Culture Club - Vile Vlog Squad

00:00:00.000 The boat that stopped world trade and birthed a million memes, how Lil Nas X is changing

00:00:12.240 the music industry, and a breakdown of the allegations against David Dobrik and the Vlog

00:00:17.360 Squad.

00:00:18.380 We're Maggie and Jasmine, and this is Culture Club, our weekly chat about pop culture, current

00:00:23.860 affairs, the internet, and our lives.

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00:00:45.400 another week um i have no news this week nothing nothing exciting happened really

00:00:59.460 it was a very normal week in i love it it reminds me of those tweets and tiktoks it's like

00:01:06.140 no thoughts just hot or whatever you know you know what i'm talking about yeah kind of like that

00:01:13.080 no thoughts actually lots of thoughts just anxiety is more like it oh no maybe that's why I didn't do

00:01:19.600 much but I went to the footy again yesterday so I went to two games in a week you're a footy head

00:01:25.520 I know I was even hurt yesterday wait wait wait let me try guess did you go to the

00:01:32.280 wait wait wait did you go at night or in the afternoon I know I know who played

00:01:36.460 i went in the evening okay so um melbourne deep whatever blue and red

00:01:44.860 and was it st kilda yay oh my god that is such a rarity for me if anyone knows me in real life

00:01:53.820 i don't know much about footy very happy with myself yes well that's where i went and i normally

00:02:00.320 so i didn't grow up in victoria and you know when you move here that you like have to go for a footy

00:02:07.160 team um so i just went for who my grandparents go for which is north melbourne and when i'm

00:02:13.660 going for them i'm going for melbourne so i was wearing like my blue and red scarf had my hat

00:02:19.340 it was fun i like it i like the energy and it's nice to like be around like a crowd again and

00:02:27.180 to hear people cheering like I literally got goosebumps from like the booing and the cheering

00:02:31.380 and like the energy of it all it was really fun and then halfway through I realized that Ed Sheeran

00:02:36.780 was there and I was like yeah I wish I had some binoculars to like see if he was in the little

00:02:43.540 glass box um I had some hot chips yeah that was really fun it's nice to do something that's like

00:02:51.240 not related to my work or um yeah I went with family so it was like very wholesome that's so

00:02:58.140 wholesome I feel like we're kind of connected because for those who don't know AFL is in the

00:03:03.240 suburb of Richmond and I was there last night I was at the corner hotel at like 11 p.m onward so

00:03:09.240 just as the footy finished I arrived there it was packed to the rafters and it's kind of

00:03:15.940 embarrassing I've been in the same outfit for 24 hours now and I'm wearing what I wore last night

00:03:21.500 and it is this red knit top and blue pants so it looked like I was at the footy going for

00:03:28.860 Melbourne whatever I fit in jazz I fit in there love that but also the game wasn't held in

00:03:36.280 Richmond what it wasn't at the MCG no it was at Marvel oh god okay I love the energy though I

00:03:44.860 love the energy that you were so like excited to you know oh that's why traffic was good tom and i

00:03:51.820 were like oh my god like uber's gonna be trash everyone's coming home and then we were like wow

00:03:56.760 it's so empty so okay why but what what did you go out yeah you're proud of me um actually last

00:04:05.780 night was pesa which is jewish passover so we had a massive dinner with uh like tom's extended

00:04:12.280 family that was super cool I think it's the second time I've been and it's like such a different

00:04:18.120 experience to me for me I love learning about the different traditions and the customs associated

00:04:23.220 with it but yeah and then I went out to corner corner I was out past 1am which is a first for me

00:04:30.880 I don't stay out as you know so that was nice but yeah I also went to a music festival this week

00:04:38.040 in a covid first which is so weird but it was great um I've actually never been to a multi-day

00:04:45.800 festival I only go to one day once yeah me too I've never been to a multi-day did you camp or

00:04:51.000 no no because it was one day we stayed at what are you talking about I stayed at a very nice 0.78

00:04:55.820 airbnb slash like hotel and we left the festival a little bit early and went to like a bougie

00:05:02.200 restaurant for dinner and we came in like not acceptable clothing I think because we came from

00:05:07.720 the festival and i was like oh i don't think i don't think this is allowed but anyway it was

00:05:12.100 very nice who did you see jungle giants alice ivy a few dj sets so it was it was really funny it was

00:05:20.280 really it was really good we were split up into paddocks because of covid and like we were kind

00:05:25.140 of near the back because we came quite late um but it was nice because i do get a bit like anxious

00:05:30.420 and big crowd so it's actually nice having a smaller spot and being able to actually dance

00:05:35.420 and groove around so I enjoyed it. I'm going to another festival there next month as well so

00:05:41.540 catch me there soon. So one big news story that I've been thinking about for the last few days

00:05:52.220 has been the Suez Canal blockage and it's been everywhere in terms of every time I open my

00:06:00.380 TikTok app. There's like jokes being made about it. There's sea shanties happening. And then it's

00:06:06.020 also like in the mainstream news as well. So have you heard about this? I am honestly the worst

00:06:12.520 person for this segment because I was off my phone when most of this news broke. So I just

00:06:19.060 jumped on Twitter and I saw a tweet like, rarely do good boats make history or something like that.

00:06:25.240 And I was like, that is so random.

00:06:26.720 Okay.

00:06:27.420 Okay, Twitter, go off.

00:06:29.840 So I don't know much about this.

00:06:32.040 So I am very excited for you to tell me what's up.

00:06:34.440 Okay, so basically a 400-meter long and 200,000-tonne vessel

00:06:39.880 became wedged in the Suez Canal.

00:06:43.140 Now, the Suez Canal is the main waterway that was built in Egypt in 1869

00:06:49.500 and it connects the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea.

00:06:53.580 So that means it connects trade as well from Europe to the Indian and Western Pacific Oceans.

00:06:59.840 So obviously very important.

00:07:02.140 And if you can't get through that way, you can take another route basically down past Africa.

00:07:08.520 And that can take either eight to ten days or up to two weeks.

00:07:12.680 So obviously this is a very, very important trade route for the world's trade.

00:07:16.720 So on Tuesday, the ship called the Ever Given, which is owned by Japan, got stuck.

00:07:24.620 Some people said it was because of the high winds and a dust storm, while the Suez Canal

00:07:30.620 Authority said it could have been human error.

00:07:33.340 But that will get brought up in the investigation.

00:07:36.300 So there's now, just sitting there, 300 vessels with international cargo just waiting.

00:07:42.160 And some analysts have said that there could be an impact on oil product if the block continues.

00:07:48.000 12% of global trade goes through this route, so it's very essential.

00:07:53.540 And according to the BBC, the blockage is holding up $9.6 billion US dollars of goods each day, which equals $400 million per hour.

