Culture Club - The Voyeurism Of Celeb Trials

00:00:00.000 Our thoughts on the messiness of Coachella, Johnny Depp, Amber Heard, and the voyeuristic

00:00:12.360 nature of celebrity court cases, and why our full-time job should be side hustles.

00:00:18.080 We're Jasmine and Maggie, and you're listening to Culture Club, our weekly chat about pop

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00:00:50.560 hi how have you been this week i've had a good week jazz i'm actually surprised that you can

00:01:01.000 hear me all right because yesterday i did four hours of karaoke followed by a party as well so

00:01:07.300 my vocal chords are really doing the most thank you wow who are you i know i don't know what's

00:01:14.960 happened i've had two bouts of socialization this week where i've just gone full leo energy and felt

00:01:20.400 like ready to party ready to talk to people it's so weird oh my god do you know your moon sign

00:01:27.080 yeah i am um i always get a little confused but i'm double pisces and then i've got one taurus

00:01:32.740 okay you don't know which one's which oh i can quickly check let's check co-star it up i'm a

00:01:39.320 gemini sun capricorn moon and scorpio rising gemini scorpio capricorn yeah holy moly love that

00:01:47.680 i thought you did have some leo in you no i know tom's a leo but i'm just so i am pisces rising

00:01:56.320 pisces sun and taurus moon right interesting double pisces yeah well someone because i made

00:02:04.420 this show quite a few times like oh as if i'm not a leo and i had a lovely message from someone

00:02:08.720 which was like something along the lines of you know there's nothing more powerful than a pisces

00:02:13.980 who knows their self-worth or like, like loves himself or, you know, is fully in Pisces power

00:02:20.440 or something like that. It resonated. Sorry. I don't remember exactly what they said, but

00:02:24.980 you know. Oh, I love that. We're glad to see it. Cause I feel like you can flip flop between like

00:02:31.500 total, um, introvert and like, you don't want to see anyone and then you can be off the end

00:02:38.040 spectrum completely um what about you how's your week been yeah it's also been good very fun

00:02:45.940 it's been a blur so I can't even really remember what we did but I'm going to Brisbane on Tuesday

00:02:53.720 for a friend's wedding which will be lovely they're actually listeners of the show so congrats

00:02:59.760 Em and Sean for Thursday then haven't got married yet but soon so that'll be lovely that's so sweet

00:03:06.100 It's back to our roots because we started this podcast when you were up in Brisbane and I was

00:03:10.520 here in Melbourne. Such an interstate podcast, I might add. We have recorded in three different

00:03:18.660 states. Love that. Should we get into pop culture land? Completely, because last week we had that

00:03:25.780 interview with Alira Potter, which was incredible. I felt so light and warm after our chat with them.

00:03:31.920 Me too. So we've got a lot of pop culture to catch up on, right?

00:03:35.180 Yes. So number one, we have to all collectively breathe out a sigh of relief because Rihanna and

00:03:42.860 ASAP Rocky haven't broken up after all. But we have to ask, why was the internet in such a frenzy

00:03:50.120 because of literally just one rumor? So we need to walk through this messiness because it happened

00:03:56.440 last long weekend. What did you think when you first heard it? Were you like, oh my God,

00:04:01.300 this is so sad or did you think fake news I actually kind of thought fake news and I'm not

00:04:06.080 just saying this in hindsight when this has all been dispelled but I almost I think I didn't want

00:04:11.760 to believe it as well it was like a beautiful it was during a long weekend relaxation mode we're

00:04:16.580 like I don't need to hear this you know and I was like I just don't know I don't think so but

00:04:21.680 it really caused a ruckus online it really did people were going mad but I also think people

00:04:26.820 were just like going along with the joke and kind of like the trending thing of the day um but it

00:04:33.840 all unfolded when writer louis pisano tweeted this on april 14 rihanna and asap rocky have split

00:04:40.220 rihanna broke up with him after she caught him cheating with shoe designer amina moad amina was

00:04:45.660 responsible for designing fenty's footwear offering and rihanna is often seen in custom

00:04:50.040 shoes from her own label asap and amina is not new though as she was seeing him years ago and

00:04:55.580 also collaborated with him on a collection of shoes things apparently hit the fan at craigs in

00:05:00.220 la allegedly this affair happened during paris fashion week honestly reading that it kind of

00:05:08.620 feels believable you know the person is giving kind of straight facts and giving a bit of context

00:05:14.180 and history and this is a fashion writer and influencer who's written for reputable publications

00:05:19.820 and such so I understand I guess why people were quick to jump on this but it was so quickly off

00:05:26.800 the back of Rihanna's Vogue cover where in her interview she was just gushing about ASAP and

00:05:32.600 obviously they're expecting a little baby together as well so it was interesting timing. The point

00:05:39.700 where I was like this is not real is when I think I saw a comment on TikTok or Twitter where people

00:05:44.460 were like um yeah they were having asap and rihanna were having like a private conversation

00:05:49.280 at a diner or like in a restaurant and rihanna was crying and i was like as it rihanna's like

00:05:55.260 one of the most private celebrities of that time as if she'd be having a private conversation about 0.97

00:06:00.820 alleged cheating in public that's just so stupid so that's when i was like no this isn't real 0.98

00:06:06.280 that's so silly my favorite thing that i did see was um one of our friends mina she posted 0.99

00:06:12.360 a screenshot of her run like a running app with her stats and um her caption was like

00:06:18.780 just run my fastest time ever because of the news of rihanna and asap and i was like yeah

00:06:24.680 that is good fuel a source who is reportedly close to the couple told tmz a day later that

00:06:30.840 the rumors are one million percent not true and the couple's relationship is still completely fine

00:06:36.300 But on April 16th, Louis, the person who kind of created this rumor in the first place,

00:06:42.220 apologized.

