Culture Club - Dating Rumours, Delayed Gratification & Working With Your Best Friends With The Beaches

00:00:00.000 genuinely best friends and we have been and obviously there's times where it's a little

00:00:04.980 tough and it gets yeah you gotta focus on the business and yeah those conversations are like

00:00:09.660 difficult to have but like communication is like the best tool everybody knows that we're all

00:00:14.540 individually in therapy so I think like we have those tools to kind of get past like the rough

00:00:19.820 uncomfortable moments I'm Jasmine and I'm Maggie and you're listening to Culture Club Chats this

00:00:24.680 is our interview episode where we sit down with a guest or two to chat all things life culture and

00:00:29.840 creativity. Today we're recording on the lands of the Wurundjeri Wurrung people of the Kulin

00:00:34.280 Nations. We would like to pay our respects to Elders past and present and extend this to any

00:00:38.800 Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander listeners today. Today's guests are Leandra Earle and Kylie

00:00:48.140 Miller from Canadian rock band The Beaches. The four-piece band also features Eliza Enman McDaniel

00:00:54.500 and Kylie's sister Jordan Miller. They formed back in 2009 and have released three albums

00:00:59.940 Late Show, Blame My Ex and No Hard Feelings. Their single Blame Brett launched them into

00:01:05.000 global fame with performances at Coachella and Tiny Desk now under their belt. The band

00:01:10.080 is currently touring Australia alongside G Flip. Welcome Kylie and Leandra. We're so

00:01:15.900 happy to have you both in the studio today. Thank you for having us. Thanks for having

00:01:19.280 us. We're so excited. Yay. And you're back in Australia. How has it been?

00:01:23.860 We love it here. It's so good to be back.

00:01:26.180 Yeah, we've had a lot of time off.

00:01:28.620 So we've been going to the beaches, walking around.

00:01:33.120 Yeah, it just feels like Canada here.

00:01:34.760 So you feel at home.

00:01:36.240 That's so nice.

00:01:37.580 Yeah, a lot warmer.

00:01:38.280 Better weather.

00:01:39.040 Yeah.

00:01:39.760 I saw you guys were in Brizzy, hanging out by the pool at the, yeah, down by the river there.

00:01:45.340 So nice.

00:01:46.020 Do you like Brizzy?

00:01:47.120 We like Brizzy too.

00:01:48.260 I mean, I think Melbourne is our favorite city in Australia.

00:01:52.240 Are you just saying it?

00:01:52.960 No, Melbourne.

00:01:53.860 Unreal. It feels the most kind of like New York, Toronto, Montreal.

00:01:59.800 Like we're all from the East Coast of Canada.

00:02:01.680 And I feel like the rest of Australia kind of feels more like the West Coast, like very chill.

00:02:06.780 But this is like a city kind of vibe.

00:02:08.840 And like there's a lot of cool things happening here, like amazing coffee shops, like little boutiques.

00:02:14.640 It's the shopping is outstanding.

00:02:17.020 So it is kind of like our favorite place to come and hang out when we have the time to.

00:02:21.220 So good.

00:02:22.160 Leandra saw the video of you being freaked out by the spider

00:02:25.640 Oh my god

00:02:26.760 Everybody was freaked out, it's just I was extra freaked out

00:02:29.300 I don't know why everyone wasn't freaking like that

00:02:31.680 That was our worst nightmare

00:02:33.600 Like the last time we came here

00:02:35.220 We didn't see anything

00:02:36.600 And I was convinced we weren't going to

00:02:38.980 I've never seen a huntsman in the flesh

00:02:41.400 And there were two in the car

00:02:43.340 Oh two, that's super unlucky

00:02:45.840 When the one dropped to the floor

00:02:47.640 Another one emerged on your suitcase

00:02:49.900 So I was ready to cry

00:02:51.940 I was ready to roll out of the van but seriously yeah fair enough I feel like even as Australians

00:02:56.800 that we'd still be like freaked out by seeing it drop from the ceiling no it's true and you're

00:03:00.660 performing in some like more regional parts like you're going to a Fremantle in Western Australia

00:03:05.240 soon as well yes I've heard um oh no no sorry I knew it oh well I don't know how grossed out

00:03:12.960 or freaked out you'll be but sometimes when you're more rural you have to check under the toilet seat

00:03:17.440 for toes and snakes and snakes all snakes in the toilet less so but like frogs i feel like

00:03:22.940 oh that's fine see do you feel okay with that yeah they can be in the toilet with me i don't

00:03:27.340 care not that i'm in the toilet but i'm really not okay with that yeah i will say i've never

00:03:31.720 seen that hand on heart myself personally so i feel like you guys will be fine i thought spiders

00:03:35.800 like to hang out under the toilet seat yeah okay yeah i just assume that all of them are fine and

00:03:41.440 not poisonous i could be wrong but that's the mindset i don't even care like if i die or not

00:03:46.280 whatever it's just I don't want to like they're so scary I don't want to see it I don't want to

00:03:49.040 see it by me it's fine if it was on me I'm dead no matter what poisonous or not yeah yeah you just

00:03:54.300 have to I think that's the mindset as well with Maggie you've just got to like assume that thing

00:03:58.540 well at least in Melbourne Sydney the east coast you're safer but speaking of like Australiana

00:04:03.840 things we're going to do a little warm-up game you've actually already answered one of our

00:04:07.700 questions which was Sydney or Melbourne so there you go yeah that's done um but we'll do yeah a

