In Bed With The Right - January 21, 2026


Episode 117 -- Birth Control Misinformation

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00:00:00.000 Hello, I'm Adrienne Dothan.
00:00:08.860 And I'm Moira Donegan.
00:00:09.940 And whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the light.
00:00:13.720 So Adrienne, I was just talking to you off mic about the fact that I'm a little tired today.
00:00:20.060 Yeah.
00:00:20.800 And there are some people who would tell you that that's because I'm in my luteal phase.
00:00:26.240 I don't know what that means.
00:00:27.180 Yeah, neither did anybody else until about two years ago. Today, Adrian, we are talking about something that has taken over the algorithms of every woman in America. That's right. We are talking about birth control misinformation. So what do you know about this? 0.67
00:00:48.680 Shamefully little.
00:00:49.960 I follow enough influencers on Instagram to sort of get some of this content.
00:00:55.040 So when you were suggesting this topic to me, it was like, oh, yeah, like this.
00:00:59.280 I can picture that.
00:01:00.800 And of course, I've been friends with a lot of people who are on, some of my best friends
00:01:04.460 are on birth control.
00:01:06.040 We speak freely and openly about it.
00:01:08.120 But, you know, I have never taken it.
00:01:09.740 I've never picked up a prescription for anyone.
00:01:12.200 Like, I wouldn't know the names or anything like that.
00:01:15.420 So I'm really a babe in the woods.
00:01:18.700 Yeah, birth control is the subject of a lot of very big and strong feelings among the people who consume it.
00:01:26.660 We're really talking today about hormonal birth control.
00:01:29.040 Yeah.
00:01:29.260 I think all of which on the market right now is for women, right?
00:01:33.060 So we're talking about pills, implants, IUDs that prevent pregnancy by suppressing ovulation, thickening cervical mucus.
00:01:42.400 And allegedly, although the science on this is unclear, also sometimes preventing implantation of embryos in the uterine lining.
00:01:51.740 And we're talking about a very specific set of contraceptive products and medications that are available and which are used by something like over 90 percent of American women throughout the course of their reproductive years.
00:02:05.400 So for all the rhythm method heads out there, we're not talking about you today.
00:02:08.920 This isn't about you.
00:02:10.180 Oh, we'll get there, actually.
00:02:11.260 Oh, nice. Okay. Never mind. First thing I said assertively, and it's already wrong. Great.
00:02:16.880 Well, like throughout the course of the past, you know, five years, really since the pandemic,
00:02:21.200 we have seen this big surge in content, particularly online, on TikTok and Instagram.
00:02:28.220 This is mostly like vertical video-based content about birth control. And a lot of it, in fact,
00:02:34.320 like most of it, is pretty scientifically dubious. So one study found that of the 100
00:02:40.720 most popular videos about birth control on TikTok, only 10% were made by healthcare professionals
00:02:47.360 and that 50% of the comments were opposed to hormonal birth control. Another study found that
00:02:54.100 increased exposure to birth control content on these viral video platforms made teenagers less
00:03:00.940 likely to understand menstrual health. So there really is a big push coming from the online
00:03:07.300 wellness space, and by extension from the sort of like Make America Healthy Again movement
00:03:12.180 and the right-wing media apparatuses that are attached to it, to discourage women from
00:03:17.980 taking hormonal birth control, to encourage them to drop it, and to spread dubious or
00:03:23.480 alt-right false information about what these medications do to your body. 0.94
00:03:28.740 Are you telling me that the influencer who tells me what she eats is a 110-pound girly
00:03:34.140 in a day, is maybe not the person to trust on medication.
00:03:39.360 She might not be entirely on the level, I got to say.
00:03:42.980 But she's so good on granola.
00:03:44.360 I mean, you got to go to Era One.
00:03:45.880 It's true.
00:03:46.360 She's right. 0.76
00:03:47.060 110 pound girly is right.
00:03:48.640 Oh, we're actually going to get into some very expensive seed diets, 0.95
00:03:52.220 seed-based diets for your menstrual cycle.
00:03:54.520 This is a thing that the Instagram algorithm will tell you to do
00:03:57.920 if you spend a lot of time, as I did over the past couple weeks,
00:04:00.660 in this part of the internet.