00:06:43.240 Imagine having to apologize for upsetting Rihanna.

00:06:46.600 And also, let me just point out, this is like two days after the original tweet went out.

00:06:52.500 So this came and went super quickly.

00:06:55.320 But I'll just read some of Louis' apology now.

00:06:58.140 I'd like to formally apologize to all parties I involved with my actions and for my reckless

00:07:02.860 tweets.

00:07:03.360 I fully accept the consequences of my actions for my tweets and any harm they caused I have no

00:07:10.020 excuse for it I've been way too wrapped up in Twitter drama and unfortunately leaned into being

00:07:14.900 messy as a brand which is something going forward I'm going to move away from I'm going to take some

00:07:20.740 time away from Twitter to figure out what that looks like and how I can start using my platforms

00:07:26.140 better as I've gotten away from using them for more positive work wow so they are actually a

00:07:34.420 writer for like Harper's Bazaar their pinned tweet is I had the immense pleasure of interviewing

00:07:40.580 Beyonce's stylist for Harper's Bazaar US and they have about 20,000 Twitter followers so

00:07:47.420 interesting I feel like that's not a good way to kind of get your name in the industry like 0.66

00:07:53.740 known for being a shit stirrer and like a rumor mill because then people won't trust you and

00:08:00.540 celebrities won't trust you to interview them but I actually appreciate the shout out in the apology 0.97

00:08:05.900 to like admitting that they got caught up in twitter drama because I think it's natural for

00:08:11.780 a lot of people like in the twitter sphere to be very like on twitter and kind of not really

00:08:16.780 acknowledge that or realize that so like that part of the apology wasn't needed but I kind of

00:08:22.800 like that insight yeah twitter is my least favorite social media site i mean aside from

00:08:27.000 like linkedin oh actually no facebook okay maybe it's not my least favorite but it's like definitely

00:08:32.520 down there i only check it once a day usually on weekdays for work because of work or when we're

00:08:37.820 looking for tweets for culture club because i just find it such like a cesspit it's so negative

00:08:43.380 and nasty and like messy i hate it do you like it i think you were especially on a side of that

00:08:50.580 like a negative kind of aussie journal yeah twitter um mine's broken up with yes i get that

00:08:57.340 too but i still have some like old one direction mutuals from a while ago so there's some cute

00:09:02.680 things there but i really want to lighten it up because it can be a good place like this is so 0.99

00:09:07.660 random but hannah english skinfluencer and like instagram extraordinaire loves twitter and she's

00:09:15.140 like oh you just have to like curate the feed you've just got to work on that like there's

00:09:19.680 potential there it's just hiding I love following funny like comedians and like female writers

00:09:25.540 yeah and things like that like yeah

00:09:28.000 after two years of it being cancelled Coachella came back last weekend it's also back this weekend

00:09:40.300 it has been messy to say the least what have you thought of Coachella so far

00:09:46.160 yeah the Coachella revival feels very different no like from the fashion to how celebrities have

00:09:55.620 interacted with it with some of the new stories about it um yeah it's giving a different vibe

00:10:01.980 and we're going to just touch on some of our favorite highlights or low lights from the

00:10:06.900 festival firstly I want to talk about the fashion so I think it's very interesting to see how the

00:10:14.760 fashion of Coachella has evolved over the years and a lot of people have been saying online that

00:10:19.580 Vanessa Hudgens is the one who created like the Coachella look of like kind of being there to be

00:10:27.220 seen in clothes and like that being the look of the Coachella and that's why she got in trouble

00:10:32.740 with that um yeah people are gonna die because she was talking about Coachella being cancelled

00:10:37.460 Anyway, I saw a very funny tweet by a user at Balenci Cigarette who said,

00:10:44.620 I miss old Coachella outfits.

00:10:46.340 No thoughts, just boho aesthetic everywhere.

00:10:48.840 And there's a picture of, of course, Vanessa in like a crocheted top

00:10:53.640 with denim shorts. 1.00

00:10:55.040 They've got feathers in the hair.

00:10:57.520 Who else? 1.00

00:10:58.740 Oh, God, there's Selena Gomez wearing a bindi. 1.00

00:11:01.920 Oh, God, next to Kylie Jenner.

00:11:04.580 And Gigi Hadid.