00:04:13.200 little this or that so first up we have kangaroos or koalas koalas that was quick kangaroos i love

00:04:21.540 that that's very um diplomatic one of each they're both great they're so fluffy i just really like to

00:04:27.240 scratch kangaroos um like long head oh you've gotten up close and personal well the ones at

00:04:32.820 the koala sanctuary yeah they're really chill they're sleeping we don't know if they've been

00:04:38.160 drunked or not we can't tell you can't tell yeah especially koalas they feel like there's another

00:04:43.740 creature in them i feel like they're wearing a suit of some type i don't know i have a conspiracy

00:04:47.600 theory there's something going on with them they also let out like a really strange noise like

00:04:51.720 koalas yeah yeah they can be scary crazy noises don't they they're freaks inside i think i love

00:04:57.940 it beach or city see i like both but we love we do love the beach yeah but the beach is like 0.67

00:05:07.380 sprinkled in it's like city every day we love walking around and getting coffees and shopping

00:05:11.960 yeah i guess we're gonna have to go city i'll go city yeah uh flat white or latte

00:05:17.040 i'm a flat white girl what's the difference i'm always a cappuccino girl so well they were the

00:05:24.260 same thing it's like a different ratio of milk and the flat white has less foam

00:05:28.340 i'm gonna go flat white yeah that's what you're known for here right that's true with cappuccinos

00:05:34.720 Back in Canada, do you guys have the chocolate sprinkles on top?

00:05:37.280 No.

00:05:37.960 That's what I love about it here.

00:05:39.500 It's the best.

00:05:40.140 I didn't realize that was an Australian thing.

00:05:41.580 I know. 1.00

00:05:41.700 When I was in Europe, I was like, this is diabolical.

00:05:43.700 Yeah, they do it in Europe too.

00:05:45.220 Some places.

00:05:45.820 Some do, some don't.

00:05:47.320 They do it in Italy.

00:05:48.600 When we were there, they put some cocoa powder on.

00:05:51.040 Yeah.

00:05:51.460 That's good stuff.

00:05:52.540 But like some of the specialty coffee stores in Melbourne don't do chocolate on top because

00:05:56.240 they're like, it ruins the like amazing roasting beans that we have here in Melbourne.

00:06:00.380 So it depends where you go.

00:06:02.520 Serious.

00:06:02.880 Yes.

00:06:03.200 yes uh last one margot robbie or nicole kidman oh margot robbie margot robbie yeah yeah you 1.00

00:06:11.380 mentioned i don't know if you want to mention the wet pussy shots oh yeah confidently yeah we uh 0.99

00:06:17.540 i've heard her talk about them in interviews and stuff so last night we went out for our crew 1.00

00:06:22.820 members birthday and i was like let's get around a wet pussy shots yeah it's just so exhilarating 0.98

00:06:27.360 to ask the bartender for that yeah and have them know what that meant i was out in sydney a few 0.98

00:06:32.960 weeks ago and for the first time they actually like made it in front of me like they poured the

00:06:37.640 cranberry juice they poured like the gin and stuff because sometimes like it's just a bottle of like

00:06:42.540 sugary liqueur that they just pour in yeah and i was like this is like boutique where that was in

00:06:48.080 sydney yeah what is it exactly it's like a yeah sugary cranberry juice and gin i think and another

00:06:55.540 type of liqueur like a schnapps or something oh i'm pretty sure or something yeah i couldn't

00:07:00.340 really tell what the flavor was yesterday well we also had nip slips which i'd never what's a nip

00:07:05.120 slip maybe it's just here but it was bailey's yeah it was a raspberry cordial cordial cordial

00:07:12.900 i don't know how you pronounce it here it was like a pink like red pink shot with like bailey's on top

00:07:18.200 i didn't like that one i liked it i like one time like got so sick in high school from drinking

00:07:23.260 bailey's so now bailey's kind of room for me yeah i actually feel like you two are more australian

00:07:28.160 than us just because of that I mean we did try we tried Vegemite the other day I'm gonna say I

00:07:34.240 don't understand that guys that's not oh that's tough I mean I didn't like it Eliza had it just

00:07:39.060 kind of spread lightly on a piece of bread which was like fine but then uh G's guitar player gave

00:07:45.940 me a spoonful yeah yeah yeah so I just bit into that and that was really tough but as a um health

00:07:52.940 thing it's actually really good for ulcers and like cold so you like get a spoon you leave it

00:07:57.340 on your like mouth and like it helps it's medicinal because it's so salty yeah really yeah my partner

00:08:03.200 he's from the UK and he had an ulcer once and I showed him that trick he like didn't believe me

00:08:07.500 he's like you're joking and I was like no seriously like a spoon of Vegemite and it burns

00:08:11.560 but kind of in a good way in a good way yeah and then it goes away so there you go if you get an

00:08:16.440 ulcer when you're on tour then that's a hack an Australian hack for you okay thank you we'll go

00:08:21.640 to the doctors like medical psa yeah but you both are in uh the middle of massive touring year you

00:08:29.520 were mentioning before that you've been like in hotels for like two months so how are you both

00:08:32.800 feeling i mean pretty good i'm definitely feeling a little bit like homesick at the moment i was

00:08:38.420 feeling that this morning for the first time yeah i think because i'm so hungover yeah i was like

00:08:42.620 not my mom my mom actually is here on tour with us um in australia which has been really fun