00:04:02.580 Okay, can we talk about the fact that maintenance phase for these kinds of things has a taste test episode?
00:04:06.740 And I don't see any seeds in front of me right now, Donegan.
00:04:09.220 I would like to eat anti-ovulation seeds right now while we're talking.
00:04:13.000 No, they're pro-ovulation seeds.
00:04:14.560 Sorry.
00:04:14.840 Oh, okay.
00:04:15.520 Look, I'll take it.
00:04:16.580 If the seeds are good, I'll do it.
00:04:18.000 Listen, the seeds are expensive.
00:04:19.060 If you guys want us to taste the seeds to be able to make that trip to Erewhon and drop the, you know, $170 on nuts and seeds to regulate our menstrual cycles,
00:04:31.420 subscribe to our Patreon so that we have the income for that kind of a thing. 0.68
00:04:35.440 Yeah, we need insane person money.
00:04:37.440 And, you know, I'm glad that you described this, like, 110-pound girly, right?
00:04:40.740 Because that is kind of the prototypical anti-birth control wellness influencer, right? 0.97
00:04:46.060 I imagine a Gen Z white woman, like, in her 20s, very, like, fit, very toned, 0.99
00:04:52.500 usually wearing, like, a matching Lululemon set. 0.89
00:04:56.820 And she looks healthy.
00:04:58.340 She's got a lot of energy in these videos.
00:05:01.400 She's well lit. 0.73
00:05:02.140 She's made up.
00:05:03.400 And she's telling you to stop taking birth control, that it is bad for you, that she has, quote unquote, done her own research, right?
00:05:11.480 And this is where I think it's important to make a pretty big disclaimer, right?
00:05:16.800 Like people have very valid critiques of hormonal birth control.
00:05:20.140 Some people have had bad experiences, right?
00:05:22.100 So a lot of critiques of hormonal birth control come from a place that often these wellness influencers will start talking about experiences of like medical misogyny and like misogynist neglect at the hands of doctors, right?
00:05:35.940 The sense that like there is insufficient research into like women's gynecological health and that hormonal birth control is offered as a sort of a catch-all that doesn't treat the underlying causes of a gynecological health complaint, but only really treats the symptoms.
00:05:56.340 That's a really common concern.
00:05:57.980 Hormonal birth control can also have legitimate side effects.
00:06:01.200 A big reason people go off it is because side effects for the first couple months when you begin hormonal birth control can be, like, pretty extreme.
00:06:10.860 We're talking about spotting, breast tenderness, cramping, like, a lot of period symptoms, basically.
00:06:17.980 Like, those can go on for a while when you start on birth control. 0.99
00:06:21.200 And a lot of people are like, well, I went on this, and I immediately felt like shit. 0.99
00:06:25.160 Yeah. 0.98
00:06:25.360 And so I went off of it. When if you stay on that medication, those symptoms tend to resolve themselves. But that's hard to tell somebody who's like really uncomfortable or in pain. Right. Just like go ahead and keep on suffering for another two months. We promise it gets better. That's like not really a appealing message. Right. Yeah.
00:06:46.060 There's also like legitimate social justice critiques of the historical uses of birth control, right?
00:06:51.640 So everybody should probably read Dorothy Roberts' book, Killing the Black Body, which shows how birth control has been used as a tool of eugenics.
00:07:01.360 Birth control was tested on non-consenting populations in Puerto Rico when it was coming to market. 0.57
00:07:07.740 Birth control was administered in a U.S. government-funded program to women in the Dominican Republic who were told that they were getting inoculations but were in fact being administered hormonal birth control shots.
00:07:20.020 You know, this is something that has been used coercively in incarceration settings.
00:07:26.720 It's been used coercively in sort of like welfare programs.
00:07:30.740 There's like nasty ways to use hormonal birth control for eugenics purposes or for racist purposes, right? 0.67
00:07:37.740 And I don't think we need to apologize for any of that. 0.96
00:07:42.300 I think those are all legitimate critiques.
00:07:45.220 It's not really what we're talking about here.
00:07:48.260 What we're talking about here is a weaponization of women's sense of their own bodies being sort of out of control or foreign to them
00:07:57.240 and of medical authorities being untrustworthy or neglectful or disinterested in their concerns
00:08:03.600 and people taking those legitimate grievances and weaponizing them for ideological purposes.