00:08:05.880 Jeff Bezos could never. 0.51

00:08:08.440 So, I mean, it's quite ridiculous.

00:08:10.480 and there are lots of jokes being made about it i was like laughing at them for sure until you sent

00:08:17.700 me jackie alexander's instagram story where she posted an article by business insider that said

00:08:24.560 there are about 20 cargo ships with cattle and livestock on them and that if these this blockage

00:08:32.840 doesn't get removed then they'll starve and die and it's one of those things where i didn't even

00:08:38.980 think about that it's just you get swept up in like the memes and the jokes of it all but like

00:08:45.380 it's a quite a serious thing that's happening what do you think about it now I've explained

00:08:50.120 a little bit more yeah it's an interesting one because this story has kind of made me feel like

00:08:55.640 a little bit of a diss because I feel like I'm not very knowledgeable about economics and geography

00:09:01.400 and I was I didn't even realize I was like oh yeah things are still being transported via

00:09:06.660 waterways I didn't even that didn't even click with me that's just so kind of it feels very far

00:09:11.840 removed from my life but obviously it's not and it also just sounds funny because obviously we're a

00:09:17.920 very technology driven society we can literally get microchipped and there's self-tying sneakers

00:09:24.720 but we're still using transportation that was built in 1869 which maybe that's very naive and

00:09:33.120 ignorant on me but I didn't really clock that I was like oh I'm sure we have very fast very fast

00:09:39.140 and efficient ways of doing stuff which I'm sure this was until this moment yeah it is something

00:09:45.400 that you don't think about in your everyday life but my friend has messaged me because I posted

00:09:52.040 about this on my story and she works in the maritime industry and she says the industry is

00:09:58.100 stressed and that another potential economic crisis is incoming because of it which I hadn't

00:10:04.640 seen she says the like international maritime people have made a statement so it's like quite

00:10:11.180 a serious story and especially with the livestock stuff that made me think like oh maybe I shouldn't

00:10:16.920 be laughing at this like especially being vegetarian my whole life but it kind of got me

00:10:21.300 thinking about how millennials and gen z's especially kind of use memes and tiktoks and

00:10:28.080 twitter etc to laugh about things that are serious like we've been exposed to so much and every day

00:10:34.860 we're exposed to more information than our even our great grandparents would have been exposed to

00:10:40.100 in the whole lives so because of the like desensitization to all this news coming in all

00:10:44.980 the time i think that we make jokes about it because it's so ridiculous it's out of our control

00:10:51.160 who knows what the ramifications are going to be after living through the global pandemic

00:10:55.420 where everything is uncertain what else can you do except laugh what do you think yeah it's

00:11:03.800 definitely a coping mechanism right I think that's how a lot of people go through life

00:11:09.080 using humor to make light of serious things even in the personal life not necessarily big

00:11:15.000 world events I also think it's a digestible and more accessible way of getting information it's

00:11:23.780 at least more entertaining that's obvious because imagine your tiktok feed just full of news like

00:11:30.620 hard news reports on this canal thing you'd probably just skip through it so my friend

00:11:37.140 Matilda Bosley she works at the Guardian and she is also head of their like the Guardian tiktok

00:11:43.620 she made a video about this and it's got 1.2 million views. Hers is less of a joke. It is more

00:11:50.820 kind of telling hard news in a entertaining and easy to understand way. But then there's also

00:11:55.540 been jokes about as well. So it's such a crazy situation. Maybe that's the way that we process

00:12:01.060 information these days as well. Yeah. And I think a few weeks ago now when Facebook had that media

00:12:07.280 ban of Australian news outlets, it kind of proves that we're in kind of media bubbles. We love the

00:12:13.160 media because we're we're in it we write we consume content etc but I don't think that the

00:12:19.500 average person is the same and there are so many hurdles for people to be engaged in news for

00:12:27.360 instance it might be a lot of jargon it might be behind paywalls it might just not be of interest

00:12:33.160 of them it's hard to get a hold of but I think having news presented in a way that's engaging

00:12:41.280 informative maybe funny that's great it's kind of connecting to the masses more like tiktok users

00:12:48.040 who might not read the news will still get information like this yeah but then you get

00:12:52.160 into the argument of you have to check your sources and you can't just believe everything

00:12:56.580 you see on tiktok all that stuff like oh yeah the way people deliver things is so believable

00:13:01.860 i've seen jokes where someone's like did you know that the word podcast comes from the latin

00:13:08.880 something something and they go on and then they're like just kidding don't believe everything

00:13:12.420 you see I'm like oh my god and I started being that's so interesting so you know you've got to

00:13:17.960 be careful but that's another topic I think reputableness of sources and trying to weave

00:13:25.520 through the internet and try find out and trying to find out what's true and what's not true is so

00:13:30.200 difficult for instance in Queensland just last night there was a new like corona case and we

00:13:35.920 were all told that oh this guy while he was awaiting his test results he held a party of

00:13:42.140 for 25 people and then this like the next day it turned out that wasn't true and I was like oh wow

00:13:48.380 okay it's it's very hard sometimes because I did come from a reputable source the moral of the

00:13:54.800 story is the ship is still stuck check your sources don't believe everything you see on

00:14:02.200 TikTok. But also if you get your information from someone that's fun and it's joking, you do you.

00:14:11.460 Before this next segment, we would like to pop in a content warning. We'll be talking about

00:14:16.740 sexual assault and rape. So today we'll be talking about the current downfall of David Dobrik,

00:14:23.120 who is a leader of the vlog squad on YouTube, which has been the subject of a number of sexual

00:14:29.300 assault allegations in the past few weeks so if you've never heard of David or the vlog squad

00:14:35.880 we'll break it down for you I just want to know Jazz had you heard of David and had you watched

00:14:41.480 any of his videos before so I had heard of him because I participate in internet culture but

00:14:47.000 I hadn't actively watched anything like I'd seen bits and pieces mostly on TikTok I remember when

00:14:53.860 him and liza broke up that was a big deal but i kind of was like i remember that so this drama i

00:15:02.000 guess has kind of been the first time that i've um really really probably looked into him like i

00:15:07.880 thought he was about three years older than me he's six weeks older than me he's only 24 oh my

00:15:12.280 goodness yeah so yeah basically david was one of the original vine stars so vintage now he started

00:15:20.160 uploading videos in 2013 and on Vine he collaborated with a number of other stars including

00:15:26.580 Liza who I just mentioned, Jason Nash and Gabby Hanna. After Vine closed down he moved over to

00:15:34.240 YouTube where he was a part of the group called Second Class and then he launched his own YouTube

00:15:39.640 account in 2015 which is where he's kind of really blown up. So the time of recording he has 8.2

