For The Wild - November 18, 2020


SII-AM HAMILTON on Respect-Based Futures ⧸209

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CORRINA GOULD on Settler Responsibility and Reciprocity ⧸208 Dr. SAMUEL RAMSEY on Bee Population in Peril ⧸210

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00:00:30.000 Hello and welcome to For the Wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young. Today we are speaking with
00:00:36.720 Siam Hamilton. I just feel a love for the next generation because I want them to become whatever
00:00:44.060 they want to be and I want it to be a possibility outside of violence. Siam is a Stalo and Nuchanult 0.95
00:00:53.900 land offender and traditional knowledge holder born in occupied Hupchesa territory, 0.95
00:00:59.100 Port Alberni, British Columbia, to Mother Quetzal Tattle and Father Ron Hamilton.
00:01:05.320 Their experience stems from time on the land, feast culture, and living traditional law and
00:01:10.840 protocol. They are a qualified hand-poked tattoo artist, as well as a song holder.
00:01:17.420 CM has been raised in political organization, land title, and grassroots activism since childhood,
00:01:23.740 and now specializes in publicity, media production of environmental and land sovereignty movements.
00:01:31.300 Siam does Indigenous Youth Solidarity organizing across Turtle Island
00:01:35.000 with a focus on raising awareness of missing and murdered Indigenous women, girls, and two-spirit people.
00:01:42.000 They have plans to continue their learning through academic study
00:01:45.080 with an end goal of disseminating all forms of settler colonialism
00:01:48.960 in exchange for the survival of Black, Brown, and Indigenous people around the world.
00:01:53.740 well siam thank you so much for joining me in conversation today and before we begin
00:02:02.620 i'd like to invite you to introduce yourself further awesome thank you so much for having
00:02:09.180 me today my name is siam hamilton i'm stalo and new channels and i'm indigenous youth from what's
00:02:17.300 now known as canada and i work in environmental justice on the front lines of wild salmon
00:02:23.260 protection, as well as trying to stop various forms of resource extraction on my homelands.
00:02:30.960 The last time global attention was turned to Wet'suwet'en land offenders was back in January
00:02:36.460 of 2020, when Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs served Coastal Gas Link in eviction notice, 0.54
00:02:42.620 once again reminding so-called Canada that they have absolutely no claim or authority to force
00:02:48.240 the 670-kilometer pipeline that would transport fracked gas across unceded lands. In response,
00:02:56.060 the Royal Canadian Mounted Police raided camps and made multiple violent arrests. A month ago,
00:03:01.720 charges against 200 land defenders were dropped, and CGL was ordered to stop pipeline construction
00:03:07.400 near wetlands. But I also hear that RCMP officers continue to conduct armed patrols on
00:03:14.140 Gidimeton Territory. To begin, can you share with us a current update on what is transpiring
00:03:20.980 on Wet'suwet'en Territory in regards to coastal gas link?
00:03:26.700 So as you mentioned before, the RCMP are still conducting armed patrols around the Wet'suwet'en
00:03:33.660 Territory's many camps that are trying to stop construction. But amidst the pandemic,
00:03:43.140 It is really important to remember that these transient workers should not be on Wet'suwet'en territory. 0.97
00:03:49.240 It's very dangerous and it puts a lot of these remote community members at higher risk of infection.
00:03:55.560 And as remote Indigenous communities, they are already medically underserved and an outbreak could devastate a nation.
00:04:03.780 It could wipe out entire cultural practices, entire language systems, entire governance systems, as well as some of the community members that are most at risk, like elders and children.
00:04:15.800 Mm-hmm. Yeah. When COVID-19 first spread, we witnessed a temporary halting of transportation
00:04:24.000 and consumption and production. And I think many of us may have conflated this halt with
00:04:29.940 a meaningful pause or period of respite. But globally, we are seeing the very opposite.
00:04:37.020 Here in the so-called United States, the Trump administration has used this pandemic as an
00:04:42.080 excuse to roll back serious regulatory measures relating to logging, development, pipeline safety,
00:04:48.080 and even the disposal of radioactive waste. And in so-called Canada, corporate exceptionalism
00:04:54.420 not only reigns supreme, but it appears that the pandemic is being used as an excuse to actually
00:05:00.440 pursue development full force. In preparation for this interview, I came across a quote from
00:05:06.140 Alberta's Minister of Energy, Sonia Savage, who said, quote, now is a great time to be building
00:05:12.440 a pipeline because you can't have more than 15 people. Let's get it built, end quote.
00:05:19.740 And so before we talk more about the COVID-related risks specific to pipeline development or
00:05:26.500 what this means for land defenders and strategy, I'm wondering if you can share with us the actions
00:05:32.280 the Canadian government has taken when it comes to development projects over the past couple of
00:05:36.680 months? I think the most prominent choices that they've made is to move transient workers from
00:05:44.280 around the country and notably around the world quite quickly and without detection from people
00:05:51.200 who would usually be relied on as watchdogs for resource extraction corporate movement.
00:05:56.780 They've relied upon people's fear of and legitimate fear and concern for their own health as a way to move swiftly and continue construction that has been directly opposed by the nation.
00:06:13.400 We've seen trucking companies being hired.
00:06:17.460 We've seen non-essential service workers moving themselves through the territory.
00:06:23.380 And we have this uprising of Indigenous youth who don't want to be at the forefront of environmental protection during a pandemic because we do know that our health is at immediate risk when we also make the choice to move and keep our eyes on construction. 0.85
00:06:42.180 But that's been a really big portion of the last few months amidst the pandemic is that a lot of young people who maybe would be advised by their families and community members and friends to be staying inside and to be practicing social distancing, but are now having to find new and creative measures to keep a watchful eye on construction and on resource extraction industries that are taking advantage of our inability.