00:11:06.200 the car looks so different i didn't recognize her yeah so different so that was the vibe probably

00:11:12.420 like five to eight years ago and someone retweeted valency cigarettes tweet and says

00:11:19.720 now everyone looks like they're on the SWAT team so true oh my goodness i know it feels like a

00:11:25.800 weird thing of obviously it's a very influencer heavy event a lot of fast fashion present but

00:11:31.340 all these like random micro trends and like different subcultures were disappearing and it

00:11:36.480 was like a weird like yeah like you said some SWAT team some really wild Y2K outfits some very

00:11:44.340 classic festival outfits I don't know it was just like a lot. Pedestrian TV also covered this one

00:11:50.320 one woman who showed up and she said she thought it was a vibe but she looked like people saying

00:11:56.580 she looked like COVID because she had all these like things coming off her like red pointy things

00:12:02.580 um but interestingly as well this was the first Coachella since TikTok has been big so I think

00:12:09.700 that's definitely made an impact and I think people are dressing for TikTok uh more so than

00:12:16.340 Instagram also with TikTok like it's all video right so you're moving and therefore I think

00:12:23.120 you have to dress up even more because it's like a moving image whereas Instagram was like you can

00:12:29.320 take one pic and like that's done for the day whereas like there's so many so much content you

00:12:34.400 can make on TikTok. Are you a festival gal by the way? Not really I've never been to a camping

00:12:39.880 festival I've been to day festivals which I always love um but I don't even remember when my last one

00:12:45.560 was actually that's a lie it was November 2019 before shit hit the fan it was um on a winery

00:12:51.640 in Victoria and like a little like Australian one it was still really fun I saw Tudor Cinema Club

00:12:57.500 oh so sweet I mean I asked this question because we're on the topic of fashion and I feel like

00:13:03.920 the time for festival dressing for like me personally has passed like I used to get so

00:13:08.840 excited to get dressed up for group in the mood or whatever and plan out a fit and stuff

00:13:12.600 and I think the last couple of festivals I've been to I've just like given up like I just kind

00:13:18.380 of wear whatever yeah I don't know is it is it still a as is it still a thing as much well

00:13:24.700 interestingly Kylie Jenner Kendall Jenner and uh Hayley Bieber were at Coachella the first weekend

00:13:32.780 and they showed up with like just little cute plaits in their hair like white t-shirts and

00:13:38.280 singlets denim shorts leather jackets and like um even just high waist jeans and a lot of uh

00:13:46.140 people on the internet were saying like how that's kind of shown up all of the people who've kind of

00:13:51.260 gone above and beyond in these like really cheap fast fashion outfits like really extravagant you're

00:13:55.720 obviously never going to wear that again and people have been like watch next year everyone show up in

00:14:00.580 like a singlet with a leather jacket so I feel like those kind of gen z celebrities maybe are

00:14:06.140 going to bring back the simple pared back like denim short vibe with Coachella but yeah I do

00:14:11.580 agree that it can be a young person's younger person's game like feeling that excitement to

00:14:17.380 dress up yeah and then it's also so different i don't think either of us are cool enough to talk

00:14:22.340 about like australians kind of doof or like festival scenes you know like they're very cool

00:14:26.880 like parties that go on and people i know but everyone like dresses super cool but i'm like

00:14:32.240 i can't even that's a world away i know world away from us speaking of fast fashion revolve

00:14:40.680 who's a fast fashion brand, held their Revolve Fest,

00:14:43.440 a Coachella-related festival that is invite-only this year,

00:14:47.200 which kind of turned into a fire festival situation.

00:14:50.560 Yes, this is what we were talking about when we said

00:14:53.800 that Coachella was very messy this year.

00:14:57.060 So it all unraveled after Los Angeles magazine editor

00:15:00.540 Joseph Karpsch tweeted this,

00:15:03.040 Influencers stranded in the dirt with no water under the hot sun

00:15:06.680 for hours waiting for buses that were coming to bring them

00:15:09.820 to the actual festival security had crowds of influencers yelling how important they were and

00:15:16.040 why they deserved the first seat i do want to add i've also heard on first-hand account that that is

00:15:22.660 exactly how it went down who do you know who is there i will not reveal my sources

00:15:28.680 revolve released a statement saying that we sincerely apologize to all the guests who

00:15:35.340 impacted we always strive to provide a great experience and we promise to do better one of

00:15:41.520 my favorite tiktoks out of this i don't think it was actually the revolve festival itself but it was

00:15:46.340 an influencer her name's remy on tiktok she um does these like realistic uh videos of

00:15:54.040 kind of fast fashion clothes uh on a size i think it's a 14 or 16 in us but anyway she's

00:16:01.260 like very funny very charismatic she's really become big this year and she's posted it on

00:16:06.900 instagram and a tiktok and it's like instagram versus reality and it's this video of her and a

00:16:12.280 friend uh getting driven in a golf cart and like obviously it's the middle of the desert

00:16:16.300 and driven in a golf cart and she's just crying she's like i hate this and it's just like some

00:16:25.080 really crappy like edm music playing on there she's like getting like driven on this like

00:16:28.680 shitty buggy I have to find it and post it if I can but I feel like that just kind of sums it up

00:16:33.940 like Coachella is very not that I've been but I feel like it's like everyone wants to be there

00:16:39.280 but then when you're there is it really good is everyone having fun or are you just looking like

00:16:42.940 you're having fun I want to just quickly like politely ask everyone like are you actually

00:16:46.900 having fun you know like are you okay um Emma Chamberlain actually did a podcast episode about

00:16:52.120 her experience and she's just kind of giving general festival advice but it was funny because

00:16:56.360 it was just like festival advice that applies to any festival but just like everything's worse

00:17:01.220 like you know she's complaining oh she's complaining but nicely pointing out that you

00:17:04.840 know the lines for food and water are so long like your your shoes get wrecked like I had so

