Culture Study Podcast - July 08, 2026


You Asked for a Parental Death Prep Episode. We Got the Perfect Guest.

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What Made Our Boomer Moms... Like This? Who Are The Heartthrobs of 2026???

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00:00:00.000 Hey everyone! Two things. First, today's Ask Anne Anything is a hard pivot away from the topic of
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00:01:19.320 Let's get on to the show.
00:01:25.580 This is the Culture Study Podcast, and I'm Anne-Hellen Peterson.
00:01:31.880 And I'm Becky Robison, the author of My Parents Are Dead, What Now?
00:01:35.420 A Panic-Free Guide to the Practicalities of Death.
00:01:38.020 I love how you say it, like, so chipper.
00:01:42.140 That's kind of the brand.
00:01:43.680 It's like a chipper.
00:01:44.460 I figure, like, no one's going to read about this stuff or talk about it if we can't laugh about it at least a little bit.
00:01:49.560 Oh, my gosh.
00:01:50.160 And it's, you know, it's morbid, but it's also, like, morbid stuff is also very funny. 0.99
00:01:54.380 anyone who's been through it knows that there are these moments that you're like oh my fucking god 0.80
00:02:00.040 this is ridiculous like yeah i have to laugh it's so surreal there are just things where you're 0.95
00:02:05.180 going to do something and it's it's going to seem like out of a movie like when we were moving my 0.76
00:02:09.180 dad's ashes from one urn to another i'm pretty sure i we were like i guess a red solo cup will
00:02:15.280 do this will this is like the ideal moving utensil for this scenario oh my gosh i wish
00:02:21.660 listeners could see how hard I'm laughing right now because that's exactly the sort of thing that
00:02:26.500 we're talking about. Tell me, I want to start just by having you tell me about your parents.
00:02:32.920 Sure. So my mom was a therapist, which makes all of this kind of especially ironic that she
00:02:39.900 wouldn't talk about any of this stuff, but she was a therapist. That was her job. And she was
00:02:44.080 a great mom overall. You know, we had our clashes as people do, but overall, I really miss her and
00:02:50.960 we did not have an estranged relationship in any way. But she had her own problems and hers was
00:02:54.940 alcohol. So she died in 2020 of liver disease. Not so fun. That was a very long, drawn out death.
00:03:02.720 My dad, on the other hand, he was an architect. They both own their own businesses, came from a
00:03:07.400 very entrepreneurial household. And he was an architect. He was like a grumpy Republican man.
00:03:15.480 He loved like hunting and fishing, but like also Abba. Very strange. Yeah. And considering that, you know, I'm deeply not Republican, we got along pretty well overall. But he shortly after I moved to Louisville. So this was a treat. I had just moved out of state and he was then diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
00:03:35.400 So I ended up driving back and forth between Louisville and Wisconsin every two weeks to help my sister take care of him.
00:03:43.620 And he died nine months later in early 2023.
00:03:46.580 So it was a rough couple of years, to say the least.
00:03:51.100 And I ended up kind of in charge of the executorship, all of the post-death logistical stuff.
00:03:58.800 And I realized I had no idea what I was doing.
00:04:03.120 I knew that was probably going to happen to me, but I suddenly realized that, you know, I knew that he had a will.
00:04:09.220 I didn't know where it was.
00:04:10.320 And then when I found it, what I was supposed to do with it, where do I bring it?
00:04:14.180 Do I need other stuff?
00:04:15.360 I have no idea.
00:04:16.160 So I asked my friends' parents.
00:04:18.880 I asked my aunts and uncles.
00:04:20.640 They tried to help.
00:04:21.940 It's not like they were mean and, you know, shut me out.
00:04:24.400 They were trying to help me, but they just either couldn't remember or didn't know.
00:04:27.840 The Internet had very scattered information.
00:04:29.700 So I got angry and I had just a really exciting grief project where I created a website called deadparentswhatnow.com.
00:04:39.600 I love that.
00:04:40.640 Grief project is absolutely the correct name for it, right?
00:04:44.300 Like you have all this emotion and depending on your personality type, it has to go somewhere.
00:04:49.260 And sometimes it's like something like this, right?
00:04:51.480 Yeah.
00:04:51.700 And sometimes it's like you create a heavily detailed website.
00:04:54.620 It was supposed to be a side project.
00:04:56.500 It was supposed to be just a living document.
00:04:58.140 like, oh, I figured out this one thing. I'll put it up here so other people can know what to do.
00:05:02.340 And then it just kind of took off and I started getting a bunch of emails from people. And now
00:05:08.540 it's kind of the thing I do. Yeah. I'm so interested in systems and especially in the
00:05:15.400 United States where systems are very opaque. Like part of my interest in, I guess, like this larger
00:05:23.120 field of like post-death care and everything came from doing a lot of work on elder care and like
00:05:30.840 the labyrinthian ways that we have to seek it and fund it and all of those things in the United
00:05:36.560 States and talking with people of different ages who were flung into figuring out elder care for
00:05:43.240 their parents like and how it's different especially if you are not in an age where you
00:05:48.180 have your peers dealing with it as well so one of these interviews that always sticks with me is like
00:05:52.920 a woman who was 27 and had to figure out dementia care for her mom and like just none of her friends
00:06:00.120 were remotely in that same space of life and she had no place to look for it like
00:06:06.100 there were like aarp things but they didn't seem to be speaking to her her own experience or her
00:06:12.440 like financial situation or like how to balance it was all about like when you have kids and also
00:06:19.520 we're dealing with a parent in like end of life care and she's like not me and yeah super not me
00:06:24.940 and i think that like millennials um and gen x are really confronting this situation head on
00:06:33.300 and seeing the dearth of information or at least accessible or cogent information and saying like
00:06:40.340 it doesn't have to be this way and i like your book and your site and just like all of this
00:06:45.820 information, us doing this podcast, seems to be a real response to this idea of, like,
00:06:51.100 does it have to be as opaque as it is? Like, we could decrease the amount of suffering and
00:06:55.000 confusion. Yeah, I think it's opaque. It's also annoying that the pre-death stuff and the post-death
00:07:02.620 stuff are really connected, but nobody treats it like they are connected. Like, really, there
00:07:06.980 should be a smooth transition. Like, death care is almost, like, continuing a part of health care.
00:07:11.980 Yes. And, like, the legal stuff that comes before a death when you're preparing for death
00:07:15.000 should just transition smoothly into the legal stuff that comes after death, and it just doesn't.
00:07:19.640 They just treat them like these are two entirely separate systems, and that makes things even more
00:07:24.560 complicated. And I also think it's not only that the stuff is opaque, but I think it doesn't really
00:07:31.020 speak to the way Gen X or millennials interpret things. Something that really irritated me was
00:07:36.320 when I was looking at stuff online, it was all very gentle and like kind of old-fashioned.
00:07:42.420 Like a cursive font, almost.
00:07:44.080 Yes, and like kind of a Pinterest font.
00:07:47.160 It's like, it's okay to not be okay.
00:07:49.860 And that's true.
00:07:51.220 Like, that is absolutely true.
00:07:53.300 And I think we do need different kinds of grief support and different kinds of support in all areas for caregivers because you're going to have people with a lot of different personalities.
