For The Wild - IN THE COMPANY OF HUMPBACKS S1：E2

00:00:00.000 hey friends ayana here it is a crisp new season and we are so excited to bring you

00:00:22.000 a brand new series in the company of humpbacks over three episodes we'll wander the waters

00:00:27.940 off Alaska, exploring the lives, the thrums, and the migrations of humpback whales, with stories

00:00:34.860 and insight from Fred Sharp, Rachel Mead, and Joe Olson. This series is full of sonic exploration,

00:00:42.200 migration stories, and research discoveries. But it's also about something deeper, curiosity,

00:00:49.440 wonder, and the relationships we build with the more-than-human world. Along the way, we move

00:00:55.280 between science and story, the technical and the magical, between whale thrums and the questions

00:01:01.720 we carry. This journey came to life thanks to the generosity and care of the Five Fingers

00:01:06.960 Lighthouse. You can learn more about their work at ForTheWild.World. TheWild.World.

00:01:17.800 Episode two is A Walk with Fred Shark. In this conversation, I bring some of my own vulnerability,

00:01:23.760 my mistrust of science

00:01:25.840 the fear that humans don't always know

00:01:28.340 how to be in right relationship with the more than human world

00:01:30.820 and the lingering concern about extractive research

00:01:34.460 Fred meets these questions with grace

00:01:37.340 humor and deep insight

00:01:39.060 together we explore the love of the wild

00:01:41.820 the drive that compels people to observe

00:01:44.620 study and protect

00:01:46.460 and the challenge of staying present in these complicated waters

00:01:50.180 this episode is intimate

00:01:52.320 reflective and at times a little uncomfortable but it's also full of warmth and relational care

00:01:59.520 and curiosity the qualities that make meaningful conservation work possible

00:02:04.620 what we have found in great abundance is evidence of absence

00:02:22.180 We know where we looked. We know what frequencies we've checked.

00:02:25.540 And so far, it's just us.

00:02:28.360 And it makes you really appreciate the animals that you do have on this earth.

00:02:32.900 Signals get missed. And so keep looking. Don't lose heart.

00:02:36.040 yeah this is great you know this island is really cool because it's um

00:02:55.160 well ships kept running into it when there was the klondike gold rush that um that's up in your

00:03:00.900 area isn't it it's like uh you Klondikeans and uh so it was big people found some precious metals

00:03:07.080 in the ground human nature being what it is everybody wanted in the action so ships started

00:03:11.600 sailing up here and they'd come around Cape Fanshawe and this was a very problematic five

00:03:18.520 fingers and so the it was realized that there needs to be a lighthouse on the southernmost

00:03:24.280 of the Islets for the Gold Seekers.

00:03:27.580 And here we are.

00:03:29.560 A century later, here we sit on the thigh wing.

00:03:35.620 Well, I feel my heart breaking

00:03:38.480 in the most overwhelming and pleasurable

00:03:43.320 and soulful way.

00:03:45.700 Standing here, the tidal colors

00:03:50.620 and the sherbet colors of the sunset

00:03:53.540 and the blues and the purples and the oranges,

00:03:56.980 and it's so...

00:04:00.980 I feel the tears in my eyes,

00:04:04.780 and I'm so grateful to feel that.

00:04:14.300 So take me back to the start.

00:04:19.100 It starts with my parents who were...

00:04:21.580 They were park rangers.

00:04:23.540 you know naturalist uh naturalist uh forestry people outdoor education just growing up in the

00:04:29.320 national parks as a kid right and just having this like unabiding desire to be out in wilderness

00:04:34.900 and find fun stuff to do and um getting into um botanical sciences that's my main area training

00:04:45.320 was birds and botanical sciences right but then coming up here and seeing the whales it was like

00:04:50.300 holy cow this is crazy this place is beautiful and um back then there was so little i mean back

00:04:58.360 then they were still considered critically endangered and um there was very not much

00:05:03.900 research done on them so it just worked out to like um this is cool i'm not doing anything for

00:05:08.740 the rest of my life it's people it's that's what i love still staying in the um education aspects

00:05:14.220 of it because that really feeds you right yeah just sharing with people and lecturing and writing

00:05:19.300 and um it's i mean you can see people who have seen a bubble net for the first time right you've

00:05:24.820 got you know and it's just like it's life-changing right and i just love to change my life and it's