00:15:47.120 billion views over his content and 18.4 million subscribers. As of February it was 18.9 and he's

00:15:55.220 lost you know quite a few hundred thousand because of all of their stuff. This is so wild and just a

00:16:02.420 rundown of his content as well if people aren't too familiar. He's known for posting videos that

00:16:08.260 are exactly four minutes and 20 seconds. Very mature, love it. But his content is super fast

00:16:14.920 pace and it is full of wild things you know in one video it would not be surprising if he buys

00:16:21.640 his friend a car and then meets a famous celebrity and then does some wild prank and also like a

00:16:27.440 skateboarding challenge where he gives out free merch to pass the buyers it's really fast paced

00:16:33.500 full-on i don't even know how to describe it it's kind of like pranky that like youtube prank style

00:16:39.180 right where all of the titles of his videos are in caps lock and it's like i did this like super

00:16:44.120 fast like go go go i read that the verge which is a technology publication described it as like

00:16:50.760 the tv show friends but for vloggers so it's like they've created this kind of sitcom life

00:16:55.320 and the vlog squad they're all friends they all know each other wall street journal also called

00:17:00.880 him gen z's jimmy fallon um a year ago the same publication the verge credited him for successfully

00:17:07.760 bringing the podcast to youtube the podcast format so like a video podcast yeah i found it

00:17:13.880 interesting that back in October 2019 and April 2020, he was listed as the most popular media

00:17:20.420 personality among teenagers, according to a survey. And even throughout lockdown for most of

00:17:27.120 last year, he didn't post for months as well. And his views continued, of course, to increase and

00:17:33.680 increase. And only recently, when I was watching his vlogs just before all these allegations came

00:17:39.800 out like he moved to another incredibly massive house his old house before that is um on

00:17:46.940 architectural digest as well and you'll see how affluent and wealthy he really is it's wild but

00:17:53.180 yeah another random fact that you showed really befuddled me apparently um people mag named him

00:17:59.780 the sexiest heartthrob of the year over harry styles and sean mendez what but that just proves

00:18:07.140 He's won Nickelodeon Choice Awards and he presented one of the American Music Awards.

00:18:13.420 So it's kind of like, yeah, he has a lot of power and influence.

00:18:17.800 So you've got this whole community of super wealthy, famous young people.

00:18:23.380 They grew up on the internet from the age of 18 to now their mid-20s.

00:18:28.560 They put their lives on the internet for years.

00:18:31.160 And what could go wrong, right?

00:18:33.420 so in this segment we will be going through the allegations and then the subsequent apologies and

00:18:41.080 i guess aftermath that have come about in the past few weeks back in february of this year

00:18:48.220 a former vlog squad member seth francois accused david of sexual assault after he was tricked into

00:18:54.940 kissing jason nash while blindfolded he also accused a group of racism because he's the only

00:19:00.500 black person in the group. So he felt pressure to participate in things that came up as culturally

00:19:06.620 insensitive. Yeah. And kind of describing the culture that David created being the leader,

00:19:13.720 Francois said in another podcast that he was fearful of being seen as like a letdown or like

00:19:18.980 not one of them if he wasn't willing to do something for a video. He said, quote,

00:19:24.020 it was an unwritten thing where you see a pattern of people saying, yo, I'm uncomfortable with this.

00:19:28.960 then all of a sudden they disappear and they're not in videos anymore yeah and that's not the

00:19:33.980 only case as well um my friend is obsessed with trisha paytas and watches her videos a lot i

00:19:39.960 haven't but apparently um she talks about david in this sense as well and the fact that a lot of

00:19:46.160 his skits and pranks are very scripted so he'll get people to you know refilm things and it's

00:19:51.740 very contrived as well and it seems like he does of course hold all the power because it is his

00:19:56.900 channel. And also in the same month, another former member, Nick Kaswani, accused David of

00:20:03.320 bullying him. So there has been talk over the past few months of like bullying and these things

00:20:08.940 coming out. This month, however, things took an even more serious turn when a woman came forward

00:20:14.740 to publication Business Insider and accused Vlog Squad member Dom Zegledes of rape. The woman who

00:20:21.320 is going by the pseudonym of Hannah, was 20 at the time of filming in 2018 and said she was an

00:20:27.620 extra in one of David's vlogs. Some of her university friends had been DMing Dom over

00:20:32.700 Instagram according to transcripts that were provided by BI. Dom said he wanted to quote

00:20:38.580 hook up with the students and some of Hannah's friends were interested. According to the article

00:20:42.740 Hannah says that her friends watched the vlog squad and they knew that Dom's quote character

00:20:47.360 was a sex addict but they didn't know where the character started and ended and they weren't sure

00:20:53.180 if they were actually going to be having sex that night some of the messages stay quote the sexy 0.82

00:20:58.140 stuff won't be in the vlog right so that's from the students and then dom said quote might need

00:21:03.260 to take a pic just to show dave so he believes me haha so dom was 23 at the time and is referring

00:21:10.460 to david dobrik in those texts yeah so hannah went on and told business insider that members 0.66

00:21:17.280 of the vlog squad supplied them with alcohol when they were underage and then dom raped her after

00:21:23.640 she was too incapacitated to consent david filmed hannah and her friends at the apartment and as she

00:21:29.560 was going into the bedroom with dom david then uploaded the footage to youtube as a threesome

00:21:34.780 plot titled in all caps she should not have played with fire exclamation mark exclamation mark

00:21:40.740 david said that hannah consented to like being filmed and then the next day he messaged her and

00:21:48.840 said are you okay if i use the footage from last night and she said yes so that's why he put it up

00:21:53.700 and then a few days or weeks later she felt uncomfortable and asked it to be deleted but

00:21:59.100 it had already received five million views they go into this article they go into a lot of

00:22:05.280 detail about that night it's quite confronting hannah has basically said everything that happened

00:22:12.340 that her friends had to help her walk afterwards like she couldn't she was so drunk she couldn't

00:22:18.060 walk she was slurring her words um she felt coerced you know she was definitely not coherent

00:22:26.240 enough to consent at all and this is like a power dynamic like even if she consented to the footage

00:22:32.680 being used like she's 20 these guys yeah they're in the early 20s as well but like they're very

00:22:37.940 very wealthy very powerful influential people so like she obviously felt this pressure and I think

00:22:44.900 that's what the other vlog squad is coming forward as well like I'm talking about the bullying they're

00:22:50.400 saying that it's this culture that's like the issue as well yeah let's get into the apology

00:22:56.020 before we go into David's apology Dom also posted one on his channel and all the comments about it

00:23:04.300 are like this isn't an apology at all he kept labeling it like YouTube drama and honestly it

