For The Wild - November 17, 2021


NIRIA ALICIA on Pockets of Joy in the Resistance ⧸260

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00:00:30.000 Hello and welcome to For the Wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young. Today I'll be speaking with Nidia
00:00:37.820 Alicia. You know, most people right now are probably waking up to get dressed and like get
00:00:45.240 on a Zoom call for a job that doesn't really, isn't really in conversation with like what
00:00:50.020 ancestors had planned for them to be. Nidia Alicia is a Chicana, Indigenea community organizer,
00:00:57.040 human rights advocate, educator, and storyteller dedicated to protecting the sacredness of Mother
00:01:03.740 Earth and the dignity of historically oppressed peoples and the more-than-human world. Born 500
00:01:10.500 years after Columbus's invasion in a migrant farm worker community, her struggle for love
00:01:16.740 and liberation exists at the intersections of migrant justice, climate justice, and indigenous
00:01:22.860 rights. In 2020, she was given the highest honor the UN awards young people by being named the
00:01:29.140 Young Champion of the Earth for North America. Nidia's proudest accomplishments and honors have
00:01:34.680 been learning how to make tortillas in the traditional way for her abuelita, growing her
00:01:39.720 first milpa from her family's heirloom corn seeds, and inheriting her great-great-grandmother's
00:01:45.540 mutate, a culturally significant ancestral tool made from lava rock that has the handprints of
00:01:52.160 the strong women she is proud to descend from.
00:01:58.440 Nydia, maybe for our listeners,
00:02:01.800 you could introduce yourself
00:02:05.720 in the way that you feel most,
00:02:11.160 yeah, just feel like who you want to,
00:02:16.460 who you want to share with us of who you are.
00:02:19.500 oh thank you Ayanna I'm so moved to be having this conversation right now it is um you know
00:02:27.700 we're we're living and feeling the energies of this full moon in October so definitely want to
00:02:34.940 just ask for um for our grandmother moon to be with us in this conversation you know I was driving
00:02:43.960 yesterday looking at her and I'm like, wow, like this grandmother has like known every single one
00:02:49.820 of my ancestors. And I was just really, really moved by that. But yeah, like you said, my name
00:02:56.880 is Miria Alicia. I'm Chicana indígena, born and raised on Tekelma territory. It's where I learned
00:03:04.400 to be human. My ancestors on my mother's side come from Purepechan Matlasintla territory and
00:03:11.420 so-called Michoacan. I'm from the Garcia Miranda family. My family is from Las Pilas, and that's
00:03:18.440 how I identify myself when I'm home there. People know me. People know what that means and who my
00:03:25.380 people are. On my dad's side, we're from Raramuri territory in a town called Santa Barbara Chihuahua
00:03:35.380 from the Torres Macias family uh and yeah I I guess like I was sharing with you earlier I'm
00:03:45.300 I'm just sitting deeply with this question of like what does it mean to be alive in this time
00:03:53.940 um given that I you know I was born in 1992 you know I'm a millennial I was born 500 years
00:04:02.160 after colonization, you know, after 1492.
00:04:07.880 And so, yeah, I'm just, you know, thinking about my ancestors
00:04:11.680 and what was their reality back then
00:04:15.400 and trusting that they sent me here at this time.
00:04:19.300 I've been sitting with this question of who do I need to be
00:04:23.040 for future generations 500 years from today?
00:04:27.260 And so I'm so happy to be having this conversation with you
00:04:30.860 and more so exploring some of these questions together.
00:04:35.400 Well, I love how we just kind of jumped into this official interview
00:04:42.020 from having a very personal sister catch up
00:04:46.820 and how that's all kind of snowballing into each other.
00:04:51.260 And I loved how you spoke to the question of
00:04:55.840 what are you most impassioned by
00:04:57.660 and what is your work in this moment?
00:04:59.280 because I know that you've had your toes in so many streams and it's so interesting but I guess
00:05:10.600 at the same time really understandable that we're sitting with a really similar question because
00:05:17.100 we're you know soulmates I think in this life and when you're speaking to what is it to be human in
00:05:24.180 this time I'm so deeply in that question myself but what you had brought up which I think was
00:05:32.240 really interesting that I haven't personally been exploring is how that connects with your lineage
00:05:39.020 like what is it to be human in this time with the lineage that you came from and what is your role
00:05:46.000 in community resilience based off your ancestry and all that you've come from so I want to just
00:05:56.260 dig a little deeper into that and hear you speak to how your lineage is guiding
00:06:03.980 the questions and the way that you're showing up right right thank you so much for that question
00:06:11.800 And I mean, if I if I put it in the context of 500 years, as a people, we have been stripped of so much, you know, through colonization, through capitalism, through white supremacy.
