00:12:29.160It was GMO, totally illegal, wrote to the health ministry.
00:12:32.460It was banned from imports because it was illegal.
00:12:35.040And yet the narrative that's created by Monsanto and its lobbyists is I prevented people from eating.
00:12:40.680No, what we did was distribute rice, not just rice to eat, but seeds of salt tolerant rice, which we had conserved in our seed banks so that farmers could grow rice in spite of the salt.
00:12:53.080And then the farmers of Orissa gave that rice when the tsunami destroyed agriculture in Tamil Nadu, two truckloads of seed gifts.
00:13:06.400And we were asked by farmers of Nepal to send them seeds because 50% seed is destroyed.
00:13:12.300Monsanto, I'm sure their hand is in it, tried to pass rules to say only Monsanto and its subsidiary seeds can be distributed.
00:13:20.060It took us 10 days to work through this corruption to get open pollinated seeds to the farmers who had lost everything and needed to rebuild their lives.
00:13:32.640In terms of then trying to patent the very seeds that can allow people to rebuild and rejuvenate their lives after disasters, there are three myths being spread.
00:13:44.420First, that only genetic engineering can put salt tolerance and flood tolerance and drought tolerance genes.
00:17:12.100I say that because the farms of the Western Ghats
00:17:17.140because they had even more diversity sometimes than Ashola Forest next door.
00:17:24.880Because when people work with nature, they enhance habitats for nature.
00:17:32.260As I mentioned, our farm has six times more pollinators than the forest next door.
00:17:39.060That means we have created more habitat for wild species.
00:17:42.240It's an agriculture which is using lethal poisons, herbicides, pesticides that is destroying the habitat, not just on farmland, but in wilderness zones.
00:17:53.740After all, the nitrate runoff from nitrogen fertilizers is going into the oceans and killing dead zones.0.86
00:18:02.020Albert Howard was sent by the British to improve Indian agriculture
00:18:08.320which meant introduce what chemicals there were at that time
00:18:11.400not that many in 1905, not as many as after the war
00:18:15.180but to reshape agriculture in India like the agriculture of England
00:18:20.920and he arrived and found the soils were fertile
00:18:23.340insects were flourishing but there was no pest damage
00:18:28.100and as he writes in the book he wrote called The Agricultural Testament
00:18:32.000I decided to make the pest and the peasant my teacher.
00:18:35.960Now, this book has been called the testament for modern organic farming.
00:18:42.240There's a very strong paragraph in that book,
00:18:45.180and I would recommend everyone who has exaggerated the violence
00:18:49.120and damages of industrial agriculture,
00:18:51.360the violence and damages of factory farming to all of history and all cultures.
00:18:56.680Howard says, agriculture in the Orient, you know,
00:19:00.440So China, India were called the Orient in those colonial times and the West was the
00:19:21.060And that can only happen when you make your farm or your little pond with fish like an
00:19:29.720ocean or like a forest. So what are the tools for restoration that produce more food? First is you
00:19:37.340cannot destroy the relationship between animals and crops. That's another thing Howard observed,
00:19:44.120that any agriculture system that has to last and not destroy ecological processes must have
00:19:50.280perennials, which means it must be agroforestry based. And Indian agriculture was always very
00:19:55.920intensely forestry based. My own father was a forester and he used to tell me how there are
00:20:00.260more trees on the farms of India than in the reserved forests of India. Second, livestock and
00:20:07.580animals cannot be separate. It's when you separate crops and trees and livestock and put trees in a
00:20:14.860forest, livestock in factory farms, and the annual crops as a monoculture that the damages begin.
00:20:21.600After all, it is a visionary called Matsunobu Fukuoka, whose book, The One Straw Revolution, promoted natural farming.
00:20:30.380The word was natural farming everywhere.
00:20:32.760He worked with rice, but he made it as permanent as a forest.
00:20:37.540So I do feel people need to look much more closely at the diversity of systems.
00:20:41.700The fact that this diversity of systems has brought wilderness into agriculture, whether it is the wilderness of the soil with diverse organisms.
00:20:51.600or it is the wilderness of the pollinators
00:20:54.880or it is the wilderness of every seed.
00:21:21.600that is rewilding. Here in the western U.S., drought is on everyone's mind, especially as
00:21:29.420these catastrophic wildfires rage on. Where I live, the sky is dark with smoke. And so we think about
00:21:36.640chemical fertilizers and how they require huge amounts of water to dissolve and mobilize
00:21:42.400nutrients. And in the western U.S., over 90% of water is used by industrial agriculture.