00:05:30.600 like um people just don't always have the option of like leave all things and follow me type stuff

00:05:34.920 right me as in megapatera the uh the genus of the whale yeah i'm not familiar explain that

00:05:44.760 break that down for me yeah i love that in terms of like um didn't jesus say that leave all things

00:05:49.880 and follow me oh okay biblical it's been a while since i opened a bible yeah and i think actually

00:05:58.240 it started um when i was living in michigan my first six years were in the university at my

00:06:04.060 parents were at the university there and we would go to a field camp in the upper peninsula every

00:06:10.880 summer and crossing the mackinac bridge and seeing the um those blue horizons you know it was fresh

00:06:17.440 water and uh last time i checked there wasn't cetaceans in the great lakes but just having

00:06:24.500 that blue marble kind of feel kind of watery world type uh sweet gaia just like i think i

00:06:31.280 got hooked back then to like marine stuff okay so i'm seeing a bit of the shape of your childhood

00:06:38.700 and the inspiration and then where do whales come in i think it's more just like um rather than it

00:06:47.960 being any type of like um career choice or just getting up here and experience them right and

00:06:53.580 smell their breath and hear all their crazy sounds and um the uh dynamic social structure

00:07:01.720 and their tool using behaviors and their division of labor and past specialization

00:07:08.460 And it's like, it's like, um, there's just so much going on, right?

00:07:13.860 And there's so much of it is like, um, so much is kind of eerily people-like in that

00:07:20.100 they have these food co-ops and these bubble net teams, right?

00:07:22.940 And the way they interact with each other and move around, it's like they have the incident

00:07:25.840 command system.

00:07:27.700 And are we hearing the realm or what?

00:07:30.540 We're right now.

00:07:31.540 We're hearing, um, distant breathing.

00:07:33.500 So, um, it, um, oh, that's gorgeous.

00:07:38.460 yeah they um this is typically the thrumming hour right now where feels like the feeding has been

00:07:47.480 pretty good to the south so we've had a lot of animals drift down joe said when we came in they

00:07:52.680 were sort of hanging out at uh like they were crossing over to big creek um but there's enough

00:07:58.540 animals and as the wind dies we should start to hear some thrums rolling in from the due west

00:08:03.320 over by Brothers Island,

00:08:04.920 that aggregation that we saw out there.

00:08:08.220 But yeah, it's cool.

00:08:08.980 The thrums are like,

00:08:11.500 they're one of those strange signals

00:08:12.740 that the further the whale gets away,

00:08:15.920 it's almost easier to detect it

00:08:17.500 because when you,

00:08:19.620 it's delivered by a close range.

00:08:21.420 It's a raspberry, the whale,

00:08:22.400 the whale's kind of,

00:08:23.120 it's like a puckering of the bull hole,

00:08:24.460 like a Bronx cheer.

00:08:26.860 And so the low frequency component

00:08:29.760 is purely, is really saturated.

00:08:31.320 It's really masked by that.

00:08:32.380 And then when they get further away, that dies out and just this really low, whatever, there's some sort of resonation chamber within the animal that is carrying those tones right down to the, just to the, almost to the limit of human hearing.

00:08:49.760 And what is your specific fascination with the thrum?

00:08:55.580 well part of it i think you know the real story here is uh why these low frequency signals are

00:09:05.540 being produced by an animal that can be picked up at some of them we're estimating now peak this up

00:09:11.820 to 15 kilometers away it's like but the real story is the fact that as far as we can tell um this has

00:09:17.740 gone undescribed in terms of the scientific literature or even the popular literature it's

00:09:21.760 like and these are the signals that um it's not like this is the blue whale and they're transmitting

00:09:26.900 in the below human hearing and you have to upscale it this is within within all within the human

00:09:32.460 hearing as far as we can tell and it and it's great i love it because it um people who come

00:09:40.560 and have lost their uh much of their hearing they can still detect these they can almost feel them

00:09:46.160 you know because usually it's like in humans we lose our up our high free higher frequency stuff

00:09:50.700 right it's almost like this is the last sounds that people as we leave this mortal coil of nature

00:09:56.280 that we'll still be able to hear with the unaided ear and i guess yeah the fascination lies in like

00:10:02.280 how do signals get missed and being a part of the SETI program of course it's been 60 years of

00:10:09.540 extremely dedicated searching for signals or for any signs of life outside of sweet Gaia planet