00:08:48.880 but yeah it's just it is tough being away for like so long and not really having like

00:08:54.180 quite a solid routine and we've had so much downtime which has been so much fun but

00:08:59.080 it's like sometimes a little bit easier when it's like okay show show day off day off like

00:09:04.360 yeah it's hard to kind of find a rhythm um but it's also been so exciting and we're getting to

00:09:11.040 go to places like this that are so fun and we're so far away from home and it's really exciting and

00:09:17.220 we're happy to be doing it it's just like i think after like a month and a half which is

00:09:21.800 what we're at right now it's like okay it's a little bit tough and then we're going to japan

00:09:26.340 after you go to japan on tour or like for fun best friend trip best friend trip for fun

00:09:31.820 yeah it's so exciting have you been before no bucket list it's gonna be so good

00:09:37.380 australians are obsessed with japan so again you're feeding into the australian

00:09:40.500 it's gonna be so good you're gonna eat the best food and yeah have good downtime i'm so excited

00:09:45.760 for the food but i also like i think it's gonna we've never been to asia so i think it's gonna be

00:09:51.080 quite intense culture shock like i i totally forgot that all the street signs and all the

00:09:55.960 signs for everything like we're we're gonna need to get like apps to like translate it

00:09:59.960 it's okay we we've got this is it just the two of you going yeah best friend trip it will be the

00:10:06.980 blind leading the blind absolutely and like i just yeah i don't think they're gonna like how

00:10:12.040 loud I am and like apparently there's no garbage cans anywhere you have to carry your rubbish 0.56

00:10:16.580 everywhere so I'm just gonna be like garbage loud garbage lady like sipping water like you'll be 1.00

00:10:22.520 like rustling as you walk down the street yeah like there goes that lesbian loud ass lesbian 1.00

00:10:28.680 perfect you're here touring with jflip and you released a song together this week called let's 0.99

00:10:36.200 go how did you become friends and musical collaborators with jflip yeah we were trying

00:10:40.960 remember the other day because g's like when did we meet because now we're like besties i think it's

00:10:45.420 like two years ago on tour we were just like mutual fans of each other on instagram and with

00:10:51.520 dm and we ended up in nashville at the same time and we couldn't make it to each other's shows

00:10:56.120 because we were on at the same time so we got brunch um you i wasn't there you were not there

00:11:01.860 you were your boyfriend at the time ex-boyfriend yeah regret uh but it was a great brunch and then

00:11:07.960 And we just became so close and we would end up in the same city randomly at the same time, like Berlin, London, London, New York.

00:11:16.760 So we just like go.

00:11:17.740 We're always like we're always in the same place and we're always raging together.

00:11:21.200 Let's go for a cheeky beer.

00:11:22.520 Yeah.

00:11:22.980 And then we started talking about like writing together and we went to L.A. and we were like, well, if it works out great, if not, like we have a great hang with a great friend.

00:11:32.520 It's going to be a good day.

00:11:33.780 And then we wrote Last Girls at the Party together.

00:11:35.980 And it was one of my favorite songs.

00:11:37.960 Yeah, it's so fun.

00:11:38.660 Yeah.

00:11:39.000 G's such a perfect collaborator.

00:11:41.120 They totally get what we're doing.

00:11:43.040 Absolutely.

00:11:43.700 And then they came up to Toronto this January,

00:11:47.000 and we had, like, a week of just kind of writing songs.

00:11:50.020 And it was amazing because it was a huge snowstorm.

00:11:53.040 The biggest Toronto's ever seen.

00:11:54.900 Pretty much ever.

00:11:55.740 And G has never seen snow.

00:11:57.920 Yeah.

00:11:58.280 So it was like, okay, you're going to be hit with the craziest snow ever seen.

00:12:03.540 And they just, like, romped around and, like, put on a bunch of, like,

00:12:06.540 sweaters and stuff and like fell into the snow and we made snow angels literally disappeared

00:12:11.340 into it um they put a lot uh they put snow in a bowl and took it inside so it would melt yeah

00:12:18.240 so it melted every time uh i believe they tried the taste of the snow which you're not supposed

00:12:25.680 to do well it's just like the pollutions in there yeah uh they wanted to get hit with a snowball so

00:12:30.940 kylie threw a snowball at them this is so sweet yeah and then we wrote music in between yeah this

00:12:35.600 great like a whole month christmas movie yeah absolutely how did the song come about though

00:12:41.640 whose idea was let's go yeah let's go well we figured because we were going on tour it would

00:12:46.260 be kind of fun to release something special together for this tour and to kind of like

00:12:51.300 help promote it and jean just sent over that song to us and we really liked it immediately and so

00:12:57.560 when jordan and leander were in in la they got in the studio and like wrote the second verse and

00:13:02.560 it ended up being like super fun and we're so happy it's out I listened to it on my run this

00:13:07.260 morning and I was just like on repeat yes well apparently Chrishell said she fought for it

00:13:12.760 because it was like gonna be on an album yeah it didn't and Chrishell was always like what about

00:13:18.360 that song so that just worked out so thank you Chrishell you've been around as a band for about

00:13:25.160 17 years which is crazy to think um Kylie can you tell us a little about how the band formed

00:13:31.960 yeah um so my sister and I started playing guitar together at a really young age and

00:13:37.480 we didn't really love like learning like technical sides of music like we both don't

00:13:43.900 really know how to read music so we just decided to kind of start writing our own songs instead of