00:07:12.180 to be in cities gathering and standing in direct opposition of these companies and
00:07:19.100 creating solidarity rallies and marches and nonviolent direct actions in opposition of the
00:07:26.800 work. I'd like to now focus on why development is so dangerous during a global pandemic.
00:07:35.640 While LNG Canada has supposedly sent half of its workforce home and BC Hydro claims to be
00:07:42.100 scaling back to essential workers only. The nature of this work and how workers are housed in man
00:07:48.700 camps creates conditions ripe for the spread of viruses amongst vulnerable communities,
00:07:53.480 both demographically and geographically. So why are man camps hotbeds for the spread of COVID
00:08:00.440 and how is RCMP aiding in its spread? Well, the state and the RCMP are protecting this private
00:08:08.560 industry and they're aiding and abetting unwelcome guests on Wet'suwet'en land and speaking
00:08:17.040 specifically about man camps we know that they are hotbeds for violence against women and children
00:08:23.960 but also that same violence that we see against women and children is also the same violence that 0.94
00:08:30.880 I think that they show towards each other and so living as transient workers in enclosed spaces
00:08:37.260 for long periods of time and being unjustly treated by these companies that are paying them
00:08:42.940 not enough money or there is really no right amount of money for the work that they're doing
00:08:48.620 but their health and their safety is also at risk and I actually constantly think about that because
00:08:55.280 I know that when we do frontline land defense how scary it can be but I also I do consider the
00:09:01.000 the workers and the resource extraction participants their health and safety also
00:09:07.340 comes to mind i know that man camp it's those tiny little portable units that are housed in
00:09:12.820 remote areas in land that they are not welcome in it's not a safe place they don't have proper
00:09:19.760 and adequate access to um showering facilities bathroom facilities and then first and foremost
00:09:28.080 health and safety equipment.
00:09:32.760 Thank you for speaking so compassionately for the workers.
00:09:37.580 I think that's a story that's left untold throughout these narratives regarding man
00:09:44.280 camps and these resource extractive industries and thinking about these transient workers,
00:09:51.300 like you're saying, who are brought from their communities and their homes and their
00:09:55.840 culture to a place that's isolated where they're unwanted and they don't have access a lot of times
00:10:02.140 to showers, bathrooms, all of these things. I don't think many people go that far to think
00:10:07.720 psychologically what they have to go through in order to destroy land that isn't theirs,
00:10:13.780 that they know people are fighting against them. I'm sure that... Yeah, please.
00:10:20.520 I think that it's really important to acknowledge that a company that promotes violence and is dependent on violence to operate, like a resource extraction company, as Coastal GasLink is, also promotes the violence.
00:10:35.900 They promote it within their workforce.
00:10:38.940 They generate that violence.
00:10:40.880 For that system to work, they need violence within their own ranks.
00:10:44.700 And so I think it is my responsibility to share and think constantly about the workers, as well as like my community and my family and my friends and the people that look like me and think like me to also keep them in mind, because I don't think that people are always necessarily fully willing participants in resource extraction.
00:11:05.980 I think that it has been offered as one of the only ways forward and under capitalism, under colonialism.
00:11:14.700 Well, you've pointed out that indigenous sovereignty and survival is unequivocally
00:11:19.640 dependent upon preventing any further resource extraction. And I'm thinking about this in
00:11:25.340 context to land defense during COVID-19, where we're being presented with this choice between
00:11:31.180 protecting the land or protecting community, but it's one and the same. And by the time listeners
00:11:37.960 hear this episode, things may have changed, but I think we can use this moment as an example because
00:11:44.120 corporate fascists will continue to exploit future pandemics or moments of crisis, so we must learn
00:11:51.420 how to work through them. And I'm wondering, what does land defense look like amidst pandemic in
00:11:57.000 terms of community safety, as well as the risks when it comes to the lack of public awareness or
00:12:02.340 attention to development? I mean, we're no strangers to creative resistance as Indigenous
00:12:09.620 people, as poor people, as impoverished people, as people who have been marginalized. Creativity
00:12:16.000 is probably at the very forefront of the work that we do always, regardless of global pandemics.
00:12:23.340 I'm always going to be thinking about my health. I'm always going to be thinking about creative
00:12:28.560 ways to keep the cops away from me. I'm always going to be thinking about how to ensure my family
00:12:34.280 is safe when they are in remote areas and when they're unreachable through cell phones and
00:12:40.580 are out of GPS location. So I think right now, some of the forefront of what creative activism
00:12:48.920 looks like is people protesting from vehicle brigades and socially distant marches that are
00:12:57.760 happening, arm lengths away from each other. Those are all incredibly important for us to utilize,
00:13:05.040 but I think on the groundwork and reminding ourselves that our people were dying before
00:13:10.280 this pandemic started, and we will continue to die after the pandemic is over. And COVID,
00:13:16.320 as much as it is a disease that we can tangibly hold and see and know that it is affecting us
00:13:22.740 numbers-wise and the government is creating these statistical analysis, we know that we've been
00:13:29.800 facing this same extinction for hundreds of years. This is no different to me than smallpox.