00:17:10.340 many blisters like all this terrible stuff that's quite relatable about most festivals and I'm just

00:17:15.440 like the memories are flooding back and I'm like oh yeah is this even that good and yeah I also

00:17:21.260 want to end on the fact that revolve even after this fire festival-esque situation um their share

00:17:28.440 price for the company actually rose six percent so fun okay but the other thing we have to also

00:17:35.900 talk about is the whole timothy charlemais kissing situation that went on this is actually one of my

00:17:42.540 favorite little stories that came out of the week hey me too i loved it so apparently timothy kissed

00:17:49.160 a stranger um it's not confirmed but it's rumored to be nigerian model and activist sarah talabi

00:17:56.120 and in a statement given first to page six she said everyone is asking me if i was kissing

00:18:02.260 timothy chalamet at coachella and that is a good question but a great question would be asking our

00:18:07.540 world leaders why the earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year due to global

00:18:12.020 warming and why climate crisis reform has been completely ineffective i encourage you to contact

00:18:17.280 to your local representatives and ask them that i am fully obsessed with her like this is the perfect

00:18:23.860 earth day slash earth month content as well um like what a person to give attention to as well 0.72

00:18:30.580 like i'm glad that i know of her now she's got over a million instagram followers so obviously

00:18:34.980 quite well known but what a cute way to handle this situation

00:18:39.480 before we get into the next segment we would just like to put a content warning here

00:18:48.940 for domestic abuse and violence it's currently the second week of actor johnny depp's defamation

00:18:54.720 trial against his ex-wife amber heard which is expected to go for six weeks johnny is suing

00:19:00.640 for 50 million dollars over an opinion piece written by amber in the washington post in which

00:19:06.100 she claimed to have experienced domestic abuse.

00:19:08.540 Amber is countersuing.

00:19:10.060 So I've been seeing quite a bit about this,

00:19:13.560 especially on Twitter this week,

00:19:15.200 and it feels very complicated and intricate

00:19:21.000 in the sense that, you know,

00:19:22.400 this has been going on for a few years.

00:19:24.500 There's been so many different parts of their story.

00:19:27.320 And to be honest, I actually don't know the details of it.

00:19:30.260 So it's really nice to be able to go through this

00:19:32.400 and just see what's actually happened

00:19:34.960 that's led to this point.

00:19:36.100 Yeah, I agree because it all kind of started coming out towards the end of the Me Too movement. Well, obviously that's still going on, but like around 2018, 19, where I had kind of personally become a little desensitized to these stories, like just from a female perspective, like I actually can't give energy to those stories after like so much of Me Too.

00:19:57.420 but um so i agree that like i didn't know where this kind of began and how we got to where we are

00:20:03.420 today so we'll just quickly go through a little bit of history on the couple so the pair first

00:20:08.680 met in 2009 on the set of their film the rum diary they then saw each other again two years

00:20:15.140 later during the promotion of the film then a year later in 2012 johnny and his ex-wife vanessa

00:20:22.180 Paradis aka the mother of Lily Rose and John Christopher Depp split up. Johnny and Amber then

00:20:28.840 began dating and became engaged in 2014. In 2015 they married in a private ceremony in LA but just

00:20:36.040 15 months later Amber filed for divorce claiming that Johnny abused her under the influence of

00:20:41.080 drugs and alcohol. He denied the accusations and a seven million settlement was reached out of court

00:20:46.180 in August 2016. Amber then donated that money to charity. So at that time, they both released a

00:20:52.940 joint statement together and that read, our relationship was intensely passionate and at

00:20:58.560 times volatile, but always bound by love. Neither party has made false accusations for financial

00:21:04.740 gain. There was never any intent of physical or emotional harm. So then in 2018, we get the op-ed

00:21:11.960 for the Washington Post written by Amber which was about the treatment of women in domestic abuse

00:21:16.940 cases. She didn't mention Johnny by name in the piece and this was of course as I referenced

00:21:22.380 earlier just after the peak of the Me Too movement. So then in 2019 Johnny began to sue Amber over the

00:21:29.100 article claiming it cost him acting work which it did. He was fired from Pirates of the Caribbean 6

00:21:34.180 and also from the Harry Potter franchise.

00:21:38.820 In 2020, Depp also sued the newspaper The Sun over another 2018 article claiming that

00:21:44.300 he was violent towards Amber.

00:21:46.000 So now it brings us to April 12th of this year, the date that the case against Amber

00:21:51.720 actually began.

00:21:53.020 So yeah, we're talking only a couple of weeks ago now.

00:21:56.300 So, so far, Johnny has testified about his experiences growing up with an abusive mother,

00:22:01.400 his struggles with substance abuse and his tumultuous relationship with Amber he also

00:22:07.780 acknowledged in his testimony that he and Amber had arguments during their relationship but said

00:22:14.320 quote never did I myself reach the point of striking Miss Herd in any way nor have I ever

00:22:20.600 struck any woman in my life it's also important to note because we're only two weeks into this trial

00:22:25.620 that amber hasn't had her say yet she hasn't testified yet this so far we're just hearing um

00:22:32.580 johnny is being kind of put on trial at the moment one part of the trial that has caught

00:22:38.660 the internet's attention specifically is during this week's opening statements amber's lawyer

00:22:44.160 claimed that the actress carried malani conceal and perfect all-in-one correcting kit with her

