00:08:26.800so I think that was when I was about 26 I lent into spirituality because I was having a really
00:08:33.980tough time with alcohol and drugs a couple of years back and I knew that I had to sort of fill
00:08:39.120that space by doing something that aligned with me and something that felt really good and
00:08:43.520spirituality was exactly that and so from that point I just tapped into using those cards that
00:08:49.280mum gave me I did spiritual development courses and then everything just opened up from there
00:08:55.360So as someone, and I'm sure a lot of our listeners might feel the same, who is quite new to this
00:09:00.280space, you know, when I hear about oracle cards or intuitive readings, I'm a little bit lost.
00:09:04.380Can you give us a quick rundown of what that is?
00:09:07.340Yeah, I mean, so there's so many different types of decks of cards out there. And I think a lot
00:09:11.620of people get really overwhelmed with that. Firstly, I think the best advice that I can
00:09:15.780give someone who's stepping into the space is don't overwhelm yourself and just intuitively
00:09:20.880do what feels good for you within the spiritual space because it is pretty saturated especially
00:09:26.200on social media at the moment do what feels good in terms of cards and things like that
00:09:31.820I am not specializing like tarot cards because they're so confusing I think a lot of people
00:09:37.060would agree with me on this one so I use oracle cards and they're like I've just got a little
00:09:41.880deck in front of me but like for instance a card will have like a word or even an affirmation on
00:09:47.840there. And some people will do readings, say like past, present, future, or they'll do what I do
00:09:54.020pretty much every day and shuffle a card, a deck of cards, and then choose one. And whatever sort
00:09:59.480of the message is, it's like my message for the day or my affirmation for the day. Otherwise,
00:10:04.440sometimes when you do decide to open up your intuition, this is where you can utilize cards
00:10:10.220to bring in messages from that sort of spiritual side or that spirit guide that's coming on in.
00:10:16.100so um so much to unpack with it so much so interesting and uh we're wondering as well
00:10:23.460how does your spirituality and indigenous culture intersect i mean it's that's a good question
00:10:29.560because i think a lot of people are so interested in that so in terms of me being indigenous i think
00:10:35.200a lot of us first nations people were really born with this beautiful connection to country
00:10:41.100and a connection to spirituality as well too that a lot of people wouldn't understand
00:10:45.900in terms of it intersecting with the work that I do I'm always implementing practices and awareness
00:10:52.660throughout everything that I do and I'm also just utilizing you know indigenous practices and tools
00:10:59.120to keep me really grounded as well too in order for me to actually work as an individual so you
00:11:05.220know how some people are like I've got to go out in nature and get grounded so then they feel
00:11:09.160connected I do that but I do that on a deeper level so I have a deeper connection to country
00:11:14.960which is really powerful how was it also growing up in Geelong how have you and you know you're
00:11:21.160still living there now how has that been for you yeah I mean so I'm I suppose I'm a Geelong local
00:11:27.840I've been here for nearly 15 years but I grew up in like suburban Melbourne as like the only black
00:11:34.180kid and it was interesting to say the least very interesting having moved to Geelong yeah like 15
00:11:42.300years ago it was almost like I stepped back in time because Geelong wasn't a progressive town
00:11:48.060at all in terms of the queer space as well too and then just cultures and ethnicities it's changed1.00
00:11:56.300a little bit now but um it's in it's still an interesting town it's just it's very white it's
00:12:02.800very white and speaking of queerness you use she they um pronouns how has it been um embracing
00:12:11.500your queerness over the years and kind of putting that out there alongside your image?