00:21:50.720So can you talk about how drought and desertification are tied to industrial agriculture and how traditional farmers cope with water shortages?
00:22:05.940First of all, traditional farming actually creates water conservation.
00:22:11.020Our research shows that the more the organic content of the soil, which is the result of organic farming,
00:22:16.920Howard called it the law of return, I call it the law of return,
00:22:19.600returning to the earth what you receive.
00:22:21.300We actually increase the water-holding capacity of soil
00:22:38.560our organic farmers haven't had a crop failure.
00:22:41.440The chemical farmers have had a total wipeout of their crop.0.97
00:22:44.200So not only does industrial agriculture use more water, and my analysis in my book called The Violence of the Green Revolution worked out from government figures that it's 10 times more water to produce the same amount of food.
00:27:17.960the biggest waste of it is in industrial agriculture.
00:27:22.320And water has to get enslaved when it has to be bought and sold.
00:27:27.660You can't sell a free-flowing river, but you can pipe that river, channelize that river, dam that river, and then you can pretend that that water is your property.
00:27:40.640The good thing is, just as in the case of seed, we've managed in 90 percent countries to roll back laws that would make seed saving illegal.
00:27:48.940And I do want to mention, in the U.S., in every state, on the basis of a 2004 federal law, state after state is trying to make local seed saving illegal through seed libraries.
00:28:01.560There is also a California law which says corporations are persons, only corporate financing can breed good seed.
00:28:10.780No level below the state, which means no county can make any law related to seed, including GMOs.
00:30:38.240Because it is the so-called scientific revolution and so-called rise of an economic paradigm centered on capital that declared nature as dead and inactive and valueless, declared women as passive, as unproductive, non-creative, empty heads.0.62
00:30:57.040That death of nature and the exclusion of women from the recognition of their creativity and productivity is at the root of the violence.
00:31:06.200it's also at the root of the violence because by refusing to look at the creativity of nature0.65
00:31:12.020by refusing to look at the intelligence of women violent systems were made to look like absolute0.89
00:31:17.720creators creators of food while you blast the planet up 75 of the destruction of the planet1.00
00:31:24.900has come from industrial agriculture which is only giving 30 of the food and the gmos are only0.99
00:31:30.020providing 10 to unwilling consumers because if there was labeling no one would be eating it0.78
00:31:35.060Most of it goes for biofuel and animal feed. That violence has aggravated in India. Just in the last 20, 30 years, more than 30 million girls haven't been allowed to be born. The brutal violence against women has increased. And my reading of this is that when more and more violence enters the economic paradigm, when it enters your everyday thinking, then violence becomes the basis of your relationship.
00:32:00.720objectification becomes the basis of your relationship. You have no source for reverence
00:32:06.760for nature, for respect for women. And the way ecology and feminism coming together1.00
00:32:13.540can stop this violence is by recognizing that the highest creativity lies in nature. The highest0.54
00:32:21.400creativity is in women. I have done campaigns on the silly golden rice, which will be hundreds of1.00
00:32:27.180percent less efficient if it was to come to be and in any case it has now been proven the papers
00:32:32.300published to justify it were totally manufactured and the paper had to be retracted a so-called1.00
00:32:38.900science that has to be based on manipulation really has no place leave it to women's creativity1.00
00:32:44.060we can solve every malnutrition problem on this planet because women have always worked with1.00
00:32:48.600biodiversity and it's the marginalization of that knowledge of biodiversity that is at the root of1.00
00:32:53.960malnutrition that is at the root of hunger. More importantly, the ability to be compassionate,
00:33:01.920the ability to be loving, which survived in women. I'm not saying it is built into the genes of0.97
00:33:07.360women, but it survived in women because women were left to look after the economy, which was1.00
00:33:12.560not considered important. It was not the economy of war. It was not the economy of profits and the1.00
00:33:17.540market. It was the economy of care. That economy of care needs to be everyone's economy.
00:33:23.960And I see rewilding and creating economies of care as one process at its roots.
00:33:34.540So I read that you and a band of other women acted to defend the forest in northern India
00:33:39.680by literally surrounding the trees, holding hands.
00:33:43.780So were there any historical precedents that inspired that action?
