Culture Club - We're Now EmRata Stans

00:00:00.000 on this week's episode we're chatting about emirata's viral essay on consent and exploitation

00:00:12.820 the netflix documentary sparking a conversation around social media and the double standards of

00:00:18.280 nude pics welcome to culture club we're media slashies maggie and jasmine and you're listening

00:00:24.100 to our weekly chat about pop culture current affairs the internet and our lives we would

00:00:30.500 like to acknowledge that the Wurundjeri, Turrbal and Bunwurrung people are the traditional custodians

00:00:36.200 of the land upon which we live work and record this podcast we respect elders past present and

00:00:42.820 emerging and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded so Jasmine I feel like we are turning

00:00:50.180 into a tv show podcast because we always start the show off about what shows we're watching

00:00:55.140 but what are you watching this week I've had another very unmotivated week again this week

00:01:01.220 so I was really indulging in not feeling guilty about not working and binged a couple of things

00:01:08.480 actually my sister and I have moved onto the hills have you seen the hills oh my god no but I

00:01:15.260 it's on my list because as soon as I finished the OC I was like I need something like early 2000s

00:01:22.640 like that kind of sugary show and I couldn't find that was probably the top one there was also like

00:01:27.400 there's another show that's similar to The Hills but it's like a reality one with Lauren Conrad

00:01:31.600 what's that called do you know that's The Hills oh my god Lauren Conrad is reality so it is so

00:01:38.800 this is reality oh it is awkward how is so I saw the first season when I was in high school

00:01:44.720 but it started in 2006 India'd never seen it before and um it's really interesting watching

00:01:51.760 it for the second time and getting into the second season because it was considered one of the first

00:01:57.240 reality tv shows and it's actually so slow like not much happens if you don't know it's about

00:02:03.700 Lauren who was originally on a show called Laguna Beach a reality show and then she moves to LA

00:02:09.200 moves in with this other girl called Heidi she gets an internship at Teen Vogue and meets all

00:02:14.860 these other characters and then yeah there's like boy drama and work drama and in the second season

00:02:20.720 actually they meet this um other intern called Emily and it's Emily Weiss who started Glossier

00:02:26.780 no way yeah that's pretty cool that's pretty cool so that's funny seeing her for like 13 years ago

00:02:32.280 but it's very easy to watch it reminds me of the show I just um watched which is fashion bloggers

00:02:38.800 which was like an mtv tv show from 2015 and he followed like australian bloggers around

00:02:43.800 that was so much fun to watch so different in 2020 they're like showing it like this is my

00:02:49.100 louis vuitton this is my like prada um and they're like complaining about packing their bags for

00:02:54.260 overseas so sometimes it can feel quite what's the word do you know when people are like not in an

00:02:59.560 alternate reality but it's quite not tone deaf but okay i know a little bit jarring yeah that's

00:03:06.480 So in 2015, that's what they were doing?

00:03:08.500 Yeah, they had Margaret Zhang in it, who is my absolute favourite.

00:03:12.460 I think she was like 22 years old.

00:03:15.120 She is so talented.

00:03:17.160 For those who don't know, I don't even know how to describe her.

00:03:19.300 She's like a blogger, a writer.

00:03:22.060 She's got a law degree. 1.00

00:03:23.500 She's a filmmaker. 0.97

00:03:24.660 I think she's a consultant and creative director now.

00:03:27.160 And she's just so lovely. 0.77

00:03:28.520 And she was super charming and kind of relatable on the show.

00:03:32.440 So I love that.

00:03:33.280 It's interesting, like in five years, how much blogging and blogging and social media

00:03:38.120 has changed everything.

00:03:40.140 It's so funny to see how it's changed.

00:03:46.060 So speaking of social media, should we get into our topic today?

00:03:52.460 So we've got a lot of ground to cover today.

00:03:54.940 We're talking about social media.

00:03:57.060 We're talking about Emily Ratajkowski.

00:03:59.280 We're talking about leaked nudes.

00:04:00.920 So let's get into it.

00:04:03.280 Yeah. So something that Maggie and I both watched on top of everything else we've been watching

00:04:08.180 was a documentary drama that you've probably heard about called The Social Dilemma. It's a

00:04:15.240 Netflix original documentary, and it explores the dangers of social networking sites. And it

00:04:20.300 features talking heads from former employees of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, etc.

