For The Wild - April 21, 2016


JILL STEIN on the Fertile Grounds for Revolution ⧸34

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DIANA BERESFORD-KROEGER on Replanting the Global Forest, Part Two ⧸33 ROBIN WALL KIMMERER on Indigenous Knowledge for Earth Healing ⧸35

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00:00:00.000 It's high on a mountain
00:00:23.060 The warm winds are blowing
00:00:24.480 And where the winds are blowing to
00:00:26.380 There ain't no way of knowing
00:00:29.140 The mountain grass is short
00:00:32.660 It's dry and close to burning
00:00:35.400 Crying out for water
00:00:38.640 As the season's turning
00:00:41.700 Sweet smell of the pine
00:00:45.200 Tall western cedar
00:00:48.340 Drifting on the wind
00:00:51.800 Through the mountains like a river
00:00:59.140 Hello, my name is Ayanna Young, and I welcome you to Unlearn and Rewild, where we explore radical ideas relating to earth renewal.
00:01:10.280 The first season of this program has explored our ecological predicament from the vantage of activism, science, indigenous knowledge, and eco-psychology.
00:01:20.320 And we've brainstormed and dreamed about how to move towards a regenerative future as an earth community.
00:01:25.440 the window we must pass through to escape a total unraveling of the climate and biodiversity
00:01:31.100 is so small that we must focus all our creative powers on hitting that target
00:01:36.660 no matter how radical the changes we must make in our societies and ourselves the other part
00:01:43.380 of the message is that we can't do it alone and we must partner with the plants animals
00:01:49.080 fungi and bacteria those ancient survivors and healers who give so freely of their gifts
00:01:55.080 In separation, all creatures perish, but together we comprise complete intelligence, a beating heart.
00:02:04.000 Our inquiries have often been conceptual, as we dig down to the roots of our collective confusions and shadows.
00:02:11.300 We've set aside the fine-toothed political and economic discussions,
00:02:15.340 because they often conclude that what's necessary is impossible,
00:02:19.300 and thus produce no meaningful solutions that change our destructive course.
00:02:24.080 Today marks a new direction.
00:02:26.600 Our guest today is a rare breed, a politician who not only can admit our political system
00:02:32.040 is broken and our home planet cries for radical change, but who is absolutely dedicated to
00:02:37.760 building a movement around making it through that diminishing window of opportunity.
00:02:42.880 Jill Stein is the Green Party's 2016 candidate for President of the United States.
00:02:49.000 She is an organizer, physician, and pioneering environmental health advocate.
00:02:54.160 She has led initiatives promoting healthy communities, local green economies, and the revitalization of democracy,
00:03:01.620 addressing issues such as campaign finance reform, green jobs, radically just redistricting,
00:03:08.020 and the cleanup of incinerators, coal plants, and toxics.
00:03:11.340 She was a principal organizer for the global climate convergence for people, planet, and peace over profit.
00:03:18.100 Hello, Jill. So glad to have you with us today.
00:03:22.380 The pleasure is mine, Ayanna, and what an inspiring introduction.
00:03:26.800 And thank you for putting it all together in the very compelling, immediate, and inspirational way that you do.
00:03:35.740 Well, thank you, Jill.
00:03:39.100 I'd like to begin with a quote from your campaign website.
00:03:43.020 My power to the people plan creates deep system change, moving from the greed and exploitation of corporate capitalism to a human-centered economy that puts people, planet, and peace over profit, unquote.
00:03:58.580 I'm really glad that you mention, along with people, the planet and peace as organizing principles.
00:04:05.780 Can you explain your notion of human-centered economy and how could your Green New Deal usher in an age of lasting peace and prosperity, a new Pax Americana?
00:04:20.820 Great. It's really clear that we cannot separate ourselves from either the environment or from the rest of the circle of life. 0.65
00:04:32.580 we're very much a part of it. There's a myth out there that we have to choose between jobs that
00:04:39.520 sustain our families and our economies on one hand, or the environment on the other. And that
00:04:46.460 is so exactly opposite of the reality is that these two things have to go together. The economy
00:04:52.900 cannot survive without its ecological base. And likewise, ecology cannot survive unless the needs
00:05:00.020 of people are met because we have enormous power to deforest the wilderness around us,
00:05:06.360 to overfish the oceans, etc. We have to live in harmony. And the native concept of Mother Earth
00:05:13.120 really puts this together, humanity as a part of nature at large. And we've sort of modeled
00:05:21.140 our Green New Deal on this concept that we can have it all or none of it. Actually,
00:05:29.600 you know, in my background as a medical doctor or all of us who occasionally might see a health
00:05:36.520 practitioner, we don't go in and say, please just take care of my heart and forget my lungs and my
00:05:42.380 brain and my nervous system and my mental health. You know, we come as a whole as individuals and
00:05:50.100 we come as a whole as society. So we've got to do it all. That's why we use the concept of people,
00:05:56.040 planet, and peace. They have to come together and they have to be placed over profit because
00:06:01.340 currently our economy is really guided by, dominated by, tyrannically, principles of
00:06:08.260 greatest profit for the hands of a few. And all of this, of course, also goes together with
00:06:13.600 democracy, with grassroots democracy, with a government that is of, by, and for us, the people.
00:06:20.100 The words of the Supreme Court Justice, Louis Brandeis, who was Chief Justice in the last century, that we have a choice. We cannot have both a democracy and vast concentrations of wealth. But vast concentrations of wealth is what we have, and great wealth begets more wealth.
00:06:38.820 And so we're on this accelerating course to where 62 billionaires now have the wealth equivalent to the lower half, the poorer half of the world's population. This is just staggering. And it becomes more concentrated year by year. And the wealth of those 62 fat cats is increasing at the same time that the wealth of the 3.5 billion poorest people in the world is diminishing.
00:07:05.100 You know, the world does not survive like this.
00:07:07.480 In the words of Buckminster Fuller, who I had the pleasure of hearing many years ago, shortly before he died, what he said was, it's all of us or it's none of us and the time is now.
