For The Wild - June 29, 2022


LINDA BLACK ELK on What Endures After Pandemic [ENCORE] ⧸293

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to For the Wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young. Today I'll be speaking
00:00:11.200 with Linda Black Elk from the Catawba Nation. I mean, I hate to say it this way, but maybe
00:00:18.100 if we'd shown greater respect for the micro, we wouldn't be dealing with a pandemic virus
00:00:23.360 right now. So I think that restoration ecology can sort of be a guide for how we relate to
00:00:33.020 the planet or how we relate to our mother earth in the future. First listening and understanding
00:00:39.280 and developing a relationship and then looking at ways that we can actually rebuild and restore
00:00:46.220 and experiment.
00:00:51.920 Linda is an ethnobotanist specializing in traditional foods and medicines of the Great
00:00:56.840 Plains. She is currently the Director of Food Sovereignty at United Tribes Technical College
00:01:02.660 in Bismarck, North Dakota, and is the mother of Three Lakota Sons.
00:01:09.260 Well, Linda, thank you so much for joining us today. Like I was mentioning, this is
00:01:14.840 a dream come true for me to be speaking with you. I have so much respect and I feel so connected
00:01:19.940 to your work and the way that you go about your work in this world. So thank you for joining us.
00:01:28.760 Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. I've listened to your podcast before
00:01:32.980 and I love it. So I'm really honored to be on here.
00:01:36.560 Oh, wow. Okay. Well, you just made my day. So Linda, of course, I have to begin by asking
00:01:43.780 about the use of traditional medicine right now when it comes to community wellness.
00:01:48.420 And I know so many of us are taking time to take care and sourcing practices that can
00:01:54.940 boost our immune systems through ancestral medicine, nourishing meals, being in prayer,
00:02:00.060 acting in service to elders, and even just taking a moment to lay in the sun.
00:02:05.620 And as a practitioner, I'm wondering if you could share some of the most important things
00:02:09.900 you are doing to take care right now.
00:02:11.560 oh gosh yeah it's a really tough time to practice self-care right now we're all really stressed
00:02:19.600 and stress and anxiety of course lower our immune systems and so I would say that probably the best
00:02:27.260 thing I'm doing for myself and my family the ones that I am isolating with is to laugh and to keep
00:02:35.660 our stress levels down to talk to each other, to joke around with each other, keep our anxiety
00:02:42.240 levels low so that our immune systems can keep repairing themselves. So that's probably the most
00:02:49.200 important thing is just to make sure that we are doing things to allow ourselves to enjoy the
00:02:56.540 moment, enjoy this time with our families while still remaining aware of what's happening in the
00:03:03.120 outside world. It's a tough thing to do, but you know, we can do it. The other thing, and I would
00:03:08.360 say that it's probably equally important is that I'm making sure to eat right. What does that mean
00:03:15.520 to eat right? Because some people would probably say that eating right is just a matter of getting
00:03:21.780 enough calories in your system. And, you know, there is no food shaming here. If people only
00:03:27.640 have access to processed foods you know things that are high in salt and sugar and preservatives
00:03:33.740 then that's all they have access to and you know i honor them and their journey and you know whatever
00:03:40.060 food they need to eat but if they have access if we have access to foods that don't just nourish
00:03:47.500 us physically don't just provide calories but also feed us emotionally and mentally and spiritually
00:03:55.800 then we should be doing that and it's sort of my mission to help people to be aware
00:04:02.420 of the fact that they probably have some of these foods that nourish them mentally emotionally
00:04:09.620 physically and spiritually growing right outside of their doors and they're free so that's always
00:04:16.380 really important to my community which is indigenous people of the northern great plains
00:04:23.000 but you know anyone else who needs that I believe healing is for everyone so yeah so I'm focusing
00:04:28.780 on staying as happy as possible decreasing stress but also eating good things like the wild plants
00:04:37.000 which of course are not just edible but medicinal as well I'm focusing on a lot of fermented foods
00:04:43.660 like kimchi and sauerkraut I'm not a huge fan of kombucha which has become a very popular
00:04:51.080 probiotic these days, but I love vinegars, various fermented vinegars like maple vinegar,
00:04:57.720 and I'm incorporating a lot of those into my diet. And I'm trying to, as much as possible,
00:05:02.980 even though I don't believe in sort of preaching elimination diets, I'm trying to decrease the
00:05:10.320 amount of sugar I eat, the amount of refined sugar I eat. I'm trying to decrease the amount
00:05:16.320 of refined flour in my diet. And I'm always trying to decrease the amount of dairy in my diet.
00:05:23.000 Now, as I was saying earlier, I love to laugh and I love joy. And sometimes that means eating
00:05:28.620 cheese for me, or it means eating bacon, or it means eating some brownies. It's just a matter
00:05:34.980 of finding that balance between what is good for your body, what's good to eat, what you have access
00:05:41.040 to and what is going to help you stay as happy and connected as possible.
00:05:46.940 Oh my goodness, Linda, bacon, cheese, and brownies. Yes, please. That also brings me joy.
00:05:53.280 So thank you for those reminders. I think that in times of crisis, we can forget
00:05:58.920 these simple reminders of taking care in these ways of eating and laughing and they feel really
00:06:05.460 important right now. And yeah, it's just undeniable that we are navigating this great unknown when it
00:06:12.640 comes to what we do. And we don't know all the details of COVID-19. So I'd like to talk a little
00:06:19.700 bit about the debate that is going on around different plant medicines and whether or not
00:06:23.980 they should be recommended. Obviously, we know that there is no official designated cure or
00:06:30.900 preventative measures. But that being said, we can't just turn our backs on the medicines that
00:06:36.340 have been in use since time immemorial. So I'd love if you could share with us what it means to
00:06:42.000 practice plant medicine during times of urgency, and how can we balance our reliance on plant
00:06:48.460 medicine while preventing the potential misuse of this medicine during this time?
