00:01:45.780Co-founded Pagan Watch, a watchdog organization formed to protect Pagan and help promote the
00:01:51.720resettlement of the former residents displaced as Mount Poggin's eruption in 1981 and co-founded
00:01:58.200the Alternative Zero Coalition, which was newly formed in 2015 to advocate for and protect the
00:02:04.900Mariana Islands, especially Poggin and Tinian, from irreparable destruction at the hands of the
00:02:10.600U.S. military and its allies, which intend to turn their sacred inhabited island homes of Poggin
00:02:17.140and Tinian into target practices using live fire bombings and heavy artillery shellings.0.99
00:02:23.760Well, welcome, Sinta. Thank you so much for joining us and for sharing with us this deeply
00:02:30.480important information that many of us just don't have any access to in mainstream media.
00:02:36.720Hello, Tiro, Hofoday, Ayana. Thank you so much for inviting me to join you on this program and
00:02:46.500to share this very important information that is affecting all of us who live here in the
00:02:56.800Mariana Islands. Well, I'd like to begin at the heart of today's topic by reading a quote of
00:03:04.660yours I came across while researching the proposed militarization of Pagan. Quote,
00:03:09.540if the Navy's plans go ahead, they will turn our homeland into a militarized wasteland,
00:03:15.040and we will never be able to return, end quote. And so I'd like to start this conversation by
00:03:22.180exploring the ongoing and immediate threats faced by the islands of Poggin and Tinian,
00:03:28.000both of which are part of the northern Mariana Islands. So Sinta, can you share with our
00:03:33.820listeners why the U.S. military wants to acquire Poggin and what they intend to do there? And how
00:03:40.400How is life on Tinian radically transformed already due to the United States military's presence?0.85
00:03:47.100Well, first of all, Pagan is key to the whole buildup.0.97
00:03:51.100When the United States and Japan agreed to reduce some of the presence of the military in Japan, in Okinawa,0.75
00:04:03.220They decided to split up the number of Marines and send some to Hawaii, some to Australia, some to Guam.
00:04:14.820So that basically is what they called the tip of the spear.
00:04:20.060They made that decision to send the military to Guam, which is 200 or so miles south of Saipan.
00:04:30.820And at the time that this decision was made, the Navy issued a statement that they would not need any more places to train the Marines outside of Guam.
00:04:46.420And this is important because they had to comply with NEPA requirements that basically said that they had to reveal not only what the plan was, but invite comments, and they were supposed to look at alternative trainings.
00:05:03.120And this was designed to allow the people a chance to learn what was going on or about to happen in the community.
00:05:12.900And if there was something that they did not agree with, that this would give them a chance to air their concerns with their leaders, their local leaders, and bring this to the attention of the military so they can resolve things.
00:05:26.700Well, apparently the Navy blatantly lied because they said that they did not need any more training outside of Guam.
00:05:36.400And meanwhile, they were already planning two other trainings that were to happen.
00:05:44.100And that the two training ranges, the live fire training ranges that they did not review at the time were announced later.
00:05:55.020And those two ranges were planned for where I live, which is the Northern Marianas.
00:06:03.320One such training range involves Tinian.
00:06:08.820And the way that if you look at this whole thing, the Navy was slick because they realized that they would most likely receive a lot of opposition
00:06:20.560to them turning this whole region into the world's largest live training bombing complex.
00:06:30.500And so they decided to break down the plan into five separate standalone training ranges
00:06:41.660and try to avoid the opposition that way
00:06:46.540because this way they don't have to comply with the NEPA requirement of taking into consideration
00:06:54.280and reporting the cumulative impact of all this that is going on.
00:07:00.000So, for instance, the trainings that are supposed to happen on Guam,
00:07:07.680the level of training increases in intensity and volume in every way imaginable
00:07:16.940in the level of the types of trainings that they will be doing.
00:07:22.240That increases in intensity and in variety of ways when they reach Tinian.
00:07:29.060And then just summarizing this whole thing,
00:07:35.300Let me go back to our political history. When we were deciding what our political status would be in the 70s, the Commonwealth status is what the people eventually voted for to become a permanent Commonwealth or part of the United States family.
00:08:01.040And in that negotiation, to become a part of the United States family, we gave up, we agreed to give up two-thirds of Tinian to the U.S. military. We gave up an entire island and called for London in Indonesia, which the U.S. continually bombs, even today.
00:08:22.820we gave up part of the Tanapak Harbor.