00:23:11.360 was just despicable and it was by no means acceptable at all but yeah let's look at David's

00:23:17.780 because he has posted a couple videos at a time one day after this business insider article is

00:23:25.060 published david posts a 2.5 minute not even a song songs worth um youtube video on his account

00:23:33.820 titled let's talk but it wasn't on his main account where he has you know a billion subscribers

00:23:39.420 it's on his views account which is like his second podcast account that he hosts with

00:23:44.200 jason nash who is 45 by the way not being ageist but like bit weird that you're 45 and you're

00:23:50.180 hanging out with like 20 year olds oh it's like a really it's such a weird dynamic when you

00:23:54.920 watch it I still don't understand and a lot of the time like you know he hangs out with like

00:23:59.480 charlie d'amelio and and other people it's I'm just so confused by it but anyway and he dated

00:24:05.720 Trish Paytas and that's the connection there by the way what yeah oh my god I was trying to figure

00:24:10.160 out I feel like when I was doing all this research I honestly felt like the meme of like the guy with

00:24:15.540 the whiteboard and like all the clippings like going everywhere yeah it was a bit like that

00:24:19.280 um so yeah trish and jason dated for a few years and like that's how trisha is like involved with

00:24:26.560 the vlog squad and um why she can like say so much about them now is because she was kind of like

00:24:31.100 yeah so back to the apology david is yeah it's huddled let's talk but then he turns his comments

00:24:38.300 off in the video he says that when people no longer want to be involved with videos that like

00:24:44.180 they might have participated in a year or two ago he deletes them because he doesn't want it

00:24:47.920 pen and want to feel uncomfortable. He says he doesn't work with Dom anymore because he doesn't

00:24:52.740 align with some of his actions. And he says he hasn't worked with him for two years since 2018.

00:24:58.700 We'll just put a little bit of the video in here. And with people in my life that I don't film with

00:25:05.100 anymore, like Dom and, you know, the other people that I no longer film with, I chose to distance

00:25:11.640 myself because i don't align with some of the actions and i don't i don't stand for any kind

00:25:19.720 of misconduct and i i'm i was just i've been really disappointed by some of my friends

00:25:25.400 and for that reason i've separated from a lot of them in my opinion i don't know him well enough

00:25:32.020 to like know his vibe but this to me doesn't feel genuine it felt very like he's removing himself

00:25:39.300 from the allegations and is just like one step removed rather than taking responsibility as the

00:25:46.800 like leader of this kind of culty vlog squad yeah and I think it kind of ties into the conversations

00:25:54.040 we've had about boys like boys clubs and kind of just offending their mates or not even realizing

00:26:01.720 that anything is wrong with their behavior David I think from the few videos I've watched of his

00:26:07.820 he falls into that kind of like average white guy that's funny jokes around kind of like the

00:26:13.720 nice guy narrative and that's where it becomes dangerous of course yeah it's that thing of like

00:26:18.540 oh well that that person's doing something wrong so i'm gonna like distance myself from them rather

00:26:24.100 than calling your mates out but let's go on with the second apology video so on march 23rd um he

00:26:32.160 uploaded the second one the title of the video is just the date which is a bit okay this one is 7.5

00:26:39.440 minutes and i feel like it's a bit more accountability he believe in within one minute

00:26:46.660 he says he believes the woman who came forward about dom um he has trigger warnings at the start

00:26:52.220 he also like mutes out the words rape and sexual assault throughout which i found interesting okay

00:26:57.260 he acknowledges that the woman gave consent for the footage to be posted because she felt like

00:27:03.200 she had to give the consent because of his fame and influence um not because she wanted to so i'm

00:27:09.380 glad that he recognized that and verbalized it the next day i got consent to post the video even

00:27:16.360 though i got the consent to post that video i should have never posted it and i what i understand

00:27:22.620 now and I didn't understand before is that she sent that text because she felt like she had to

00:27:29.580 not because she wanted to and that's fucked up and I'm sorry when she later reached out a couple

00:27:36.400 months later to take the video down I immediately took it down and I want to apologize to her and 0.89

00:27:41.620 her friends for ever putting them in an environment that I enabled that made them feel like their

00:27:47.400 safety and values were compromised i'm so sorry have you watched it i watched some but i haven't

00:27:53.840 watched it all i'm glad that he was quite specific about this um this time around he also recognized

00:28:00.600 that he platformed dom and reinforced jokes about sexual assault as a follow-up he says he's taking

00:28:06.160 a short break from social media because he wants to create space where people don't feel afraid to

00:28:11.580 come forward when they feel uncomfortable and now as the consequences are unfolding you know

00:28:17.720 YouTube has now temporarily demonetized his account as well as Dom's lots of sponsors are

00:28:24.940 breaking relationships breaking ties with him now which I think is definitely something we have to

00:28:30.340 acknowledge because these allegations did come out a few weeks before he gave this second apology

00:28:37.360 and we have to ask is he doing it because he now realizes the extent of his own like

00:28:43.900 responsibility and actions or is it because he's feeling it hit his wallet yeah I've seen some

00:28:49.820 commentary around that as well and it's like the 2.5 minute one was it kind of felt like he this

00:28:55.300 was just another thing to like apologize for because you know they've done a few apology

00:29:00.520 videos in the past various things whereas now it felt like the second one was like much more serious

00:29:05.840 is that because of his sponsors you know falling away or is he being genuine in my opinion i felt

00:29:12.940 the second one was a lot more genuine the way he spoke about the woman who came forward and like

00:29:18.040 the culture that he's created it felt a bit more um like he was taking accountability for it

00:29:23.860 many fans have also been calling for beauty influencer james charles to also have his

00:29:29.640 account demonetized because of his actions there's been like a number of assault allegations against

00:29:34.160 him um he's also been like traveling everywhere during covid creating content on tiktok with the

00:29:41.460 d'amelios and like when there were hundreds of thousands of people dying from covid and

00:29:46.840 um you know then you've got influences like emma chamberlain and brett rockman who were just in

00:29:53.120 the houses like creating content by themselves so james charles also like fits into this vlog

00:29:58.380 world that we won't get into like his allegations as well but it's interesting that people calling

00:30:04.640 for his account to be demonetized as well yeah and i think this is like a big problem i have with

00:30:11.280 youtube drama and sorry i don't also want to say that i'm definitely not um saying that what's

00:30:16.520 happening with the vlog squad is just youtube drama in the sense that i feel that james charles

00:30:21.840 is in the news every second day I can't keep up like I get very confused about what we should be

00:30:30.640 focusing on so for instance YouTube drama makes up so much of YouTube content nowadays that we

00:30:36.800 kind of amplify maybe like catty behavior between YouTubers maybe what happened with James and Tati

