For The Wild - November 01, 2018


QUEEN QUET on the Survival of Sea Island Wisdom ⧸95

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KEVIN SCHNEIDER on Legal Liberation for More Than Human Kin ⧸94 Reverand M. KALANI SOUZA on Personal Preparedness in Advance ⧸96

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00:00:00.000 So we have to continue to keep things in their faces.
00:00:20.580 We have to continue to make them hear it and see it until they realize when I'm talking, it's you talking.
00:00:28.580 When I'm seen, you're seen because we're connected to each other the same way the bodies of water are connected to each other all around the world.
00:00:38.700 The silence is broken by somebody crying
00:00:55.540 Trying to be heard, never a word
00:00:59.020 Always the attitude, sort out your own
00:01:02.560 Always alone
00:01:04.340 Wishing for something the world is denying
00:01:08.220 Out in the wilderness, somebody's crying
00:01:13.380 Hello and welcome to For the Wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young.
00:01:26.760 Today we are speaking with Queen Quet. Queen Quet Marquetta L. Goodwine is a published author,
00:01:33.580 computer scientist, lecturer, mathematician, historian, columnist, preservationist, 0.87
00:01:41.240 environmental justice advocate, film consultant, and the artivist. Queen Quet was selected,
00:01:48.400 elected, and installed by her people to be the first queen mother, head Pundibodi,
00:01:54.460 and official spokesperson for the Gullah Geechee Nation. As a result, she is respectfully referred
00:02:00.040 to as Queen Quet, Chiefess, and Head of State for the Gullah Geechee Nation. She is the founder of
00:02:06.540 the premier advocacy organization for the continuation of Gullah Geechee culture,
00:02:11.680 the Gullah Geechee Sea Island Coalition. Queen Quet has won countless awards for being a woman
00:02:16.800 of distinction for her scholarship, writings, artistic presentation, activism, cultural
00:02:23.000 continuation, and environmental preservation. She was the first Gullah Geechee person to speak
00:02:28.460 on behalf of her people before the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, and at the United Nations
00:02:34.180 COP22 Climate Change Conference in Marrakesh, Morocco. The Gullah Geechee are descendants of 1.00
00:02:40.360 enslaved Central and West Africans who remained isolated along the inland coastal area and sea
00:02:46.400 islands between present-day Jacksonville, North Carolina, and Jacksonville, Florida. The remote
00:02:51.800 location of sea islands produced kinships that extended beyond immediate bloodlines
00:02:56.380 enabled the continuation of African cultural traditions and indigenous practices and
00:03:01.860 cultivated a strong land-based heritage amongst Gullah Geechee. Following the Civil War,
00:03:07.300 former slaves obtained abandoned and federally confiscated lands, and often lands that they
00:03:12.340 or their ancestors were previously enslaved upon, legally through purchase and community sanctions.
00:03:19.040 In doing so, not only were the Gullah Geechee the first group of African descendants to own land 0.94
00:03:23.980 en masse in the United States, but they also escaped the legacy of landlessness and sharecropping 0.71
00:03:29.520 that remained pervasive in other areas of the South. By obtaining land and being able to pass
00:03:35.100 it down to their descendants, the Goligichi were able to continue their centuries-long relationship
00:03:40.240 with the land. In 2000, they were internationally recognized as a nation. Today, the Goligichi
00:03:46.820 nation is facing some of the most pressing issues of the Anthropocene at once. Climate change,
00:03:52.060 resource extraction, corrupt and negligent government bodies, land theft, encroaching
00:03:57.940 development, and exploitative tourism. Amidst this all, the Gullah Geechee Nation has firmly 0.97
00:04:03.500 held on to their cultural heritage and traditions, while remaining committed to continuing and
00:04:08.540 strengthening their coastal and community resilience. Queen Quet, thank you so much
00:04:14.620 for sharing your time with us today. I'm just really beyond excited and honored to be speaking
00:04:20.700 with someone who has such a strong connection to their ancestral landscape and the seascape
00:04:27.960 and a profound knowledge of climate and coastal resiliency. The history, culture, and many of the
00:04:34.700 threats faced by the Golgiichi Nation contain so many intersections that we must explore and address
00:04:41.060 if we want to build just and resilient futures during these times of transition. So thank you
00:04:46.280 again, Queen Kwet, and welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me. You're
00:04:51.940 anything like that. I'm so glad if I did your wit on a chiller. Thank you. So before delving 0.67
00:04:59.120 into Gullah Geechee coastal resilience in the face of natural disasters, I'd really like to
00:05:05.080 give our listeners more context about some of the threats faced by your nation in regards to land
00:05:10.660 theft, development, tourism, and gentrification. As previously mentioned, the Gullah Geechee Nation 0.90
00:05:17.680 has a history of Black land ownership, but I also understand that these titles of land
00:05:24.100 remain ambiguous and can be a liability given that there are multiple heirs. These predatory 0.99
00:05:31.260 developers have seized upon this opportunity to acquire land for resort destinations like
00:05:36.740 Hilton Head, and members of the Gologichi Nation have struggled to hold onto their land as undeveloped
00:05:43.180 waterfront property is considered some of the priciest real estate in the country. The notorious 1.00
00:05:49.060 Hilton Head Island was the first to be developed, requiring the removal of 300 Gologichi families. 1.00
00:05:56.640 Now, one can find ancestral graveyards in the grounds of the gated communities that tourists 1.00
00:06:02.440 and retirees refer to as plantations.
00:06:06.120 So can you give our listeners what simultaneous land loss and development has meant for the
00:06:13.220 Goligichi Nation?