00:13:48.500 learning other people's um and we formed our band Dumb With Dolls when we were in middle school

00:13:56.080 which is what I think you're talking like that's how long ago that was and we were played on like

00:14:02.020 the Canadian version of Disney Channel because we were like 13 and 14 at the time and Leandra

00:14:07.040 actually became a fan of that band and would come to our shows so that's how we met her and then

00:14:14.340 like fate we all ended up at the same high school together and our original member ended up leaving

00:14:21.020 to pursue other things and we asked Deandra if she wanted to join it is like the fan like dream

00:14:27.920 come true this is like it reminds me how Taylor Lautner's now wife whose author name is Taylor

00:14:34.000 was a fan first yeah sometimes it happens and it just worked out and it's been super fun and we've

00:14:39.400 been just like grinding ever since basically yeah because it's coming up to like two decades since

00:14:45.120 the initial band you know with the original name was formed which is a massive feat you know I feel

00:14:50.700 like we see a lot of um like overnight success bands but it's amazing seeing people like work

00:14:57.020 so hard consistently at something as well yeah um and of course i feel like a lot of our listeners

00:15:01.900 will know you from blame brett having that single go massive what was it like seeing it blow up

00:15:07.520 especially um i guess because you were banned for so long before that happened it was honestly like

00:15:14.200 so shocking i mean we'd been trying to make something kind of go viral for a long time and

00:15:19.560 like posting different things on tiktok and leander was like really kind of trying a lot

00:15:24.860 of different things to see what would go and i think you were in florida at the time and she

00:15:29.920 posted the tiktok that went super viral i posted i posted everything is boring everything is boring

00:15:35.440 that's the first song that like from the new stuff we were writing and like the new sound for us that

00:15:40.540 kind of got some traction was like yeah okay cool and so she kept posting like kind of like clips of

00:15:46.880 the song and then she posted the one of jordan in the vocal booth doing that first take of the

00:15:51.240 verse and i don't know if you went to bed or something yeah i went to bed it was kind of

00:15:55.280 like getting some traction it was like like 50 000 i was like oh cool and then i went to bed and

00:15:59.800 woke up to like a million i was like okay guys kind of doing something here yeah it's like a

00:16:04.120 lot of nice comments where you can go viral for hate you know hate but there i really wasn't

00:16:09.920 seeing any hate so i was crazy yeah yeah just kept going from there and then different like

00:16:14.700 celebrities and stuff started like finding the song and like posting it like demi lovato yeah

00:16:19.580 that was crazy made a tiktok with it and at the time jonah hill and his ex-girlfriend like she

00:16:26.260 kind of exposed him and then she also posted the song oh we talked about that on the podcast and

00:16:32.060 that had like a big thing so it just kind of kept getting like picked up by like different people

00:16:37.020 nelly furtado also did it yeah and and then it was on like the top 50 global chart yeah on tiktok

00:16:44.000 and spotify yeah yeah it was just like we never had anything like that it was crazy to watch

00:16:49.120 then like the spotify for artists the numbers just like live going up in the charts and we

00:16:55.240 were all so excited yeah and i think like the thing about having like a moment on tiktok which

00:17:00.480 is it it's great a lot of the time people like only want to hear that song but what we notice

00:17:06.300 is that the people who discovered us actually became fans and started listening to all of our

00:17:11.500 older music too so it was like really nice that this viral moment like helped bring us up into

00:17:17.080 this like different kind of like level of being in a band but it gave us so much like so many more

00:17:23.540 actual like deep fan connections yeah I think we were like ready for a moment like that because of

00:17:30.660 all the like touring and and everything we put into it for the the decade before so when fans

00:17:36.880 found us and came to shows it's like we have a solid live show because we've been doing this for

00:17:41.860 10 years so I think people were surprised by that and became actual fans like oh this is a real band

00:17:47.480 not a TikTok band totally yeah I mean I know that's how I found you guys from your little clips

00:17:52.880 just before it blew up but we have been doing the podcast for five years and we really resonate with

00:18:00.080 that feeling of like doing it when no one's listening doing it when no one's watching kind of

00:18:03.860 thing um did you ever like before this kind of huge success that you're in now did you have

00:18:12.420 those moments of being like how long are we going to do this for like or has it always been a passion

00:18:16.960 project that you've been like nope like this is just what we do this is so fun or do you have

00:18:20.140 moments of wanting to quit I think there were there were moments where it definitely was getting

00:18:24.360 like quite tough like being in the van for so long like you know going on tour and you're playing to

00:18:30.560 like five people in like tucson arizona like but at the same time those five people are always having

00:18:35.800 like such a good time and even in the moments of it being kind of like rough and you're really

00:18:39.940 grinding there's always something that's like really fun about it and the truth is the four

00:18:45.360 of us just genuinely love spending time together so that makes the experience like so worth it and

00:18:51.720 like worthwhile yeah i think it was a little a little tough before blame my ex because we we

00:18:58.660 didn't have managers at the time or agents it kind of felt it felt like everything was falling

00:19:02.780 apart a little bit and I remember we were in LA when we found out our label had dropped us

00:19:09.220 and we were like all kind of crying and calling our parents and stuff and it just felt like

00:19:14.140 I'm like almost 30 what am I gonna do now like what am I gonna get a job yeah we have no other

00:19:20.980 skills don't have my skills no resume it felt really bleak but then we got back to Toronto

00:19:27.220 and we're like okay we have to make this work I think you had a conversation with Joel our agent

