If Books Could Kill - April 16, 2026


CROSSOVER EVENT: Tim Ferriss’s "The 4-Hour Body"

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00:00:00.000 Uh, should we have Peter do it?
00:00:13.040 Whoa!
00:00:14.160 Peter's never listened to our show, so he doesn't know the format.
00:00:16.200 I do, I do.
00:00:17.500 Sort of.
00:00:18.140 It's like, uh...
00:00:19.140 Wait, what's your tagline format?
00:00:25.340 I've heard it a hundred times, and now I can't remember the format, because I'm just confusing
00:00:27.940 it with hours in my head.
00:00:29.100 We could do a little, Peter, what do you know about the four-hour body?
00:00:34.260 Peter's not convinced.
00:00:37.080 Decline!
00:00:38.740 It's your podcast.
00:00:40.300 If you want to degrade it by using our lazy format.
00:00:44.340 We'll do one then, Peter.
00:00:45.440 You're trying to figure out a way where it's my responsibility to come up with a tagline.
00:00:49.600 100%.
00:00:49.960 Mike is eternally trying to weasel his way out of doing the tagline.
00:00:54.300 What if we made you a part of this, Peter?
00:00:55.880 What if we...
00:00:57.800 Peter, I want you to feel like you have some real ownership here.
00:01:02.900 Okay, this probably doesn't work.
00:01:05.600 Welcome to Maintenance Phase, the podcast that has 36 hours left every week for face.
00:01:11.020 Because it's a four-hour body, but you have like 36 hours left in the work week.
00:01:14.660 Yeah, no, sick.
00:01:16.440 Thank you.
00:01:17.480 Thank you.
00:01:20.660 I'm Aubrey Gordon.
00:01:21.900 I'm Michael Hobbs.
00:01:22.880 I'm Peter Shamsheri.
00:01:24.180 If you would like to support the show, you can do that at patreon.com slash maintenance phase,
00:01:28.280 or you can subscribe on Apple podcast. It's the same audio content.
00:01:33.680 Michael.
00:01:34.760 Peter.
00:01:35.340 Aubrey.
00:01:35.940 So for those of you who are unfamiliar, Peter is Michael's co-host on If Books Could Kill.
00:01:41.300 Other podcasts.
00:01:41.700 Peter is joining us today for a sort of like a very delayed follow up
00:01:47.420 to your Tim Ferriss four hour work week episode.
00:01:51.620 Yes.
00:01:51.860 Incredible cross promo. The only podcast I could appear on where there's absolutely no new fans
00:01:58.000 being brought on. So today we are talking about Tim Ferriss's follow up to the four hour work
00:02:04.780 week. It's called the four hour body body by Tim. Peter, do you recall it has been a minute. Do you
00:02:11.000 recall any of the sort of high points from the four hour work week? Broadly speaking, Tim had
00:02:16.420 this idea where if you like create passive streams of income and then automate all of your work you
00:02:24.740 can bring your work week down to four hours and basically do nothing this doesn't work as well
00:02:29.640 with body because you can't like hire people in india to do sit-ups for you right also four hour
00:02:35.600 work week is like oh great i'm losing 36 hours of my work week four hour body is like yeah that's
00:02:41.180 a good amount of working out yeah that's actually that's like a normal amount of working out well
00:02:45.220 It will comfort you both to learn that there is no mention of four hours anywhere in this.
00:02:50.340 There's no justification for four hours.
00:02:53.300 It's all branding.
00:02:54.460 It's pure clickbait.
00:02:55.680 So for folks who are unfamiliar, Tim Ferriss' primary sort of claims to fame are his long
00:03:01.500 running podcast and this previous book, The 4-Hour Workweek.
00:03:05.560 He's like a life hack guy and an optimization guy.
00:03:09.980 He's also sort of by trade a tech guy and an investor.
00:03:15.220 And like many tech guys and investors, he is rich.
00:03:20.180 And that has given him the brain disease of I am rich, ergo, I must be right about everything.
00:03:25.840 And also, I must be a wellness influencer. 0.99
00:03:27.720 I feel like all these fucking guys want to be like gurus. 0.98
00:03:31.360 Before the four-hour work week, he sold a supplement called Brain Quicken. 0.99
00:03:38.000 Yeah, the four-hour brain.
00:03:39.520 I looked into the active ingredients and it feels like very like trademark Tim Ferriss that he is listing out a bunch of like very scientific names for things.
00:03:53.820 He's doing the thing of saying ascorbic acid instead of just saying vitamin C.
00:03:57.840 He's saying niacinamide instead of vitamin B.
00:04:00.880 So it sort of obscures that what this pill is, is like there's some adaptogenic mushrooms in it.
00:04:07.880 there's some b vitamins there's some amino acids there's some ginkgo there's some ginseng
00:04:12.820 and there's a fuck ton of caffeine oh so like it was largely a caffeine pill people like i feel
00:04:20.200 amazing on this absolutely that's like all of the comments on all of the reddits are like
00:04:25.160 does anybody know where to find this nothing worked this well and it was like 200 milligrams
00:04:29.960 of caffeine starbucks you can find it at starbucks yeah you can find it in the panera lemonade
00:04:35.900 please enjoy since selling brain quicken tim ferris has mostly been an investor for
00:04:43.120 tech companies like task rabbit and a bunch of others he's a forbes 40 under 40 guy he's a
00:04:49.080 princeton graduate and he has quite an ego on his own website he has two poll quotes that are
00:04:57.740 blown up one is from wired magazine calling him the superman of silicon valley and another one
00:05:05.920 is from the new york times calling him quote a cross between jack welch and a buddhist monk
00:05:11.600 i just want everyone to just think through like what would that even be also he's never 1.00
00:05:21.240 accomplished anything in this case he's just a scam artist he just wrote a stupid fucking book 0.99
00:05:26.580 And the core message of the book, if I recall correctly, is like how to scam other people, like how to start doing seminars and stuff. 0.99
00:05:32.160 Yeah, he was like, the best way to create passive income is to do a scam like the one I'm doing on you right now by writing this book.
00:05:39.780 So you all have provided me with the perfect segue.
00:05:43.380 He did publish the four hour work week in 2007.
00:05:47.040 It is on its face like a life hack manual to just work less.
00:05:51.860 It's a rebrand of work smarter, not harder.
00:05:54.240 among other things. He advises readers to hire people to outsource large parts of your job,
00:06:01.680 as you mentioned, so that you can do less. But he also advises things like, hey, you could become
00:06:07.180 an expert in something. Go buy the top two or three most popular books on the subject. Schedule
00:06:15.760 a free seminar. Invite people to the free seminar and give them like a talk about what you learned
00:06:22.540 from the books basically and then book a bunch of paid speaking gigs off of that free seminar
00:06:30.680 i'm almost nostalgic for this because now it would be like we'll just get chat gpt to read
00:06:34.960 the two most popular books and like you wouldn't even have to absorb the information if you're
00:06:38.980 like hey did his next book include or use any of those tips yes it did three years later in 2010
00:06:46.560 Then Tim Ferriss follows up with the four hour body, the diet part of his book, which
00:06:52.120 is a pretty commanding majority of it, is fully just reheating the nachos of the zone
00:06:57.900 and the South Beach diet.
00:07:00.840 At least he's consistent.
00:07:02.240 He's like, I told you what I was going to do.
00:07:04.200 And then I did it.
00:07:04.980 They are two diets from the mid nineties that at this point had already achieved like really
00:07:09.160 major popularity.
00:07:11.060 These were books that were being sold in airports, had like massive uptake.
00:07:15.160 i remember seeing them at the costco book table it's like basically low carb but not like as
00:07:20.420 extreme as atkins isn't that what the zone and south beach are it's not quite low carb it's
00:07:24.200 something that they call slow carb oh it's like a glycemic index thing yes totally and we'll get
00:07:29.320 into the glycemic index of it all yeah okay just checking in i understand all of this
00:07:33.280 so the core idea behind the four-hour body is that you can lose weight and get shredded with
00:07:43.960 what he refers to as the quote unquote minimum effective dose. So that means he's big on like
00:07:50.180 high intensity interval training where you do like really intense workouts for short periods of time.
