00:03:53.280so it's on Amazon Prime and it's made by the creators of Gilmore Girls which is so cool and
00:03:58.520you can kind of see the quick wit from both tv shows flowing together but it's such a good show
00:04:03.700I'm so excited for the new season to come out is there a season four oh I don't know I'm just
00:04:08.740hoping I'm hoping fingers crossed oh no yeah it's one of those shows that actually makes you laugh
00:04:14.760out loud and yeah it's really really good writing really funny um script and the sets are incredible
00:04:23.660so for this week jazz and I are switching things up a little bit and we're just going to be
00:04:29.100chatting about more newsworthy events that happened in the Australian media this week and
00:04:33.380I guess internationally as well instead of focusing just on one topic and to kick start us
00:04:39.620off, Jaz, do you want to talk about the new diversity report that was released?
00:04:44.220Yeah, so we didn't really need a study to find this out but this week a report by the Media
00:04:50.680Diversity Australia found that presenters, commentators and reporters on Australian TV
00:04:56.500are overwhelmingly from an Anglo-Celtic background. So almost 76% of those on our screens were of
00:05:04.060Anglo-Celtic heritage. The other 18% were those with European heritage but not Anglo-Celtic
00:05:10.200and then only 6% were from Indigenous or non-white backgrounds. So it's something I think that a lot0.99
00:05:18.360of people recognise but it's big news that it's finally in concrete stats and has been released
00:05:26.420this week yeah hearing six percent of people aren't white it's actually horrifying to me
00:05:34.060like I was actually more optimistic I would have guessed perhaps like 15 percent at least0.65
00:05:40.120what about you how did you feel yeah I wasn't surprised at all um and that's across it's not
00:05:47.960just like the reporters you see on tv it's also about um the people on the boards and the people
00:05:53.840in the newsroom who are doing the producing who are like telling the stories so yeah I don't think
00:05:59.540it's that surprising but what was surprising to me was that 100% of news directors across all
00:06:07.560channels are white Anglo-Celtic men that's I don't I was like okay maybe 98% like maybe there's three
00:06:14.980women in Sydney somewhere in a boardroom who have some control over the news but no it's 100% white0.65
00:06:21.000men running the current affairs and news programs that we watch on television so very concerning
00:06:28.680the report also found that the ABC and the SBS had cultural diversity measures but commercial
00:06:36.000stations like channel 10 or channel 9 did not which is also reflective of the tv that you see
00:06:42.120so hearing that about the males in high upper positions reminds me of the tv show
00:06:49.480morning wars and the tv and the and the movie sorry bombshell so obviously they're both focused
00:06:56.600on sexual assault and toxic workplace but they still kind of show the behind the scenes of
00:07:02.040newsrooms and it's kind of weird to see that that that's reflected in our day-to-day
00:07:08.500like australian media industry i mean like it's just not surprising that
00:07:13.840this the stats are reflected this way but it's good that it is now out and open and something
00:07:20.720that was really interesting was karl stefanovic's response so did you hear what he said no i didn't
00:07:27.160either tell me so obviously channel 9 was rated one of the worst uh in for diversity and he is
00:07:34.640on the morning show at channel 9 and his response in a tweet was to say that he has a yugoslavian
00:07:42.340background and you know his last name is Stefanovic and he was asking isn't that diverse enough
00:07:48.300and he said I was called a wog in school and it's like okay no one is arguing that you weren't called
00:07:56.240a wog in school but this you're still a white man like you still are a white Australian man
00:08:00.700that's not diversity and it's not the diversity that this report is talking about so that was0.86
00:08:06.580not again not surprising yeah well I think that's so interesting because especially he's such a big
