For The Wild - April 21, 2021


JORDAN MARIE BRINGS THREE WHITE HORSES DANIEL on Running in Prayer ⧸231

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00:00:42.100 Hello and welcome to For the Wild podcast.
00:00:45.820 I'm Ayanna Young.
00:00:47.500 Today I'm speaking to Jordan Marie Brings Three White Horses, Daniel.
00:00:53.700 Once we can heal ourselves and move forward, we can then, you know, create a new generation, the next generations of our relatives moving forward into the future who can, you know, be free from this trauma and this pain and this heartache that exists.
00:01:10.680 Jordan Marie brings Three White Horses Daniel, is a citizen of Kulwi Chasha Oyate, Lower Brule Sioux Tribe, as well as a passionate and devoted advocate nationally known for her grassroots organization for anti-pipelines, climate justice efforts, Change the Name, Not Your Mascot, MMIWG2S, and MMIP, and Native Youth Initiatives.
00:01:39.980 Jordan is the founder and organizer of Rising Hearts, an Indigenous-led grassroots group
00:01:45.720 designed to elevate awareness of Indigenous issues and the intersectionality of all movements
00:01:51.400 impacting Brown, Black, and Indigenous communities.
00:01:54.880 Currently, she is using her running platform to help raise awareness of missing and murdered
00:02:00.000 Indigenous relatives by dedicating the miles she runs to a missing or murdered Indigenous person.
00:02:06.220 well jordan thank you so much for joining me today as we were chatting earlier this is a real honor
00:02:15.620 and i've definitely been a fangirl for a while so this is just such a beautiful way to spend this
00:02:23.260 rainy day with a roaring fire being able to spend some time together so thanks for joining us
00:02:30.880 Lila Palamayaye, thank you so much for having me.
00:02:34.680 So, yeah, I hope our listeners are familiar with missing and murdered Indigenous women, 1.00
00:02:42.080 girls, and two-spirit.
00:02:44.000 But in case some are not, I want to ground our conversation in the reality of what has
00:02:49.220 taken place across settler colonial states like the United States, Canada, and Australia.
00:02:54.360 One of the most commonly shared statistics is that in 2016, the Urban Indian Health Institute found that there were nearly 6,000 reported MMIW, yet only 116 made it into the Department of Justice database.
00:03:12.540 Additionally, indigenous women and girls are murdered and sexually assaulted at rates as
00:03:17.100 high as 10 times the average in the United States, and 97% of their perpetrators are
00:03:24.040 non-native.
00:03:25.680 And I think people are much more aware of this issue today because the media has been
00:03:31.900 paying more attention, but I also want to recognize that there continue to be some serious
00:03:38.700 misrepresentations in the media when it comes to this crisis. For example, there is still
00:03:44.760 the underlying belief that this epidemic is exclusively taking place on reservations.
00:03:51.480 So can you begin by sharing where the MMIP movement currently stands,
00:03:56.980 and what are some of the main inaccuracies that need to be addressed?
00:04:00.800 yes this is an issue an international crisis and an epidemic that is you know really impacting all
00:04:10.520 indigenous communities and I want to say that one I am not an expert I am just an advocate
00:04:15.580 doing what I can to help uplift the advocates the families the people doing this hard work
00:04:21.600 to end this injustice and I'm really honored to have a platform to help do that and help
00:04:27.020 you know, be part of those steps in hopefully eliminating this crisis entirely. But first,
00:04:33.760 I want to say that, you know, this movement of missing and murdered Indigenous women,
00:04:37.760 as I learned from Anita Lucchesi of Sovereign Bodies Institute from a webinar that I listened
00:04:43.100 to a little over a year ago, was that, you know, this movement was founded by our First Nations
00:04:47.780 relatives and really began in Canada because of the high rates of their relatives being taken.
00:04:53.520 And also, we know the Highway of Tears that has given such visibility to this issue of, you know, their relatives being taken when they were hitchhiking or trying to walk to their next community, and that this has been devastating the families and has led to this injustice when it comes to law enforcement, when it comes to the federal government in terms of what does accountability look like?
00:05:18.200 what does justice look like and you know showing the inequities and the problems that exist within
00:05:24.380 these systems that are not supporting our indigenous relatives and so this began you know
00:05:30.000 a few decades ago and and I'm happy to see that this movement has been growing and expanding but
00:05:36.120 also it's been really heartbreaking to see how it has been devastating so many of our communities
00:05:41.340 and as and something that I always say too is this either directly impacts us by us losing a
00:05:47.900 loved one. I have a cousin, Brittany Tiger, who was murdered. And we have, you know, countless
00:05:54.400 more across our families. But this is something that either directly impacts us or indirectly
00:06:00.200 impacts us because we know someone who's lost a loved one who's still searching for their loved
00:06:05.540 one and still fighting for justice for their loved one. Or we know someone who knows someone
00:06:10.260 and we see the missing flyers being shared across social media. And it's just really
00:06:15.860 heartbreaking to see that almost every single day. And so this movement began with our First
00:06:21.320 Nations relatives and has been growing and expanding and bringing in more people, calling
00:06:25.660 more people in to help support this movement, to support the families, to bring in funds to help
00:06:32.140 support these efforts. And now we're seeing it grow in the United States and, you know, without
00:06:38.360 the efforts of, you know, Sovereign Bodies Institute, Urban Indian Health Institute, National
00:06:42.680 Indigenous Women's Resource Center, Alaska Native Women's Resource Center, and countless more
00:06:46.740 coalitions and groups, they're all dedicated and focused to giving visibility to this issue,
00:06:52.120 to ending gender-based violence in our communities, and to have these discussions not solely be
00:06:58.260 focused on reservations, but this is happening in rural and urban communities too. So that's
00:07:03.320 something that I want to say is that this isn't just, you know, an isolated incidence on the
00:07:07.440 reservation these are incidents and realities that are happening everywhere in every city
00:07:13.080 in every town in every county in every state and you know it's sadly happening across the
00:07:18.880 world in different countries well thank you for that introduction and addressing some of those
00:07:28.400 questions and for over a year you've been using your platform as an athlete to raise awareness
00:07:35.600 for MMIP by taking the time to learn the names and stories of individual missing Indigenous
00:07:42.000 relatives and saying a prayer for each one with every mile you run, combining marathon running
00:07:48.500 and prayer. And I've talked about the financial connections to this epidemic and the role of
00:07:54.660 policy and data collection and addressing it on the podcast before, but I'd really like to ask
00:08:00.440 you to speak about running as prayer and the power of prayer when it comes to MMIP.