00:08:01.340 I know that I do a lot of gallows humor.
00:08:03.240 That's not everyone's cup of tea.
00:08:04.740 But I just was frustrated that I wasn't finding a lot of stuff that spoke to me.
00:08:09.100 Humor is how I get through things.
00:08:10.360 And there wasn't, that didn't exist.
00:08:12.420 Or it existed a lot less, at least.
00:08:14.360 So I decided to do something about it.
00:08:17.480 You know, in the book, you write that this is an intro quote, when my parents died, I
00:08:22.060 was prepared for my grief, but I was completely unprepared for the legal and financial
00:08:26.320 ramifications.
00:08:28.220 I think a lot of people kind of know this train is like headed their way when their
00:08:32.280 parents die, but like don't have any idea what it actually is like.
00:08:37.440 Like, what is probate, right?
00:08:40.780 Right.
00:08:40.960 What does that mean?
00:08:41.840 So what are some examples of everything you had to deal with after your parents died?
00:08:47.680 Oh, man, where do we begin?
00:08:50.360 So my parents had a living trust, which is so they had.
00:08:54.780 Yes.
00:08:55.340 So that's a little different than a will.
00:08:57.740 And trust makes it sound like really expensive, like trust fund babies.
00:09:00.860 Anyone can have a trust as long as they can pay the lawyer's fees to get it put together.
00:09:03.820 Right.
00:09:04.200 And you can put however much you have in it.
00:09:05.800 It's like having an invisible box where you put all your stuff into the box and now the box owns all of your stuff and you're just the trustee of your own stuff.
00:09:14.100 But a box can't die.
00:09:15.680 So when you die, it doesn't matter.
00:09:16.940 The successor trustee takes over.
00:09:18.580 The box is still the owner of everything.
00:09:20.620 And a living box doesn't have to go through probate court.
00:09:23.520 So you can skip it.
00:09:26.120 So they had a living trust, but I did not know what that meant.
00:09:29.740 So I went to see my dad's lawyer, and I didn't really know what to ask, and he didn't really know how to appropriately answer in regular human jargon.
00:09:37.800 So, you know, I was just so confused as to what he was saying.
00:09:40.980 And I asked, like, how do I know what all is in the trust?
00:09:44.020 And he said, well, they should have had a list.
00:09:46.400 And I'm like, great.
00:09:47.160 Well, they didn't.
00:09:49.380 So it turns out you look in the mail, the stuff that gets, like, mailed to you or mailed to anything that's in the trust, mail for it will be addressed to the trust, not to the person.
00:09:59.500 So, you know, but I had to, like, figure that out.
00:10:01.800 You still have to bring the will that goes with the trust to the court to file it there.
00:10:06.360 I had to figure that out.
00:10:07.820 My parents lived in, like, this was easier because they had the trust, but they had a condo in Wisconsin and a condo in Florida.
00:10:15.020 So my sister and I had to figure out how we were going to deal with that.
00:10:18.100 We basically just, my sister decided she wanted to move into the condo in Wisconsin. 0.86
00:10:22.260 So she bought out my share.
00:10:24.460 And then I dealt with cleaning out and selling the one in Florida. 0.76
00:10:28.600 which that was just an adventure in real estate because millennials so good at real estate. 0.95
00:10:34.940 I actually do own a house, but that was like a weird pandemic fluke. And I was like, 0.87
00:10:39.820 I just have the money and I'm in this weird situation and I may never be able to do this
00:10:42.920 again. So I'll buy the house. But I had no experience selling a house or selling it to
00:10:47.160 other people or selling a condo in Florida, right? Selling a condo in Florida, getting rid of all the
00:10:53.860 stuff. You know, there's just like that in and of itself takes a long time is getting rid of all
00:10:57.540 the stuff, getting into bank accounts, looking up all their passwords. My dad had written down
00:11:02.580 his passwords, which was very useful. Not all of them worked. So just kind of figuring that stuff
00:11:10.040 out. And then, of course, there was the stuff that they should have put in the trust but forgot to
00:11:13.840 put in the trust because they were human. So trusts have a pour over will for that purpose.
00:11:18.840 But you still have to go to the court and say, look, all of this stuff was supposed to be in
00:11:23.080 the trust. So I had to hire a lawyer to do probate court in Florida to get that stuff into the trust
00:11:29.640 so that I could get rid of it. And then there's the car. Do you want to hear about the car? It's
00:11:33.540 an exciting... Let's wait on the car because I feel like it's going to be an answer to one of
00:11:38.020 our questions. It's going to allow you to talk about the car. How long do you want me to talk
00:11:41.960 about this? There's so much stuff that you have to do. And like while I'm doing a full-time job
00:11:45.720 and while I'm grieving, so... Yes. No, and that's the other thing. There's this great TikTok that
00:11:49.980 we'll include in the show notes about like good morning like on my way to go to the bank again
00:11:56.740 to try to get them to like hand over the money that was in there like or to close the account
00:12:01.720 like how many times how much work like how much actual daily work it is to handle accounts close
00:12:09.980 accounts like convince the freaking like cell phone company to stop charging your dead parent
00:12:16.100 You know, like, yeah, that it's just negotiating with the credit card company to close down the
00:12:21.800 cards. Just I cannot tell you how many times I filled out the same iteration of paperwork that
00:12:29.460 I then have to get notarized, you know, for different companies or like there's just little
00:12:33.700 things where the same company will have me fill out slightly different versions of forms for
00:12:37.720 various things. It's obnoxious. And your parents had a living trust like they did the work and
00:12:42.680 this is what you had to do yes it's still it's it makes it easier but it's still hard yes so for
00:12:48.980 this episode we wanted it to be really practical like to have it be a resource for people who are
00:12:54.900 freaking out or about to start freaking out or think that they should start freaking out about
00:12:59.680 their parents deaths so we're talking specifically about parents with a lot of these questions but
00:13:05.300 this can apply to anyone who like you are legally or financially responsible for so like this could
00:13:11.820 apply to a sibling who has appointed you like that you would be the next person that would be
00:13:16.620 in charge of them or a great aunt like I know a lot of people who have relatives who didn't have
00:13:20.780 kids and the relative appointed them like the person in their will so right lots of expansiveness
00:13:28.860 here this also we're probably going to get to this but talking about what happens like if your
00:13:33.840 partner dies and you aren't married like there are lots of complicated things that happen yeah
00:13:38.360 Or like if you're a stepkid and they didn't legally adopt you, that's a problem.
00:13:44.020 So we've got questions about to-do lists, about estrangement, about who needs a will, so much more.
00:13:49.480 And we're going to get started with this question from Robin, who just wants to help talking about death in general.
00:13:55.320 This is, we got so many versions of this question, so it's a huge one.
00:13:59.400 It's hard enough having conversations about wills and burial plots and DNRs.
00:14:04.040 How do you suggest that people talk to their aging parents about the minutiae of all this death paperwork when they barely want to talk about that eventuality at all?
00:14:12.900 When my dad died, he left me a list of all of his accounts and passwords, and from that experience, I made my mom give me her password manager password.