00:08:09.740 So in that sense, this episode reminded me a lot of our natural childbirth episode that we did,
00:08:15.680 like, I think just like a month or two ago.
00:08:17.540 Feels like eight years, but yes, I think that's about right.
00:08:20.500 It's a similar phenomenon, right?
00:08:22.800 There's a real failure on the part of the medical profession, 0.99
00:08:28.040 both to investigate these health conditions experienced by women
00:08:31.820 and to, like, gain women's trust and earn the trust of their women's patients, right? 0.51
00:08:36.860 And those failures are being exploited by people who have an agenda that is contrary to women's freedom.
00:08:42.420 Yeah.
00:08:42.840 So one thing I also want to say is that hormonal birth control, for all of its flaws, is a miracle.
00:08:51.160 When the pill was first approved in 1960, it was a society-altering intervention
00:08:57.260 that improved the lot of humanity on a scale
00:09:00.120 comparable to the invention of antibiotics. 0.96
00:09:02.620 Premarital and casual sex became accessible to women
00:09:06.020 without the life-altering consequence of potential pregnancy,
00:09:09.360 but so did education and professional advancement.
00:09:13.560 Women entered the workforce en masse
00:09:15.640 in the last decades of the 20th century 1.00
00:09:17.400 because of hormonal contraception.
00:09:19.840 They entered higher education en masse
00:09:22.240 because of hormonal contraception.
00:09:23.980 They were able to live lives independent of men and to marry and partner with men only because they wanted to and not because they had to because of hormonal contraception.
00:09:34.660 In this way, the pill or, you know, the sort of umbrella of medications and treatments that we refer to as the pill, it unleashed these like untold amounts of human creativity and potential and thriving.
00:09:49.680 It elevated women to new heights of dignity by granting them these new levels of independence.
00:09:57.680 When you say it like that, I'm starting to hear why conservatives are not going to care for this. 0.95
00:10:01.960 They're like, independence and dignity in this economy? 1.00
00:10:05.520 The things they hate for women to have.
00:10:07.380 But also, for all of the valid critiques of gynecologists and obstetricians' over-reliance on hormonal birth control to deal with gynecological pain,
00:10:17.860 Yeah. It's like also a useful intervention medically. So one of the big points made by
00:10:26.580 critics of medical misogyny is that hormonal birth control is like sometimes the only available
00:10:30.280 treatment for a lot of women's health conditions. And it's true that that could reflect a lack of
00:10:35.800 interest or investment or funding of other kinds of treatment to women's health conditions. But
00:10:41.480 it's also true that hormonal birth control is like really effective for treating the symptoms
00:10:47.180 of a lot of gynecological conditions, right?
00:10:49.320 Like if you have endometriosis,
00:10:51.460 you can be waiting for years for laparoscopic surgery.
00:10:55.340 Yeah.
00:10:56.040 But you can get on hormonal birth control
00:10:58.080 and get your symptoms really alleviated like tomorrow.
00:11:01.640 Oh, I didn't know that.
00:11:02.320 Like same thing if you have PCOS.
00:11:04.140 Okay.
00:11:04.560 Or even frankly,
00:11:05.560 if you just have painful, heavy periods or acne, right?
00:11:10.860 Those are symptoms that can be brutal or just unpleasant.
00:11:14.660 and hormonal birth control is a great way to get rid of them.
00:11:19.240 And it's also just kind of practically a better and more reliable way
00:11:24.700 to prevent pregnancy than other methods.
00:11:27.600 So like hormonal birth control is obviously not perfect at preventing pregnancy.
00:11:32.400 Accidents happen.
00:11:33.260 I've met some of those accidents.
00:11:34.700 They're nice.
00:11:35.060 But it has a much smaller rate of user error than other methods.
00:11:40.580 Right. And a much smaller rate of user error than things like barrier methods or pulling out or the anti-birth control movements preferred contraceptive method, the rhythm method. The rhythm method and cycle tracking, these have incredibly high rates of user error. Hormonal birth control kind of doesn't, right?