00:08:06.800 How does the act of running, which in the context of marathons might seem like a very
00:08:11.960 individualistic and competitive act, actually serve as a way to move energy in solidarity
00:08:18.280 with those who are missing?
00:08:20.720 Yeah, I'm a fourth generation runner.
00:08:23.060 So running has been my life and it's in my blood and it's in my family.
00:08:28.120 It's tradition.
00:08:28.860 It's a way of healing.
00:08:30.440 It's a way of growing and learning, but it's also, you know, all that I know how to do.
00:08:36.040 And it's something that I love so much.
00:08:38.660 And, you know, it just got to a point where, as I've been on this journey of learning more
00:08:43.380 about this epidemic, learning, first learning about it back in 2014, really, when there
00:08:49.180 were names that I could put to this injustice at a reject and protect Keystone XL pipeline
00:08:56.000 protest in March happening in DC, that's when I started learning about the man camps.
00:08:59.960 and the pipelines and the violence, the high rates of violence that are happening from these man
00:09:05.920 camps on indigenous communities in Canada, in the United States and other places around the world
00:09:11.580 that are being impacted by dirty infrastructure projects. And so that's really what began my
00:09:17.600 journey of trying to learn more about this issue and then started connecting the dots as I had
00:09:22.000 seen it throughout my life of all the funerals that I've attended and learning more details about
00:09:28.640 those funerals and what happened to them because I was younger and, and, um, you know, just an
00:09:34.140 innocent kid, you know, your family wants to protect you from those details. So I just started
00:09:38.480 asking more questions and started seeing that this isn't just a new movement or an issue that
00:09:44.760 this has been happening since forever, since 1492, since colonization. And, you know, it just
00:09:52.000 got to the point where, as I've been learning and trying to sign up for all the webinars that I can
00:09:57.020 trying to donate or share or retweet or talk about these these issues these stories their names you
00:10:04.000 know in the spotlight on social media it got to a point where it just felt like no one outside of
00:10:10.400 our indigenous communities cared that it felt like indigenous people are expendable and that we are
00:10:15.300 nothing and that we are invisible and it just got to a point where it's just frustrating and after
00:10:21.820 having organized panel sessions featuring experts and families for the communities to learn from
00:10:29.860 and to be able to support or speaking on podcasts about this or dedicating my bib numbers to the
00:10:37.960 hashtag MMIW or MMIWG, Missing and Murder, Indigenous Women and Girls, it just felt so
00:10:45.040 frustrating that I almost gave up on trying to keep advocating because it felt like no one cared
00:10:51.260 about us and it only felt like indigenous peoples are the only ones talking about this and it was
00:10:56.760 heartbreaking to see this injustice and heartache happening every single day and when the Boston
00:11:03.320 Marathon came last year in 2019 I was at a point of you know what I give up on trying to like
00:11:10.160 keep showing this and talking about this I'm going to do something different and that's where I
00:11:17.320 decided to run in prayer because I had run in prayer runs before and been part of prayer vigils
00:11:23.340 and helped organize those and seeing other groups organizing prayer runs for like Bears Ears and
00:11:29.700 Protect Oak Flat. I just really felt that that was good medicine and a good way to be able to honor
00:11:36.820 either the lands or the people in that context. And so I wanted this prayer run to be only about
00:11:44.600 them that even though it was a dream of mine to be at the Boston Marathon and to run that course
00:11:49.220 and be part of that energy and atmosphere, which I've always wanted to have, this is more important
00:11:55.420 in being intentional and creating this space to find their names, have a list, carry their names
00:12:02.280 and those prayers with me and to verbally say it out loud, their name and the prayers and prayers
00:12:09.420 for their families to hope for justice and healing and prayers for our communities so that we don't
00:12:14.360 have targets on our backs anymore so that I don't have to keep asking the question my next is my mom
00:12:19.100 next are my cousins next is someone that I love dearly going to be next that this constant fear
00:12:24.820 that kind of looms over many of us especially me as I'm learning more you know reading the
00:12:30.360 statistics and the data it's really scary and so I wanted this program to be solely for them
00:12:36.720 to be able to honor them to be able to you know say their names and let them know that I am you
00:12:43.560 know among so many that care and that are trying to do something and have not forgotten them and
00:12:51.220 it's it's just it was the best way that I could use my running as you know running intersecting
00:12:57.940 with advocacy the two things that I have based my life on and now being able to intersect and do
00:13:04.400 them at the same time was just kind of like a light bulb moment and couldn't believe that I
00:13:09.520 hadn't you know thought of this before especially bringing it into a competitive platform where I
00:13:15.280 tried to keep running as solely just for me because I still have my running ambitions and goals and
00:13:20.200 still would like to make the Olympic trials and the marathon and I think those goals are still
00:13:25.620 just as attainable even when with running with a new purpose. That was beautiful and you write quote
00:13:34.280 the handprint represents the silenced voices taken from our communities from violence.
00:13:40.840 It weighs heavy. Over time, this has led to anxiety attacks, depression, and nightmares.
00:13:47.580 Finding their names and their stories was sad, and I didn't sleep great. I'm learning how to
00:13:52.640 continue this in a healthy way, emotionally, physically, end quote. And I can imagine
00:14:01.860 that there's just so much emotional labor
00:14:04.940 that goes into this work.
00:14:06.960 But I think to learn individual stories
00:14:09.860 and carry their names with you
00:14:11.420 as you physically move
00:14:12.920 to dedicate your presence as a reminder
00:14:16.000 must open collective wounds that are so deep.
00:14:19.340 And by denying this epidemic or erasing it, 0.72
00:14:23.580 we've made it so that indigenous women 1.00
00:14:25.380 not only have to work to bring relatives home, 0.64
00:14:28.000 but they themselves also suffer from the very work of it. So my question is around
00:14:34.240 responsibility and accountability. One, how do you hold yourself accountable for protecting
00:14:40.980 and caring for yourself? And two, whose responsibility is it to shoulder the burden
00:14:47.380 of this information? That first question is something I'm still figuring out and
00:14:52.760 And I'm not really good at it. I spread myself thin and I give more than 100% to everything that I do. And so being able to take care of myself has been really hard because this is something I care so much about.