00:14:21.080 Without those, I have no idea where I'd have even started with trying to figure out where all my dad's accounts were, let alone having to wait for all the death paperwork that those institutions then require in order to give you access.
00:14:32.560 Few people want to burden their adult children with all of this admin when they die, but
00:14:36.900 they also usually don't want to talk about it.
00:14:39.300 How have you seen people broach this conversation well?
00:14:42.400 What approaches help break through the emotion of thinking about dying to have a very practical
00:14:46.460 conversation?
00:14:48.140 Yeah.
00:14:48.840 What do you think here?
00:14:50.440 This is a tough one.
00:14:51.460 I feel like it's the conversation no one wants to have.
00:14:54.300 I didn't really have a concrete conversation about it with my parents before they died.
00:14:58.540 I knew that they wanted to be cremated, but that's kind of it.
00:15:00.540 So in this scenario, I would say it's a good idea to approach it through aspects of their personality or interests, perhaps.
00:15:10.820 Like if a beloved golfer dies that they really loved, you could sort of broach the topic that way or at least start talking about death in that way.
00:15:20.260 It could at least provide an opening to have that discussion.
00:15:23.560 You can make it, I think this can be helpful because I think one barrier to this conversation
00:15:27.600 is that parents don't like the role reversal aspect of it.
00:15:31.400 They don't want to think about you taking care of them because they're supposed to be
00:15:34.560 the parents.
00:15:35.400 So if you frame it like I need my mom and dad, like I need my parents, it's like I've
00:15:40.540 got this problem.
00:15:41.500 Make it a question of parenting.
00:15:42.740 This is still an aspect of parenting.
00:15:44.540 You have to help me with this.
00:15:45.920 You have to help me get set up.
00:15:47.700 And so if you frame it that way, like, no, I'm just your sweet, innocent baby child and
00:15:52.380 I need my mommy and daddy to help me through all this horrible time.
00:15:56.180 Or appeal for like emotion.
00:15:57.240 Be like, you know, when you die, it's going to be so sad.
00:15:59.400 I'm going to be so wrecked.
00:16:01.600 Like it could be so helpful if we could just figure out some of these practical things now.
00:16:06.760 Yeah.
00:16:07.000 Maybe that would work, right?
00:16:08.260 Yeah, I think so.
00:16:09.920 And then something to note too is that the conversation doesn't have to happen all at the same time.
00:16:14.240 You can have this.
00:16:14.920 It doesn't have to be like one big sit down conversation.
00:16:17.100 You can have pieces of this conversation when you're watching the pit or when your aunt dies
00:16:21.940 and that leads you to talking about it.
00:16:23.820 This can especially, I've heard this as a helpful tip
00:16:26.100 in terms of dementia too, like use those lucid moments.
00:16:29.140 It doesn't have to be a conversation
00:16:30.440 that happens all at the same time.
00:16:32.640 And then I would say you can also,
00:16:36.220 there are lots of products like binders
00:16:38.500 and all of this stuff that you can fill out
00:16:40.520 with that information.
00:16:42.160 So if a conversation is simply just not broachable,
00:16:45.580 perhaps you can be like, I have gifted you this binder.
00:16:49.060 Please fill it out.
00:16:50.880 There's an amazing nonprofit called The Conversation Project.
00:16:54.380 Their whole goal is to help people have these conversations.
00:16:57.380 And they have conversation guides in various languages that you can just print out, like these workbooks.
00:17:03.980 So if it's really not going, you can just say, I need you to fill this out.
00:17:07.940 And then I need you to give it back to me.
00:17:09.900 And then the awkwardness of the conversation doesn't have to happen.
00:17:13.080 Ideally, you do have that conversation.
00:17:14.740 I think it's better to actually talk about it.
00:17:17.280 But because, you know, you might bring up things that they aren't even considering, but if it's just simply they're like the most tight lipped people on earth and it's simply not going to happen, perhaps that is a strategy you could go for.
00:17:29.080 The other thing I'm thinking of is you can either get an example from somewhere else in your life, like a friend or make up an example. I'm just some like small like white lies of incredible difficulty that someone has had to go through because their parents wouldn't talk to them about stuff.
00:17:46.460 right yeah so like they were in the courts for years and like like there's a horror story that
00:17:52.360 i know of a friend who like they were going to like have a giant parcel of land that they were
00:17:57.340 going to inherit that would have like changed their lives and because they never got to like
00:18:02.520 figuring out the last details of the will it went to like an organization that this person had
00:18:08.000 select it on a whim and but yeah you know like that that sort of thing like or especially if you
00:18:16.840 have a complicated family in any way and I'm talking about like step parents estranged parents
00:18:21.680 people who are still related to you that you don't talk to anymore like toxicity if stuff isn't laid
00:18:27.940 out very clearly you will have to deal with those people a lot yeah update your beneficiaries you
00:18:34.940 know when you get those annoying emails from HR that are like, it's time to update your
00:18:38.560 beneficiaries on your insurance policy. Do that because I've heard a lot of horror stories of
00:18:42.440 people leaving all their life insurance money to their ex because they never changed it.
00:18:45.520 Yep. Yeah. So just having entryways to those discussions. Yeah. I think maybe bringing up
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00:22:52.280 $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. Okay, our next question is from Christina,
00:23:05.600 and it's about getting ready for the inevitable. Is there a to-do list we should follow to help
00:23:11.760 our elderly parents conduct estate planning and other end-of-life planning necessities?
00:23:16.680 My sibling and I are dealing with rapidly declining health and a recent dementia diagnosis.
00:23:22.280 And suddenly, over the last few weeks, it seems like all I can think about is how to plan to sell a house, whether someone with dementia is still competent to update legal documents, how to work with a parent to make a decision between leaving money and trust for their spouse's care and leaving it to the spouse outright, etc.
00:23:38.000 I feel like we're at the beginning of the end of the road.
00:23:40.560 The panic is setting in, and I don't know what steps to take to make the road easier for everyone.
00:23:46.480 Ugh, Christina.
00:23:47.660 Like, this is just everything all at once.
00:23:50.100 Because also, like, you're just mourning the future loss of your parents, too, right?
00:23:55.280 Yeah.
00:23:55.720 So what do you advise in a situation like this to try to make it feel a little bit more under control?
00:24:02.300 So first of all, you asked about to-do lists or Christina asked about to-do lists.
00:24:06.640 There are fortunately lots of to-do lists out there.
00:24:10.140 I mentioned the conversation project.
00:24:12.520 There's a cutesy little to-die list on my website and in my book of questions to ask.
00:24:18.180 But there are, if you Google it, there are so many lists like this out here.
00:24:22.080 And another thing you can do is look for dementia-specific resources.
00:24:25.940 A lot of organizations like the Alzheimer's Association have not only resources on their
00:24:31.080 website for this stuff, but they often have like hotlines you can call to ask specific
00:24:35.280 questions.
00:24:36.120 So that can be something to help as well.
00:24:39.180 And in the case of dementia, again, use those lucid moments to your advantage if you can
00:24:44.240 to ask questions.