00:06:54.000 This is such a great question. So I think that one of the, dare I say, faults of Western medicine
00:07:02.100 is that it is always trying to look for the cure. Western medicine is always trying to look for the
00:07:08.960 magic bullet, the thing that will either keep people from getting sick or the thing that will
00:07:13.780 actually cure an illness. As Indigenous people, we're lucky because Indigenous medicine,
00:07:18.920 traditional medicine really focuses on the general action of plants. It doesn't focus
00:07:25.760 on this magic bullet. So for example, we've had a lot of discussion recently about elderberry
00:07:32.380 elixir, which is a mixture of medicines actually, that of course includes elderberries and it
00:07:38.320 includes raw honey and beautiful spices like star anise and cinnamon. People put turmeric and
00:07:45.640 echinacea and rose hips into their elderberry elixir. It's just a beautiful mixture of medicines
00:07:51.200 that boost your immune system and help with cough and respiratory illness. And, you know,
00:07:58.200 all of these medicines have a general action such as boosting your immune system or such as
00:08:03.580 generally being an antiviral. They're not trying to be a magic bullet. So people can use them in
00:08:11.140 a really good, safe way to just make themselves more able to fight off illness. And I think that
00:08:20.680 those general actions are really important. And I think that that is where Western medicine falls
00:08:25.260 behind. They're not trying to help people be healthier. They are trying to find the magic
00:08:31.840 bullet that will either prevent or cure the illness. So that means that we have to step in
00:08:37.740 early within these epidemics and pandemics as Indigenous people, as we have always done,
00:08:44.760 stepped in to save and to comfort our communities, whether they are our Indigenous brothers and
00:08:51.200 sisters or non-Indigenous community members as well. And I have really found that a lot of the
00:08:59.500 hundreds of messages and requests for advice that I get per day actually come from non-Native people 1.00
00:09:05.320 who are just at an absolute loss and who are scared because they know that Western medicine 0.67
00:09:11.160 does not have a way to currently fight or cure a COVID-19 infection. So I'm happy to share
00:09:20.020 that information with them. Thank you so much for being so available,
00:09:26.440 especially during this time. It's troubling and people are really confused and there's so much
00:09:31.440 to be confused about that we'll get into more of that further into the conversation. But by now,
00:09:37.980 I think we're all familiar with the power that perceived scarcity holds as it has caused millions
00:09:45.600 across the globe to engage in mass hoarding. In response, many are cultivating self-resilience by
00:09:51.720 turning to traditional medicines and personal gardens. However, I've noticed that the hoarding
00:09:57.460 reigns supreme in many of these well-intentioned actions. For example, many seed companies are
00:10:04.560 completely sold out, and medicine like elderberry and bear root or osha root are being harvested at
00:10:11.320 an unhealthy rate. So I can't help but think about how we remain trapped within the psychological
00:10:17.920 confines of unbridled capitalism, that even when we seek out so-called alternative ways of being,
00:10:25.000 we continue to reenact selfish behavior in our harvesting, foraging, growing, etc.
00:10:31.500 So I'd love if you could share with us how this behavior is diametrically opposed to being in
00:10:38.160 relation with earth or perhaps any guidance on practicing honorable harvest amidst times of
00:10:44.300 panic. So I've been dealing with this a lot lately and, you know, I try to harvest as much
00:10:51.120 of my own medicines as possible so that I can come in physical and spiritual contact with my
00:10:56.720 plant relatives, talk to them, talk to them about why I'm harvesting them and how they're going to
00:11:02.460 be applied. And I feel like that always helps. But as an individual, there's just no way that
00:11:09.700 I can harvest enough for everyone that I want to help. So I do contact various people, friends of
00:11:16.140 mine who might have stuff available, who might have medicines available, and a lot of them are
00:11:22.320 struggling right now with having enough to meet the demand. It's important to remember that there's
00:11:27.980 a difference between hoarding and being prepared, like all that bullshit with the toilet paper and 0.96
00:11:34.500 processed high-carb foods like ramen noodles that I was talking about earlier. People are 0.97
00:11:39.860 hoarding those items, making sure that you and your community, and let me stress the and there,
00:11:45.600 making sure that you and your community have what they need, that's vital because we won't
00:11:51.040 make it through this on our own. Being in quarantine doesn't mean that we can't take
00:11:55.400 care of each other. The key, I think, to fighting this hoarding mentality is the opposite of hoarding,
00:12:01.940 which is sharing. And I believe healing is for everyone and that we have to trust our relatives,
00:12:08.280 native and non-native, in these times of crises. I remember, as you know, I was very involved
00:12:14.200 down at Standing Rock in the camps fighting the Dakota Access Pipeline. And I remember after I
00:12:20.340 came through all of that, even though I had been pepper sprayed 12 times, even though I had been
00:12:26.860 shot with rubber bullets, even though I had been sprayed with water cannons and sub-zero temperatures
00:12:32.160 and had been the victim of this CS, you know, this nerve gas that made me shake all over.
00:12:38.780 even after all of that I remember standing there and looking around and thinking to myself that
00:12:44.640 people are generally good people are good and I swore to myself swore to myself that I would never
00:12:51.780 forget that and that's what I've been trying to remind myself of as I watch the news and I see
00:12:57.400 people you know hoarding seeds and hoarding traditional medicines and over harvesting sage
00:13:03.720 because they think that it's going to kill SARS-CoV-2 all around them.
00:13:09.240 And, you know, I think a lot of that comes from misinformation
00:13:12.160 and that it requires a large degree of patience
00:13:16.500 on the part of healers and Indigenous people in general
00:13:21.440 to encourage sustainability, to encourage sharing and demand,
00:13:27.780 not just encourage, but demand that people follow proper protocols
00:13:32.360 that have been put in place by the people who know this land better than anyone. And that's us,
00:13:38.020 that's Native people. We have to believe and encourage common sense. People who are saying
00:13:44.460 ridiculous things about this virus being a hoax, you know, as our Diné relatives are dying in
00:13:50.700 droves, you know, we need to practice patience, common sense. We need to be teachers in a time
00:13:56.960 when really, I'm tired. I get very tired of having to share and teach. But right now,
00:14:05.840 it is more critical than ever that we as Indigenous people are willing to share and
00:14:12.020 demand that other people share and practice common sense and critical thinking and all of that. But
00:14:18.300 there's been a real push over the last few years where my non-Native friends, I'll say it, my white
00:14:25.560 friends have stepped forward for me when people will try to argue with me or say, for example,
00:14:33.000 that this isn't all native land. You guys lost some war or something. Well, I have this amazing
00:14:39.100 group of non-native friends who step up and don't make me try to explain to people why what they're 0.96
00:14:47.740 saying is ridiculous. And I really value my friends for doing that because it gives me energy to
00:14:52.660 continue. And it gives me energy for times of crisis like this, so that I can step up and
00:14:59.520 protect my plant relatives, make sure that people are sharing, make sure that people are following
00:15:05.960 proper protocols, demanding that of them. And it makes a difference. And beyond that,
00:15:12.060 there's really not a whole lot I can do. I can explain, I can teach, and I can encourage,
00:15:17.500 and I can demand. And beyond that, there's just not a lot that I can do. I do not want to be
00:15:23.200 within touching distance of someone who's trying to over-harvest sage right now. So all I can do
00:15:28.460 is hope that if I give them the right information, they'll take it and do good things with it.
00:15:34.240 Wow, Linda, your patience and bravery and love, just so much love that you have for this earth
00:15:45.480 And for all the creatures, including the humans roaming around is unbelievable. Just that you've been able to put yourself on the front lines, your body on the front lines for what was happening at Standing Rock with the pipeline and also have patience for those who have been doing things that are harmful and still see the good in people.