00:15:07.580 And one thing that I did to take accountability and to begin this path of healing and understanding
00:15:14.860 and figuring out how I can move forward and run forward in a good way to be able to keep
00:15:19.660 doing this, you know, was going to therapy and finding an indigenous therapist, someone
00:15:25.320 who comes from my community, someone who looks like me, someone who understands colonization
00:15:31.620 and this epidemic and so many other issues that are happening just made me feel so much more
00:15:38.060 comfortable and you know feeling like I could actually really confide in someone that gets it
00:15:43.340 and so we have been talking about these prayer runs and finding out one that I'm an empath and
00:15:51.560 something that I carry on these emotions and take on these emotions and how heavy these stories are
00:15:57.460 sometimes seeing the comments coming from the families of especially when they've been you know
00:16:02.860 fighting for decades um to find the answers and hold law enforcement and the government accountable
00:16:09.220 and doing their job is just something that i i took on and carried with me and i just want to
00:16:17.720 do so much and for me it just felt like i had to keep running and so by the end of 2019 you know
00:16:24.680 I experienced injuries for the first time ever, like in my entire running career, because
00:16:29.020 I was basically running myself into the ground. And, but at the same time, the only time I felt
00:16:36.040 like I was able to be happy and feel a sense of purpose was running. But at the same time,
00:16:43.260 it was like a double edged sword. So I just was experiencing a lot of these mental health
00:16:48.320 issues and, you know, working with my therapist and setting boundaries for myself. I took two
00:16:55.240 months off from running completely and took it day by day and was literally like asking myself
00:17:00.620 every day, are you ready to run today? Nope. Okay. And I just had to get to that moment where
00:17:05.960 mentally I was ready and emotionally ready and spiritually ready to go for a run again.
00:17:12.020 And so now I feel like I have a new plan of how I can do these programs and help give visibility to this issue and to help uplift the voices for the voiceless and the advocates doing this work in a better way, while also being mindful of those boundaries that I've set, which means maybe, you know, taking the notifications off my phone or, you know, muting the notifications of some of the MMIW groups that I am part of.
00:17:39.380 Not that I'm not going to see that information, but not being inundated with an update popping up on my phone or in the message chats or anything like that.
00:17:49.060 And so it's me having to be proactive to go into those spaces to get an update of what's going on, what's happening, what's the latest policy update, you know, who's this missing flyer for and where are they, you know, how can I help, what can I share?
00:18:05.600 So it's setting those boundaries and it's a slow growing healing process for me and
00:18:10.700 healing is not linear, but I feel like I'm finally moving forward in a better way, especially
00:18:16.480 a year from now to this like very day, I was not in a good place.
00:18:20.520 And so I'm really happy with this progress.
00:18:22.440 For the second question, in terms of who needs to be held accountable and who could be helping,
00:18:29.080 it's law enforcement.
00:18:30.100 It's the federal government and, you know, they have a federal trust responsibility to be supporting indigenous communities. And, you know, we have to start dismantling and, you know, breaking those barriers of institutionalized racism that exists, especially with the law enforcement and in the government.
00:18:51.520 You know, some of these issues that we're seeing of why these cases have potentially maybe gone cold is due to the racism that exists in law enforcement and the families, you know, doing all that they can to try and demand help and get help, especially in those first critical hours of when a loved one is missing.
00:19:11.380 And sometimes a lot of our relatives and community members are met with that racism and that hostility and that prejudice and those stereotypes, those already created narratives of who indigenous people are, and they choose to not help us.
00:19:28.400 And so it's the families, it's the advocates that are on those front lines, organizing the search parties, doing whatever they can in those first few days, in those critical hours, when law enforcement should be there from moment one, from the moment that the families contact them.
00:19:44.860 And it's the funding that should be allocated to Indigenous communities in the programs, the domestic violence and sexual assault programs, the safe housing shelters, all of these programs should be funded continuously.
00:20:00.500 And, you know, with the Violence Against Women Act, in the last year, it's been really disappointing to see that being used as kind of like a political football in terms of the budget, when it's about really the safety of women.
00:20:11.660 and that should not be compromised or negotiated
00:20:15.960 or diminished in any sort of capacity.
00:20:19.480 And that should always be permanent
00:20:22.100 rather than reauthorized every X amount of years 0.87
00:20:24.840 because we need to protect our women.
00:20:26.920 We need to protect all women in all of our communities
00:20:29.280 from this violence that is happening.
00:20:31.500 And so not only do we need help
00:20:33.480 from the law enforcement side,
00:20:35.380 we also need help federally from our government
00:20:37.980 and to actually listen to us, to see us,
00:20:40.460 to involve the families and the advocates on these task forces that have been created
00:20:46.060 or programs that are created because they know what is happening.
00:20:51.040 They know, you know, what is needed.
00:20:53.640 And we can't fill those roles with people who have no connections to the MMIW, 0.99
00:21:00.600 MMMR, Missing and Murder Indigenous Relatives Community.
00:21:03.780 We need those voices in those spaces and at those tables.
00:21:06.580 So I would hope to see in the future more accountability in terms of that of including our community members that have been part of this work for so long to be part of those discussions.
00:21:17.300 Yeah, that makes so much sense. And in a piece titled Jordan Daniels Unrelenting Race for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, author Sierra Mondragon brings up the term survivance in context to your work.
00:21:34.720 And Gerald Viznor writes, quote,
00:21:38.460 survivance is an active sense of presence, the continuance of Native stories, not a mere reaction or a survivable name.
00:21:49.800 Native survivance stories are reunifications of dominance, tragedy, and victimry, end quote.
00:21:58.240 But you point out that healing also needs to be an active part of survivance.
00:22:04.420 So can you talk about the importance of healing while simultaneously working to build a future where Indigenous lives are protected from violence?
00:22:14.280 Yeah, I think we need to recognize that we have a lot of trauma in our communities that has been very present and ingrained in our DNA since colonization, since contact.