00:08:12.600player in the Australian industry it's so disappointing that he would say something like
00:08:16.780that and I don't know I'm so naive and so optimistic because I was like hey we just had
00:08:21.980MasterChef there are heaps of you know diverse people on the show or my family watch ABC News
00:08:29.140most nights and there's at least one like reporter that's not white as well and I'm like surely this
00:08:35.820is becoming more common actually saying that though when I'm watching the news and a non-white0.96
00:08:40.680reporter comes on I'm like oh my god they're not white and it'll be very obvious which it shouldn't0.88
00:08:46.560be it should be more normalized I mean but at least I don't know I guess I'm seeing a little0.97
00:08:52.740bit of it but reflecting back it's not enough yeah it's a very slow change as well and it's
00:08:58.960also bad that the commercial stations are so white um imagine if ABC and SBS weren't in this report0.57
00:09:06.860it would be like way way worse but I was just I was wondering your perspective as well like
00:09:12.540growing up wanting to be a journalist or an editor and being of Chinese heritage how did0.60
00:09:18.120you ever notice that Australian television and media was so white yes and growing up I didn't1.00
00:09:24.920want to become a journalist or anything in the media industry and I genuinely think that's because0.94
00:09:30.340I never saw myself reflected there so it was literally never a possibility um weird to consider
00:09:37.000now this is one of the first times I'm really reflecting on that but I think you're so right
00:09:41.240yeah that's something for me that I've never that's my white privilege I've never had to
00:09:46.580think about that I've always been told that I can do anything that I want if I put my mind to it
00:09:51.660And also I've seen white women in positions of power and especially being on TV, like looking up to Samantha Armitage or Melissa on Channel 7 on Sunrise.
00:10:05.240I wouldn't say they were my heroes or anything, but they were women in these positions talking about the news and reporting.
00:10:29.840Also, Deborah Williams, who is the CEO of the Creative Diversity Network in the UK, actually
00:10:36.480told ABC Radio last year that diversity on Australian screens was where the UK was like
00:10:43.26020 years ago which is oh that's early 2000s so we're just talking about the OC
00:10:49.100last episode and how backwards you know their values were then and apparently that's how
00:10:57.920Australian media is I mean obviously it's not the same I don't know why I brought OC into the
00:11:01.880conversation any chance to but still just thinking back into the early 2000s and how many things have
00:11:09.260changed since then it's really disappointing that australia is portrayed as something so backwards
00:11:14.180which i think yeah it's it's rightfully rightfully said by deborah i agree it's pretty embarrassing
00:11:21.660that we are so far behind and how slow we've been on like the uptake of diversity and how it's like
00:11:28.880a debate why is this a debate like kyle stefanovic coming back and saying like oh i'm diverse because
00:11:34.340i have like european heritage like no this isn't the same thing we're talking about you know black
00:11:40.260people indigenous people people who have lived here for generations second generation immigrants
00:11:46.100like that is actually what australia is australia markets itself as like a multicultural melting pot
00:11:53.600of people but then when you look at the media or people of power or influence it's just
00:12:00.520overwhelmingly white and that's not what society is and that's dangerous because then stories only
00:12:08.840get told from this one perspective. I 100% agree with you there and I feel like one way that news1.00
00:12:15.260organizations and media outlets try to combat this very whitewashed voice of Australian media
00:12:22.980is inviting panelists and guests on their platform which I do think is really great you know you're
00:12:28.380platforming otherwise marginalized voices or passing and sharing the mic along with others.