00:12:18.880Yeah, I mean, it's been so crazy. It's been amazing. And I wanted to sort of put, I guess,
00:12:26.220my sexuality out there to normalise it to people that it's okay to just not love one particular
00:12:32.400gender, that it could be energy that you're absolutely attracted to. As I sort of started
00:12:37.760evolving as a human I tapped more and more into who I was and what I wanted to be and that's when
00:12:43.680I initially chose my pronouns as she and her and I was like yep that's it like I'm born as a woman
00:12:50.040that's it I'm gonna stick with those pronouns and then I think it was probably maybe like
00:12:54.720maybe 18 months ago I was out with my friend Denny and we're having a really in-depth discussion
00:13:00.320about our pronouns and I just looked at them and I was like I think my pronouns need to change I
00:13:06.460think they need to be she and they and Denny was like let's go keep unpacking and I was like there0.61
00:13:12.460are some mornings that I wake up and I don't want to attach a gender to how I'm feeling or what I'm0.98
00:13:18.240wearing or how I'm acting and that's when I was like I'm dropping the hair and I'm putting a they
00:13:23.260in there because I 100% am embodying me being gender fluid because some days I wake up and
00:13:29.820I'm really feminine some days I'm really masculine but I just didn't want to label it as anything so
00:13:35.660I think that's been a really interesting journey for me and I've loved sharing it on my socials
00:13:41.100because I just get messages from people being like I never really thought of it like that like
00:13:46.160this is unreal like this is beautiful so it's been pretty powerful and pretty special the last
00:13:51.340couple of years. I love the way that you talk about it and it feels super empowering and feels
00:13:57.020like that you are really entering your own but was it always that I guess sunshine sunshine moment
00:14:03.600were you nervous because I think Jaz and I have both talked about you know queerness for ourselves
00:14:10.020and there was a lot of apprehension and fear attached to that as well I mean I suppose there
00:14:16.480was a little bit of hesitation sort of really understanding my sexuality and being okay with
00:14:22.960you know liking people for their energy rather than the gender because I was married at such a
00:14:28.060young age and divorced at a really young age as well too I sort of was like oh I'm worried about
00:14:33.220what people are going to say and then I just got to a point where I was like you know what people
00:14:38.280don't have to understand but they need to respect me and that's okay so when I explained to my family
00:14:44.780that you know I love everybody I love people I don't just love men they were like yeah cool
00:14:52.660onto the next subject like no one cared everyone was like as long as you're happy that's fine that's
00:14:58.060all we care about so I think my queer experience has been an absolute blessing and I'm so grateful
00:15:04.160for that. And alongside that you're also known for your work in the body positivity space
00:15:09.640what does true self-love look like to you? I mean for me it's really showing up in this world and
00:15:18.100loving me for me and being okay with that little bit of extra body weight that I've got you know
00:15:23.380down in my tummy that it's okay and that I don't need to change anything about my body for anyone
00:15:29.680um so I think that's what self-love sort of really is embodied for me it's just loving me for me and
00:15:35.840not worrying about what other people think so yeah I mean self-love it's not linear is that
00:15:41.140body positivity it's not linear like we are constantly evolving it's like it's crazy yeah
00:15:47.800and I think these words are always thrown around on social media and we've been talking a lot more
00:15:53.000about you know body positivity and such could you take us through your journey with that as well
00:15:58.060yeah I mean my journey is a big one and it's still going now as a 31 year old I'm having days where
00:16:04.360I'm not loving my body and there's days where I'm loving my body but I think it all began probably
00:16:09.440in high school where I did struggle with my identity being the only person of color in high
00:16:14.700school and being the heavier kid as well too because back then I guess all we saw we would
00:16:21.000know women in magazines who are a size six and a size eight and that was the norm and if you didn't
00:16:25.400look like that then there was something wrong with you so I think high school is where it started
00:16:30.540because I was severely bullied and I think that has impacted my whole journey because I really
00:16:37.580struggled to love who I was wasn't until maybe my early 20s I started to just be like it's cool
00:16:44.520it's okay that you've got these bits and bobs here and it's okay that you've got cellular and it's
00:16:50.120okay that you've got stretch marks like it's so fine and I really had to implement you know
00:16:56.220affirmations as positive affirmations every day and I had to start to surround myself with people
00:17:02.040who really weren't high maintenance and didn't really like care about oh them looking a little
00:17:08.760bit off one day and I think that's where my journey sort of really shifted and changed and
00:17:14.020then probably the last two years that's where I've really I don't know like my social media feed has
00:17:19.400completely changed because I want to follow people who look like me I want to follow people who really
00:17:25.120love themselves and I want to just follow diverse people as well too so the journeys have been a big
00:17:32.260one and it's probably going to be an even big one the rest of my life so yeah it's not linear
00:17:38.100well completely and I think I find it so limiting when people you know flat out are like social
00:17:45.460media is just bad for body image and it's bad for self-worth because I do think I mean it depends
00:17:52.020where you're looking but it can be a source of not only inspiration but I guess body acceptance
00:17:58.260and when you do kind of curate your feed to be reflective of yourself and something that you look
00:18:04.660forward to looking at rather than something that you know makes you feel bad I think there's power
00:18:10.980in that but I don't know if I'm just being too optimistic do you have thoughts around that
00:18:15.340No, I think you're so right in saying that. Like, I think I say to young girls, social media, yes, it can be damaging in some regard, but we have the power to curate our feeds and to follow the right individuals.