00:07:57.140 He's big on like creating little formulas for, for meals. And like, he has a whole section where
00:08:04.380 he's like, I love diet Coke. And I've found that as long as I keep my consumption to under 16 ounces
00:08:08.580 a day it doesn't interrupt my fat loss also it sort of just assumes that like eating healthy
00:08:13.780 and exercising are just chores that nobody would want to do deliberately right it's like what's the
00:08:19.220 least amount of tennis that i can play to like be shredded but like surely the actual advice would
00:08:24.200 be like find something you like doing no because he specifically says about both the diet and the
00:08:29.260 exercise you should not enjoy it he has a whole section where he's like don't confuse recreation
00:08:36.220 with exercise hell yeah you don't like exercise you do like recreation and the sort of implication
00:08:43.300 is like if you're enjoying it then it's not exercise which is man pretty directly counter
00:08:49.000 to all of the research that we have that is like if people like it then they do it regularly and
00:08:53.240 doing it regularly is the thing that matters the most i love the idea that he's innovating by
00:08:57.280 just talking about high intensity workouts for shorter periods of time he's like right he's just 0.95
00:09:01.920 like i have an idea fucking run faster just haul ass on that trend my understanding is that high 0.78
00:09:08.440 intensity interval training is fine but also it was kind of a fad at the time yes a lot of these 0.98
00:09:12.720 guys just fall for fads basically exercise fads and they repackage them as if they're some sort
00:09:16.820 of like deep insight like i can't get over you know brian johnson this guy like the reverse aging
00:09:22.380 millionaire guy who just does intermittent fasting right which is again just like a trend that
00:09:26.460 everybody's hopped on to well doesn't he also transfer his child's blood into himself or
00:09:30.640 something that's less trendy but that's because not everybody has a son yeah and your your son
00:09:34.660 has to be cool your son has to be like all right yeah sure dad one of the things that sort of shows
00:09:39.400 up in the four-hour body is that tim ferris is like we've got so much science to prove so many
00:09:46.280 things but overwhelmingly the science that he refers to is either quote-unquote research that
00:09:52.660 he's just done on himself oh yeah or firsthand accounts from people who read his blog or rat
00:10:00.060 studies oh yeah so i am going to send a quote make peter do it make peter do it are you kidding
00:10:08.060 me do it i'm i'm just like a vent for you to do less work i'm outsourcing my work to peter mike
00:10:16.060 is four hour work weekend right now he's like playing video games and you ask him a question 0.95
00:10:22.160 He's like, Peter, so I am sending this to Michael to fucking read. 0.97
00:10:29.080 Okay, fine. 0.99
00:10:29.800 I'll read it.
00:10:30.160 I'll read it.
00:10:31.300 I've recorded almost every workout I've done since age 18.
00:10:34.260 I've had more than a thousand blood tests performed since 2004, sometimes as often as
00:10:38.660 every two weeks, tracking everything from complete lipid panels, insulin, and hemoglobin
00:10:43.680 A1c to IGF-1 and free testosterone.
00:10:46.460 own. I've had stem cell growth factors imported from Israel to reverse, quote, permanent injuries.
00:10:52.560 And I've flown to rural tea farmers in China to discuss Pu-erh tea's effects on fat loss.
00:10:58.860 All said and done, I've spent more than $250,000 on testing and tweaking over the last decade. 1.00
00:11:05.140 I am a huge fucking sucker. I just want to announce that right off the bat. 0.99
00:11:09.260 Yep, yep, yep, yep.
00:11:09.860 Just as some people have avant-garde furniture or artwork to decorate their homes,
00:11:13.660 I have pulse oximeters, ultrasound machines, and medical devices for measuring everything
00:11:19.220 from galvanic skin response to REM sleep. The kitchen and bathroom look like an ER.
00:11:25.580 If you think that's craziness, you're right. Fortunately, you don't need to be a guinea pig
00:11:30.420 to benefit from one. Let's get it out there off the bat. I am mentally ill.
00:11:34.800 Yeah. Okay. Also, there's just like not really any compelling medical reason to have that many 0.96
00:11:40.400 blood tests he thinks he's finding out a ton of things right i don't trust having read this entire
00:11:47.980 book that he knows enough to know what is sort of worth measuring here and i think that he is like
00:11:56.980 there is like a real core of confirmation bias happening in this book where the stuff that he
00:12:01.960 prioritizes is the stuff that sort of upends expectations right right but also a bunch of
00:12:08.080 it really is just sort of a wealth flex i feel like a lot of these guys get to a point where 0.94
00:12:12.440 they're so rich that they're like it's bullshit that i have to die yeah it's like my life rules
00:12:18.880 in all of these ways my life is better than the average person yeah but like there is this one 1.00
00:12:23.000 great unifying element and that's that i'm going to die and i think that is nonsense and i'm gonna
00:12:28.920 try to i'm gonna try to get out ahead of it 250 000 is so embarrassing it's really stunning because
00:12:35.600 it feels like the end of the day it's gonna be like yeah do exercise and like try to eat a
00:12:40.040 balanced diet of like fruits and vegetables but it's like these guys want this sort of one weird
00:12:43.940 trick kind of thing or some sort of shortcut but it's not clear to me that like all of this data
00:12:47.800 about yourself really offers that much to your health yeah i mean i will also say like a bunch
00:12:52.400 of these sorts of devices end up like i recently had a family member who had lung cancer and was
00:12:59.840 using a pulse oximeter like all the time that became sort of a source of like fixation and
00:13:06.780 anxiety right and the health care providers that i talked to sort of in the process of all of this
00:13:11.280 were like that's actually like really common particularly for men to get especially hung up
00:13:17.940 on like what is this measurably doing not as a way of like discerning information about themselves
00:13:25.220 but as a way of like discharging anxiety that they're having about their health he feels like
00:13:29.200 he's taking back control because he's measuring something because like yeah why are you getting
00:13:32.360 an ultrasound not only why are you getting an ultrasound why do you own an ultrasound machine
00:13:37.420 so he has sort of a little thesis for the book and sort of like a little bit of a rallying cry
00:13:45.580 for like what he thinks this is all about i am sending another quote to the chat peter okay you
00:13:54.220 guys can trade off how about that i just want to um this is unpaid work i'm doing i view 4hb as a
00:13:59.340 manifesto a call to arms for a new mental model of living the experimental lifestyle it's up to you
00:14:05.120 not your doctor not the newspaper to learn what you best respond to if you understand politics
00:14:11.160 well enough to vote for a president or if you have ever filed taxes you can learn the few most
00:14:16.600 important scientific rules for redesigning your body these rules will become your friends 100
00:14:22.360 percent reliable and trusted this changes everything there is no high priesthood there 0.93
00:14:27.860 is cause and effect welcome to the director's chair this annoys the shit out of me shut up 0.73
00:14:33.420 why are there so many metaphors going on it's like we're talking about like diet and exercise 0.82
00:14:39.200 you're not redesigning your body dude if you can vote for president has not aged well if you're if 0.97
00:14:46.060 your dumb ass has ever clicked next 20 times on turbo tax then you can do this part of what i 0.99
00:14:51.900 find interesting about this is that it's sort of like a prototype of what has become a real sort of 1.00
00:14:58.280 core ethos of the uh maha movement right which is just like fuck experts nobody gets to decide but 0.94
00:15:06.100 you what's good for you it's not your doctor it's not the newspaper but it is an airport book he's 0.96
00:15:12.520 like don't trust them but like you're also just some random person trust the guy who sells brain
00:15:17.380 quicken i feel like but he's saying trust yourself and yourself is reading tim ferris right i'm
00:15:25.600 telling you that you are smart and then in return you just do what i tell you right but it's sort of
00:15:32.240 listening to yourself in a way we're in this together rejecting the experts yeah that's right
00:15:36.820 and i think like specifically saying it's not up to your doctor is the part where i'm like that's a
00:15:43.560 wild approach to take, right? Who's your, who's your doctor to tell you what your blood pressure
00:15:48.140 is? So on top of his sort of N of one stuff, he says that he has quote, tracked the progress of
00:15:56.920 hundreds of readers of his blog and touts that quote, many of them lost 20 pounds in the first
00:16:03.340 few weeks and sort of makes those kinds of claims. Most of his claims about weight loss throughout
00:16:08.420 the book are about what happened in the first two to four weeks. So it's like, tell me you've
00:16:12.520 never read a diet book before without telling me you've never read a diet book before right like
00:16:16.180 every diet under the sun follows the same pattern which is like rapid weight loss for the first like
00:16:22.560 one to maybe six months three to six months and then a long plateau and then a weight regain like
00:16:30.380 that is how it goes so when folks are sort of cherry picking like we're just gonna talk about
00:16:35.540 the first month like yeah dude you're picking your best numbers absolutely i'm only gonna talk
00:16:40.020 about my sales at christmas time yeah you can go to almost any diet and lose weight in the first
00:16:44.780 month yes absolutely the interesting thing is he is presenting like a series of these kind of n of
00:16:51.800 one findings quote-unquote findings right it is very far from any kind of like randomized controlled
00:16:59.480 trial it's very far from any kind of scientific method there is massive confirmation bias if he's 0.93
00:17:06.220 hearing from fans of his blog who want to tell him why his shit works and why they like him 0.84
00:17:12.440 because you're obviously not going to be hearing from people that it didn't work for because they 0.90
00:17:15.120 would probably just like not be on the blog anymore they find something else absolutely
00:17:18.000 he has like a whole segment where he's like if you want to know how to lose 20 pounds in two
00:17:22.400 weeks just ask the founder of wordpress who lost a bunch of weight from just chewing every mouthful
00:17:28.440 of food 20 times where you're like okay come on man that's literally like an 1800s diet that's
00:17:35.400 one of the first diets that's what happens when you make wordpress money you're like what's next
00:17:39.960 now to turn my thoughts inward i will triple the amount of bites that i'm taking of every sandwich
00:17:46.200 the four hour body has a couple of good points i do want to do like a little bit of credit where
00:17:50.620 credit is due so he cautions readers against falling for like marketing terms so he's like
00:17:58.280 if someone's telling you about toning cellulite firming shaping like these are all marketing words
00:18:05.060 He just said redesigning your body, though. 0.98
00:18:07.280 That's also a fucking marketing term. 0.98
00:18:09.140 That's not reshaping. 0.99
00:18:10.320 That's not reshaping.