00:04:27.160 yeah I loved I love okay sorry let me just so the thing is I am not one for documentaries when I

00:04:35.220 think about documentaries I just think boredom which is so untrue because I've been loving so

00:04:40.100 many documentaries recently and this isn't one that I wanted to really watch because you're like

00:04:46.300 oh yeah let's watch a movie oh yes let's watch something about the dangers of social media like

00:04:51.160 it's it just sounds super negative right but I actually loved watching this what about you

00:04:56.080 I felt the same way when I first heard about it I was like oh I can't be bothered to watch that

00:05:01.380 like I already think about social media all the time and then I have a degree in media so we have

00:05:06.300 already looked at like surveillance capitalism the Cambridge Analytica scandal surrounding the

00:05:11.320 2016 election and stuff and I was like I'm gonna know all this already but the way that it was

00:05:17.940 put together was very interesting and I really like the way if you haven't seen it yet they

00:05:24.140 have a documentary element to it where they're interviewing people looking at statistics and

00:05:29.020 stuff but then they also have a fictional drama story of like the nuclear american family and how

00:05:36.100 the kids are affected by social media so there's like an 11 year old oh my gosh that scene where

00:05:42.280 the mom was like okay let's all put our phones into a safe for dinner she buys this like cookie

00:05:47.600 jar that you meant to like put a timer on so you stop eating the cookies and she asks her family

00:05:52.480 to put the phones into a plastic safe just for dinner for like an hour and the 11 year old freaks

00:05:59.020 out and like it's like i'm just gonna get another fork and then smashes the plastic cookie jar

00:06:04.940 grabs her phone and runs upstairs can you imagine if your child did that it's like full-on addiction

00:06:09.700 yeah and i don't think that's too far from the truth i know it um was quite dramatized and stuff

00:06:16.180 and like the next scene after that she's seen posting a selfie and it's not getting enough like

00:06:21.360 so she posts another one but she's put filters and edits it but then someone points out that her

00:06:27.040 ears are too big and then she's self-conscious about that and yeah it's quite I mean it's also

00:06:32.800 like we know all this stuff right like that's why I was kind of put up from watching this like yeah

00:06:37.320 we know that it affects people's self-esteem and then things like data mining and like the

00:06:43.240 influencing of elections we all know this stuff and it almost for some of the part you know people

00:06:49.660 were like well I don't really care if people like if social media sites are taking my data like I

00:06:54.780 don't care if they're looking at me buying hats or whatever but I think there was something deeper

00:07:00.780 to this documentary that really kind of made me kind of question my beliefs or like open my eyes

00:07:07.840 to social media. Me too one thing I learned from it is that the social media companies aren't just

00:07:13.880 looking at what you physically like and tap on and click into but also how long you're looking

00:07:19.080 at something on your screen, that really weirded me out. So for example, on TikTok, if you hover

00:07:24.740 over a video for like one second longer and you don't like it, comment anything, you just keep

00:07:30.740 scrolling. The algorithm takes note of that. And then even by one second, it will show you more of

00:07:36.360 that same thing. But yeah, I agree that it does touch on things we already know, but the way it

00:07:42.500 was really relevant, I think was interesting because it talks about the COVID conspiracy

00:07:46.060 theories and how we are more divided than ever over what people think is fact and what is reality.

00:07:55.080 Yeah and selfishly like I can't believe I'm bringing this up as one of the

00:07:58.460 most impactful parts so you know they literally talk about how America and I guess most of the

00:08:04.560 western world is on the brink of like a civil war basically and democracy as we know it is

00:08:11.720 threatened and that's obviously horrible but one thing that really stood out to me oh god

00:08:17.120 I just feel very selfish at the moment but was how they're talking about how social media

00:08:23.380 has its own agenda and its own goals and it basically hijacks your own life so what I mean

00:08:30.160 by that is like I literally feel like my psychology has changed because of my phone like the way I

00:08:35.760 view things the way I interact with life um you know sometimes I'll put on an outfit my first

00:08:40.960 saw is oh I should get a photo of this or or not even to that extent it's just like my my hand

00:08:47.120 instantly gravitates to my phone and I'm always picking it up when you know we barely know what

00:08:51.640 boredom is nowadays because we're a generation that's so used to being distracted one of the

00:08:57.420 key talking heads in the film um was Tristan Harris and he was a former design ethicist at

00:09:04.060 google like how cool is that he yeah is involved in ethics um one thing that he said was quote

00:09:11.220 social media isn't a tool that's just waiting to be used it has its own goals and it has its own

00:09:17.380 means of pursuing them by using your own psychology against you so some people say oh just put away

00:09:22.960 your phone like just put it in another room and personally for me that doesn't work do you just

00:09:27.700 like walk over to that other room and get it yeah i just don't think i have any self-control

00:09:32.640 like I've tried a few different things to minimize my screen time like today last week my screen time

00:09:38.600 average eight hours and that's less than two weeks like that's like lowest it's been in three weeks

00:09:44.280 which is just horrendous I was really shocked last night because I don't like looking at my

00:09:49.380 screen time because I feel really guilty when I do but I looked at my week overall being a Saturday

00:09:55.060 night and then my average was like six to seven hours a day but Instagram how much time I spent

00:10:01.640 on Instagram last week was 21 hours nearly one whole day of my week was spent what scrolling