00:07:18.700 And those words just stuck with me so much.
00:07:21.660 This was like back in the 1980s.
00:07:24.060 And I think that is where the future lies.
00:07:26.660 It's a future for all of us.
00:07:27.940 Either this ship is going to sink and we're all going to sink on it or we're going to sail together. 0.80
00:07:31.360 So the Green New Deal basically makes it possible for us to sail together. It's an emergency program that recognizes the emergency both of our economy and of our climate and of our democracy, for that matter. And what it does is create 20 million jobs, which is essentially a job for everyone. It's the guarantee of a living wage full-time job for everyone for the purpose of an emergency transition to a green economy. 0.70
00:07:57.740 And that means greening our energy system, our food, our transportation, restoring ecosystems and building other critical and necessary infrastructure like affordable housing, for example.
00:08:09.580 So you have basically an emergency program like the wartime mobilization after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. A national emergency was declared that enabled us to switch or to transform 25% of GDP in the course of six months. We did that in six months. We mobilized to a wartime footing.
00:08:32.100 so we're calling for how about 15 years to get to 100 renewable energy that is by 2030 we can do
00:08:40.940 this because the emergency we're facing now makes pearl harbor look like small potatoes just from
00:08:48.500 the breakup of the ice sheets alone which could happen within decades if we don't really mobilize
00:08:53.700 we're looking at not one harbor which is at risk but all harbors we're looking at all coastlines
00:09:00.580 all population centers along coastal areas, which will basically be obliterated in the blink of an
00:09:06.000 eye if we allow this to happen. So we need to be clear. The American people is really hungering
00:09:11.540 for a way forward and are ready for concerted climate action in spite of the propaganda that
00:09:17.600 they're bombarded with. And I've found over and over again that when we have a chance to stand up
00:09:22.280 with a credible plan and a new deal is something we already did. This is not pie in the sky.
00:09:27.520 It's not rocket science. This is entirely doable in a way that transforms our economy to a locally based agenda so that communities can define what they need to become sustainable in terms of food, energy, transportation, other essential infrastructure and ecosystem restoration.
00:09:46.180 It puts most of the power into the hands of communities and it funds it nationally to make this transformation.
00:09:53.340 I can talk a little bit about the funding if you'd like to hear that in a nutshell, because it's a question people often ask.
00:09:59.440 Absolutely. That was one of my questions.
00:10:02.800 The beauty of this is that it basically funds itself.
00:10:06.540 And the biggest mode of funding here is the astounding health improvements that develop simply from eliminating pollution.
00:10:15.140 We don't generally recognize it because it has been sort of a slow epidemic, but air pollution and the pollution related to fossil fuels, so it's not only the air pollutants, it's other things like mercury and other toxic substances that are in our air and in our water supplies and in much of our food as well, especially in the aquatic food chain.
00:10:39.780 These pollutants have an enormous impact on our health and contribute enormously to heart attacks, to strokes, to diabetes, to cancer, to asthma, to this modern epidemic, which gets a whole lot better the minute you get rid of the fossil fuels.
00:10:59.660 This is not only shown in academic studies, engineering studies that show how much health will improve when certain pollutants are eliminated, but it's also happened in a real world occurrence.
00:11:13.340 And that was in the country of Cuba when their oil pipeline went down with the collapse of the Soviet Union.
00:11:20.000 Practically overnight, their health had a miraculous transformation.
00:11:26.280 Within about two or three years, you could see these massive reductions, not only in
00:11:30.700 obesity rates.
00:11:31.780 And I should add that as part of their transition to fossil free, they also enacted a local
00:11:40.140 organic sustainable food system, which they had to do because they didn't have the oil
00:11:45.440 to drive the tractors and they didn't have the pesticides and the fertilizers, which
00:11:50.400 are all derived from fossil fuels.
00:11:52.160 So suddenly they had to go organic.
00:11:54.540 And what happened?
00:11:55.540 their death rates from diabetes plummeted by 50 percent their death rates from heart attacks and
00:12:02.480 strokes went down about by 30 percent and their all-cause mortality went down 20 percent their
00:12:10.080 obesity rates again went down 50 percent so they had basically a health miracle that we cannot
00:12:15.460 achieve and what do we spend on our health care system it's not a health care system in reality
00:12:20.180 It's a sick care system that basically allows us to run as hard as we can on this treadmill where we are sickened by pollutants, by a sick food system, and by a passive transportation system that locks us into this polluting fossil fuel system and surrounds us with all the more pollution.
00:12:37.640 So we spend $3 trillion a year on that. And it's well understood that through a healthy and largely plant-based local and organic diet that makes healthy food affordable instead of making it expensive, through that diet, through a sustainable energy system, and through an active transportation system that allows us to actually bike and walk safely to where we're going and to get to transit hubs for energy efficient, low-polluting mass transportation.
00:13:07.640 transportation and low energy. And non-polluting actually is where we need to go with it. So we
00:13:12.940 can have this system that not only works for creating lots of jobs, for greening the planet
00:13:19.500 and turning the tide on climate change, but it's also a health miracle. And we can drastically
00:13:27.840 undercut this $3 trillion a year that we're spending. It's not unrealistic to assume we
00:13:33.600 can cut those costs, perhaps 30%, perhaps even 50%. So there could be hundreds of billions of
00:13:40.460 dollars that we are saving on an annual basis from getting healthy as we cut pollution by
00:13:47.320 transitioning to the Green New Deal. So that's one way that it pays for itself. And the other way
00:13:51.920 is that it makes the frigging wars for oil obsolete. Those wars can no longer be justified
00:13:57.320 as a fossil fuel grab. We have bases all over the world and we're fighting the so-called war on
00:14:03.120 terror, which is basically a war for oil and for natural gas, and to secure the routes of
00:14:08.520 transportation for them. So you no longer need to have a thousand bases scattered in over 100
00:14:14.600 countries around the world. And you don't need, for example, a trillion dollar new nuclear weapon
00:14:20.480 system, which is what the Obama administration has embarked on. So there are major massive
00:14:27.040 savings. We're calling for about a 50% cut to the military budget, which is occupying over 50%
00:14:34.960 of our discretionary expenditures to start with. So this is a win-win-win solution for our economy,
00:14:42.840 for our planet, for our health, and for global peace and security. And this is all within our
00:14:47.940 hands. It pays for itself. And actually, we have the power to stand up and make this happen the
00:14:54.540 minute we stand up with the courage of our convictions and insist that this is the way
00:14:59.920 forward.