00:33:47.300Or how did that come about? And was it successful?
00:33:51.160The movement called CHIPCO, which means to hug, which was my inspiration.
00:33:56.140I call it my university of ecological knowledge and ecological activism because my PhD otherwise is in the foundations of quantum theory, in non-locality in quantum theory, very far away.
00:34:07.500I really learned so much from the women defending the forests through this act of deep love, of embrace.
00:34:13.900The women who took this initial action spontaneously didn't really know that there had been a precedent.
00:34:20.160those of us who then started to do more research found out two things.
00:34:26.460First, that at the time when Gandhi led the salt march,
00:34:31.240you might remember the colonizers wanted to monopolize salt for profits,0.65
00:34:36.260to buy more ganas, to shoot more Indians.
00:34:38.480And Gandhi walked to the beach, picked up the salt from the sea,0.99
00:34:47.420And that was a very famous Satyagraha, the power of civil disobedience, to obey higher law and disobey brute law.
00:34:55.980Exactly at that time, in the forests of India, in every part of India, and I've written about this in my book, Ecology and the Politics of Survival, in the chapter on forests, in the western Ghats, in the forests of central India, and in my region up in the Himalaya, people were turning to the forest and telling the British, leave, these forests are our mothers.
00:35:16.640You cannot own them as your property. But even more historical than that is a movement led by a woman called Amrita Devi, who was defending a sacred tree in the desert of Rajasthan called the Kejri.
00:35:34.860Now, Rajasthan is a desert, but it's the most populated desert because centuries ago, they realized what is the actions we need to take to reverse desertification.
00:35:46.160Part of it was building amazing tanks and the culture of tanks in Rajasthan is so rich, planting these very, very drought tolerant trees like Kajri, declaring every animal as sacred.
00:35:57.280So you're not allowed to kill animals, not the blackback, not the peacock.
00:36:00.820And Amrita Devi was following this religion, which is called Bishnoi, which means 29 rules.
00:36:06.560And all 29 rules are of nature conservation, protection of species.
00:36:10.800I think it's the only religion in the world dedicated entirely to protection of nature.
00:36:16.480And when the king's men came to cut the tree, to burn, to paint the palace walls with land,
00:36:24.460she hugged the tree and said, you can't cut it, you'll have to take my head.
00:36:29.080Then her two daughters came. They chopped their heads up. 270 or more villagers sacrificed their lives. When the news reached the king, he was, of course, outraged and totally banned the cutting of the sacred tree. So there is precedence. And I'm sure in periods of history, even earlier, where we have no record, people have sacrificed their lives for the protection of the earth and her diverse species.1.00
00:36:53.640wow i have chills thank you for sharing that story yeah i feel people in the u.s and many
00:37:03.320other places are so severed from their ancestral traditions that they hunger for any and every
00:37:11.120glimpse into those rare places around the world that have not been bled out by globalization
00:37:16.000civilization where people hold dearly to traditional values and knowledge and and I know
00:37:23.080you were born in the foothills of the Himalayas and your town Daradoon has probably changed quite
00:37:28.800a bit since your childhood but I'd like to ask if you would share some of your memories or even the
00:37:35.700memories passed on to you by your parents or grandparents about that reality that village
00:37:40.460life. What have you taken away from that upbringing that can help guide social experiments
00:37:47.840going on today from ecovillages to collectives to transition towns and beyond? Well, interestingly,
00:37:55.280you know, my other book on ecofeminism, I co-authored with my dear friend Maria Mies
00:38:00.460in Germany. It's just called ecofeminism. And we have a chapter in there. Maria wrote the chapter.
00:38:06.400it's called they long for what they have destroyed the point you made about trying to look for places
00:38:12.760where the destruction hasn't happened so I was very privileged you know to be born in the Himalaya
00:38:17.460my mother was displaced in the partition chose to become a farmer even though she was very highly
00:38:22.400educated and had a government job and she said I've broken all glass ceilings for women and now
00:38:27.820I'm going to go back to the earth this is what I'll do so I grew up on a farm I grew up traveling
00:38:31.980with my dad in the forest. And at that time, you know, we'd step out of the town and we'd see
00:38:37.620tigers, we'd see elephants. Wildlife was right there. The town itself was small because the
00:38:46.320destructiveness of industrial agriculture, which is called the Green Revolution in the Third World
00:38:52.060when it's introduced to our parts of the world, and it's not green and it's not revolutionary,
00:38:55.840it's just an extension of the war that should have ended in 1945. That has led to a lot of
00:39:01.300displacement of farmers and the rush to cities. Most of the city growth is through slums where0.98
00:39:06.260people don't find a place, a dignified, meaningful place. Our town was so beautiful that the British
00:39:14.100used to write about how beautiful this valley is, how beautiful the town is. This rush to
00:39:20.820build bigger and bigger cities is contaminating every town where there are benefits, where there
00:39:26.180our facilities. I'm very fortunate that I managed to return to my valley when I was asked by the
00:39:32.540Ministry of Environment to look at mining, which was destroying the valley. And I came and did the
00:39:37.260study for the ministry. And the study went all the way to the Supreme Court as a basis of a case.