00:13:36.480 This is no different to me than resource extraction, taking women and children from my 0.67
00:13:43.020 communities. This is no different from drug and alcohol abuse within my homelands because people
00:13:50.080 are so sick and having such a hard time coping with the trauma of what has happened to our land
00:13:56.580 I think that creative resistance is when we just stand up and we just keep doing the work that we
00:14:03.080 can do because we know that this is not going to stop I hear you that this current pandemic
00:14:11.920 is really just connected to so many other pandemics and genocides and apocalypses for
00:14:21.760 indigenous folks. And I was looking at a book the other day, I was with my mom and I live
00:14:28.860 in the Redwoods and there was this old logging book. And it was like, I don't remember the name
00:14:35.220 of it, but it was definitely a type of white man's ego boost about old growth logging. It was
00:14:41.060 sickening. It was like the glory days and showing just the extensive devastation of these lands of
00:14:51.420 Northern California and Oregon and Washington during the big old growth logging boom. And as
00:14:56.960 I was looking at this and I was looking at these white dudes looking so proud of themselves as they 0.98
00:15:02.480 just completely decimated these forests and gosh, the creeks and these temporary railroads and 0.90
00:15:10.980 all the infrastructure that was created for this this really short period of time and where my mind 0.95
00:15:17.840 went was what must the indigenous people like how how could they have even witnessed something like
00:15:27.180 this to their land and still continued on i do find myself wondering a lot about uh how non-indigenous
00:15:35.440 people also feel, because I know there are a lot of people that ally themselves with
00:15:40.220 Indigenous sovereignty and environmental movements, whether that's Black, whether
00:15:45.420 that's Brown, whether that's Indigenous, whether that's Asian, whether that's white folks.
00:15:51.040 It is so many different people that are being affected by environmental degradation at this
00:15:57.720 time.
00:15:58.400 And I know what it looks like in my community.
00:16:01.320 I know the boil water advisories. I know what poison land looks like. I know about orcas dying. I know about wild salmon disappearing. I know about rivers and streams being infected by poison that's created when people mine.
00:16:21.940 I know about the harm from when women and girls go missing I know about air pollution creating
00:16:30.360 toxic environments that are hard to breathe in but I don't know what it looks like and it feels
00:16:36.540 like when you don't have the same connection to the land because when I see resource extraction
00:16:42.840 when I see pollution it feels like somebody's hurting my family relatives that are hundreds
00:16:50.060 and hundreds of thousands of years in the making are being disrespected. But I wonder what it's
00:16:57.200 like for the people who are newer to this land, whether they were stolen from their homelands
00:17:03.280 and brought, whether they migrated here out of necessity for their lives and their family's
00:17:09.020 lives, or whether they came here as settlers unknowingly participating in genocide or knowingly.
00:17:16.320 I always wonder what those people are going through. And I want to ask questions and I want to have a better understanding, range of understanding so that I can better ally myself with those people when they are ready to stand with me so that we can protect the land together because we are all here now.
00:17:33.880 And I think it really is important to approach this work from as unified a place as possible so that we can all work together.
00:17:40.840 yeah i don't know exactly you know not that i think you're asking me that question but
00:17:49.660 what i think of is the disconnection is so strong with so many settlers the connection to
00:18:00.420 the earth and to land and to trust and consent has been beaten out of people for so long that
00:18:07.240 maybe many settlers aren't consciously hurting when they see the land being destroyed. But I do
00:18:15.280 think that there is a subconscious illness that works within the body. And I think that's why
00:18:21.720 we're seeing so much disease and depression and just overall sickness in people, whether that's
00:18:30.620 because it's a physical sickness that's coming from the pollution, but it's also a spiritual
00:18:34.880 sickness and I don't think anybody can run from it I think that there are things that can
00:18:39.520 distract us from that pain that that enormous pain of being separated from the earth
00:18:48.320 from connection yeah I would imagine that it's a spectrum for settlers and yeah it's really
00:18:55.620 interesting to hear that line of deep questioning that you're going through and I will be sitting
00:19:00.980 in that question with you for probably the rest of my life. And I'm sure our listeners will be
00:19:08.340 as well. So thank you so much for bringing that up. Do you think that that question gets answered
00:19:13.080 a little bit though, when you and I talk or like when people who maybe don't share the same
00:19:19.720 connection I have with the land still respond and then participate with us in environmental
00:19:25.260 protection efforts, when they ally themselves on the front lines or when they bring frontline
00:19:30.940 workers meals or when they care for the community in so many different capacities? Do you think
00:19:37.720 that that question of connection kind of becomes solved and that there is connection being built?
00:19:44.040 Absolutely. I think it's like an internal homecoming back to maybe some people call it
00:19:50.400 spirit or you know it's hard for me to put like the the name on it or the word but absolutely I
00:19:57.600 think there's so much healing when settlers decide to ally with indigenous folks with the land
00:20:07.500 because there's just no way that people are not hurting like I said whether subconsciously or
00:20:16.080 I don't think it's actually possible to live in this world and to not be affected by the constant raping and pillaging of the land and the people.
00:20:26.920 And so I absolutely think that when we're talking about this question and people decide to show up, and that could be little by little.
00:20:37.840 And of course, allyship and relationships and trust takes years.
00:20:42.080 It's not something that's going to happen with one protest or one meal being created or one day of meals.
00:20:49.440 But I think that over time, that healing continues when we show up and we do what's right and we live in right relationship to the land.
00:21:00.300 Because I think when we are not in right relationship with the land, we'll never be free.
00:21:05.280 We'll never actually have a spiritual liberation.