00:08:44.220the U.S. would take two-thirds of the island,0.84
00:08:47.220and people would live on one-third of the island,
00:08:49.360And they would build a military base there. They would provide job opportunities for the people. They would allow the residents access to the schools and to shops and restaurants and whatever other amenities that would come along with providing for the families of the U.S. soldiers who would be relocated on the base.
00:10:35.580So they need to fish to not only continue their cultural practices, but also to supplement their income, feed their families.
00:10:46.320So the military will be closing off access to the beaches that allow the people to fish for their subsistence.
00:10:55.580And there are other areas in the property where the people go to collect medicine, medicinal plants.
00:11:06.620Also, every year, the people of Tinian host what they call the Pika Festival, which is the hot pepper festival that draws thousands of people to that tiny island every year.
00:11:19.000this is a great opportunity for them to generate some income
00:11:25.640and in the past I know that this issue has been raised
00:11:32.540as far as cutting off access to these hot pepper plants
00:11:45.960So the remark that one of the spokespersons for the military had basically said, which was really insulting, was, well, you know, if they can't get to it and get to it, then maybe it's time for them to get with the modern times.
00:12:06.920And basically what he was saying is, you know, we're backwards people that are still living in the dark ages and we're not with, you know, up with the modern times or modern life.
00:12:19.480So, you know, it's that kind of disrespect for the people and the culture.
00:12:26.220And the other thing that recently happened is the establishment or the signing of the agreement for the Divert Airfield.
00:12:36.920What this will do is it would open up a field on Tinian to receive overflow of aircraft from Guam.
00:12:49.720And as you can imagine, not only would the people be bombarded with the noise level from all the artillery shellings going on on Tinian,
00:13:01.540But then you add to the mix the noise pollution from the aircraft that will be landing and taking off from this tiny island.
00:13:13.500And just having the people be forced to put up with all this on the one-third of that island, try to imagine schoolchildren trying to concentrate to hear their teachers over their loud noises of howitzers going off or airplanes trying to take off or land.
00:13:35.360And imagine the elders who are still suffering from traumatic experiences of World War II and them hearing all this noise, animals being frightened.
00:13:49.460You know, there's just so much, so much that is a source of concern.
00:13:55.100So imagine all the intensity of this training happening on Tinian.0.67
00:14:00.400And then you move that to Pagan, where the military is just, they are hell-bent on trying to get this entire island, this entire island.0.67
00:14:15.220I have precious memories of living on Pagan, going to school in a two-room schoolhouse,
00:14:25.560Just going on school picnics where we got in a boat and we went to a beach on the other side of the island and pulled the boat ashore to the lagoon and going around in that lagoon, picking mangoes.
00:14:41.220I mean, just fruits and even learning to fish.
00:14:45.000Imagine this very serene, quiet place being turned into just a hellhole.
00:14:53.040Because what's going to happen is the Navy is planning to hold the highest impact, the full spectrum of their military training on that island.
00:15:05.800I'm talking about everything from amphibious training to bombs from the airplane and shelling the island from the ship and solar testing in our waters.
00:15:21.520It's just unbelievable to imagine this kind of fury being unleashed on that island that the people, my people, have been trying to return to since they were last evacuated from that island in 1981 after the volcano erupted.
00:15:42.680And now we are fighting this David versus Goliath battle because we are clearly outfinanced.
00:15:57.840We're just a small island community with people who are just ordinary folks.
00:16:03.960We're not trying to fight the military because we are unpatriotic.
00:16:09.120If you look at our records, you'll find that a lot of us have families who are either active or who were active in the armed forces and served the different branches of the military.
00:16:22.520I have two nephews who came home in coffins from the Iraq War, and they are missed every single day.
00:16:39.700I'm not saying that other lives do not matter, but I'm saying that the impact of losing someone in these small communities just reverberates.
00:16:52.520wider. And I just want to make that clear to people who accuse us of being anti-U.S. or
00:17:04.160anti-military. I never said anything about giving up my U.S. citizenship or my passport or anything
00:17:14.760like that but people often bully us when we speak up and say you know hey guys this is not not good
00:17:23.740what you're planning to do to our eyes is it's not good because it's not healthy you're exposing
00:17:29.920us to a lot of danger health-wise and you're putting a big target on our foreheads you know
00:17:36.740by choosing our location to have these large-scale military trainings.