00:06:24.660 and I've known this my whole life but I think I'm just finally at a point in my life where I'm
00:06:31.100 getting braver and just saying this out loud to myself that I very much believe that my purpose
00:06:39.780 for existing is to reclaim my ancestral ways in the midst of so much death and collapse around me
00:06:47.800 and part of that has been like the restoration of spirituality of of our spirituality and it's
00:06:57.080 interesting that that you know we're sitting with these questions because this year actually in my
00:07:01.840 tradition i'm gonna i'm gonna be receiving my name and and the way that that happens for us
00:07:06.780 is our godmother of ceremony she they read our birth chart um and it's similar to like you know
00:07:13.340 gemini aquarius capricorn blah blah blah but like in a lot of different cultures i think our
00:07:21.620 ancestors left us a lot of useful tools to understand who we are and the energies the
00:07:28.280 cosmic energies that guide us and that influence who we are and this year i had i had i had my
00:07:34.980 birth chart read to me and a lot of it made sense but a lot of it also made me you know think about
00:07:43.320 and ask myself like what did what did humans forget like what did we forget right like I
00:07:52.920 you know I I practice my culture I believe in my culture I believe in these things that
00:07:58.020 these my ancestors left for me these ancestral technologies that they left by way of songs by
00:08:05.060 prayers, uh, by way of, of life ways, um, so that I wouldn't get lost so that I would have meaning
00:08:13.280 and purpose. And I would understand my existence and relationship to others. And it's painful to
00:08:19.120 see that like, as a human, like humanity has lost so much of that, you know, most people right now
00:08:25.900 are probably waking up to get dressed and like get on a zoom call for a job that doesn't really,
00:08:32.780 isn't really in conversation with like what ancestors had planned for them to be right um
00:08:38.320 there's so many things that influence us and we give priority to right like and I just think that
00:08:45.660 our life is so much more precious than that the preciousness you brought this word up twice
00:08:52.720 since we've been talking and you reference that word in relation to your own life and how you're
00:09:03.100 choosing to take the next steps and you have some pretty big steps ahead of you with your work so I
00:09:12.300 want to explore this word preciousness and how you're feeling its relation to you and and maybe
00:09:19.780 even to the earth and what it means for the earth to be seen as precious in this time yeah i mean
00:09:29.520 so i'll tell you the story of like where the where how i've become so like how i've been so in touch
00:09:36.560 with this word of preciousness um i was driving actually from dc to new york after a full week of
00:09:44.420 direct actions with the people versus fossil fuel right you know we're in the middle of
00:09:49.840 climate change and politicians are still not moving a finger on like getting us as a society
00:09:57.420 to where we need to be to begin to recover and to survive climate change and I thought to myself
00:10:07.960 how can it be possible like no other living being destroys their own habitat yet like
00:10:17.560 we are doing it like our our species is intentionally poisoning our water destroying
00:10:27.740 land things that we rely on and so you know I'm like what are people thinking like what did we
00:10:39.100 forget um why are we so disoriented as a humanity as to how much we need to realign our priorities
00:10:46.640 with life and I was just deep in thought as I was driving up and I looked to the side and there's
00:10:53.000 this beaver and this beaver is just you know digging a hole and like gathering its branches
00:10:58.500 and then I look up at the sky and the birds are flying together harmoniously they're probably
00:11:05.840 going somewhere where they know they need to go like they didn't forget what they came here to do
00:11:15.040 like you know we see we hear about oil spills and I don't know I think I saw somewhere on my
00:11:21.620 newsfeed how like you know who are the first people to respond to oil spills beavers like
00:11:26.500 they know that their purpose is to take care of water and to help the river stay clean and so I
00:11:33.420 think about how precious beavers are and wise how wise they are I think about how precious salmon
00:11:39.760 are and how wise they are and birds and then I want to hold I want to keep humans in that same
00:11:48.440 light like that we we are also just as precious and just as wise so um what is it going to take
00:11:58.220 for us to remember what we were called here to do you know like our unique precious purpose
00:12:07.860 and service to ourselves to mother earth and all the other life forms that we share this existence
00:12:15.060 with whoo take us there nydia damn yes what is it gonna be oh gosh i've i have had that question
00:12:28.760 probably every day um one thing that you were mentioning at the beginning of your response was
00:12:38.900 you were coming from a movement uh event you know the politicians and this is something that you've
00:12:47.580 been working within the systems for a long time through sustain us i mean you've done a lot of
00:12:55.220 policy work you've done a lot of grassroots work you've been really at the intersection
00:12:59.700 between so much movement building with frontline defenders spiritual leaders and
00:13:07.920 politicians and un uh conferences i mean yeah it's an interesting intersection to be at and
00:13:16.040 we are just days away from cop 26 i don't even know what cop is okay um what are you thinking
00:13:28.360 about these not just conferences but also ways in which grassroots community frontline needs are
00:13:40.580 being heard by the people in power in politics in corporate power how are you seeing that work
00:13:52.960 at this point since you've been grinding in it for so many years yeah yeah that question you know
00:14:00.560 because we're i'm i think yesterday i was texting with a friend about i was with them out there for
00:14:06.760 cop 25 in 2019 and then of course the pandemic happened so there was no gathering and there was
00:14:13.020 no change like these international gatherings i think have a lot of power in what they do
00:14:21.540 I wouldn't say necessarily for the policy like yes it's important to be working to solve these
00:14:30.520 issues at all levels but in the several times that I've been there what I think those spaces
00:14:38.980 have really actually I think the role that they play is they provide a space for all of us you
00:14:49.120 I'm not talking about politicians and polluters, right?