00:10:17.080 earth and we know there's abundant water and prebiotic chemicals and lots of energy sources

00:10:23.860 and a gazillion exoplanets like almost 6 000 and counting and many of those you know a number have

00:10:30.700 been found in the habitable zone and very potentially could create an environment where

00:10:35.540 life has evolved and but yet we're not it's just like we're just flatline we have a great

00:10:42.280 abundance what we have found in great abundance is evidence of absence we know where we looked

00:10:47.980 we know what frequencies we've checked um and so far it's just us and it makes you really appreciate

00:10:56.300 the animals that you do have on this earth signals get missed and so keep looking don't lose heart

00:11:02.020 and i guess the story is it's like what is it about what is it about how we've missed these

00:11:09.080 thrums in these whales that we can apply to the search for life in the universe you know what

00:11:15.780 perceptual filters or is it a technological one is it not having the right tools is it um so i

00:11:22.860 think there's lessons to be learned from these um from these thrums and they're they're cool to

00:11:28.120 listen to i mean they um when they're close at range it's almost like they can knock you off

00:11:33.620 your your stool right they're so powerful so say we have missed these signals but then we find a way

00:11:42.560 to find the signals or we are aware of the signals then then what um hopefully it makes us better

00:11:54.020 stewards of the ocean better ocean users um because we could figure out what the signals

00:12:00.840 mean well we could we can you know there's always the basic biology and just being fascinated by it

00:12:05.440 and the more we learn um the more um aware we are and it's like that's cool and uh but there's also

00:12:12.300 i think lots of um i think conservation applications um in terms of like being able for

00:12:18.940 remote sensing um you typically we listened for whales by putting hydrophones underwater

00:12:24.520 and listening to their chatter and their calling

00:12:28.880 and their powerful voices, the songs of the humpbacks

00:12:31.800 and the blue whales and all the species.

00:12:36.140 But here's a chance to do that through the air,

00:12:38.900 which is much more cost-effective using microphones.

00:12:43.420 I mean, I can set the microphone up

00:12:45.380 and just point it out in my bedroom window here at the lighthouse, right?

00:12:48.160 And so much easier, much cheaper.

00:12:51.780 And we want to know how many whales are out there

00:12:53.720 because they want to, first of all, manage our ocean resources

00:12:59.700 so there's enough for all.

00:13:02.240 And we want to know how to set our restoration targets.

00:13:06.680 And we certainly want to avoid them,

00:13:10.760 knowing that if there's local densities of them for,

00:13:13.900 there's a lot of cruise ships in the sector coming through.

00:13:16.460 And being able to advise shippers is like,

00:13:18.720 hey, we're picking up a higher density of these animals,

00:13:21.140 maybe set up an alert program.

00:13:22.460 There's very elaborate alert programs that go on for the North Atlantic right whale,

00:13:26.920 which is down to about 300 individuals.

00:13:28.820 And so there's lots of efforts going into real-time detection of their spatial presence

00:13:33.540 to advise ocean users and shippers and industry and commercial whale watchers

00:13:41.040 of where the animals are and to give them some space.

00:13:45.460 So being able to count them with the thrums, just being able to monitor them.

00:13:49.940 And as a disentangler, as a NOAA volunteer as part of the disentanglement network, we get called out to approach animals that are in distress and we'll come up and do an initial examination of the animal to see if it's life-threatening.

00:14:07.960 And if it is, then we'll summon more resources and do a full attempt to remove the gear off the animal.

00:14:15.360 And the one thing we don't want is any more casualties.

00:14:19.440 We've already got one.

00:14:20.860 And so being able to approach safely, develop better bedside manners.

00:14:25.400 And the breadth of the animal is the one thing that they do give us.

00:14:28.220 You know, whales aren't like, you know, like your dog or your calf that has a tail to wag.

00:14:32.740 And, you know, it behaves very differently in terms of the tails for propulsion.

00:14:38.440 They are encased in this envelope of blubber.

00:14:40.720 They become very streamlined evolutionarily.

00:14:42.820 So they don't necessarily have all those facial expressions that you would expect.

00:14:46.980 and they've lost their external ears to perk up and so they're really in some ways they're a lot

00:14:52.760 harder they they have a ton going on inside but they're a little harder to read than your typical

00:14:59.300 mammals and so being able to use the breath and there's certain breath sounds that we've targeted

00:15:04.020 we realize are associated with an animal that is it may seem very calm but when you hear these

00:15:10.160 certain characteristics one of them we call the the pant hoot the animal is in a condition where

00:15:16.440 might react adversely to an approach.