00:16:09.320 I mean, that is such a practice that, yeah, so challenging. And it's really inspiring to hear
00:16:17.260 you speak to these things with so much care and love. And I don't know, just a feeling of abundance
00:16:24.180 that you are sharing with us is really beautiful. And well, and you know, I think it's important to
00:16:30.660 also for me to say that it doesn't mean I'm not fearful. You know, I am placing a great amount
00:16:37.520 of trust in people that I have actually been taught to not trust. One of my friends, her name
00:16:43.360 is Valerie. She's another plant person. She made a very good point that she was saying to me as I 0.89
00:16:51.060 was making videos and I was on webinars talking about various plant medicines for boosting
00:16:57.300 immunity and fighting infection. She said, don't ever forget that most of the witch hunts that have
00:17:04.760 taken place have occurred after pandemics and that was very striking to me because it's true
00:17:10.840 it's historically accurate a lot of times it's the healers after a pandemic who are hunted down
00:17:17.060 and seen as the enemy because of course we provide a service largely for free and we take funds money
00:17:25.720 away from people who are trying to make lots of it and take advantage of people who don't have
00:17:31.440 very much. And so that means a lot of times after big illnesses like this, we receive a lot of
00:17:39.340 ire, I suppose, in the eyes, particularly of big business and big medicine, big pharma. So I just
00:17:47.160 wanted to make sure to say that it's not that I'm not fearful in a way for myself and my family and
00:17:53.160 my friends and other healers. It's that I know that providing healing for people is more important
00:17:59.220 than my fear. My goodness, Linda. Wow. Thank you so much for adding that piece. And I didn't know
00:18:06.280 that historical, I'm like slurring because I'm just kind of shocked by that. Maybe shocked isn't
00:18:14.500 the right word, but that was really kind of perked me up to think about that. And it makes a lot of
00:18:21.060 sense, although it's horrible. And I appreciate you saying that. It's important for us to understand
00:18:27.120 and the history of other pandemics as we look to the one that we're in so that we can protect
00:18:32.560 ourselves while protecting others. And as we're talking about all of these things and honorable
00:18:38.520 harvesting and growing with reverence and working with the plants and giving and sharing, I can't
00:18:45.300 help but draw upon your work with restoration ecology and the importance of, for example,
00:18:51.020 the life-giving prairies and grasslands. As many of us awaken or reawaken to the value of personal
00:18:58.800 and communal gardening, I want to remind listeners of the importance of cultivating care beyond our
00:19:04.380 immediate place. So I'm wondering if you could talk about the importance of restoration ecology
00:19:09.400 as we make plans for living well, and how is this an act of reciprocity?
00:19:14.280 wonderful question restoration is really in my heart because I look at lands that are sacred
00:19:24.240 and I look at the ways that various practices usually as a result of unbridled capitalism
00:19:32.360 have destroyed soil have destroyed plant life animal life have destroyed air quality and water
00:19:41.400 quality. And I do not lose hope when I see that because I have seen restoration take place. I've
00:19:51.080 seen the rebuilding of soil and I've seen water that I thought would forever be undrinkable.
00:19:59.520 I've seen that cleaned and, you know, purified. And, you know, I've seen the same thing happen
00:20:04.980 with the air that we breathe in places. And it's really encouraging to me. And, you know,
00:20:10.540 I think the reason I'm able to see that, the reason I'm always able to have hope when I see
00:20:16.140 polluted areas is because I know that I have a connection with the plant nations and the
00:20:24.660 animal nations, the other animals that will grow and thrive there. Because the first step to
00:20:30.700 understanding restoration ecology is to develop a relationship with the land. That's absolutely
00:20:35.900 be the most important first step. I think there's this mythology when it comes to restoration
00:20:41.400 that we have to take the land back to some indefinable time, maybe back to the 1500s,
00:20:49.660 but oh no, we were already here as Indigenous people for eons, millennia before that. So where
00:20:55.840 do we take it back to? I think that it's unrealistic to think that we need to restore
00:21:01.880 land back to this immemorial time, and that that can actually cause more harm to plant and animal
00:21:09.040 life, cause more harm than good. So what I like to do is to take the approach of communicating with
00:21:16.240 the land. And as an indigenous person, I always hesitate to talk that way because people call me
00:21:21.920 a big hippie when I do, but talking to plants, finding out what they need and where they want
00:21:27.340 to grow and how best to grow them, experimenting with them, listening to them, understanding them,
00:21:32.540 that is restoration ecology. You cannot restore land without listening to the land. You do have
00:21:39.700 to think about, you know, this is something I absolutely know. We have to think about rebuilding
00:21:44.600 soil, restoring soil, air, water, wildlife, so that we can be better future partners to help
00:21:51.760 sustain all life on this planet. We can't just be superficial and plant some trees and walk away
00:21:57.900 and expect things to take care of themselves. We have to consider soil biota first and below
00:22:03.980 ground relationships that sustain everything that's above ground. We have to show respect
00:22:09.880 and consideration for all organisms. I know everyone always tries to think on the macro
00:22:15.220 level. Let's look at these huge, beautiful trees and let's look at restoring bison to an area,
00:22:20.760 but not many people are thinking about the microscopic organisms. And perhaps, I mean,
00:22:27.240 I hate to say it this way, but maybe if we'd shown greater respect for the micro,
00:22:31.540 we wouldn't be dealing with a pandemic virus right now. So I think that restoration ecology
00:22:38.240 can sort of be a guide for how we relate to the planet, how we relate to our mother earth
00:22:47.000 in the future, first listening and understanding and developing a relationship,
00:22:52.320 and then looking at ways that we can actually rebuild and restore and experiment.
00:22:59.900 Did that answer your question?
00:23:01.780 It answered the heart of the question completely. And I really agree with you, Linda. I've been
00:23:08.820 involved with restoration ecology for the past six, seven years now. And I've been really
00:23:15.460 disenchanted with the way academic restoration ecology is playing out or this restoration
00:23:22.800 industrial complex. Like you were saying earlier with these visions of restoring back to a certain
00:23:29.920 timeframe 200 years ago, 300 years ago, it doesn't really make sense. We're not looking at what the
00:23:36.520 land is saying right now and building those relationships and listening and trying things
00:23:42.140 out and experimenting and being small and looking at the micro. And I agree, people are much more
00:23:48.560 obsessed with the grandeur of the large trees or they want things to happen really quickly.
00:23:55.900 But I think that's also something that stops us from being in relationship or having consent or
00:24:01.640 trust building. If we want things to be fast and urgent and we just want something that looks
00:24:06.400 degraded to be somehow looking like old growth status within our lifetimes, that's not going
00:24:11.840 to happen. We can't create old growth in a short span of time. It's old growth. I mean, these
00:24:18.480 ecosystems, these lands take so long. And I think for me, getting comfortable with releasing the
00:24:24.960 urgency, not in the sense of releasing care and passion, but just putting things in perspective
00:24:31.980 and putting things in relational perspective is so important for me in my own learning.
00:24:38.340 And so to hear you say what you've said so eloquently, it really helps me personally just stay on this path. And I'm sure so many others will resonate with what you're saying, because I think that what we have been doing in this industrial academic lens or format or way of doing is just not really working.
00:25:00.200 And we're not seeing the earth respond, I don't think, especially when we're just plugging trees into poisoned lands in a monocropped fashion, not really thinking about the whole system like the biota, like the microorganisms in the soil.
00:25:19.540 It's so important.
00:25:20.280 So I really am very appreciative that you spoke to that.
00:25:23.020 Yeah.
00:25:23.260 So thank you.
00:25:23.820 You know, it helps when we think truly of the planet as our mother, as Mother Earth, and realize that these degraded or polluted areas are wounds. They are literal wounds on our mother. And they are trauma. The healing of trauma is never easy. The healing of wounds is never easy. And sometimes it's a painful process, right?