00:17:49.280And people, some of our critics are quick to point out that, you know,
00:17:54.940we're so grateful to the military when the super typhoons came in
00:18:00.180and just basically leveled some of our islands, parts of our islands.
00:18:05.660And how could we be so ungrateful to that? But you know what? There's gratitude for what the military has done. No doubt about it. We thank them. We'll always be grateful.
00:18:19.300but when is how far does that gratitude extend think of it this way this is an analogy that
00:18:27.200may be crude but i say you know you have a doctor who saves your life because they
00:18:34.180operated on you to remove your your gallstones but then you're you're so grateful
00:18:40.960that you tell the doctor hey it's okay to kill me so you can discontinue to practice your0.81
00:18:48.260surgical skills. I mean, it's just ridiculous. You know, it's, it's what extent to what extent?0.99
00:18:57.760How can you turn away? Don't you care? Don't you care? How I feel as if all that we shared
00:21:13.400Sinta, you've given us so much to chew on so far, and I want to focus in on an area that you have
00:21:23.740mentioned. I really want to delve deeper into the ramifications of the military's presence.
00:21:28.800It seems like the military's training includes amphibious assaults, mortars, rockets, artillery, attack helicopters, and naval bombardment.
00:21:39.000And for many of us, this is something that is completely out of sight, out of mind.
00:21:42.820So I'd really like if you could share how the training would not only inevitably kill wildlife, exacerbate the endangerment of many species, destroy farmland, forest, and coral reefs,0.79
00:21:54.400but also the ways in which the indigenous peoples, mostly the Chamaro, would have their access to cultural sites and food sources completely restricted.
00:22:03.960Now, I know you'd already mentioned about the beaches and the collection of the herbs and fish,
00:22:08.700but maybe if you could go into more of what happens there physically when the military begins attacking,
00:22:15.540what do you see in terms of complete destruction?
00:23:16.020Take Pagan, for example. There's an ancient village that still needs to be surveyed on that island.
00:23:26.340So when they start dropping the thousand-pound bombs on that island and they have all these other military vehicles, heavy military vehicles that they will be bringing to the island if they succeed.
00:23:41.860because I continue to believe that programs like For the Wild
00:25:28.920You know, these are possibilities. And so people are highly concerned because obviously, whenever the military is about to conduct any sort of training, for example, for their bombing exercises, they come up from Guam and they fly over to Fernanda, Mendoniza, and they drop the bombs, carpet bombs on that island.
00:25:56.620And some of them end up in the waters.
00:26:02.320These are unexploded ordnance that expose not only the marine life to toxicity, but the fishermen who go fishing.
00:26:15.480But whenever they are about to do these bombing exercises, they also send out a notice and they restrict the space, you know, the airspace, the space around the area, water and so forth.
00:28:01.500Pagan, for example, is now at a stage where the government
00:28:07.120is finally recognizing the desires of the people to return home.
00:28:12.140And so just this year, the government, our Department of Public Lands,
00:28:17.220issued a notice that they were going to allow applicants to apply for homesteads up on Pargan.
00:28:25.400This is significant because back during the Trust Territory times in the 60s,
00:28:33.000when people were living up in the Northern Islands,
00:28:36.480It was a time when there was, you know, free movement, free flow of traffic back and forth between these islands.
00:28:45.100The people lived up there, and this is the 60s, around the time that I was living up there.
00:28:50.520I was born on Agrigan, and eventually my family moved to Pagan when my father was elected as a congressman representing the Northern Islands.
00:29:03.520And he was instrumental in being given some money, a budget, and he recruited the islands, men, women, and even my Peace Corps teachers, my first great Peace Corps teachers, and they all got together to patch up the old dirt Japanese airstrip that had been heavily bombed out during World War II.
00:29:27.300There was a Japanese population living on Pagan at the time also, not just Saipan, or even some of these other islands in the archipelago.
00:29:39.480But when they patched up that dirt airstrip, it reopened the air service to the northern islands since the end of World War II.
00:29:50.800And I recall that we had tourism up there where my 12-year-old brother used to lead.
00:29:57.120He was a guy that used to lead tourists to climb Mount Pagan.
00:30:00.980I used to stand on the front porch of our veranda and train the binocular up the volcano to gauge their progress.
00:30:49.020That's my first experience with the military was very positive in that these were people who were there to help the community.
00:30:57.860They were there to help rebuild the infrastructure.
00:31:01.740So, you know, the military wasn't always this, you know, this that I'm fighting today.