00:22:49.340 throughout her quote entire relationship with johnny end quote and suggested she'd used the 0.80

00:22:55.100 makeup to cover injuries from his alleged physical abuse during their relationship but oh my goodness

00:23:01.520 milani cosmetics actually then made a tiktok video about the trial with the soundtrack

00:23:08.520 international super spy by the backyardigans and confirmed that the correcting kit was released in

00:23:14.400 2017 whereas abuse was alleged to happen between 2012 and 2016 yes we will post the tiktok so you

00:23:23.240 can see it for yourself it is very good marketing i think to kind of jump on the conversation um

00:23:32.400 there are some very funny comments in the video i will give that to people they one person says

00:23:37.080 omg this is like when l woods cracked down on the case because of the perm

00:23:41.040 and another said milani said get my name out your mouth like it's so funny right but i'm wondering

00:23:48.000 like can this influence maybe not only outcome but like parts of the trial because this is

00:23:53.880 evidence yeah and i love that they did it like through a tiktok video and then they might have

00:23:58.280 to like show this video in court or something you know yeah i think like his lawyers might

00:24:02.320 show the video in court which would be such an own um it's such an own i'm like you're like

00:24:11.000 So obviously this video is quite funny and clever but I do think it does speak to the viral

00:24:25.660 nature of trial cases especially in America and interestingly this case is being televised live

00:24:34.200 and fans have now poured in their support for Johnny Depp and made hashtag justice for Johnny

00:24:39.980 Depp trend on Twitter I've also seen fan edits on TikTok from this trial as well uh with you know

00:24:48.420 videos from the trial kind of clipped together videos of Johnny and Amber and then it goes like

00:24:53.760 oh maybe it was to As It Was by Harry Styles and it's like you know those transformation videos

00:24:59.840 and then it goes you know it's not the same as it was and it goes to his relationship with Winona

00:25:04.160 writer from the 90s so things like that where i've been like okay like interesting and it's like

00:25:11.220 almost oh god like it feels like a people are spectating sport like on my twitter it's very

00:25:17.160 much like you know this is happening that's happening and people are rooting for one side

00:25:22.620 or the other and it's and it's become just like yeah another story in the pop culture cycle but

00:25:30.460 of course this isn't the first time a celebrity trial has made waves in the media and been

00:25:36.080 publicized to such a high level. One of the first kind of massive celebrity televised trials began

00:25:44.080 in 1995 when former NFL player OJ Simpson was charged with the murder of his ex-wife Nicole

00:25:50.940 Brown and her friend Ronald Goldman. Obviously we don't have time to get into a whole another trial

00:25:56.580 right now but if you want to know more i really recommend watching the people versus oj simpson

00:26:00.980 american crime story on netflix it is so incredible and it features david schwimmer aka ross from

00:26:07.700 friends as robert kardashian uh one of oj's lawyers and kind of how the kardashians got

00:26:13.320 their name in the first place and also sarah paulson as um the people's lawyer it's very

00:26:21.520 very well done made by the same people who did american horror story ryan murphy um anyway so i

00:26:27.040 read an article for the guardian titled the oj simpson case 20 years later making trials into

00:26:32.520 television by lila raptopoulos in the article they interview paul failer who's the communications

00:26:38.160 department at adelphi university and paul has written two books about the impacts of these

00:26:43.600 cameras so in the piece he says i was intrigued i thought this was a new genre of television that

00:26:49.880 we had never seen before. The courts were the most conservative of our institutions and those

00:26:55.500 laws basically opened the floodgates. He continues, court TV made trials into television surrounding

00:27:03.000 them with commentary, sidebars and anything else to add hype. It positioned the viewer as a 13th

00:27:09.660 juror. We all became jury members watching that trial and we thought we knew more than those

00:27:15.280 people on the stand i think that quote is very powerful and still is relevant to today it's

00:27:21.400 relevant to the johnny and amber case and like we do it every episode on this podcast like we

00:27:27.160 analyze things in the media and pop culture and we do make judgments and yeah i think

00:27:34.420 but when it comes to court cases i don't know do you think the court like cameras should be

00:27:41.540 allowed in court well it's so different in like um like America and here in Australia again I don't

00:27:47.480 know too much detail about our system here but you know we're very strict on trial by media so we

00:27:54.340 don't really talk about court cases and such until after it's been done again not getting the details

00:28:01.360 completely correct there and I think there's like merit in that right because all this all what's

00:28:07.240 happening can sway the case for better or for worse like we wouldn't have gotten milani cosmetics

00:28:12.840 weighing in if this wasn't being publicized so what do you think i agree with you as well i mean

00:28:18.980 australia we have such strict defamation laws i don't know i'm in two minds about it i think

00:28:24.820 on one hand it can be dangerous and damaging because the whole point of a court case is to

00:28:29.660 get all evidence from both sides and if you start making judgments after only hearing one side of

00:28:36.380 the story and, you know, Twitter or whatever kind of runs with that before a decision has been made

00:28:42.840 or before the second person has had their opinion, not specifically Johnny and Amber, but just in

00:28:47.740 general, I think that can be damaging to people and institutions, but it does also keep people

00:28:54.460 accountable. So it's a tricky one. We just have to be careful not to use this for entertainment

00:28:59.840 or memes like we've seen a lot of in the last couple of years, because this is literally trauma