00:18:12.680 4HB is different than a marketing term.
00:18:14.900 It's a protocol is what he keeps saying.
00:18:17.240 It's a protocol.
00:18:18.860 Protocol itself, not a marketing term.
00:18:21.680 Don't get confused.
00:18:24.080 He also cautions readers.
00:18:26.360 He's like, look, you're going to be doing a bunch of self-experimentation.
00:18:30.120 That means that you're going to have to challenge your own ideas about correlation and causation.
00:18:34.820 right and he gives them some like actually quite good questions to challenge like is this causal
00:18:40.920 relationship moving the way you think it is one is like is it possible that what he calls the arrow
00:18:47.040 of causality is reversed so like is it possible not that this person ran and therefore got a
00:18:53.820 quote-unquote runner's build but rather that they kind of looked like someone who could do well at
00:18:58.600 running so they did i'm eating brussels sprouts because i'm farting actually if you think about
00:19:05.820 it he asks if uh you're mixing up absence and presence so for example like is a vegetarian
00:19:14.380 diet healthier or perceived to be healthier because of the lack of meat or because of the
00:19:19.560 increased presence of vegetables okay right like it's just like basic good probing kinds of
00:19:25.100 questions at one point he does say quote is it possible that you tested a specific demographic
00:19:31.180 that other variables are responsible for the difference for example if the claim is that yoga
00:19:36.680 improves cardiac health and the experimental group comprises upper class folk is it possible
00:19:41.900 that they are therefore more likely than a control group to eat better food you bet your downward dog 0.95
00:19:48.860 opposing ass oh god a little spice in the sentence nice so this is like straightforwardly 0.87
00:19:55.700 good advice that he then proceeds to ignore for the rest of the day like you're reading a book by 0.99
00:20:00.820 a rich guy who got blood tests a thousand times right he's like don't confuse what's happening
00:20:07.460 with rich people with what's happening with you confuse what's happening with me with a single
00:20:13.500 rich guy the diet itself is pretty straightforward there are five core rules one is avoid quote
00:20:21.740 unquote white carbohydrates so that's like bread pasta rice potatoes that kind of stuff
00:20:26.900 two is quote eat the same few meals over and over again especially for breakfast and lunch
00:20:34.160 you already do this you're just picking out new default meals this is where he gets into like you
00:20:39.960 should not enjoy it and also he does talk about he's like here are some good meals to have on the
00:20:46.120 diet one of my favorites is canned tuna packed in water mixed with lentils and chopped onion
00:20:53.760 what just like in a bowl yep dude no mayo no lemon juice nothing you gotta get that mercury up
00:21:00.780 you want you want you want to be able to see it through your skin like a thermometer
00:21:07.420 rule number three is don't drink calories that's a pretty common one rule number four is don't eat
00:21:14.240 fruit what it's part of the like slow carb thing right of just like it there's not a ton of fiber
00:21:20.040 there is a lot of sugar that's that's not true but whatever whatever rule number five is take
00:21:26.960 one day off per week and quote go nuts i recommend saturday often nicknamed fatter day by followers
00:21:34.160 But this is also like he's just telling you to like do something you hate all the time and then one day a week you get to do something you like.
00:21:40.880 Like surely you can find a happy medium, right?
00:21:43.480 Yeah.
00:21:43.860 Throw a little bit of mustard in the tuna and maybe take it easy on Saturdays. 1.00
00:21:47.980 It's also funny because like none of these guys have kind of been steeped in like fad diet world the way I think a lot of women have. 0.98
00:21:54.360 They're like a lot of women by their 30s are like, oh, I've heard this advice a million fucking times. 0.98
00:21:57.640 It's not going to work for me. 0.95
00:21:58.680 But these guys are like basically discovering like fad diet stuff.
00:22:01.680 It's like look maxing stuff for men where like we we've gone a little too far and like 19 year olds are like wearing shoulder pads and micro dosing meth.
00:22:13.120 Yeah, I will say on the cheat day stuff.
00:22:15.600 He comes up with sort of a scientific rationale for the cheat day where he's like, no, it's actually like good and important, like psychologically important.
00:22:24.840 No, like physically metabolically important.
00:22:28.800 okay quote paradoxically dramatically spiking caloric intake in this way once per week
00:22:34.700 increases fat loss by ensuring that your metabolic rate doesn't downshift from extended caloric
00:22:41.100 restriction not true that's not true i know he's like oh don't trust your your doctor the science
00:22:47.100 but like you should trust the science bro that's not true at all you want to get your body right
00:22:51.420 on the verge of starvation mode and then boom an entire pizza yeah remember like the p90x muscle
00:22:57.780 confusion thing you're doing that but for your metabolism you can't let it get too comfortable
00:23:02.680 the formula for meals uh for this is pretty straightforward very standard diet advice
00:23:10.340 he says for every meal you should pick one item from each of his sort of prioritized food groups
00:23:16.380 that's lean protein vegetables that are either low carb and or high fiber and the third group
00:23:24.300 is legumes is a bean diet baby beans at every meal so you're gonna fully endorse this book now
00:23:32.240 i love it i'm blurbing it it's gonna be great the only diet that works
00:23:38.320 he's honing in here on this idea of whole grains and quote-unquote slow carbs that was popular at
00:23:44.420 the time the underlying idea here is that so-called fast carbs so things with like white
00:23:52.020 flour white sugar whatever else are big drivers of people getting fat and that so-called quote
00:23:57.400 unquote slow carbs like whole grains and fiber rich vegetables would be less likely to lead to
00:24:03.460 weight gain and would like help with weight management this is based on the glycemic index
00:24:08.180 which we've talked about before on the show the glycemic index is a way of it's sort of presented
00:24:15.200 as a way of measuring the impact of various foods on like humans blood sugar but the way that they
00:24:21.880 determined it is in groups of between five and 15 people since then in the in the years since
00:24:29.860 the development of the glycemic index um we have found that it is like almost useless for individual
00:24:35.860 guidance because different people's bodies have like such wildly different responses to the same
00:24:41.860 foods going in them right that for some folks white rice might be like a major issue for their 0.69
00:24:47.460 blood sugar. And for other folks, it like doesn't really do much, right? But what if a rich guy who
00:24:52.220 wrote an airport book already did all the research and told me what works for him? What if a wealthy
00:24:56.780 man said it with confidence? What if a guy wearing an aura ring told me that I should eat sweet
00:25:01.340 potatoes? A 2021 meta analysis in the journal Advances in Nutrition looked at 43 studies with
00:25:09.580 samples totaling just under 2 million adults. And they were looking at like, when we're advising
00:25:15.180 people to have a low glycemic index diet. What are the actual results of that? What they found
00:25:22.540 was, quote, results of 30 meta analyses of RCTs from eight publications demonstrated that low GI
00:25:28.760 diets were generally no better than high GI diets for reducing body weight or body fat.