00:19:31.900 in Toronto in Canada yeah and he was basically like you gotta there's gotta if you don't have

00:19:38.020 that one moment like soon you're just kind of gonna get stuck in Canada which happens to a lot

00:19:42.400 of bands I think it's just like one of those things probably the same in Australia where it's

00:19:47.560 like really hard to break out of your like home country um and then we found our manager Lori

00:19:53.880 and she kind of like put this plan together that ended up really kind of like helping everything

00:20:01.780 out and it worked and it all ended up paying off yeah and then once playing rat went viral and

00:20:07.460 labels and agents were reaching out to us we were like okay we're gonna take our time and

00:20:11.540 and pick all the right people yeah pick the dream team that we want and now it's like a team of

00:20:17.680 mostly women women and queer women and it just works really well together yeah like everybody

00:20:24.480 is like so good at their jobs and like believes in the project exactly and so now it's like a

00:20:29.560 well-oiled machine yeah we don't have to do as much now you just make the music

00:20:34.420 no we we do things but no but i can roll out of bed at 11 30 hungover and come hang out with you

00:20:43.540 guys and yeah be gifted tim tams thank you by the way pleasure i hope you guys enjoy them um and

00:20:49.980 speaking of because of course as we mentioned you guys are going on a best friend's trip soon as

00:20:53.940 well how do you balance your friendship and like professional relationship when you're touring

00:20:58.860 together you're working together but you're hanging out together what is that line like we

00:21:02.380 ask because like you know we're best friends but we work together and want to know what it's like

00:21:06.740 for you too yeah we always talk about this like there are not a lot of bands like us we're in our

00:21:12.140 free time we're hanging out like yeah at home when we're not touring we're seeing each other

00:21:17.700 most days of the week um days off we're maybe we should be resting in our hotel room but we're like

00:21:24.840 what are you doing you want to go get a beer and we're always together like yesterday after bowling

00:21:30.360 i was like can i come sleep in between you and jordan and watch girls together but you both

00:21:36.160 were like we're going to sleep i was like okay that's fine so i was a little mad

00:21:40.440 after we'd spend eight hours together drinking yeah let's go to sleep but yeah we're just

00:21:47.120 genuinely best friends and we have been and obviously there's times where it's a little

00:21:52.060 tough and it gets yeah you gotta focus on the business but and yeah those conversations are

00:21:57.100 like difficult to have but like communication is like the best tool everybody knows that and

00:22:01.520 like we're all individually in therapy so I think like we have those tools to kind of get past like

00:22:08.160 rough uncomfortable moments but and we've always been aligned with everything with the vision for

00:22:13.060 the band so there's there haven't been really like tough conversations or like polarizing

00:22:18.140 opinions someone will just be like i feel strongly about this and everyone's like yeah okay cool i

00:22:24.060 see it hydrate girl yeah yeah thank you oh you're wearing a heim i am wearing a heim hat yeah we

00:22:31.220 were the uh really what were we called the relationships girls yeah at their show in

00:22:36.120 toronto oh my gosh it was amazing we had to send sd reached out which was crazy and then we i had

00:22:43.040 to send like our stories bad relationship stories to her and then they put them on the screen and

00:22:49.040 they were amazing we love hymn yeah i was a dream yeah how cool and your hat

00:22:55.200 want to have a quickie want to have a quickie oh it's our friend's company it's our friend's

00:22:59.180 press on nail company called quickies they're great marketing shout out yeah and great merch

00:23:06.020 going back to therapy you mentioned in a podcast that you guys have actually been to friendship

00:23:11.900 therapy what one time okay one time you went to friendship one time we just were having like a

00:23:19.640 bit of like a rough period in our friendship well this is yeah well because we chalk it up to the

00:23:26.600 rough part was not knowing that I was gay and really um imprinting if I could use a twilight

00:23:35.740 a little bit of codependency problems imprinting on kylie um yeah not in a way that because

00:23:42.300 everyone's like are you in love with her every time she'd get a boyfriend i'd be like kind of

00:23:45.260 pissed like that's my girl i want to spend time with my girl yeah and i would hate the boyfriend

00:23:50.200 so to everyone it did it did appear that i was madly in love with her but no it wasn't because 0.52

00:23:57.500 i had my mom sit me down i didn't know i was gay at the time and i like i'm like if i really think

00:24:03.360 about it close my eyes and think about it i don't want to kiss her i do not want to do anything like

00:24:07.960 that with her no but i love her so much i do want to be around her all the time um and now in coming

00:24:13.920 out and like figuring out my career journey and talking to other uh friends with similar stories

00:24:18.940 it's kind of something like you go through when you when you're like unsure you're unsure you

00:24:24.980 don't know that about yourself you you kind of like imprint on that one i love that yeah yeah

00:24:31.100 you have that one friend that is like your support system like yeah kind of like uh

00:24:37.680 like almost like romantic partner but without the romantic it's like a soft launch yeah to being

00:24:42.600 gay kylie was my soft launch my beard my everything my everything and then yeah so it's

00:24:48.180 very confusing we went to a friendship therapy and i i didn't know i was gay so i was just like

00:24:51.800 i don't know why i'm so upset yeah um but we just we we talked it all through yeah and then i was

00:24:57.240 just frustrated because i'm like why are you mad that i have a boyfriend we can all hang out it's

00:25:00.420 not a big deal but it ended up being totally fine and I completely understood and our friendship's