00:15:01.660 Incredible, Jill.
00:15:03.400 You've put into words, many of the things we're taught are political impossibilities,
00:15:09.500 but hearing them from a presidential candidate is really invigorating.
00:15:14.680 And I really appreciate that you spoke about the climate as an emergency and also your
00:15:20.580 analysis of the healthcare system and on war. These are two subjects that I'd like to develop
00:15:26.820 further with you. But first, as far as political solutions for a post-carbon society, the Green
00:15:35.220 New Deal is a beautiful vision. But a big concern is that we'll just plug our lifestyle
00:15:41.280 into a renewable outlet, so to speak. And we won't address our underlying shadows of
00:15:48.560 overconsumption and addiction to screens, cars, etc. And we'll just keep externalizing this
00:15:57.300 environmental degradation that's turning large areas of China into desert due to mining, for
00:16:04.420 instance. And we would still need all the copper for transmission lines, also highly polluting to
00:16:10.400 mine and process. And then the stream of outdated gadgets flooding landfills and oceans would
00:16:15.960 continue. And I could go on. You know, not many people like to bring up the less romantic side
00:16:24.040 of renewables. But it's important we take that into consideration and focus on cutting our energy
00:16:30.420 needs significantly. And we cannot accept this throwaway culture. Absolutely. And I think the
00:16:38.900 Throwaway culture thrives for many reasons, and one of the big drivers of it is the dictates of corporate culture, and that when you have a culture that is subject to endless propaganda about how we need to buy and how happy we will be when we buy these things, everything from antidepressants to the latest fashion and the latest electronic gadget,
00:17:03.660 This is the very sick society that's created by the corporate hijacking of our culture as well as our economy. And part of what we have to do in order to create a sustainable economy is we have to dismantle the power of corporations such that we can have an economy that's run on behalf of the public interest.
00:17:26.180 And so part of our larger agenda is a series of democracy reforms. And that means restoring human rights to people and taking them away from corporations who have stolen them from us so that we can begin to rein in and regulate corporations in all kinds of ways because, you know, what they do to us is just not consistent with our survival and with our health.
00:17:46.440 And, for example, corporate advertising for industrial destructive food is extremely harmful. And there's an outrageous statistic out there, if I can recall it, the annual budget for Coca-Cola and Pepsi advertising is greater than the entire budget of the World Health Organization, if you can imagine that.
00:18:10.060 And that speaks volumes about what's wrong here with this picture, is that we have a culture which is goaded into sickness and pathology because corporations are allowed to run rampant.
00:18:23.300 So we have to rein in the power of corporations to dictate who we are and what we want.
00:18:28.780 And I think part of this is just breaking that stranglehold.
00:18:33.200 And let me just make the overarching point here, which is sort of implicit in all this, but I want to be sure to make it explicit. And that is, we currently have a political system and an economy that is dominated by two political parties, Democrats and Republicans, who are funded by predatory banks, fossil fuel giants, and war profiteers, and a number of other usual suspects.
00:18:57.440 But those are kind of big three who reign supreme right now.
00:19:02.420 And because our political culture is basically dictated by them, they have dictated a whole
00:19:08.380 series of policies from our food, you know, the lack of consumer protection, financialization,
00:19:16.540 the deregulation of all aspects of our economy and society, the prison state that we live
00:19:23.740 the offshoring of our jobs, the corporate trade agreements. And this isn't just something to
00:19:29.180 blame on Republicans, because this has been the agenda of the Democrats, even when they had two
00:19:33.900 houses of Congress. So in the midst of the economic crisis of 2008, we saw Obama and the
00:19:40.440 congressional Democrats prioritize bailouts for Wall Street and throw the rest of us under the
00:19:45.480 bus. So we have a political system which is fundamentally corrupt and which is further
00:19:51.080 They're corrupting all of us and truthfully has created a lethal trajectory for us that we will not survive, whether you're looking at economic collapse or the climate meltdown, which is imminent, the collapse of species under the sixth great extinction, the expanding wars, the fascist state and the attack on our civil liberties.
00:20:14.700 This is not a world compatible with life, not with human life and not with civilization, period. We don't get out of here alive. So we need a transformative agenda, not just tweaks around the margins. We really need to stand up for what it is that we need because what is, quote, politically possible, unquote, is not compatible with survival.
00:20:38.200 So we need to reject what is currently defined as politically possible and create a new politics that is compatible with and that in fact supports our survival economically, ecologically, democratically, and in terms of global peace and security.
00:20:56.240 That is the new politics. And the wonderful thing here, and I just want to emphasize this up front, this corruption that you refer to, which is so important to look at, this comes with the territory of a corrupt political system.
00:21:13.200 It must be rejected. And do not be intimidated by the propaganda that will come at you that we have to choose the lesser of two evils and that, you know, we have to do whatever it takes to avoid the worst evil.
00:21:29.580 The truth of the matter is the lesser evil paves the way for the greater evil. We saw that happen when Obama won and we had two houses of Democratic Congress. What happened at the very next midterm election? The first house of Congress was lost. The house was lost to Republicans. You had a blue to red transition because when the lesser evil wins, people no longer come out to vote.
00:21:53.500 They don't come out to vote based on what they fear. They come out to vote based on what we believe and based on our high hopes. Democracy needs a moral compass. We have to be that moral compass. That's why we have to stand up and reject the lesser evil and fight like hell for the greater good, because our lives depend on it. And it's only us who will make it happen. The two sold out corporate parties will not make it happen.
00:22:17.860 So I just wanted to inject that now up front and early that the kind of crazy tailspin that we are in right now is part of this converging spectrum of crises that are coming down on us right now.