00:22:26.000 and everything that has happened since the genocide, the violence, the wars, the disease,
00:22:31.840 the boarding schools, residential schools, and everything that's part of it. We have relatives
00:22:37.840 today, including my grandfather who passed away, but was in a boarding school. We have relatives
00:22:42.820 today that still can't even speak to what they witnessed and to what they experienced during
00:22:49.100 those times and this trauma generational trauma is passed down and it has these wounds and I think
00:22:56.880 now especially for me as I've been learning more about these new words and terms and things to
00:23:02.560 label that I've always been wondering or what this means or what is this you know it's it's shed
00:23:09.240 light on the collective healing that we all need to do that we've experienced or have seen within
00:23:17.520 our families and to be able to, you know, once we can heal ourselves and understand,
00:23:24.080 you know, our lived experiences and what we've gone through and understand our relatives and
00:23:30.960 what they went through and our ancestors, even more than just knowing that it was genocide or
00:23:37.280 it was a war or it was just boarding school. Once we can heal ourselves and move forward, we can
00:23:42.480 then you know create a new generation the next generations of our relatives moving forward into
00:23:49.880 the future who can you know be free from this trauma and this pain and this heartache that
00:23:56.080 exists but at the same time this trauma and what we've gone through and things that we are learning
00:24:02.480 from our families and communities it's also what motivates us to be dedicated and devoted to that
00:24:08.560 heart work that motivates us every single day for a better future, to want better for
00:24:15.180 our next generations, to want to see a future free of violence where we do not have this
00:24:21.540 epidemic existing anymore, where we are not grieving for our friends and families, whether
00:24:28.420 you're Indigenous or not.
00:24:29.540 This is something I've seen also with our Black brothers and sisters.
00:24:32.500 We all have this similar trauma that has been rooted in colonization and in systems of
00:24:37.800 oppression and racism and white supremacy that have impacted our lives and we can get a better
00:24:43.620 understanding of that and find the root of it and recognize where it came from and how it came there
00:24:49.920 we can then move forward in a more better way
00:25:07.800 You can't be all eyes and all ears I can't be all hope and all fear
00:25:23.000 Way to the now, way to the now, way to the now
00:25:29.380 You can't be whole
00:25:35.020 Safe and all dread
00:25:38.640 I can't be whole
00:25:42.800 Give and all get
00:25:46.560 We should know
00:25:48.580 We should know
00:25:50.420 The I will see you again in a good way
00:25:54.100 progress report on MMIWG2S
00:25:57.960 people in northern california talks about the tremendous ripple effects of missing relatives
00:26:04.480 including the crippling economic tolls that incur if there has been a murder it's the cost of
00:26:11.100 funerals embalming and cremation if there is an actively missing person the cost of ground
00:26:17.760 searches and awareness campaigns capitalism punishes so many during periods of loss and
00:26:25.100 mourning, especially indigenous black and brown communities. So can you speak to the burden of
00:26:31.220 cost and some ways that communities can mitigate this? You know, I see this as a very community
00:26:40.560 grassroots effort. And that's what it is. That's what I love to see. But also, that just creates
00:26:45.460 that extra burden and that responsibility for those families, you know, needing to do what they
00:26:51.600 can to be able to you know lay their relative to rest or to be able to continue searching for them
00:26:57.600 um i love seeing when these campaigns are started by friends and you know friends of the family
00:27:04.160 or organizations to help you know mitigate those costs to help um you know eliminate some of that
00:27:11.440 responsibility and that heartache um and i think it's really beautiful and something that i hope
00:27:17.200 that continues or if there can be a special fund that's created federally and a government program
00:27:23.200 that could help do that would be so incredible to see but you know with my relative Brittany
00:27:29.220 Tiger you know her mom is still you know going to court dates and in still creating you know
00:27:37.540 vigils and t-shirts just to try and keep Brittany's memory there and to keep her physical and to keep
00:27:44.320 calling and demanding justice and she is among so many thousands of families that are doing this
00:27:50.420 and all and all trying to do creative ways to try and give visibility not only just to their
00:27:55.920 relative but they're also trying to give visibility to this movement and to this epidemic
00:27:59.800 and I think when we when this awareness keeps growing we've been seeing more people coming in
00:28:08.680 more people asking how can we help or where can we donate what can we do i think is just really
00:28:14.760 beautiful and i something that i really appreciate seeing and so i think when we can all come together
00:28:20.120 as communities to support a family so we can hopefully eliminate some of that responsibility
00:28:25.400 so that they can grieve in their own way or that they can heal in their own way without having to
00:28:31.400 worry about a GoFundMe or, you know, the costs of, you know, a funeral or search parties or
00:28:39.180 flyers or anything, whereas if you need to support them, you know, I think that's the best way,
00:28:44.420 especially to support the family. But this is something that is really heartbreaking to see
00:28:50.120 all the time is, especially more recently, as I've been seeing on social media with more relatives
00:28:54.720 gone missing but luckily they've been found um safe but it was the emergency response of
00:29:01.400 you know we're launching this campaign or we're trying to raise funds to get the family to go
00:29:05.480 to go visit that city and go find their loved one um and yes they had the best outcomes possible
00:29:11.920 they found them and they're safe um but you know it's those those emergency response actions that
00:29:17.420 need the support right away um and it's trying to for me at least you know using my platform
00:29:23.660 and those that support me,
00:29:25.400 and I hate using the word followers,
00:29:26.800 I call them supporters,
00:29:28.540 those that support me,
00:29:30.160 you know, I want to share these campaigns
00:29:32.280 and hopefully, you know,
00:29:33.980 help support those emergency response actions
00:29:36.420 in finding their loved ones and their friends.
00:29:39.180 Because sadly, this is happening during a pandemic.
00:29:42.420 It hasn't stopped.
00:29:44.560 This epidemic is a public health issue.
00:29:46.880 This is happening not just in indigenous communities,
00:29:49.240 but it's happening in our black and brown communities,
00:29:51.060 our Muslim communities.