00:25:46.420 You know, sometimes medicine, when you apply it to a wound, it hurts and it takes time
00:25:51.520 to heal.
00:25:52.120 And sometimes it has to heal from the inside out.
00:25:55.040 And, you know, we need to think of it that way.
00:25:57.360 And we need to think of ourselves as all of us, you know, people who are practicing restoration
00:26:02.180 ecology, especially we need to think of ourselves as healers the same way that, you know, I
00:26:07.200 heal other human beings.
00:26:09.580 You know, I work to heal my mother and, you know, that takes a certain amount of patience
00:26:14.140 And it takes a certain amount of tending to these wounds and being patient and, you know, always trying to comfort her and let her know that it's healing.
00:26:25.240 You know, there's a lot of trauma, just like, you know, we have trauma, historic trauma and more recent trauma.
00:26:31.320 Our Mother Earth has trauma as well.
00:26:33.040 And that's a painful healing process.
00:26:35.520 So it takes time.
00:26:44.140 It's about that time we start unwinding
00:26:52.320 Any hope we're at around
00:26:56.180 The distant light and the silent conversation
00:27:01.320 Never blossomed into the sound
00:27:04.560 Cause we were hard with her
00:27:07.400 We were broken out
00:27:09.780 And we were always forgetting us
00:27:13.440 We were flashbulbs, we were constellations
00:27:18.420 And we tried to connect the dots
00:27:22.440 And all this and all that worth in between
00:27:28.080 We did a mile to a dime
00:27:31.760 If I anguish could call this low tide
00:27:34.600 Then we'd come back
00:27:36.040 Rising but down in the dark for good
00:27:43.440 now outside of our individual and immediate experience with this global pandemic
00:27:54.660 we're also grappling with how to make meaning of this message it's common to hear this crisis
00:28:01.920 framed as a spiritual one or an ecological message sent from the animal queendom and
00:28:07.720 It's also just as common to be reminded that historically, global crises actually cause modern economies to push themselves even further to make up for the lost gains.
00:28:19.080 So it's a critical time that requires isolation, handwashing, and medicine, of course, but it also requires prayer, contemplation, and courage.
00:28:28.940 And I'm wondering if you'd be willing to share any of your own framing or reflections on this time.
00:28:34.740 Yeah, I mean, this is a time of great lessons.
00:28:37.900 It's a time when I believe that we are being reminded that we have to rely on each other.
00:28:43.640 You know, I know my elders are relying on me, even though it's very difficult to self-isolate, to not do the work that I love to do over at United Tribes Technical College.
00:28:57.240 It's hard.
00:28:58.060 my elders are depending on me to not go near them at this time, but to still make sure that
00:29:04.820 they're taken care of. And so I think that there are a lot of lessons to be learned from a global
00:29:10.800 pandemic, but I think that they are internal and everyone has their own lessons. They're learning
00:29:18.180 their own ways of doing this. And I guess for me, it's about learning to appreciate the silence,
00:29:24.880 learning to appreciate the alone time, learning to appreciate the downtime. I'm someone who
00:29:30.340 constantly keeps myself very busy. And I've had to stop doing a lot of activities that I really
00:29:38.760 love and enjoy. And so I suppose if I were to frame it in a larger context, it would be
00:29:44.580 that we're all learning, you know, how to look within, or we should all be learning how to look
00:29:51.060 within. And then we're all learning how to apply what we find there to the outside world and do it
00:29:58.640 without necessarily being right in front of each other. I think one of the most frustrating things
00:30:04.760 about social media is that because we are not face-to-face, we feel like we have permission
00:30:13.140 to be cruel. When someone, when you can't feel their emotions, when you can't see their facial
00:30:19.760 expressions, when you can't see them hurting, you almost feel justified in being very purposefully
00:30:25.840 cruel. You know, I think that was the rise of internet trolls is such an interesting research
00:30:31.300 project. And right now, I'm seeing less of that. I'm seeing people learning to be kind to each
00:30:39.140 other and learning to try to read emotions from a distance, learning to try to read into feelings
00:30:45.380 from text messages and emails and, you know, learning to read people from over a webinar,
00:30:51.260 you know, and just from looking at them over, you know, through a camera lens. And maybe that's a
00:30:56.500 good thing, you know, maybe because we are in the internet age, maybe we're learning to be a little
00:31:01.760 kinder to each other, hopefully. Yeah, I hope so too. Now, I'd like to focus on some of the very
00:31:09.720 delicate areas of the popular narratives going around COVID-19. In the environmental realm,
00:31:15.940 the dominant narrative is one that highlights declining carbon emissions,
00:31:20.340 a halt in many forms of transportation, the reappearance of animal kin throughout heavily
00:31:25.480 populated human areas, and the reminder that we don't need as much oil as big companies are
00:31:31.820 telling us we need, or that actually there is a surplus of oil. But often, these conversations
00:31:38.180 either romanticize or oversimplify the true expense of this disease in terms of the human
00:31:44.300 lives it will cost. Indeed, it feels like we are veering into dangerous patterns of disposability,
00:31:51.720 and we must make no mistake that narratives of disposability are part of the colonial project.
00:31:58.660 Economies are slowing, yes, but at the expense of entire swaths of our global population.
00:32:04.600 So I wonder if you could speak to the complexity, but more important, the care that needs to
00:32:10.040 be exercised in processing global pandemics.
00:32:13.420 Yeah, I've been seeing that a lot too, people talking about how skies are clearing over
00:32:18.040 Hong Kong and dolphins are swimming in waterways in various parts of Europe for the first time. 0.99
00:32:25.180 Excuse my language, but it's bullshit. 0.97
00:32:27.100 It's the poor and the vulnerable who are dying. 0.99
00:32:30.120 The destruction of our planet is not a poor and vulnerable people issue.
00:32:33.960 In fact, you know, the poor have probably caused the least amount of pollution on our planet.
00:32:38.300 This is an elitist issue. It's the rich, it's major corporations and large industries.
00:32:44.500 They're the ones causing the destruction of our water and our soil and our air.
00:32:48.880 And we need to see how that ideology, you know, the idea that human lives are the cost for cleaner air, that serves the 1%.
00:32:57.000 That serves the rich. It takes the blame and the focus off of them.
00:33:01.080 and it's highly destructive. And if anything is making me angry during this time, it is that.
00:33:08.440 Yeah. I mean, going back to social media and just media in general, there's so much coming at us
00:33:14.360 from all angles. And there are a lot of dangerous narratives that we need to
00:33:20.660 understand. And I think that if we don't really look at them with a critical lens,
00:33:27.440 that we will repeat the same destructive issues over and over again and really hurt each other.
00:33:34.040 I think that the fact that carbon emissions are lower is a lesson to look at. Let's look at that,
00:33:42.660 but you can't just put it on a meme and then one sentence later, wrap it up and then everybody go,
00:33:48.800 hooray. It's so much more complex than that. So I really appreciate you speaking to that.