00:24:45.040 It doesn't have to happen all at once. And you can talk about it piecemeal in those lucid moments, I would say. It's tricky about when people with dementia can sign legal documents because it kind of depends on the state. And just to be clear, I am not a lawyer, nor am I an accountant, but I did a lot of research for my book.
00:25:02.980 But I would suggest maybe if you can manage it talking in advance to an elder care attorney in a state where your parents live just to get some clarification on what the laws and regulations are there in that regard.
00:25:15.320 And obviously, it's not like you have to go behind your parents back to do this.
00:25:19.040 If they're willing to have that conversation, you can all go together and talk about that stuff.
00:25:23.180 I think just because someone has dementia, you don't have to treat them like a baby necessarily.
00:25:27.360 You know, you can sort of bring them into these conversations when they're lucid enough to realize what's going on or, you know, it can be a family discussion.
00:25:34.100 It doesn't just have to be you.
00:25:36.000 The other thing that this is something that I just started thinking about in terms of, like, do you create a trust?
00:25:41.660 The way that Christina is framing this situation is that there's a step parent who is not her this like not Christina's parent that needs to will still survive.
00:25:55.500 Right.
00:25:55.660 will be the surviving spouse. And so what do you do? Like, do they get all of the money
00:26:00.200 or do they get a trust for that? And I found like talking to a lawyer about the difference
00:26:05.440 between that and how the taxes work differently on that and all of that sort of thing, like that
00:26:10.120 was very elucidating. So make some time with a lawyer and like they will talk you through all
00:26:16.260 of it. And a good lawyer will really be patient with you, too. A good lawyer will not be like
00:26:22.980 my dad's lawyer i seriously the lawyer i got in florida when i was doing uh the probate court
00:26:28.420 there was so much more helpful so it's not like all lawyers are incapable of speaking to humans
00:26:31.880 oh and the lawyers i interviewed for my book were wonderful so yeah just uh hiring a lawyer is like
00:26:37.420 anything else talk to a few if you don't get a good vibe from one go with another you know but
00:26:41.620 yeah it can be really helpful to chat with someone who knows the laws in the area where your parent
00:26:45.860 is because like you said with step parents and stuff too that can be really tricky in terms of
00:26:50.040 inheritance and all of that. And you don't have to use the same lawyer as the person who drafted
00:26:54.360 your parents' will. Correct. That is a key thing, I think. Yeah, you can use any lawyer. You do not
00:27:01.240 have to use that lawyer. Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about first steps after someone dies. This
00:27:06.900 question comes from Megan. A few months ago, my dad died unexpectedly. He didn't have a will and
00:27:13.480 he and my mom were divorced. So our family is still navigating a ton of forms, phone calls,
00:27:18.940 and long waiting periods to get his affairs in order. Dad was a pretty working class guy who
00:27:24.260 drove a car that was worth about as much as its four winter tires, and he had minimal savings.
00:27:29.720 So my sense is that he never drafted a will because he just never thought of himself as
00:27:34.640 someone who needed one. Can you talk about how we, at least in the US, imagine the relationship
00:27:40.900 between class, embodied class identity, and end of life planning? Who do we tend to think a will
00:27:48.020 is for? And what can we do to communicate to people that even something as seemingly simple
00:27:53.860 as getting your parents' last paycheck from work is an absolute headache in the absence of a will?
00:28:00.440 Megan, I have so many thoughts about this. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, Anne.
00:28:05.380 No, I was just going to say that this is like such a culture study question,
00:28:08.180 and I love it. Like, it's so good. And we absolutely need to talk about this. So
00:28:13.020 Please go.
00:28:14.260 Yeah.
00:28:14.520 So something that really frustrates me or that I came, a conclusion I came to when I
00:28:18.980 was going through all of this research is that probate court isn't really to help you
00:28:22.920 or to like make sure that the right person gets the right stuff.
00:28:26.280 It's really just to help the state keep track of chain of title.
00:28:29.320 So who owns what when.
00:28:31.160 An ideal, like a real good court situation would be like after someone dies, there's
00:28:34.520 some sort of concierge who comes to you and helps you with all of that stuff.
00:28:37.440 But that's not what it's for.
00:28:38.740 So it is about capitalism.
00:28:40.680 It is about just the state making sure that they because, of course, if they can't find any heirs, the state gets all of that money and property.
00:28:49.220 So it's I find that very frustrating.
00:28:51.960 I will also say that your your dad in this case is absolutely not alone in not having made a will.
00:28:58.160 The majority of people in the United States do not have a will.
00:29:01.440 I was looking up statistics when I got this question.
00:29:03.860 And in 2024, according to a caring dot com study, only 32 percent of U.S. adults reported having a will.
00:29:10.180 And I think you're right. I think some people, if they don't have a lot of stuff, think that they don't need a will. It's simply not something that they need to do. And they, in fact, do need to do it because it's not going to spare anyone probate court. If you don't have a will, you still have to go through the probate process. It's just intestacy, which means the state gets to decide who gets what rather than you deciding who gets what.
00:29:34.100 So it's still helpful to have a will.
00:29:38.280 I also think a lot of people think it's very expensive to make a will.
00:29:41.700 And it can be, but it doesn't have to be.
00:29:44.060 There are a lot of websites, especially if you don't have a complicated estate, if you do just like, I own a car, the end, whatever.
00:29:49.500 There are a lot of websites for a very low fee or in the case of some of them for free.
00:29:54.460 You can make a will, like a boilerplate will.
00:29:57.540 You just fill out the information and then all you have to do afterwards is print it out and then get it witnessed and notarized.
00:30:04.440 And you can find a notary at the bank, at the UPS store.
00:30:06.860 You know, there's lots of places where you can find a notary.
00:30:09.000 So it's something that you can do pretty easily.
00:30:13.080 And you should do because, like I said, it's going to be much harder on your family if they have to go through the intestacy process.
00:30:19.700 Someone is still going to be doing all the work that the executor would.