00:29:51.820 this is happening you know across the board and this is something that that needs visibility and
00:29:59.100 needs to be addressed and we need to you know call people in to understand the history of this
00:30:05.300 violence and what it's rooted in and the systems that perpetuate this violence and the words or
00:30:11.460 the narratives out there or the stereotypes out there that help perpetuate and normalize this
00:30:17.440 violence in our communities I think is needed and it's happening and the unlearning process is
00:30:23.600 happening and the relearning from us is happening which is so great and it's building community and
00:30:30.040 so that's also the part of the work that I'm really dedicated to is building community and
00:30:34.380 making sure that those outside of indigenous communities can understand what is happening
00:30:39.300 especially you know not only the heartbreaking stuff the adversity the the issues that we
00:30:44.700 have in our communities, but also being there to celebrate the amazing things in our communities,
00:30:49.440 because that's also the other aspect of we are resilient and we are so beautiful
00:30:53.000 and strong and we keep moving forward and we keep up with the hard work that's happening.
00:30:58.040 And that's also the other stuff that I like to amplify too, is just all of the good work
00:31:02.280 that is happening. Yeah, that's so important as well. And in the past, when communities bring up
00:31:11.880 mmip or perhaps more broadly when it's discovered that local law enforcements have been sitting on
00:31:19.620 backlogs of rape kits for example it's resolved by increasing funding for police departments
00:31:26.440 under the guise of providing better training or hiring more people to increase the capacity to
00:31:33.520 address these issues and this is so frustrating because if this past year has shown us anything
00:31:41.240 it's that public outcry does not make law enforcement more sympathetic to the communities
00:31:46.860 they actively target in fact it actually just causes them to retaliate more so i'd like to
00:31:54.000 ask you how mmip should be addressed in a way that doesn't rely on the cops but instead builds
00:32:01.780 networks of care what does pursuing justice for mmip mean within networks of care i think it's
00:32:10.180 about you know one providing this content this these issues the statistics and the data I think
00:32:17.860 being led by indigenous researchers and advocates supporting the families I know there's those
00:32:24.560 phrases in terms of decolonizing the data decolonizing research and I know Sovereign
00:32:29.340 Bodies Institute and Urban Indian Health Institute are both doing that and I think that's incredibly
00:32:34.520 important and they look at the bigger picture of not just you know talking about what is happening
00:32:41.160 with law enforcement and the lack of funding that they get or the lack of training or how their
00:32:46.680 systems when they're filling out a police report of a missing person or one of these cases if they
00:32:53.160 don't check the accurate box native american american indian alaska native or however it may
00:32:58.320 be it'll default to caucasian and that's how a lot of our relatives also go missing in the data
00:33:04.340 And Anita puts it perfectly.
00:33:06.060 Our relatives go missing three times in life.
00:33:08.280 They go missing in the data, in life, and in the media.
00:33:11.400 And so I think those three right there, those tiers are the actions that we need to get
00:33:19.200 in terms of building a community, building awareness through the media, making sure that
00:33:23.920 this is visible and that this is seen, and not just the cases that sometimes do make
00:33:31.580 it nationally, internationally, but we need to make sure that this is visible across the
00:33:37.180 board and that all families are getting the support that they need in terms of visibility
00:33:40.920 and the support that's coming in.
00:33:42.300 We also need to make sure that this is addressing data, the statistics that they're accurately
00:33:47.520 being reflected and that they can work with indigenous researchers and statisticians or
00:33:54.240 however they're called and working with these institutions to make sure that this data is
00:34:00.400 accurately reflected. And so that's a lot of the work that Southern Bodies is doing is they're
00:34:04.140 working with law enforcement programs to help correct these reports to make sure that these
00:34:11.140 relatives are being accurately reflected and depicted and so that they are not going invisible
00:34:16.280 and being lost in this data. And then, you know, creating community in terms of having the
00:34:23.440 community be part of those search and rescue missions or being part of the fundraising
00:34:29.320 campaigns, because it is grassroots moved, it's grassroots led. And so I think change always
00:34:36.520 happens from the bottom up when the people realize we have the collective power to impact and call
00:34:41.480 for change, that law enforcements and other systems and levels of government will have to
00:34:47.300 listen to us, especially when we all come together. And so when we can bring the people together and
00:34:52.580 talk about this issue, have them understand it, hopefully, you know, eliminate those stereotypes
00:34:57.800 and the prejudice and some of the narratives out there
00:35:00.060 and have them get a better understanding
00:35:01.920 into the scope of this issue
00:35:03.340 and listening to the families and the advocates,
00:35:06.160 then we can collectively come together
00:35:08.460 and say, this is what we want.
00:35:10.980 This is what we need.
00:35:11.980 This is what we deserve
00:35:13.120 in terms of who we elect locally
00:35:16.120 to the congressional level
00:35:18.640 or who we elect into the sheriff's department
00:35:22.520 as the sheriff
00:35:23.440 or who we are working with
00:35:27.000 in terms of law enforcement and the government.
00:35:28.900 And so I think when we can get the community informed
00:35:34.300 and to be more attentive to this issue
00:35:38.260 and realize that this is happening every day,
00:35:42.080 this isn't, it doesn't take a pause,
00:35:44.020 it doesn't take a break.
00:35:45.540 This is continuously happening
00:35:47.280 and bringing these conversations,
00:35:49.820 not only just within the MMIW movement,
00:35:52.080 but also bringing it into the Me Too movement.
00:35:54.940 And something that I started talking about when I first moved to Tongva lands to Los Angeles, California, I was speaking on Me Too platforms and rallies. And I really appreciated other indigenous sisters talking about MMIW in that space. And it made me realize, no, this is all of our missing relatives, their Me Too moment too.