00:06:14.860 Yes, it has been quite a long journey because, as you mentioned, Hilton Head Island, which
00:06:20.320 the world knows as a golf resort and people see on television all over the world, they
00:06:26.840 have no idea that beneath all of that false grass that's placed there to remain green all year long 1.00
00:06:35.780 are literally the blood, sweat, and tears of people of African and indigenous American descent 1.00
00:06:41.400 called the Gullah Geechee. And so when the island was actually first somewhat discovered in this 0.82
00:06:48.860 Columbus-esque style to become an area first to be where Charles Frazier and his friends could come
00:06:57.120 to and actually go and hunt. And then when they cleared out the woods, they said, well, what else
00:07:03.400 are we going to do here? And then their friends started thinking they'd compete. And the more
00:07:07.560 that they came, they decided, well, we came by boat. Now we need bridges and we'll bring our
00:07:13.040 friends over. So now as their friends come in, you have all these people of African descent living 1.00
00:07:18.080 here. So what are we going to do with them? Well, then they either wanted you to work for them 1.00
00:07:23.420 or sell them your property. And so people started losing not only the areas that we live in,
00:07:30.840 the places that we had as bush avas or brush avas, which are our sacred grounds for prayer
00:07:35.880 and healing and spiritual practices. They started losing areas where our natural herbs that we use
00:07:42.760 to heal the body, grow. You then started losing the actual environment itself where any of the
00:07:50.880 sweet grass or any of the things we'd known to be natural and indigenous vegetation were
00:07:56.500 because in came clear cutting. So with this clear cutting, we are literally in a hurricane zone.
00:08:03.860 So this allowed more winds to rapidly get into what did remain on the island. It then started
00:08:09.620 to erode the earth itself because what we are on Sea Islands are maritime forests. And so the
00:08:16.860 maritime forest is abutted then by Spartina grass, which is abutted then by oyster banks.
00:08:22.440 People started finding that the oyster banks, which we just opened up the shellfish season here
00:08:27.800 again this year, a lot of the oyster banks had to get closed around these gated areas because
00:08:34.060 now the pollution, the runoff and everything was going into the waterways. So when we look at it
00:08:40.960 about land loss, land loss isn't just coming because of sea level rises and winds and other
00:08:47.940 things, but it actually came with the storm of people coming in, overbuilding, building right
00:08:53.800 into the marsh line, building right into the seashore and telling us who were the natives
00:08:58.340 that we were just emotional individuals when we said that that's inappropriate, it's not
00:09:03.700 sustainable, it's not going to be something beneficial to the environment because you're
00:09:08.920 going to disrupt the ecology. And when you clear cut, then you have no buffer when the storms come
00:09:15.900 and all of the things that come blowing in literally and figuratively with the storm are
00:09:21.280 going to have a direct hit on you. And so now we're dealing with what was an onslaught of
00:09:27.360 people coming by boat to the very earth itself, now throwing itself up on land with you having
00:09:35.400 sea level rise and storm surges that are putting water up on land. We're just now dealing with
00:09:42.220 flooding that's leaving the area that's been going on for over a week on the heels of a hurricane.
00:09:48.740 And so we've seen this disruption to our lifestyle and land loss happening, not just because people were displaced, people were murdered and killed for their land in the case of Hilton Head and in Charleston and various areas, but also by the erosion of the land because of what got built on it.
00:10:13.160 that's now contributing to other factors in the environment that ultimately all contribute
00:10:19.440 to the climate change dynamics. And we're seeing us lose land, lose trees, lose farm areas and
00:10:26.280 things even more rapidly than we ever would have thought of 50 years ago. And so it is a really
00:10:33.180 pressing matter. It's a pressing issue. As you mentioned, our burial areas, our burial areas
00:10:38.640 are usually on the waterway. And so we've even seen sacred grounds such as that getting taken
00:10:46.020 underwater. Areas that did not hold water before are holding them now. And so we're seeing a number
00:10:53.220 of things, including the predatory laws that the county governments put in place where someone
00:11:00.100 was now living on, say, Hilton Head, and their land tax had only been $50 a year because someone
00:11:06.980 built a resort next to them, their land tax would go up 100%, 200%, 300%, 500% in some cases in one
00:11:16.720 year. And that wouldn't sound like a lot of money to some people. But if you were only accustomed
00:11:21.820 to living from the waterway and from the land, and you were looking to pay $50, where do you get
00:11:26.980 500 times that much? And so people got displaced because of taxation as well. And so the loss of
00:11:35.040 ownership has come in so many different ways through heirs' property with piercing the veil,
00:11:40.780 as you mentioned, where predatory destruction heirs, we call them. I don't call them developers.
00:11:45.760 I call this all destructionment that they do come in and figure out, well, maybe there's an
00:11:51.020 heir that's the 25th cousin. And if I can buy that interest out, that person's all the way
00:11:56.040 in Arizona. That person's in New York City. That person's in Texas somewhere, and they're not going
00:12:00.520 to move back. If I offer them $1,000 for their property, I can get in. I can sue the rest of
00:12:06.480 the family that lives on that land. Since they won't sell it to me, I'll sue them off of it.
00:12:11.220 And so then they go to court. There's no decision that can be made other than the judge saying,
00:12:16.060 well, let's have a forced partition sale and sell the land. So the Gullah Geechee Sea Island
00:12:22.000 Coalition has been fighting now for 20 years against these issues. And so that we can keep 1.00
00:12:28.420 are people who still have their land here on the land, but then teaching people how to sustain
00:12:34.300 that land has become even more trying over these years. Thank you for going deeper into all of
00:12:42.900 these pieces. It's just, it's just so disgusting. These, what were you calling them? The disruptors?
00:12:52.320 Destruction errors.
00:12:53.780 Oh, yeah, the destruction errors.
00:12:55.740 Oh, that's so good.
00:12:57.920 And it's just, it's so disgusting, the tactics that they are using to steal this land and
00:13:04.620 the sheer, gosh, just disrespect to the people and to the land and the lack of forethought
00:13:12.400 with climate change.
00:13:13.400 I mean, I was reading that the recorded sea levels at a tidal station in Charleston,
00:13:19.280 in South Carolina show over a foot of sea level rise in the last century. And sea levels have
00:13:25.360 been gradually and continuously rising along the North Carolina coastline for the past 30 years.