00:30:23.120 they'll just be called a personal administrator and they'll have to jump through extra hoops to
00:30:27.000 be able to do everything. So yeah, it's better if you can make a will. I really agree with Megan
00:30:31.800 that like there's something about capital W wills that like makes me think of like Scrooge McDuck
00:30:37.900 or something. It's like a rich person thing almost, right? Because inheritance is like
00:30:43.340 so bourgeois in this way. And we think of them as this means for inheritance, but it's not
00:30:48.940 just for the inheritance it's like just trying to tie up loose ends so it's like who has permission
00:30:54.860 to tie up loose ends who has permission to get my last paycheck from work who has permission to pay
00:30:59.460 off my remaining bills or not you know oh and something that's uh i like to remind people
00:31:04.100 because people freak out about this all the time but you don't inherit your parents debts so if
00:31:08.460 your parents didn't have a lot of money you do not have to personally pay off the debts with your
00:31:13.040 money their estate so that's whatever money and property is left over in their estate that pays
00:31:18.600 off those bills. And if there's not enough money in the estate, those creditors are just out of
00:31:22.620 luck. You do not have to do it with your own money. It's not going to affect your credit,
00:31:26.100 nothing like that. Of course, there may be some incidentals, you know, during the process where
00:31:30.400 you end up having to pay something. But in terms of your parents' debts, unless you co-signed on
00:31:36.080 a loan with them or something, you are not on the hook for that. I will just also note here
00:31:41.560 that I think a lot of people who do not live in traditional structures in the United States,
00:31:50.020 like who are not married, who do not have children, like people like me, like we are
00:31:55.240 actually the most at risk when and if something happens to us. Like I have been in long
00:32:02.600 conversations with a lawyer about getting me and Charlie's wills put together. And because we are
00:32:07.820 not married, it is so much more complicated. Like we have to make mirrored wills. And it costs
00:32:16.020 double the cost to do like, we can't do a joint. Even though we are in Washington, there is no
00:32:22.080 common law marriage in the way that there are in some other states. Like it doesn't, we have to
00:32:26.800 have two different wills. And the other thing is that when, like if a child dies and their parents
00:32:33.660 are divorced and if their parents like really don't get along they still have to deal with all 0.72
00:32:38.300 the shit like together and that would be a really horrible thing for your parents to have to do
00:32:43.100 together so i'll just note that for any other people our age because i think we are often us 0.99
00:32:49.580 like our age and younger are the people who feel like they don't need wills either right and you
00:32:54.240 absolutely do because you never know when you'll be uh horribly killed in the vicious ice cream
00:33:00.120 accident of 2028 or whatever um you know like you don't know what's going to happen um and and so
00:33:06.280 it's good to have that stuff taken care of it can also create some peace of mind like i've got this
00:33:09.960 taken care of i don't need to worry about it um and you can ask your friends to be your executor
00:33:15.780 it doesn't and you can leave stuff to your friends it doesn't have to be like i don't have a partner
00:33:19.740 either so like my best friend is the executor of my will i said lita will you be the executor of
00:33:25.320 my will it was all very um uh friendly my best friend is also the executor because she like i
00:33:31.880 was like who is the best person at paperwork in my friend group like that is my best friend so yeah
00:33:36.860 yeah that's who you want to go with um yeah uh so yeah and i guess something else uh worth talking
00:33:43.420 about is there is this thing called small estate affidavits or summary probate if the person who
00:33:49.320 dies really doesn't have a lot of money you can usually file some sort of form with the probate
00:33:54.000 court to say this amount of a state, like this state is so small that it's not even worth your
00:33:59.220 time. And you can then just handle it almost the way you would with the trust. Like they'll just
00:34:03.160 be like, sure, you take it, you know. But a lot of people don't know that that even exists. And
00:34:08.760 the limit is different for every state. And it's just, you know, so it's sometimes you still end
00:34:14.040 up with a lawyer just to either help you fill out the paperwork or to even know that such a limit
00:34:17.500 It exists. Yeah. Melody, quick aside. Do you feel like we've defined probate?
00:34:22.280 Well, please do. Yeah. Probate court probate, the word if we want to get real nerdy about this, the word probate, the etymology of it is to prove it's like to prove a will.
00:34:36.400 So the idea behind probate court is that it is proving the validity of somebody's will and that what is mandated in the will is being distributed correctly so that what the person wrote in their will is being executed correctly.
00:34:52.240 So if there's an executor of the will, that's just the person who closes all the accounts and et cetera, you know, is named in the will to do that. The court supervises that and make sure everything is going the way it should.
00:35:03.520 um i'm trying to think what else okay i have an example so like there's someone i know who
00:35:09.980 died and this is the person who um still had it in their will to give all of the money to
00:35:15.760 a large charitable foundation but you got to sell all the stuff you got to sell the business you got
00:35:22.260 to sell the land you got to sell the cars like you got to do all that stuff and so in this case
00:35:28.040 the probate court appointed someone who is almost like given a salary, almost like they're paid
00:35:33.660 money from the estate, from the estate to do all the work of selling the stuff so that it can then
00:35:39.320 eventually pass to this other place. But like you said earlier, probate court is like they're kind
00:35:45.300 of like HR, like probate is not your friend. Like it's no one's friend. Exactly. They are they're
00:35:51.360 obsessed with just figuring out, OK, here's the title to this place and here's the title to this
00:35:55.740 place and who is getting the title now and if no one takes the title then it's ours like 0.98
00:35:59.300 waiting for someone to fuck up so that they can take the title it's not that devious but you 0.97
00:36:03.800 understand right right yeah it's not like they're twirling their mustaches and do it cackling evil 0.99
00:36:08.380 laughs or something it's just that they're it's their job it's like they have an administrative
00:36:11.700 government role to figure out chain of title and that's really it they don't particularly care how
00:36:16.860 sad you are they deal with sad people all day yeah um yeah oh and the other thing i should say
00:36:21.300 that just because you don't have a will doesn't mean you get to skip probate court. If there is
00:36:26.320 no will, that just means the person has died intestate, which just means without a will,
00:36:31.000 they have no testament. And so you still have to go through court, but you have to petition to be
00:36:37.040 the personal administrator. And then you just get to do everything an executor got to do. And if
00:36:41.300 nobody petitions to be the personal administrator, the court will find someone to do it and they'll
00:36:45.540 appoint you. Wow. So wait, clarifying question. So nobody is exempt from probate court. There's
00:36:52.720 like no way to get around this bureaucracy. Well, there are mostly, but there are some ways to get
00:37:00.700 around probate court. One of them is having a living trust. We talked about that. Technically,
00:37:05.920 these are all called non-probate transfers is like the fancy legal term for it. But yeah,
00:37:11.600 So a very popular one is having a living trust or some other kind of trust, but revocable living trusts are the most common when you're just trying to skip probate court.
00:37:21.240 That's what I'm going to do is I'm going to create a living trust, which is part of the reason it's more expensive.
00:37:25.940 Yeah, it is because you have to sit down more with the lawyer and you have to transfer everything over.
00:37:30.740 Life insurance policies, like if the money that comes from a life insurance policy as, you know, the benefit doesn't have to go through probate court.
00:37:38.740 There's also things called pay on death bank accounts.
00:37:41.600 And if you set up a pay-on-death bank account, it's kind of almost like a life insurance policy, but for a bank account, it's just whoever's named as the beneficiary just gets that money automatically.
00:37:51.980 It doesn't have to go through probate court.
00:37:54.300 Really good way to pay for funerals if you're worried about paying your funeral.
00:37:57.360 Set up a pay-on-death bank account and have the money in there, and then it just goes to someone.
00:38:01.480 So there are some ways to get around probate court.
00:38:04.440 Those are probably the three most common ways to get around probate court.
00:38:09.300 But yeah, if you don't set up anything, they're not getting out of probate court.
00:38:12.840 If you don't have a lot of stuff, too bad.
00:38:14.540 They still have to file a small estate affidavit.
00:38:16.680 It's still coming for you.
00:38:18.100 Yeah.
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00:42:23.900 at checkout for 15% off. Next question comes from Sarah. What are the first, let's say three things,
00:42:35.840 the most important pieces of paperworky shit to take on. Like, how do you prioritize when you 0.95
00:42:41.960 are griefy and overwhelmed so you don't completely mess everything up? And a related question is,
00:42:48.720 what should I make sure I know from a loved one before they die that would drastically have me
00:42:54.700 thanking myself for having asked? Okay, I love this. This is like preparing for future self.