00:14:55.140 COP is funded by polluters
00:14:57.500 and the solutions are not going to come from COP.
00:15:01.040 I'm sorry.
00:15:03.060 Solutions happen there because people like us show up.
00:15:08.940 We meet each other.
00:15:10.260 We listen to each other.
00:15:11.760 We grieve together.
00:15:12.900 We pray together.
00:15:13.980 We rally together and we build together.
00:15:16.920 That to me has been the moments where I feel most powerful and most effective when I'm, you know, in a prayer circle with indigenous youth from all over the world.
00:15:28.500 And we're just getting to witness each other and really just see how much we're trying to help humanity in this time, right?
00:15:36.600 We're trying to help everybody remember what it is that we're meant to be doing as humans in this time.
00:15:45.120 And, you know, some people listen, some people don't. But ultimately, I think that
00:15:51.780 those times really serve us as a global community to remember that the real work starts at home
00:16:00.200 and that the solutions are never going to come from the top down. Like, yes, we should still
00:16:06.960 show up to rally and say, hey, you need to do better. You need to represent us. Yes. And
00:16:12.840 it's important for us to not overlook how much power and meaning and energy we get from just
00:16:22.840 showing up and meeting people all over the world who are caring and fighting for the same issue
00:16:27.140 because when you're talking about solving climate change it can be a little bit abstract
00:16:30.440 but then you go and you meet people who like also care about this global issue and you're like oh
00:16:36.200 wait, like I'm going to show up to my community meeting today and advocate for inclusion for my
00:16:43.380 community, for better housing, better living conditions, because I know that my friend
00:16:47.720 in South Africa is going to show up to her city hall meetings. And she may be the only one that
00:16:52.540 stands up and speaks for the climate, but we're not alone. So as I'm thinking about these meetings,
00:16:59.800 I'm just like yeah let's not let's not overlook how powerful we are right I think a lot of times
00:17:06.500 we like will look towards politicians because they quote-unquote hold the power but really
00:17:11.560 the power has always been in the people.
00:17:29.800 La mujer que tiene besos y plumas en la piel
00:17:36.180 Y mi sangre, y mi sangre la entrego a la tierra 0.99
00:17:43.740 Ya no tengo un golpe en la cara
00:17:50.840 Yo soy la que me salva 0.99
00:17:54.420 La mujer que anda destapada
00:17:58.400 I feel so aligned with what you're speaking to.
00:18:26.040 and i want to explore this idea more of the power of the people and what it really does mean to show
00:18:38.180 up in your local community and get involved and get engaged and understand the issues
00:18:44.240 i know that there's been so much happening in your home community of oregon with your parents
00:18:52.020 with I mean I could go on but I want you to go on about this so I'll just pause there and
00:18:58.740 would love to hear from you about showing up and about what it means to be locally engaged
00:19:07.620 and take the power back it is an uphill battle like I'm not gonna even lie or be like we could
00:19:18.900 do it because it's hard and for yeah i guess i could just explain a little bit about um how
00:19:24.700 climate change is unfolding in my local my hometown um last year september 8th of 2020
00:19:31.140 the rogue valley in southern oregon was impacted and hit really hard by the almeida fire um
00:19:40.760 people call it a wildfire but it i i have a hard time calling it a wildfire because
00:19:46.400 that fire was in city limits it burnt down almost 3 000 homes in a small in two small rural towns
00:19:58.100 one of those homes was my father's home and my community accounted for 70 percent of the
00:20:05.940 structural losses reported by the state of oregon and so you know like like i shared i've been to
00:20:12.240 COP, I've been advocating for global leaders to mitigate the crisis, to account for loss and
00:20:20.880 damages. Almost 3,000 households lost their home. And you can bet, we're doing community-based
00:20:28.420 research right now back home to be able to quantify and prove with numbers that a large
00:20:36.240 majority of that over 50 percent of those people who lost their homes were folks of color disabled
00:20:43.520 folks poor folks and so as you know Oregon is a predominantly white state I think for many years
00:20:52.540 it was it it like took pride in being like it like wanted to be the perfect white state and
00:21:00.480 like had you know I think the KKK was still marching in my hometown in like the late 90s 0.72
00:21:05.420 And so what happens, this wildfire burns out the poor and the people of color out of these towns. And now for the past year, we've been showing up to city hall meetings, showing up wherever we need to show up to say, yo, like, don't forget about us.
00:21:22.300 Like it's been a year. And as as we already expected, because we know how climate change and injustice plays out, the the few houses that are getting rebuilt are houses that are owned by middle class white families. 0.63
00:21:36.720 Meanwhile, the mobile home parks where my dad lived, where farm workers, construction workers, people who work in the service industry, people of color, veterans, poor white communities too, those mobile home parks are still empty, a lot of them.