00:15:22.580 And so we just learn to step back and find other ways to

00:15:25.180 maybe approach the animal, assess, and being able to interact

00:15:30.280 with the animal a little bit more, and not so much

00:15:34.100 doing a disentanglement on, but a disentanglement with the animal

00:15:38.080 so we can work a little bit more where their head's at.

00:15:40.080 i want to pause for a second and share a little behind the scenes story so fred and i have known

00:15:50.060 each other for years now and we always run into each other on chichikov island in southeast

00:15:55.000 alaska where his field office is and every time i see him he brings the biggest smile to my face

00:16:01.900 and I usually a little giggle because of this very Dr. Seuss-like spirit. Same place, different

00:16:10.040 year and the conversations just keep getting longer which I'm so appreciative of. Now this

00:16:16.580 summer we ran into each other again picking blueberries on this little boardwalk trail

00:16:20.620 and we just stayed there for hours talking about whales and politics, AI, the oceans,

00:16:28.600 uh alaska life and everything kind of tangled together it felt really easy like oh yeah we are

00:16:38.000 kin and a few months later i'm at my neighbor's house picking cherries totally in it hands full

00:16:44.520 not stopping and fred calls he's got joe on speaker and they're like you have to come to

00:16:51.160 Five Fingers Lighthouse. And I'm thinking, okay, that sounds amazing. And also kind of insane.

00:16:58.660 Like, tiny island, very, very remote, cliffs, storms, my toddler in tow, boats, tides, timing,

00:17:08.120 no helicopter, just so many logistics. And still, I said yes. Because this is honestly

00:17:17.580 why i do this work i love saying yes to wild invitations to people who are deeply in relationship

00:17:24.940 with place to stories that come from the land and water and the more than human world

00:17:30.720 and i guess that's what i want to name here for the wild is shifting we're becoming a studio now

00:17:38.200 partnering with people and groups who want help telling their stories if you're holding a place

00:17:44.100 or a project or a campaign

00:17:46.040 and you're feeling like

00:17:47.760 this needs to be told

00:17:49.540 well, that's something we do

00:17:51.940 we only take a few projects each year

00:17:54.320 but if you feel called to reach out

00:17:56.320 to invite us in

00:17:57.620 we'd love to hear from you

00:17:59.360 email us at connect

00:18:03.260 at for the wild dot world

00:18:04.940 okay, back to the conversation

00:18:12.500 I

00:18:14.100 can be really resistant to the idea of learning about the earth for

00:18:22.320 categorization or the need to quote understand

00:18:29.680 this thing this other being there the it's i feel like it can be extractive and consumptive

00:18:40.160 and actually disconnecting and so i usually come to think about these things kind of with a bit of

00:18:47.660 resistance already and kind of almost like it's not that i'm annoyed with you but i this is just

00:18:53.240 the way i i kind of i kind of feel like prickly about it like well why are people doing this like

00:18:58.160 why do they want yes why do they want to know something so they can categorize something so

00:19:02.540 they can explain something to themselves basically yes and it's helping me talk to you

00:19:08.680 because what I'm feeling into is that it's really about relating.

00:19:18.080 And if we can learn to relate in a way that helps us be in relationship,

00:19:27.940 I'm always very hyper-aware of the colonizer mind.

00:19:32.760 i'm sure when you when you flew down here you were um very grateful that those had gone before you

00:19:44.960 and had studied physics and propulsion and jet fuels and filtration systems that yeah so we're

00:19:52.000 all we all beneficiaries of science and it's that's real those are real real studies and um

00:19:59.440 real contributions and but i understand your concerns in that we also with it we build

00:20:07.140 weapons and we build non-biodegradable plastics and our atmosphere is contaminated with

00:20:14.520 anthropogenic agents and so yes it can be um used for good and even when it is can be used

00:20:23.820 for generally like just making human lives better in excess it um it contributes to the

00:20:30.400 imperiled state of our planet and i think it leads to or it can lead to more human exceptionalism

00:20:40.280 like this idea that we are now even more supreme because now we understand well so we understand

00:20:48.340 this and we understand that we understand it all and so this striving to be the ones who

00:20:54.460 are the learned ones even that can be to me it just become unattractive the the dream is that

00:21:04.360 we find a way towards kinship which is also very hard to have honest kinship with the more than

00:21:12.260 human world because our lifestyles take so much from them and so i'm i'm not even looking for some

00:21:19.760 perfect solution or answer or even way of being but it it helps me and i appreciate having these

00:21:26.840 conversations with you because i knew you could go here with me and we could kind of go into the

00:21:32.840 ugly and we could go into the beauty behind all of this like there's so many levels of the story

00:21:38.440 of why and what becomes studied

00:21:43.520 or what are the things that are...