00:30:43.140 even though I don't really know what happened with what's happening now with these like rape

00:30:47.900 allegations it just it's tiring because it's like oh maybe like someone copied someone's makeup

00:30:53.840 palette and that's massive drama but then this is also then considered drama I don't know how

00:31:00.380 to wear this properly no I get what you mean because in the first apology video David actually

00:31:06.400 says I missed the mark and he got called out for that because people like this isn't missing the

00:31:11.760 mark like this woman is gonna have to live with this for the rest of her life she's traumatized

00:31:16.420 she's kept this with her for three years nearly so he addressed that as well in in the second

00:31:22.960 apology video so i think it's interesting because david is seen as this like goofy funny quite

00:31:30.040 harmless guy as you said before he's one of the good ones yet he's still perpetuated and upheld

00:31:35.740 this rape culture and the sexism and especially after the tragic murder of sarah everard in the

00:31:43.220 uk just a few weeks ago there's been a lot more discussions lately around not just the men who

00:31:48.620 are actually going out and doing the raping and the murdering but what are the good guys doing

00:31:53.720 if they can just like record that like there's footage of guys standing outside the bedroom door 0.58

00:32:01.360 saying oh i'm getting horny from like listening to this and david has filmed that

00:32:06.400 cut it edited it and put it on the internet beforehand i was like oh no i want it taken

00:32:11.940 down now like who does that that's just that's weird to even film that in the first place even

00:32:19.540 if it's a joke like like why are you listening to your friends having sex i don't know if you're

00:32:24.700 watching a 20 year old woman get drunk to the point that she's slurring her words she's getting

00:32:29.480 taken into a bedroom you're recording it that's perpetuating rape culture no ways about it it's

00:32:35.420 not drama it's not funny it's being an active participant in sexual assault it's also uphold

00:32:42.220 upholding the patriarchy because of what we were saying before about how David was like oh but I

00:32:48.340 asked her if she consented to the video like going up but like of course she was gonna feel this like

00:32:55.160 power dynamic and like especially a patriarchal one if it's like majority of the vlog squad are

00:33:00.040 men and that pressures women saying yes to things when they really mean no yeah it's so disappointing

00:33:05.720 that people still have very one-note views on what consent is or what rape culture is and it

00:33:12.960 like come on i feel like we as women know that rape isn't just a stranger in an alleyway

00:33:18.860 we know that people are more likely to be assaulted by someone they know and that little

00:33:24.960 not even these aren't little microaggressions but in general little microaggressions from

00:33:31.180 words that people say the way that they interact with women the way they listen or

00:33:35.220 don't listen to women it all contributes to this culture and by only looking at the end problem of

00:33:44.500 rape that is neglecting all the warning signs that lead up to it and it's too it's too little 0.99

00:33:51.480 too late to turn around at the end and be like oh sorry I missed the mark no like it was your

00:33:56.880 responsibility to know what was happening while it was happening before it was happening and and

00:34:03.100 it wasn't like he posted a live stream video he actually went out and recorded it edited it

00:34:10.920 probably reviewed it probably had people reviewing the video and people still thought it was okay

00:34:15.740 we're also seeing this rape culture be played out in australian politics at the moment and i think

00:34:22.420 that's what made me kind of check out of the david saga until you know we wanted to talk about on

00:34:30.260 podcast because it's like where have men been like if you saw the tracy grimshaw scott morrison

00:34:35.180 interview she says the same thing he's like oh i'm real i'm learning i'm realizing that like

00:34:40.460 women are having these experiences this isn't quote this is just you know a general gist of

00:34:45.820 the interview and she's like but what are you talking about like where have you been this 0.99

00:34:49.860 this isn't a new issue this has been happening for centuries thousands of years women have been 0.78

00:34:58.260 seen as these like second-class citizens and how do you not know that it's wrong to like 1.00

00:35:03.880 to get a 20 year old you can't drink until you're 21 in the US how do you not know that that's wrong

00:35:08.000 to supply them with alcohol and then have your older buddies like take them into the room for

00:35:13.040 this like threesome plot like what going back to us politics the same thing with the liberal mp

00:35:19.080 andrew lambing who has now said he's going to step down from politics in the next election

00:35:24.480 but he had to go to empathy training because he was like bullying women online this is a person

00:35:31.820 representing a constituency in australia in queensland is and he needs training the fact

00:35:38.820 that he needs empathy training is ridiculous and same thing with like there's a whole number of

00:35:42.080 mps in parliament at the moment after britney higgins has come forward saying that she was 0.81

00:35:46.240 raped in parliament again we put we don't have time to like get into all of that stuff right now

00:35:51.000 we also have listeners who aren't australian but it's very interesting that all of these all this

00:35:56.940 culture is like coming out now and i'm glad that david is facing some consequences being the leader

00:36:03.420 of this group who have been perpetuating these sexual assault jokes yeah whether it's in our

00:36:10.380 parliament houses or in our youtube channels rape culture runs rampant it's just disgusting to see 0.90

00:36:18.120 in music news now this past week little nuzz x famous for his song old town road featuring 0.90

00:36:26.540 billy ray cyrus premiered his music video for montero call me by your name uh wait how does 0.84

00:36:32.220 what's old town road i take this toast on the old town road i said it just so i could hear you sing

00:36:39.120 it of course i know what it is i wrote the notes for this i mean it's not the first time that i've

00:36:46.360 sung on here so that's very true it is a heavily cgi animated music video which takes us from the

00:36:54.100 garden of montero a play on the garden of eden to a roman coliseum all the way to satan's underworld

00:37:00.880 and i love this song it's been stuck in my head for like two days and i'm obsessed i would say

00:37:06.920 it also gets better with each play when i first clicked onto the music video i was like oh my god

00:37:12.000 like what is this what is this um but with each watch i think it gets better and better i love it

00:37:19.420 it is so wild um in it Lil Nas X he has a lot of prosthetics on a lot of um like heavy makeup so

00:37:29.720 he's in different characters I think he plays almost every single character it's quite wild

00:37:35.040 yeah and it's also based off his his real name is Montero which I think is cool he's like sharing

00:37:42.100 more of himself to us than we first found in Old Town Road. But along with the video and the song

00:37:50.040 being released, he actually published a small letter to himself, which is really sweet. So

00:37:55.180 I'm going to read a bit out now. Dear 14-year-old Montero, I wrote a song with our name in it.