00:21:57.800 and the ones that aren't empty are filled by FEMA trailers you know temporary housing right I mean
00:22:07.260 it just it's completely bizarre that uh the key people the essential workers in our economy
00:22:13.140 that their housing is treated as temporary right like we have families who've who've moved into
00:22:18.560 their FEMA homes and are like this is temporary like where am I gonna go like nobody's rebuilding
00:22:23.540 for me um we were we were in negotiations with a park owner because we're like all right like
00:22:29.540 let me to make sure that families have ownership right a lot of families were burnt out and we're
00:22:35.940 at the hands at they were at we were at the mercy of owners of these mobile home parks who live in
00:22:41.960 canada who live in korea who are just international investors that don't really care about the people
00:22:47.360 yet have so much power on the everyday realities of local communities and I just think to myself
00:22:55.380 we cannot continue to perpetuate and normalize and think that this is okay uh when families are
00:23:03.220 living in garages you know this summer was really really hard because as you know our community is
00:23:08.880 facing massive amounts of PTSD and we we experienced hazardous smoke quality for about
00:23:16.020 half the summer and uh last year my friend and i um we were able to fundraise some money with
00:23:23.680 crowdfunding and and we got together with a community right because you know this is where
00:23:27.620 i'm from people know me they're like i wanted to have open discussion with impacted families
00:23:32.920 and elders to be like all right we're gonna set the priorities together of who's gonna get this
00:23:37.900 money and we you know one family uh was that we were in touch with was living in a garage with
00:23:44.360 the newborn without any proper ventilation. And I'm just like, can we not do this? Can we
00:23:52.320 create and imagine a different way of living and being on the land? And yeah, it's exhausting. To
00:23:59.960 be honest, it's exhausting because it feels like people don't care. People act like they don't
00:24:04.160 care. But like I shared with you, what gives me so much strength that helps me keep showing up
00:24:11.480 is knowing that like I said one of my friends who also understands climate injustice is going to
00:24:16.360 keep showing up to her local meetings and and so I feel less alone showing up because I know that
00:24:22.280 I'm a part of a larger web of of people who understand how important it is to show up right
00:24:28.580 now and to more than anything show up locally to what is happening in your town yeah it's really
00:24:38.280 sick how the united states particularly and so many of the u.s citizens treat immigrants and
00:24:49.560 farm workers in this extremely classist way and really in so many ways only see them as
00:24:57.960 what they can give to the economy or to food production but not as humans who have their
00:25:06.320 own lives and their own families and rituals and you know it's it's very dehumanizing what right
00:25:14.420 what i know your community has gone through and with your mom and dad um you know and the history
00:25:23.240 of their work and how compartmentalized their work is from environmental work quote unquote
00:25:31.300 and climate justice work it's like they're not asked um even though they're so much closer to
00:25:37.700 the land than these politicians are they don't because of classism they're not treated with the
00:25:43.980 respect or respected for their wisdoms so i don't know if you could speak to your parents and
00:25:50.440 how you see their roles in being wisdom keepers of climate change and land relations.
00:26:03.920 Yeah, I mean, thank you for uplifting them. As you know, I love them so much. And I'm so proud
00:26:09.680 to be their daughter, right? Like, my dad and my mom don't call themselves activists. But they are
00:26:17.840 by definition very much so activists who've been resisting the system and like doing so many
00:26:26.980 beautiful things like my dad um when he first came to the united states he planted over eight
00:26:35.320 million trees in the pacific northwest like he he intimately knows these forests like i think i was
00:26:43.360 I was out at ceremony with the Winnemum one time and I was telling him that I was going to go to
00:26:48.480 to ceremony with them near Shasta and he's like oh you're going to Shasta I I know that I know
00:26:55.240 that mountain like oh yeah I planted trees all over there you know like it's a beautiful place
00:27:00.760 I was like oh dang dad like really he's like yeah he he spent 12 years as a northwest tree
00:27:06.580 planner I'm like dang I wonder how much carbon your labor is sequestering right now
00:27:12.900 um and but he doesn't because he's not an activist right he's not a climate justice
00:27:17.540 activist even though he's planted millions of trees and my mom on my mom's side we are you know
00:27:25.180 agriculture people we have inherited family seeds and um my mom for the past uh I would say
00:27:36.340 at least 10 years now, she went back to Mexico and brought some of those seeds with her from
00:27:43.680 our family, right? These are seeds that my family has had for hundreds of years, and she has been
00:27:49.980 growing them. And I'm like, wow, you are keeping biodiversity alive. And as you uphold a thousand
00:27:59.180 year old ancestral responsibility in the middle of climate change and like you're
00:28:06.320 you rely less on grocery stores because you have seeds that you grow for you for your for what you
00:28:13.860 need and um I think it's such a it's such a we I think as a society we need to reframe
00:28:23.640 and rethink how we think about immigrant communities, communities of color, like completely.