00:21:08.100 we'll always be imprisoned by this pain knowing that we're causing harm like how can we ever
00:21:13.600 really be healed when we know we're causing so much harm even if we don't want to admit it to
00:21:18.780 ourselves we can look all around us and see it maybe people don't know the word for suburban
00:21:25.240 sprawl or maybe they don't really understand what's happening with mining but where there is
00:21:30.840 strip malls there once were wetlands or old growth forest or prairies filled with biodiversity and
00:21:38.500 abundance and community. And community has been replaced by capitalism and consumerism. And even
00:21:46.260 though maybe that for a moment distracts us enough to fill the void, it's never going to fill the
00:21:51.740 void. And so there's always going to be this longing to feel something else. And consumerism,
00:21:58.300 capitalism, success, quote unquote, it's never going to fill that. So I think that longing can
00:22:04.000 only be met when right relationship to the land is being worked on. Oh, I love that. I think
00:22:12.480 community building is our strength. I think that unity, even if you show up imperfectly,
00:22:19.020 is important. It matters and it changes things because showing up even imperfectly
00:22:25.680 is still showing up it means that you've activated something in your body something in your mind
00:22:31.280 something in your spirit that has told you it's time it's time for me as an individual to take
00:22:37.600 responsibility even if I might not be the person that is first and foremost affected by this
00:22:42.880 environmental degradation it is my responsibility to uphold the voices and the strengths and the
00:22:50.060 lives of the people who are first and foremost affected so that one day maybe my children's
00:22:55.720 children also get to inherit a land that I've gotten to witness as beautiful and as perfect
00:23:01.980 and that is deserving of defense.
00:23:20.060 Thank you.
00:23:50.060 Thank you.
00:24:20.060 Well, I want to also bring up the Trans Mountain Expansion Project
00:24:39.820 that's continuing in BC and Alberta amidst the pandemic.
00:24:44.480 And after the Supreme Court of Canada declined an appeal brought forth by the Squamish and the Slatewatooth Nations and the Chilquayuk tribe and the Coldwater Indian Band that challenged the re-approval of the pipeline's construction, and I've learned that under federal law, the pipeline is unable to transport to any oil without insurance because of the inherent risk it poses.
00:25:08.800 And currently, global insurance companies are providing Trans Mountain over $500 million in coverage. Companies like Liberty Mutual, Zurich, Temple Insurance, and AIG. So can you speak to the absolute absurdity of not only Trans Mountain, but the half a billion insurance policy that is covering it in times of austerity?
00:25:33.440 I think the best way for me to approach that is to talk about Kanahu's manual. It's somebody that
00:25:43.420 I look up to deeply and somebody that has paved the way for young people like myself
00:25:50.020 to do the work that we do. She is standing in direct opposition of the Trans Mountain Pipeline
00:25:56.360 a land defense camp known as the tiny house warriors and she's using what she has she's
00:26:03.820 putting her body on the line she has created a healing space for young indigenous youth that
00:26:09.200 have been on the front lines to go home and to heal and to eat and to to practice traditional
00:26:16.680 medicine to sing and to be in community together and so the absurdities aside I think that it's
00:26:25.080 important to focus on the thriving actions and behaviors that are being taken on behalf of
00:26:31.680 Indigenous women specifically who are on the front lines of land defense. I think that it's hurtful
00:26:38.900 to hear that all of these international companies are contributing to the environmental devastation
00:26:46.780 that's taking place on this pristine land when I don't think many of those people have ever visited
00:26:52.520 that land and I don't think that they've ever met any of the people that they are affecting
00:26:56.480 but I think it is important to always keep my focus and my love and my attention on the people
00:27:04.020 that are protecting it most and Kanahus always comes to mind she's so strong and the work that
00:27:10.760 she does it revives traditions that are thousands and thousands of years in the making she's an
00:27:16.540 Indigenous tattoo artist. She is a birth worker. She works on justice for women who have been harmed
00:27:23.420 by sexual-based violence and gender-based violence. Her work is so much more important
00:27:31.260 than anything that that company could ever produce. And I want people to always remember that
00:27:36.900 resource extraction does not belong on her land and the work that she does, it will stop that
00:27:43.120 pipeline. Yes. Thank you for reorienting that perspective. Even I'd like to transition our 1.00
00:27:51.780 conversation to discuss youth leadership and the grassroots collective indigenous youth for
00:27:57.180 Wet'suwet'en. And I'm thinking back to this past winter and a banner that was displayed during the
00:28:04.380 youth led solidarity occupations that took place in Victoria and Vancouver, which read first,
00:28:09.420 they took the children from the land, now they take the land from the children. A powerful
00:28:14.240 proclamation and telling of history. Can you begin by sharing your experience and the importance of
00:28:20.180 Indigenous youth for Wet'suwet'en? It's really important, that quote that you just reminded me
00:28:26.320 of, because the land has constantly, constantly been under attack. People have constantly tried
00:28:33.240 to possess it. And through land dispossession from Indigenous people, there's been tactics that
00:28:39.560 have been used against us by the Canadian government and multinational corporations.
00:28:44.300 And they know that as a matriarchal society, as most Indigenous communities residing on the West
00:28:50.380 Coast are, that our women and our children are the backbones of our society. They make us who we are.
00:28:58.160 they enact law, they create the societies that we live in, they govern those societies with love
00:29:04.680 and constant attention, and that the theft of children is the breakdown of our communities.