00:12:34.820I think that's really good, but something that happened in the media this week made me question
00:12:38.900that. And so we're going to be talking about a musician and his name is Ziggy, but we are not
00:12:45.220talking about Ziggy Alberts, the anti-vaxxer. We're going to be talking about indigenous musician
00:12:52.240Ziggy Ramu, and I love his music. I've been listening to his music for a while and he's great
00:12:57.720and he appeared on ABC's Q&A to talk about, well, not on purpose, but they ended up talking about
00:13:05.340censorship and performative activism. So Ziggy was invited onto Q&A to talk about diversity,
00:13:13.440but it ended up becoming this conversation about censorship because he wanted to play a song
00:13:18.420called April 25th, which is about, obviously that's Anzac Day, and he mentions hating the Anzacs,
00:13:24.540but it ended up being a really good conversation about our history so we're going to play a little
00:13:31.000clip here so is it performative because me sitting on this panel ticks off a box for the ABC that is
00:13:38.220cultural diversity but if I'm not able to express my perspective is it performative or is it actual
00:13:45.600culture diversity because as Barnaby said it's important that we have freedom of speech and
00:13:50.920freedom of expression. So if we have seats at the table but then we are not able to express our
00:13:57.220lived experience, are we actually having cultural diversity or is it performative? So the whole
00:14:01.540point of a song about April 25th and as soon as I say, after I say I hate the Anzacs, I say how1.00
00:14:07.980wrong is that? How wrong is that? We pick and choose our history, we rearrange the facts. We1.00
00:14:13.140fought for a country that didn't see us as humans. We weren't seen as humans in our own country. So
00:14:19.520the reason why I wanted to talk about this and in my art is that I want to celebrate the Anzacs and
00:14:26.960I do celebrate the Anzacs. I've gone to the other side of the world on Anzac Day to celebrate what
00:14:32.760our people have laid down for us. So if we've done that, we can't just pick parts of our history that
00:14:40.500we want to recognise and bury the others. If in World War II we fought against genocide, yet we
00:14:46.640don't recognise the genocide in our own country. That's a double standard. So the whole reason
00:14:51.800why the song says, I hate the Anzacs, is to demonstrate that how outrageous is that?0.99
00:15:00.080I think Australia definitely is guilty of picking and choosing which parts of history to remember0.99
00:15:06.320and commemorate. And I believe that's why we have such an issue with changing the day and why it's
00:15:11.680taken so many years and it's still going on with like no result of changing the day of Australia
00:15:17.400day um because in school we're not really taught the significance like the massive impact of the
00:15:24.880genocide it's not called that it's called like settlement and like when the British came to
00:15:31.060um Australia but the fact that thousands of languages have been lost and cultures lost
00:15:37.520families taken away etc and then and then we don't really have a day that respects it the
00:15:45.560same way that we do Anzac Day or Remembrance Day exactly and I feel like there's something to be
00:15:51.400said about the tokenistic tick box approach that lots of people go through right and I think
00:15:56.820especially with Ziggy he's very palatable slash you know lots of comments were like wow he's so0.54
00:16:02.780eloquent and you know he's very well spoken and I remember when at the height of Black Lives Matter
00:16:08.860I was following I am following this Indigenous artist her name is Rachel Sarah or Sarah
00:16:16.140on Instagram and she's very outspoken about social issues but she also has really beautiful like
00:16:22.660quite contemporary artworks that she posts online it's really gorgeous her feet is like very pink
00:16:28.060etc and one thing she did mention is that during this time you know a lot of focus is on her and
00:16:33.520other Indigenous advocates or activists online that are quite palatable or easy to connect with
00:16:42.040for a white or non-Indigenous audience and I feel like that's interesting too I don't know if that
00:16:47.860connects too much but that's what I was thinking. No it does I think Ziggy brought that up as well
00:16:52.700like good on him for being invited onto this panel and having this platform and then calling that
00:16:58.060panel out and like specifically that it's ABC as well I think that's really significant if it was
00:17:03.700like on channel nine or something on channel seven I don't even know if he'd be invited on anyway
00:17:08.520but um the fact that it was on the national broadcaster and he was being like is this
00:17:14.700performative or is this genuine cultural diversity that we're talking about here
00:17:19.160so yeah it was very interesting to watch it reminds me of the quote um diversity is being
00:17:25.920invited to the party inclusion is being asked to dance and I think that's quite impactful I know a
00:17:32.540few people have a few disagreements with it but I think overall as just like a broad statement I
00:17:39.280think it's pretty accurate I think you know it's very easy to let's say invite someone to a party
00:17:44.300or send out an invite but to make someone feel really included and make them feel welcome I think
00:17:49.680that's a whole other step and I think I'm so happy that he touched on it
00:17:53.800when we first started coach club i never thought that sport or afl would be a topic that we chat
00:18:07.500about um but there has been some really interesting and important news this week in the afl and that
00:18:14.060is the support of the free the flag movement in case you didn't know the aboriginal flag is the
00:18:21.520only national flag that is privately owned, copyrighted, and licensed. It is owned by a
00:18:27.420company called Wham Clothing, and the license was given to them by Indigenous artist Harold Thomas.