00:28:31.200 I think there's this narrative of like, we need to help frontline communities. We need to help
00:28:37.440 poor people of color. I'm sorry, we are not poor. We are, you know, economically exploited,
00:28:44.920 but we are incredibly wealthy and rich in culture, in traditions, in Cosmo visions.
00:28:52.180 I didn't share this earlier, but like when the days after the fire happened, we were phone banking a lot of families and I ended up phone banking, you know, hundreds of people.
00:29:06.160 And the difference culturally that I noticed when I, when I interacted with like Americans versus interacting with like Latinos or indigenous families is that when I was interacting with like, you know, American families, there was like this sense of like, you know, anger and like frustration and like almost like they were angry at me.
00:29:34.620 and I was like oh my gosh I'm just like trying to help but they were like upset right they're like
00:29:40.420 very rightfully so upset with like I need a bed and like you know where is FEMA and you know
00:29:48.060 very rightfully so um and I could see that it was probably very hard because you know they haven't
00:29:55.880 been let down by the system. Maybe, maybe never. But when I was phone banking, like my community,
00:30:05.180 you know, offering them hotel rooms, we were trying to get families into hotel rooms.
00:30:09.640 Almost every single person that I called was so grateful that somebody was reaching out to them
00:30:17.000 to make sure they were okay. And almost every single family that I called declined support.
00:30:25.880 not because they didn't need it but because they wanted to make sure that we were giving that
00:30:32.160 support to who really needed it you know i had one family who was like yeah i'm staying with my
00:30:37.580 brother-in-law um there's three of us there's like 20 of us in a two-bedroom apartment we're
00:30:42.660 sleeping on the floor but we're okay please give that room to somebody who really needs it and i'm
00:30:48.320 like that right there is cultural wisdom like is ancestral uh technology right how we orient to
00:30:58.420 each other in moments of crisis and I'm like how do we normalize that how do we um make that the
00:31:07.900 way that we we treat each other how does that become mainstream like crisis is happening like
00:31:13.400 3 000 families lost their home what if everybody was like well who really needs it instead of like
00:31:20.260 i need it i don't care about the other people like i need it like and i think that's i think
00:31:26.560 that our communities have a lot to teach the world as far as what resilience is because we're in a
00:31:35.000 perpetual practice of being resilient because of how left out we are by the system and so it's not
00:31:41.880 so much that we need to help frontline communities or folks of color society needs to let itself be
00:31:50.060 helped by the wisdom and power that we have cultivated for thousands of years
00:31:54.920 yeah the entitlement of those who have more is really strange
00:32:09.620 it's just shows a type of to me it shows a type of deep loneliness and spiritual bankruptcy
00:32:20.240 so I want to explore this idea of spiritual bankruptcy a bit more with you because I know
00:32:28.300 you've been on such a journey with your own spiritual practices with other spiritual leaders
00:32:35.080 You know, you've spoken many times in this conversation about ritual and prayer and coming back to that as not necessarily that you're calling it a solution, but as people are struggling to find solutions for the predicament you're in, I feel like you continually come back to the earth in prayer and say, hold up.
00:32:58.380 Like, before we create carbon sequestering plants and, you know, just crazy ideas, like, let's come back to this wisdom that is so much more powerful than any intellectual solution that we'll ever create.
00:33:17.040 um so yeah I'd like to just hear about your spiritual journey and how that relates to
00:33:25.560 the spiritual bankruptcy of this time oof that is such a heavy question
00:33:34.840 and yeah I mean we're not just
00:33:43.700 in a climate crisis we're also living in a massive spiritual crisis we're not tending
00:33:54.660 to ancestors. We're not tending to the elements. We're not singing songs together. We're not
00:34:06.680 dancing together. We're not doing the things that creator asked us to do. In terms of this question,
00:34:16.860 I'm like thinking of this memory. I'm remembering one morning, uh, the day after the closing
00:34:25.060 ceremony, uh, on run for salmon. I, there's these amazing Pomo brothers, um, uh, Pomo relatives,
00:34:35.040 they're, uh, um, Gary and Stewie and they come on this journey, uh, to help hold the song and
00:34:42.620 the prayer with us and so every morning it's like one of I think it's everybody's favorite thing on
00:34:48.640 the run is waking up to Uncle Gary singing and on the last day I remember waking up at like sunrise
00:34:56.100 and just you know coming out of my dream space um into this into his song and I got out of my tent
00:35:04.040 and I I walked down to the river and there and there was uh Uncle Gary and Stewie and they're
00:35:10.740 just singing really really old beautiful traditional songs and I didn't go down there
00:35:16.640 because I didn't want to bother them I just I just let the song vibrate off the mountain and like you
00:35:22.080 know just receive that music and that prayer and that vibration and it was like this moment where
00:35:29.620 i looked down and i saw them father and son waking up to to like sing and pray and i thought you know
00:35:41.340 i don't know if it was like a download or like a moment where i was able to remember like
00:35:47.160 ancestrally like something but i it dawned on me that like creator made this world perfect