00:38:00.680 It's about a guy I met last summer. I know we promised to never come out publicly. I know we

00:38:06.300 promised to never be that type of gay person. I know we promised to die with a secret. But 1.00

00:38:11.980 this will open doors for many other queer people to simply exist. You see, this is very scary for

00:38:17.980 me. People will be angry. They will say I'm pushing an agenda. But the truth is, I am. The

00:38:24.060 agenda to make people stay the fuck out of other people's lives and stop dictating who they should 0.75

00:38:28.460 be. Sending you love from the future, LNX. How lovely was that? I also want to play the start 0.55

00:38:36.460 of the song where he has a little snippet introing montero in life we hide the parts of ourselves we

00:38:44.120 don't want the world to see we lock them away we tell them no we banish them but here we don't

00:38:54.220 welcome to montero

00:38:56.140 i'm so proud of him for doing this and releasing this i don't know if you've seen but in the past

00:39:06.100 oh by the way he's so good on twitter he has very funny commentary and tweets but a lot of

00:39:12.200 his fans are like i love him because he's like not overly gay or whatever and he gets a lot of

00:39:19.980 comments like that so it is very good to see him very out very proud um one other thing i want to

00:39:26.860 mention about this letter is that of course it's written to his younger self and all these silly

00:39:32.180 conservatives on twitter have not done their research and they're like i don't want to hear 0.95

00:39:36.900 about your relationship with a 14 year old what do you mean like blah blah blah blah blah and i'm

00:39:41.780 just like that's so gross like calm down calm down i don't want to profile them too much because

00:39:48.460 they probably love the attention but i did see one conservative on twitter um an american woman 0.50

00:39:55.020 saying that newsflash they banned president trump from social media but they didn't ban little nas

00:40:01.380 ex from riding a stripper pole straight to hell in thigh high boots just so he could ride baphomet 0.62

00:40:07.620 and his satanic altar all the way down old town road the song is named call me by your name because 0.60

00:40:13.680 the enemy is an identity thief when you sent me that i thought it was satire like i was genuinely

00:40:19.000 confused and i had to go through her profile to be like oh no i'm so sorry that this person has 0.70

00:40:24.920 a blue tick verification and is real someone's commented damn they're literally putting in our 0.97

00:40:31.240 faces how they're brainwashing the masses with satanic homosexual agenda but he's clapped back 0.98

00:40:36.920 he's amazing on twitter as you said he said y'all love saying we're going to hell but get upset when 0.86

00:40:42.040 i actually go there lmao i know and he also retweeted a tweet from one of his fans that read

00:40:49.400 lil naz's music video literally portrayed the fact that he isn't bothered with the idea of

00:40:54.640 going to hell if it means that he gets to accept who he is and his sexuality so we both read an

00:41:00.240 article by adam b very for variety which is titled little nas x's sex up montero video has changed 0.96

00:41:07.480 everything for queer music artists and it's a very good rundown of like how huge of a moment this is

00:41:14.680 for pop culture in general but also for queer people so adam is a 41 year old gay man and in

00:41:22.300 this article, he talks about how important this music video and song is to him. And we are so

00:41:28.460 happy to have Adam actually read out a few paragraphs on the piece. So here it is.

00:41:34.200 Last night, I saw something I didn't quite believe I ever would get to see. An openly

00:41:40.500 gay music superstar indulging in a sex and drugs and sin video fantasy. In his instantly viral 0.99

00:41:47.960 music video for his latest single, Montero, Call Me By Your Name, Lil Nas X is unabashedly queer 0.60

00:41:55.460 and unmistakably horny, literally and figuratively, ending with a barely clad Nas giving a lap dance 0.86

00:42:03.360 to the leather-clad devil before he snaps Lucifer's neck. I don't think it's possible for me, a 41-year-old 0.94

00:42:10.960 gay man, to overstate just how monumental it was to see a 21-year-old gay man express his sexuality

00:42:17.860 on exactly the same terms and at the same level of fame, success, and media attention

00:42:23.280 his straight counterparts have enjoyed for decades. Cut to little Nas X grinding on Seton's lap in 0.92

00:42:29.540 thigh-high sliletto boots, an image that made me feel old and young again all at once. When

00:42:36.220 debuting the video on Thursday night, Nas also posted a letter to his 14-year-old self

00:42:42.040 with words that resonated deeply for me, and I suspect many other LGBTQ people.

00:42:48.320 After decades of transposing our desires onto the fantasies projected by straight or occasionally 0.65

00:42:54.040 bisexual women, here's Lil Nas X providing gay men a sex idol all their own. The video is already 0.90

00:43:01.760 nearing 5 million views in roughly 24 hours. Any clutched pearls have been far, far unmatched by

00:43:08.360 fists pumped and streams run on repeat. I cannot wait to see what he's up to next and it seems I

00:43:15.020 am far from alone. That's fabulous news for Nas and for any other queer artists who wish to follow

00:43:21.240 in his footsteps. It's also perhaps bittersweet for the queer artists who've come before Nas

00:43:27.840 who could have hit these same heights would they were ever afforded the chance. So in this piece

00:43:34.620 I really liked how Adam went through kind of the history of gay men in music and how they are

00:43:39.700 portrayed and how their sexuality I guess has been portrayed in the media or how they themselves

00:43:45.360 choose to portray it and I'll read out a bit I really liked from the stripper pole short shorts

00:43:51.040 and pelvic undulations to the deliberately provocative religious imagery Naz evoked

00:43:56.780 everyone from Madonna and Janet Jackson to Nicki Minaj and Megan Thee Stallion and in doing so

00:44:03.280 could claim that he has every right to be just as brazen about his desires and titillating about

00:44:08.980 his body. But no music star who's achieved Nas's chart-topping, record-setting level of success

00:44:15.360 and also come out has attempted anything on the scale of what Nas is doing with Montero.

00:44:21.280 Instead, historically, gay men who'd reached a similar career pinnacle at roughly the same age

00:44:27.180 have either had to stay in the closet and sing about women, see New Kids on the Blocks,

00:44:31.960 jonathan knight in sync's lance bass and ricky martin or come out after establishing themselves

00:44:39.420 and keep their sexuality in vaguely pg territory if that see elson john george michael michael

00:44:46.960 stipe mika and again ricky martin that's what i thought when i first watched the music video i was

00:44:52.960 like oh my god i'd never seen a man be portrayed in this way yeah i've never seen a black man

00:45:01.100 embraced his femininity to that extreme in a music video before it was really refreshing and

00:45:07.080 really cool and I love the fact that he was playing on what he already knew certain people

00:45:14.840 would say about him and this song and all that um like you said I think it's very brave and

00:45:21.300 I'm excited for him to really shake shake it up and like be a trailblazer

00:45:27.520 for queer people in music to like be able to embrace their sexuality

00:45:33.940 and their desires and their fantasies and have creative fun with their songs

00:45:38.000 rather than trying to like, like you said,

00:45:40.500 all the quotes said with Ricky Martin and Sync and stuff,

00:45:44.120 they have still been trying to like get the female market

00:45:48.160 and be seen as sex symbols to women,

00:45:50.660 whereas now it's like he can be a sex symbol for men.