00:29:11.140 It's a really hard topic to talk about, honestly, because I personally have experienced what it
00:29:17.100 means to be separated from my family as a result of land offense. And I think a lot about my mom's
00:29:22.880 resilience because she spent a lot of time in courtrooms and a lot of time in jail cells for 0.99
00:29:28.660 the work that she does but that also means a breakdown from our familial relationships and
00:29:34.180 that sometimes means that students of hers would have to come and tell me that I wouldn't be seeing
00:29:39.520 my mom for a couple days because she was like back in jail or had been arrested and I think that's a
00:29:46.220 really important thing to remember is that that resilience comes at a price and sometimes that
00:29:51.120 means separation from children and sometimes that means separation from what makes you whole and I
00:29:57.780 think a lot about that because now as an adult I witness my mom's strength and I want to embody
00:30:04.700 that same strength but I know that it comes at a price and I'm starting to pay that price as well
00:30:10.220 sometimes that means unstable housing sometimes that means not ever getting the education that
00:30:15.440 you dream about. I mean, I have like a grade 10 level education at best. I don't, I didn't go to
00:30:21.440 school very much or very frequently due to a lot of my mom's work. We ended up just being like
00:30:27.960 underhoused and constantly in survival mode. And I think about the things that you exchange.
00:30:34.120 It's not always taken, but it is exchanged. Like the lives that we live, we exchange one for another
00:30:40.160 and environmental protection work it's not always paid and it's not always pretty but
00:30:46.120 it's something that makes you whole when you don't have your culture always intact it becomes a new
00:30:52.300 culture and it becomes something that we get to hold on to that's different and just as meaningful
00:30:56.860 as the old traditions that we've had for thousands of years
00:30:59.840 speaking of this survival you write quote not one of us wants to live in this constant state
00:31:09.640 of survival where we have to blockade traffic, shut down railways, occupy offices, or sacrifice
00:31:16.740 our physical safety so people hear our voices. I feel so sad. Our people aren't meant to live
00:31:23.680 in this cycle of survival. Everything we need to thrive is here on earth. It's traumatizing to be
00:31:29.380 trapped in a cycle of genocide designed to remove us from our homes at gunpoint in favor of corporate
00:31:35.240 profit. But we've been here since the beginning. It's only 500 years that has changed our
00:31:41.780 relationship to the land. I'm really exhausted by cycles of survival. I'm exhausted that this
00:31:48.220 work weighs heavily on the backs of the youngest generation. But I also know that this work is
00:31:53.880 crucial and that responsibility is an honor. We live in a crucial moment in history where so many
00:32:00.060 people have sacrificed so much so we could be here as young indigenous people end quote
00:32:06.380 and i'm thinking about how the role of youth is absolutely necessary in ushering a different world
00:32:14.700 as youth are perhaps actually much more prepared to undergo periods of deep pain and transformation
00:32:21.820 in the pursuit of creating a different world and this is certainly not to romanticize this process
00:32:28.000 but a recognition that young people are not wasting time on negotiations or superficial
00:32:34.380 acts of inclusion or recognition. They are truly here for world-making because they are living in
00:32:41.520 a world where reforms and reconciliations have already failed. So how are youth leaders
00:32:48.580 envisioning a different world? I think we're enacting it when we step out on the front lines
00:32:55.680 And we choose to care for ourselves, each other, and the broader community when we step into environmental justice work. That's been my conduit to finding love for myself and love for my people and love for my culture.
00:33:13.240 I think that Indigenous youth are becoming the forefront of environmental protection out of necessity.
00:33:20.120 We've grown up in adversity in an environment that we feel is constantly punishing us for being born and that we've willfully denied colonialism as it tries to change who we are, erase who we are, eliminate us from the land.
00:33:36.460 And I think that the destiny of many young Indigenous people, it was prayed for by our elders. And I think that people that are no longer with us had made this decision before we were ever here. And so I think there's a more divine connection to the work that's happening now.
00:33:54.640 Nothing I could ever say, no words in the English language could ever exemplify that connection.
00:33:59.920 But I know I feel a responsibility to generations ahead of me that I've never met.
00:34:06.200 And I know that even though I may not benefit from any of the work that I do right now,
00:34:11.160 I hope and I pray that this work will show the next generation and the generation after that,
00:34:16.700 that I love them and that I care deeply about them and that I don't want them to always have to be in survival mode.
00:34:23.700 I don't want them to have to blockade traffic. I do not want them to have to face arrest. I do not want the police to be violent towards them. And I do not want the land that will teach them to love themselves to be degraded by resource extraction.
00:34:39.380 i think that the connection that i have to generations to come is so much deeper and so
00:34:47.340 much older than anything i could ever describe but i know that it's a responsibility that i feel
00:34:52.720 an honor and a connection to and a love i just feel a love for the next generation because i
00:35:01.340 want them to become whatever they want to be and i want it to be a possibility outside of violence
00:35:07.360 the violence that I've experienced myself. I don't want that for them. I do not want militarized
00:35:14.140 raids. I do not want any more missing and murdered Indigenous women, girls, and Two-Spirit people. 1.00
00:35:20.100 I don't want to constantly be in survival mode in that next generation. And I think that 1.00
00:35:26.040 knowing that there's a possibility for a brighter future for them
00:35:30.820 is that young people right now are taking that responsibility. We're taking our destinies into
00:35:37.280 our own hands when we do this work, it's time. It's time for us to stand up. It's time for us
00:35:43.100 to fight back. It's time for us to say no to environmental degradation, to police violence,
00:35:49.120 to xenophobia, to homophobia, to transphobia. We are so lucky to have such massive access to
00:35:55.980 education, mostly through online platforms. And I think that is what's pushing us so far forward
00:36:01.580 right now is that connection that we're constantly feeling and growing and constructing through
00:36:08.880 online communities as much as we also have our like home communities sometimes I think it's
00:36:14.520 really powerful for maybe children in the north to have access to Instagram so that they can find
00:36:19.500 different people that maybe have a sexual orientation or a gender orientation that's
00:36:24.780 closer to what they experience, but cannot express themselves.