00:18:29.200So I think if people are doing that, then that's where we can change our mindset around, okay, I need to see like different bodies in my feed, diverse bodies, bodies that are bigger, whatever it may be.
00:18:40.460So I think 100% change that feed, change that social media feed.
00:18:46.320It's like there's power in social media.
00:18:50.120And you also speak a lot and very openly about decolonizing wellness.
00:18:55.220Can you tell us a bit more about what that looks like and why it's so important to you?
00:19:00.080Yeah, I mean, me working in the wellness space, both on a level of me, you know, representing
00:19:06.720brands with active wear or putting protein powders on my social media, all the way down to me being
00:19:13.460an energy healer. That's all wellness. Me stepping into this space, I knew that I could be a little
00:19:19.120bit of a game changer in terms of firstly, a black person in the whitewash wellness space.0.68
00:19:25.040Amazing. Secondly, I wanted to bring more cultural awareness into the wellness space because I think0.98
00:19:32.160there's been so many rituals and practices by a lot of white people that have no education around
00:19:37.800where things actually coming from and the other thing too was there was no cultural safety as
00:19:43.840well especially like I remember walking into my first yoga lesson and being like where's the
00:19:50.740cultural safety why am I the only black person in this class right now what's happening this is
00:19:55.100bizarre so I think decolonizing these spaces is really important just by doing like those tiny
00:20:02.680little things in order to create change and make sure that people feel safe walking into these
00:20:08.380spaces is that what you mean by cultural safety making sure that like lots of different cultures
00:20:14.300feel safe and seen yeah 100% I mean like prime example walking into say a fitness studio isn't0.69
00:20:21.860it great if you see an acknowledgement of country on the side of the wall for an Indigenous person
00:20:26.240that indicates them that it's a safe space it's the same if there's like a little rainbow flag
00:20:31.360for the queer community to be like this is a safe space for you to walk into so I think just those
00:20:36.040little things make it a-okay for people to be like I mean I am in a safe space I'm going to be okay
00:20:41.720in this space so I think yeah that's really important and especially on again social media
00:20:48.800you work so much with brands especially in this wellness space like you just mentioned there
00:20:53.660how has that experience been especially yeah in the past couple of years have you seen a
00:20:58.600progression of brands being more aware of cultural like sensitivity and safety do you think it's
00:21:04.520working has it been performative where do you see this fit I mean there's still brands that are
00:21:10.720very performative isn't there we won't name them but um 100 so performative but having said that
00:21:17.580I always use this brand as an example so a couple of years ago Lululemon reached out to me
00:21:22.320and they were like we want to work with you we think you're great and I was like firstly I'm a
00:21:28.100size 18 secondly I'm black thirdly I've never walked into your stores before and the guy was
00:21:35.140just sitting there on the video call like you're right you're so right and I was like why would I
00:21:42.160promote something that I'm not like embodying and something that you're not embodying as a brand
00:21:47.540i said come back to me when you've done better two years later i did a little post last year
00:21:54.080and that was me being like yep i've given the okay because i went back and forth for years
00:21:59.380being like i need to see change i need to see bigger bodies like represented in your feed
00:22:04.620and they did they started showing up a little bit more and they started utilizing first nations
00:22:09.080models they started you know saying yep we go up to a size 18 i was like perfect i'm gonna work
00:22:15.800with you because number one that's like you guys showing that you have changed and you've listened
00:22:20.280to me and number two this is me decolonizing the wellness space so important and yeah especially
00:22:27.700when it comes to things like rainbow capitalism and then post black lives matter movement you
00:22:32.820just have to be so careful with these brands I can imagine so careful and I think that's what
00:22:40.740I think that's what sets me apart from a lot of, I guess, the influencers in this space in
00:22:45.660quotation marks, is I actually do my research on a brand. I actually work with the brand for months
00:22:51.520before I even promote it on my feed. I go back and forth with my manager. We make sure they haven't
00:22:57.260had any like bad press associated with them. We make sure that they've used like black people in
00:23:02.180the past and it's not a tokenistic sort of thing that they're utilizing me for. So I think it's
00:23:07.640important especially in this industry like I'm I think I'm a conscious content creator in that
00:23:12.940respect too and I love the fact that when you're talking about decolonializing wellness it's
00:23:21.540important because you're paying it the respect that it deserves I think when people kind of
00:23:26.020critique woo-woo culture and kind of minimize it to this throwaway thing it's so disrespectful for