00:25:06.360 never been better but we don't need any more friendship therapy. I couldn't figure it out

00:25:10.440 and I feel like I probably came out like not long after that and Kylie was the first person I told

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00:26:40.160 you've also both fielded dating allegations from fans as well there's a strong one happening now

00:26:48.600 yeah they're getting mad at you leandra's going like a fan posted this like thirst trap video of

00:26:55.200 her that makes it seem like she's like hitting on this girl she's not she just like took takes

00:27:01.580 well maybe i shouldn't expose you like this well do you want to talk about it or no no it's fine

00:27:07.360 it's just like slow-mo videos of like i don't know like when i'm performing on stage yes i will

00:27:11.460 smile at fans and stuff i'll flash my dimples but like yeah so yes it looks like i'm flirting with

00:27:16.480 her on stage you're like sorry so cute we're smiling at a girl and this video that this girl

00:27:23.740 posted has like 500k on tiktok like a million and then people are in the comment section

00:27:28.780 saying like no she's dating the blonde one and then finding photos of us kissing and stuff

00:27:33.160 and it's like not a gay thing it's just a friendship thing well speak for yourself

00:27:38.600 but they're like no this is her girlfriend and then people are tagging me saying like do you

00:27:44.160 care to comment so i'm just like i'm letting it build i want later to keep kind of going viral

00:27:48.760 so yeah i like fueling it like it's not queer baiting to me it's like i don't know she's kind

00:27:53.140 of my she's my straight girlfriend yeah i am her straight girlfriend that's my wife she's my gay

00:27:57.820 wife yeah perfect way to be yeah i feel like i had a flashback um this was maybe four or five years

00:28:04.680 ago um jess and i like both like came out as bi like on the podcast like together we had the

00:28:09.380 conversation um but you Leandra you came kind of you came out later in life if we can use that term

00:28:15.320 about six ish years ago what was that like navigating that personally but then also publicly

00:28:20.640 yeah it was I think kind of in COVID so I don't I never really had like a coming out post I kind

00:28:30.280 of just started soft launching my girlfriend at the time um and then I was getting like comments

00:28:36.840 from because we've we've grown up as like a a rock band in canada we have we had a lot of like older

00:28:43.160 male fans um a lot of them are great and supportive but i had a lot of those kinds of fans dming me

00:28:49.400 about like you don't have to make it about being gay and i'm not a fan anymore and blah blah blah

00:28:54.860 and i was like this is so gross and like i don't want those fans um in our community yeah so then

00:29:02.480 I was like okay I feel like I just have to start confidently posting about it just to like own it

00:29:08.400 and then from that I had I had people in my dms like coming out to me and it felt like it was

00:29:17.140 bigger than me like now that I was just doing it for fans and for people who felt like they

00:29:25.880 couldn't come out to anyone so that like gives me strength and confidence when i'm feeling unsure of

00:29:32.900 myself or i don't know just like just not as confident um which is why like lesbian of the

00:29:40.520 year has been a really great song to put out and a really cool journey in talking to fans and i

00:29:47.980 don't know just like finding strength in the community like we were both going through similar

00:29:53.420 things in in life i know people see me as like this artist on stage and not like a real person

00:29:59.320 sometimes but i'm like i cry like every day i have my heart broken all the time i'm still like

00:30:05.060 getting into really weird relationships because i only came out like six years ago so i'm getting

00:30:10.180 into relationships that people would have gotten to in their teens um i feel like a kid so i don't

00:30:17.080 know it's it's been nice to go on this journey with my best friends around the world and go on

00:30:23.240 podcast and talk about it even if i don't feel confidently about it i'm like if i talk about it

00:30:27.560 i know it's going to help people um just like figuring myself out in the spotlight kind of so

00:30:32.580 yeah weird journey yeah i am kind of like hungover rambling but

00:30:37.760 yeah no it's it's beautiful and so this is something that you explore in your third album

00:30:44.120 no hard feelings in the song um let's talk about that album a little bit more it's done really well

00:30:50.320 been really well received how was the experience of making that third album in this kind of new

00:30:56.420 era of the beaches post blame my ex it was really fun um it also came together incredibly fast like

00:31:05.200 we wanted to strike when the iron was hot so we finished the blame my ex tour which was like two

00:31:10.580 years long and we got right back into the studio um and we wanted to approach it a little bit

00:31:16.900 differently than blame my ex because blame my ex was kind of jordan's experience with her big

00:31:23.100 heartbreak of her life essentially and kind of exploring all the different like elements of that

00:31:29.180 but with this one leandra and i also went through pretty bad breakups i had two you had i probably

00:31:36.460 have one a week yeah i want to leave 365 um so we explored writing this album kind of from like

00:31:45.620 all of our perspectives which was like a really cool experience and very therapeutic i think for

00:31:51.200 both of us as well um and it was also like very fun because we got to collaborate with so many

00:31:57.860 new people like we worked with gflip and we also worked with our friend justin tranter and it was

00:32:04.660 like nice to kind of like bring these stories and like have these experiences with um different

00:32:10.120 collaborators and like make lifelong friends out of it and what's it like working with your sister

00:32:16.140 because um jazza sister india actually edits our podcast and my sister does a graphic design so

00:32:21.900 it's like a family business i love that it's really fun i mean we your story yesterday also

00:32:28.180 killed me on instagram just like you said it what was it you were like sometimes i forget that