00:10:10.620 on Instagram and that really freaked me out actually I was like oh my god like in one day

00:10:15.040 of my life is spent on this app but it's hard I think as journalists we I feel that we have to

00:10:21.040 self-promo a lot to for other people to find and read our work I use social media to look for

00:10:26.800 sources i get inspiration from social media but also during lockdown um and coronavirus like i've

00:10:33.800 moved up to brisbane and that's how i stay in contact with my friends like people say oh but

00:10:38.040 you could just call them like yeah but i'm not going to call my friend every day once for like

00:10:43.160 an hour a day no one has time for that going on instagram it makes it so much easier to just be

00:10:47.540 like oh i know what grace is doing today or i know what lizzie's doing today because i've seen

00:10:51.580 their instagram stories so we have something to talk about when i call them on the weekend you

00:10:55.440 know it's really hard to unwind your life from it from social media when our lives have basically

00:11:01.760 been put online because of coronavirus oh my god you hit the nail on the head i remember watching 0.84

00:11:07.200 the documentary and then feeling immensely guilty because i was like oh shit i'm contributing to

00:11:13.140 this need for people to go online because oh my god okay again i'm not putting i know people don't

00:11:18.700 go on instagram to look at my stuff gee this is painting me in a really weird picture of this

00:11:24.400 episode. But what I mean is like, oh my God, like I will constantly update my day on Instagram. And

00:11:30.520 I know other people do it too. And it's become so normalized to, you know, post all your doings

00:11:36.320 throughout the day online for all to see. And it feels like, oh, if you don't see it, then you're

00:11:41.060 missing out on something, especially stories that last 24 hours, like blink and you'll miss it.

00:11:46.340 With the end of the Keeping Up With The Kardashians TV show and, you know, shows like The Hills,

00:11:51.140 there's not really a need for that anymore because we are our own reality tv shows like

00:11:56.480 watching our friends lives is a reality tv show so why like if we can see if I know what you had

00:12:02.480 for lunch the other day like I know you had a pumpkin gnocchi that your mom made you

00:12:05.720 why would I like you know I don't know I think it's we're watching other people's lives so often

00:12:11.680 it's so normalized when actually it's quite weird when you think about it and here's a soundbite from

00:12:17.000 the documentary this is said by justin rosenstein so he was a former engineer at facebook and google

00:12:23.820 and he's a co-founder of asana which i hate it's like a management program anyway doesn't matter

00:12:30.300 he has some really great points apart from that program he created um but yes we will play it for

00:12:37.840 you now we live in a world in which a tree is worth more financially dead than alive in a world

00:12:45.140 in which a whale is worth more dead than alive for so long as our economy works in that way

00:12:50.360 and corporations go unregulated they're going to continue to destroy trees to kill whales

00:12:55.780 to mine the earth and to continue to pull oil out of the ground even though we know it is

00:13:01.700 destroying the planet and we know that it's going to leave a worse world for future generations

00:13:05.980 this is short-term thinking based on this religion of profit at all costs as if somehow magically

00:13:12.140 each corporation acting in its selfish interest is going to produce the best result.

00:13:16.540 This has been affecting the environment for a long time. What's frightening, and what hopefully

00:13:20.540 is the last straw that will make us wake up as a civilization to how flawed this theory has been

00:13:25.220 in the first place, is to see that now we're the tree. We're the whale. Our attention can be mined.

00:13:31.540 We are more profitable to a corporation if we're spending time staring at a screen,

00:13:36.120 staring at an ad, than if we're spending that time living our life in a rich way.

00:13:39.900 And so we're seeing the results of that. We're seeing corporations using powerful artificial intelligence to outsmart us and figure out how to pull our attention toward the things they want us to look at rather than things that are most consistent with our goals and our values and our lives.

00:13:53.400 it was also interesting hearing about in the fictional drama part of the show the son of the

00:14:01.280 family gets like radicalized by this fake extremist group and it's interesting to see how like

00:14:07.060 yeah your psychology can change by what's recommended to you on youtube or facebook and

00:14:11.840 things like that and then you think that everyone around you thinks that way everyone's in a bubble

00:14:16.680 we're in bubbles as well like i get surprised when i see such extreme views from other people

00:14:21.960 because I don't see any of that you know I actually unfollow people who I don't agree with

00:14:26.280 which has made me think a bit more like should I be doing that but I also find what they talk

00:14:30.600 about is really negative so I don't want to consume that so I unfollow them or don't read it

00:14:35.860 but then I'm like oh should I be actually hearing what quote-unquote the other side has to say you

00:14:40.320 know yeah I literally was thinking about that too because a person in the documentary also said that

00:14:46.440 they follow people on Twitter that they disagree with and I am guilty of doing like of unfollowing

00:14:52.420 people who I know in real life who hold opposing views because I'm also thinking on the flip side