00:36:27.960 And I think that this age of social media being a conduit for information sharing and
00:36:38.240 media sharing and news sharing, I think that it's paving the way for a better way forward
00:36:45.080 for us, a more educated way forward.
00:36:47.180 And I hope that whatever digital imprint I leave on this land, the next generation can keep that work going and they can keep sharing with each other. That's all I can really hope for.
00:37:02.080 yeah well i'd like to talk about how canada is such an obvious example that colonial governments
00:37:15.360 do not and will not care about climate change we can't keep blindly believing that policy change
00:37:21.940 or liberal settlerism is going to create a livable future in preparation for this interview for
00:37:28.060 example, I learned that it is estimated that the upstream emissions from the additional oil
00:37:33.880 produced by Trans Mountain, which was purchased by the Canadian federal government in 2018,
00:37:39.800 will release up to 15 million tons of carbon dioxide each year. Similarly, British Columbia's
00:37:46.640 government is looking at how they can buy emission reduction credits to offset industrial development
00:37:53.720 from liquefied natural gas so that they can frack as much as they want and then sell it to other
00:37:59.560 countries at a lower price in exchange for emissions reduction credits. It's just, again,
00:38:06.980 like insanity. So in your own words, how do you see federal or provincial climate leadership
00:38:14.380 as an absolute deception? I think that any form of illegitimate governments that are built on the
00:38:21.500 backs of slave-owning, village pillaging, and women-killing communities will always be in 0.77
00:38:29.840 direct opposition of what we all need. I just think the Canadian government is absolutely
00:38:35.360 illegitimate. They have no jurisdiction on our homelands. And so any of the legislative power
00:38:42.740 that they hold also is illegitimate. And the laws that they create on this land are in direct
00:38:48.740 opposition of the natural laws that we have been ruled by for thousands and thousands of years.
00:38:54.680 And so I don't think anything good could ever come from system reform. I think that total
00:39:02.160 abolition of these systems, including the Canadian government, is what is necessary because it will
00:39:09.860 always reproduce harm if the foundation is built on genocide. Yeah. And speaking of abolition,
00:39:18.740 here in the States, there is a mass movement that is finally recognizing that the police were created
00:39:24.860 to protect property, not people. And within that, particularly the so-called property of slave
00:39:32.140 owners. Similarly, the mounted police were designed after a militarized colonial police force
00:39:38.160 used by the British to control the Irish. You've pointed out many times that the RCMP protects
00:39:44.560 profit. So can you speak to RCMP's role in protecting and maintaining CGL and infrastructure
00:39:52.100 development across so-called Canada and the reality that the police state is also completely
00:39:57.900 antithetical to climate security? I think it's important to always reflect on the historical
00:40:06.780 inception of police and remember, yeah, that they were created to keep rowdy Indians on the 0.99
00:40:14.060 reservation and off of our homelands and the places that we've known for so long so that
00:40:21.280 the colonial project that is now known as Canada could be more accurately settled anything
00:40:28.740 created to harm people at its roots could never be effective at protecting anybody
00:40:35.620 so I think that it is in the favor of all people every single person who's living under this
00:40:43.960 colonial government structure to participate in abolition of the police because they do not keep
00:40:49.740 Indigenous people safe. I've never felt safe surrounded by police. I've never felt like they've
00:40:55.080 protected the land. I've never felt like they've stood for my rights. And I think that if there's
00:41:01.900 anybody that they're not protecting, then none of us are protected. It is in the direct favor of all
00:41:08.320 people living on this land to abolish those police systems because if they can turn on one group
00:41:13.960 they can turn on all groups. And it's really important to find new and imaginative futuristic
00:41:19.180 ways for us to protect ourselves and grow and build capacity within our communities
00:41:24.460 so that we can find a better way forward. Yeah. And I'm thinking about how the police
00:41:31.340 protect profit. And I also feel that the media is, of course, another arm in profit protection
00:41:38.900 and that the media in Canada does not favor Indigenous people.
00:41:43.540 So I'm wondering if you could speak to how the media has covered Wet'suwet'en solidarity.
00:41:49.480 I mean, I think at the very beginning, when Wet'suwet'en people first reoccupied that
00:41:56.780 healing place on their land to start a healing center, it was seen as an occupation.