00:45:53.920 Yes, I feel like we've had this conversation

00:45:56.240 when Harry Styles was on the cover of Vogue and a dress and then we also put out a carousel on

00:46:02.040 our Instagram about black men who um I guess confront the gender norms of fashion and dressing 0.96

00:46:07.880 and we had some great BIPOC men um embracing their femininity and I'd love seeing Lil Nas X here 0.67

00:46:16.300 doing the same at I would say the height of his career he's 21 like I that is so wild like I 0.99

00:46:25.540 I'm 22 now but I'm just thinking about the guys I went to high school with and people my age and

00:46:32.820 let me tell you I don't think they would do this so I think it's a bold gutsy move he could have

00:46:39.040 easily fallen into like the other celebrities we just mentioned and kind of straight washed himself

00:46:45.580 if that's a thing and played the safe route but what he has done is really brave and I think he

00:46:53.700 is a very strong role model for a lot of young black queer boys out there and that's the thing

00:47:00.140 that the conservatives were saying though is that like because he old town road was such a big hit

00:47:05.400 for kids i don't think he was like meant to be so yeah like it's meant to be just like a pop song

00:47:11.760 right and then he like went into schools oh yeah duh i'm gonna ride till i can't come home or

00:47:19.100 something yeah he just loves his horse um but yeah he went into school a school and sang it

00:47:26.860 and so now the conservatives like taking that clip of him singing the song with all these kids

00:47:29.900 going crazy and being like this is pushing the agenda he's like and he said on twitter like

00:47:35.280 i'm not catering to your children like i am an adult and i'm going to make the content or

00:47:40.240 the music that i want to make so good for him we are little nazik stance

00:47:45.400 what do you have to recommend to us this week Maggie yes we're back in the YouTube world

00:47:52.780 because I am recommending a YouTube video I watch this week it is by Tiffany Ferg and it is called

00:47:59.320 why do popular YouTubers stop uploading and that is part of her internet analysis series which

00:48:05.600 as you can guess she analyzes things on the internet so Tiffany is a 25 year old New York

00:48:11.660 based media studies student who is well known for her internet videos exploring topics like

00:48:17.320 dotes influencer diversity the decline in relatability of youtubers and breaking down the

00:48:23.060 i'm not like other girls narratives i really love her videos i think they are very thoughtful

00:48:28.640 well researched entertaining and she's got a very good grasp i would say especially on the youtube

00:48:34.480 world so yeah love watching her videos this video in particular looks at how many youtubers become

00:48:41.500 super popular and then they stop posting and she goes into the potential reasons behind that

00:48:47.220 as a side note do you watch many youtubers jaz no i'm so not in that world and like i never really

00:48:54.640 was i don't know why um maybe i don't have the attention span but she looks really cool i haven't

00:49:01.120 heard of her before but i'm gonna follow her yeah i find that so interesting because i'm someone who

00:49:06.020 does really like youtubers and youtube um in the realm of internet influences um i always feel that

00:49:14.340 youtubers particularly are very good at forming parasocial relationships with their viewers

00:49:19.820 which means they like form a connection and it feels like i'm their friend because

00:49:24.340 more so than just an instagram photo or story you really do feel like you've built a connection

00:49:29.660 because you watch long videos about them rather than like a throwaway photo in this video she

00:49:36.940 goes through some of the reasons why some youtubers might stop posting and i find it very

00:49:41.900 interesting i didn't realize to this extent that a lot of popular youtubers can afford to take

00:49:48.820 long breaks because they earn a passive income from past videos which i wish was the case from

00:49:54.340 instagram or something but yeah like whenever they get views no matter how old a video is

00:49:59.080 they still can earn money off that I saw somewhere that yoga with Adrienne I think last year made

00:50:04.540 like three million dollars or something which go her because love her videos another thing that

00:50:09.960 Tiffany brings up is that YouTube used to be a place where a lot of YouTubers would regularly

00:50:15.400 post daily vlogs or even post three to four videos a week but now the conversations around

00:50:21.680 quality versus quantity are coming up and I would say a lot of YouTubers have that increased pressure

00:50:28.280 to be perfect and produce better content all the time one of my favorite points she makes though

00:50:35.420 is that the rhetoric we have around creators is so interesting might we maybe see a smaller creator

00:50:42.060 this also happens on tiktok and instagram but when we see someone with a small following count

00:50:47.320 we're like oh my god this deserves a million views like how have they not blown up yet

00:50:51.580 but when these accounts do grow there's more skepticism around whether they deserve their

00:50:57.860 following so I'm actually going to play a little snippet of her talking about it now another thing

00:51:02.640 that was hard for me like I mentioned before is when you're first blowing up and people perceive

00:51:07.500 you as a small channel and they're praising you and saying you're underrated suddenly if your

00:51:13.240 channel grows really fast you are seen and perceived as a big channel a large popular

00:51:19.100 creator a successful youtuber but you might not feel like that yet you might feel like the exact

00:51:24.260 same person you were a few months ago nobody's gonna look at a channel that has a few hundred

00:51:28.840 thousand subscribers or a few million and think oh that's small indie youtuber even though that's

00:51:34.200 who you might still feel like so then you know people are looking at your channel they're looking

00:51:38.600 at your videos they're seeing that sub count and going does this video meet the expectations that

00:51:43.360 i think people at this level should be reaching is this content worthy of having all these subscribers

00:51:49.900 you can go from being underrated to potentially being called overrated they don't deserve this

00:51:55.380 many subscribers why do so many people like this it's just a mindfuck to be honest the last thing

00:52:00.860 i also want to bring up is that she brings up how content creators are craving smaller more

00:52:06.360 intimate spaces again so we've seen this in a lot of things not just youtube but the average person

00:52:12.920 might have a finsta so like a private instagram account where they can just kind of shit post or

00:52:17.180 have close friends or even um celeb spellcheck which is an like australian call out page i would

00:52:24.220 say they've recently deleted all their posts and they are currently reckoning with themselves

00:52:30.080 how to take care of a page that has you know a whole bunch of followers and that when your

00:52:37.600 audience grows you have to be much more careful with your content and it like you know adds such

00:52:43.660 a new level of pressure as well well you were just talking about that on your own instagram like

00:52:49.060 yeah a week ago and so you were saying like how your following is growing and now you think more

00:52:55.840 consciously about what you do and what you say i feel that way and i have like 2 000 followers like

00:53:02.880 not even a smidge to your like 17 000 people watching your life like that's a lot how

00:53:10.960 have you been reckoning with that and like dealing with that yeah um I talk about it every day I

00:53:16.940 swear I do like every time I bring it up I'm always like I've been on Instagram for like a