00:31:07.480I'm not opposing the military in the sense that I do not believe in making sure that they have a readily trained force to protect the nation, protect its allies.
00:31:20.360But, my God, you know, if you look at all the places that they could train in the world, why this very small, tiny island?
00:31:29.480Why bring so much destruction to our small rocks in this huge ocean?
00:34:36.580People need to understand is that the United States
00:34:39.500fought to wrestle these islands from Japan
00:34:44.260because they needed a strategic place0.76
00:34:47.240from which to launch the atomic bombs on Japan.
00:34:51.080It had nothing to do with coming here0.83
00:34:52.940to save the followers and the Chamorros from the Japanese.0.99
00:34:57.980So let's just be true and honest about that.0.99
00:35:02.720So even with all the negotiations that we went through0.99
00:35:08.520And if you talk to the Carolinian or the Falwash negotiators, they'll tell you that, you know, they just were not prepared to accept the Commonwealth as the status that they should choose.0.98
00:35:21.880But that seemed to be the status that was pushed and foisted upon them.0.87
00:35:27.940But anyway, even after all the things that the people gave up to become a part of the United States, one of the most important things is that we continually do feel like we are the stepchildren of America.
00:35:47.380We are not given equal rights, even though America is big on brandishing its democracy and equal rights and all that. But we can't vote for the president because we live here. We have to move to the United States in order to have that privilege.
00:36:09.060We do not have really a voice in Congress because our elected representative has no vote in the U.S. Congress.
00:36:19.960And so even though we are, quote unquote, U.S. citizens, it's a watered down version of that.
00:36:28.600But we also know that the United States often looks at our status and they will say that we are U.S. soil if it's to the United States' advantage, but we're not if it's not to the United States' advantage.
00:36:44.160So, we felt like we, in good faith, gave up what we could, as much as we could, to be adopted into the American political family. But, you know, in practicality, we just were not accepted fully into that family.
00:37:01.760And so that always leaves a sting, because our people, as I said, are patriotic. They serve in the military. They support the United States. I don't think that people, even back in the beginning, were 100% convinced that this was the right thing to do.
00:37:21.720And even today, some are still not convinced this is the right thing to do.
00:37:24.940But, you know, our question is, how much is too much to convey our loyalty to being U.S. citizens and to be patriots?
00:37:37.940Because I think that, you know, it's not fair that we're from this very tiny community and we aren't necessarily.
00:37:46.660I mean, yes, we do get funding. That's always thrown in our faces, that we get grants and funding, disaster relief and all that. But who doesn't? Name me what state that does not really get that. Well, maybe Puerto Rico had some problems recently. But I'm just saying that we're not treated equally. That hurts us.
00:38:06.600And so that is a big source of concern for us is the fact that we are being asked to sacrifice so much more.
00:38:15.620You know, if you were to maybe go to Iowa and ask the people if they would ever accept the kind of military trainings that are being proposed for our backyard, they're going to look at you like, get out of here.
00:39:33.380And the people were very concerned about that.
00:39:36.580And the other thing is the military is known for arriving and taking indigenous lands and polluting it and then just turning their backs.
00:39:46.780Kelly Iken Tenorio, the daughter of the Lake Chief Iken, he was a demolition chief.
00:39:53.220And Kelly shares the story of deathbed confession.
00:39:57.540He says, I feel sorry for you guys for what we buried here.
00:40:02.500There's so much that was buried here that people don't even know about.
00:40:06.920And, for example, the PCB containers that were left behind in World War II, you know,
00:40:14.260all these people were sitting around on them watching baseball games or even used to them for barbecues.
00:40:21.180And then they found out that it was leaking PCB and all this kind of stuff.
00:40:26.340And it really took the voices of citizens.
00:40:31.620My organization was called, and we joined the local citizens of Tanata to fight back.
00:40:38.720And we fought that battle with the help of Greenpeace Australia, who came to Saipan and fought with us.
00:40:46.620And just bringing the national attention to the problem and forcing the United States to listen to our government and to do something about cleaning up the PCD, which they attempted to do by, you know, removing a lot of sand and all that kind of stuff.
00:41:04.400But, you know, damage is done because we have a lot of cancer for such a small community, you know, and that's not the only thing.
00:41:12.740I mean, we're talking about toxicity that's created in the air and water.
00:41:18.180You know, you plant your fruits and vegetables and you eat them.
00:41:22.980And if that comes from contaminated soil, obviously that's going to end up in your system.