00:14:57.640 of that like you have to take care of your energy and your own mental state so if you're literally

00:15:02.840 purposely and actively searching out content that's going to like basically trigger you

00:15:07.680 then that's not doing you any good so that's my thought as well so after watching the documentary

00:15:13.640 how did it make you feel and have you changed any habits it's so funny because i was watching this

00:15:18.880 with my boyfriend tom like as a creditor we're like wow that was incredible like wow my mind is

00:15:24.440 blown and then he like literally picks up his phone and starts like scrolling on like whatsapp

00:15:29.620 as i'm having a conversation and i just stop and i'm like look what it's doing to you it's

00:15:34.280 brainwashing you um so obviously i don't think i could quit it i was thinking about that but i'm

00:15:41.440 like no that's a lot of my job but I think it's just again being more conscious about what we're

00:15:45.620 consuming I wonder how long this will last I might forget about the doco in two weeks but

00:15:50.800 that's kind of where I'm at what about you yeah today I've I think let's check my screen time

00:15:56.360 now actually so it's Sunday afternoon and my screen time so far has only been two and a half

00:16:02.320 hours which by this point it's normally like five so yeah I guess it has influenced me quite a bit

00:16:09.840 i think i'm also now when i pick it up i'm aware of why am i picking it up is it because i'm bored

00:16:16.220 is it habit or am i actually like going to message you about you know the podcast yeah i got up this

00:16:22.280 morning and i i went on my phone first thing as i always do but it was for way less time and i did

00:16:27.440 some yoga and read a book all before breakfast and i was like oh my god normally i'm like

00:16:32.860 like on instagram for like 45 minutes so that was nice hopefully it continues i think just

00:16:40.980 being mindful of the habit realizing that no one actually cares that much if i don't post for a

00:16:46.380 day or two really but i don't post for other people i post for myself true yeah same i love

00:16:52.600 documenting stuff yeah it's like a never-ending conversation this is oh i know i was literally

00:16:58.260 gonna say like this feeds into everything we do i think and also i would recommend turning off

00:17:04.200 notifications that's what they recommended in the doco and i've done that for a while now like i've

00:17:09.240 had instagram and uh notifications off for like two three months um email notifications off my

00:17:16.520 phone has been like the real lifesaver messenger and email are the only notifications i have

00:17:22.220 so i've turned off everything else like news so i haven't actually spoken about it on here yet but

00:17:27.900 my boyfriend and I a long distance and he was flying back from he'd been in Australia and he

00:17:32.820 was flying back to the UK I got an ABC newsletter I was in Uniqlo and I knew he was like flying over

00:17:38.800 the ocean by this point he'd been gone for like 15 hours and I got a news notification that there'd

00:17:44.320 been a plane crash I can't remember where somewhere in the Middle East like a passenger plane crash

00:17:49.600 and it popped up on my news on my phone and like adrenaline just flooded my body and I was like

00:17:56.020 shaking I opened it really quickly and obviously realized it wasn't his plane and everything was

00:18:01.200 fine but like that is so unhealthy like this massive rush of adrenaline and like stress hormones

00:18:07.680 because I wasn't mentally ready to look at the news and it shocked me and you know especially

00:18:13.720 with coronavirus stuff I've yeah definitely turned off news I deleted Twitter and Facebook off my

00:18:18.780 phone in the first lockdown because I kept just scrolling scrolling scrolling and I follow a lot

00:18:23.800 of british journalists on twitter and so i was getting two countries news updates and journalists

00:18:28.720 opinions and that was a lot to deal with so now the only thing i have is instagram and tiktok

00:18:33.660 they are what i spend most of my time on yeah but notifications off 100 yeah i think it's so scary

00:18:41.660 how much control and power a phone can have over us and just what a mere like notification can

00:18:48.100 like inflict us with and i think you know even in our culture club instagram page thank you for

00:18:54.260 1500 followers um we get a few trolls commenting sometimes and i don't know even though i know it's

00:19:00.400 a troll and it's nothing to be taken seriously it will literally zap my mood instantly and it's so

00:19:05.400 annoying that we give we don't eat not on purpose but strangers do sometimes have that power over us

00:19:10.540 it's just human psychology though and i think that's what the documentary explains very well

00:19:14.900 is we aren't in control like you and I are saying we're feeling guilty for how much time we spend on

00:19:19.340 our phones and all that but the apps are designed and google and email are designed to get our

00:19:25.140 attention to give us dopamine like the slot machines in a casino they're designed so we keep

00:19:30.780 going back and it's interesting that they say this is such new technology but our brains are a million

00:19:36.560 years old like our brains aren't actually adapted to deal with this so hence why we have those like

00:19:42.600 flooding emotions when we get a negative message or, you know, that news article of a plane crash

00:19:47.640 is because, yeah, our brains are like fight or flight straight away. Preach it. All right. Shall

