00:01:49.340So we've been very happy to see this podcast continue to grow.
00:01:52.880And we've often had questions about how it works, like why you have to subscribe, all that kind of stuff.
00:01:57.800And so we wanted to take a moment to kind of reorient and explain how Diabolical Lies work.
00:02:02.360This is a paid episode, which means that the first, you know, 30 or so minutes are free and then the rest is behind a paywall.
00:02:08.800Diabolical Lies is completely subscriber funded.
00:02:11.880We do not take advertisers. Even the free episodes are basically funded by the support of paid
00:02:18.100subscribers. Yeah, so for example, in this episode, we are going to talk a lot of shit about beauty0.98
00:02:23.960culture and it would be really awkward if the first thing you heard when you clicked play was0.85
00:02:28.600this episode was brought to you by L'Oreal and not a discontinued smoky eyeshadow palette from
00:02:33.980Urban Decay. Yeah, and everyone already knows about BetterHelp, so I think we're all set with
00:02:39.020that. But I have been thinking a lot about this and what it means to ask someone to pay for your
00:02:44.400work. And I have had a lot of jobs. I have been paid for a lot of different things. And this is
00:02:49.180by far the work that I'm the proudest of and something that I think about because it is a lot
00:02:53.760to ask someone to pay $8 a month. That is not something we take lightly. And something I've
00:02:58.840been thinking about as we've been doing this podcast, Katie, is that you and I went into this
00:03:02.660very instinctually. Like we just really enjoyed speaking with each other. I think that we both
00:03:07.040inherently thought of the other person as, like, I remember when I met you, I was like,
00:03:10.680oh, that's the smartest person in the room. And I just, like, wanted to spend more time
00:03:13.920learning from you. Let me disabuse you of that notion today.
00:03:18.540Something that I really love that was, like, a little radicalizing moment for me in my life was
00:03:23.040listening to David Foster Wallace's commencement speech called This Is Water. If you haven't read
00:03:27.800the speech, it's a book now, and you can read it. It's very quick. You can read it online. You can
00:03:31.340watch it. But the whole point of it is trying to understand what the purpose of an education is.
00:03:35.840And the point that he was trying to make is that we have this idea that an education is trying to teach you things, but a true education is trying to actually teach you how to think, not what to think.
00:03:45.820And I feel like this podcast is basically you and I chronicling our efforts to try to really interrogate how we think and why we think more so than what specifically we're thinking about, and then trying to use that as a lens to apply it for the world.
00:04:00.420And so I say all of that because I think it's true that we have very long conversations. It's true that we put a fuck ton of work into these episodes. And all of those are reasons to support, I think. But the biggest reason is because my hope with this podcast is that you're coming away from each episode not just learning about one thing, but starting to interrogate how you think and why you think and starting to be able to apply that to everything else in your life.
00:04:24.320And so I can say that that's happening to me just by the process of participating in this podcast. And I'm really proud of the work that we're doing. I'm really, really grateful for how many people have signed up. It's so exciting. And we have a lot of plans that we are currently working through that we will be announcing in the year to come.
00:04:40.780Yeah, we're very thrilled about where this train is headed. So hop on, y'all. Part of the reason, I think, Cara, that I was inspired to explore this topic today with you is for a lot of what you just discussed, which is I can no longer see the world not through this lens.
00:04:58.020So I'm seeing things like the inauguration and I'm seeing things like this piece in New York
00:05:04.340Magazine about the parties that happened on inauguration weekend and the SMU Kappa from
00:05:09.160Mountain Brook, Alabama in her little polyester Zara shift dress on the cover of New York Magazine.
00:05:14.000And I'm going, what does it mean? What does it all mean? And something that I've picked up on
00:05:19.880is that the most visible women in the Trump coalition right now all have something in common.
00:05:27.200And by in the coalition, I don't necessarily mean they are politicians themselves, but they are the women who the Trump coalition tolerates receiving attention and being associated with them and being visible in their orbit.1.00
00:05:44.560Tolerates receiving attention? That just hit me like a bag of bricks.
00:05:49.540A bag of 70-pound hair extensions.0.91
00:05:51.740Yeah, there was a lot of chatter in the immediate weeks following the election that you were probably plugged into that, oh, the trad wife soft girl aesthetic. This was a harbinger of Trumpism returning and we all missed it.0.57
00:06:03.680And, like, at first that did seem totally plausible to me, but I'm actually starting to see this a little bit differently because I think what you're going to see today is that there is almost this uncanny funhouse mirror effect happening to the concept of femininity in the new right.