00:39:42.760And it was the first ever environmental decision in India, 1983, where the Supreme Court ruled
00:39:50.220and said when commerce destroys life commerce has to stop because life has to carry on
00:39:57.180and the mining was stopped and the polluting industry around that mining was stopped
00:40:01.180so we got rid of pollution and managed to declare our valley a green valley and then of course i
00:40:05.980built the navdanya farm and the seed bank and the teaching center the earth university
00:40:11.140and like i was saying you know it is as wild a place as you can have but it also gives you food
00:41:11.840They're just drowning in denial and profits.
00:41:15.220but more and more people are recognizing that the economy must contract industry must size down
00:41:24.160and you know population must contract and our living arrangements must reflect the dire needs
00:41:32.340of the planet so those who see it coming or recognize it's here and happening faster than
00:41:39.440we or other species can adapt are calling this a collapse others call it a transition
00:41:46.760so if you were to lay out a roadmap for navigating this era of change what can we do
00:41:55.060what are the real world tangible steps the global community must take and is capable of taking for
00:42:03.220a graceful return to a mosaic of regional earth-minded societies?
00:42:10.260First issue in the transition is to know that ecosystems are collapsing, species have been0.97
00:42:16.660driven to extinction, economies are collapsing everywhere, entire societies, like in Syria,1.00
00:42:21.320people are living in refugee camps somewhere else. You know, that's a collapse. It's a social1.00
00:42:25.980collapse. I think in the towns of Baltimore and in the towns of Missouri, we see a social collapse.
00:42:32.380But the key is not to respond to either fear or panic or hate, because that is what is triggered for those who would like to maintain power in this period.
00:42:48.040When I hear the speeches of your presidential candidates, you know, based on fear and hate, they are actually making sure there can't be a transition.
00:42:58.240So the transition needs, instead of fear, it needs hope.
00:43:13.620Either I can start a garden or I can be a good teacher or I can be a wilderness protector.
00:43:20.120But even while we play our little role in our care for the earth, we have to be deeply aware of the web of life.
00:43:28.240And it's only when we see those interconnections at every step, we will stop doing what society has done for too long, competing with each other. Climate movement competing with the agricultural regeneration movement, the labor movement having to compete with the environmental movement. Too long have we been pitted against each other by those who thrive on divide and rule.
00:43:49.420The third very, very important aspect of the transition is, you know, 250 years of paradigms in economy and science and technology have literally groomed generations to think that, oh, my God, what's going to happen if I don't have a job?
00:44:05.460Oh, my God, what's going to happen when we run out of oil? Oh, my God, what's going to happen if I've got to return to the village?
00:44:11.240What's going to happen when there's no electricity?
00:44:12.740The only way we make this transition is by looking at small farmers and their societies, looking at indigenous people and their societies, first developing respect for them, not looking down on them as primitive, but realizing that they created a very, very large footprint with a very high culture.
00:44:33.820we can only make this transition as an earth family we can only make this transition through
00:44:40.000the joy of living not being married to the junk that industrial society has created you know when
00:44:48.820i got into a flight after my phd immediately i defended my thesis in the morning and i was on
00:44:54.040a flight back home and everyone would say but you know why did you come back you could have been a
00:44:58.240tenure track put professor i said i know i could have done all that but i know by the end of 10
00:45:03.540years, I'd have become so attached to the vacuum cleaner and a car and a big mansion that I'd have
00:45:09.080been dysfunctional to do the real work in life. And I don't want to become dysfunctional. So I'm
00:45:14.400so glad I threw myself into what others would think of as deprivation, but I saw as liberation.