00:19:54.140 we move on to the second topic of today? So this week, model Emily Ratajkowski penned a personal

00:20:01.100 essay for New York Magazine that went viral. Titled Buying Myself Back, When Does a Model

00:20:07.360 Own Her Own Image? Emily opens up about having her image essentially stolen multiple times,

00:20:12.600 times and used for monetary gain, including by photographer Jonathan Leder. What did you think

00:20:18.380 of this essay? I had no idea what to expect when I opened it, to be honest, the cynic in me and

00:20:23.760 maybe internalized misogyny. When I first saw it, I didn't know what it was about. I was like, oh,

00:20:27.380 here we go. Like she got published in New York Magazine because she's famous. But as soon as I 0.70

00:20:33.020 started reading, I was like, hey, that's not the case. Like I really enjoyed what she wrote. It

00:20:36.920 was quite a long essay, wasn't it? It kind of detailed a few separate occasions. Like you just

00:20:41.980 mentioned how her images are used for like exhibitions and as sold as artworks to how her

00:20:48.520 image has been violated from you know someone selling a book about her without her permission

00:20:54.180 it was quite confronting and I kind of liked how it I guess humanized a model the model industry and

00:21:01.440 kind of gave us a peek behind the curtain at what famous models do we experience because I think

00:21:06.880 it's very very very easy to put Emily Ratajkowski on like a pedestal and she's like oh she's a

00:21:11.960 most perfect Instagram face or whatever. But hearing things that she had encountered was quite

00:21:18.160 confronting. Yeah, I agree. I didn't exactly have an opinion on her before this. I just thought,

00:21:23.460 you know, she's a beautiful model and she's been quite outspoken, I think, in, you know,

00:21:29.600 the Me Too movement and politics over the last couple of years. But I was still just like,

00:21:32.860 no opinion. I was like, you do you, girl. But I really enjoyed her writing. I was really

00:21:38.880 involved in it and felt so much sympathy for her so we're going to talk a bit more about the article

00:21:44.260 now and quote some from it but just before we do we would like to put a trigger warning here because

00:21:50.060 it does deal with sexual assault so before emily's career took off with blurred lines in 2013 she was

00:21:57.960 doing an unpaid photo shoot for a magazine when she was about 20 years old and her manager said

00:22:05.000 take this bus up to the Catskills, which is in New York, go to this photographer's house.

00:22:09.860 So she was essentially alone in the house with this photographer who was a lot older

00:22:14.360 than her, apart from one other female makeup artist.

00:22:19.100 She was shot nude.

00:22:21.080 She was given a lot of wine and there were some very dodgy things said during that situation.

00:22:26.760 And then towards the evening, she is sexually assaulted in a situation where there's a massive

00:22:33.560 abuse of power it was really heartbreaking I think hearing her recount the memory of it and

00:22:39.460 knowing like when you're in that situation with a man who's either older than you or you know can

00:22:43.960 influence your career and just like saying yes or not standing up for yourself that was really

00:22:48.720 heartbreaking to hear from her but she has these pictures taken of her publishing the magazine well

00:22:54.680 she just kind of forgets about it or tries to forget about it so years afterwards her career

00:22:58.940 taken off thanks to the blurred lines music video and it's announced that the photographer is going

00:23:05.260 to turn those images that he took in 2012 into an art exhibition and a book without her permission

00:23:11.540 she obviously tries to get lawyers involved and it becomes this whole legal battle which she

00:23:16.880 eventually has to give up because she just has no power in the situation and this man is just

00:23:22.840 making money off photos he took of her like 10 years ago that she wasn't even paid for so it's

00:23:29.660 really heartbreaking but very interesting I'll read a bit out now in her own words since 2013

00:23:36.220 when I appeared in a viral music video paparazzi have lurked outside my front door I've become

00:23:41.740 accustomed to large men appearing suddenly between cars or jumping out from behind corners with

00:23:46.700 glassy black holes where their faces should be I posted the photograph of me using the bouquet as

00:23:52.480 shield on my Instagram because I liked what it said about my relationship with the paparazzi

00:23:56.740 and now I was being sued for it I've become more familiar with seeing myself through the paparazzi

00:24:02.340 lenses than I am with looking at myself in the mirror and I have learned that my image my

00:24:07.960 reflection is not my own really powerful words and I think from this recount that she did write

00:24:15.860 it's obvious that she's very very intelligent very mature so when the New York magazine fact

00:24:22.120 checker reached out to Jonathan for comment he actually said that the allegations were quote

00:24:27.680 too tawdry and childish unquote to respond to and also said quote you do know who we're talking 1.00

00:24:34.360 about right this is a girl that was naked in treats magazine and bounced around naked in the

00:24:39.700 Robin Thicke video at that time you really want someone to believe she was a victim so incredible