00:25:35.480 While carbohydrate quality, including glycemic index, impacts many health outcomes, GI as a
00:25:42.520 measure of carbohydrate quality appears to be relatively unimportant as a determinant of bmi
00:25:48.040 or diet induced weight loss that makes right so like have your slow carbs they're good for you
00:25:53.620 for a lot of reasons they're not going to make you thin also this is just like yet another diet
00:25:57.940 basically being like you should eat brown rice and broccoli and chicken breast but those diets
00:26:01.880 are marketed to ladies not yeah nerds who want to be wealthy yeah well i wonder what he kind of
00:26:07.280 would have come up with if it wasn't for his research with the ultrasound machines i spent
00:26:13.720 250 000 and here's what i've come up with it's like brown rice eat some beans i'm also now just
00:26:20.260 imagining tim ferris with like a pulse oximeter clipped to every finger yeah just eating tuna
00:26:25.880 out of a bowl like a dog just with his face so his main chapter or sort of section about weight
00:26:32.920 loss is called subtracting fat he has subtracting fat he has adding muscle and he has improving sex
00:26:39.720 don't listen to gimmicky little taglines folks people are going to tell you that you can quote
00:26:44.960 lose weight you can't you can subtract fat however also like don't listen to marketing
00:26:50.240 language but the first header in the first chapter about weight loss is quote how to lose 20 pounds
00:26:57.180 in 30 days without exercise hey no one's ever said this before no one's ever promised that 0.62
00:27:02.680 This is how, like, tech guys talk, where they try to, like, throw in what feels a little more like computer language into, like, everyday shit, right? 0.86
00:27:11.140 So they talk about optimizing all the time, and it's just, it's so tedious and annoying. 0.98
00:27:18.040 Here's how to pivot to being a skinny person.
00:27:20.780 The other thing, did you guys see this article that they're now recommending?
00:27:25.220 You know this whole thing of, like, a stack?
00:27:26.580 You have a stack of, like, the caffeine that you do? 0.88
00:27:28.260 Oh, we're going to talk so fucking much about stacks. 0.93
00:27:30.840 tech bros are recommending that you add nicotine patches yeah to your stack oh hell yeah dude no 0.90
00:27:36.560 they're talking about nicotine and caffeine both as being nootropics which is a wild way to read
00:27:41.840 those things because that's also a made-up term so like yeah they're nootropics like lucky charms
00:27:45.600 nootropics why not like whatever it does feel like we're gonna circle back to just like you
00:27:50.020 can smoke and they're gonna rebrand it as like drag maxing right like burn smashing and then 0.68
00:27:55.380 you're all gonna be fucking smoking again you know like the the famous madman ad campaign where 0.97
00:28:00.400 they're like uh they're toasted all right they're gonna start doing that shit yeah um so he does 0.99
00:28:06.780 use this header of like how to lose 20 pounds in 30 days without exercise and then his example 0.98
00:28:12.180 for himself is that he lost 15 pounds in six weeks oh nice okay so do more than i did he also
00:28:20.080 has some before and after pictures that are fascinating they are almost a complete
00:28:24.900 recreation of like a very popular style of like 2010s body positivity instagram post hell yeah
00:28:33.960 where like a thin woman would take a picture of herself slouching so that she would like have 0.97
00:28:40.080 some rolls and then would take another picture of herself standing up straight and the caption 0.90
00:28:45.400 would be like it's the same body he like has like a quote-unquote before picture that is him
00:28:51.480 leaning forward and weighing, I don't know, maybe 10 or 15 pounds more. And then the next picture
00:28:56.380 is him shirtless and ripped and standing off to the side. It's like the, the Alex Jones picture,
00:29:02.060 uh, where, where he's just slightly more red in the after photo.
00:29:09.620 The initial diet that we talked through sounds pretty straightforward, like focus on protein
00:29:15.040 and fiber, eat from certain food groups, get some exercise, that kind of thing. But then he gets to
00:29:21.060 a section where he talks about like common mistakes okay and now it's getting real complicated
00:29:26.360 mistake number one not eating within one hour of waking preferably within 30 minutes it's all
00:29:33.240 metabolism confusion at the end of the day his argument is that you should he's like i eat one
00:29:37.880 tablespoon of almond butter and four brazil nuts upon waking oh yeah i keep it next to my bed just
00:29:44.320 right before my first cigarette of the day absolutely he says that uh mistake number two
00:29:49.880 is not getting enough protein per meal mistake number three is not drinking enough water but he
00:29:54.720 doesn't really define enough mistake number four he says is believing that you'll cook especially 0.80
00:30:00.020 if you're a bachelor what the fuck is that what's wrong what what throughout this book he is assuming
00:30:04.480 that the reader is him and he's like i don't cook so they don't cook yeah i feel like learn to cook 0.99
00:30:08.760 would also be like reasonable advice for a book like this he has a whole mistake just about um
00:30:15.220 mistiming weighings with your menstrual cycle. And then in parentheses, he writes,
00:30:20.040 not a problem for bachelors. He talks about how cheat day is like a really important part of the
00:30:32.320 diet, not just for adherence to the diet, but for its actual effectiveness. He says that the big
00:30:41.700 issue that cheat day helps with is uh to minimize your release of insulin which triggers your body
00:30:49.820 to store fat metabolism spoofing that's what it's doing yes so he has a whole thing where he's like
00:30:55.780 uh you have to increase the speed of gastric emptying or how quickly food exits the stomach
00:31:04.500 oh he's doing like a poop speed run like you want to get from food to poop in like 35 minutes your
00:31:09.480 Your body should not be absorbing the nutrients from the food.
00:31:11.740 It should be blasting through you at full speed.
00:31:14.660 Actual food should be coming out of you at the end. 1.00
00:31:16.920 Just a full slice of pizza coming out your ass. 1.00
00:31:19.760 But can people even do anything about that? 1.00
00:31:22.140 Could you manipulate how fast you're pooping and like processing food?
00:31:25.460 There are ways that you can line your pipes to like in your house.
00:31:29.340 I imagine if you implement the same method so that you can sort of create a slide where
00:31:34.220 the food cannot actually enter your stomach in any meaningful way.
00:31:37.240 You're just drinking a bottle of lube and just like eating something to slide through,
00:31:43.060 like a slip and slide.
00:31:44.300 Almond butter and Astro Glide.
00:31:46.760 We're going to read what Tim says you can do.
00:31:49.660 I consume 100 to 200 milligrams of caffeine or 16 ounces of cooled yerba mate at the most 0.95
00:31:56.000 crap-laden meals.
00:31:57.580 My favorite green supplement, Athletic Greens, mentioned in the schedule, doesn't contain 0.99
00:32:01.480 caffeine, but will also help.
00:32:03.340 Does this really work?
00:32:04.260 Taking the goodies from taste buds to toilet without much storage in between?
00:32:09.340 More than a few people have told me it's pure science fiction.
00:32:12.200 Too much information warning.
00:32:13.500 I disagree, and for good reason.
00:32:15.720 Rather than debate meta-studies, I simply weighed my poo.
00:32:19.640 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
00:32:24.160 Hell yeah. 1.00
00:32:25.000 Fuck a meta-study, dude. 1.00
00:32:26.880 Shit on a scale. 1.00
00:32:29.540 Identical volumes of food on and off the protocol. 0.99
00:32:32.400 On protocol equals much more poomass, equals less absorption, equals fewer chocolate croissants that take up residence on my apps.
00:32:41.420 Simple but effective? Perhaps.
00:32:43.760 Good to leave out of a first date conversation? Definitely.
00:32:47.060 He's doing the work, you know. 0.91
00:32:48.620 This is what, before we had meta-analyses, right, before we had the studies to analyze, guys were just shitting on scales, right?