00:33:54.900 And yeah, this pandemic is showing us the extremes of our lived experience. We're becoming, again, acutely aware that a different world is in fact possible. I think of the prisoners who were mandated to remain incarcerated for decades, now released early to be with their families.
00:34:12.760 workers at grocery stores whose value was estimated to be below the minimum wage now
00:34:18.020 recognized as essential and cities across the country finding housing for the homeless so
00:34:24.000 after telling us for years that there weren't the funds or the space to do so but i also wonder
00:34:30.740 what happens to this power when the virus weakens or when life resumes to some sort of normal what
00:34:38.220 will endure? How do you think we can hold onto this momentum as so many are awakening to
00:34:44.260 anti-capitalism? And how can we ensure that we don't allow global powers to divert our attention
00:34:50.260 amidst a public health crisis and a likely global recession? What does recovery from this pandemic
00:34:56.440 look like? It's a great question. My hope is that we will not forget that the only people who are
00:35:03.620 keeping the world running at this time are the people, as you said, who have been deemed
00:35:08.920 sort of at the bottom of the economic ladder. My own son, he's 18 and he works at a grocery store
00:35:17.960 and he's actually high risk because he's asthmatic. And I was finally able to get him to take some 0.98
00:35:24.340 time off of work because I was so concerned. I actually posted about how concerned I was on
00:35:30.120 Facebook. And I was shocked that people's reaction were, oh, isn't he so brave to be putting himself
00:35:36.640 at risk to bag people's groceries. And, you know, I just, I was so angry at people who were talking
00:35:43.500 that way because it's like, he should not be the one putting himself at risk. And if that is an
00:35:50.160 essential service, if my son bagging groceries for his high school job, if that is an essential
00:35:55.640 service, then why are the 1% not recognizing that? Why is he making minimum wage if he is so
00:36:04.780 essential? You know, and so as we watch how like these stock markets plunge, when actually no real
00:36:11.580 infrastructure has been destroyed, you know, and no natural resources, you know, we still, as you
00:36:17.260 said, have oil and all of that. If the stock markets plunge through all of that, and our
00:36:21.920 economy is crashing, what does that actually say about the labor of people like my son?
00:36:28.820 You know, what does that actually mean about the importance of people who are doing these
00:36:34.660 jobs, fulfilling these essential services, as they're called?
00:36:38.380 And how do we make sure that the people who are in these sort of upper economic echelons,
00:36:45.580 if we want to talk about it that way, you know, what will they do after all of this
00:36:50.400 is over?
00:36:50.760 will they still recognize that importance? Well, I think that that's going to have to be up to us.
00:36:56.440 I think that we are going to have to constantly remind them and not ever let them forget.
00:37:01.080 I have seen a lot of people having this discussion, but with no plan about how to constantly remind 0.82
00:37:07.600 the 1% of this. What happens? Maybe in the future, it's just going to mean that we have to 0.76
00:37:14.400 stop working for them. Maybe it means that we have to stop pumping their gas and we have to
00:37:20.360 stop bagging their groceries and we have to stop cleaning their hotel rooms and their hospital
00:37:25.600 rooms in order to make them see how essential and how important people's labor is.
00:37:33.100 Yeah, I'm with you. I think that, yeah, as you were speaking, I just couldn't help but
00:37:40.360 look back to some of my own reflections, especially the importance of using this time
00:37:45.580 to organize and potentially stop doing the grunt work, the labor, the, yeah, what people have deemed 0.87
00:37:55.440 as this less worthy work for the 1%. And I think looking in this country, there are a lot of us
00:38:03.780 who are really safe in comparison to what is going on elsewhere. Of course, there's struggle,
00:38:08.940 But I was just reading this article in India of this mass exodus, and it was horrifying seeing these images. But I think instead of just talking about it or sharing memes through social media, I really feel like we need to use this fleeting moment to demand Medicare for all and participate in rent strikes, for example.
00:38:31.480 And so I wonder if you could speak to the importance of taking action now, organizing to ensure that we do, in fact, see measurable change at the end of this pandemic.
00:38:42.620 Absolutely. Now is the time to demand that infrastructural change, Medicare for all, and talking to people about a living wage, demanding a living wage, realizing that people who are working in these labor jobs, these labor positions, them struggling actually has a negative impact on the entire economy and on sort of our emotions.
00:39:12.620 wellness as well, the emotional wellness of the entire country. And that has much more of a
00:39:19.460 trickle down and trickle up effect than actual cash does. So we have to demand this. We have to
00:39:26.500 be voting. It's coming up soon. And we have to vote that way. We have to vote for the person
00:39:33.220 and the people who are going to make sure that those lessons, these lessons that we've learned
00:39:39.660 from COVID-19 are never forgotten. I can't stress it enough. Voting is what's going to be essential.
00:39:47.340 Demanding that change from the people that we put into office is going to be critical and making
00:39:52.720 sure that the people who are denying that to us are thrown out. Yes, absolutely. And I do think
00:40:01.280 that we are in such a unique time because this country, the government of the United States and
00:40:10.460 all over the world, there's a lot of chaos. There's a lot of lack of stability. So I think
00:40:18.120 if we do organize, if we really do take this time when we're at home, when we don't have our
00:40:23.700 schedules full to the brim, that we actually can make a lot of change with voting and otherwise
00:40:29.360 because we're in a place where things are fragile. There is a lot of opportunity to say no or to say
00:40:39.260 yes, whatever demands that we're speaking to. I could imagine them really taking hold. Like if
00:40:45.460 enough people striked for rent freeze, what could they do about it at this point? You know, it's
00:40:50.760 kind of like, wow, we have a lot at our fingertips if we really get together through the internet
00:40:58.080 or in other ways to make a big change. And so I am holding on to that. And
00:41:03.320 you know, it's just such a strange time though. I also wanted to speak to that,
00:41:09.920 and you spoke to this a bit in your last response, that we are also being reminded that it's really
00:41:15.380 easy to capitalize on our fear, particularly to enact draconian and authoritarian measures.
00:41:22.040 And once these measures are passed, there's no telling if they'll be rescinded once the virus
00:41:26.060 slows. For example, just last week, the EPA announced a freeze on enforcing environmental
00:41:31.420 regulations for an indefinite amount of time due to the coronavirus, explaining that they will not
00:41:38.260 seek penalties when major polluters fail to follow legal requirements on hazardous waste management
00:41:43.580 and air and water pollution. So with that in mind, I'd like to turn towards the importance of
00:41:49.980 creating resilience and freedom where we can, because it's not enough to be acutely aware
00:41:56.040 of what might be taken away. We have to proactively engage with what we can create for
00:42:02.060 ourselves. So I'd love if you could speak to your work with cultivating food sovereignty
00:42:07.460 and stopping the exploitation of body, land and water. So yeah, I think that all of these
00:42:14.760 lightening of environmental regulations, along with what the EPA did in suspending those laws.