00:18:34.600So Wham Clothing has sent multiple companies cease and desist notices for using the Aboriginal flag
00:18:41.660on clothing, pins, whatever, and a campaign by fashion label Clothing the Gap, which started
00:18:50.740about a year ago but it's really picked up movement this week with 16 out of 18 footy clubs
00:18:56.220joining the free the flag campaign this week. The flag has only been recognized as the flag of
00:19:02.160national significance by the Australian government since 1995. Were you aware of that? No not at all
00:19:09.300it's ridiculously recent. And it's crazy that it's actually copyrighted like if the Australian
00:19:16.800government wanted to buy it back, then it would cost approximately $25 million to this clothing
00:19:22.640company, which is just so wrong. Back in June, I actually got to interview two of the women behind0.84
00:19:27.340the Free the Flag movement, Sienna Katsolo and Laura Thompson. They work at the non-profit fashion
00:19:33.060line Clothing the Gap. And Clothing the Gap is a social enterprise and they have put 100% of their
00:19:40.300profits towards Aboriginal health promotion and education in Victoria. What was really interesting
00:19:45.300when i was speaking to sienna for an article a fashion journal article titled how fashion can
00:19:50.000be a tool for indigenous activism and sienna actually described it as a contemporary form
00:19:54.700of colonialism which makes sense because this is indigenous culture in this flag was part of it
00:20:01.560and you know it's owned by a non-indigenous company they're making money and every time0.59
00:20:06.560that clothing the gap wants to use the aboriginal flag on their shirts or their beanies they get
00:20:11.700and a cease and desist letter so it's a really important movement and it's really great that the
00:20:17.820AFL is kind of bringing it more into the mainstream as well and like it's right there on your tv if
00:20:23.780you watch the footy and you know so many of those guys are really high profile so it's really
00:20:27.720important. Yeah it was I mean for someone who's not really interested in footy I still understand
00:20:34.200that footy is such a big part of Australian culture and you're right these footy players
00:20:39.960are role models to so many around Australia and perhaps, you know, we're in quite progressive
00:20:44.580circles. So, you know, we see things about, I guess, like Indigenous rights, but those who aren't
00:20:50.420in the same like left-wing bubbles that we are might not. So I think this is a great way to push
00:20:55.000this message into the mainstream media. It kind of piques people's interest, right? Lots of
00:21:01.440the footy players were wearing the t-shirts that just say, free the flag. And, you know, that's
00:21:05.780quite intriguing in itself so it was a really cool movement to see so another thing was it was
00:21:13.080the was it the Sir Douglas round of footy a couple days ago is that what it's called I don't know
00:21:18.840I know right why are we talking about footy so we're recording on Sunday and yesterday was the
00:21:27.500Sir Doug Nicholas annual AFL round which seeks to recognize and celebrate indigenous players and
00:21:34.300culture so usually the AFL does buy rights to use the flag but this year they decided not to
00:21:42.540and what was interesting is that most of the media and people in the AFL actually encourage
00:21:49.300AFL goers or people you know the audience I really don't know the words for AFL0.82
00:21:54.820the audience members to like don the Aboriginal flag because you know they can't not everyone can
00:22:01.920be fine i think that's also showing how fashion can be used as a protest as well yes that is
00:22:08.820i'm like yes let's talk about fashion not afl um that's so true it's so true fashion has so
00:22:17.080much meaning behind it and i think it can definitely use for be used for collective
00:22:21.200resistance or collective activism i guess and clothing the gap also has a really great blog
00:22:26.540post on their website um where they talk about if it's appropriate or not for non-indigenous
00:22:30.860people to wear Indigenous designs and I think it's up to the individual but obviously the