00:06:21.740it is becoming distorted it's almost collapsing in on itself and i have really come to see this
00:06:28.780as a physical manifestation of the gender politics in our country becoming more and more
00:06:32.900fucked up technical term and increasing cultural anxieties about gender labor technology so it's
00:06:41.180especially notable that this is all happening at a moment when the conversation about the rights of
00:06:45.420trans people and like let's be honest it's usually trans women that we're talking about
00:06:49.200is at such an unproductive boiling point.1.00
00:06:51.700Like, the women who are most prominent in Trump's circle0.94
00:06:54.260are now starting to perform their womanhood0.95
00:06:57.080in increasingly garish and extreme ways.1.00
00:06:59.960So, am I using this episode as an excuse to talk shit about Nancy Mace's fake eyelashes1.00
00:07:08.780But more importantly, women's bodies are often a battleground1.00
00:07:12.660for ideas about control and power,1.00
00:07:14.460and nowhere is that more fucking obvious right now0.97
00:07:17.080than on stage next to Donald Trump.0.98
00:07:19.200Do you remember, what, seven or so years ago during the first Trump administration when we had a full-out cultural brawl about whether or not Sarah Huckabee Sanders' eyeshadow was up to fucking debate?0.94
00:10:28.100Central to this idea was really playing up the idea that like extending this power to0.99
00:10:32.500women was not threatening to the status quo. Look at this beautiful, demure mother in a dress with0.95
00:10:38.080three children hanging off of her. The vote's not going to diminish her capacity to make you1.00
00:10:42.920dinner. It's going to expand it. And of course, part of this meant hiding all the suffragists
00:10:47.640of color, kicking them into the closet, basically being like, we are willing to throw Black women1.00
00:10:51.700under the bus eight days a week to get the vote. But to me, it was really this, oh, wow moment of0.99
00:10:58.600This didn't start with Megyn Kelly on Fox News. In political action, in political messaging, women's appearance or the perception of that appearance is inseparable from the content of their political message.
00:11:11.920It's sort of like the medium is the message, but in this case, the medium is an unmoving, shoulder-length blonde bob.0.88
00:11:19.040And this goes both ways. Like, the modern-day equivalent to the ugly masculine suffragist is the blue-haired militant feminist that Ben Shapiro is obsessed with.
00:11:28.120Yeah. So now we're going to talk about Fox News Blonde, as promised. There was a great article about this in The Guardian about seven years ago, around the beginning of Trump's first term, which was basically asking, why do all of the Fox News hosts look alike? And so I'm going to show you another image. And again, I want you to describe what you're looking at.
00:11:49.460oh my god I feel so sick okay wait this is actually very funny I'm gonna describe what
00:11:58.060I'm looking at but here's how I'm gonna describe it so I had to send in a bunch of comps for like
00:12:02.940different book design ideas for yesteryear and so I was looking through like all these famous
00:12:06.800psychological thriller covers oh good the Stepford Wives has basically one of the covers for the
00:12:13.640Stepford Wives is based it's really lit it's all these Barbie dolls but they're just Barbie doll0.97
00:12:18.680heads and it's one after another and it's really unnerving it's all these women's faces that are0.99
00:12:24.400like half real half clay and they're all almost identical but very different and anyways that's1.00
00:12:30.080what I'm looking at right now I'm looking so that's this yes I'm looking at this right now0.96
00:12:35.560and it's so many blonde women and at first I didn't recognize any of them because they all
00:12:39.960look so similar but I'm seeing Ivanka Trump I am seeing Megyn Kelly I am seeing is that um
00:12:48.140Lauren, what's her name? Tommy Loren. Yeah, you've also got Ann Coulter, I think.
00:12:54.100Yep. Kellyanne Conway. It's actually hard to identify their names. I feel like I'm experiencing
00:12:59.620a neural overload by seeing so many women and realizing how identical they all look.0.99
00:13:04.080This is fucking crazy. Yeah, so we call that dissociation.0.98
00:13:07.860You are dissociating right now, I can confirm. So this was the cover photo for a cut article
00:13:13.820that we're going to read from that is called The Politics of Blondness. But really what we're
00:13:19.060seeing is like a bunch of women that are prominent in Fox News type infotainment media. And they all1.00
00:13:25.920have this very like sculpted shoulder length, yellow blonde, side parted hair. On Fox News,
00:13:32.260they're typically wearing these like jewel tone body skimming dresses. There's a little bit of
00:13:36.240tasteful cleavage. You always are getting like a nice leg shot. And this to me really represents1.00
00:13:42.640sort of the end of the old regime of George W. Bush-style conservatism.