00:21:46.580 What is the sphere of legitimate discussion and controversy?

00:21:51.740 And that in and of itself can be incredibly isolating and divisive

00:21:57.660 and it can leave certain voices out of the conversation.

00:22:02.460 and fortunately there is highly elaborate conservation biology

00:22:09.340 and you're with a group of peers of like minds

00:22:11.900 and the goal is to get species

00:22:14.300 so they're not teetering on the brink of extinction

00:22:17.120 and figure out restoration goals

00:22:19.680 and how do we bring back the black-footed ferret

00:22:22.960 and it was a lot of monitoring and awareness and hard work

00:22:27.160 that just the other morning a peregrine falcon came in

00:22:30.040 and zoomed and perched right on that rock

00:22:31.320 and it was like yes you're recovered same thing with the brown pelicans and the humpback whales

00:22:36.880 and the bald eagles and there was a lot of science i mean mostly it's just being aware of

00:22:41.260 just like staying the human hand is often what same thing with these whales it was like um

00:22:47.120 uh it was stop killing them consumptively but of course we killed in many other ways it's like if

00:22:55.280 you like if you like your kiwi fruits from new zealand but that means that they had to come up

00:23:01.220 here on a large container ship at any one time there's 40,000 of those behemoths plying the

00:23:05.040 oceans and they run over whales and the same thing with your foods you know whales get entangled and

00:23:12.600 so lots of different seafoods can imperil whales and um just our our just daily living and putting

00:23:19.920 carbon in the atmosphere it acidifies the ocean and it's harder for the crills to to um create

00:23:26.960 their care paces and so they have to put more energy into maintenance uh because of the

00:23:32.500 decreasing ph and more acidity of the oceans and this goes on and on and on right and so

00:23:38.020 and i see your point is that sometimes it's like science we feel like it's going to solve our

00:23:43.400 excesses by let's come up with a solution so we can continue on our merry way i mean it's hard

00:23:47.520 it's hard to take lessons um from nature and apply them directly to human how we should behave and

00:23:53.820 how we should interact that um unpack whales had do a lot of amazing things with their um

00:24:00.420 tool using behavior of bubbles and their there's large teams these teams based on sort of food

00:24:07.440 co-op principles i mean they figured this stuff out long before we did and so and because these

00:24:13.380 groups as far as we can tell these big bubble netting teams because they appear to be non-relatives

00:24:18.360 they have a very um they're not bound by clan loyalty and they're up here there's some of the

00:24:26.540 cool seasonal separation of breeding and feeding and breeding and reproduction and sex and all

00:24:31.680 kinds of crazy stuff you know male display and bravado and territoriality and uh that all goes

00:24:39.740 away the whales get up here and that's that was six months ago and three thousand miles away

00:24:44.680 is they can actually start to form these coalitions

00:24:47.540 without these disruptive, without jealousy.

00:24:52.740 And they form these institutions,

00:24:55.600 some of these at Wales, as far as we can tell,

00:24:57.280 they've been in these bubble-netting teams.

00:24:58.880 I mean, we've never seen them not in a bubble-netting team.

00:25:01.760 You know, and you seem to spend, you know, months,

00:25:06.660 entire summers, decades, perhaps lifetimes,

00:25:09.580 interacting with the other animals.