00:42:03.740 it's been seen as like a squatting grounds almost when really it's just elders women children who
00:42:11.280 are returning to their homelands and participating in centuries old traditions and I think that
00:42:18.960 the media's portrayal of environmental protection it fits into a really small box and it's not very
00:42:26.160 expansive and it it isn't very kind to people who they don't understand and I think that is
00:42:32.540 probably like the largest issue within media and communications around Indigenous issues is that
00:42:38.820 they just don't know who we are. They don't try to get to understand who we are. And there is no
00:42:44.280 general love or curiosity for what we are because it doesn't serve corporate profit. It doesn't
00:42:51.400 generate wealth under capitalism. It generates wealth within our like our homelands. It generates
00:42:56.460 wealth within our communities because a connection to the earth is the most powerful thing that you
00:43:00.940 could have. But in the capitalistic sense, it doesn't create anything. And I think media just
00:43:07.020 doesn't understand that. I think that there is no care right now. I think that the media has
00:43:12.860 been super careless and very dangerous with the lives of Indigenous people who are living in
00:43:19.280 conjunction with natural laws that are in existence. And I hope and I pray that one day 1.00
00:43:26.720 there will be people and I think that it's happening right now yourself included in this
00:43:32.000 that our stories are told and they're told within our voices and they're told in honor of the work
00:43:38.700 that we do so that more people can hear what's really happening I want our lives to be thought
00:43:45.100 about carefully I want the work that we do to be thought about carefully because media right now
00:43:52.080 is actually contributing to a lot of the harm that people are experiencing on the front lines,
00:43:56.880 especially. I think that careless reporting can lead to violence. And I think that it does,
00:44:02.680 whether it's online violence and threats of abuse, or whether it's people showing up to
00:44:08.580 front lines to agitate, interrogate, and cause physical harm to people who are just living on
00:44:17.820 their homelands in spite of colonial occupation. I think that a lot of people don't realize that
00:44:24.440 Indigenous people have jurisdiction over their land and over their bodies, and that when we
00:44:30.340 reoccupy our homelands and create healing centers, child care, birth working centers,
00:44:36.520 all of these different things, this is just us living our lives as best we can under colonial
00:44:42.320 siege and it's really really important now more than ever for the media to listen to our voices
00:44:48.720 to see what we are doing to see that we are non-violent and that we are always just in search
00:44:54.240 of a better way forward and survival we are always here just to survive and it's about time that the
00:45:01.440 media takes more notice of that we're not evil protesters and we're not trying to sabotage this
00:45:09.480 like Canadian life that so many people are trying to lead. We are just trying to survive.
00:45:39.480 When I'm longing for you
00:46:00.900 All my dreams come alive
00:46:06.320 Take me down, take me down South, take me down
00:46:16.760 Feel the warmth, feel my blood circling
00:46:24.300 Feel the warmth, feel my blood circling
00:46:36.320 Talking about the RCMP and Indigenous sovereignty, I want to take a moment to continue to remember
00:46:47.900 Chantal Moore, who was murdered by the police in New Brunswick. Across North America,
00:46:54.220 we continue to grapple with missing and murdered Indigenous women, children, and two-spirits who
00:47:00.780 were murdered by the state or disappear without any follow-up. Last year, Canada released its
00:47:06.500 report on MMIW, which offered 231 recommendations to the government, police, and public on these
00:47:14.760 issues. But we're left wondering how many reports will be needed. And for listeners, how much more
00:47:22.740 awareness will have to be generated before change happens? How many times will Indigenous voices
00:47:28.600 have to articulate this grave concern. So I'd like to ask, has this report made any difference
00:47:36.620 at all in the past year? And if not, what will it take and why is it impossible for any government
00:47:43.880 to say they care about the well-being of Indigenous women and children when they
00:47:48.200 simultaneously back the development of oil and gas pipelines? I think that's a really important
00:47:54.260 point that you brought up, especially around the contradictory efforts of the Canadian government to
00:48:01.320 one, release these reports talking about the violence that Indigenous women and girls experience
00:48:07.860 while simultaneously allowing for resource extraction to go full steam ahead. I think 0.98
00:48:13.360 that's really important to constantly recognize that this government and the figureheads that
00:48:19.420 our elected leaders within the country are only doing those commissions and reports because
00:48:26.780 people have demanded for so many years. And it is becoming, as a result of Indigenous women 1.00
00:48:33.260 at the forefront of media who are constantly talking about these stories, it is becoming
00:48:38.420 stories that they can no longer ignore. But I do not think that commissions and reports do the jobs
00:48:44.380 and the justice of people on the front lines and the people that go looking for these women.
00:48:49.420 and the people that demand justice for the murdered.
00:48:53.360 And I think that it's really important to constantly remind ourselves
00:48:56.860 that these colonial governments and institutions were not just built on our lands
00:49:00.980 without our permission, but were built in direct opposition of our lives,
00:49:05.700 and nothing that they could produce would ever create justice for us in this life.
00:49:10.900 i know we have spoken about a number of different topics throughout this conversation but
00:49:21.360 i wonder what are you conjuring for our collective future amidst these times of
00:49:29.260 great uncertainty and tumultuousness and i know you had mentioned a bit earlier about
00:49:35.580 what you as an indigenous youth would like to see but maybe we could even go into this practice a
00:49:42.660 bit deeper and whether you want to speak directly about what you could see for the land itself
00:49:50.780 or for community building or any of the topics that we've covered I just want to get into this
00:49:58.460 future world building with you and really hear what you're calling in?
00:50:05.320 I think at the foundation of what I see for a future for this land is based upon respect.
00:50:13.220 It's based upon traditional principles that allow the water to remain clean and the land
00:50:18.700 to remain undegradated and the air to be clear.
00:50:22.880 I think that it's really important to constantly keep our ancestors values at the forefront of whatever work we do, no matter what decade we're living in a future where black lives matter is really important.
00:50:35.840 I think a future where Indigenous issues are at the forefront of environmental conversations, justice for missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls and two-spirit people, gender-based violence being a topic of household conversation.
00:50:53.320 I think it's those steps.
00:50:55.180 I don't think that a future is created quickly.
00:50:57.260 I think that everything moves very slowly. And as people become more educated, that's the future I dream of where education around these topics that will keep popping up are being talked about because the concerns that I have and I hold are so deep and they're so felt that I need other people to participate with me.
00:51:19.940 Now in these conversations, contemporary conversations around people who are missing, people who are being snatched, people who are being taken, human rights that are being violated, environments that are being disregarded, I think it's really important that that future encompasses all of the contemporary issues that we have now and takes those issues into account and demands justice for all of the problems that we're facing today.