00:22:35.160 And in order to change the course, we have to grab hold at every hook that we can, because what happens when you do start doing the right thing is that the solutions also converge in the same way that the crises converge.
00:22:51.460 We can combat them with the solutions that converge, whether that is by abolishing poverty and creating jobs for people, by abolishing student debt and bringing back into society 43 million young people and not so young people who don't have a future because they're locked into debt.
00:23:13.260 The minute that happens, you know, you unleash a whole new chain of possibility because it's young people who are imagining our future, you know, and who are creating our future. So they need to be brought back. They've been thrown under the bus by Democrats and Republicans. 80% stayed home in 2014. And why should they come out?
00:23:32.680 We're not only arguing to make public higher education free, as many of the Democrats are
00:23:38.060 doing.
00:23:38.500 We're saying we need to abolish student debt, and we need to do that now, and we can do
00:23:42.900 that with a stroke of a pen in winning the White House.
00:23:45.860 And the beauty of this is that 43 million young people in debt can actually take control
00:23:52.120 of the election, because 43 million indebted young people is a plurality of a three-way
00:23:58.360 race.
00:23:58.860 And it's looking now like it could easily be a four-way and possibly a five-way race where there will be four oligarchs running, representing the destructive one-percenters, in turn representing the war profiteers and the fossil fuel giants and the Wall Street predators.
00:24:18.700 They will have four representatives, and we the people will have one. 0.98
00:24:23.020 This is presuming that Hillary is going to get the Democratic nomination, and we can discuss that 0.89
00:24:27.700 on its own terms if you'd like to. But the odds are that's going to be the terms of the election. 0.92
00:24:34.400 And further, we need a political party here that's going to keep fighting the fight. Whether Bernie
00:24:41.160 Sanders gets the nomination, which is extremely unlikely, and we can talk about why that is.
00:24:45.600 But even if he did, my view is that we still need an independent party because the Democratic
00:24:50.720 Party has demonstrated who its master is. Even when they ran a peace candidate in 1972, which is
00:24:57.700 the last time they allowed a true reformer to get the nomination, and they've since created what we
00:25:04.500 call the kill switch to basically sabotage these campaigns once they get going. But even the last
00:25:10.220 time they allowed someone to get the nomination, they basically trashed him and allowed him to
00:25:14.760 crash and burn. And they buried his agenda after his race. We need a political party to lift up
00:25:21.020 the social movement that we are building so that it doesn't disappear when the primaries are over
00:25:26.580 and it doesn't disappear when the general election is over. Because even as the Democrats
00:25:30.940 have lifted up their Jesse Jacksons, their Howard Deans, their Dennis Kucinich's,
00:25:37.760 they fake left. The candidates are genuine, but the party is faking left and marching right.
00:25:43.620 So when these candidates are finally brought down by the party, the party only becomes more corporatist, more conservative, more imperialist, more militaristic. It is not getting better. The sooner we stand up and stand our ground for a world that works for all of us, the better off we're going to be. We need to stand up now if we are ever going to take our future back. We have to build towards that starting today.
00:26:14.440 One issue that has historically divided Republicans and Democrats, and although, as you've said, the parties have become pretty indistinguishable in many ways, is the debate over public lands, which has been reignited with the Oregon Wildlife Refuge occupation.
00:26:32.640 The science is getting more comprehensive all the time about how necessary biodiversity is for our natural communities to survive.
00:26:41.880 Climate change threatens biodiversity and is made worse by biodiversity loss.
00:26:48.020 E.O. Wilson estimates that we need half the earth under protection to avoid an extinction spiral.
00:26:54.160 And while the U.S. fair is better than most countries with something like 27% of its land under some kind of protection, it's not enough.
00:27:03.920 And much of it's degraded by historical use and continued resource extraction.
00:27:08.660 And it's also primarily fragmented into disconnected chunks.
00:27:14.320 So what would you say would put us on the path to reconciliation over public lands and native lands in light of E.O. Wilson's recommendations?
00:27:25.580 You've raised a number of important issues, and I want to try to at least briefly touch on them all.
00:27:31.600 I think in the same way that to get to 100% renewable energy by 2030, the first step is to say no new fossil fuel infrastructure nor nuclear infrastructure starting today.
00:27:44.140 They all stop.
00:27:45.620 And then we begin to quickly dismantle them to enact conservation and to build locally resilient economies so that our energy requirement, as you point out, it needs to be reduced.
00:27:58.940 But it can be reduced as well as made sustainable. It can be reduced by changes in our living habits, which are actually improvements and which make life far more healthy and pleasurable and holistic. So in part, it's a change in our values. And it's an embrace of traditional values and sustainability. So I don't see this as sacrifice. You know, I see this as a gain.
00:28:22.380 And same holds with regard to public lands and even lands that are not public, but which are not developed. I think there needs to be a halt on development that we have to save every bit of natural space that we have, and then we need to begin restoring it.
00:28:40.540 And I take E.O. Wilson's recommendations rather seriously. And I think that indeed the crisis of biodiversity is a crisis of extinction. And we are in that extinction mode right now. So we have an extinction emergency that we are a part of. And it's important for people to know, which they don't, that we are very much in the target hairs of this extinction crisis.
00:29:02.780 And some have predicted that we will lose between 30 to 50 percent of all species by the end of the century.
00:29:09.040 That doesn't bode well for human survival.
00:29:11.740 We are teetering on the brink of any number of crises related to the biodiversity crises.
00:29:17.000 And often people don't understand how that impacts them.
00:29:20.940 The fact that our aquatic food chain, the marine food chain, the marine fisheries could collapse.
00:29:26.420 We have very little sense of what's going on there other than that some really critical building blocks at the infrastructure at the base of this food chain are showing very alarming signs of ill health.
00:29:40.700 So we need to protect all of our ecosystems, including public lands, and need to take dramatic steps, including to stop all plundering that's going on on these public lands immediately right now, whether that's deforestation or extraction.