00:32:56.280 This is what Isaac Newton would have done.
00:32:57.740 I love that he's like, I'm not going to get into these meta-studies. 0.99
00:33:01.120 instead i weighed my shit what are you a fucking nerd i'm like squatting over a bathroom scale 0.98
00:33:07.820 it's so absurd and it really feels like like he presents this in a way that is very much like 1.00
00:33:15.520 guys i cracked the code yeah yeah yeah in the meantime you are i guess fishing poop out of
00:33:21.920 your toilet yeah and weighing it like what are we doing here was there is there any basis to this at
00:33:26.260 all michael i like i like how you're at you're like so aubrey did you look into this or yeah 0.98
00:33:31.280 this guy this guy is shitting on a scale michael all right no i fact checked a lot of things for 0.73
00:33:38.300 this episode i did not fact check the poop weighing also it's like good to leave out of 0.98
00:33:43.000 a first date conversation dude good to leave out of your book no one wants to hear about this
00:33:47.680 i would rather i would rather you like fraudulently create a peer-reviewed study than tell me about
00:33:53.340 this he says that there's a third principle which is engaging in brief muscular contractions
00:34:00.600 throughout your binge kegels like butt kegels like intestinal kegels no he's doing like wall
00:34:08.040 squats like he does like a wall sit he does uh he says wall tricep extensions and 60 to 120 seconds
00:34:17.240 of total air squats immediately prior to eating main courses on his binge day oh my god dude so 0.71
00:34:25.240 he's like going to fucking pizza hut just like squatting down next to the booth yeah and then 0.97
00:34:34.500 like getting up to do fucking calisthenics for two minutes before he like eats a whole pizza 0.98
00:34:40.200 like it's it's extremely odd so not only is like the food miserable to eat six days a week because 0.97
00:34:47.340 he refuses to allow for seasoning or whatever but you have to do wall squats yeah in public
00:34:53.400 on your binge day because you might enjoy it right yeah don't get caught enjoying your food
00:34:59.400 i'm at the buffalo wild wings dude holding holding a wall squat for three minutes um
00:35:04.340 so he has a whole argument here about how doing these sort of brief exercises and muscle
00:35:12.100 contractions brings glucose transporters to the surface of muscle cells opening more gates for 0.97
00:35:20.220 the calories to flow into where is he getting this shit he's just making he's using big words 0.98
00:35:25.360 to make it sound real but like what is he talking about michael he's not making it up it's based on 0.97
00:35:29.620 one japanese rat study oh great okay cool just because someone reads his blog does not make them
00:35:35.960 a japanese rat so earlier mike you mentioned stacks oh yeah tim ferris experiments on himself
00:35:43.560 on which ones he thinks are most effective for weight loss he talks about one of his most 0.97
00:35:49.600 effective stacks being the quote-unquote classic eca stack and i was like what the fuck is an eca
00:35:57.080 stack ephedrine caffeine and aspirin yeah oh what he talks about having done this eca stack ephedrine
00:36:05.320 caffeine and aspirin ephedrine now banned yeah because so many people died from using it and
00:36:11.200 also because you can use it to make meth my stack of uh chlorine and bleach so his current preferred
00:36:18.140 stack is now the p a g g stack it consists of pcp garlic extract bath salt green
00:36:26.900 and an antioxidant that naturally exists in meat and some vegetables like i googled it
00:36:35.020 it's alpha lipoic acid and i was like what the fuck is this and they're like it's in broccoli 0.76
00:36:39.800 and steak and i was like oh well have some broccoli and a steak yes sounds less cool when 0.98
00:36:44.360 you're like i eat some broccoli and drink too these guys are constantly bragging about how
00:36:47.820 easy they are to dupe right because they're like oh this supplement changes everything but like 0.96
00:36:51.580 they're just falling for like marketing claims ultimately take a fucking one a day like yeah 0.65
00:36:55.600 part of what makes it complicated is the supplements themselves part of it is the 0.94
00:37:03.260 schedule i am sending the schedule this one has a bunch of sciencey names uh so apologies in
00:37:11.920 advance to whoever yeah peter all right i'll do it how did i do it i followed a simple supplement
00:37:17.680 regimen. Morning. No explode 11. Two scoops. That's like an anti-diarrhea medication. Yeah.
00:37:24.380 No explode. No explode. If you mix that with the diarrheals that he takes. And just let him 0.86
00:37:29.960 fight it out inside of you. That's intestinal confusion. May the best man win. All right.
00:37:36.200 No explode 11. Two scoops. Slow niacin or timed release niacinamide. 500 milligrams. Each meal
00:37:45.260 chromate pre-workout body quick post-workout mycelian prior to bed polycosinol polycosinol
00:37:55.140 sure chromate again alpha lipoic acid and slow niacin this is like a lot of steps to take each
00:38:03.920 day and he's using these names like no explode and slow niacin and chromate and that kind of stuff
00:38:12.160 most of these are pretty common things no explode 11 is just a pre-workout
00:38:18.880 pre-workout fresh out of bed that's right yeah my workout is the entire day so i take a pre-workout
00:38:28.400 right when i wake up like it's just caffeine and creatine this man is caffeinated to the
00:38:34.180 max yeah by the way slow niacin is niacinamide it's just a b vitamin timed release
00:38:40.900 yeah vitamin right okay all of this is just like you could all get all of these as like nature made
00:38:48.700 supplements at target or whatever right like these are not like hard things to find but when he lists
00:38:56.320 the like ah yes i'm using 23 milligrams of polycosinol yeah it gives the whole thing sort
00:39:03.700 of a mystique of being much more like stem oriented than yeah yeah right he's giving his readers this
00:39:10.440 veneer of science for things that are totally just like take your vitamins also i'm trying to like
00:39:17.100 count up how many pills he's taking it's a lot right because if he's doing this in the morning
00:39:22.180 at each meal before workout after workout and prior to bed you're just like pumping your body
00:39:28.440 with like these weird powders when like you don't need even like the pre-workout post-workout stuff 0.96
00:39:33.400 is like fake you don't need this shit like have a banana he also is careful to note that you only 0.93
00:39:40.060 follow the schedule six days a week and you take one day off each week from your stacks wait what 1.00
00:39:45.520 and then you also take one week off every two months and quote this week off is critical yes 0.98
00:39:52.480 yeah you gotta keep your metabolism guessing don't let your metabolism fucking rest on its laurels 0.51
00:39:57.720 yeah you want to be constantly switching between constipation and diarrhea at uh at a rate that 0.93
00:40:03.080 baffles the intestines unsurprisingly he's also a cold plunge guy oh yeah unsurprisingly he's also
00:40:10.100 like generally a health gadget guy so he advocates using a glucometer which is a monitor that you
00:40:18.420 install on your body to continually monitor your blood sugar levels does he have the poop camera
00:40:24.980 not to my knowledge but this book was written before the existence of poop cam peter this is
00:40:31.120 an actual thing that exists you can get something that attaches to the side of your toilet the
00:40:34.340 kohler decoder that films your toilet bowl and like there's an app that gives you like quote
00:40:40.340 unquote insights but the insights are like how many times did you poop yesterday like
00:40:45.060 well hydrated or not well hydrated no i like that why should i have to look you know i just i want 0.82
00:40:55.360 an app to just uh every time i take a shit i don't look i uh immediately i just stand right up and 0.89
00:41:01.040 then it it sends me a notification that says gross he uses a continuous glucose monitor 0.91
00:41:06.580 a thing that is straightforwardly unnecessary for people who are not diabetic
00:41:11.900 i looked up the glucose monitor that he recommends it's the dexcom 7 it lasts for two weeks on your
00:41:19.380 body and it costs $120 per monitor. It's more just him being a rube. It's like, this is not
00:41:25.420 meaningful data that you really need. Yeah. He has this belief that if you keep your blood sugar
00:41:30.180 under a hundred, that you will sustain fat loss for longer. He also writes, quote, don't want to
00:41:36.900 become diabetic. Want to curb things like eating sweets, which can lead to adult onset diabetes.
00:41:43.900 Try using a glucometer for 24 hours. Oh, he like recommends this? Yes. Oh my God.