00:22:38.160Indigenous population only makes up a certain percentage of our Australian population so they
00:22:44.240said to me from a business perspective it doesn't make sense to only have Indigenous people wearing
00:22:48.960Indigenous designs but it was it's also a form of allyship especially this free the flag movement to
00:22:55.720wear their jumpers or t-shirts because you're also signaling to other people that this is an
00:23:01.440important issue that needs to be spoken about and it needs to be resolved yeah I feel like the
00:23:06.280government shouldn't even need to buy it back because the like the idea of that company receiving
00:23:11.92025 million dollars for doing this is ridiculous I think there was a quote I'm not going to get it
00:23:16.860but someone was like they're just lacking common sense or common decency right I just don't0.81
00:23:22.840understand why this is a thing I mean this is so again optimistic and I guess idealistic of me
00:23:28.580but I'm just like can't I just give it back to the rightful owners it's ridiculous imagine if
00:23:32.820this was happening with the Australian flag it just doesn't make sense exactly and I think in
00:23:37.880my opinion I think if it was the Australian flag it wouldn't even be up for debate it would just
00:23:42.060be like yeah let's just like chuck the money at it and like get it back but like imagine what
00:23:46.680instead of the government paying that 25 million towards this one clothing company imagine what
00:23:51.060they did if they invested that 25 million dollars into Indigenous health or programs or education
00:23:56.760anything 25 million is so much money that could be used for so many better things rather than just
00:24:02.600getting the rights back for a flag that the Indigenous people should have free rights over
00:24:07.820anyway. I'm hoping that this publicity definitely amplifies the movement and hopefully applies
00:24:13.560public pressure onto WAM to do the right thing.
00:24:21.060in other news did you hear about that movie that's about to be released on netflix which
00:24:28.220is causing a lot of controversy um it's called cuties i only heard about it yesterday i think
00:24:35.000and i kind of had a quick google of what's going on it's pretty crazy
00:24:38.340so for those who hadn't heard about it there's been global outrage about this film that
00:24:44.920supposedly sexualizes 11 year old girls and encourages pedophilia due to its Netflix poster
00:24:52.020which let's be honest is quite inappropriate the poster itself so you know it's very like highly
00:24:58.360produced like very photoshopped you see the girls in crop tops and sexualized poses and there's been
00:25:04.620a change.org petition with over half a million signatures already and it's calling for Netflix
00:25:11.100not to release a movie because it supposedly promotes child pornography the poster is it just
00:25:17.640seems very American and it's a French film so when you compare the two posters they're so different
00:25:24.200like the American Netflix one reminds me of cheer the cheerleading movie yeah sorry it's cheerleading
00:25:30.120series or something or like some beauty pageant show like they look really dolled up and it is0.94
00:25:35.700very confronting but when you see the original they just seem like young girls like they're0.63
00:25:43.000walking up the street with shopping bags and like a bra over their top like laughing and stuff
00:25:48.540um and they just look a lot more age appropriate and like they're girls who are moving into
00:25:53.960womanhood and it's more a film about like discovering your femininity um but then I can
00:26:00.940see how people would think it promotes that from that poster but the thing is it doesn't or it
00:26:07.500actually it discusses that culture right yeah and what's really interesting is that there is so much
00:26:14.140public outrage over a movie that most people haven't even seen yet and looking at the trailer
00:26:20.380for it on youtube going through the comments was just horrible because people think they're in the