00:13:31.800 So I'm thinking, you know, as ice sheets and glaciers melt in the Arctic and Alaska and
00:13:37.580 Antarctica, you know, how is the Gullah Geechee Nation faring? How will the melting ice impact
00:13:44.580 your nation in terms of tidal flooding and storm surges? Well, see, that's been the biggest issue
00:13:51.080 in terms of what you say, the lack of forethought, because when people talk about glaciers and we
00:13:57.820 live here in the Southeast, we live in the Atlantic Ocean, no one here has ever seen a glacier
00:14:03.260 unless they've seen it on YouTube, on a video, on a photograph, a postcard. So that doesn't seem to
00:14:11.080 them to have anything to do with them. And I feel like a lot of the people moved here. We said we'd
00:14:17.900 have been here and things like that. And these other rest of the people have come here. And so
00:14:20.980 in our language, there are terms for this. We're the binyas and these new people have come here.
00:14:25.280 And when they come here, they have no knowledge of the ecology and balance in the Sea Islands
00:14:30.200 anyway. So that's why they feel they can build on shifting sand that has tides, high tide, low
00:14:36.180 tides, spring tides, and now king tides, and they think it's going to be sustainable. I'm an
00:14:40.860 engineer. I'm a scientist. So trying to tell them that you'll cause sinkholes, you'll cause other
00:14:46.220 things that are not going to be sustainable, these politicians don't get it. So when you start to
00:14:51.760 talk to them about the glaciers and you talk about the Arctic, they're looking like, that's not part
00:14:56.420 of my constituency. That's not in my voting district. So who cares? It's the tourists coming
00:15:01.160 that I need to satisfy and it's about making more money. So this mentality of destructionment
00:15:07.340 goes well beyond concerns for the whole globe. It's so limited in terms of its perspective and
00:15:15.500 the people that are lawmakers have literally had to see their own homes and their own businesses
00:15:23.080 and their own golf courses get flooded when there was no hurricane for them to stop saying
00:15:30.700 that we were emotional natives, to now at least pause on that and to also hesitate to say that
00:15:39.460 there's no such thing as climate change or that it's a fraud. Many of them are simply ignoring
00:15:45.060 the issue because I hate to have to say this. It sounds ageist, but it's realistic. Many of these 0.54
00:15:50.880 people live in gated retirement areas. So for them, this is the last hurrah, these are the last
00:15:58.960 days, and they're not really concerned about us and the next generation that's coming. They want
00:16:06.000 to live out their days however they want to do it, even if that's just trying to attempt to count
00:16:11.440 more money as if they need more money or we can eat money. Well, guess what? Even if you have a
00:16:17.940 treasure trove of money. We have seen enough flooding here and tides rise so rapidly that
00:16:26.820 it can float away your treasure trove. And so that's the thing that we have to get them to
00:16:32.020 look at is how does this connect to you? Don't think of it as something so far away and that's
00:16:38.240 up north and that's on the West Coast. Those glaciers aren't over here. You got to look at
00:16:43.820 the world, it's all connected. The water bodies are connected. So we have to get people to
00:16:49.960 understand that our bodies as human beings are connected. We also are made of water. So we don't
00:16:56.900 start to look at this and examine what the scientists are telling us about the levels
00:17:02.200 of water and how it's getting higher and higher and how we need to keep the waters pristine so
00:17:08.520 but the oceans don't acidify. We need to take it personally and think about how much seafood you
00:17:14.480 want to eat if you did come to a beautiful, pristine area on the water on an island. Would
00:17:20.440 you want acid in your food? Because that acid would be in your person. When we start making
00:17:27.540 it more personal, we cause them to pause. We cause them to hesitate to say that we're just
00:17:33.700 emotional, or that we don't know what we're talking about, or that somebody's trying to
00:17:37.980 pull a hoax. And so we have to bring it down to their level as much as we'd like to bring down
00:17:44.580 the waters right now. And so we really have to meet these folks where they are. But remember,
00:17:50.420 many of them aren't going to listen because they feel like, well, these are my final days,
00:17:54.260 and this is just what I want to do. Oh, my goodness. I'm just imagining the people behind
00:18:00.920 the gates, just counting their money as the ship goes down and just feeling exactly like you were
00:18:07.500 saying that these are the end of their days and they want to live them out like how they want to
00:18:12.560 live them. And they don't care about what happens to other people in the area or the future
00:18:19.840 generations. And they have no forethought. And I was also just really shocked by the government's
00:18:26.640 lack of intelligence when it comes to climate change. For example, research has proven that
00:18:32.300 the torrential rainfalls that accompanied Hurricane Florence were projected to be 50%
00:18:37.380 worse than it would have been without global warming. The rainfall not only led to flooding,
00:18:43.440 but also polluted water and soil. You know, it's clear that climate change and global warming are
00:18:49.140 strengthening the force of natural disasters, yet government agencies have in many ways
00:18:55.260 declared that they do not care about those who are impacted by said disasters.
00:19:01.120 In 2010, a North Carolinian state commission report said
00:19:05.040 that sea levels could rise as much as 39 inches by 2100.
00:19:11.360 Yet in 2012, North Carolina passed HB 819,
00:19:16.140 which sought to ban local and state agencies from using scientific predictions of accelerated sea level rise.
00:19:22.480 You know, the bill itself was criticized by a majority of people across the country, but the state's business interests prevailed over public safety and well-being.
00:19:33.260 So, I'm just wondering, do you believe it's possible that any branch of the government will be able to successfully address the aftermath of natural disasters?
00:19:45.160 Or is there just blatant disregard, a clear sign that communities must begin to localize and think about how they're going to respond to their own regional natural disasters?
00:19:58.020 Well, the interesting thing is that I agree with what you're saying, that what you just posed is that communities now have to realize why many of us have been out here on the front lines and now join us on the front of the shore.
00:20:11.180 And actually creating our own plans and implementing those plans to actually enact the things that are even in the very Paris climate agreement because the elected officials cannot see.
00:20:22.740 And so but the thing that has happened, I'm a person who's a firm believer in divine order.
00:20:27.600 And I do believe that there is a creator of us all.