00:29:56.420 which is extremely destructive. And there's really no justification for allowing that to
00:30:01.580 continue. And I underscore what you said before about how we've externalized our emissions.
00:30:06.940 You know, emissions need to include extraction and not just the burning of fossil fuels,
00:30:11.280 because we are responsible. If we've extracted them, they're going to get burned. So that needs
00:30:16.220 to be counted. And it all needs to drop to zero. You know, when we aim for zero fossil fuels,
00:30:21.200 that means zero extraction. It needs to begin reduction, rapid reduction today.
00:30:27.900 And in terms of Native lands, it's really important to stress how Native peoples have lived
00:30:35.040 synergistically with the land for millennia and have been the caretakers of the land.
00:30:41.800 So we need to respect that, to respect our treaty obligations, to provide them to those tribes that
00:30:48.700 don't have them yet, who've been denied recognition. We need to recognize the people
00:30:53.120 from whom this entire nation was stolen and recognize those treaty rights and strengthen
00:30:59.560 the longstanding responsibility that Native people have asserted to protect and nurture the land.
00:31:09.400 There's been some discussion about a national reforestation initiative, which could put
00:31:15.000 millions to work planting trees, for instance, in landscapes laid bare by agriculture, mining,
00:31:22.460 logging, sprawling suburbs, etc. How do you see the political climate for a national ecological
00:31:30.240 restoration program? And how could it be funded if there's no money in it for extractive industries
00:31:36.440 or developers? Great point. This is why we've integrated it into the Green New Deal,
00:31:42.220 which calls for ecosystem restoration. This is part of funding this broader program for making
00:31:50.620 our communities sustainable ecologically, economically, and socially. So it includes
00:31:57.460 and it prioritizes land restoration and creating the jobs that it takes to do that. It gets funded
00:32:05.860 by cuts in the military, made possible by making wars for oil obsolete in a clean energy,
00:32:13.060 renewable energy economy. And it gets funded by the benefits to our health, which translate
00:32:20.400 into hundreds of billions of dollars per year. Studies have shown that we can create on the
00:32:28.240 order of 20 million jobs for somewhere around the cost of the last stimulus package, which was
00:32:35.420 $800 billion only created two or maybe three million jobs because it was full of incentives
00:32:42.400 for corporations, which is not an efficient way to create jobs. By directly funding jobs at the
00:32:47.880 community level, these jobs can be created in a way that the funding goes automatically to the
00:32:53.920 people who are working on an agenda that is community defined, but which has built-in
00:32:59.640 guidelines and priorities, again, which are energy, food, transportation, and ecosystem
00:33:05.800 restoration. So it's doable. It's entirely doable. Thank you. And in your earlier comments,
00:33:13.720 you touched on US foreign policy. But I'd like if you could elaborate on the cycle of war
00:33:19.240 profiteering that is at the center of American fascism, with US weapon manufacturing and arming
00:33:25.460 of dictators, and the practice of creating instability in target nations and then intervening.
00:33:31.560 How would you steer the nation in a different direction?
00:33:35.380 So how do you get our foreign policy out from the clutches of the war profiteers?
00:33:45.340 Because truth to tell, they're creating enemies so that they can keep building weapon systems.
00:33:49.900 and they did that in Iraq, you know, this war for the weapons of mass destruction, you know, 0.77
00:33:56.560 that did not exist. They're looking for places to go to war, not only for the weapons industry,
00:34:01.740 but also for the fossil fuel industry. So having political parties in a political system
00:34:07.160 that is run by deep pockets is a very destructive way to run a country and we're not going to
00:34:14.620 survive doing it. So how do you break that stranglehold? Well, one way is by supporting
00:34:19.440 the political alternative in the form of the Green Party and our campaign. But another way,
00:34:24.360 we can implement real solutions here. It's not rocket science how to do this. So one way you
00:34:30.400 break the stranglehold is by implementing what are called pay-to-play protections. Right now,
00:34:37.900 those who pay in by way of lobbyists or by way of campaign contributions, they get to play.
00:34:46.520 You know, these are the players who then define our foreign policy, who define our energy policy.
00:34:51.280 So you create a prohibition. This has been used in places around the world.
00:34:56.420 You create a rule which reads like this. If you are hiring a lobbyist to promote your weapons plan
00:35:05.000 or your weapons sale, you're going for a government contract, you hire a lobbyist
00:35:09.020 or you give campaign contributions to Hillary Clinton or to whoever, or, you know, one of the
00:35:14.680 Republicans. If you are paying to play, well, guess what? You are not eligible for government
00:35:21.740 contracting. It's that simple. If you pay in, you don't get to play. Other ways you break the
00:35:28.380 stranglehold is by creating publicly funded elections, which actually we did in my home
00:35:34.000 state in Massachusetts. We did it through a referendum. And then the legislature, which was
00:35:38.200 85 percent Democratic, you know, the progressive Democrats of Massachusetts, they repealed it on a
00:35:43.880 voice vote, you know, which told me about where real change was going to happen in this country.
00:35:49.340 So this can be done and there are many ways to do it. The powers that be are forever handing down
00:35:57.640 doomsday scenarios to tell you that resistance is futile. Don't even try. Don't even think about it.
00:36:03.320 The problem is too complicated. Let us foxes who are guarding the chicken goop, trust us. We'll
00:36:09.200 solve it. And they'll give you all kinds of reasons why you can't possibly solve it. You
00:36:13.700 don't have the money to solve it. It is inherently unsolvable. And you are powerless, by the way.
00:36:19.100 Well, actually, all of that is not true. All of that is patently false. We can solve these
00:36:23.220 problems. There are real solutions for them. There are scenarios that win the day for people,
00:36:28.420 planet in peace over profit. And we do have the power to do it. Remember, there are 43 million
00:36:34.160 young people who will get out and vote for the green change we need if we just get the word out.
00:36:41.120 And I would encourage people to go sign up at our website, jill2016.com, and get the word out,
00:36:46.340 you know, however you want. Young people are the best self-organizing demographic out there.