00:29:05.840 for both parties being laid bare in front of the world and Johnny himself has like broken down on

00:29:11.460 the sand a couple of times and he has to listen back to all these awful recordings that we are

00:29:15.820 privy to it was like a private argument and now I myself have heard them on Twitter like so obviously

00:29:22.020 it's a very tough time for them and their families and I always want to recognize especially when we

00:29:29.400 talk about stories like this it's not just how we talk about Johnny and Amber but it's like the

00:29:35.020 flow and effects for other people who are victim survivors of violence of any sort like this

00:29:40.520 is really important the way we talk about it because it's not just about these two individuals

00:29:44.640 it's about a whole community okay so one topic we love talking about on culture club is girl boss

00:29:57.640 sentiment we love talking about the changing face of work and career especially as two ambitious

00:30:03.340 women i would say but between me and you jazz and also with some of our other friends we've kind of

00:30:09.980 had conversations around how the allure and the shine of korea is somewhat fading or at least

00:30:16.000 changing shape yes the great resignation widespread burnout anti-girlboss sentiment and the pandemic

00:30:22.580 are all things that have fed this fatigue that we are seeing in our circles and online as well

00:30:28.060 we recently saw a tiktok trend and you wrote about it for refinery 29 that is about treating your

00:30:34.020 full-time job as a side hustle the tiktok user kimmy says quote i'm on a mission of reframing

00:30:40.320 how i think about work and considering my full-time job to actually be my part-time job

00:30:45.400 and life to be my full-time job what am i going to do for myself tomorrow am i going to work out

00:30:50.960 am i going to talk to a friend am i going to go on a walk so we actually both saw this video

00:30:56.300 quite a few weeks ago now and at the time we kind of both like chatted about it was like oh my god

00:31:02.380 this is such a great reframing of ideas it's changed how I've been this past week but I want

00:31:08.520 to know like a few weeks on has this stuck with you has this kind of mentality shift actually

00:31:13.960 made any difference I think it has I mean it's hard to say because we've had like two weeks of

00:31:19.500 public holidays so I think that does make an impact um but I definitely try have been getting

00:31:27.620 up earlier so getting up at like 7 rather than 8 15 um and going for a walk before work making

00:31:36.360 sure I go get a coffee and um maybe like doing meditation or yoga before work and then after

00:31:42.360 work like trying to make plans during the week with friends just to like have something to look

00:31:46.980 forward to and to make sure I'm making the most of my time and remembering that work like a full-time

00:31:53.000 job should only really be eight hours a day and you have time around that so obviously it's also

00:31:59.760 coming from a place of privilege neither of us have children you know we are just really focusing

00:32:04.820 on ourselves right now so yeah what about you I mean yeah I loved it when I first saw this video

00:32:13.080 and it was a really nice mindset shift because I was like okay I'm just and it was always small

00:32:18.640 things right it was like yeah like you mentioned going for a walk or maybe baking something or

00:32:22.420 calling a friend and that like became highlights of the day also going for a run gotta mention

00:32:28.720 but then I think it like it's just not affordable for so many people because in the past couple of

00:32:35.040 weeks I've been doing like a lot more let's say freelance work so I literally it feels like you

00:32:40.320 just don't have the time for this um but there are some people in the comments of the tiktok video

00:32:47.040 who praise it as well one comment read i've been doing this for about a year and my mental health

00:32:53.740 has greatly improved i schedule my hobbies like their work it's tough but doable um another

00:32:59.620 comment read last spring i started thinking of my full-time job as one of my clients now i'm fully

00:33:05.680 self-employed like i dreamt of mindset shifts work yeah i think mindset shift is the actual

00:33:11.940 thing here like it's kind of under a veil of a tiktok thing but like really is just about

00:33:16.720 reframing your time and your energy like unless you're really rich you have to work so like it's

00:33:25.080 kind of like making the best of it right yeah and like the reason why because this isn't

00:33:30.260 groundbreaking right like what I found really intriguing was kind of having this mindset shift

00:33:36.320 in the like bucket category of work as well because work is just so central to our lives

00:33:41.300 and I kind of like how this trend doesn't dismiss that or be like just don't care like work should

00:33:45.920 be nothing but it like recognizes that wait we spend so much time and energy into work shouldn't

00:33:52.180 we put that into ourselves which is yeah kind of what I wrote about for R29 as well. So something

00:33:57.800 I've been talking about to you and our friend and colleague Tiffany is that I've started meditating

00:34:04.620 more which I used to never be able to do because I would kind of it's like what you've been talking

00:34:10.720 about on social media as well about like letting yourself change and saying like oh I hate footy

00:34:17.340 like I'm not sporty and then like actually we're enjoying like going to footy or like you used to

00:34:23.620 shop fast fashion and now you don't like those things I used to always be like my brain's too

00:34:29.020 busy to meditate like I'm just too extroverted I just my brain never shuts up I'm too anxious

00:34:34.160 like I'm just not good at it and like I've tried to start it up again but without this pressure of

00:34:41.760 like oh my brain needs to be completely silent I can't have a single thought if I think about

00:34:45.980 what I'm having for lunch that day then I've like stuffed up and you know what was even the point

00:34:50.740 I kind of ease into it by listening to meditation stuff on Spotify when I wake up and I'm still