00:26:24.620right they're doing the right thing by condemning this movie being like oh it's so bad let's get it
00:26:29.480to blah blah many dislikes without I think critically thinking about what it's about and
00:26:35.400what their hatred is actually doing it's directed by Maimona Decorde a black French woman and this
00:26:43.720is her debut film sorry I say film really weirdly like a film film like it's a car
00:26:51.400and the screenplay actually won the Sundance Global Filmmaking Award back in 2017 which
00:26:57.600got her the recognition and I think maybe money to create this film and the synopsis just by the
00:27:03.880way for people who don't actually know is it's a female coming of age comedy about an 11 year old
00:27:09.600Senegalese Muslim Amy who is torn between the traditional values of her background and a group
00:27:15.200of rebellious young girls in a dance group touches on becoming aware of female sexuality and
00:27:20.900femininity which is quite accurate because Maimorna got the idea for the film when she was
00:27:27.320at a neighborhood party and saw girls around 11 wearing revealing clothes and dancing in a central
00:27:32.260way so I think it's wrong of people to cancel a whole film just based on the poster and the
00:27:39.480trailer because most of the time when films are that controversial it's because they're actually
00:27:45.460analyzing the culture and saying I obviously we haven't seen it's not out yet but um it's looking
00:27:53.100out okay why are these girls this way and like looking at values and like different cultures
00:27:58.920and religions and things like that and it's having that conversation. When I watched the trailer I was1.00
00:28:04.860almost underwhelmed like I was like oh is this all the controversy is about because I think it
00:28:11.000is quite an accurate portrayal of young femalehood and growing up and kind of you know being between
00:28:18.900a young girl and being a woman and seeing how you fit in society and I think especially I don't want0.98
00:28:24.000to be one of those old people that's like and because of social media and everything like kids
00:28:29.060are growing up faster and I think people are kind of stuck between two places like growing up you
00:28:33.600just don't know who you are and you're trying to figure out your identity and I think these
00:28:36.780are conversations that need to be had and people kind of trying to silence these conversations
00:28:43.180about female sexuality just does more harm than good because if we're not talking about it well
00:28:48.340it's all happening 100% agree with you like and also it's probably an adult film like it's probably0.72
00:28:54.780rated for adults so you're not gonna like let your 11 year old daughter watch it it's for adults to
00:29:01.180look at something and critically analyze or like go through that experience with them but I think
00:29:08.160the poster should be changed 100% don't agree I think it's just Americanized and it is very
00:29:13.020confronting but yeah the original is it just seems like a lot of cancel culture to me
00:29:19.360and speaking about the poster this writer called Kaz Armstrong wrote a great article for a league
00:29:26.920of their own and I'm just going to quote it a bit when Netflix's marketing put out a sexually
00:29:32.320provocative poster they are deliberately leveraging the most controversial aspect of
00:29:37.080the film in an inappropriate way they're doing exactly what the film itself puts under the
00:29:42.540microscope sexually exploiting girls without the mature discussion required it's clickbait
00:29:47.780well we're talking about it on this podcast so it is getting attention um it's made me aware of it
00:29:56.440and it's actually made me want to watch it more however it could be damaging in other way in that
00:30:02.580it is clickbait and it's made people talk about it in a negative way and be like oh have you heard
00:30:06.920this like and switch off and also drag this new director's name through the mud as well.
00:30:14.300Casper Salmon for The Guardian summed up really well with this quote saying,
00:30:18.360cuties will be released with new artwork, perhaps even with something of a publicity boost.