00:45:21.900Every time we can get rid of some of that industrial infrastructure junk, whether it's in
00:45:27.460consumption or it's in terms of dependence every time we can through solidarity whether it is in
00:45:34.460agriculture where through solidarity with biodiversity we produce our food and say oh
00:45:38.840we can produce better food without chemicals so bye bye monsanto bye bye gmos bye bye pesticides
00:45:44.900and we can do that in every sector so if we were able to come together as activists
00:45:50.820How can we keep fighting for a diversity of issues, but as a united movement that can stand strong in the face of extraordinary odds?
00:46:01.640What can our unifying cause be, and how can that be agreed upon?
00:46:06.840So you might remember, or you might not remember, you're so young, that WTO was stopped in Seattle.
00:46:15.000And of course, the media started to say, oh, these anti-globalizers know what they are against, they don't know what they're for.
00:46:20.820And we said, no, no, no, we know we are against patenting of life because we love life and we respect the integrity and self-organization of life.
00:46:29.420We're against free trade and agriculture because we love our farmers, our soil, our food and our health.
00:46:35.840And we know globalization of agriculture will destroy all of that.
00:46:40.560That's why I wrote The Earth's Democracy.
00:46:42.800So, of course, we have to first know what we are for.
00:46:45.460And we have to be for life in all its diversity.
00:46:48.800Not just human life, but all life on earth.
00:46:52.240The second part of it is to widen our understanding of freedom and democracy.
00:46:56.900We've too long been made to believe that democracy is going once in four years or five years
00:47:02.680and putting a ballot and getting someone into power who then is controlled by the corporations
00:47:06.960and has no relationship with the citizens and will impose GMOs, even when people don't want it.
00:47:12.420Will impose laws that say you can't have labeling, even though people want labeling, which is the dark act.
00:47:17.880which imposes monopolies on seed even though farmers everywhere struggle
00:47:22.520to defend their right to save seeds and their duty to save seeds.
00:47:26.220What we're really against is a continuity of what was started
00:47:30.480in terms of the knowledge paradigm with Newton and Descartes and Bacon,
00:47:35.700the declaration of the earth as dead and merely material for exploitation.
00:47:40.200The earth is alive and that sets everything else for us.
00:47:43.980because the earth is alive we must do agriculture in a way that the life of the earth flourishes
00:47:49.640rather than diminishes because we are part of the earth we have to live in ways that our health
00:47:56.800and our communities and our societies flourish rather than become diseased become violent
00:48:05.160lose hope. In terms of agriculture, the challenge is first we have to save every seed we possibly
00:48:13.900can, just as we save children, just as we save anything else we love. Because everything in
00:48:20.180agriculture and in society is now hanging on the seed. Industry wants to genetically modify it,
00:48:26.140own it, patent it, ban its free use. We have to defend the freedom of the seed, the freedom of
00:48:31.060the farmers, the freedom of those who can eat food from good seed. So seed freedom and food
00:48:35.800freedom is one. Just like an apartheid was created between humans and nature, and therefore between
00:48:42.520areas where humans live, which were giant cities and a shrinking wilderness, an apartheid was also
00:48:50.380created in terms of the idea of agriculture itself. And agriculture, as I mentioned earlier,
00:49:01.400has become so destructive. We don't need to have a separation of the countryside and the city
00:49:08.500because the city gets its food from the countryside. I've just launched a big movement in India
00:49:14.440called Food Smart City, partly because everyone wants to build smart cities.
00:49:18.220and we said no you've got to be food smart and then you don't destroy the villages you protect
00:49:23.000the villages you don't destroy your small farmers you create relationships of mutuality with them
00:49:28.540so cities surrounded by food sheds which are watersheds which are wilderness sheds becomes
00:49:34.800the basis of local food economies and the city itself becomes a food economy with food in every
00:49:41.420balcony every terrace every little garden and that's why i spread gardens of hope everywhere
00:49:46.620I call them Gardens of Hope because we started it with widows of farmers who had committed suicide.
00:49:52.720In fact, yesterday I was with widows in Punjab.
00:49:55.480And initially they said, but we don't even know how to grow vegetables.
00:50:36.160And through the garden, we come back to the earth as a foundational reality.
00:50:41.640And from there, a whole new paradigm starts to grow.
00:50:44.740Going back to this capital power struggle, we speak about freedom of seed, you know, freedom of life.