00:34:57.100 laying in bed and it's nice because I just don't put pressure on myself and I'm just like

00:35:01.220 I'm just going to listen to this and try to meditate and try to they're kind of all around

00:35:06.060 like gratitude and like thinking positively and I just try to listen to them before I start my day

00:35:13.040 and sometimes I do really well and other times I'm barely listening and I'm just thinking about

00:35:18.160 my life but um I think reframing that as well of like starting hobbies and new experiences

00:35:25.140 without the pressure that you have to be amazing at it straight away or even any good at all like

00:35:30.560 it should only really be for you anyway has also been something I've learned this year as well

00:35:36.100 oh no I love it and um I feel that as well I think there's something so freeing and it's such

00:35:43.940 a nice feeling starting something new or being in a space where you actually don't know what you're

00:35:48.580 doing that's why I actually really enjoyed going to the footy the other week and I was like I don't

00:35:52.780 understand the rules but I love not knowing and kind of just being there for the vibes or just

00:35:58.880 you know there's like the space to grow and to learn same as the other week I did some tufting

00:36:03.980 which is like you know those cool like happy rugs that you see sorry I'm just like doing weird hand

00:36:09.560 movements but um like the fluffy kind of woolen rugs that was so fun to kind of just do and kind

00:36:16.860 of make it poorly and like it didn't look very good but i was like oh that's okay like other

00:36:20.500 people came in with pinterest boards that they had spent hours curating and had like such a

00:36:24.680 a goal at the end of their head like you know they had such a goal for this purpose

00:36:30.860 and i didn't have that and i was like oh so nervous but i was like let's just create let's

00:36:35.380 just do let's just do I love that I think that's something we are getting better at this year

00:36:43.140 I'm proud of us I'm proud of us too and I mean this is a natural segue to let our followers know

00:36:49.560 that we are taking a little break a little maybe three week break mid-autumn I guess break it's

00:36:56.900 not even winter yet um yeah so we will be back and sorry we have recommendations not going yet

00:37:05.380 it is time for recommendations is there something that you've read watched or listened to that you

00:37:14.900 want to share yes last monday easter monday i took my 10 year old cousin to the movies in melbourne

00:37:21.620 to see the lost city so if you haven't heard about it the lost city is a kind of action comedy movie

00:37:29.720 starring Sandra Bullock Channing Tatum Brad Pitt Daniel Radcliffe no not the rock oh my god why

00:37:38.400 do I not know this so sorry continue oh I feel so bad I was just silently judging you the whole

00:37:45.520 time like oh my god you got you went to see like what like Jumanji yeah Jumanji um is that the one

00:37:53.000 i'm so sorry well it's kind of similar vibe so i don't blame you but the plot is reclusive author

00:37:59.840 loretta sage played by sandra bullock is a writer who writes about exotic places in her romance

00:38:08.080 adventure novels and they kind of they're kind of like erotic fantasy novels and they feature

00:38:15.360 a handsome cover model named alan who is played by channing tatum so while they're on tour promoting

00:38:21.700 her new book Loretta gets kidnapped by an eccentric billionaire aka Daniel Radcliffe who is kind of

00:38:28.920 meant to be like um like a Murdoch son so he's part of the Fairfax funnily enough Fairfax media

00:38:35.860 empire which is a media publication like a media business in Australia so I'm surprised they could

00:38:41.940 use that anyway so it's meant to be like the Murdoch empire he's a son and his brother got

00:38:48.540 given like the family business and so he wants something of his own and he kidnaps her because

00:38:55.560 he hopes that she can lead him to an ancient city's lost treasure from her latest story

00:39:00.920 you find out in the um through the movie that she's not just a romantic novelist she knows

00:39:09.060 hieroglyphics and she knows how to read um ancient carvings and she's you know has this university

00:39:14.480 education so determined to prove that alan can be a hero in real life and not just a pretty face

00:39:22.000 he sets out to rescue her and it is such a funny movie it's it's light-hearted and

00:39:30.900 but also really sweet and endearing and there's a good amount of action to kind of keep you on

00:39:37.700 the edge of your seat there were some points where i actually had to turn away because like

00:39:40.940 you know they were like going through little caves and i'm like so claustrophobic or like

00:39:44.940 you know in those classic movies where like the water is filling up the cave and you're like oh

00:39:49.520 my god how are they going to get out stuff like that but then channing tatum is also so sweet and

00:39:54.720 he kind of his character reminds me a little bit of his character from she's a man where just that

00:40:00.200 kind of like well towards the end of she's a man where he's like just very sweet and open

00:40:05.180 danny radcliffe is very funny as a billionaire he keeps his british accent which um

00:40:10.260 adds to, you know, that whole aesthetic. But yeah, if you're wanting something that doesn't

00:40:15.680 take too much brainpower to think about, there's no kind of overarching mess, like super serious

00:40:22.720 message. It's just one of those movies that you know what's going to happen. You know, it's going

00:40:27.740 to be tied up in a neat little bow, but there's a lot of twists and turns where I was like, this is

00:40:31.540 the end of the movie. They finished it and like things just keep happening. It's also not totally

00:40:35.780 predictable as well so there you go loved it would watch again oh my god no i actually want

00:40:41.060 to watch it now yeah it's so good and it's actually performed pretty well in the box office

00:40:45.980 as well i was like looking up numbers for something else and yeah it's doing well so

00:40:50.580 they're onto something yeah and what are you recommending today what have you watched listened

00:40:55.440 to loved that you want to share well if you're looking for something that you kind of do need

00:40:59.500 to think about it does have overarching themes unlike the lost city i would love to recommend

00:41:05.640 everything, everywhere, all at once. This is a new A24 film that was only released in Australia

00:41:13.360 a couple weeks ago now, and I loved it so much. So basically, I'm going to only give like very

00:41:21.660 little of the plot away. I went in not even watching the trailer, so I knew nothing.