00:20:31.260 And I feel like when you don't listen and there are so many signs at some point, then the sign is going to be actually driven down hard in your own front yard.
00:20:41.760 And that is what just happened with Hurricane Florence, the same state, North Carolina, that you just talked about the laws that nobody in the country, much less other parts of the world, could believe that they would enact some years ago.
00:20:57.360 Now they are dealing with the worst flooding, the worst environmental injustices and pollution they have ever seen in that state, not just on the coast, not just on the barrier islands, but also inland North Carolina.
00:21:13.820 And they did not even admit to the national news that there were many communities of people displaced ever since Hurricane Matthew.
00:21:22.800 And so many of those people hadn't even returned or were living in dilapidated homes as a result of the previous storm.
00:21:29.420 The biggest problem I've seen in all of this has been, just as you said, they have no concern about the people, but they're always calculating the cost of the real estate that they're losing.
00:21:40.540 Before the storm had ended, before the flooding even came, they were already declaring states of emergency and then estimating how many billion with a B dollars they were losing.
00:21:52.580 And that was based on real estate, where people's lives and cultural heritage are more valuable than any real estate.
00:22:00.460 So how do you put a price on that?
00:22:02.920 How do you calculate that?
00:22:04.440 I'm a mathematician by degrees, and I bring that up in every meeting that I go to about these things, especially with legislative members.
00:22:13.880 Most of the environmental groups that call conferences together, bring people in to meet, they invite these people that are in elected offices in the Carolinas, in Georgia, in Florida, and they don't show up.
00:22:27.940 So that tells you that you cannot go to your state dome or to Capitol Hill and look for help.
00:22:36.700 We are the ones that we've been waiting on.
00:22:39.480 Just like after a storm, in the storm, it's your neighbors, it's your family, it's your friends that are right around you that you have to rely on to help get you out of a home or get you back in your home.
00:22:51.580 get you down this road, off this road, over the river, through the creeks, or whatever you have
00:22:57.160 to do to share food, get lights on, and to survive and thrive. That's what Gullah Geechies have always 1.00
00:23:03.920 done here in the Gullah Geechie Nation. So for us, it's not something new. That's why everybody 1.00
00:23:08.620 calls us resilient people. How do you adapt? How are you being resilient in the face of this? I mean,
00:23:14.960 the politicians aren't paying attention to you. Well, we never expected them to, because they
00:23:19.660 have also been the ones that always set the laws in place that would displace us, disrupt us, 0.92
00:23:25.100 and did not ever value our lives because we were people of African descent. So why would they do 0.53
00:23:30.640 it now? Again, what they value is what they can exploit. And if they can exploit the land to make
00:23:36.620 it another place that's somewhere where people recreate, that's more concern to them than the
00:23:41.940 people who live there all the time and who are the traditionalists that have to live from this land
00:23:46.320 in this water. And right now we can't live from the water if the water is polluted by coal ash
00:23:52.160 that they found has spilled into it and so on. So that tells you where the mindset is. The mindset
00:23:58.160 is about being about dollars and not about the people themselves. And so we have to get together
00:24:08.100 on the grassroots level and work with other people that are willing and able to actually see
00:24:14.480 what is going on and to actually have concerns for this generation and the next. And that is not
00:24:21.420 a politician necessarily make. Politicians will promise you one thing on one side of town and
00:24:26.860 promise another group on the opposite end of the spectrum, something on the other side,
00:24:30.920 the next side of town. So we have to come together on the shoreline as people who really recognize
00:24:37.560 the reality of the world we are in right now. And we have to get these kinds of people that
00:24:42.980 are in office currently out of there and get people in that have the same mindset and have
00:24:48.140 the eyes to see that the waters have risen, the winds have spoken. It has been ordered for them
00:24:54.920 to actually read that handwriting that used to be in the wall that's now mounted on a post in the
00:25:00.700 front yard with water surrounding it. How can you say that the predictions were wrong in this case
00:25:07.120 when your street, you can't drive down and you need a boat to row down it right now?
00:25:12.980 Thank you.
00:25:42.980 Come on, let me see, let me see, let me see, let me see.
00:26:12.980 I have so many thoughts and questions swirling around my mind as you're so passionately explaining
00:26:30.440 these issues. But one thing I was thinking about is just the resiliency of the Gullah Geechee Nation.
00:26:37.960 While life as we know it is expected to intensify under climate chaos, the Gullah Geechee Nation
00:26:44.180 is a community that has long been familiar with storms of the east.
00:26:47.760 I mean, almost 150 hurricanes have hit the area between 1851 and 2013.
00:26:55.620 So I want to ask you to share what these storms have brought with them, both in magnitude
00:27:01.560 of their power, but also in terms of the resiliency and knowledge that they've provided?
00:27:08.680 And I have a second part to that question, but I think I'll save it so I don't get too excited.
00:27:15.080 I hear that. Wow. 150 storms. I never even realized that was that many. And then you
00:27:21.720 said that was only up to what, 2013? Yep, 2013.
00:27:24.940 So that doesn't even count. Matthew and Irma and Florence and all of their buddies and family members that have come to visit us over the past five years and this season alone.
00:27:40.260 And so when you mention this about what we've learned, one of the things that we've learned is how important intergenerational knowledge is, because I know how to protect myself.
00:27:54.920 I've stayed on St. Helena Island, which is my home island. I'm a native of St. Helena Island in South Carolina.
00:28:00.700 And so we have been in the eye of the storm many, many times. And we feel very blessed that we weren't with Florence because at one point they did say it was coming toward us and then it shifted. And I've been here through Hurricane David and Hurricane Floyd and, you know, the list goes on and tropical storms as well.
00:28:19.180 But I knew what to do because I had elders in my family, including my mother, who'd been here through Gracie's storm and other storms way before that.
00:28:29.220 And so they always told us stories of how the family gathered together and how what they did and how high the water rose and sometimes having to run from one house they were in to get to another house that was on higher ground.