00:50:50.980And I'm wondering if you can break down the doublespeak of free trade and give us your analysis of how the Trans-Pacific Partnership would affect India.
00:51:02.220And what would your strategy against it be, if you're open to divulging as much?
00:51:08.600We could recognize so-called free trade to be the unfree trade
00:51:12.360because the first free trade treaty was actually written by the first corporation
00:51:16.300with a collapsing Mughal empire in India, 1711, I think it was.
00:51:21.500It was called the Free Trade Agreement between the right-olerable East India Company
00:51:37.620today. So colonization began as free trade. The new return of colonization through GATT and the
00:51:47.160WTO was the new free trade of our times. Because industry had planned to control all our food,
00:51:55.920all our agriculture, all our seeds, but we built movements. You know, I started to build a movement
00:52:00.040for seed saving in 87 because I got a hang of where they were wanting to go. And it's only
00:52:06.800eight years later that WTO treaties were imposed. So we had an eight-year lead time to build
00:52:12.940alternatives and to stop their agenda and to build alternatives on the true freedom of nature
00:52:18.480and the earth and people, living communities, against the fictitious freedom of giant
00:52:24.740corporations seeking profits at any cost. It's because they could not get all the control they
00:52:31.300sought. They're now coming up with TPP and TTIP. And at the heart of these agreements are three
00:52:37.960elements. The first is more push for GMOs because they failed, as I said, in most countries. A bigger
00:52:44.560push for intellectual property rights defined in ways that there would be no knowledge that would
00:52:49.500be in the public domain. And the third is corporations have anyway been functioning as
00:52:55.560if they were people with rights that belong to people. The Citizen United decision is an example.
00:53:02.540The challenge to Vermont's labeling law by corporations saying our freedom of speech is
00:53:07.040taken away if we are forced to label. They want to now bring it into formal international rights
00:53:13.200through what are called investor state dispute settlements. If a government,
00:53:18.280through democratic responsibility, does what its people want it to do, the corporations can sue
00:53:23.540and take the government to these tribunals because there's no court that would work for this.
00:53:29.580And that's what they would like, a corporate rule where they are the judges, they are the courts,
00:53:35.160they write the constitution, they pretend to be people and they rob real people of their humanity
00:53:41.240and their freedom and they rob nature of its freedom also. So I would say TPP and TTIP were
00:53:48.720to come into force. India, even though it's not a direct member of either of these treaties,
00:53:53.000would be hugely affected because we'd be a little island pushed through the globalized economy
00:53:59.600into this direction of corporate rule. Corporate rule, in my view, is the death of democracy,
00:54:06.700a further collapse of our ecosystems, and definitely the robbing of, I would say,
00:54:12.940about 98% of humanity of its right to life. 1% of the rich now own 99% of the wealth of this planet.
00:54:19.640And I pay tribute to the Occupy movement, which got this figure through intuition, which has been verified since then by economist after economist.
00:54:29.020Now, an economy in which wealth is so concentrated, an economy is so divided, that the only workers there are are slaves.
00:54:38.540I mean, if you read the literature today, whether it's the farms of Europe or the United States, or it's the big fishing vessels, they are working on the basis of slavery.
00:54:48.900So slavery is no more a metaphor. Slavery is the economic base of the way the economy is running when so much wealth is being extracted. And that's why in Terra Viva, I've talked about the linear extractive economy that's concentrating everything in the hands of 1% versus a circular economy where we reclaim our capacity to live as one with the earth.
00:55:13.060And that can only happen through local economies and decentralization. And this contest between paradigms, this contest between different ways of thinking will grow more intense in the next few years. And what we have on our side is our alliance with the earth and our solidarity with each other.
00:55:29.760Thank you, Dr. Vandana Shiva. Thank you so much for joining us and for your great work in India and everywhere. The organic movement is a peace movement in the most radical sense.
00:55:43.800Please let us know how we can help organize here in the U.S.
00:55:48.820Well, I'll give you one last little thing where you can join. I'll be coming to the Eluma Expo and we are launching the Seed Satyagraph for the U.S.
00:55:59.760As you know, I mentioned the salt Satyagraha, where Gandhi told the British, you can't monopolize the salt, we'll make our own salt.
00:56:06.780We say the same to the Monsentos of the world.
00:56:09.760It's our duty to protect biodiversity, and you cannot come in the way of this higher duty we have to the earth.