00:41:49.380 Essentially, the argument that he's making is like, do you not want to become diabetic? Start living like you have diabetes. Watch everything you eat, exercise in really specific ways, wear a glucometer, and you know, maybe take some diabetes meds, right? As a bunch of biohackers suggest taking like metformin and stuff like that, right?
00:42:10.120 Like, so it is this really odd thing where I'm like, I just try mapping that on to other illnesses.
00:42:16.880 Like, it would be really weird if someone was like, I don't want to get cancer, so I'm going to do preemptive chemo.
00:42:23.400 Or like, if you want to avoid chlamydia, just wear a condom at all times, no matter what you're doing. 0.94
00:42:28.960 Wake up, almond butter, Z-Pak. 1.00
00:42:31.080 Before we dig in on the last chapter that we're really going to focus in on, we have a little interval that I have just titled in my notes, Tim Ferriss is weird about women. 1.00
00:42:39.700 there's one section that he calls the math of beauty oh no are we are we doing like symmetry
00:42:46.940 symmetry stuff we're not leaning away from phrenology i won't say that uh michael you are
00:42:54.020 up what do marilyn monroe sophia loren and l mcpherson have in common the number 0.7 and the
00:43:00.760 letters whr if you measured the waist and hip circumference of these three women you'd find 1.00
00:43:06.220 that their waists are 7 tenths the size of their hips. That makes their waist-to-hip ratio, WHR, 0.97
00:43:12.200 0.7. And this ratio in females appears to be hardwired into the male brain as a sign of 0.95
00:43:17.940 fertility and therefore attractiveness. The wider your waist is, the higher this ratio goes toward 0.99
00:43:23.640 the apple-shaped 1.0, which correlates, in scientific studies, with decreased estrogen
00:43:28.840 levels, increased disease risk, increased birth complications, and lower fertility rates.
00:43:33.500 working toward a more slender waist has been shown to have a greater effect on attractiveness
00:43:37.740 than reducing hip size if your waist to hip ratio is high dropping it even a little bit
00:43:43.320 will increase your power health and hotness to attract a male partner nice wait peter go ahead
00:43:48.880 i know you think about this all the time this is how you talk to your boys when you're like
00:43:52.440 you're not a mean aubrey look i don't get bogged down by the numbers i know it when i see it
00:43:56.680 no like if you think about this often enough you won't need to do the measurements you'll be able
00:44:03.480 to just shout them out as a woman passes the advisor seems to be you should work toward a
00:44:09.440 more slender waist rather than working toward smaller hips but like women like people cannot 0.97
00:44:15.720 do this you can't really control the build of your body and also he's doing this bizarre sort 0.88
00:44:20.680 of scientific laundering of like ah yes this is hardwired into the male brain right he's sort of
00:44:27.640 reverse engineering like this is what i am attracted to and this is like a contemporary 1.00
00:44:32.580 beauty standard ergo right it's like a biological imperative the women that i'm attracted to are 1.00
00:44:38.820 like super healthy and like super fertile it's big no fatties energy for sure it's like the need
00:44:45.400 to sort of make these things quantifiable is so fucking bizarre yeah why can't you just be like
00:44:50.000 they're hot it's so fucking weird what do marilyn monroe so sophia loren and ella mcpherson have in 0.94
00:44:55.400 common they're fucking hot dude all right just hot babes and there's also no point that involves 0.96
00:45:01.920 like asking women what they like because i want to know what ratio they like in men what's the 0.99
00:45:06.720 healthiest uh like dick to chin ratio yeah exactly okay so the ratio is shoulder to waist how dare
00:45:13.780 you oh wait is it actually in there he does include that wait what is it uh i think it's 0.94
00:45:17.980 0.8 waist-to-shoulder ratio, so your waist should be...
00:45:23.380 Yeah, I saw that on, like, masculinemen.tumblr.com. 0.99
00:45:26.420 Yeah, you made the same fucking joke. 0.84
00:45:28.120 I recently heard of a podcaster who was included on Tumblr that has exactly that ratio. 0.98
00:45:31.920 It's interesting to me.
00:45:32.840 Notably, those ratios both come from studies of men.
00:45:36.520 They're asking men what they think is the right ratio for men to have.
00:45:40.120 They're not asking women. 0.89
00:45:41.540 Yeah, because if you ask men, they'll talk about how big his shoulder should be.
00:45:44.540 But if you ask women, they'll talk about how big his heart should be. 0.99
00:45:47.660 what's the dick to heart ratio 0.97
00:45:50.160 so that was sort of the beginnings of him getting weird about women he does have a whole chapter 1.00
00:45:59.260 called improving sex i'm gonna let peter take it from here peter and that is where shit gets 0.98
00:46:05.560 the weirdest if you are listening to this podcast as some people do with your kids and you would 0.99
00:46:11.200 rather not have like a more uh explicit discussion of sex and genitals you're an hour into the 0.99
00:46:17.520 podcast episode about shit and you know what no this isn't okay you're about to hear about 1.00
00:46:23.600 intercourse the chapter title is the 15 minute female orgasm oh it's how long it lasts how long 0.99
00:46:31.200 it takes what happened to four he gets very sort of granular uh in his advice here and as a certified 0.99
00:46:39.500 gay lady his advice in this chapter is fucking nutso okay at one point he just tosses out that 0.92
00:46:46.360 he's like i talked to a number of experts about this yeah it's my buddy jimmy 0.99
00:46:50.460 to his credit the quote-unquote experts that he cites are all women okay so at one point he just
00:47:01.000 tosses out that he had this conversation with a quote-unquote specialist in female ejaculation
00:47:07.200 yeah you gotta weigh it you gotta weigh it he doesn't say anything about like what does that
00:47:12.780 mean right um he just says ah yes my friend Tallulah a specialist in female ejaculation
00:47:19.320 okay what Tallulah tells him is that for most women there is a most sensitive part of the 0.99
00:47:26.800 clitoris and she's like if you're imagining a clock face and you are facing a woman's vagina 0.98
00:47:33.380 and her clitoris it would be at about one o'clock what it's off center Aubrey I'm a gay man and 0.99
00:47:38.460 Peter's never given a woman an orgasm so you're gonna have to slow you're gonna explain this very 0.98
00:47:41.840 slowly i just do the alphabet like a gentleman i like called a bunch of other gay lady friends 1.00
00:47:48.720 being like hey am i fucking high or is this right nothing one o'clock in a vagina is crazy 0.99
00:47:54.220 it's like it's like just off the clitoris it's like 0.99
00:47:58.260 he's next to it it's just just so you're just like slightly missing the clitor 0.78
00:48:04.580 you know it works if you use the one o'clock trick it will take a full 15 minutes in addition 0.67
00:48:11.520 to his his sort of fat loss stacks that he takes he also has a pre-sex protocol what vitamins he's
00:48:23.300 like stop honey i mean he's like scooping powder into a cup frantically as she's like naked in the 0.55
00:48:28.500 bedroom slapping on my nicotine patch 24 to 48 hours before you want to have incredible sex 0.97
00:48:34.880 48 hours when you get the gmail calendar invite for sex you should quote eat at least 800 milligrams 0.92
00:48:43.460 of cholesterol within three hours of bedtime the night before you want to have incredible sex oh
00:48:50.880 my god it's bottoming advice why before bed testosterone is derived from cholesterol which 0.68
00:48:56.440 is primarily produced at night during sleep what ladies if a if a guy ever goes nuts at the one 0.98
00:49:02.880 o'clock on your vagina the night before he was he was loading up on cholesterol right in his 0.98
00:49:09.260 defense he's had seven eggs in the last 15 minutes he's like scarfing hard-boiled just eating just 0.99
00:49:17.660 eating half a pound of shrimp i mean like one o'clock one o'clock one o'clock so that's 24
00:49:23.480 hours before he also has a protocol for four hours prior to sex sex should not be a spontaneous thing
00:49:30.300 sex is all about protocols this part of it does feel very brian johnson in that i'm like oh you're 0.98
00:49:36.200 not comfortable with like human relationships and like feeling shit out with people so like you got 0.87
00:49:41.760 to come up with a whole song and dance to like make it okay and to sort of like assuage your 0.69
00:49:46.780 nervousness about like having sex with someone what if you're gonna hook up the next day and
00:49:50.980 then she like calls you or she like texts you she's like i'm so horny let's just do it tonight 0.96
00:49:55.260 and you're you're like five eggs deep uh um well if you have four hours of notice
00:50:01.420 then you eat four brazil nuts 20 raw almonds and two capsules of fermented cod liver oil and
00:50:12.120 butter this is like an avoidance strategy when you're like so afraid of women you're like i can't
00:50:16.600 i haven't had my brazil nuts he really seems like a dude who is uncomfortable with women
00:50:21.240 telling a bunch of stories with a bunch of bravado yeah tim uses this sort of quote unquote 0.97
00:50:27.060 information to set himself on a quest to quote facilitate female orgasms with as many partners
00:50:35.320 as he could again why is this in your like diet and exercise book because he wants to tell the
00:50:41.520 boys how good he is with the ladies because he had 120 pages and they were like we need 60 more
00:50:47.040 he talks about like he tells little stories about several of the women that he includes
00:50:53.060 in this quest the first one he describes as quote a 25 year old female yoga instructor 0.86
00:50:59.740 fresh from the midwest where you're just like fresh
00:51:02.580 and in his telling of the story she unprompted volunteers to him that she has never had an 0.83
00:51:10.660 orgasm and he's like well i'm the guy all right i just had my brazil nuts we got 15 minutes before
00:51:16.820 they wear off give me a dozen eggs in 24 hours honey he writes quote my quest for the elusive
00:51:26.020 female oh had begun the outcome four weeks later was better than i ever could have imagined the
00:51:32.280 four-week orgasm i was able to facilitate orgasms the word facilitate will be explained later in 0.97
00:51:38.340 every woman who acted as a test subject oh god what the fuck is going on the results those who'd 0.96
00:51:44.980 never experienced manual only orgasm were able to do so. And those who'd never experienced 0.99
00:51:51.320 penetration only orgasm were also able to do so. The success rate was 100%.