00:13:47.700So, Bush's presidency, something really critical that happened during those eight years was the
00:13:54.200beginning of the 24-hour news cycle. And the 24-hour news cycle served a very different purpose from
00:13:59.660the pre-9-11 news cycle. There is this article that I want us to read from that says this yellow
00:14:05.660blonde shoulder-length plastic Mrs. Incredible hairstyle is basically like the dog whistle1.00
00:14:11.760of whiteness that's required to serve that function on television.0.84
00:14:17.220Okay. It's an unspoken declaration of values, a wink-wink to the power of racial privilege
00:14:23.360and to the 1980s vibe. The old blonde, common on Fox News, is a specific look. It's layered0.97
00:14:29.640and yellow and never too long. I was actually just thinking that. It's controlled and polished
00:14:34.220and always in place. In earlier generations, news was delivered almost exclusively by white men.0.92
00:17:23.760The TLDR is that it's the gaze of capitalism, like the gaze of consumerism.0.97
00:17:27.940So, yeah, not to, like, give the entire fucking episode away in the first 20 minutes, but basically this is conspicuous consumption as an aesthetic identity, okay? That's, like, basically what we're talking about.0.62
00:17:38.480So here's the thing that I think is so fascinating about this, though. Most people point to 2016 in American politics as, like, the big turning point for gender and gender norms in the Republican Party. It's, like, Hillary versus Trump. Like, that's when everything really fractured.
00:17:52.800and when America heard the Access Hollywood tape
00:21:41.600McCain had hired Palin as a gimmick rather than as a colleague, and thus had no idea what to do with her.
00:21:47.220His campaign fed her straight into the blades of the press, which exposed such deep ignorance of basic policy questions that Tina Fey could parody her on Saturday Night Live, yep, by simply repeating what she had said.0.99
00:21:58.720But even had they prepared and protected Palin better, the combustibility of what she brought to the table was a preview of the metaphysical impossibility of women gaining real power on the right.1.00
00:22:09.940She was a star, and then, almost immediately, too much of one.
00:22:13.900Palin's poor media showing would be blamed for her ticket's loss, but the eagerness to throw her under the bus surely stemmed in part from irritation.
00:22:55.880And so her personal brand has been called the point where grievance politics entered the right-wing mainstream. It was more brazenly style-based rather than substance-based because, frankly, like, she didn't know shit about shit, but people fucking loved her.0.99
00:23:09.620She was a star. And so it's kind of a premonition of what was to come. But yeah, I want to pause and I want to talk for a moment about what we can take from this. Women in American politics have largely been treated as ornamental and present primarily to convey some general vibe to the constituents of whichever party is touting them, whichever version of femininity they are embodying.0.99
00:23:34.780And in the early 2000s and 2010s, there were a couple of ways that you could telegraph that you0.97
00:23:40.740were not threatening to the status quo with your appearance and your demeanor. So you can do the
00:23:46.360Fox News blonde soccer mom thing, which does not require being blonde. For the record, I think Katie0.98
00:23:51.560Britt is also playing into this font of womanhood, delivering the address from her kitchen and like0.75
00:23:57.100the Kelly Green button down with a gigantic diamond cross necklaces, smiling and not blinking1.00
00:24:02.660through a story about gang rape. Or you can be the Sarah Palin sexy grizzly bear librarian,
00:24:09.340which is like the playbook that you could argue Lauren Boebert embodies,
00:24:13.280putting her children holding AR-15s on her Christmas card. But what you definitely,
00:24:19.060definitely cannot do, Caroline, is try to take your femaleness out of the picture.1.00
00:24:26.160Because the second that you cease to be legible as woman, you are no longer legible1.00
00:24:32.280as human. So now we're going to skip ahead to 2016, and you're going to read from Trayster's1.00
00:24:38.500piece again. Hillary Clinton was perhaps the most acute example of an assertive Democratic woman1.00
00:24:44.460whose efforts to satisfy a ravening press and public intolerant of female complexity left her0.99
00:24:50.160so twisted and poll-tested that she became largely illegible as human, let alone female.0.99
00:25:10.780That's their whole bag is identity politics.0.83
00:25:13.060They just don't call it that because it's identity politics for white men.
00:25:17.260It's not that women's appearances have, like, only now become political.