00:28:43.100 and how fortunate they were that they did it because when they got back to the house, they
00:28:47.520 left, how windows had been blown out right onto a couch that a little child had been playing on
00:28:52.940 before they'd left the house, you know, and all these kinds of stories. And so we know how to
00:28:58.340 prepare, how to store up things all year. You don't wait until a storm is coming to prepare
00:29:04.100 for the storm. So there's a lot of emergency preparedness things that we do naturally to us.
00:29:11.320 That's just part of our culture that we would do on a day to day basis so that when the storm is approaching, it's really just, you know, you're checking off everything again and you're just, you know, retrofitting certain things to the current situation or making sure things are right at hand that you don't look at every day.
00:29:28.360 Like, you know, I've learned to buy, you know, these floating kits now to put all of our paperwork in that are waterproof and air sealed and all that just in the event that we have to get in a boat and float up out of here that we don't lose all our paper and then have somebody like FEMA tell us we won't give you any money because you can't prove who you are.
00:29:46.840 You know, we learned that from Katrina and our people down in Louisiana, that you could run and just leave. But if you run and just leave and now your paperwork's all soaked because you were trying to swim out with it or you just left because you had to because the storm just came upon you suddenly, now what? Now the government's not going to help because they're going to claim you can't prove that was your property. You can't prove you lived here. You may not even be able to get back into your house if you don't have ID with you.
00:30:14.200 So there's been so many things from practical application and occurrence that we've been able to use as tools that we can now use to teach the next generation and to model in other communities that never experienced it, that never lived through one storm, much less the several that we've been blessed to live through and be able to remain in our houses.
00:30:35.620 And so a lot of it really, though, has to do with just living in a traditional communal community where we help each other every day and we share what we have every day.
00:30:45.380 So now all of us needs like, well, we got all on votes. No, we don't, because the next people who are in our Gullah Geechee Fishing Association, for instance, will know how to navigate to come get you and to get you out, you know, and they'll check on you.
00:30:58.400 And so now with social media, then we started to develop our own platform for conveying information and relaying it to people so that if they do evacuate, we have ways to get them back in or they know when they can come back in and all that.
00:31:12.360 So it's a lot of things that I've learned that are too many for us to even get into totally on this call.
00:31:18.840 But I've done a number of videos on our Gullah Geechee TV platform.
00:31:22.600 So it's just Gullah Geechee.tv that people can go to or find on YouTube and even see some of the things.
00:31:29.340 Or if they follow our blog at Gullah Geechee Nation dot com, I blog about this issue a lot because as much as God has spared my life and my family's lives, I want other people to survive and thrive, too.
00:31:41.240 So we want to share some of that knowledge with them.
00:31:44.380 Oh, my gosh. Wow. I just it's just so amazing to hear how you even prepare by protecting your paperwork.
00:31:53.980 I had never even considered that that would be something you would need to prove land ownership or identity.
00:32:02.340 I mean, I'm just thinking about all of the insidious ways that this government will try to disenfranchise people and not help the people.
00:32:11.040 They're citizens even.
00:32:12.800 And you know, not only are you preparing to protect your life and the life of your family
00:32:17.600 and your community members, but you also have to think about how the government could try
00:32:23.540 to steal your land.
00:32:27.640 I mean, that is just insane.
00:32:31.260 So thank you so much for shedding light on these issues that the general public just
00:32:37.080 has no idea about.
00:32:38.700 huh well another thing i've been thinking about is for the gulagichi water has always been
00:32:47.860 a spiritual entity of sorts you know one did not necessarily go to the water for recreation
00:32:53.500 in fact there's a tradition of building away from the water so i'm wondering how have these
00:33:01.180 traditions and traditional ecological knowledge influenced or even prepared your community for
00:33:07.820 rising tides, and the future of natural disasters. And then also, you know, you started to speak
00:33:15.260 about this, but what is the importance of intergenerational engagement in building
00:33:19.840 climate resilient communities in this new world that we've soon to arrive at if we haven't already?
00:33:27.760 Well, it's very important to have the intergenerational knowledge because the 1.00
00:33:31.040 older people, we have a saying that they say, well, they're all harsh down the road,
00:33:36.280 the young one must find a we. And so we see that in this sort of individualistic society that we're
00:33:42.460 in, a lot of people seem to think that the day that they were born, that they had all knowledge
00:33:47.540 that exists in the world. And if they don't have it in their head, they find it on the internet.
00:33:51.140 And that is not true. And so people want to Google every other thing, but what you find there doesn't
00:33:56.880 make it accurate and it doesn't come from practical application. But if you sit down with an elder in
00:34:01.920 your community that can say to you, well, I've lived a hundred years. I literally have family
00:34:06.760 members who are over a hundred years old and they can say a hundred years ago when I was little or
00:34:12.360 when I was your age, okay, this did not happen. You do not build this here because of this.
00:34:19.800 This is what exists here and the water will come in. There's a whole bunch of things that they
00:34:24.960 could share with you that on site you just look at and say, oh, that's just a piece of land. I
00:34:29.500 like that spot. It's pretty. Let me go over here. And they'll go, no, you don't. And they'll explain
00:34:33.680 to you exactly why that's going to shift. It's going to change or why that's a sacred place.
00:34:38.980 And you shouldn't put something like that there. And so with us being people of African descent,
00:34:45.200 we've held on to a lot of our ancestral traditions that you respect the elders in your community in
00:34:50.560 the first place. So having the elders talk, the children listen. And then if they allow you to
00:34:56.880 talk, then you share knowledge you have. So our older people, they don't get on the internet,
00:35:01.800 but I can teach them what I do and how what they can teach me, I can pass to another set of people
00:35:07.740 elsewhere that are younger or my age group, my peer group, and how it can maybe benefit all of
00:35:13.140 us. That's one of the ways that some of the Gullah Geechies who work in emergency management 1.00
00:35:18.880 elsewhere found out and checked in with me during last year's storms was saying, Queen Quet, where
00:35:25.360 are you? I started getting emails and Facebook messages. Where are you located? And I'm like,
00:35:31.540 I am actually on the island in the eye of the storm. And they're like, oh my God, please,
00:35:36.360 if you can continue to get in touch with us, please do. And so it takes all those levels.