00:35:56.240 like creator gave us everything water gave us animal relatives to teach us about medicines and
00:36:02.640 food to like you know to eat to to be alive all creator asked us was to take care
00:36:10.620 of mother earth like that's the only thing that was asked of us right and like how do we take
00:36:20.260 care of mother earth by like singing and praying to her and being with her, um, humbling ourselves
00:36:27.040 to how grand she is and how, how, how pitiful we are as humans, you know? And I, I just became so
00:36:39.000 moved. I was, I think that moment really changed me because I realized, you know, how much those
00:36:47.180 types of things matter you know how much and the importance of our ceremonies right like our
00:36:54.080 ceremonies are times where we where we get together where we talk to our ancestors where we
00:36:58.620 pray where we ask for guidance there's so much more in this world than what meets the eye there
00:37:04.900 are so many energies and beings around us that really just want to help us and yeah that's why
00:37:10.780 I think in order to respond to the spiritual crisis, it's so important for us to just get
00:37:19.960 together and circle and pray and sing, right? Like, you know, we could do all, I honestly,
00:37:25.620 I think humanity's overthinking the solutions to this problem. To be completely honest,
00:37:31.680 we're overdoing it. Like, oh, we're gonna, you know, like all it's like, actually,
00:37:37.700 we just need to sit in circle and pray and like how about we we give thanks for like this food
00:37:44.460 and just dance and be in our joy and like work with joy and be in our dignity and respect each
00:37:51.920 other's dignity and right to be here and like precious purpose trusting that ancestors have
00:37:58.860 sent every single person here to fulfill a unique role that only that person can play that is how
00:38:05.780 precious and special we are right and so i think in this moment of like spiritual bankruptcy it's
00:38:11.140 so important for us to make time to really be in that conversation with the more than human world
00:38:17.720 and and do some deep listening as to what is our unique purpose your unique purpose my unique
00:38:24.620 purpose i think the more we do we do that the more clear the solutions will become
00:38:35.780 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
00:38:44.960 Inside I feel like loving, like crystals, like rain.
00:38:51.980 Inside I feel like rain.
00:38:59.160 Inside I feel like rain when I realize like rain.
00:39:05.780 Words like sacrifice
00:39:08.560 Ooh-oh-oh-oh-oh
00:39:14.660 Ooh-oh-oh-oh-oh
00:39:18.480 Ooh-oh-oh-oh-oh
00:39:22.020 Ooh-oh-oh-oh-oh
00:39:25.520 I'm beside myself
00:39:28.440 Whenever you leave me
00:39:32.740 I'll be too far
00:39:35.360 what you were speaking to about taking care oh gosh care this word is so overlooked and I think
00:39:50.620 in so many ways this dominant culture has conditioned us to forget what care is what
00:40:00.080 it feels like for us what it feels like to receive it what it feels like to give it
00:40:04.980 And I think maybe our, that, you know, this, and I say, you know, I, I'm careful when using our, this, this kind of generality, this general word, but I think this forgetting of care has allowed us as a dominant culture to then overthink solutions.
00:40:29.320 so i want to hear you speak to what what care looks like like if if we could just spend a
00:40:38.600 moment imagining a dream or a future of what care looks like what what do we need how do we get away
00:40:48.160 from these false solutions that keep us so distracted and keep us working so hard for a
00:40:57.500 lifestyle that only keeps us from fulfilling our purpose and actually loving each other and and
00:41:06.720 just to also say the gratitude the gratitude piece i mean how many times at cop 26 when somebody's
00:41:14.640 doing a panel about carbon sequestration are they talking about gratitude i i've never heard it so
00:41:21.780 um yeah just I'd love to take a moment with you to dream into I don't want to call it a care
00:41:28.580 economy I've heard that being used but you know whatever words we want to use for I mean and then
00:41:33.940 yeah even even that like the care economy all these terms I'm like that's overdoing it
00:41:40.760 can't we just be relational can we just have a conversation can we um truly just understand that
00:41:50.300 like my wellness is intertwined and dependent on the wellness of those around me right like
00:42:01.340 sometimes I have like I don't really understand this thing with like self-care because I don't
00:42:07.760 really see myself like I understand who I am in relationship to like everything and everyone
00:42:16.280 around me right so it's like how can I care like I'm never really ever caring for myself because
00:42:22.520 there's always other things that are caring for me and I think that's maybe something we should
00:42:29.380 we should explore uh right I'm thinking about the the weeks during the quarantine you know right
00:42:38.540 when the pandemic happened um and it's still happening but right when it started do you
00:42:43.320 remember all those pictures of how clean the the canals in Italy and how the fish had come back
00:42:51.160 and there's all those images of like the wolves and the coyotes coming onto the streets in San
00:42:56.320 Francisco and I was like wow maybe we just need to stop like just stop like stop and let everything
00:43:06.500 else do what they know to do because we're the ones who are lost like the wolves know what they're
00:43:12.640 doing the salmon sure as hell know what they need to be doing we need to just pause
00:43:18.560 and you know i i say that because i know pause is a privilege um and i also recognize that for