00:23:33.200you know traditions and practices that have been around for you know so long so yeah just wanted to
00:23:41.080add that yeah well I 100% agree and I think I had that conversation with like a yoga teacher in
00:23:47.260Geelong I was like I know you're a yoga teacher I know you've got your qualifications but like tell
00:23:51.720me more do you actually know where yoga has stemmed from do you actually know the rituals that you're
00:23:56.080doing before each practice and I was like do you know that you shouldn't be using Palo Santo during
00:24:01.220your practices because that's cultural appropriation and I just remember her being like oh never thought
00:24:07.600of it like that and I was like oh there you go take you know whatever advice you want to take
00:24:11.920me right now because I think we do need to see change it is so important I remember I was in
00:24:17.580Bondi a few weeks ago and I went to a yoga class and it was obviously I'm white as well but it was
00:24:23.320only white people like maybe 40 white people um and the white a white instructor from America and
00:24:29.260she i was like okay here we are in bondi but then she started doing the kind of like indian
00:24:34.540traditional chants and i felt super uncomfortable like the the arms and stuff and i was like does
00:24:41.700she have permission from a culture to do this like she was also burning palo santo and i was like oh
00:24:47.720this feels so icky when it was meant to be like a relaxing sunday um so those conversations i think
00:24:53.340are so important in so many spaces like offline as well as online on social media yeah I agree
00:25:00.940completely I think it's so important and I know I feel icky when yoga teachers do that and I don't
00:25:07.360even say namaste at the end of the practice anymore because I'm like that's not my word to
00:25:12.060say right that doesn't belong to me no yeah I'm glad that we're bringing up this conversation
00:25:18.020around cultural appropriation and I think you know we love our culture club listeners and they
00:25:23.560are a smart bunch who want to do good I'm just going to blanket put it out there but the thing
00:25:28.240is I think it can be hard to navigate this sometimes and people just don't know where to
00:25:33.460start or what's right and what's not I mean do you have advice around that I know this is such a big
00:25:39.640convo but yeah yeah oh definitely I think my best advice is be uncomfortable with understanding
00:25:47.320that you don't know everything and get comfortable in being like yep cool no worries like I'm gonna
00:25:53.860do better and that's okay I think there's a real beauty in acknowledging that you don't know
00:25:59.540everything and that you may have like fucked up in the past and that's a okay but get comfortable
00:26:05.020being like yep I'm gonna do better and that's okay I would love to go back to manifesting I'm
00:26:12.140such a big manifesto grew up around positive affirmations and um kind of working towards
00:26:17.820your dreams but there is a kind of interesting conversation happening especially on tiktok at
00:26:23.020the moment which is people saying that manifesting kind of also relates to that like disparaging of
00:26:28.340woo-woo culture right and kind of just saying that manifesting is just privilege in action
00:26:33.500like you didn't really manifest that you manifested it because you're a white young pretty woman
00:26:39.080etc um how do you feel about these conversations that are happening around manifesting and what do
00:26:45.660you say to people who believe that because obviously privilege does play a big factor
00:26:49.660in achieving things but yeah what do you say to those things yeah a hundred percent I had someone
00:26:57.160actually slide into my dms recently and being like you're coming from a place of privilege being able
00:27:01.780to manifest and I'm like yeah I am I actually am a hundred percent but I also had to say to that
00:27:07.420person it's actually it's a belief for me and that should be respected and I explained to the person
00:27:13.200that I came from a really poor background I had a single mom and so learning to manifest was a way
00:27:20.840for me to secure that I knew that things were coming to me and that it's a-okay so I think yeah
00:27:27.100it does come from a place of privilege but it's also a personal belief that somebody has and if
00:27:31.900they believe that it works then it works for them and I think that's where it should be respected
00:27:36.200I totally agree with that yeah just has always been someone in my life who is very big into
00:27:42.540manifestation and I'm someone who just wants to learn more but I've never really you know
00:27:48.060especially growing up I was never exposed to it perhaps in smaller ways but never explicitly
00:27:53.620so I'm wondering if you can provide some tips and advice around meditation that we can yeah we can
00:28:01.260learn from yeah yeah definitely I mean like manifesting it's so easy I feel like it is easy
00:28:08.020but I mean that's me being like years of practice I think there's sort of ways in which that you can
00:28:15.100manifest and bring in things by changing our mindsets a little bit in the mornings and like
00:28:19.860having those positive affirmations not in a way that it's like a toxic positivity or something