00:53:20.060 decade now and in the last year my following's doubled so it feels so strange Tiffany also

00:53:25.860 brings it up but I used to be able to like I remember my followers when someone likes my

00:53:30.780 photo I would like remember their username and they're like DP and even sometimes if they change

00:53:35.960 their little Instagram icon I'm like oh yeah they've updated it and I would recognize that

00:53:40.600 and I would have more of a close connection with my followers I feel and now it just feels like

00:53:47.980 I don't know who's there so I'm nervous posting I'm like who are you guys like watching me I

00:53:53.360 used to feel a little bit more safe and I know I still have a very progressive and supportive

00:53:57.580 community and I really like who follows me looking at the demographic it is people that are similar

00:54:05.500 to me in terms of age interests etc but it just feels it's weird it's it's a weird feeling and

00:54:12.720 it's also weird that in terms of successful metrics we go by numbers and technically getting

00:54:19.240 more followers and getting a bigger audience is successful but it's also like it comes with a

00:54:24.940 prize I want to say even though I am a small account still in the scheme of things yeah I

00:54:31.540 guess it's that balance between wanting to be authentic which is like such a buzzword now but

00:54:39.200 wanting to be authentic but also like being aware that like 17 000 eyes are on you yes to like

00:54:46.660 see what you had for breakfast yeah but this video looks interesting i mean she looks really cool

00:54:52.960 and i mean i love a media analysis as we know so i think i'll be watching her awesome you can even

00:55:01.020 put it on like a podcast she's also got a separate podcast which i haven't listened to but

00:55:05.520 yeah usually just chuck her videos on so what are you recommending for us this week jasmine

00:55:10.720 so last sunday afternoon i watched the new netflix documentary called operation varsity blues the

00:55:18.620 college admissions scandal so this is a documentary about obviously the 2019 american college

00:55:25.320 admissions scandal say that three times um it is directed by the same person who made the netflix

00:55:33.800 fire festival documentary chris smith i loved that documentary it was so good so this one

00:55:40.820 looks into basically the fraud ring that was started by a man named william singer he would

00:55:48.460 find these affluent families who had kids who wanted to go to ivy league schools your harvard

00:55:54.900 yale brown all those things if they didn't have the grades or for whatever reason they thought

00:55:59.960 they weren't going to get in william was creating this like fraud ring where these parents would pay

00:56:05.820 thousands of dollars and they'd like make it seem like it's a donation to the school or um

00:56:12.660 sometimes like the coaches would have a backhand in in the ring and they would um create these like

00:56:20.940 fake profiles for the students where they would say that they were like a polo player water polo

00:56:27.200 player and they would like photoshop images and everything to get these affluent wealthy kids

00:56:32.320 into ivy league schools one of the most famous people to be caught up in this scandal is olivia

00:56:38.280 j giannulli she is a social media celebrity and youtuber and is the daughter of actress 0.99

00:56:44.440 laurie laughlin and fashion designer mossimo giannulli so she basically said that she was a

00:56:51.560 star rower in her school and then that's how she got into the university of southern california

00:56:58.700 so this documentary goes into her as well her story but like it's mostly about this guy called

00:57:04.900 william singer who was like frauding all these people and who was getting caught up in it

00:57:08.740 what these parents would do um and it's really clever the way that they film it so they get some

00:57:15.480 testimonies from like kids you know teenagers who are like crying over the fact that they didn't get

00:57:20.420 into the school like through the legit avenues and there's this one scene where this girl is

00:57:26.180 like crying or she's been talking about like the stress of how hard it is for kids to get into the

00:57:30.980 schools they want and like the pressure that's put on them and she goes there's so much pressure

00:57:34.960 on people like everyone's stressed out about exams and there's so much stress to get into

00:57:38.560 these like amazing ivy league schools but i'm sure the people who do get in there really deserve it

00:57:43.240 and then it cuts to like a vlog of olivia jade and so it's in the documentary they're talking

00:57:47.860 about how she vlogs her whole life as teenagers like this affluent girl and she's saying every

00:57:53.960 day i hate school i don't want to be here why am i here i hate i hate i hate it but her parents are

00:57:59.120 like no you have to go to college even though she's like this successful young woman she's got

00:58:03.580 like a makeup palette deal with like sephora very influential but yet she was like put into this

00:58:10.460 ring this fraud ring by her parents um so she's just one of many many kids and it's just fascinating

00:58:17.860 the way these affluent people think they can get away with things and also the fact that they're

00:58:22.760 taking places from maybe like working class or lower income families who have like worked their

00:58:29.520 whole life to get into harvard who like need the scholarships or whatever one thing that blew my

00:58:34.520 mind is like these are very wealthy people like million million millionaires instead of using the

00:58:40.920 resources they already have to like get a tutor if their kid's struggling or to pay someone extra

00:58:48.360 a bit extra to like help out with the process rather than like cheating to get in they still

00:58:54.940 cheat and it's like that the concept of like greed and wealth and like even if you have everything

00:59:00.980 you could ever need and more that mindset of like i need more i need i need the the title that comes

00:59:07.960 with having a child who goes to harvard or the connections you get from being ivy league rather

00:59:13.920 than say olivia jade who just wanted to like be a youtuber um so it's a very well-made documentary

00:59:20.180 if you haven't heard of this scandal before like i i just find it fascinating like a lot of these

00:59:26.800 people also got jail sentences but they were jailed for like two weeks a month max sometimes

00:59:34.180 they were just made to do community service and it's like black people in america go to jail for 0.50

00:59:39.980 wanting their kid for like saying that their kid lives at a different house because they're not in 0.62

00:59:44.480 the right zone and they go to jail for a year you know it's like the way america works it's like

00:59:48.720 were so fascinated by these rich people, but were also so disgusted by them. So would 100%

00:59:55.580 recommend that documentary. It's quite an easy watch, very well made. You don't need to know

01:00:00.000 too much about the subject before to understand what's going on. I find that so interesting. I

01:00:04.200 definitely need to give that a watch. I remember when this scandal happened and it'll be good to

01:00:09.160 see how it's all kind of played out. Does it kind of go through different families,

01:00:13.000 not just olivia yes um they go through different people but it focuses more on the parents

01:00:20.860 obviously because they're the ones who are like frauding the system um it also goes through the

01:00:26.280 coaches who were complicit and who were like getting bribed as like a soccer coach at yale

01:00:31.760 i think and um through the documentary they do a lot of reenactments um so it's yeah very easy

01:00:39.580 to understand and yeah it's really good that brings us to the end of the episode we've been

01:00:46.000 chatting away for so long it's gotten dark outside thank you listeners for joining us today

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Culture Club - March 29, 2021

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