00:43:29.180 some of us it's not an option like you know i'm thinking about all of our relatives at line three
00:43:34.420 who can't you know who can't fully stop right i'm sure like and i know i don't also don't want to
00:43:41.140 like over over project the story that like yes the front lines are hard but there's also a lot
00:43:47.820 of joy in in the resistance that is happening right now for mother earth I don't want to
00:43:53.140 overlook that you know when when I'm out there it's I feel powerful I feel in my purpose but
00:43:59.700 yeah it's like what what do we need to be doing as a as a collective to actually let ourselves feel
00:44:08.500 cared for in this moment um because life just life wants to live and the life around us wants
00:44:18.140 to live the question is does humanity want to continue to live um that's i think like as a
00:44:27.000 species we need to sit in circle and actually have this conversation all right my fellow humans do we
00:44:32.980 want to continue to exist as a species because we deeply understand that if we continue to operate
00:44:37.920 in the way that we're doing it we're pushing ourselves into our own extinction um yeah I
00:44:44.800 don't know what else to say well this is a perfect transition this oh my gosh yeah this question do
00:44:55.060 we want to continue to live and it brings up the word well I won't even say it because I'm just
00:45:02.160 going to read a quote from your instagram and i'll just say i think instagram is weird but
00:45:10.300 nidia's is worth following because there's some real truths in there and um so okay you wrote
00:45:17.500 i chopped wood for hours and just reflected on the fact that people talk about our movements
00:45:23.760 getting infiltrated by the government or getting co-opted by the state or saviors but how many
00:45:29.960 times was it our own baggage our own ego our own traumas getting in the way of us actualizing
00:45:37.240 collective liberation how many times is it us sabotaging our liberation because we refuse to
00:45:45.640 heal that's deep i wrote that and so the word sabotage like what i feel like what you were
00:45:56.700 just speaking to was this grand sabotage of our species of our humanity of our hearts
00:46:05.800 so yeah speak to that for us just let's let's go down the wormhole of us sabotaging ourselves
00:46:14.680 I mean, yeah. Self-sabotage. Whoa, that is a major topic. I think the older I get
00:46:28.000 doing this work, the more aware I become of just this painful reality that we're not all
00:46:39.880 going to make it and I can't continue to um stress my nervous system or like rely on other people
00:46:52.200 understanding what times we're in and like getting them to change the way you know just getting other
00:47:02.500 people to change like and at the end of the day the the our truest power lies within our ability
00:47:08.160 to heal and transform ourselves and so i think that it's so important for us to find those other
00:47:17.260 people who understand what time it is and who want to move and be open to um letting spirit move us
00:47:28.100 in the direction that we need to move to actually make it out of this alive and i mean nobody gets
00:47:34.300 out alive everybody dies in the end so like let's not take life too seriously uh but let's try
00:47:42.180 like let's try to find a way and find a path to where humanity can be restored to its full splendor
00:47:55.320 to where there is a day not far from today
00:48:00.200 where we will wake up and remember
00:48:03.320 why the creator and ancestors put us here
00:48:07.900 and like what our unique and precious purpose was
00:48:13.380 and will continue to be.
00:48:17.380 I was just thinking of the listeners out there
00:48:22.260 that maybe in this cycle of self-sabotage and trauma and ego death and grief and frustration
00:48:32.860 and maybe this feeling of where do I belong or how do I exist in this world or how can I make a
00:48:40.460 difference and I had this question of like well Nadia what would you tell them or you know what
00:48:45.280 ritual would you give them and I'm kind of like well this whole episode is you know what the
00:48:50.880 I mean I feel like everything you're saying is speaking to maybe even the little ones in us like that the little ones inside of us that feel scared or feel confused by this time and yeah because I you know it's obviously not just the polluters who are sabotaging it's not just the quote bad guys
00:49:20.880 eye like this poison is now i think within all of us which is heartbreaking to admit to that
00:49:29.180 this type of whether we want to call it wheat to go or this type of um you know maybe the colonized
00:49:38.200 mind or heart i think you know even like i'll speak personally i it feels like a practice
00:49:46.980 every day for me to deal with the poison that is inside of me and to not allow that poison to
00:49:54.600 sabotage my relation to my relationship to the earth to other humans to myself um
00:50:02.200 so i don't know if you want to you know share a personal story of self-sabotage and how you got
00:50:09.920 through it or or you know not the sabotage of of the other but the sabotage within our movement
00:50:17.980 spaces within ourselves um yeah maybe a story or maybe small practices you know of course not the
00:50:25.920 complex solution practices but like the the little things that we can do to move past
00:50:32.720 really the story of separation and um yeah yeah well it's so special to be having this conversation
00:50:43.640 um at the end of October on a full moon because um in my tradition
00:50:49.380 that we use the end of October beginning of November as a time where we
00:50:55.080 where we believe that our ancestors on the other side come back to visit us
00:51:01.120 and um how do we tend to this self-sabotage that lives inside of us well I think it really is a