00:25:20.260That's definitely not what we're saying.0.50
00:25:21.600It's just they've always been central because of how intrinsically bound up appearance is with womanhood and womanhood with personhood.
00:25:29.880But the shift that we are witnessing now is sending some very conspicuous signals.
00:25:35.340So to understand what I mean, let's take a look at the current cast of characters who are prominent in Trump circles.
00:25:42.300And as we do this, I just want you to keep in the back of your mind that Donald Trump owned the Miss Universe pageant.
00:25:47.420And his ideal woman is, according to Trayster, quote, a simulacrum of every sculpted, shiny, glittery, enhanced expectation of femininity.
00:25:57.420It's like, you know, a caricature of what it means to be a girl.
00:26:01.360And so the weird thing about this, and I think others have pointed this out before, is just that Trump seems to actually find the natural female body sort of repulsive.
00:26:10.640so you may remember his comments about blood coming out of megan kelly's wherever
00:26:15.320or clinton's bathroom break during a debate as being disgusting i would also add that like even1.00
00:26:21.640his most lewd public comments of grab her by the pussy it kind of feels like a robot programmed1.00
00:26:28.100like hours of pornography script trying to do locker room talk there is no sex act that involves1.00
00:26:34.480grabbing a pussy it's like such an outrageous and inherently unsexy phrase and so it's a really0.99
00:26:40.520weird and stilted way to talk about how much you like love the female body yeah i've been thinking1.00
00:26:47.020about that first of all with the new york magazine about like the new right and how like all these
00:26:50.560young people are like conservatism is sexy again and how in the u.s our relationship to sex is so
00:26:56.120based on power and has nothing to do with sensuality and i think you see that in the way that0.99
00:27:00.100donald trump talks about fucking people where it's like it's not about finding the female form0.99
00:27:04.940attractive it's not about being aroused by breasts or hips or someone's face it's about1.00
00:27:10.140wanting to fuck them in the most literal sense it's conquest and I what I was also thinking0.99
00:27:15.620about what you're talking about him being grossed out by the female form I think something that you1.00
00:27:19.820and I talk about privately with each other all the time is this general feminist foundational
00:27:25.340belief that it's pretty interesting that just to be a woman naturally is a radical act like if you0.99
00:27:31.980choose not to shave your legs if you choose not to pluck little sprigs of facial hair like
00:27:37.500just not buying in on stuff is actually the most radical thing you can do I think it really speaks
00:27:43.500to this whole idea that like even if you are the type of woman who I think you and I might both say
00:27:49.120that we are which is like yeah I don't wear makeup that often or when I do I'm thoughtful about it and
00:27:53.340you are never opting out of this it is so hard to just actually be a quote-unquote natural woman
00:27:59.840which is why it's so fucking funny that all these people are always talking about being a natural0.53
00:28:03.880woman. There's nothing fucking natural about this. There's not a fucking natural woman in sight,0.99
00:28:08.120babe. It's drag show all the way down. All right. So I have three prominent examples that we're1.00
00:28:14.260going to talk about. And this is who I see as especially representative of the bizarre aesthetic
00:28:20.540transformation of women on the new right. So you can kind of understand the pattern that I think1.00
00:28:25.140is playing out here. So phase one was matronly conservative shoulder pad woman, Barbara Bush.1.00
00:28:30.920Phase two was safe hot Fox News host. Phase three is what we're moving into now. It's Kimberly0.95
00:28:37.680Guilfoyle. It's Kristi Noem. It's Laura Trump. Hell, it's even Bezos' fiance, Lauren Sanchez.
00:28:44.600And by that, I mean visible plastic surgery, secret lives of Mormon wives' hair, generally harsh,0.92
00:28:52.420severe makeup. It's a very frantic, fevered, labor-intensive performance of hyper-femininity0.99
00:29:00.400that almost starts to read like drag. Oh, I don't think almost. I think like
00:29:04.100100%. Like, it's just drag, for sure. Okay, so the first visible example here
00:29:10.640is Kirstie Noem. What do you know about Kirstie Noem besides that she shot her puppy, which0.98
00:29:14.420everyone knows? I actually, I don't know anything about her.
00:29:18.140Great. Well, I'm pleased to be the one to ruin your life today. So, Kirstie Noem is the governor of South Dakota, who was in the running to become Trump's VP, okay? Like, big deal. Until her book came out, and there was this, like, horrifying anecdote that she included about shooting her puppy and then leaving it to rot in a gravel pit. And she was like, you guys are taking it out of context, but then the context just made it way worse.