00:36:51.880 And to let them know that they can cancel debt, that word will spread like a wildfire. And there
00:36:56.620 are 25 million Latinos who also vote, who've learned that the Democrats are the party of,
00:37:02.020 you know, deportations and night raids now as well, and detentions, and the Republicans are
00:37:09.380 the fear mongerers and the hate mongerers. So there are big constituencies out there that can
00:37:14.420 win this for us. And knitting these things together as part of an agenda for people,
00:37:21.160 Planet and Peace, gives us a very compelling agenda that actually the American people support
00:37:26.880 in poll after poll. And the critical thing is to throw off the illusion of powerlessness
00:37:33.820 that has been spun, the hype, the falsehoods, the climate of fear that is spun by the political
00:37:43.980 predators that are out there that are trying to maintain their grip on power. We do have the power.
00:37:48.880 it's up to us to just stand up and use it. And going back to this war machine,
00:37:57.760 as president, what would be your first agenda with decommissioning these wars?
00:38:05.160 Great. Maybe I should say a word about how we stand up to ISIS first, because
00:38:10.540 people are always going to balk at that and say, well, how can we demilitarize when we have the
00:38:16.280 likes of ISIS that are threatening us. And so I think it's really important to answer that first.
00:38:21.720 And the point here is that more of what created ISIS is not going to stop ISIS. ISIS grew out of
00:38:30.740 the war and chaos in Iraq, and that's widely acknowledged. We created ISIS. And before ISIS, 0.99
00:38:36.940 there was al-Qaeda. And where did al-Qaeda come from? Well, al-Qaeda actually grew out of the
00:38:42.780 conflict in Afghanistan. And where did that start? You know, well, that started with the US and the
00:38:49.520 CIA and the Saudis working together to create the Mujahideen, this international jihadi
00:38:57.300 terrorist movement to make trouble for the Russians. And so the Mujahideen became, you know, 0.66
00:39:04.040 that was the birth of the international terrorist movement. And along with that, the Taliban became
00:39:09.020 stronger. We created Al-Qaeda growing out of that. And it's just been this growing cycle of violence.
00:39:14.680 And each time we try to extinguish it with more violence, guess what? The Medusa grows another
00:39:19.600 head, you know, or a few more heads. So this doesn't work. Now, here's the well-kept secret.
00:39:26.700 Throughout all of this, what's been the driving force? Well, it's actually been funding and arms,
00:39:31.800 which are flowing from where? From Saudi Arabia, from other allies, and from ourselves, the U.S.
00:39:38.700 Now, we may not be directly arming ISIS at this moment, but we are assisting in the armament of other terrorist groups that we call good terrorists, you know, but the reality is terrorists are not card carrying members of legal organizations that have a membership.
00:39:53.760 And there aren't clearly good guys with white hats and bad guys with black hats here.
00:39:58.840 You know, there's a whole mix from people who are responding to occupation and to drones and to bombs.
00:40:07.000 So there are resistance fighters, there are warlords, and there are religious extremists.
00:40:14.500 And they're all shifting and they all have different names and they're all changing day by day.
00:40:18.940 And many of them, you know, don't identify with any particular name.
00:40:22.460 With the group that happens to be there. So by deciding that there are good guys we're going to throw weapons at and that we're going to throw money at, this has been an absolute disaster. The Saudis have been leading the way here with their own homegrown terrorism called Wahhabism, which has been the basis for global jihadism all over the place.
00:40:41.200 So the Saudis have really been the prime mover here. And we had a deal with them that as long as they provided us oil, we would look the other way on their Wahhabi expansionism. So that's where it needs to get fixed. How do we do it? We do it by stopping the flow of weapons with an arms embargo that we initiate. We've been selling the Saudis arms to disperse throughout the Middle East. 0.98
00:41:02.820 We have sold them somewhere between $50 and $100 billion in the last five years.
00:41:07.940 So that's got to stop.
00:41:09.180 We have an arms sale right now to the Saudis, which needs to be called to a halt.
00:41:12.940 We should not be selling any more arms to the Saudis. 0.99
00:41:15.520 You know, we need to simply impose a weapons embargo on the whole Middle East and stop 0.98
00:41:19.060 using a flamethrower on it. 0.57
00:41:21.040 And in addition, we have to stop the flow of funds. 0.97
00:41:24.800 So that's coming in particular from the Saudis.
00:41:27.180 This goes back to 9-11, when it was clear that most of the terrorists were coming out of Saudi Arabia, and a lot of the funds for terrorism were also coming from Saudi Arabia. 0.85
00:41:38.580 We have been telling them supposedly to clean up their act for over a decade.
00:41:44.060 And as recently as 2012, one of Hillary Clinton's own emails that was released by WikiLeaks as Secretary of State 0.98
00:41:52.360 acknowledged that the Saudis are still the major funder of terrorism.
00:41:58.300 The New York Times ran an article that acknowledged this just this past week.
00:42:02.520 So the Saudis have to be reined in. 1.00
00:42:04.460 And if asking nicely hasn't worked, it's time to start impounding their bank accounts and freezing them or seizing them. 0.99
00:42:11.220 You know, we need to actually stop this, the care and feeding of violent terrorism around the world. 0.96
00:42:20.520 And that is coming largely out of the Saudis, but also out of the Qataris. 0.79
00:42:24.140 We need to stop the Turks from buying and then selling the oil of ISIS and thereby financing them the illegal oil sales. 0.77
00:42:33.560 And we also need to insist that the Turks close their border to the movement of jihadi troops across their border that come to reinforce ISIS with global jihadis.
00:42:44.080 So this is a fixable problem, but it requires that the U.S. actually stand up on behalf of global peace and security in nonviolent ways, which are going to be far more effective than violence has been in just creating a greater quagmire.
00:42:58.880 So we call this the peace offensive. It's time for the peace offensive.