00:25:10.920 And so there's some really cool deep bonds formations

00:25:14.440 outside of kinship and we all we all intuitively you know we're highly familial beings we

00:25:20.220 kinship is blood sticker than water and but yeah we form corporations and coalitions and all kinds

00:25:27.220 of institutions are formed in human societies of people who are unrelated right and the whales do

00:25:35.120 that too so i think there's some cool um informative crossover i like what you're speaking to

00:25:41.260 about awareness and there's things that you're saying about studying whales and learning about

00:25:52.000 their behaviors that feel calming to me i personally and maybe people who are listening

00:25:59.400 need to get to a place of trust and and i think about the whales a lot in terms of the boat

00:26:07.420 traffic of course getting hit but also just the noise i mean isn't it maddening for them um

00:26:13.600 they undoubtedly spend huge amounts of cognitive resources into just not getting run over by a

00:26:24.160 ship and um or avoiding things and how this sounds um whether i don't know if maddening

00:26:31.480 right word but you could see how it can gradually impact their ability to the noise to just find

00:26:38.680 each other their acoustic theater you know to be able to detect and communicate with each other

00:26:42.920 gets much much smaller when in the noise and their um it can mask their prey what they're where

00:26:49.620 how they hunt and um it can um predators you know they um um they may not hear the echolocation

00:26:59.200 clicks of a transient pod that's like got designs on the mother's calf right and so

00:27:04.940 yeah there's lots of um potential um but on the other hand the humpbacks are the loudest

00:27:11.960 i mean when they breach and i mean with their pexlin i mean right by their ear

00:27:16.880 they're pounding the surface with their flippers like giant kettle drum and like they're like on

00:27:22.720 a trampoline with their kale and some of the studies that are really done and uh looking at

00:27:27.500 some of the the source levels um i mean i heard i was reading this one paper and um the sound that

00:27:35.540 a humpback can make when it smashes its flukes on the surface um they estimated it's 190 decibels

00:27:43.440 peak to peak that's higher than a seal bomb you know which is one of those commercial devices

00:27:47.560 actually ward the whale so it's like so they have a lot they have any fact that the humpbacks have

00:27:52.060 recovered not only here and the place is lousy with the whales and all right it's wonderful and

00:27:56.940 And it's like, they've recovered 10 of the 14 global population

00:28:01.400 called the steak population segments have been,

00:28:03.620 are considered recovered and have been delisted.

00:28:06.820 And the survival intelligence, the resiliency of these animals is.

00:28:19.820 All right, friends, that's where we'll leave things for today.

00:28:23.940 Projects like in the company of humpbacks don't happen alone.

00:28:27.760 They unfold through long conversations, through time on the water, through shared curiosity,

00:28:33.400 and through a whole constellation of people who care deeply about these whales and the places they call home.

00:28:39.480 This series grew alongside research and storytelling, connected to Five Fingers Lighthouse,

00:28:45.480 along with many other generous folks who shared their time, their knowledge, and their boats with us along the way.

00:28:52.300 It's also the first series we're releasing through a new studio model for the wild.

00:28:57.040 Something we've been quietly building behind the scenes.

00:29:00.380 A space where partners come to us with the stories they've once told.

00:29:04.060 And together, we collaborate on bringing these stories into the world.

00:29:08.200 A big thank you as well to the American Cetacean Society, Barnacle Foods, and the Alaska Fisheries Development Foundation

00:29:15.120 for supporting the work that made this series possible.

00:29:18.780 And of course, to you.

00:29:21.560 Thanks for wandering these waters with us.

00:29:24.840 And thanks for being a part of this beautiful listening community we're building together.

00:29:29.420 I'll pass things over now to Victoria for a few credits and ways to stay connected.

00:29:39.600 Thank you for listening to this episode of For the Wild series in the company of humpbacks.

00:29:46.380 For the Wild is produced by Ayanna Young, Erica Ekram, Julia Jackson, Ori Bittle, and Victoria Pham.

00:29:54.900 This series features music and sound design, created by the For the Wild Studio.

00:30:00.100 You can also join us on Patreon for access to extended episodes,

00:30:04.320 including the extended version of this very episode,

00:30:06.660 along with uncut conversations and our full archive and publishing library.

00:30:10.840 as Fall the Wild continues its transformation into the Fall the Wild studio

00:30:15.320 we invite you to stay close as we explore new creative offerings

00:30:19.180 collaborations and ways of listening together to stay connected

00:30:22.980 follow Fall the Wild on Instagram and subscribe to our newsletter

00:30:27.100 for updates, reflections and upcoming releases

00:30:29.880 thank you for being with us and as always

00:30:33.420 thank you for listening

00:30:40.840 Thank you.

For The Wild - April 02, 2026

IN THE COMPANY OF HUMPBACKS S1：E2

Episode Stats

Transcript