00:36:15.400 and that also we need to take it back a couple hundred years even further that you know Pocahontas
00:36:24.020 was our first Me Too she is our first MMIW that we can think of and that we need to help reframe
00:36:31.380 her story and not have it be romanticized or over hyper sexualized to fit a Disney format
00:36:38.940 or narrative that's out there we need to actually talk about her story for the facts and what it
00:36:43.500 was and what happened to her. And so I've seen that conversation grow and expand in different
00:36:49.640 conversations with so many different people and communities, having a better understanding of
00:36:54.680 what it's like in our indigenous communities of what we have to go through and what we have to
00:36:58.980 advocate for and why we advocate. And so I think when we come together as a community and that are
00:37:06.360 more informed, we can then, you know, push and call for the things that we need, that we deserve
00:37:11.700 to hopefully eliminate this epidemic yeah and for listeners who are interested in exploring
00:37:17.880 these ideas deeper I really encourage you all to look at the incredibly comprehensive
00:37:24.100 MMIWG2 and MMIP organizing toolkit that Jordan has shared with us so we will link to that on
00:37:33.200 the website and through social media I'd now like to transition our conversation
00:37:39.300 to discuss Indigenous visibility and invisibility in the media,
00:37:44.740 beginning with the reality that MMIP activists have long been calling out
00:37:49.660 how dominant media's coverage of this epidemic causes additional harm,
00:37:54.060 as many stories are not portrayed truthfully or heavily rely on violent language
00:38:00.120 so that people don't really think to look into these cases
00:38:03.240 or follow up with them because it's inevitably implied.
00:38:06.920 So specifically, I've been thinking about how we rarely hear about the stories of MMIP being found and returning to their homes.
00:38:16.660 So can you speak to this and how this also really highlights the intersection between Indigenous and Black communities and Black Indigenous folks in terms of how they're actively erased and dehumanized in our media?
00:38:31.560 Yeah, we are constantly always fighting our own erasure from so many different levels and platforms out there. But when it comes to the media, something that I always advocate for and demand, especially when I'm having the opportunities to speak with media, and especially if they're publications or articles or anything like that, like, I demand to see the edits and to see the final review.
00:38:58.220 And sometimes I get met with a little bit of hostility and pushback and them saying that's not allowed, that you should just trust us and what we're writing.
00:39:06.040 Because time and time and again, after seeing so many other relatives and just other voices across so many different movements of what they're advocating for, have seen them tokenized or have seen them basically kind of harmed where they were approached to get their insight and their point of view.
00:39:23.500 But then the way the article was written made them look like the antagonist or, you know, someone that was, I don't know, like evil or something in terms of what they were fighting for and labeling them as fighting against something.
00:39:39.440 And so when it comes to just words, even simple words being used in these publications and media can do a lot of damage on who we are, what we advocate for, potentially harm and hurt, the movements that we are trying to give visibility to, I think the media needs to come to these conversations and approach the families and approach the advocates or anyone across our movements need to approach us really carefully.
00:40:06.280 They need to understand that there is trauma present, that these issues are incredibly hard to talk about. And we do not need to be tokenized. We do not need to have, you know, our loved ones or their loved ones being misrepresented.
00:40:21.380 because as we have seen in some in some cases you know these writers or reporters tend to focus on
00:40:28.600 maybe some of the potentially bad things they did when they were younger that had nothing to do with
00:40:33.740 them being an adult and them gone missing or being murdered and how they they show us or represent us
00:40:41.300 or picking the worst photos possible that make them look bad instead of picking the beautiful
00:40:48.780 photos of who they are, who they were. And this is happening, been happening time and time and
00:40:54.060 again, you know, especially these last several months with the death of George Floyd, the murder
00:40:58.340 of George Floyd, the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, and Breonna Taylor, and so many more, you know,
00:41:04.620 that have been in the media, I think we need to also call attention to the media and hold them
00:41:09.680 accountable, and make sure that they're doing their job the right way, the best way in the most
00:41:14.760 supportive and visible way you know they need to hear us they need to listen to my or their
00:41:24.060 lived experiences of what is happening and they need to also have us be part of the editing
00:41:30.060 process that's that's always what i talk about and what i always try to um speak to when i'm
00:41:36.020 talking with them because this happens so much and it can either set us back in terms of what
00:41:43.360 we're fighting for and trying to give visibility to and bringing community in to support us
00:41:47.520 especially with how they may frame it or you know summarize the issue and it could potentially put
00:41:54.380 communities against us thinking that this is our problem or because we are who we are you know we
00:42:00.440 were asking for it or you know we deserved it and that's not the type of thinking we want out there
00:42:05.400 or the kind of behavior we want we need the support we need the visibility and we need a
00:42:12.780 platform that can be there to support these stories, to support the families, and to have
00:42:18.780 updates of what is happening. We need follow-up. We need to know if they've been found safe or if
00:42:25.580 the case is still going, what is happening in those cases. We need the media and the reporters
00:42:30.900 and the writers to be committed to these stories because these aren't just stories for publication
00:42:35.860 and for likes or clickbait. These are stories of actual people and their lives and their family
00:42:41.960 and the devastating impacts that it has had on them
00:42:44.900 and the communities and potentially for our next generations.
00:42:48.720 And so that's something that I'm really passionate about
00:42:52.300 in terms of media and the kind of visibility
00:42:56.360 that they do for these stories and for the families.
00:43:11.960 We'll be right back.
00:43:41.960 Well, looking back, I think for many of us, the conversation on MMIP leads us to really
00:44:08.800 ask why. Why is this still an issue and what will it take to resolve it? But the reality is that
00:44:16.660 there is no single solution because this is a symptom of a very sick settler society that seeks 0.92
00:44:23.860 to take whatever it can to fulfill its own greed and predatory nature. In the MMIWG2 and MMIP 0.98
00:44:31.800 organizing toolkit, Tia Oros Peters writes, quote, the indigenous paradigm of respect,
00:44:39.060 reciprocity, responsibility, and relationship to others and to the earth, and for others and for
00:44:45.880 the earth, encompasses more than maintaining the integrity of our own lives. It includes the air,
00:44:52.560 plants, water, and animals as much as our ancestors and those yet to be born. This framework
00:45:00.160 for assuring a restored world in which all life is nurtured, flourishes and participates in its
00:45:06.820 respective place within the cycle, lays an unwavering foundation for sustainable livelihoods
00:45:13.260 and a balanced world order, and is a harmony-based holistic paradigm. It is completely distinct from
00:45:20.360 Western or mainstream settler thought. In its very collectivist nature, it is relationship-based.
00:45:26.580 It's about sharing and achieving balance. It differs significantly from the individual-oriented, acquisition-based, oppositional nature of Eurocentric thinking and being, a paradigm of taking, end quote.