00:42:21.980 Trump was weakening fuel economy standards and different states were passing laws to
00:42:28.420 criminalize fossil fuel protests and things like that, you know, right under our noses. And
00:42:33.420 that's really, in my opinion, the sign of a tyrannical government, you know, people who are
00:42:38.220 exploiting and this government who's so opportunistic, right, that they're exploiting
00:42:43.460 us at our weakest time, a time when we are supposed to be in quarantine, you know, a time
00:42:48.240 when we're scared about getting sick and seeing our relatives or people dying around us. The
00:42:53.640 government and their rich allies are selling off their stocks and lining their pockets with our
00:43:00.120 suffering and a lot of cash. So it's really a time for us to stand up and say, okay, how can we
00:43:07.920 not be part of that system how can we help to dismantle that system that is oppressing us
00:43:15.740 and one of the best ways in my opinion that we can do that is by growing our own food
00:43:20.060 we can grow our own food if you live in an area where you only have a balcony or a porch you can
00:43:28.340 grow food in containers i'm always amazed at the amount of usable space that is around apartment
00:43:36.220 buildings that is filled with rocks and gravel. Demand that those rocks and that gravel be taken
00:43:42.740 out and throw some topsoil on there and start growing your own food. Even if you have to start
00:43:47.840 small the first year and you're only growing lettuce, growing lettuce, growing small things
00:43:52.800 that start, that is an act of resistance. And it will just expand and grow year after year after
00:43:58.780 year. Because once you get that feeling of being independent, of growing your own food, of feeding
00:44:04.840 yourself and your family and your community. Once you get that feeling, it spreads and you
00:44:10.380 almost become dependent on it. And you know that next year you're going to go bigger, you're going
00:44:15.000 to plant more, you're going to expand your gardens. And you see that garden bed in the median in the
00:44:21.660 middle of the street and you're like, hey, some apple trees would grow perfectly there. You know,
00:44:27.000 that feeling is going to spread. It only takes a couple of people to start it in a particular
00:44:32.140 neighborhood. And then the rest of the neighborhood will join in. And especially when you tell them
00:44:36.880 about why it's important. So along with actually growing our own food and planting our own food
00:44:42.720 and saving seeds, it's important to share why we're doing that. A lot of people will get so
00:44:49.300 frustrated because they'll have their own garden and, you know, they'll have neighbors and other
00:44:54.760 people coming and saying, Hey, do you want to share some of those cucumbers with me? Can you
00:44:59.220 spara squash, things like that. But they're not actually saying to their neighbors, well, here's
00:45:04.900 a squash, make sure to save the seeds from that so that you and I can plant them next year. I'll
00:45:10.460 teach you how to grow this. The education behind that's so important. And it's not just the
00:45:15.580 education in growing food. You know, we have to teach people how to grow their own food. We have
00:45:21.000 to encourage them to grow their own food. But we do not just live in food deserts. We have to
00:45:27.220 understand that. We don't just live in food deserts. We live in culinary deserts where people
00:45:32.480 have forgotten how to cook good food. And a lot of people are embarrassed by that. You hand them
00:45:39.080 a kohlrabi, for example, or something even more common than that. Hand them a squash and ask them
00:45:45.620 if they know how to cook it. And there's going to be a lot of people, even in indigenous communities,
00:45:50.440 who do not know how to cook a squash. And so we have to teach people how to cook these items.
00:45:56.380 and then we also need to encourage them to change their palates to appreciate traditional foods to
00:46:02.540 appreciate good foods over time it's not going to happen overnight people aren't going to give
00:46:07.340 up fry bread overnight i've tried but we need to encourage them okay i'm not asking you to give up
00:46:14.020 fried bread but just try adding this squash into your diet a couple of times a week or adding
00:46:18.560 a salad into your repertoire a few times a week and here's how you make it and this is what
00:46:24.380 benefits it has. And this is how you make it taste amazing. You know, it requires just a passion for
00:46:31.160 food, it requires a passion for the plants, and it requires a passion for our planet and a passion
00:46:38.980 for our community, a love of our community, wanting them to be healthier, not just physically
00:46:45.020 healthier, but more spiritually and emotionally healthy. Yes, I love hearing that. And I never
00:46:52.400 thought about the culinary desert, but I completely see that. I think a few years ago before I grew
00:46:58.700 squash, I probably wouldn't have known what to do with a lot of them. I don't think I did. And
00:47:04.040 also some of them are so hard to cut that I think I probably gave up as soon as I couldn't get like
00:47:08.740 a dull knife through one and realize like, I don't know what I'm doing with this big, hard thing.
00:47:13.420 And, you know, it's really, it's just when you were talking about how it could be,
00:47:17.520 well, I guess the word came up contagious in a positive way, like getting your hands in the
00:47:23.820 soil and growing food, it gets you. Working with plants, the plants get you. I've experienced this
00:47:31.500 with myself and so many others. There's that resistance wall that feels like we could be so
00:47:36.860 distant from the plants, but then once we welcome them in and we smell them, we feel them, we touch
00:47:41.660 the seeds, we feel the soil in our fingertips. Something magical really happens. And I think
00:47:48.180 that you're right. If people just start small and it can grow within the community and there's an
00:47:53.520 excitement around it, and then you have a potluck when we can have those again, and we're sharing
00:47:58.060 the food from our gardens, no matter if it's a container garden on our balcony or otherwise,
00:48:03.100 there's something so connective and primordial that all of our ancestors did at one point.
00:48:10.080 And so I think there's a lot of healing that comes with food sovereignty on so many levels, physical, spiritual. There's a lot of purpose in it. And so I love hearing you talk about this because it feels really good.
00:48:24.900 And I think that, like you were saying at the beginning of our conversation about laughter, we do need to feel good at times right now. Of course, we need to be taking in the truths and the hard truths. But if we don't have time where we're having a connection to joy and laughter and just that reverence, that feeling of reverence, I think it'll be really detrimental to us.
00:48:48.400 And I know that there's a lot of grief and panic and anxiety in the whole global sphere at the moment because of the internet and social media and just 24-7 hour news streams, which I do not think us humans have been evolved to deal with this type of global news 24 hours, seven days a week.
00:49:07.320 And we hear how many frontline responders are testing positive in New York. And we're aware of the increase in cases across Navajo Nation. And we're witnessing the spraying of migrant workers in India and just the atrocities of the position that the refugees are in in Syria.
00:49:25.400 I mean, stranded in camps without soap or water, and I think this is causing both collective grief and an anticipatory grief, rightfully so. 0.83
00:49:34.760 So amidst a time when we need to be nourishing our immune systems and we can't help but weaken them through our overpowering emotions, and like I said, rightly so, because we just can't turn away from the state of the world,
00:49:47.980 I'm wondering if you could speak to how we can calm ourselves and how these tools will
00:49:53.300 also be necessary in recovering from this pandemic over the long term, because we know
00:49:57.480 it's not going away overnight or even in April.
00:50:01.420 It's not going away.