00:41:29.340Now they're talking about conducting these deadly sonar testings in our waters.
00:41:34.820You know, pollen is known for these beautiful dolphins that frolic in the Pagan Bays at 7.30 in the morning.
00:41:42.740So it really concerns me that we would not even get a chance to see them continue that
00:41:53.840because of the Sonar Testaments being planned, and there are also whales that migrate in our water.
00:41:59.920So when the military, the big, mighty U.S. military is up against you,
00:42:07.060So, you know, the only thing we can do is to educate, educate, sound the alarm, get people all over the world who can help us to stand beside us.
00:42:20.460And for our brothers and sisters in America, in the United States, you have the power that we don't.
00:42:28.300You have representatives in U.S. Congress.
00:42:31.720Please pick up the phone and call them.
00:42:36.560Let them know what's happening to us here, because I know that our lives matter.
00:42:43.520We deserve to live in good and clean environments, to raise our families.
00:42:50.500We're not asking for special treatment, anything more than what the families in the United States are entitled to.
00:42:59.560Even in our Constitution, it guarantees us a free and clear and healthy environment.
00:43:05.840I don't think that what the United States military is planning to do is, in keeping with our Constitution, it will be a blatant violation of our Constitution.
00:43:18.680So I also appeal to our local leaders to take a stand.
00:43:24.440And also some of them could be more aggressive or take a stronger stand in speaking out about this.
00:43:33.180But some of them are concerned about speaking up because they don't want to be perceived as being anti-military.
00:43:41.680But for God's sake, let's not be so concerned about people's perceptions and let's get down to reality.
00:43:49.640If we don't speak up and put a stop to this, then our air, our lands, our waters would all be polluted.
00:43:59.220and what kind of life would we all have
00:44:27.360And I believe that our ancestors left us with a heritage and legacy, and we are the people of the islands. We should be the navigators. We are ocean-fearing people.
00:46:13.660is down on me, it ain't too much to see, I need somebody up here in my door, straight ahead there's a long long road, a road that's nowhere.
00:46:43.660Oh, there's no way I can, oh, you're so long, so long, all the sweetest thing I ever, I ever saw.0.86
00:47:00.900One thing I want to talk about with the militarization of Pagan, and correct me if I'm
00:47:11.080wrong, but as I understand it, there's this battle that's been going on since the military's
00:47:16.700first proposals back in 2013, which prompted a federal lawsuit by the Tinian Women's Association,
00:47:23.120the Guardians of Ghani, Pagan Watch, and the Center for Biological Diversity, represented
00:47:28.100by earth justice and last year they lost their case in federal court and have now appealed to
00:47:34.020the ninth circuit so i'm wondering if you could share the current status of the lawsuit today as
00:47:39.000well as how our community can take action in resisting the militarization of pagan
00:47:43.660thank you for asking that question my organization pagan watch is one of the three
00:47:52.980local indigenous groups who are co-plaintiffs.
00:47:58.240Teen and Women's Association is one, Pagan Watch is one,
00:48:16.140The main thing about the lawsuit has to do with the United States
00:48:20.600no dairy compliance with NEPA requirements.
00:48:24.140And I had touched upon this earlier when I talked about the need for them to inform
00:48:31.740the community of what their plans are to enable the common period so that people would know
00:48:37.860as they read through the environmental impact statements what the actual impacts would be
00:48:42.960and for them to reveal the cumulative impact of the trainings and also to consider alternative
00:48:49.360training locations. And as I shared earlier, when the decision was made to relocate the
00:48:57.320Marines to Guam, the Navy had replied that they did not need any more training facilities
00:49:04.120outside of Guam. So we sued basically for segmenting the actual training because I talked
00:49:11.800about how they tried to be really slick about this and carved up the whole training proposal
00:49:19.260into five different pieces so that they would try to minimize, you know,
00:49:25.960the horrific project that they're planning for our region.
00:49:30.380And so, unfortunately, we lost our case in district court.
00:49:36.860The federal judge did not find that where she dismissed a couple of our causes of action.
00:49:45.480But basically, what it boiled down to is she did not believe that there was any NEPA violation at all, which we just can't fathom how she could come up with that decision.
00:49:56.460And so, yes, we did appeal the case. And so the Navy had asked for an extension on their time to apply to a brief.
00:50:08.680And so the circuit granted them their request for a second extension.
00:50:15.480So we're at that point now where we're waiting to find out what's really going to happen.