00:43:00.180 What would you tell Sarah? I love the term paperworky shit. First of all, that is what 0.99
00:43:04.780 it feels like. Paperwork-y shit. So I was a little, I think she's talking about what three 0.99
00:43:11.040 paperwork things would you tackle after someone dies. But just in case, since I'm here, I will
00:43:15.260 say before someone dies, you want to do a power of attorney, an advanced health care directive,
00:43:19.800 and a will. Those are the three big ones. People think you need a lawyer for all of them. You
00:43:23.520 don't just for the will or unless you make it online. But for advanced health care directive
00:43:27.860 and a power of attorney, you can find those forms on the internet and fill them out. And you usually
00:43:33.340 just need witnesses or a notary. It kind of depends on the state. But that's something you
00:43:37.500 can easily do without a lawyer present. The will gets a little more complicated, but I think people
00:43:42.620 tend to worry about that stuff. No, those those parts are easy if thinking about your own mortality
00:43:48.040 is easy. But and then also something that's worth noting is that the power of attorney and the
00:43:53.880 advanced health care directive stop working the second you die. Those are for like I am alive,
00:43:58.620 but incapacitated. Those are what those are for. That's what the will, like the last will
00:44:03.060 and testament is for, because once you die, that takes over. Again, why are all these systems so
00:44:07.660 separate? But they are. If, however, Sarah is talking about what you paperwork stuff you want
00:44:14.500 to handle after someone dies, the first thing I'll say is that you can't do any of it right away
00:44:19.140 because the first thing you need is the death certificate. How do you get death certificates?
00:44:23.540 You get them through the funeral home. So when you are dealing with the funeral home, you will
00:44:27.920 give the funeral home a lot of information about your dead loved one. They will then take that
00:44:32.460 information and file for the death certificates. And oftentimes they'll like offer in their
00:44:37.120 packages, like this package comes with five death certificates. It's so awkward. You are going to
00:44:44.240 need so many death certificates because every single company, including like the cell phone
00:44:49.780 company or whatever, is going to want a death certificate. And most of them won't give them
00:44:54.100 back to you because they're jerks and they're expensive. You have to pay for them. So that's 1.00
00:44:57.200 why you they can cost anywhere from like six to like 25 bucks you know it just depends on where
00:45:02.400 you're living um but yeah you usually get them through the funeral home make sure you're putting
00:45:06.960 the right information on there because i like i said my parents had a condo in wisconsin and a
00:45:12.980 condo in florida my dad had died up in wisconsin so i put that address but his legal address was
00:45:18.880 in florida so i had to pay to get them all redone don't do what i did make sure you put the make
00:45:24.100 sure you just focus through all that grief as if you can really think and put the put the correct
00:45:29.240 address on there um so fun uh but once you could yeah the death certificates can take like honestly
00:45:36.020 weeks to come so i would say yeah it took like two weeks for my dad you know sometimes it's faster
00:45:40.780 sometimes it's slower depending on the bureaucracy of your state so um i would say take that time to
00:45:46.500 just grieve and do that stuff um maybe plan a funeral but uh once you get the death certificates
00:45:51.920 I would say the top three things are the bank is a big one. You got to get their access to their
00:45:58.240 money to pay off whatever bills and et cetera they had. So you will need that death certificate.
00:46:06.240 You might need letters of administration from a court. It kind of depends.
00:46:10.100 So the big three, maybe I should go in order. Probate court. So you bring the death certificate
00:46:15.440 to the probate court to say this person has officially died and I either have a will or
00:46:20.060 I don't and get that process started. Also, any life insurance, because you're probably at this
00:46:26.240 point dropping a lot of your own money to plan for a funeral. So if there is life insurance,
00:46:30.040 I would file that claim. So it sounds so gross, like, oh, get your money. But like,
00:46:34.760 you're going to need that money to cover your expenses up front. So if there is a life insurance
00:46:38.980 policy, I would do that. And then the bank is the other one. Those are probably the top three I would
00:46:43.540 start with. And if there's any one thing you should ask your parents, that's hard because there are
00:46:48.220 like a million things you should ask them. But I would say ask if they can for a list of assets
00:46:53.640 and how much they're worth, because A, you're going to need to compile that for the probate
00:46:57.600 process. They're going to ask you for a list of assets and how much they're worth. But also there
00:47:01.900 may be some assets on there that surprise you because like my parents, they had a building
00:47:07.940 that my dad had designed where both their businesses operated out of, but they had sold
00:47:12.700 their businesses. So I had assumed they had sold the building and they hadn't. So there was like
00:47:17.420 extra building when I was trying to deal with all this stuff. But luckily, I knew who they
00:47:23.140 were selling it to and they were in the process of selling it. So it was fine. But it was just
00:47:26.600 like, whoops, whole extra, whole extra property. The other thing that I would add here, and this
00:47:31.520 is like my nightmare, personal nightmare scenario, is like, see if you can get them before they die
00:47:37.740 to do a 1Password situation. This is good for many reasons because of digital fraud, because of
00:47:45.360 like all sorts of things but to have a one pass and then you have the password to the one password
00:47:50.340 like that's going to give you access to retirement accounts it's going to give you access to their
00:47:55.380 email so you can see when like weird bills come in that's going to allow you to look at the the
00:48:00.160 bank statement like i've just heard from so many people who think that they have like canceled all
00:48:04.840 of the things and then they're like and yet still i am getting charged this like random bill from
00:48:10.880 this random thing that my parents signed up for like and I it was an annual subscription so I
00:48:16.120 didn't realize from the credit card statement that it was a ever renewing annual experience like
00:48:20.840 thing and then like it overdrafted the account or blah blah blah right like yeah get all those
00:48:26.080 things that would be hugely helpful like my parents were so technophobic I don't know if I
00:48:30.960 ever could have gotten them to do that but like if you can get them to do that do that that would
00:48:35.140 shout out to my mom who has done this and has told me exactly where the one password is and
00:48:39.840 like all of those things so yes we love parents who embrace technology thank you technology and
00:48:44.960 has done like supreme planning because she doesn't want to create this this extra labor for us so
00:48:50.520 yeah it's an act of love sorry i have a clarifying question are there time constraints around all of
00:48:57.140 this like are there deadlines for when you have to go to probate court or can you like take your
00:49:01.340 time while you're grieving not it's it's squeaky there's not like a concrete time i would say
00:49:07.740 probably within a month go to the probate court. Because again, you can't go to the probate court
00:49:13.660 until you get the death certificates. So don't even worry about it until then. But I would say
00:49:18.180 after you get the death certificates, that should give you time to locate whether or not there is
00:49:22.600 a will also. And then once you know whether or not there is or is not a will, you can head over
00:49:28.540 to the probate court. When I talked to the state attorneys for my book, they said about a month
00:49:34.260 sounded right you know but then in terms of how long it can take kind of depends on the complexity
00:49:39.740 of the estate and how quickly you can do things while also parenting or doing a full-time job or
00:49:45.840 all of the above you know it really kind of depends so there are a couple things like loose
00:49:50.680 ends that I am still my dad died in 2023 there are a couple things that I am still trying to tie up
00:49:55.720 just because they're especially irritating and because I didn't have the time to do them before
00:50:00.160 so are there penalties like what if you don't go to probate court like what happens that's such a
00:50:06.900 great question i don't know i think it's technically illegal but i've never heard of anyone being like
00:50:12.040 i think it would be your parent died and you didn't go to court like maybe just the state 0.88
00:50:17.400 just takes all the shit yeah i think the state could eventually just take all the stuff or of 0.98
00:50:21.660 course if you were like using their resources without permission they could charge you with 0.99
00:50:24.820 fraud, you know. But I've never heard of anyone being like, and they were arrested for not going
00:50:32.220 to probate court fast enough. Right. Next question is from Lauren, and it's about how all of this
00:50:37.640 works with parents that you are personally estranged from. I would love to hear about
00:50:41.800 the specific scenario of estranged parents dying. I'm estranged from my father for good reasons,
00:50:47.460 and I dread the paperwork nightmare that will come with his death. Although getting any
00:50:51.600 inheritance would be a welcome gift, what things can or should I do to help prepare for the special
00:50:57.200 circumstance of having an estranged, difficult parent die? What responsibilities fall to children?