00:32:34.280 they're sisters and they know each other i was drunk and i didn't watch that story back so i'm

00:32:38.860 gonna have to go i do remember being in awe i was like wow it's so weird to see them talk sometimes

00:32:45.400 yeah it is i mean like i forget that we are sisters a lot of the time but it's it's kind

00:32:52.460 of like all i know and i think is all she knows so like can't really imagine it any other way

00:32:56.880 you've actually been rooming together on this tour normally we have like our own rooms but

00:33:01.440 because our mom is here jordan and i are in one and it feels like when we were little kids like

00:33:06.360 doing this again um but it's so fun to be able to share these experiences like with her but it

00:33:13.640 also means like unfortunately the rest of the girls have to watch us fight you don't fight that

00:33:17.760 much i was just gonna say me and jordan fight the most i know but when we do fight it's brutal 0.99

00:33:21.980 like the fight in minneapolis when i was like you're fucking crazy like and she's just there 0.69

00:33:27.340 cheering it on like because i have a sister so i understand yeah i'm like let's go gloves come 0.98

00:33:34.400 off yeah at it sometimes but like no it's i only remind them their sisters when i'm mad at jordan

00:33:41.140 and i go to you and your sister's pissing me off and you're like why does she become my sister

00:33:45.900 when you're when you are having these issues yeah it's every time it's like you have to deal with 0.75

00:33:50.940 this yeah like putting your sister is really insane and i'm like i don't know i can't speak

00:33:58.360 for her she's very quirky there are some combos you can only have with a sister and some fights

00:34:03.740 that you can only have with a sister so oh yeah but we've kind of like gotten to that level all

00:34:08.460 four of us so it's like really everything is on the table me and jordan were fighting the other

00:34:13.100 day in front of your mom and it was very sisterly and then i stopped and i was like it's fine tracy

00:34:17.040 like this is just the sisters we're gonna be fine in two seconds and then we were like woo

00:34:21.260 and then we're like hugging yeah which is classic sister behavior you're like fighting ripping each

00:34:26.280 other like they're out and then be like do you want to watch a movie yeah and it's because i was

00:34:29.820 actually sticking up for you you forgot some things in the green room and tracy was like

00:34:33.080 oh i'll bring these to her and jordan said no no no let her learn her lesson 0.98

00:34:36.480 which is so similar sister yeah i was like no no no what a bitch yeah i fought for you i fought 0.97

00:34:42.860 for you thank you the band will listen to this back like what the hell guys exposing us on a 0.97

00:34:48.700 podcast that's good not to feel the dating allegations further but you guys are besties

00:34:54.760 and we want to kind of test how well you know each other so we've got a few kind of questions

00:34:59.020 to ask you and you're gonna try and answer almost like for each other okay kylie what is leandra's

00:35:06.060 favorite hangover food a topical question right now um favorite hangover food well it depends

00:35:13.300 i feel like it would probably be avocado toast with like poached eggs and like a side of halloumi

00:35:20.720 or honestly mcdonald's yeah that's what i was that was it depends how healthy we feel about

00:35:27.980 yeah those two yeah yeah that's correct that's right that is correct okay leandra what's kylie's

00:35:34.720 hangover yeah mcdonald's no what you love getting mcdonald's when you're hungover okay hold on

00:35:40.780 yeah think about it really you like another beer yeah that's it i drink through it you know like

00:35:49.560 a ramen or like a but that's like you don't get that that often when you're hungover i do it's

00:35:55.000 really bad actually. It's like

00:35:56.920 also $50 to order to my house

00:35:58.900 in Toronto because I live so far away.

00:36:00.700 Okay, fine. I failed. It's okay.

00:36:03.120 I'm so excited for you to go to Japan and you can

00:36:05.080 get ramen. Yeah.

00:36:07.020 We both love ramen so it's gonna

00:36:08.980 be great. Okay. What are

00:36:10.860 each other's coffee orders? Oh.

00:36:13.580 Cappuccino. Oh yeah, well.

00:36:15.680 Like an iced Americano.

00:36:17.300 Yep, she got it. Yeah, iced latte.

00:36:19.120 No, latte's too much. Latte's

00:36:21.020 too much. Too much, yeah. Too much milk. 1.00

00:36:22.500 Iced Americano with milk. With a splash of milk.

00:36:24.320 yeah what's each other's go-to karaoke song i think it's both avril lavigne oh yeah it's

00:36:29.660 always avril lavigne i'm gonna try to pick one for you though uh hot love hot i'm gonna i'm

00:36:35.940 gonna go skater boy for you yeah or or jonas brothers i don't know even in karaoke in a

00:36:41.180 minute no do the prayer yes and andrea bachelli wow that's with jordan with jordan yeah together

00:36:49.440 yeah duality of woman like that um childhood celebrity crush

00:36:56.160 you dated yours

00:37:00.300 wait can we expand on that no no there's no need um expand on that crusty bit

00:37:11.360 um i'll pick another one for you you can you can pick one in the same realm um yours i got it

00:37:19.420 Yours is Avril Lavigne's guitar player guy.

00:37:22.840 No, it's not.

00:37:23.820 Or like Ryan Sheckler.

00:37:25.280 Okay, yeah.

00:37:26.980 For sure, grade eight.

00:37:28.180 I was obsessed with Ryan Sheckler.

00:37:29.680 Ryan Sheckler.

00:37:31.320 I think like Avril Lavigne's like guitar.

00:37:33.880 No, no, her boyfriend.