00:50:20.580Because what we envision happening is if they truly are complying with the requirements of NEPA,
00:50:30.940then they would find the violations are blatant.
00:50:35.520And so we hope that they would throw this out and have them start from scratch.
00:50:41.860You know, at the very least, you know, we're not kidding ourselves.
00:50:45.860You know, as much as we would love to say, hey, in an ideal world, we would just stop the military.
00:50:54.120We're not even thinking that we have the resources and the might to even stop them.
00:51:01.820They're cold, but maybe we can slow them down.
00:51:06.400That's part of the reason why we have our hopes on the lawsuit, but we can't pin all our hopes on the lawsuit.
00:51:13.500We need to continue to look for alternative ways that we can fight back, which has a lot to do with educating our local community, as well as the world.
00:51:26.620about what's happening, because I believe that the U.S. Congress has a lot, has a big role to play
00:51:32.360in influencing the military. So that's why we want the American public, the American community,
00:51:41.140the American people to hear our voices, to hear our applied, and to, my gosh, I invite them to
00:51:48.360come out and visit us and see for yourselves these blessed, beautiful islands, why we don't
00:51:55.660want them to be bombed to smithereens and turning to wastelands. In doing research for this
00:52:03.460interview, one of the most interesting realities I came across was the multitude of information
00:52:07.780on the United States and China's struggle over Pacific domination, specifically the string of
00:52:14.120islands across the Pacific Ocean that are a focal point for both Washington and Beijing.
00:52:20.000And I'm wondering if you could share more about how the Mariana Islands are understood as an area
00:52:24.720in which power and dominance have been set to brush against each other
00:52:28.480long before the rest of the world becomes privy
00:52:31.080to these developing conflicts and power struggles.
00:52:41.500And we'll continue to be trampled upon0.58
00:52:45.160as long as the superpowers decide that
00:52:49.220we are strategic locations in which they can battle over us.
00:52:54.480I mean, it's unfortunate. It's not like we can pick up and move our island somewhere else to save ourselves. One of my colleagues said, do you know of another planet we can move to?
00:53:08.180It's very distressing because I know that during the war of wars between Trump and Kim Jong-un, you know, there was the threats against Guam.
00:53:20.940Of course, we are just so close to Guam that we can't help but feel alarmed that if such threats were to take place, that obviously we would not be spared either.
00:53:33.900But then you talk about all these ramping up all these military facilities around us to a point where, like I said, we are ground zero. How is that a sure protection?
00:53:53.640It's also putting us at a grave danger also.
00:53:57.340Because when you talk about training exercises, you know, there's accidents that happen or unexploded ordnance that are left behind that could explode upon impact.0.93
00:54:10.280I know that we're bullied because they also bring up China.
00:54:13.400But I can't believe that the whole defense of the United States rests solely on our area.
00:54:25.300I just think that the United States has all these powerful allies in the region.
00:54:32.000And yes, Okinawa, Japan, wants to reduce the population.
00:54:35.900But I strongly believe that there are other places in the world that can really come to the defense and that we are certainly, that remains to be seen. I don't know what else to say about that.
00:54:50.220Well, in closing, Sinta, I so appreciate your bravery and your knowledge on these topics and for sharing it with us. It's an enormous undertaking and it's so important for us to hear what's happening for you and the people and the non-human kin that live with you in these islands.1.00
00:55:15.480And in this closing time we have together, is there anything that you wanted to mention1.00
00:55:20.760that you haven't been able to so far that you feel is really mandatory for us to be
00:55:47.420But I believe that we all deserve to live in this world, in a peaceful world.
00:55:55.400And so I'm just inviting, you know, your listeners, everyone to please help us, support us.
00:56:04.000If they could help us fund our fight and our lawsuit, they can contact me about how to do that.
00:56:13.800My email is cinta, C-I-N-T-A-M, like Mary, kipad, T-A-I-P, like Peter, A-T, like Tom, at gmail.com.
00:56:25.460They can contact me through my email if they wish to help us fight back by donating so we can continue with our lawsuit and take it as far as we can.
00:56:37.960And also, I just wanted to mention that what I even shared with you is just, you know, a small portion of, you know, the actual, there's so much information.
00:56:48.300And that's part of the problem is that they just want to just keep us bombarded with so much information.
00:56:55.260They don't even know what's coming or going.
00:56:57.900But I'm very fortunate that I do work alongside very smart and caring people that I would encourage you to invite onto your program because they will definitely enrich this discussion and enlighten the people more.