00:50:02.620 And anytime that I really feel myself getting anxious, you know, I try to stay as on top
00:50:10.180 of the news as possible. But I only allow myself a certain number of views per day. Because as you
00:50:18.760 said, this constant stream, I really can become obsessive about it. Because if I miss news,
00:50:25.480 especially where people are dying and people are suffering, it's almost as if I feel guilty
00:50:29.320 for missing it. Oh, how couldn't I have known that those two grandmothers passed away up on
00:50:35.560 you know, the White Earth Reservation or down on the Diné Reservation. It makes me feel like,
00:50:41.220 oh, I'm missing this suffering of my relatives and I should really be witness to it so that I
00:50:46.780 can talk to people about it in the future. The very first thing I do when I start to feel that
00:50:53.020 anxious is I breathe. I take super deep breaths. In fact, I take four super deep breaths counting
00:51:01.660 to 10 on the way in and counting again to 10 on the way out each time, just focusing on the
00:51:07.880 numbers, just focusing on the counting and taking those deep breaths. You know, sometimes I'll say
00:51:13.140 to my students, how many times a day do you take a super deep breath? How many times a day do you
00:51:19.820 take air all the way into your lungs? You know, and they will often say to me that they can't
00:51:27.180 even remember the last time that they did that, let alone doing that even once a day. They can't
00:51:32.680 remember the last time they ever thought about that or did that. And so the first thing I always
00:51:37.980 do is breathe. And I encourage people to take deep breaths. And it's even better if you can
00:51:44.240 get outside, get near a tree, get on a patch of grass, get into a garden, whatever you can do,
00:51:52.480 whatever you can find get out and get in touch with your plant relatives in whatever way you can
00:51:59.940 and take those deep breaths in that spot and it's so calming and it's so reassuring it makes all the
00:52:08.560 difference in the world and it's difficult to talk about this but i in in my home we burn plants
00:52:16.360 quite a bit. We smudge, I guess is the popular term for it. Lakotas use the word azilia,
00:52:23.220 you know, to purify the air around you. And I think that that's really important. But I was
00:52:31.120 on a webinar yesterday where I said, if you are not native, do not use our sage to smudge with,
00:52:38.980 do not over harvest it. You know, a lot of our species of sage, especially like the California
00:52:44.740 white sage, selvia apiana is being terribly over harvested and over exploited. And so what I always
00:52:51.860 say is you can burn rosemary and it's fantastic. Even the, you know, the stuff you get at store in
00:52:58.660 a bottle, you know, put some of that in a dish and burn it. It's antimicrobial. It purifies the
00:53:04.480 air and there's plenty of it. You do not have to go out and exploit traditional indigenous medicine
00:53:10.440 in order to purify the air through burning of plants.
00:53:14.920 You know, there's just so many that you can do.
00:53:17.020 You can walk outside and grab some juniper off of your juniper bush
00:53:21.620 that's growing right outside of your yard
00:53:24.000 or maybe in the tree row across the street or something like that.
00:53:28.840 And you can, you know, get some of those juniper berries.
00:53:31.180 You don't have to use threatened or endangered species
00:53:34.820 just because somehow the media has taught you
00:53:37.860 that those plants are somehow more sacred than others all plants are sacred you know and so
00:53:43.380 of course they have different medicinal properties and that's fine but you know the point to burning
00:53:48.900 plants is to purify the air and there are lots of extremely common plants that have those properties
00:53:55.420 so breathing smudging making sure that you get outside in the sun as much as possible
00:54:01.820 that's difficult to do in northern climates where i am sitting right now in bismarck north dakota
00:54:07.140 We are expecting five inches of snow tonight in April.
00:54:11.660 So, you know, and that's fairly common.
00:54:13.680 So it's difficult to get out in the sun, but make sure that you're doing that as much as
00:54:17.660 possible, getting that gorgeous vitamin D.
00:54:20.580 Make sure that you are eating well, as I said earlier, making sure that, you know, you're
00:54:26.120 communicating and talking to people, being open to that.
00:54:30.260 You know, we are taught that the expression of emotion is something odd or something to
00:54:35.100 be ashamed of.
00:54:35.980 But, you know, I called my mother yesterday and I cried to her. I cried like a baby, I suppose, you know, and cried to my mom just about how stressed I am and about how difficult things are. And I felt so much better afterward.
00:54:51.820 And I then talked to my partner and I talked to my kids and we watched a movie together
00:54:57.500 and we took a walk and doing these things are just so important and so vital.
00:55:02.860 And, you know, showing love and appreciation for the plant nations, for the food that we're
00:55:08.620 eating, you know, even if they're animals, showing love and appreciation for the people
00:55:13.240 around us, not forgetting to have gratitude.
00:55:17.020 It's vital right now.
00:55:21.820 Looks like a mess we got
00:55:26.900 He won't come
00:55:30.260 Long for the ride
00:55:34.340 It's not a joke, no
00:55:39.180 It's some kind of bad idea
00:55:43.740 We made the road
00:55:46.360 We green the tree
00:55:50.400 You're gonna let this, let this
00:55:56.580 You're gonna let this come undone
00:56:00.520 You're gonna make this
00:56:04.400 Right
00:56:06.380 I feel so much better just from you saying all those things.
00:56:22.240 I was so riled up in my question and I was feeling like I didn't even realize it until
00:56:28.800 you said breathe and I was realizing that I was actually holding my breath and I had
00:56:33.360 all this tension in my chest and in my throat. And when you were explaining breathing, I actually
00:56:40.360 did that. And the amount of release I felt, as simple as that sounds, it almost is silly how
00:56:45.480 simple it is and how I know that I forget doing that. And when I'm holding my breath, the anxiety
00:56:51.400 that builds, it's really interesting somatically to experience that. And I just did it right now.
00:56:56.440 So that is really important for us to remember. And yeah, thank you also for speaking to the
00:57:02.360 plant medicine. I never thought about burning rosemary, but that's such a good idea. And it
00:57:06.720 reminded me of thyme or arugano. I know rosemary glow. Yeah. And I love that. And yeah, I am so
00:57:16.440 with you. We do not need to be using, especially for those of us who are not native to this land,
00:57:22.560 to Turtle Island, we don't need to be using sage. It's not necessary at all. There are
00:57:26.740 so many beautiful plants that are waiting for us to give them attention and to smell them rosemary
00:57:33.960 thyme oregano oh my gosh they're they're incredible i love culinary herbs like those and so many
00:57:40.920 others and yeah thank you for speaking to that because i think it's important for us to know
00:57:45.300 there are so many other plants available for us to interact with and you know it's not just no
00:57:52.640 to sage it's like but there's yes to all these other beautiful creatures that are wanting
00:57:56.980 our relationships so it's yeah it's like i wish i had a little rosemary with me right now so yeah
00:58:04.880 i really love those herbs and linda this has been so wonderful and i just i don't want to start
00:58:10.780 closing this conversation but i do want to make sure we talk about the survival meal kits that
00:58:17.480 you're preparing i was reading on facebook that you and your partner are preparing survival meal
00:58:22.240 kits for elders on Standing Rock and the Cheyenne River reservations. And so I mentioned this to
00:58:28.080 find out if listeners can support this cause, and if so, how? Thank you so much for mentioning that.