00:12:00.900 Right. You also don't have to interrupt sex to use hormonal birth control effectively. You can take that pill any time of day, as long as you take it roughly the same time of day every day. And then you don't have to be like, honey, hang on a second, which some people really find sort of prohibitive. But most crucially, and I really think I can't stress this enough, hormonal birth control is good because it is woman controlled.
00:12:26.080 I was going to say, it's not just, honey, can you hold on a second? It's, honey, you did put it on, right? 0.95
00:12:31.160 Yeah.
00:12:31.680 You're not relying on someone else who may not have your best interests at heart to make a crucial decision in your own health.
00:12:39.120 Yeah. If you're relying on the pill, you don't have to rely on men cooperating.
00:12:43.340 You don't have to rely on men denying or delaying their own gratification, which they famously hate doing.
00:12:48.980 And you don't have to rely on them telling you the truth.
00:12:52.420 And it's like kind of bleak that this is not something that women can expect of their male partners, but it's often not.
00:12:58.420 It's something that hormonal birth control puts into women's own hands so that the people who face the greatest consequences of unprotected sex also have the greatest control to avoid those consequences.
00:13:09.900 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:10.340 So one of the things you encounter in discussions about hormonal birth control is like again in our natural childbirth episode is people really understand experience as a qualifier.
00:13:23.780 So I'm just going to like lay my cards on the table.
00:13:26.640 I do not have and never have had what are considered like pathological menstrual cycles, but I did have uncomfortable ones.
00:13:34.960 I have been on hormonal birth control now for, God, like 12 years I've had an IUD.
00:13:42.660 I love my Mirena IUD.
00:13:44.720 It causes me no negative symptoms.
00:13:46.760 And crucially, it allows me to not menstruate.
00:13:49.420 I haven't had like a period really since like 2015.
00:13:51.640 But I was experiencing what are considered like common mid-range period symptoms when I was menstruating.
00:14:01.580 So, like, really heavy cramping in my lower back and my lower belly, like, breast tenderness that made it, like, kind of painful and uncomfortable just to, like, get dressed, let alone, like, go for a jog.
00:14:13.960 And, like, really heavy bleeding and just, like, exhaustion, like, crazy fatigue, right?
00:14:19.320 This is all stuff that most women are dealing with, like, a week out of the month.
00:14:23.580 If they're not on birth control, birth control took that all away from me.
00:14:26.200 And I don't need it for pregnancy prevention.
00:14:29.640 I don't have any debilitating gynecological health issues.
00:14:32.540 I just thought, you know, this is an improvement to my quality of life.
00:14:35.140 And so I did it.
00:14:35.860 And it's great.
00:14:36.700 And I love it and never take it away.
00:14:38.600 And I don't particularly have a lot of investment in the idea of a natural cycle
00:14:45.720 or of what my uterus is, quote unquote, supposed to be doing.
00:14:49.440 That is something other people feel very strongly about
00:14:52.020 and something that is motivating, I think,
00:14:55.360 a lot of these wellness influencers
00:14:58.980 who are going online
00:15:00.860 and talking about ditching birth control.
00:15:03.380 So it's hard to trace exactly
00:15:05.920 where this like new wave
00:15:07.620 of anti-birth control propaganda began
00:15:10.440 and where like older kinds
00:15:12.440 of just straight anti-choice,
00:15:14.400 like classic anti-choice messaging ends.
00:15:17.560 Yeah.
00:15:17.820 But speaking in broad terms,
00:15:19.060 this trend has been building post-pandemic.
00:15:21.100 I see.
00:15:21.940 And it's really taking advantage
00:15:23.620 of the distrust of doctors
00:15:25.020 in medical expertise and the sort of like alternative medicine, holistic, naturopathic
00:15:31.360 medicine resurgence that we've seen since that era. And I actually think one notable origin point
00:15:38.360 in the surge of anti-birth control information, or at least where this first started emerging in
00:15:42.480 my own feeds, is in a kind of separate wellness trend. Adrian, have you ever heard of something
00:15:50.280 called cycle syncing. I think so. That's when you sort of tried to kind of lean into your cycle and
00:15:57.560 like use lifestyle and diet, I'm guessing, to either alleviate PMS or to reduce symptoms. Is
00:16:04.120 that right? Sort of. But I think you're sort of underselling what cycle syncing has become,
00:16:08.380 which is much more of a broader sort of like lifestyle trend promulgated on these platforms,
00:16:14.760 advocating for, like, wholesale changes to activity,
00:16:20.280 understandings of one's own capacity,
00:16:22.380 understandings of one's own rationality
00:16:24.340 based on the different phases of the menstrual cycle.