00:51:49.180 I think that future feels really distant, but it gets closer and closer every day that people fight for police abolition, trans rights, queer justice, justice for all living people who have been oppressed and marginalized.
00:52:06.420 I think that that is the future.
00:52:08.980 And I don't get to determine what it looks like and I might not get to live it.
00:52:12.720 But within my own community, I'm already creating it when we respect each other, when we show each other love, when we work for each other to create environments that are safe.
00:52:24.860 I think that's like the future I live in my household, when people respect each other's pronouns, when they think thoughtfully about people who are neurodivergent, when people discuss gender and gender based violence, when people take care of each other and love each other and share food and share housing, share resources, that is the future that I am creating.
00:52:49.520 and it's happening within my community it's happening within my household and I think it's
00:52:54.820 really important to acknowledge that these futures do exist but they exist in small pockets and
00:53:00.780 they're created by people who work really hard to constantly survive and sometimes the outside
00:53:06.480 world punishes them for that survival but they are happening and they happen in communities that
00:53:12.600 maybe people would disregard I think reservations are a really good one the foundation of a lot of
00:53:19.080 the indigenous people who have been pushed on reserve living here in what's now known as Canada
00:53:24.860 they do incredible work they create incredible movements of love and of community care but
00:53:35.580 maybe don't have the academic language to name it but it's work that's happening because I know
00:53:42.600 when my aunties create care packages and fundraisers and do that work in their homelands
00:53:49.020 that is creating a future that I get to exist in
00:53:53.800 and I get to learn from.
00:53:59.260 Oh, Sam, this has been such a deep and powerful conversation.
00:54:06.540 I already had so much respect for you
00:54:09.200 before meeting you in this way
00:54:12.840 and getting to know you a bit better
00:54:15.700 through this time we've spent
00:54:17.780 has just grown my, yeah, my respect, my care for you and your vision for the future. And
00:54:25.680 I'd like to take a moment and ask you, how can the listeners tuning in support you,
00:54:32.920 support the Indigenous youth for Wet'suwet'en, and how can people stand for the land? And
00:54:39.220 yeah, I just, I want to be able to direct the listeners who I'm sure are feeling so moved by
00:54:45.860 everything that you've said, I want to be able to offer folks the ability to engage and be involved
00:54:53.540 and support you. One of the things that I keep coming back to is visibility and amplification
00:55:00.300 of marginalized voices. And so whether it's through social media, whether it's in your
00:55:08.340 home communities, there are a lot of different ways that you can support people who are doing
00:55:12.700 environmental work whether it's donation-based whether it's amplifying social media posts
00:55:18.600 whether it's just engaging with new information and learning about the people who are at the
00:55:24.980 forefront of these movements there are a lot of different ways that we can all participate
00:55:29.460 one of the things that I I constantly go back to is the visibility thing though because this work
00:55:35.700 happens quietly sometimes it happens very slowly and a lot of the time it happens in the background
00:55:42.640 of a world that's moving really fast.
00:55:45.200 And I think that it's really important for people
00:55:47.180 to constantly try and seek out the information,
00:55:51.520 try and seek out what's happening,
00:55:53.240 try and look for us, like find us
00:55:55.180 because I'm not the only person doing this work.
00:55:57.980 I am definitely on the younger side of things.
00:56:00.380 And I think a lot of people kind of forget that
00:56:02.820 when I'm in spaces with much older folks,
00:56:05.420 but it is important to seek us out and amplify our voices.
00:56:10.080 My biggest thing is I use social media.
00:56:12.640 And one of the things that I always ask people is like, please, like if you ever see something happen to me, I know you mentioned at the start of this conversation that you had seen some posts about police surrounding a vehicle that I was inside of with a number of other young Indigenous women who were patrolling a pipeline farm, sorry, a holding site.
00:56:33.860 And I think those moments when you're trapped in a car and surrounded by police, it's important to have visibility. It's important for people to remember who you were so that if anything bad ever happened, that people would come looking for you or would demand your justice.
00:56:46.920 I think that visibility is our strength right now
00:56:51.300 so that we don't get forgotten
00:56:53.040 because there are a lot of people who have been forgotten
00:56:55.640 there are a lot of people who have suffered the consequences
00:56:58.580 of doing this work while never ever having their voices heard
00:57:02.900 and I think that that's where my safety lies
00:57:06.040 is when people care about who I am
00:57:08.140 care about who my relatives are
00:57:10.060 and show genuine love and concern
00:57:12.460 when they see us being violated by the Canadian government
00:57:16.580 violated by the RCMP violated by coastal gas link workers the harm stops when people are watching
00:57:24.220 it's not as easy to perpetuate violence when there are eyes on you
00:57:29.000 wow Sam thank you and I take that ask to heart and us at For the Wild will definitely be
00:57:43.360 looking out for you in the ways that we can and i'm sure that the folks listening to this
00:57:50.740 will feel the same way so you have you have our eyes and ears ayana thank you so much i cannot
00:57:59.760 tell you how much i appreciate your time and your concern and your love for our community and the
00:58:06.880 environment i know that you're in this for the long haul and i feel the love that you have for
00:58:11.720 all of us and i'm so thankful thank you for listening to another episode of for the wild
00:58:21.220 podcast the music you heard today was from elisa pay i'd like to thank our podcast production team
00:58:28.220 francesca glassbell erica ekram and melanie younger
00:58:41.720 Thank you.