00:51:12.780 symbol it's like it's time that we just begin to cultivate our relationship with our ancestors
00:51:18.780 right like who are we not just who are we in this lifetime but who have we been as a people right
00:51:27.540 um you know whiteness didn't exist in the six in like the 1500s that was not a thing
00:51:34.880 Hispanic what is that you know I think about my ancestors coming back and like filling out
00:51:41.060 a census from they'd be like I'm none of this Latino what is that oh my god like I'm just a
00:51:48.120 person who lives on this part of the land and tends to this um to to like this community
00:51:54.480 and so it's hard because we're like society is so lost and far removed from like
00:52:02.260 the ancestral technologies and tools that were given to us by all of our ancestors literally
00:52:09.540 everybody has um tools practices rituals songs sacred places where ancestors have gone to
00:52:21.140 for healing for guidance um and it's it's time that we act like that stuff matters
00:52:28.780 more than what we're seeing on our phones more than what commercials we're seeing more than
00:52:35.740 what you know new you know you know to say there's so many distractions right now in the world about
00:52:43.680 you know that are tricking us into believing that like new cars every year matter and like
00:52:48.880 getting the latest gucci bag matters matters for what right like um it's so important in this time
00:52:58.200 as we as we as the portal between um the living and those on the other side gets thinner um not
00:53:07.580 just for like dia de los muertos and what that means to to us but also in the larger context
00:53:15.340 of climate change right there's a massive portal of death that is opening um that a lot of our
00:53:20.980 people are going through you know i've lost so many people this year uh since the pandemic um
00:53:26.700 we're all there's also mass extinction happening and it's important that we cultivate that
00:53:31.920 relationship with those that are on the other side to be able to understand how we can be in
00:53:37.880 service to life while we are still on this side who and it's not it's it's not we don't have to
00:53:45.540 overthink it i don't know it's and it's a lifelong journey it's a practice you know like sometimes
00:53:51.640 when i i get in all kinds of funks about um different things but in the end you know it's
00:53:59.540 it's important for us to like go to those places where we feel um the essence of who we of who we
00:54:07.000 are beyond what society and those around us think that we are like it's important that we cultivate
00:54:13.780 that because I think that is the doorway and um and the the head of the trail towards the path of
00:54:21.400 like finding out who who we're meant to be oh Nadia this has been such a profoundly beautiful
00:54:29.400 conversation for my heart I know for the people listening this will move so many hearts um
00:54:37.980 so thanks thanks for being with us thanks for being with me oh thank you um I just wanted to
00:54:45.540 I I just wanted to share something that that I wrote about this question of like of joy right
00:54:52.200 because I think sometimes um when we when I when we talk about our ancestors and what our ancestors
00:54:58.100 went through um we we hold them in a light of like oh my gosh they endured so much hardship
00:55:04.240 um but there's this conversation that i was having with some of my ancestors um a couple months ago
00:55:11.080 where they were like don't they anyways i'm just gonna i'm just gonna read the piece but um
00:55:15.820 i wrote um the insight that came through was that um liberation is not a destination it is a journey
00:55:23.500 and it is the moments of peace and joy we create along the way in the face of struggle
00:55:29.720 some of my ancestors corrected me in prayer the other day they told me stop crying over us or
00:55:35.840 praying for us like we were martyrs like we were like we never had joy like we never were free in
00:55:41.000 our struggle we were the most free in our choice to rebel to fight and to die and they showed me
00:55:48.100 those moments, the times that they laughed around a fire, not knowing if they would wake up a lot,
00:55:53.640 times they sang songs together, the times they made each other laugh, and the bedtime prayers
00:55:59.820 and morning prayers they said to stay anchored in their gratitude and surrender to the will of
00:56:04.620 creator. The truth is that many of my ancestors died at the hands of colonizers. My great-grandmother
00:56:11.680 as a child spent several years living in caves and riverbanks getting tracked by the military.
00:56:16.220 she saw her father get ripped away from her by the military to be taken to the top of the mountain
00:56:23.280 with many other men to meet his death so how powerful that even in those moments of struggle
00:56:29.940 and of life or death our ancestors created rituals of liberation moments in time spaces where they
00:56:36.500 could experience the beauty of life and joy and we must commit to rituals that liberate us as much
00:56:44.000 as we must commit to showing up to protests and actions. Liberation is not a destination,
00:56:50.380 it is a commitment. As activists, organizers, artists, writers, poets, visionaries, medicine
00:56:58.140 people, cultural keepers, musicians, kin, we cannot forget this. So how are we creating spaces
00:57:06.540 of freedom in our minds? How are we creating spaces of freedom in our bodies, in our spirits,
00:57:13.160 in our hearts? What are the daily moments in our life in which we can absolutely reclaim our
00:57:19.140 freedom and power, even if just for one moment in the day? What do we do daily that can be made
00:57:27.280 sacred? Pockets of joy in the resistance will carry us through.
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