00:51:03.420 What will the state take on, if anything? I know he has a will, but we haven't spoken in over a
00:51:07.960 decade about it. What can I do to make my life easier when he inevitably dies? This is such an
00:51:14.000 important question. I'm so glad we have this. That's why I chose it. So yeah, and that sucks.
00:51:19.180 It's a tough one. And it's something that happens to so many people. The state's not going to take on anything, first of all. Like the state's, that's not the state's job is not to make your life easier. So the state, unfortunately, is not going to take on anything. And this is tough, not only because you're dealing with the emotional impact of estrangement and you're mourning the relationship you could have had, but it's also tough because you don't really know the specifics because you don't talk. You don't even know if that will is still in effect or if he's written you out entirely. 0.96
00:51:45.420 Totally. Yeah. It's like he doesn't even have one anymore. It's like, who knows? So you're like in this black box of like, what even is going to happen? I would say if you do talk to anyone who still talks to him, maybe see if they could broach the topic in any way or like get some info, you know, see if they could do some reconnaissance for you.
00:52:04.060 that could be helpful um you if you do end up being the executor if that will is still in effect
00:52:10.200 and you're the executor of the estate you can take on that work technically you have the option
00:52:16.240 if you for whatever reason really don't want to do it your estrangement is too painful you don't
00:52:20.740 want to take on that role um you can technically petition the court and say like i'm not fit to be
00:52:26.280 an executor but you have to prove why like you would have to go to court and explain and you
00:52:31.080 might have to get a lawyer you're gonna have to do legal fees and stuff so technically you can step
00:52:35.740 away from that role the court like gives you an option but you do have to go still go through the
00:52:40.460 court uh to get rid of of that um but i think the best thing you could do is maybe familiarize
00:52:46.240 yourself with the probate process in the state where your estranged parent lives yeah um maybe
00:52:51.860 even contact an estate attorney in that area and just get an overview of what the laws are because
00:52:56.960 then at least you'll know what steps you are in for, even if you can't talk to your parent directly
00:53:04.920 about what's left for you to do or what property there will be, etc. You at least can get an idea
00:53:10.000 of what the laws are. That's such a good idea, especially if this is something like one of those
00:53:15.660 kind of like in the middle of the night you think about like what a clusterfuck it's going to be 0.95
00:53:19.840 when you're a strange parent dies. Like if that will put your mind slightly at ease that at least 0.99
00:53:24.700 you know what the process is going to look like. And, you know, an hour with an estate attorney
00:53:29.160 in that state, it's not going to cost you that much money. And it's not that much for peace of
00:53:34.160 mind. So I strongly suggest that. Okay. Next and final question is about strained relationships.
00:53:41.200 And I just thought this was a good one for us to end on. This is from Sean.
00:53:45.000 My parents are in their late 70s and are still living independently, but I know I will be the
00:53:49.460 one dealing with the paperwork when they die. My siblings and I have a difficult relationship with
00:53:54.120 our parents. They recently told me that they created a trust and that I will be the executor
00:53:59.220 of that trust and refuse to give me any other information. I'm not sure what my question is
00:54:04.380 here. I guess I'm just looking for reassurance and tips from Becky about how to manage this
00:54:08.880 knowledge of my ignorance. I am spending my days carrying around a constant low level of anxiety,
00:54:14.560 knowing that I will oversee something that I have no information about. For reference,
00:54:18.620 I'm a 51-year-old female, the youngest of three children. I have a twin sister and an older sister
00:54:24.540 who is 54, and my two siblings are barely on speaking terms with my parents these days.
00:54:30.000 My siblings and I have always had a fraught relationship with our parents as they have
00:54:34.300 exceptionally strong personalities and have rarely respected our boundaries and autonomy
00:54:39.660 as children. I think I'm only the executor of the trust by default because I'm the only child with
00:54:45.860 whom they have consistently maintained communication in the last few years.
00:54:50.660 What advice can you offer to the person who will one day oversee what is likely to be
00:54:55.440 a fraught situation?
00:54:57.920 All right.
00:54:58.440 What do you think?
00:55:00.160 Well, I would say I'm sorry that your relationship with your parents is so difficult, but at
00:55:04.760 least they've made things slightly easier for you by creating a trust.
00:55:08.080 So you're not going to have to go through probate court, assuming they put everything
00:55:12.920 in the trust.
00:55:13.520 But even if they didn't, you have that pour over will. Any attorney worth their salt is going to have a pour over will with that trust. So if there's something that they left out, you can take that pour over will and go to the court and say it's supposed to go in the trust and it'll take a bit, but they'll move that over for you.
00:55:30.060 So that's great because then what that means is you can start dealing with creditors, all of that stuff right from the get go.
00:55:36.500 You don't have to be supervised by the court to do any of that.
00:55:39.960 So if they have a credit card bill, you can just immediately call the credit card company and be like, I want to cancel this card.
00:55:44.420 You know, you can just start going through that stuff right away.
00:55:46.800 You can go to the bank right away.
00:55:48.060 You can sell their house right away.
00:55:49.780 Anything like that.
00:55:51.020 You just have permission to do that automatically as the technically you're the successor trustee, not the executor.
00:55:57.900 But that doesn't matter.
00:55:58.820 You're effectively the executor. And then trusts have different terms. Probably it's hard when you don't know exactly what they set up. But most likely it's going to be a revocable living trust, which is just a way to do the same thing as a will, but without probate court. But theoretically, I mean, just like with the will, they could have left. The terms of the trust could be like, you are required to distribute all of this property to our alma mater or to our church or whatever or to take care of our fancy bonsai tree. You know what I mean? Like, it's just you don't know.
00:56:28.820 And then as a trustee, you do have a fiduciary obligation to all of the beneficiaries of that trust.
00:56:36.640 So that would probably be your siblings, I would guess, but who knows, you know.
00:56:40.560 But so just make sure you're communicating with your siblings about what the terms of the trust are.
00:56:46.040 You show them the paperwork if they will ask to see the paperwork.
00:56:49.620 Tell them exactly how much there is.