00:58:34.040 That's really kind of you. Yeah. So my partner and I are getting as many traditional ingredients
00:58:40.140 together as possible. So for example, wild rice and maple sugar, maple syrup, real dried hominy,
00:58:48.880 traditional beans things like that and we're even getting you know a lot of dried vegetables
00:58:55.300 together like dried vegetable mixes dried fruit traditional berries such as dried strawberries
00:59:01.440 blueberries raspberries things like that but we're also getting some non-traditional ingredients
00:59:06.560 together foods such as coffee and white flour and what else did our elders requests you know
00:59:15.620 It's things like that, that were very comforting to them.
00:59:18.560 Oh, oil, of course, for them to cook with.
00:59:21.980 And so we've been getting all of these items together and we're putting them into these kits.
00:59:28.920 We're using these 18 gallon totes and we're trying to put a month's worth, 30 days worth of food into each tote to give to elders on Standing Rock and Shine River and within our local communities.
00:59:43.340 our elders are petrified. They are so scared. And some of them are so frightened to go to the
00:59:49.900 grocery store that they're just not doing it. And there's no one else to bring them food. And so a
00:59:55.040 lot of them are going hungry, but they're too scared to go to the store right now because
00:59:59.720 they've been told that that's a hugely risky area for them. And of course they are at a higher risk
01:00:05.980 than most young people, or they tend to be at a higher risk. And so there are some of them I've
01:00:10.720 been seeing and I've been hearing stories about elders sitting in the parking lot of the Walmart
01:00:15.340 asking people to go in and buy groceries for them and bring them out and then wiping them down with
01:00:20.720 Clorox wipes once they get outside you know and it's especially on areas like Standing Rock and
01:00:26.340 Cheyenne River that are so remote some of our elders live two and a half hours from the nearest
01:00:31.620 Walmart two and a half hours from the nearest major grocery store so it's you know a very
01:00:36.900 difficult time for them. So we're putting these kits together, these 18 gallon totes,
01:00:41.540 and we'll be handing them out to as many elders as possible. We've actually received enough funds
01:00:47.000 to make more than 50. We had originally planned on 50. It's just my partner and I, and we don't
01:00:52.320 want to expose anyone or ourselves to other people right now because we're supposed to be in
01:00:58.680 quarantine. So it's just the two of us having these items delivered to our very tiny home.
01:01:04.180 And, you know, so it's a challenge, but we're getting it together and then we're going to hand them out. And with any of the funds that we have left over after these 50, we are going to make more kits that are the same with a lot of these beautiful, healthy foods and some other less traditional stuff.
01:01:22.260 And we are going to hand them out to displaced students, displaced families who may have, for instance, on the United Tribes campus, we have students who live in student housing and have nowhere else to go.
01:01:36.740 And so they've been sort of left without any options besides trying to run over to McDonald's and things like that.
01:01:44.080 So we'll start trying to make kits for them as well.
01:01:47.140 But we want to keep feeding elders as much as possible.
01:01:49.620 And we're using a lot of non-perishable foods.
01:01:52.900 Luckily, traditional indigenous foods, of course, tend to be very non-perishable.
01:01:57.300 So we're even including dried canned meat in these kits as well.
01:02:02.560 And if anyone wants to contribute to that, they can PayPal me at lynda.black.elk at gmail.com.
01:02:10.820 Or they can Venmo at lyndablackelk.
01:02:14.080 So thanks so much for asking that.
01:02:16.220 Oh, of course.
01:02:17.420 And it's such a beautiful offering.
01:02:20.840 And I was imagining these kits that you were creating and what a gift of not only physical
01:02:27.980 nourishment, but just the relief that these elders and other folks will know that they're
01:02:33.320 being cared for, that they're being thought of, that they're being acknowledged, that
01:02:37.380 they know that somebody is looking out for them.
01:02:39.700 I think just that alone, that care is so relieving and tender, and it reminds me of other things we've talked about in this conversation, just how to be patient and how to really care for people and plants and the earth, not just in this time, but especially in this time, and maybe this time is an awakening for even more people to start being in relationship in these ways.
01:03:07.080 And yeah, I love hearing what you're doing. And it's really inspirational. And maybe folks can not only donate, but also start doing something similar in their neighborhoods for their communities and mutual aid. And it's, yeah.
01:03:22.100 It's so important. And I also wanted to say we're including seed packets in all of these kits because we want to encourage people to grow their own food after this.
01:03:33.640 You know, it's really apparent that if we are growing our own food, we wouldn't be having this problem right now.
01:03:40.580 And I know it sounds strange, but elders have, you know, especially our elders, indigenous elders around here, they grew up gardening.
01:03:48.760 And so a lot of them already know how to do it. They just lack the resources such as the seeds to do it. So we're including these seed packets and we're of course going to include directions for each of those plants and offering to come and till a garden for them.
01:04:06.180 So I think, you know, we're not just trying to think 30 days ahead, but we're trying to
01:04:10.140 think much further ahead into the future with these kids as well.
01:04:13.440 Oh, I love that.
01:04:14.840 That is such an important part of these baskets or these kids just having the seeds in them.
01:04:20.820 It really goes with everything you've been saying in this conversation.
01:04:24.760 And it's just like it brings a smile to my face because along with all of the anxiety
01:04:30.200 and overwhelm of what's coming at us from all these directions to hear what you're tangibly
01:04:37.340 doing in this way. It's like, okay, we can focus our time. We can organize. We can take care of
01:04:43.180 others. We have a lot to do in this time, even if we're at home, even if we feel like we're bored
01:04:48.580 and we just need to watch Netflix shows. It's like, well, sure, put a Netflix show on while
01:04:53.180 you're making a basket for the elders. There's so much that we can be doing to take care of each
01:04:58.280 other and really build resiliency. And I love how you're doing things beyond just this 30 days,
01:05:03.740 because this is not going to be over soon. And whether or not COVID-19 ends in a few months,
01:05:12.300 climate change is here. Global capitalism and globalization, we're up against a lot that is
01:05:18.060 like a pandemic, but it is not called a pandemic. And so I do think we have to be taking this time
01:05:23.520 as a lesson to know that other things are coming and we can really learn so much right now. And
01:05:31.280 that in a weird way gives me hope to know that we can take this time, organize, become more resilient
01:05:38.740 in our communities. And so when the next thing hits, hopefully we'll be much more prepared than
01:05:45.800 we were this time around. So yeah, Linda, this has been such a beautiful conversation and I
01:05:50.720 could talk to you all day and I would love to hopefully have a follow-up conversation and
01:05:56.840 talk even more about plants and the land because I know you have so much to share and I feel really
01:06:02.380 honored and grateful that you spoke so directly to COVID-19 because we're not it's not something
01:06:08.300 that we've been talking to guests about so directly and I felt like you were somebody who
01:06:12.000 could speak to the pandemic with such a breath of wisdom and care and I really feel that
01:06:20.480 we need to hear your voice right now and of course other times as well but right now folks need
01:06:26.840 guidance and I know I do and so thank you for sharing this time with us thank you so much for
01:06:33.280 having me and and letting me speak and yeah I just wanted to say that you know anything that
01:06:39.340 I've said and anything that I know it all comes from my people my elders you know other knowledge
01:06:45.440 holders who have gifted me with what they know. And so I want to say thank you to all of them
01:06:51.980 and to you for having me and yeah, much wishes for good things for you and yours.
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