00:28:24.580like that but just in a way where we're waking up and we're saying something nice to ourselves
00:28:29.240um i always love the old writing it down on a piece of paper when we're manifesting and just
00:28:35.140letting the universe do its thing i think that's really important to acknowledge that you're worthy
00:28:40.500of being open to receiving as well too and i think the whole worthiness self-worth does come into play
00:28:47.900hugely when you're manifesting so just understand that you have the capability to bring in absolutely
00:28:54.200anything that you desire because i'm like manifesting is you curating and creating your
00:29:00.180own reality in your own existence so if you firmly believe that you're able to allow five
00:29:06.080thousand dollars to come into your bank account then it's coming your way yeah and i think it also
00:29:11.600manifestation also challenges our um love around instant gratification like sometimes i manifest
00:29:17.800things and then because you've like let it go right and then you forget about it and then maggie
00:29:22.840be like oh my god we got invited to like this thing or we're gonna do this and I'm like oh yeah
00:29:27.320that's what I wanted like three or four months ago but you just kind of let it go and then it'll
00:29:31.820come back to you and I love those little moments where you're like oh thank you universe like
00:29:35.440it may not have been instant but it got there in the end exactly and that's why I think the beauty
00:29:41.640of manifesting it's like okay it may not come tomorrow it may not come next month it may come
00:29:47.320in a couple of years and that's cool we've just got to sit back and like hang tight totally oh
00:29:51.980I love it um I'm not too sure if manifestation is like what do you know when you blow out the
00:29:56.840candles of a birthday cake and you're not supposed to tell people the secret that you made I don't
00:30:01.900know if it's something that you share you don't like or you don't disclose but just generally as
00:30:06.320well like this year what do you have in store like what would you love to I guess do this year as
00:30:12.240well um this year I actually want to slow down this year I really like I've got it on my manifesting
00:30:19.460bored at the moment and it's like slow down and be present um and just do more things for me
00:30:27.380because I feel like I've output so much energy the last two years to everybody else that I haven't
00:30:32.920had a hot minute to appreciate everything that's happened and I haven't had a hot minute to just
00:30:38.180slow on down so that's what I'm hoping this year brings oh so beautiful and I want to know like
00:30:45.480i want to hear about your ideal day let's say it's a sunday you've you've woken up in geelong
00:30:51.160what does that look like for you oh my gosh i'm such a simple gal like a beautiful ideal day for
00:30:58.380me it's like well like getting up taking cosmo for a walk going down to my favorite cafe which
00:31:04.260my friend owns and just having like a big brunch then coming home and like putting netflix on for
00:31:10.500the rest of the day like that is the ideal Sunday for me of the ideal day like slowness is like
00:31:18.220perfection for me simple pleasures and I think that's something that I've learned a lot uh post
00:31:23.780pandemic is and also since learning meditation more recently um is like finding those little
00:31:31.800moments of joy we kind of spoke about it on our last guest chat with Wendy Seifert but like
00:31:36.560you can create your dream day right now you don't have to wait for some like moment in the future
00:31:41.660because when you appreciate the little things like going to your friend's cafe or just putting
00:31:46.420netflix on and having nowhere else to be more kind of abundance comes into your life because
00:31:51.280you're like grateful for those little things and life just feels easier right i love that exactly
00:31:59.020that it's like those simple beautiful pleasures and just like sit back and the universe will
00:32:03.640gift you what you need to be gifted. I love this outpouring of gratitude. I was, you know,
00:32:10.340we were having a busy day at work and feeling a little bit like in a slump, but this has really
00:32:15.100just lifted me. So thank you so much for this, Alira. I know we are talking about the small
00:32:20.600things, but I also want to know, what are you proudest of yourself for? I think like at this
00:32:27.080present moment I'm really proud that I'm still here and I'm still like living and thriving a
00:32:34.460couple of years ago I was really unwell mentally and I didn't want to be outside at all but I
00:32:39.820pushed through that and here I am just like absolutely living my best life and I'm just so
00:32:45.700like grateful for that and so proud of that oh my gosh making me tear up that's really
00:32:51.840really beautiful and yeah so important yeah well that was a beautiful chat thank you so much for
00:32:59.940your time and if people want to learn more about you or chat with you more where can they find you
00:33:07.640um instagram at the moment just alira.potter but there's big things coming i'm about to release
00:33:14.260some like coaching for people and like yeah so there's big things coming so yeah find me on
00:33:21.220Instagram so exciting perfect we'll talk to you later thank you bye