00:45:42.400 and so i wonder if you can speak to this as a call to both dismantle white supremacy
00:45:50.260 and human supremacy but also a call to rebuild a new future and to use this epidemic that
00:45:57.800 continues to occur to pray into the protection of indigenous black and brown folks in both tangible
00:46:04.500 and intangible ways? Yeah, I think when it's a beautiful club idea, I think something that
00:46:13.820 always comes to my mind when speaking about this injustice and this issue is we need to recognize
00:46:20.760 this troubling cycle of violence happening, not just against our women, but against our earth
00:46:28.000 and listening to other aunties and sisters that are in this movement. And especially when they're
00:46:33.440 advocating for MMIW in the climate justice conversation, that we need to repair our
00:46:41.720 relationship and how we treat Unchi Maka, grandmother earth, that the violence that
00:46:47.420 has been happening on her is directly correlated with the violence happening on our women. And
00:46:52.100 when we can repair that relationship and stop harming her, that we will stop harming our women
00:46:58.820 in our community. And so I think that just goes across so many platforms and different ways of
00:47:04.420 what that looks like and decolonizing our life and our systems and what things can we do to
00:47:11.020 step back and to, you know, have a better view and perspective of how we are all connected to
00:47:19.740 each other, even just outside of indigenous communities that metakulia, yasin, look what
00:47:24.900 the translation is we are all related and for me as I was raised and growing up you know I
00:47:29.840 I was raised as you know not only fight and do what you need for your people but also for all
00:47:37.060 people and that is something that we need to recognize and we need to understand this really
00:47:45.240 toxic cycle of violence happening and when we can stop that hopefully we can stop the violence
00:47:51.500 happening on our bodies. And I think we need to have people who are not coming from indigenous 1.00
00:47:58.720 black, brown communities. We need to have them understand how colonization has really impacted
00:48:08.620 our communities and our lives. And we can't treat it like cafeteria food in terms of history of
00:48:14.980 picking and choosing what we want to know and what we want to learn and how we want to view it.
00:48:19.120 We need to understand that this country was, you know, off the genocide of indigenous peoples and, you know, off the removal and stealing our black brothers and sisters from their homelands and enslaving them here and to our island relatives too.
00:48:32.840 You know, this has been happening since day one and people need to understand how colonization has the settler mentality of conquering and, you know, self-entitlement and the need for more.
00:48:50.460 And so for us, we have been harmed by that system that has been created, that has been brought here to the United States is because we are seen as, you know, not enough, that our lives are more expendable because we don't fit these colonial narratives that have created this country.
00:49:14.440 we've been harmed by this system and people need to understand that and when we can understand that
00:49:21.520 and accept that then we can start doing the work of what else can we do what can i do what can i
00:49:28.600 do within my family how can i contribute how can we be supporting these communities how can we be
00:49:35.180 supporting indigenous black brown peoples what can else what else can we do and so i think when
00:49:40.920 we can understand our history and accept it and acknowledge it and not believe what we see in the
00:49:47.880 current textbooks, which are inaccurate, that don't tell the whole picture, or getting a better
00:49:53.760 understanding of what truth-giving is rather than thanksgiving, and understanding, you know,
00:49:59.360 our Mashpee Wampanoag relatives in the fight for their own lands and their own sovereignty right
00:50:03.680 now currently happening against the administration, and so many other efforts across the board,
00:50:08.180 when we can actually understand the truth and learn from those communities and those voices
00:50:14.980 of what is happening and get a different perspective. And we can, or they can allow
00:50:20.380 themselves to feel how they feel and ask questions and kind of sit with this new knowledge of kind of
00:50:28.640 internal reflection of, oh, how have I been perpetuating this potential, you know, violence
00:50:33.500 or this potential racism, or how have I just been, you know, part of this harm? What else can I do?
00:50:39.580 How can I be a better ally? How can I be a better relative to them? And so I think that's all part
00:50:44.760 of the work that we are seeing here in 2020 right now, which is what I hope we continue seeing
00:50:49.880 every single year, every single day, the same commitment, the same, you know, devotion to
00:50:56.460 wanting better, a better future for our next generations and better for our relatives here
00:51:02.480 today who are constantly fighting and making their voices as loud as possible to be heard
00:51:08.800 and to be seen and supported yes yes well jordan this has been such a beautiful deep and potent
00:51:23.300 conversation that I have just been so present with you every moment and as we come to a close
00:51:32.920 I'd like to ask you about your organization Rising Hearts and how people can support yourself
00:51:40.120 in this work yeah Rising Hearts has been around since Standing Rock in the fight against the
00:51:46.660 Dakota Access Pipeline. And just a quick story. I never saw myself in this kind of advocate role
00:51:53.980 or a community organizer. I always wanted to be part of behind the scenes and helping to make
00:52:00.080 change happen. And it's been a dream of mine since eighth grade to move to DC and go work in policy
00:52:05.980 and like help write laws. And, you know, that happened. I moved to DC. I got to work with so
00:52:11.300 many incredible Native organizations and just found myself more connected and happier when I
00:52:17.700 was working directly with the community. So I stopped working on the Hill and stopped lobbying
00:52:23.040 and started working with an organization where I got to work with communities and help support
00:52:27.720 them in implementing their projects and from the federal funding that they were getting and just
00:52:32.020 basically got to be a cheerleader to the work that they were doing and being there as, you know,
00:52:37.240 support. And it was just incredible. And so as this is happening, you know, Standing Rock was
00:52:43.760 was happening. And, you know, hearing the calls from, you know, LaDonna Bravehold Allard and the
00:52:49.840 youth and Standing Rock talking about what was happening in those very, very early months,
00:52:54.340 you know, really sat with me of, am I doing enough and having myself ask these questions.
00:53:00.060 And then finally, someone asked me, hey, this, the Standing Rock youth are running over 2000
00:53:05.960 miles to Washington, D.C. to oppose the Dakota Access Pipeline and deliver a petition to President
00:53:11.600 Barack Obama. Do you want to organize something for them and welcome them to the city? And I had
00:53:17.140 never organized anything in my life. I had attended rallies and protests and marches and everything
00:53:22.980 and kind of always served in the observer role or the volunteer role or just being there to support.