00:35:41.880 It takes the people who are younger who say, well, oh, we know this new modern technology,
00:35:45.220 but you can't eat that phone when you're out of light and you're out of food for days. Do you
00:35:50.660 know how to go out here and feed yourself? Do you know what herbs are out here that you can eat
00:35:55.660 when the rain stops and the wind stops blowing and it's safe for you to be outside? Do you know
00:36:01.600 how to chop wood? Because you may have to bilify. You can't turn the oven on now. So now what do
00:36:07.480 you do in those circumstances? So it's very important that the intergenerational knowledge
00:36:12.680 is there because we do build away from water. Water is always seen as sacred to us. We go to
00:36:19.820 it for spiritual nourishment and for physical nourishment when we're going to fish. But we do
00:36:25.140 not go, whether you're fishing for souls or fishing for food, we go there. But we don't just go there
00:36:29.840 to play around, lay around. We don't surf. You know, you might have one or two Gullah Geechies
00:36:34.700 around here that ever learned how to surf or anything like that because they were in the 1.00
00:36:38.000 military, you know. But there are not things that we go out there just to play with the water. We
00:36:44.200 We respect the power of water and we respect it as a healing entity spiritually and physically.
00:36:51.000 And so that the elders taught us that we wouldn't know it.
00:36:54.960 I wouldn't know it.
00:36:55.860 People younger than me wouldn't know it if our elders hadn't taught us that.
00:36:59.140 And so now we can bring in more modern technology to help us kind of harness that power and
00:37:04.460 get clean energy here and things like that that they don't know about because this kind
00:37:09.420 of science wasn't taught when they were in school.
00:37:11.540 You know, it didn't exist in some cases like computers, like you and I talking over the day, you know. So these are important things, us sharing knowledge in both directions, it being circular. Everything about the Gullah Geechee community is about connecting in the circle.
00:37:27.480 And if you ever see the Gullah Geechee national flag, you see that there's a golden circle around a tree, and that tree is human bodies intertwined.
00:37:38.680 And people will often hear me state the slogan of the Gullah Geechee Sea Island Coalition, that the ancestors spoke into my spirit.
00:37:46.340 It was not a Gullah Geechee proverb, and people are going around the world saying that's what it is.
00:37:51.080 It's a proverb now, but it came from me, actually, that says, Huna must take care of the root for heal the tree.
00:37:56.260 So you have to get those tools sometimes to dig deeper. And the people who dug before, they have them already. So why are you trying to make them? All you got to do is sit down and listen and learn. And not only does the wind speak to you sometimes, but also the elders definitely will if they realize that you value what they're saying. 0.82
00:38:26.260 A long time, I have been walking the road.
00:38:30.840 A long time, and I got weary yet.
00:38:36.500 Oh, I have been walking the road, Jillian.
00:38:41.020 A long time, a long time, a long time.
00:38:47.720 I have been walking the road.
00:38:50.240 A long time, and I got weary yet.
00:38:56.540 Well, I've been praying this prayer.
00:39:00.820 A long time, a long time, a long time.
00:39:07.700 I have been praying this prayer.
00:39:10.780 A long time, and I got weary yet.
00:39:16.440 Oh, I've been praying this pray, children
00:39:20.600 A long time, a long time
00:39:25.040 I have been praying this pray
00:39:30.180 A long time, and I ain't got weary yet
00:39:36.100 Oh, I've been working for Jesus
00:39:39.880 A long time, a long time
00:39:46.440 hmm i completely resonate with being able to respect the elders and the land enough
00:39:54.240 that you can hear them speak you know if you actually slow down and listen
00:39:59.580 and this is just not spoken about enough as a mandatory practice especially now you know we
00:40:07.700 really need to reconnect with that. Gosh, you've been giving us, oh my gosh, you've been describing
00:40:17.100 so much in this conversation. And my next thought is, I'm wondering if you found yourself
00:40:24.400 frequently having to push back on the narrative that the Sea Islands region is unprepared for
00:40:30.500 climate change due to socioeconomic status. Do you believe this is reflective of a larger trend
00:40:37.580 in which climate scientists and officials
00:40:40.300 actively choose to ignore indigenous data sources? 0.88
00:40:44.500 Yeah, I do think it is a trend
00:40:46.080 that they tend to ignore indigenous data sources
00:40:48.840 and tend to ignore the indigenous voice
00:40:51.320 because most indigenous communities are oral communities.
00:40:56.220 We do sit underneath the oak tree
00:40:57.580 and think like that,
00:40:58.300 and crackly teeth with one another upon the shoreline.
00:41:00.280 So we sit under the oaks and talk to one another
00:41:02.940 right on the shoreline,
00:41:04.120 and we share that way,
00:41:05.500 And then talking sometimes is an active, talking is an active process because if I speak, you have to listen in order to really hear me. And so really that's why a lot of young kids say, do you feel me? And that's what you want to do. You want to be able to feel what the environment is giving to you and its message as well.
00:41:25.900 And that's what indigenous people do because we are locked in. As I say to people, we are inextricably tied to the land. The land is our family and the waterways are our bloodline. So you don't want your blood poisoned. You don't want to kill off your family.
00:41:42.700 So in order to respect that, you have to be in a position of not just hearing, but listening, being part of an active process of choosing to listen. And then once you have listened, taking that into account and taking it back and being accountable.
00:41:59.360 And that is not happening with most people in these legislative meetings. In these legislative meetings, they're number crunching and they're trying to figure out the next big way to make money. And so the traditional knowledge goes out the door because we don't necessarily do PowerPoints. I call it death by PowerPoint after you see five or ten of them in a row and nobody remembers anything that was on any slide.
00:42:21.320 And so here it is that you have people doing PowerPoints, you have people doing reports, you have executive summaries of those reports, and oral communities don't do that.
00:42:32.000 They may come in with something as simple as, hona must take care of the root for heal the tree, and then go sit down.
00:42:38.240 And that would be it.