00:43:03.560 the opposite is only digging us in deeper. So ISIS is a fixable problem. We can stop the 0.99
00:43:11.620 terrorist problem by ending the funding and arming of it, period, generically. And to address your
00:43:19.240 broader question, what do we do to begin drawing back on these endless wars on terror, which by
00:43:26.680 the way have cost us $6 trillion in the past 14 years, have killed over a million people in Iraq
00:43:32.860 alone and have killed tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers killed and maimed. And what has it done? 0.95
00:43:38.320 It has produced failed states, greater terrorist threats, and massive and unsustainable, horrific 1.00
00:43:44.420 refugee mass migrations. So this is a catastrophic policy. It's time to stop it. Instead, what do we 0.99
00:43:51.540 do? You know, we stop arming and funding the terrorists who are driving that side of the
00:43:56.400 problem. And we take the business of our foreign policy out of the hands of the weapons industry
00:44:02.560 and the fossil fuel industry, and we do an immediate emergency overhaul of our foreign
00:44:07.300 policy so that it is based on international law, human rights, and diplomacy. This is how we solve
00:44:12.980 problems and move into a sustainable and just future. As you're speaking, I'm reflecting on
00:44:19.720 our situation in this country after a decade and a half of the war on terror. The last label most
00:44:26.360 people want to have is terrorist. But the word terrorism has become an umbrella to condemn any
00:44:32.840 form of dissent against the dominant culture in the United States. They have the laws in the books
00:44:38.020 that allow for indefinite blackout detentions and extrajudicial killing. They just haven't
00:44:43.800 invoked those laws often. So in this environment of fear and surveillance, how can domestic
00:44:50.980 movements that threaten the corporatocracy gain traction. Occupy Wall Street, of course, comes to
00:44:57.260 mind. Exactly. You know, the concerns that you raise are absolutely right on. But this is also
00:45:06.020 why we must stand up, you know, because left to its own devices, we are on the slippery slope here
00:45:12.040 to fascism. And it's very important that we stand up and we stand together. When you look at how
00:45:17.740 does transformational change happen? It takes a social movement. And just to look at some recent
00:45:23.700 progress, you can look at Guatemala, where hundreds of thousands of people came out into
00:45:28.520 the streets in spite of generations of death squads and military rule and all kinds of awful
00:45:35.360 things. They just had a peaceful movement that stood up and would not be silenced. And what did
00:45:42.060 they accomplish? Well, they ousted a president. They stripped him of his immunity. And the next
00:45:46.880 day he was in jail. And that fight continues. But this is a peaceful, nonviolent, mass social
00:45:52.420 mobilization. You can look at how did Bolivia in Cochabamba, how did they get their water rights,
00:45:58.740 you know, and end the privatization by Bechtel of their water system. They had a mass movement
00:46:04.120 out in the streets that basically did the job, even in East Berlin, when the wall fell down,
00:46:10.440 or I should say when the wall was taken down, it was because the marches, weekly marches that were
00:46:16.600 full of moms and baby carriages. They were becoming so big that the government was humiliated
00:46:22.220 by them, called out the troops, and the troops refused to fire. So this is happening. This social
00:46:27.860 movement is building, and what is so exciting now is that it is unifying across the divides of
00:46:34.780 issues and across national borders and across generations and cultures and racial divides
00:46:42.120 that we are becoming a movement across the spectrum of justice for people, for planet,
00:46:48.420 and for peace. Because all these solutions go together. We can have health as one. We cannot
00:46:54.120 survive without any of these dimensions, without peace, or without a climate, or without economic
00:47:02.860 justice. We will not survive without any one of those. So we need to unify our movements.
00:47:06.720 People are beginning to do that. I think as we collaborate more, we become that unstoppable force that our numbers actually command. Social movements typically, in order to succeed, also need a political voice. And that is one of the places where we also have to stand up and exercise civil disobedience and direct action in the voting booth by defying the corporate political monster that has its hands around our necks.
00:47:35.000 We stand up and we say no to the fear campaign. And we say yes to our deeply held beliefs. And we become that moral compass that democracy needs so that we can lead the way forward. That is how we do it. And I think political parties have always played a really critical and essential role in social transformations.
00:47:55.420 If you look at the abolition of slavery, we had a Liberty Party, a small independent third party that was able to stand up for the right thing.
00:48:04.020 That agenda was absorbed by the Republican Party, which was a small independent third party before it got elected to the presidency.
00:48:11.360 So political transitions actually happen at times of great social transition.
00:48:16.900 So don't believe what they tell you is impossible and their justifications for why resistance is futile.
00:48:22.780 It is not.
00:48:23.500 We need to imagine our future how we want it, and we need to aim for it and let nothing get in our way, and that is what it will take to make it happen.
00:48:32.560 There is no time like the present. This is our existential moment. It is now or never.
00:48:37.360 In terms of the many forms of peril that surround us right now, we need to stand up and reject the lesser evil and the disempowerment that that brings with it.
00:48:48.940 we need to stand up for the greater good and fight like hell for it because our lives depend on it
00:48:55.860 and it is within our reach the minute we stand up with the courage of our convictions.
00:49:02.900 Thank you, Jill. And I also want to ask about the silent war on people of color here at home.
00:49:09.640 The Black Lives Matter movement has shed light on the fact that racism hasn't gone anywhere.
00:49:14.440 It's in many ways reinforced by policies at every level of government, from environmental racism to cultural racism to systemic and personal forms of racism.
00:49:26.620 So how would you propose we root it out from American society and psyche?
00:49:34.640 You're absolutely right.
00:49:36.440 It's deeply rooted.
00:49:37.940 We were founded on the criminal institution of slavery, and our infrastructure was built on it, on slaves and on abused immigrants who were all but slaves.
00:49:48.640 And when slavery was abolished, then you had lynchings, then you had Jim Crow, then you had the segregation culture and the war on drugs and the prison state that we have now.
00:49:59.740 So there's been kind of an endless, seamless line across history of racism and white supremacy, frankly.
00:50:07.940 So it's important to combat that. And we have lifted up a program called a National Action Plan for Racial Justice Now, which is a way of saying and addressing the totality of this crisis in its many forms.
00:50:23.500 And that means addressing, as you've pointed out, not only racism in policing, in courts, in the prisons, but also in the economy, in our schools, in health care, in hiring, in housing.