00:51:58.180 Dude, whenever I write a self help book, like any nonfiction book, I'm including a chapter about
00:52:02.420 how good at sex I am. That woman then introduces him to an organization. You two may or may not 0.57
00:52:09.280 have heard of it called One Taste. Have either of you heard of One Taste? No.
00:52:13.100 it's a bay area organization that has been accused of being a cult it has paid a lot of
00:52:19.800 former employee settlements for labor law violations sexual abuse they have a netflix 0.90
00:52:27.800 documentary about how fucking dark one taste is and that is where he goes to learn this quote 1.00
00:52:36.360 unquote 15 minute orgasm business right that's that's kind of the kind of shit that a cult leader 1.00
00:52:41.660 would tell you there's a secret clit it's just to the right of the regular one what is this 1.00
00:52:48.560 organization though like officially they essentially are having people come in to get 0.95
00:52:53.720 coached on their sex technique so they come in with a partner there is a coach who watches you
00:53:00.720 sometimes a group of people who watches you and then you get like notes and direction it's like
00:53:05.920 a sex kumon learning center they do have this sort of framework that they use where they talk about
00:53:12.000 quote-unquote orgasmic meditation they sort of have this sort of construction built in that is
00:53:18.040 like whether you have an orgasm or not is immaterial because you are participating in
00:53:24.320 orgasmic meditation yeah i've been telling women that for years yeah we are yeah we're like sort
00:53:30.440 spiritually participating in a cosmic orgasm so whether or not you are coming in the real world
00:53:37.680 is irrelevant and i am coming just so we're all clear but for you it's more like a spiritual thing
00:53:43.780 he also consults another expert named nina hartley are either of you familiar with nina
00:53:52.440 hartley is it porn yep so nina hartley is sort of in the like ron jeremy jenna jameson
00:53:58.780 vein of like a porn actor who sort of crossed over into more pop culture notoriety right okay
00:54:06.180 in the book tim ferris writes that other porn actors have said that nina hartley was quote
00:54:12.440 the best sex of their life and he says so does my friend sylvester oh would that be stallone 0.81
00:54:19.080 no he just says he has a friend named sylvester oh what okay who had sex with nina hartley cool 0.99
00:54:27.720 yo you know nina hartley my friend hooked up with this is the most for the fucking boys anecdote 0.99
00:54:37.780 that we will read in this entire all right peter's doing it peter's doing it all right 0.93
00:54:41.880 sylvester's mom attended a group dinner in berkeley california that nina also happened
00:54:46.460 to be attending and the two ended up seated next to each other mrs norwood came home and said to
00:54:51.860 then 22 year old sylvester guess who i was at dinner with a famous porn star nina hartley
00:54:57.540 have you ever heard of her sylvester nearly choked in his secret double life he had a huge
00:55:04.020 collection of videos featuring nina his personal snow leopard what i don't know mom i have to meet
00:55:10.920 her if i never do anything again in this life i must meet nina hartley three days of insistent
00:55:17.300 begging and nagging later sylvester's mom raised a hand and picked up the phone hi nina it's mrs
00:55:23.500 norwood i had such a not one i had such a wonderful time meeting you at the party listen
00:55:29.940 i have a question for you do you ever make love to younger men what yep nina's answer why yes i love
00:55:39.460 breaking in younger men but only once and so it happened summary coolest mom ever dude there's
00:55:48.580 like progressive parents and then there's like when progressive parents go too far this is like
00:55:52.700 too much sex positivity in the family no thankfully this is fake but the best case scenario here is 0.99
00:55:59.680 that sylvester made this up to impress his friend tim imagine you make up this crazy bullshit story 1.00
00:56:05.140 about uh fucking a porn star and then uh like your friend puts it in a best-selling book yeah 1.00
00:56:11.900 i didn't realize the stakes were so high when i was lying to you about having sex with nina 0.99
00:56:15.160 hartley do you guys remember there was an ad for like it was like coors or something in the 90s it
00:56:20.060 was like i like beer with my friends watching football with my friends and twins yeah do you
00:56:27.560 that coolest mom ever feels like it comes straight out of the and twins era of like just like we're 0.76
00:56:40.340 just being so fucking horny in public all the time this is like very presumptuous like the 0.99
00:56:46.260 it's nuts but to be like hey you're you're kind of professionally uh you have professional sex 1.00
00:56:52.740 will you yeah doesn't this make you kind of a slut will you just fuck my son like you have 1.00
00:56:57.280 like no standards so do you want to fuck my son she's not even like yeah like is he cute is he 1.00
00:57:03.160 nice when uh when i was in high school all my friends were straight dudes and so as people 0.99
00:57:09.080 turned 18 on their 18th birthday we would all go to the like the local strip club which was like
00:57:13.760 right next to my high school and so i went to like strip clubs a decent amount like my final
00:57:18.680 year of high school because i turned 18 first and one of the things you saw fairly regularly at
00:57:23.160 strip clubs was like a dad and a son would like go there together and i remember very vividly
00:57:29.960 two like a man and a son getting like lap dances next to each other and then the dad just goes up
00:57:37.020 for a high five and like high fives his son what on earth and i think all of us were like oh what
00:57:43.700 are we doing upsetting stuff also this is not like it's not a cool story no it's really not
00:57:50.020 If my friend told me this story about themselves, I'd be weirded out, right?
00:57:55.480 But the fact that he's telling it to us about his friend thinking that it's cool, it's almost,
00:58:01.020 it's so weird.
00:58:02.600 Like, nothing about it is cool.
00:58:04.540 The mom doesn't seem cool.
00:58:05.860 No.
00:58:06.040 And now you're telling me this story as if it's cool.
00:58:08.240 It's weird.
00:58:08.760 The whole thing's bizarre.
00:58:09.580 This all exists in this how-to section on the 15-minute orgasm.
00:58:16.020 He does have some steps to follow.
00:58:19.340 step one, quote, explain to your partner that it is a goalless practice. This is 100% critical.
00:58:27.480 There is no objective. Just focus on a single point of contact. The phrasing should emphasize
00:58:32.800 this and remove all expectations and pressure. Quote, I'm going to touch you for 15 minutes.
00:58:39.200 You don't need to do anything and you don't need, you don't have to do anything afterward.