00:24:45.120 slight shaming by this horrible photographer that reading her experience with him just made me feel

00:24:50.720 so ill yeah me too I feel so yeah sorry for her and even the difference is when she posed for those

00:24:58.420 photos there was consent there she knew she was posing for one magazine and same thing when she's 0.98

00:25:04.780 on Instagram it's like that thing about consent she's consenting to nudity she's like sexualizing

00:25:10.140 her own body but when someone else does it and someone else like takes that power or is monetizing

00:25:16.940 your own body and you're not getting anything that must be like such a demoralizing feeling

00:25:22.840 I loved in the article and also um she was interviewed in the cuts podcast this week as

00:25:29.560 well talking about this she's very open about how she loves her body and she talks about like she's

00:25:34.040 like oh I love my breasts and things like that so she is empowered by her own body but when people

00:25:39.400 skew that in a negative way I feel like that is just so so horrible so if you haven't read that

00:25:46.240 yeah, we would definitely recommend it because it's very, very good writing. It explores lots

00:25:52.580 of very relevant and interesting topics and really humanizes one of the most famous models

00:25:59.040 of our time. Linking with Emrider's story, a BBC report was released this week stating that

00:26:04.860 revenge porn, which is a distribution of sexually explicit photographs or videos without consent,

00:26:10.560 is another new normal of the coronavirus pandemic so there's been a 22% rise in revenge porn calls

00:26:17.980 to a government-funded helpline compared to last year. That was a UK report and in the UK there

00:26:23.360 have been more cases of non-consensual photography this year by September than all 2019 with cases

00:26:30.400 surging in August. I found this very interesting because what's the link? This much I know news

00:26:38.460 spoke to Claire McGlynn, a law professor from Durham University, who attributed the rise in

00:26:43.620 cases to the increased use of the internet and social media, as well as heightened emotions

00:26:49.940 during lockdown. So this is a very scary news story and also kind of links to the social dilemma in

00:26:57.040 that everything in our lives is being put on the internet, including dating and having sex with

00:27:02.720 people apparently yeah and even in australia the sydney morning herald reported earlier this month

00:27:08.600 that cases have also been increasing in lockdown with a 600 increase in revenge porn complaints

00:27:15.120 over the easter weekend it's really frightening to know and it's also funny it reminds me of how

00:27:20.440 you recommended i hate suzy um the other week which detail i mean you're the one that's seen it

00:27:26.360 but which basically deals with the aftermath of a woman's life after her nudes were leaked right 0.99

00:27:33.700 they are leaked um and this is more about people kind of getting back at their ex

00:27:39.300 but it's just really yeah it's really sad and obviously like stress breakups and job losses

00:27:45.680 which are all happening a lot at the moment can also contribute to pre-existing abusive

00:27:50.480 behavior and control, and they're all linked to revenge porn. I mean, considering the Emirata

00:27:56.920 story and now this, I just think, yeah, it's just awful. Like, I don't know if I'm lacking nuance

00:28:05.100 here, but it genuinely just feels that a woman's body belongs to everybody else except herself, 0.99

00:28:12.280 right? Like, for the case of revenge porn, again, please correct me if I'm wrong,

00:28:17.600 because i actually don't know too much about this topic but they're probably coercing or at least

00:28:22.520 asking their partners to send nudes and as soon as that woman no longer serves him for a purpose

00:28:29.760 that nude that was so revered and asked for and sought for at the beginning is weaponized and

00:28:35.700 turned against the woman herself we go around these conversations so much for instance we talked

00:28:40.320 about wap the other week um where a woman can't even rap about her own sexuality without being 0.96

00:28:46.820 vilified by the media but as soon as someone else does it well it's fine it's that's what a woman's

00:28:52.460 for it's under the male gaze so it just feels like we talk about issues like this so much and

00:28:58.080 yes we can say that there's been changes from the me too movement but you know with these things

00:29:04.040 still on the rise kind of makes it seem like not much change is actually happening yeah it's really

00:29:09.620 scary like why now I mean obviously maybe people are sexting and texting with strangers and like

00:29:18.580 but then that's kind of victim blaming as well it's being like oh well you shouldn't send nudes

00:29:22.500 like no people just shouldn't share nudes like that's something that someone's shared with you

00:29:27.020 in confidence in private and with consent for your eyes to see only and for them to you know

00:29:33.460 if the relationship ends or whatever I'll be like if you like I'm gonna let everyone see it it's

00:29:38.120 really gross and i follow a few sex workers on instagram and they're always saying like the 0.87

00:29:42.820 difference between you know men buying porn or watching porn versus high school boys or grown 0.96

00:29:49.840 men sharing leaked nudes or stolen nudes around a group is consent like they are getting off on 0.81

00:29:58.180 that woman not giving permission i think that's like the most disgusting thing ever yeah for sure