00:42:39.560 Everything is in that proverb, just like an oak tree is inside of an acorn.
00:42:44.160 But we got to sit and take time to watch it grow.
00:42:47.740 We can't rush it to its end.
00:42:49.600 And what we're doing is getting rushed to our end of the earth by people who won't slow down and listen and acknowledge that there is such a thing as indigenous and traditional knowledge and that it should be a part of your reports.
00:43:05.620 But maybe your reports don't all have to be written.
00:43:08.900 Maybe they need to be oral reports.
00:43:10.740 Maybe they need to be something that others can hear so that they can listen to it and they can feel something.
00:43:17.620 And that might make them change. Because when you can connect to people's spirits and their souls, that's the real impact that we need. And that's the real climate we have to change. It's a political environment that only speaks to the written as being valuable and only speaks to the Anglo version of the written that is valuable and not that of people of color.
00:43:42.140 I love that you've said that for the Gullah Geechee, the land is your family and the waterway is your bloodline. And so, if the waterways and ocean are threatened, so is the Gullah Geechee culture. 0.68
00:43:57.140 And I'm wondering, what will vanish from the ethnosphere if you can no longer remain in your place of becoming and belonging?
00:44:08.700 What do you have to say to those who claim culture is carried on our backs, independent from the soil beneath our feet or the water that washes upon us?
00:44:18.720 I would say to that person, they've never lived here on the Sea Island.
00:44:22.560 because yes as much as culture you only carry your culture on your back like it's a backpack
00:44:27.800 once you unpack it somewhere you can lose items along the way wherein for me it's my very DNA it
00:44:34.780 is my body itself so yes wherever I go I'm still Gullah Geechee I'm going to be Gullah Geechee
00:44:40.340 but what about the rest of how we continue to perpetuate it in the next generation I can take 1.00
00:44:47.500 a cast net with me to New York, but I'm not about to cast into the Hudson River and eat anything
00:44:53.540 that comes out of there. And there may be laws to prevent me from doing so in the first place.
00:44:59.700 So you cannot say that you can lift up a group of people and their very culture that built America
00:45:08.860 from the very spot where the foundation of it was poured and place it somewhere else and have it be
00:45:15.540 the same place and have it be the same expression of that culture. So from the ethnosphere would be 0.97
00:45:23.060 wiped something that is valuable to world history, not just Black history or American history, 0.97
00:45:30.680 but to world history, that of Africans that were kidnapped during the crime against humanity, 0.79
00:45:37.820 But yet having the strength and the survival mechanisms to remain and to then recreate their cultural values in a way that created a new nation on a coastline, you cannot pick them up from there, put them in an urban environment or suburban environment and expect it to be the same expression of that.
00:45:59.640 In fact, it would be the very genocide and elimination of that. And so I would want them to show me how somebody who has never watched the sea rise on its own and go back down on its own and watch a sunset across the shore,
00:46:19.780 feel that that's the same thing that I could do if I went on and moved out west and was amongst
00:46:26.740 the mountains and having to peek up into the sky above the mountain before me to even see the sun
00:46:34.480 go up or come down and tell me how would that be the same it wouldn't I would have to adapt I'd
00:46:40.700 have to change I'd have to be someone other than who I was which means my children would be someone
00:46:45.880 else. My grandchildren would be somewhere else and their culture would be something else. And so 0.96
00:46:51.900 we need to realize that there is a value in keeping these individual traditions and cultures
00:46:58.240 of coastal people around the world intact. And the way you do it is by fighting together to protect
00:47:04.060 the land and to do all that we can to reverse our behaviors on land that are causing the negative
00:47:10.480 impacts that we now find under the outcomes of climate change.
00:47:15.640 Just to think about how dominant society tries to understand the scope of natural disasters
00:47:22.140 through the lens, basically, of economic threats alone. You know, nothing about the value of
00:47:28.480 cultural heritage. And I'm really questioning how we can begin to understand the relationship
00:47:36.320 between natural disasters and climate change and cultural loss and how perhaps if we start
00:47:44.720 to understand these three things together if that would you know shift the quality of support the
00:47:50.800 communities like the Gullah Geechee would receive after a natural disaster if we could you know 1.00
00:47:56.820 actually as a society or a government or a country really value cultural heritage just as much as
00:48:05.160 everything else but oh goodness just uh saying that out loud really hearing that question out
00:48:13.140 loud I'm like we are so far from that oh so far from that so far from that exactly yeah I'm with
00:48:23.440 you oh yeah and you know it's sad that we are because when something's so up close and personal
00:48:32.020 as weather channel now that everybody's watching on apps and tv and everything else and people see
00:48:37.120 it and for two seconds they go oh tweet are you okay you know they don't even pick up a phone
00:48:42.040 anymore and check and see if you're okay to send you a tweet they they write something on facebook
00:48:46.260 on your wall and and hope that you have lights on to see this stuff um you know and then as soon as
00:48:51.340 the news isn't covering it they're not covering you anymore they're not covering you in prayer
00:48:55.780 they're not covering you in concern anymore and so it's very important that we get people to
00:49:01.700 just feel that you are a part of other people first and it's sad that we even have to go there
00:49:06.960 but we do because until we realize that we're part of other people first we're not going to
00:49:11.620 realize people are attached to culture it's cultures that make them have the mores and the
00:49:16.880 behavioral patterns that they have the things we like and some we don't like but it makes them who
00:49:21.180 they are and then this is what makes the world a beautiful place because we have such an array of
00:49:25.860 these different cultures and means of cultural expression including when we do crack we tea
00:49:29.840 So even all the different languages of the world make a difference.
00:49:34.480 And one of the things, though, I must say to you that gives hope that there are more people than just you and I thinking that this is something important is that at the Global Climate Action Summit that just took place,
00:49:45.660 This is the first major environmental meeting that I've been in where Cultural Heritage actually had a cultural heritage mobilization group to form so that we can get out here and be voices in the midst of this storm of information and how to go about it and what do we do and how do we resource it.
00:50:08.200 But I actually have this voice there to start to say this is an element that's missing.