00:30:23.320Either way, this episode shows the damaging impact that the manipulation of words and imagery can
00:30:28.280have on the internet. As culture makes the journey online, it stands to suffer just as much as
00:30:33.960politics if people are not able to read pictures seek information and recognize disingenuous
00:30:39.820arguments I think that's the whole issue with our culture and the internet in general at the moment
00:30:44.780anyway is you're so quick everyone is so quick to judge something to form an opinion based off
00:30:51.920having one percent of the information you know and that's what was dangerous about it yeah I think we
00:30:57.940need to be less gleeful about I guess horrible things that might be going on in the internet
00:31:02.980or just take a step back and evaluate what we think I think it's we need to normalize being
00:31:09.600like oh I actually don't know much about this topic so I'm just gonna shut up and I think I'm
00:31:15.260definitely learning that too and I think it's so fine we're not supposed to be experts on everything
00:31:19.700so that's what other people are so why don't we do more listening
00:31:24.220so max our recommendations for this week we both have podcast episodes what a surprise but what is
00:31:35.400yours i know shaka right um but this one is different i was actually going to recommend
00:31:42.400another like survival story podcast but i was like let's give the people a break
00:31:46.820so I'm recommending the very much hyped call her daddy podcast episode with Miley Cyrus
00:31:54.920so call her daddy is such a massive podcast like franchise and earlier this year they were in the
00:32:01.080new cycle because the two co-hosts had a massive falling out all that jazz and before that I'd
00:32:07.600only listened to one or two episodes and I wasn't the biggest fan but I think you know I might be
00:32:13.200able to get into them if I listen more but it just I don't know I didn't really gel well with it but
00:32:18.720anyway this episode I watched their YouTube recording of it which was good because you get
00:32:24.740to see Miley Cyrus in her home which is kind of cool and this is the description or a bit of the
00:32:30.320description that they said about it heartbreak trauma therapy guilt girl on girl being put on
00:32:37.600the no-fly list for smuggling drugs her relationship with Hannah Montana the first person she lost her
00:32:43.020male virginity to her love languages what she is looking for in a relationship her personal sex
00:32:48.800advice and more so as you can tell it's a very long and juicy I guess episode it's almost an
00:32:55.680hour long and I found it really entertaining to listen to but also a little bit cringy
00:33:01.640should I like include you in the conversation did you listen to it or like hear about it
00:33:06.240um I have not heard it I've heard I remember the controversy around call her daddy but I
00:33:12.680didn't um listen to this but I would like to because I was a huge Hannah Montana fan and I
00:33:18.540just love Miley in general so oh awesome I'm not the biggest Miley fan it's not that I dislike her
00:33:24.720it's just like she's neutral to me like I just she's never been on my radar that much so I think
00:33:29.260this was really interesting just from like I guess a neutral person's perspective but I did find it
00:33:34.740a little bit cringy like I mentioned before but a comment on YouTube kind of summed it up well
00:33:39.140uh the host of call her daddy name is alex um the comment read it was like alex was ready to
00:33:45.520interview 2013 foam finger twerking miley but she got 2020 grown queen miley it just felt like
00:33:52.840even though the ages are very similar i think it's two years difference miley's only 27
00:33:57.600which is so wild to me um there was a real big gap in maturity and i understand call her daddy is
00:34:05.660quite like a sex driven podcast and i love listening to things like that i'm very much
00:34:09.780open to that it just felt a little bit forced at times um let's listen to an excerpt from it
00:34:16.580even being on your show like i'm not someone that'll sit here and be like i just sit around
00:34:20.960like watching porn and i'm so sexual and i'm like i'm like i know what i'm talking to i know what
00:34:24.440the show is but that's not me like yeah it my art and like me taking care of my dogs and me taking0.98
00:34:29.580care of my business like that's my fucking priority and like i'm not gonna act like i'm0.83
00:34:33.360something that i'm not or i'm more sexual than i am because that's always just like that's like0.97
00:34:37.440for your entertainment and not for me and for me like i'm much more into building my business right
00:34:43.920now that's so empowering just also like be considered a boss yeah for putting their0.97
00:34:48.320business first and then like it's so fucked up yeah that's really interesting that the difference0.94
00:34:54.960in maturity levels and what they wanted to chat to her about versus what she was wanting to chat0.96
00:35:01.480about um but I think she gives a lot of herself to the media in general and like social media so
00:35:07.480yeah I think good for her exactly though it was quite interesting so in the podcast you know0.68
00:35:14.580um Alex is really growing her being like oh like how how often do you masturbate like kind of
00:35:19.820things like that and Miley's just like I'm too busy she's like I'm thinking about busy0.99
00:35:24.160business deals I don't I don't have time to like lick my clit she's literally like that0.98
00:35:29.200So she doesn't really play into that over-sexualized stereotype or, you know, entertainment as she calls it herself, which I just think that's great.0.99