00:30:04.140 like it's not nudes as a format themselves which is the problem because i agree it's not someone 0.97

00:30:09.240 should be able to send nudes if they're like of age um if they want i think that can be kind of

00:30:14.160 seen reflected in the rise of only fans you know it is becoming a little bit more normalized to

00:30:19.180 commodify your body but you're right it's the dirtiness and the nastiness comes in when it's 0.89

00:30:25.800 getting off to a woman not having that power but something that needs to be talked about and also 0.83

00:30:31.400 is very relevant giving the emirata story but also with the news about chris evans nudes

00:30:39.080 not even being leaked like he accidentally put them up himself and that reaction so let's get

00:30:44.820 into that you know what was funny when i was googling this i was googling chris hensworth

00:30:50.520 liam hensworth i forgot which which of the chrises in the hollywood sphere it was because

00:30:57.020 they all bloody look the same oh my gosh no it was chris evans so captain america and what happened

00:31:04.880 was he uploaded a screen recording of him like hanging out with some friends um on his instagram

00:31:12.820 story from his camera roll right and then when he like the recording ended it showed his camera roll 0.99

00:31:19.680 and there was an accidental dick pic and also a meme of his face saying guard that pussy or 0.99

00:31:25.700 something oh my god anyway yeah everyone was like what does this picture mean who sent it to him 0.99

00:31:31.240 but what was very interesting was that when his name started trending on twitter his fans flooded

00:31:39.020 the various hashtags with photos of evans holding puppies and him visiting children in the hospital

00:31:45.400 to draw attention away from the accidental upload of his body and more towards his humanity yeah

00:31:52.900 and his first tweet after all this happened was now that i have your attention dot dot dot vote

00:31:59.260 november 3rd from the news coverage i saw it was all positive all the comments are like wow he's

00:32:05.580 such a hero even people linking his own um actions to like captain america there was this random

00:32:12.840 guardian article which i think a little bit tone deaf it was written by a white man but anyway

00:32:17.300 he was like his positive reaction was because he played Captain America and I'm like what

00:32:23.420 isn't it because he's a white man but whatever when this news came out a few days ago I actually

00:32:29.060 couldn't look into it too deeply because while I was happy for Chris that you know his body was

00:32:35.300 respected and people were being really kind on the internet it actually made my blood boil because if

00:32:42.140 that happened to a celebrity a woman an actress i do not believe that it would have had the same

00:32:48.380 reaction not maybe it made me think of vanessa hudgens jennifer lawrence and even emrata who

00:32:55.020 all had their nudes hacked and leaked versus chris accidentally releasing his own nude of course

00:33:01.500 there was no questions about that the max was oh i wonder who chris is sending that to but you're

00:33:06.900 right like if a female was to do it it'd be like yeah why is she even taking photos that explicit

00:33:11.520 that is such a bad role model all that jazz right no one said that about Chris no one's questioning

00:33:16.740 his role model ability actually people praised him for it so my first reaction was like anger

00:33:22.040 and the double standard that we put on women but I read an article on Slate which said it wasn't

00:33:29.340 because of Chris's gender but because our attitudes around nude hacks and leaks has really changed in

00:33:34.740 the last 10 years mostly thanks to the Me Too movement not because of the gender but I don't

00:33:39.980 know. Seems like a gender thing to me. I also read a BuzzFeed article by a writer called Lauren

00:33:45.580 Strapegill, who said, perhaps now in our supposedly post-feminist society, we'd like to believe we're

00:33:52.900 better than this. But it was just six years ago that dozens of famous women, Ratajkowski included, 1.00

00:33:58.100 had their nude photos stolen and leaked. The fact that the major data breach was widely called

00:34:03.920 the fappening tells you enough about how gleefully those images were found and consumed,

00:34:09.040 how those women were found and consumed she also said i'm glad evans was treated with kindness

00:34:15.440 but evans photo was never going to be gleefully consumed with the same fervor as the photos from

00:34:20.880 the 2014 hacking because his body is considered his own by catching a private glimpse of him

00:34:26.900 we wouldn't get any sense of ownership or power over him as a person

00:34:31.000 what have you been reading watching consuming this week mags so last night for my saturday night

00:34:43.680 movie um i watched top end wedding which is on netflix had you heard of this movie yeah i saw

00:34:49.820 the trailer and it's i've really been wanting to watch it for a while but i haven't got around to

00:34:53.480 it yeah yeah i did i did i did sorry i don't know i had a hesitation um no i

00:35:00.920 did enjoy it um so it came out last year and it is an Australian rom-com so very unpatriotic of me

00:35:08.300 I am usually not a fan of um Australian cinema and I know we should support local but I think

00:35:14.180 um I just have bad memories of being forced to watch The Castle so many times in school

00:35:18.780 but I did enjoy this light-hearted movie it was funny and he had some really like emotionally