00:37:35.460 No.

00:37:35.680 No.

00:37:36.300 My bad.

00:37:36.720 It was probably the crush was secretly on Avril Lavigne.

00:37:39.720 What?

00:37:40.340 Every Jonas brother.

00:37:41.600 Every Jonas.

00:37:42.060 But which one if you had to pick?

00:37:43.500 Nick at the time.

00:37:44.340 Nick at the time.

00:37:44.820 Now it's Joe.

00:37:45.520 Yes, thank you.

00:37:46.560 Tyson Ritter.

00:37:47.480 Yeah.

00:37:48.300 From All American Reject.

00:37:49.420 yeah got to meet him recently yeah how was that it was kind of weird it wasn't like he was nice

00:37:55.840 it was normal no and he looks great no it was just like it was weird how i felt like oh yeah yeah i

00:38:02.120 was like sometimes you want to keep the crush like alive yeah like oh you're a human yeah yeah

00:38:06.980 was it in like a professional setting as well yeah like at a music festival right yeah that

00:38:11.420 would be so trippy it's weird he's nice though uh last one out of these uh what are each other's

00:38:18.840 ideal first date i just thought about that first day you had where i was tracking you because you

00:38:23.560 were scared of him and and it said she was in the middle of the lake and she wasn't answering for

00:38:29.380 hours so i got everybody i was like i think we have to go to lake ontario and i think we have

00:38:32.540 to find her like i really think he killed her she was ready to get like a search party going it was

00:38:37.120 the worst date i've ever been on in my life it was so bad why were you on the lake uh because we

00:38:42.420 went it was during covid um so you could go have like social distance like dates and we like talked

00:38:48.560 on hinge so we just like sat outside and like had wine but he was like he catfished me anyways

00:38:53.280 yeah yeah but but i think before that that you you did like a like a park yeah a cutie little

00:39:01.040 walk a walk a picnic but now you probably like like a wine bar or something i was gonna say a

00:39:06.960 wine bar for you yes wine bar wine bar and what is the wine order of choice for each of you

00:39:12.500 she likes an orange wine yeah funky orange you like a rosé but you've been really hitting the

00:39:17.920 white wines lately yeah it's kind of like we are on that perfect date together yeah and we actually

00:39:25.480 we did this we shared a bottle of kind of orange kind of rosé had some cheese last night yes and

00:39:30.600 arbory yeah such a quintessential melbourne spot as well yeah so nice it's cute yeah and being in

00:39:39.260 collingwood at the moment there's heaps of wine bars up smith street you want to go somewhere

00:39:43.780 we went to one the last time we were here and it was really nice yeah i can't remember

00:39:51.600 we got a street radio it was like a big open door there we sat on the street yeah okay on

00:39:58.360 it was it was small it was a small wine bar yeah but it was cool yeah i love that very chic

00:40:03.400 well we are nearly ready to wrap up but every week on our podcast we give our listeners

00:40:09.080 recommendations on what we've enjoyed reading watching or listening to that week so can you

00:40:14.260 please share with us a recommendation something you've been watching reading that you've been

00:40:18.760 enjoying um my boyfriend alex coles just put out his ep called when the lights go out and i've been

00:40:24.920 listening to it a lot me too going through my breakup but he sent it uh the unreleased ep to

00:40:31.920 It's all I listen to.

00:40:33.660 But I will say I've been watching, when I get to my hotel room this whole week,

00:40:39.680 I put on Nick at Night, Nickelodeon, because I only have seven channels on these TVs.

00:40:44.280 I've been loving.

00:40:45.580 So I do want to recommend that everyone goes back and watches like Hey Arnold,

00:40:50.380 Fairly Oddparents, Spongebob, and Rocket Power.

00:40:54.480 That's what I've been crushing.

00:40:55.660 Wow.

00:40:56.180 Those are great recommendations.

00:40:57.680 Yeah.

00:40:58.180 And any cat dog?

00:40:59.640 No.

00:41:00.040 And I never watched that.

00:41:01.920 what is cat dog it's nickelodeon yeah but it was kind of weird it was like a cat and a dog

00:41:06.760 conjoined yeah okay yeah i never watched them yeah imagine pitching that in the exact meeting

00:41:11.960 someone was definitely really stoned so many nickelodeon shows are like that yeah like when

00:41:19.320 you watch them as an adult adult i keep i keep forgetting what canadian say adult adult what do

00:41:27.100 you guys say adult adult strong a we say adults adult okay uh spongebob was made for adults yeah

00:41:34.700 like i'm laughing and i'm like we didn't catch that as a kid yeah okay no it is really funny

00:41:39.500 my mom loves spongebob yeah my dad loves spongebob well thank you so much anyway we're scholars

00:41:45.640 we're scholars so enjoy those recos and when it comes to reading we don't do that

00:41:50.080 not do that i've been reading the same book for about four years i mean you've been very busy

00:41:54.960 on tour so true so fair thank you so much for joining us on the podcast it was so fun hanging

00:42:00.300 out on a saturday morning appreciate you guys coming in having us thank you guys hope to see

00:42:04.860 both back in australia soon as well yes i'm hoping to marry an australian obviously well we'll take

00:42:10.240 you heard it here first yeah not the last one

00:42:12.820 i love this um thank you so much again and thank you listeners for tuning in bye

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Culture Club - March 11, 2026

Dating Rumours, Delayed Gratification & Working With Your Best Friends With The Beaches

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