00:50:36.000 There are solutions for each of these.
00:50:38.000 And to start with, the Green New Deal addresses a lot because it prioritizes actually communities in which the struggle is greatest, which is always the communities of color where the unemployment rates are highest. 0.87
00:50:49.220 That's where it targets first. 0.79
00:50:50.840 So there is a built-in racial justice component to the Green New Deal. But in addition, we're calling for solutions to racism and violence in policing. So that means community control boards, police review boards, so that communities are controlling their police and not the other way around.
00:51:10.100 And also having investigators which are at the ready. They don't need an appointment from the White House. They're standing investigators who are ready to investigate all deaths or serious injuries at the hands of police so that the perpetrators can be held accountable. So there are things that can be done right now that begin to solve this problem.
00:51:32.620 well you've shown yourself as an amazingly focused dedicated candidate and i would just like to
00:51:44.620 if you could speak a little bit about hillary clinton and how some voters are inclined to
00:51:50.600 support hillary because of the inherent progress of female presidency which could conceivably have
00:51:56.600 positive repercussions for women's rights. Based on her record, her allegiances, and her 0.53
00:52:03.820 positions on important issues, is there a reason to be extremely concerned about another Clinton
00:52:08.800 presidency? Absolutely. You know, Hillary's a feminist in name only. You know, if you look at
00:52:16.260 her record, she's predominantly a corporatist, a militarist. She was a board member of Walmart,
00:52:22.820 You know, employing people at low wages, really at poverty wages. She's strongly partnered with the big banks. Goldman Sachs is a big partner of the Clinton Foundation. The Clinton Foundation brings in low wage economic development. No friend to families or to women, you know, in corporate shopping malls. That's kind of economic development, according to Hillary Clinton.
00:52:44.400 So she's got a clear track record. And while she advocates equal wages for women, the kinds of wages that she stands up for are basically poverty wages. So Hillary is full of little distractions around the margins. That's not to say that child care isn't important. 0.99
00:52:59.580 We should all have child care. But we all also need health care, you know, and we need comprehensive health care.
00:53:05.960 We need Medicare for all that covers everyone as a human right. And we need good quality wages.
00:53:11.160 We need a $15 an hour minimum wage, which should be a national standard. 0.98
00:53:15.280 So Hillary has changed her tune a little bit, but it's not the talk. It's the walk. 0.98
00:53:20.620 And Hillary has a very clear record. So buyer beware. 1.00
00:53:23.500 you have another female candidate that you can vote for who truly will advance the true cause 1.00
00:53:29.220 of women and justice for everyone. Let me just underscore what I've alluded to a little bit
00:53:35.660 in the course of our talk here, which has been wonderful. And thank you, Ayanna. This has been
00:53:39.560 really a fabulous conversation. Winning is within our reach in many ways. And we have to define the
00:53:47.060 win. Don't let the corporate predators define the win here because they're going to define it in a
00:53:50.820 way that's intended to make you feel hopeless and powerless. So what works for us as citizens of
00:53:56.980 the planet? What we need to win is to advance this cause here, break the stranglehold of
00:54:04.500 predatory politics as fast as we can, because we are in this state of emergency. But bear in mind
00:54:11.680 that we actually have the capacity to do this. Remember, there are 43 million of them. That is
00:54:16.980 a winning number in the election. So just by mobilizing your friends, by going to our website,
00:54:23.100 by going to our Facebook page, which is Dr. Jill Stein, and that's D-R with no period. So D-R Jill
00:54:30.380 Stein. Going to our Facebook page and liking the page and sharing the posts is one of the most
00:54:36.000 effective ways to go viral on this and to let people in debt know that there's a fix here,
00:54:42.400 which is as simple as checking the box on election day in November. You can come out,
00:54:47.980 vote, get your friends out to vote, have them get their friends out to vote with the knowledge
00:54:52.600 that you actually have the potential to win this election and not only achieve the cancellation of
00:54:58.620 debt, the president can ensure that we do for the students what we did for the bankers. So this is
00:55:03.940 actually achievable, as well as the rest of the agenda of a guarantee of a living wage job,
00:55:09.220 Doing something that actually builds your community and creates a healthier planet and a peaceful world.
00:55:15.360 You know, you can have the satisfaction of a real job for the common good here that's also good for your health and good for your local economy.
00:55:25.760 You can basically abolish these wars for oil by coming out to vote.
00:55:29.760 And young people, millennials, not only have the vision, they actually have the power.
00:55:33.740 So this is a breathtaking moment where we can turn the breaking point that we face into the tipping point that we need to take back our future.
00:55:43.820 Even if we don't get 43 million out, we still win the day because then the other powers see that they have to bite the bullet on this, that there is a mobilized movement to end student debt.
00:55:56.720 So there are many ways that we can push this movement forward. And history has delivered a transformational moment to us. And we have the power really to change the course of history, to take it in our hands. We have the opportunity. Maybe we have the destiny of this moment to be the transformational agents that we have to be, that this generation has to be in order for us to reclaim our future.
00:56:22.140 So I would say, you know, in the words of Alice Walker, the biggest way people give up power is by not knowing we have it to start with.
00:56:29.560 We have the power. We have the numbers. We have the vision.
00:56:33.120 All we need is the courage of our convictions and to reject this myth of powerlessness perpetrated by the lesser evil.
00:56:42.000 To reject that lesser evil, stand up and fight for the greater good, and we will have it in our hands.
00:56:48.700 Well, thank you, Dr. Jill Stein, for being with us and flooding our hearts and our minds
00:56:55.320 and our hands with courage and the will to take on this epic challenge ahead.
00:57:01.260 We stand with you.
00:57:02.940 Thank you so much.
00:57:04.040 Join me at my website, jill2016.com, and we're going to have a glorious future together
00:57:09.660 and be unstoppable.
00:57:11.100 Thank you.
00:57:18.260 Thank you for listening to this edition of Unlearn and Rewild.
00:57:27.740 I'm Ayanna Young.
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