00:35:25.740 poignant scenes. I should tell you what it's about. It is the story of an interracial couple

00:35:31.440 encountering the bride-to-be's estranged Aboriginal roots as they plan a shambolic 1.00

00:35:36.140 last-minute wedding in 10 days. So he has a recipe of all good rom-coms, you know, there's 1.00

00:35:41.940 something, there's a wedding and they've got some drama that they need to fix and I think

00:35:46.880 what I really enjoyed about it was how they captured Australia. I've never been to the

00:35:53.000 northern territory but they had some really beautiful drone shots of the landscape punctured

00:35:58.300 with wide angle shots of spotlight and like it's car park and it was very very very much familiar

00:36:03.900 to me um which i really like i would say it's in the shop yeah sorry like the what even do they

00:36:10.060 sell like not homewares how was yeah spotlight the craft supply shop i really liked it explored

00:36:18.320 tiwi culture as well um and there was some beautiful costuming and beautiful music um it

00:36:25.280 made me tear up which is always a nice sign so yeah i would recommend that to you felt like

00:36:30.160 something nice and fun and what did you consume this week so on top of social dilemma big little

00:36:36.160 eyes the hills book smart i also read an article for the guardian called the wellness realm has

00:36:44.460 fallen into conspiritualism i have a sense why by sarah wilson so sarah wilson was the author of

00:36:52.060 that really restrictive i quit sugar diet do you remember that she also wrote um make them

00:36:58.240 beast beautiful which is like that book about anxiety which apparently it's good i got given

00:37:02.840 it to me um apparently it's good but i know she's got a problematic ish past because of that sugar

00:37:08.880 thing yeah i don't agree with that restrictiveness of that diet but anyway she says she's retired 0.97

00:37:16.040 from the wellness industry she actually came out saying that she was battling her own disordered

00:37:19.860 eating so that was interesting but this article um kind of ties again into the social dilemma chat

00:37:26.540 it's about the new term that has arisen during the covid pandemic called conspiritualism so

00:37:33.080 So if you think of like Ziggy Alberts and Pete Evans on Instagram being like, don't

00:37:38.040 get the vaccine, like they're trying to control you.

00:37:40.760 Like they want you to just be sheep, those kinds of people, but they're actually just

00:37:44.660 spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories.

00:37:47.360 And I found it really interesting.

00:37:48.780 It was kind of like collating all the ideas and especially with her being a part of the

00:37:53.280 wellness industry, it was nice to hear her perspective rather than from a left-wing

00:37:57.780 journalist for The Guardian who was kind of like looking in.

00:38:00.260 so I will read a little bit out now there are people who follow me mums making their own bone

00:38:07.740 broth yoga teachers posting roomy memes who believe the Victorian premier Daniel Andrews

00:38:13.040 is storing kids in tunnels under Melbourne CBD when he's not giving daily COVID-19 press conferences

00:38:19.240 in his reassuring polar fleece they tell me he is involved in a global child sex trafficking cabal

00:38:25.500 When we don't have an identifiable enemy, or worse, the enemy is us, it is tempting to create one.

00:38:31.700 As the cruel chasm between the haves and have-nots widens, it's understandable the elites of politics, science, Hollywood, and business become a target for terrified people.

00:38:41.920 I also read somewhere this week that conspiracy theories rise and spread during times of mass uncertainty and that they're actually a coping mechanism for a lot of people when there is no like solid enemy and no one to blame per se.

00:38:58.980 so they kind of go towards the mainstream media and scientists who are just trying to do their

00:39:04.000 best because it all comes from fear except this conspiritualism is them saying like it's conflating

00:39:10.740 with wellness and light like in the article she says she knows someone who calls Donald Trump

00:39:15.080 a light worker it's really all very odd and you had one other recommendation today yes on a lighter

00:39:22.600 note we'll end with Vogue's short film that they posted on YouTube earlier this week it's called

00:39:28.340 I Love New York, Bella Hadid, Misty Copeland, and Whoopi Goldberg celebrate the city. So this is a

00:39:36.380 really lovely watch. I think it's about five minutes. I would really recommend it. It's a

00:39:40.960 fast-paced, romantic, and visually stunning film narrated by Whoopi herself. It's like a homage to

00:39:47.640 the city. That's basically what it is. It's a love letter to New York, and it's a celebration of art,

00:39:52.540 fashion, and the people that make up New York. Watched it twice now. It's just a little nice

00:39:57.380 dose of escapism and nostalgia post-covid new york or was it filmed before i think it was filmed

00:40:02.560 before but there are definite references to it and there's very nice cameos there's even m rider

00:40:07.560 m rider features in it our fave gal now um even my favorite youtuber ashley aka best dress it's

00:40:14.940 really it's really nice to watch oh that seems really beautiful i love short fashion films like

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Culture Club - September 21, 2020

We're Now EmRata Stans

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