00:53:29.580 And I was like, sure, I guess I can try it out. And I worked with a friend of mine and we got
00:53:34.180 permits, we got police escort, we got funding to have food for the youth and organize some
00:53:40.260 meetings just for the youth with some government officials that were close to this project and
00:53:45.960 overseeing the permitting and then the Department of Justice, Army Corps and the White House. And so
00:53:51.820 this was just an incredible opportunity to learn from and be part of and to help just welcome the
00:53:56.920 youth and they came and it was an incredible day and they were so inspiring to see them
00:54:04.200 use their voice and to put their bodies under this kind of you know intense you know repetitive
00:54:13.380 every single day just constantly running of you know running for purpose running with the purpose
00:54:19.020 and running you know as a form of advocacy that's where I started learning about like running and
00:54:24.980 connecting it to advocacy but for me had never brought it into a competitive platform but that's
00:54:30.740 where i started really appreciating our youth um so they are who inspired me to hold myself
00:54:36.940 accountable and be like jordan you need to do more like you need to organize you need to you know
00:54:43.380 help uplift their voices and so that's how our rising hearts really came to be was out of the
00:54:48.540 standing rock movement and hearing the calls for action and to support and uh to rally people to
00:54:53.940 come together for standing rock. And I have to give this new
00:54:58.120 path that I've been on ever since this, this journey that
00:55:01.140 I've been on, like all the appreciation and credit to those
00:55:03.700 youth, because if it hadn't been for them, I don't know if I'd
00:55:07.340 really, I don't know if I'd be in this place that I am right
00:55:10.540 now. So I'm really grateful for them to for showing me how
00:55:14.480 important it is to stand up for something you truly believe in.
00:55:17.460 And so all the credit goes to them. So that's how Rising
00:55:20.880 Hearts came to be. It was really an answer to a direct call of
00:55:23.860 action of elevating Indigenous voices, because in DC, so many things are being organized that I
00:55:30.200 didn't see Indigenous voices on, especially speaking to this issue. And so I started inserting
00:55:35.000 myself into those conversations and asking the organizers, hey, where are the Indigenous voices?
00:55:39.680 Where are the land acknowledgements? Where are the Piscataway Native peoples? I know them. We're
00:55:45.600 here. Why aren't we on these platforms? And so then that started networking and collaborating
00:55:51.960 and developing these amazing partnerships
00:55:54.420 with other coalitions and groups
00:55:56.300 where we all began working together.
00:55:58.260 And we ended up all co-founding
00:56:00.000 DC Reinvest Coalition to help get DC
00:56:02.440 to divest from Wells Fargo at the time
00:56:05.340 and just really led into these beautiful collaborations
00:56:09.280 and building community.
00:56:11.640 And that's what Rising Hearts is really all about.
00:56:14.080 And so now that we've come to 2020,
00:56:16.760 I've been seeing and sharing spaces
00:56:18.840 to speak about MMIW,
00:56:20.360 you, but also speaking about, you know, the missing and murdered black women from here in
00:56:24.900 Los Angeles. I was on a panel and a rally with another family speaking for the 300 missing and
00:56:31.500 murdered black women in Los Angeles and just being on stage with them and having this moment of
00:56:38.660 two communities that had been constantly traumatized and has been experiencing this
00:56:44.120 violence and this injustice coming together, multiple families and multiple advocates speaking
00:56:48.340 to this issue was just something that was like another aha moment a light bulb of like you know
00:56:55.000 I don't have to be just or like speaking and organizing and running for indigenous women like
00:57:00.320 and our relatives I can be helping to give visibility to this injustice for for black
00:57:05.300 lives taken too and so we're in 2020 everything's clearly visible now Rising Hearts is in a platform
00:57:12.100 of building community still uplifting and centering indigenous voices but also promoting
00:57:18.020 intersectional collaboration and making sure that we are being a good relative and a good ally
00:57:23.020 to the black community, to the brown community, to the Asian community, to all marginalized
00:57:27.480 communities that have been harmed by these systems and making sure that we can learn from them
00:57:31.200 and be there as support in whatever capacity that we can. And so I'm really happy that Rising Hearts
00:57:37.980 is growing and transforming. We just launched our new logo last night. We have a bonfire campaign
00:57:44.520 with the logo on the shirts and the sweatshirts
00:57:47.420 to help fundraise for our community programming
00:57:50.200 that we have that we've been doing
00:57:51.580 like the Matakuya Yasin COVID-19 Relief Program,
00:57:55.040 which we've delivered over 5,000 masks
00:57:57.240 to communities and face shields.
00:57:59.640 We also have Indigenous Wellness
00:58:01.400 Through Movement series
00:58:02.980 because I've wanted to see
00:58:05.280 Indigenous Wellness instructors in those spaces
00:58:07.460 and to learn from them.
00:58:09.240 And so it's building community that way
00:58:10.780 and inviting this platform to everybody
00:58:12.880 to attend it virtually to learn from indigenous voices and wellness advocates and also opening
00:58:17.940 a platform up to inviting special guests and friends and allies to come teach and lead sessions
00:58:22.720 so the funding is going to go to support that it's going to go to support running on native land
00:58:27.380 initiative it's going to support running with purpose community club team as well as the
00:58:33.100 running with purpose film series and a variety other of programming and upcoming events that
00:58:39.600 we are organizing starting in January 2021. Thank you so much for sharing all that with us
00:58:47.280 and I am sure that everybody who's listening right now will be stoked to support this work
00:58:56.120 and support you in this work so we will put all that info up on the website and social media for
00:59:04.560 easy click links and yeah I'm really I'm really happy that you shared with us some tangible
00:59:11.020 stuff that we can all be involved in so Jordan this has been so beautiful and so deep and
00:59:19.740 it has been so fun to connect with you finally after so many um so many days of seeing you
00:59:27.540 in the digital world and now although we're still in the digital world just hearing your voice is
00:59:33.440 really has been so lovely and um just hearing the depth of your devotion is inspiring and
00:59:42.660 feels so necessary right now to hear from folks who are dedicated and continue forward with such
00:59:52.720 beautiful and complex work thank you so much for having me like i said um i've been listening to
01:00:00.940 your podcast for a long time and having learned more about you and your story through sister jade
01:00:06.040 and just hearing so many wonderful comments about the platform you're building and creating and the
01:00:12.480 visibility you're helping to give i'm just really honored and grateful to be part of this platform
01:00:17.400 with you and to have this conversation so again lila palamay thank you so much
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