00:58:43.600 There's nowhere to get to nothing to make happen. Just focus on the single point of contact. It's
00:58:48.800 an exercise this is you just like poking the one o'clock mark but also like this strikes me as like
00:58:56.740 he's not saying this to her he's saying this to himself yeah this is a goalless practice guys we
00:59:02.400 didn't say we're gonna get anywhere we didn't say anything was gonna get accomplished eat an egg
00:59:06.320 take a deep breath and get in there he goes really hard on how much focus this will take from the
00:59:13.100 dude he writes quote this technique requires 15 minutes of 100 concentration on approximately
00:59:20.460 three square millimeters of contact nothing more oh poke poke poke poke poke poke that's too slow
00:59:26.680 michael it should be like a hummingbird you shouldn't even you know woodpecker yeah i love
00:59:32.680 that he's like this will be incredibly difficult there is no goal like he's doing this like like
00:59:37.340 the kung fu master montage from kill bill he does tell you to get a kitchen timer and set it for 15
00:59:44.220 minutes to take the pressure off yeah yeah no that'll take the pressure that ticking sound
00:59:48.520 yeah yeah we're in this calculus is like what is this woman thinking it's really strange to me
00:59:55.420 the kinds of gymnastics that he goes through to avoid like just being vulnerable with a partner
01:00:01.440 right right and being like here's what i want what do you want right and like actually just
01:00:05.580 fucking negotiating it on some level or like talking it through he talks us through this whole 0.99
01:00:10.860 how-to and then he gives us an example of like guys here's how fucking well this shit works 1.00
01:00:19.440 get ready the next chapter is called sex machine one adventures in tripling testosterone 0.99
01:00:28.400 own oh no and he opens with an anecdote about a ceo that he sometimes hooks up with named vesper
01:00:38.720 what okay it's really amazing to me how many anecdotes he includes of people that he knows 0.79
01:00:44.740 and includes their first and last name sylvester norwood right fuck nina hartley at his mom's
01:00:50.960 arranging oh yeah i didn't realize that you could just piece together sylvester's full name from
01:00:55.680 this oh yeah also it's hilarious that his mom according to this transcript said hi nina it's
01:01:02.700 mrs norwood also like how many ceos named vesper are i will read this passage peter you google
01:01:10.060 vesper ceo all right mike i believe you're up okay the last time we met i had just taken my
01:01:18.520 total testosterone from 244.8 to 653.3 nanograms per deciliter while cutting my estrogen in half.
01:01:27.380 I just returned from Nicaragua, where I ate grass-fed beef three times a day for 21 days.
01:01:32.520 I had protein loaded for the last three days, eating two to three pounds of fatty,
01:01:36.580 organic, grass-fed beef per day, including at least 400 grams just before bed. Dude,
01:01:42.520 this guy smells like a fucking barn. The result? 15 minutes after we sat down, 1.00
01:01:47.460 Vesper was in a sexually aggressive stupor.
01:01:50.820 The bread hadn't arrived, and she was already climbing on top of me.
01:01:54.760 This is not a boast.
01:01:55.940 This is not penthouse forum.
01:01:57.460 It's a statement of pure confusion.
01:01:59.740 She's a CEO, and this is not typical public CEO behavior.
01:02:03.780 Oh, so it's a public company too?
01:02:05.520 He's just like giving us breadcrumbs here.
01:02:09.920 The whole spectacle was surreal.
01:02:12.180 She was literally intoxicated on pheromones.
01:02:15.700 oh he's saying the beef like made her smell him yeah and then she like went bananas this is like
01:02:21.200 if jordan peterson was horny yeah no he's saying that he has been uh like cholesterol maxing to
01:02:27.860 allow him to increase testosterone production right this is his previous sort of thinking
01:02:33.400 about this like eat a bunch of cholesterol so your body can convert it into testosterone 0.98
01:02:36.800 and he's saying not only did it work it worked so much that it was like invasion of the fucking 0.97
01:02:43.020 body snatchers for this lady right when she saw the beef tallow coming out of my pores she couldn't 0.99
01:02:48.720 resist she can smell a clogged artery absolutely i was like man he has been eating beef three times
01:02:57.660 a day dude for 21 days and he's also saying uh yes i have all this medical equipment at my house 0.87
01:03:04.240 and i get blood work done all the fucking time and i but three weeks of beef for every meal 0.85
01:03:10.080 is gonna show up in your blood work in ways other than testosterone this is why is every rich guy 0.98
01:03:16.300 the same kind of weird at some point they all start beef maxing yeah it's crazy although this
01:03:22.820 was also like 2010 is early to beef maxing but it's also closer to the generation of men who
01:03:29.580 did literally just only eat beef as a matter of practice and principle the whole thing is kind of
01:03:35.800 fucking nuts i think it also makes more sense when you consider like how close in time this is to the 0.79
01:03:42.000 premiere of like vh1's the pickup artist yeah and like the rules and that kind of stuff right 0.98
01:03:48.220 that you're like he's trying to do like a sciency version of like a shitty misogynist sort of dating
01:03:55.860 book right you're doing card trick tricks i'm eating beef yeah yeah eating more beef and doing 0.69
01:04:01.240 things from like a third party instructor rather than asking your partner what she likes right
01:04:07.040 hummingbird speed karate chops on the one o'clock
01:04:09.260 one of the last things that i find really fascinating about this diet book is how it
01:04:20.340 is received in different sort of corners of media book reviews are straightforwardly like this is
01:04:29.520 bullshit the new york times book review writes quote the four-hour body reads as if the new 0.57
01:04:37.260 england journal of medicine had been hijacked by the editors of the sky mall catalog some of this 0.99
01:04:44.040 junk might actually work but you're going to be embarrassed doing it or admitting to your friends 0.94
01:04:48.920 that you're trying it this is a man who after all weighs his own feces likes bloodletting as a life
01:04:55.240 extension strategy and aims a phillips go light at his body in place of ingesting caffeine i love
01:05:02.200 that you skipped the bloodletting i feel like there's too much in the episode i did another
01:05:07.340 one is medical reviews like actual doctors reviewing the book and what did they say about
01:05:12.380 the bloodletting one of them comes from uh psychology today the title of the review is
01:05:18.180 quote how to not become superhuman psychology today on yeah it's not great sort of on the
01:05:24.180 outskirts of what I would consider reputable but even they are like psychology today in their
01:05:31.140 review from this MD right quote so why does this good guy industry insider and potent scientific 0.99
01:05:38.760 self-experimenter write immediately after the title page please don't be stupid and kill yourself 0.93
01:05:44.820 it would make both of us quite unhappy and then says you should quote consult a doctor before 0.75
01:05:50.120 doing anything in this book why is the publisher writing that they and the author quote expressly
01:05:56.540 disclaim responsibility for any adverse effects that may resolve from the user application
01:06:01.340 of the information contained in this book there's a full like legal liability release at the end of
01:06:06.440 the book to buy it you have to like sign a waiver so like book reviews no ostensibly scientific
01:06:12.440 sources no tech crunch yes tech crunch likes it yes they wrote a review in 2011 called the four
01:06:21.780 hour body colon the real app you are working on is the app called yourself yeah yeah i'm in i'm
01:06:31.180 listening and that's just a clean succinct headline so i just sent a little quote from the tech crunch
01:06:36.960 review for whoever when i boarded the four-hour train our fancy schmancy scale reported that i
01:06:43.040 weighed 197.6 pounds 10 days later after morning coffee and protein 187 for calibration i'm 6-1
01:06:52.760 i assume most of the difference is water weight but still that part actually seems to work as
01:06:58.680 advertised yeah he's he says i expected no less given the data that drove it i know i know why
01:07:06.940 Why are you writing about your lunch on TechCrunch?
01:07:09.620 Because my lunch is a data-driven iteration from the previous state of the art.
01:07:14.020 In other words, a technical innovation.
01:07:15.860 Look beyond the valley and you'll find that approach can and will pay dividends almost anywhere.
01:07:22.660 He's like, you may think this is silly, but it's a science-based approach.
01:07:26.280 You're literally just listening to some guy.
01:07:27.900 Why are you writing about your lunch in a technology website?
01:07:33.020 Because there's data involved, dude.
01:07:35.500 And like the data such as it is, is Tim Ferriss tried some stuff on Tim Ferriss and then some
01:07:41.440 people read his blog and emailed him about the stuff that they tried.
01:07:44.800 Uh, the scale that you weigh your poop on is technology, smart guy.
01:08:05.500 We'll be right back.