00:50:14.060 When we're calculating the cost of what's happening with climate change and sea level rise and ocean acidification, we can't just talk about the environment.
00:50:21.760 We are the environment.
00:50:22.880 And the people who live right there in the midst of most of the hardship and who are going to suffer the most, as they call us, the most vulnerable communities, end quote, are the people you see that are indigenous to the land who still have their cultural heritage intact and are holding on to it with everything in their being.
00:50:43.140 And we need to hear from them now because we cannot hear from them as a photograph or video on a museum wall in the years to come as we say, look what we lost.
00:50:54.440 Why lose it when it's here right now and you could do something by just listening to them and having them be part of putting these plans together, whether you call them adaptation plans, whether they're resilience trainings,
00:51:06.980 whether we're putting together models or modules, but then fund it. Because the things that people
00:51:13.280 find important, they will put money into it. They will invest in it. It's amazing to me
00:51:20.000 that we had people, as long as things were on the news, make donations to our Gullah Geechee
00:51:26.400 Storm Rebuilding Fund. And the minute the news stopped, the stats dropped in terms of people
00:51:32.240 making donations. It dropped in terms of people actually sharing the post, even though we were
00:51:37.860 saying, wait, wait, wait, wait, the storm moved north, but the water's still rising here. It was
00:51:44.140 on the news. So it didn't impact them anymore. So we have to continue to keep things in their faces.
00:51:50.160 We have to continue to make them hear it and see it until they realize when I'm talking,
00:51:56.400 It's you talking. When I'm seen, you're seen, because we're connected to each other the same way the bodies of water are connected to each other all around the world.
00:52:08.160 So this is a global issue, and I'm so glad that the Global Climate Action Summit brought together a new group of us that are focused on cultural heritage mobilization.
00:52:26.400 Oh, freedom, oh, love me.
00:52:35.780 I need no idea, I will be burning my grave.
00:52:43.580 That's why I know, my Lord, and His dream.
00:52:50.100 Oh, freedom, oh, freedom, oh, freedom, oh, freedom, oh, love me, and if I be the same,
00:53:12.540 I want to be dirty in my grave, and I know you're my Lord, I need to be free.
00:53:23.540 Thank you.
00:53:53.540 Oh, I need you.
00:53:57.280 Come on, y'all.
00:53:59.960 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
00:54:08.020 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
00:54:15.580 I need for you to your face.
00:54:20.500 I need you.
00:54:21.320 You're active in international advocacy and environmental circles, speaking on behalf
00:54:28.200 of the Gullah Geechee Nation at the United Nations in Switzerland, as well as COP22 in
00:54:33.280 Morocco.
00:54:34.700 So how has the international community supported you and the Gullah Geechee Nation?
00:54:39.940 It's been interesting because, you know, in those big arenas like the UN, you get a lot
00:54:44.260 of perfunctory exercise reporting that goes on.
00:54:48.360 So the support tends to be signing declarations or signing agreements, thanking you, patting you on the back for your interventions.
00:54:56.760 And then you don't really hear anything again.
00:54:59.660 But this time, because a lot of what was going on was going on while a storm was being broadcast nationally and internationally, we finally got partners that went, oh, my goodness, wait a minute.
00:55:14.080 We know somebody who's been telling us this stuff was going to happen where they are.
00:55:18.360 Queen Quetta, you OK? How can we help? So now we have people wanting to bring together resources, whether it's technological resources and their expertise or financial resources to get things like apps and other things done for us and with us that is happening.
00:55:35.140 So it's been very slow. It's been just as slow as those sea levels rising that you mentioned earlier in our conversation. It happens so subtly and it lifts things and it starts to bring things with it so subtly that that's why it's hard for people to believe it's even happening.
00:55:54.260 but it definitely is happening we now have a rising tide of people that recognize that we
00:56:02.580 need to resource cultural heritage in this movement that we're in and so it's a blessing
00:56:08.480 to have folks like even for the wild reaching out to us saying well how can we use our platform to
00:56:14.080 help you to get the word out there that you even are there because you'd be surprised how many
00:56:19.040 people don't even know that the Gullah Geechee Nation exists at all, much less to say, help us.
00:56:24.680 You can't help what you don't know is there. And so now more people with expertise, financial
00:56:29.980 resources, technological resources that we're starting to engage with. And we pray that we
00:56:36.120 have enough time to put some new things in place that are going to help our communities.
00:56:41.420 Oh, my goodness. Thank you so much, Queen Quet. You know, I want to say this has been
00:56:48.820 inspiring but it's so much more than that you know that's I want a better word for that yeah
00:56:53.800 I've just been so moved and really just stoked my fire and I just really believe that we need to
00:57:01.460 break out of our silos and work together right now collectively you know face the insanity together
00:57:09.120 and support each other and uplift one another and I just really want to encourage our audience to
00:57:17.280 support your work. And thank you so much, Queen Quet. And I really hope to stay in touch and stay
00:57:24.720 in connection into the future. Thank you so much. And I mean, I really appreciate you reaching out
00:57:30.580 and I enjoyed this conversation. Like you said, we could talk all day. I just feel like I got a
00:57:38.880 new friend here. We could just sit on the swing with some sweet tea and we could just go for it.
00:57:44.500 You know, so, yeah, definitely.
00:57:47.300 I pray this will be my last time in communication with each other.
00:57:50.520 And hopefully I see face to face.
00:57:54.060 We won't have to do this through the technology at the next time we talk.
00:58:09.780 Thank you for listening to For the Wild podcast.
00:58:12.900 I'm Ayanna Young.
00:58:14.500 The music you heard today was by the Gullah Singers.
00:58:17.260 There were live recordings from Gullah Geechee TV, Nation News, with Queen Quet and the Gullah Geechee Nation International Music Movement Festival.
00:58:27.740 I'd like to thank our wonderful staff, our editor and producer, Andrew Storrs, our research collaborator and writer, Francesca Glassbell, our media director, Molly Lebov, and our music coordinator, Carter Lou McElroy.
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