00:56:52.220 Just keep them like it's really easy.
00:56:54.160 I'm the successor trustee of my parents' trust.
00:56:56.680 And my sister, there's a reason I am.
00:56:58.400 it's because my sister doesn't like to think about any of that stuff. And so I will often say
00:57:02.540 to my sister, hey, do you want to know about this? And she's like, no, I don't want to talk about
00:57:06.560 this ever. Just do this stuff. But the fact that you're being really transparent about it
00:57:10.820 is really, I think, helpful to the health of your relationship and any siblings who are dealing with
00:57:16.200 this. Same thing. Yeah. I feel really lucky that I did not have estranged relationship issues in
00:57:22.440 any regard or difficult family members. My sister and I, we squabble sometimes, but we knew we were
00:57:26.640 going to split it 50 50 it's fine i tried to get rid of my parents stuff to my relative to like
00:57:30.740 their siblings i was like surely you want these sentimental pieces and they're like no we're old
00:57:35.300 we don't want any more stuff and i'm like you're not helping me you know we have a whole other
00:57:42.020 episode that's all about like what to do with all of your parents stuff so it'll be such a great
00:57:48.380 paired episode with this um but i do think like being transparent also uh this sounds like a
00:57:57.600 classic like scenario where the parents aren't saying anything about the the like details of
00:58:02.580 the trust in part because they don't want to cause like they want any drama that it causes to be none
00:58:08.880 of their business which is like so rude um but hopefully it's something very simple like a
00:58:14.120 three-way split or something like that yeah but also like one nice thing about this is that like
00:58:20.120 what is legally in the trust the executor is bound to execute that right like they can't be like no
00:58:26.240 I changed my mind actually like we should do this instead yeah yeah no it's like the terms of the
00:58:30.840 trust you have to follow the terms of the trust you can't just be like oh they left it all to
00:58:34.700 their bonsai tree I say no no you can't do that you have to follow what the trust says yeah um
00:58:39.620 I'm trying to think, is there anything else, like, have you heard from people who have, like, used some of the advice from your site or from the book, like, anything that's made people feel like they're less alone?
00:58:54.780 Like, I want to give us a little hope at the end of this episode that, like, this is survivable, I guess.
00:59:01.160 Yeah, it is survivable.
00:59:02.700 You are going to figure it out because you have to.
00:59:05.180 I would say, first of all, I tend to tell people that they don't inherit their parents' debts because that seems to take a large weight off their mind.
00:59:13.340 You know, they don't have to worry about that.
00:59:15.100 And I think that's not something that's clear.
00:59:17.240 So it's helpful to make that clear.
00:59:18.980 And then I would also say you are more important than the probate process.
00:59:24.580 Like your life is more important than figuring this stuff out.
00:59:27.140 So don't feel bad if you take breaks to do things.
00:59:32.060 You know, like if you want to hang out with your friends instead of go through the bills that night, you should prioritize that because your current living existence is more important than what your dead parents wanted.
00:59:43.420 So just take the time to like keep in touch with your friends.
00:59:46.240 Don't isolate yourself.
00:59:47.380 Ask for help if you need it.
00:59:48.980 Like a lot of people have difficulty, I think, because especially people our age haven't gone through it a lot.
00:59:55.220 So if you're talking to your friends, I have nice friends, so they will help me with things.
00:59:58.840 you know um hey do you want to sit with me at the brewery while I go through this mail you know
01:00:04.340 stuff like that just you don't have to do it alone you can do it with other people you can
01:00:08.240 talk to your friends about it it is survivable you can learn this stuff I don't think of myself
01:00:14.140 as particularly like oh financial wunderkind you know what I mean I studied I have an English
01:00:19.460 degree you know but like but I did learn it it's possible to figure it out yeah and I think like
01:00:26.780 do you feel like finding a lawyer is also an opaque process? Because I found one for me that
01:00:35.200 this is actually like so serendipitous. I asked my financial advisor, like, is there a lawyer that
01:00:40.820 you recommend? Because I just didn't know how to like you Google lawyer, right? And she recommended
01:00:49.120 the best, like this person who like, she's queer, and she really understands, like, that there should
01:00:56.280 be a way and a place for different sorts of like wills and planning and all this sort of thing like 0.67
01:01:01.620 she was just we're just on the same wavelength and you can find that person it might be kind of hard
01:01:06.040 but you can find that person who can help you grapple with all of this stuff i was terrified
01:01:10.220 to get a lawyer because i think we put lawyers on a pedestal in our society they're like oh they had
01:01:15.060 to take the bar they're the smartest people and i don't after talking to many i'm not sure that's
01:01:18.860 always true but like you know but they're like normal people with normal jobs and you find one
01:01:23.820 The same way you find any other thing, which is either by Googling it and looking at reviews or asking your friends for recommendations or asking your financial advisor or your bank or whoever for a recommendation.
01:01:34.940 Your state bar association, usually on their website, will have like a list where you can filter by, you know, by what's the word I'm looking for?
01:01:42.100 By specialty.
01:01:43.920 Yeah.
01:01:44.180 Yeah.
01:01:44.760 So you can filter for estate attorneys or elder law attorneys.
01:01:48.200 You find it the same way you find your hair salon ultimately, you know.
01:01:52.500 But so it's not that intimidating. And talking to a lawyer is not that intimidating in the end, but it might feel that way.
01:02:00.600 And if you have a lawyer friend who does not do this type of law, which like I have like many lawyer friends who don't do this type of law at all, but they know people who do that they like like as people and think would be nice.
01:02:12.000 So you can always go that direction as well. Yeah, absolutely.
01:02:14.780 Melody is there anything else that is still on your mind about like any of this I just want to
01:02:21.920 like answer all questions no I feel like I know 100% more than I did at the outset
01:02:28.180 I know a lot more too and even that's like even though I have been talking to a lawyer about my
01:02:35.620 own will and also like know a lot about my mom's will because she's so on top of stuff like I still
01:02:40.000 like I feel like I understand the probate process a lot more. So thank you so much. This is like
01:02:46.160 the perfect service episode. I really love it. Oh, wonderful. Thank you for having me. I'm so
01:02:50.820 excited to be here and I'm so excited I can clarify some of the stuff for people so that
01:02:55.000 they don't have to figure it out the hard way like I did. I'd rather just tell you about it
01:02:59.580 so you can do it more easily. Where can people find you on the internet if they want to find
01:03:03.400 more of your stuff? Yes, I am at deadparentswhatnow.com. Very easy to remember. I write
01:03:09.860 a weekly newsletter called The Columbarium, which is about the history of death and dying
01:03:14.560 and practical advice related to that, and also jokes, because that's what I do. And you can get
01:03:19.580 to that from my website if you want to sign up. It's free. I also am on lots of different social
01:03:24.380 media at deadparentswhatnow. And the book is out. Wherever you buy books, My Parents Are Dead,
01:03:29.960 What Now? A Panic-Free Guide to the Practicalities of Death. Amazing. It's on my coffee table right
01:03:34.860 now, just so that people walking in will be like, oh, interesting. What's this? So your parents
01:03:39.420 aren't dead but i do like it's a good conversation starter so absolutely yeah
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