00:41:26.440 But it is about a Chinese-American immigrant woman played by Michelle Yeoh, who struggles to 0.98

00:41:33.100 keep her laundromat afloat her family together and her taxes in order while she grapples with

00:41:39.760 the collapse of the multiverse which she is in charge of saving so i know you just a little bit

00:41:45.700 scoffed there so it is very much not scoff but like more just like jesus like that's poor woman

00:41:52.800 grappling to save the universe like that's heavy oh i know i know um that is immigrant 0.95

00:42:00.260 mums for you i feel like that is what they all are like um but yeah it is a messy film in the 1.00

00:42:08.240 sense of you know it's like marvel meets minari meets the matrix meets turning red like you know

00:42:14.440 there's very much that sci-fi fantasy element yeah it's also rooted in um i guess family values and

00:42:22.080 like asian storylines and whatnot so yeah i watched it a week ago and i kid you not i have

00:42:28.120 not stop thinking about it. It's literally my thoughts every day. It's quirky and it flips

00:42:34.200 what we accept as reality on its head and just kind of offers a new perspective, I think. But

00:42:40.240 the biggest thing for me, I think, was the central storylines that focused on Asian women as well as

00:42:45.840 a queer child of immigrants. I wrote about the movie for R29 and also actually had a question

00:42:53.600 box on my Instagram story wanting to hear what people thought if they had seen it I found it

00:42:59.060 super interesting seeing the difference between white people and people of color that's to say

00:43:05.140 that everyone did enjoy it in my question box but a lot of the commentary from people without

00:43:10.380 the lived experience it was more like oh great film like so entertaining like wow this was such

00:43:15.940 a fun film which is all true but then I feel like people who might you know have had more lived

00:43:21.660 experience was like this changed my world view like i'm balling like this was really like impactful

00:43:28.240 to see you know it was like it was interesting like that's just an observation that's not like

00:43:32.180 a bad thing right even i was talking to tom about it and he was like oh it's almost like a jealousy

00:43:37.240 of just being able to watch a movie and just have it as entertainment not necessarily like a dagger

00:43:43.380 to the heart yeah um i did want to just read out a little bit from the article just to summarize

00:43:50.500 some thoughts as well as just to yeah give some perspective on how other people like on TikTok

00:43:55.980 felt about it too. Videos of TikTok users sobbing uncontrollably in the cinemas because of the

00:44:02.540 film's gut punch portrayal of the relationship between an immigrant mother and her daughter

00:44:07.120 have made the rounds. To top it off a track by Japanese-American cult musician Mitsuki known for

00:44:12.840 her poetic tear-inducing lyricism plays in the credits. At the center of this messy fast-paced

00:44:19.280 and farcical film is a tug and pull between Wang and her daughter Joy, a relationship that has a

00:44:26.320 power to tear down multiple universes. It's almost laughable that this is what it comes to, that the

00:44:32.600 world hangs in the balance because of a fractured mother-daughter relationship, but it's something

00:44:37.500 that's overwhelmingly common. Throw in queerness and this fraught relationship is almost to be 0.76

00:44:43.320 expected in some communities. For a queer Chinese woman like myself, there were parts of this film

00:44:49.100 that were difficult to watch the seesaw of seeking approval from your parents and honoring your own

00:44:54.440 identity does feel earth shattering so yeah I definitely want to recommend this film it's in

00:45:00.800 cinemas now um yeah really really really loved it and I think a lot of people will enjoy it

00:45:07.720 I'm like scared to watch it because I'm scared I'm gonna cry so much I saw a quote from the movie

00:45:14.260 on tiktok it's kind of been doing the rounds it's in another universe i would have loved to

00:45:19.100 have just done taxes and laundry with you that quote made me tear up already i'm like i don't

00:45:24.700 think i'm prepared for the movie yeah that was when i lost it right shaking like a pivotal moment

00:45:31.300 yeah um it's so lovely so i think you should watch it it is like very fantasy-esque and it's

00:45:38.140 like a little bit horror like if you listen to the soundtrack it's like so intense but

00:45:41.960 i think you can do it thank you if you can i can because we're both babies i had to look up there

00:45:47.700 was like in one part i was like ah like cover my ears cover my eyes oh wow that's okay

00:45:52.180 that's that for a couple of weeks we're gonna have a little break but hopefully we have enough

00:46:01.300 episodes for you guys to listen back to listen to the interview with alira love that chat listen

00:46:06.400 to the interview with wendy seyfried from rise especially if you're feeling down about um eco

00:46:11.300 anxiety and climate change especially after earth day very depressing but aside from that you'll see

00:46:17.000 us online yes keep well thank you again for listening and we can't wait to be back in your

00:46:23.000 ears later on bye

Culture Club - April 26, 2022

The Voyeurism Of Celeb Trials

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