00:16:28.220 And this started, as far as I can tell,
00:16:32.920 with a 2021 study of athletes.
00:16:35.420 It's a study of women athletes
00:16:37.040 that examined whether the menstrual cycle phase
00:16:41.440 has an impact on athletic performance.
00:16:44.320 I'm highlighting it here in the doc.
00:16:46.140 It's called The Impact of Menstrual Cycle Phase on Athletes' Performance, a Narrative Review.
00:16:50.820 So it's not even an article, it's a review.
00:16:52.880 It's a review of a few different studies.
00:16:55.140 Okay.
00:16:55.880 And so could you also read this highlighted portion here?
00:16:58.840 So this is from the abstract.
00:17:01.180 Studies examining perceived performance consistently report that female athletes identify their performance to be relatively worse during the early follicular and late luteal phases.
00:17:12.240 Studies examining objective performance using anaerobic, aerobic, or strength-related tests do not report clear, consistent effects of the impact of menstrual cycle phase on physical performance.
00:17:23.040 So they're saying you feel shittier and therefore think your performance is worse, but actually it doesn't have any impact?
00:17:30.580 Yeah, so it's saying that women athletes are reporting that they don't feel like they're performing as well overall at two phases of their cycle, which is early follicular.
00:17:40.940 so right after your period, and late luteal, so right before your period.
00:17:45.680 That kind of makes sense to me, right?
00:17:47.560 The period, especially if it's unmedicated, can be uncomfortable.
00:17:52.700 But it's also saying that when you actually objectively measure how well those athletes are doing, there's no change.
00:17:59.580 Yeah. 0.60
00:18:00.080 So it's women who are saying, I don't think I'm doing as well, and then are doing just as well. 0.75
00:18:04.880 Yeah.
00:18:05.080 It's also like really hard to isolate menstrual phase as a variable because all kinds of different things impact something like athletic performance and menstrual phase would be just one in terms of like diet, in terms of how well they're sleeping, in terms of like other stressors, in terms of injuries.
00:18:24.640 You know, all these kinds of things are also at play.
00:18:27.840 And this is just one variable that can't be very well isolated.
00:18:31.040 And then in the conclusion, so it says a substantial proportion of female athletes believe their performance is impacted by menstrual cycle phase, but the research pertaining to objective measures of performance throughout the menstrual cycle does not provide a definitive indication of how performance may fluctuate throughout the menstrual cycle.
00:18:48.180 Many studies have concluded that performance does not vary between menstrual cycle phases.
00:18:52.260 So these are like really inconclusive results that overall seem to suggest that this isn't really a thing.
00:18:59.960 Yeah. But the study is misrepresented online. Of course. Where it goes viral among fitness and wellness influencers who claim that it makes basically the exact opposite conclusion that it does. So these influencers begin suggesting that their followers curate their exercise regimens and then also their diets and their sleep schedules and then more and more of their lives around the menstrual phase.
00:19:24.340 Yeah, just eat raw beef the entire time, eat, I don't know, bull testicles. 0.93
00:19:29.180 I mean, it's obvious why they do this. 0.88
00:19:31.820 Sure, we're going to get to the political dimension, but also health influencers are there to tell you that you can biohack your way out of just about everything.
00:19:40.440 Like, do you guys know that if you drink things with like carbonation or like with more potassium or, you know, if you cut out red meat during your period, like it's something, right?
00:19:51.240 You have to sell people on an intervention, on some kind of biohacking.
00:19:56.060 And that's very clearly not what that original study or that initial review was suggesting.
00:20:02.600 Yeah, like you can see why this kind of thing caught on for the fitness and wellness influencers,
00:20:07.340 because it creates an easy way to sell something new in a sector that gets prone to stagnation, right?
00:20:13.980 Where the actual good advice in health and wellness, as we know from our friends at maintenance phase,
00:20:19.700 it's like kind of boring right it's like the actual good advice is like try to get enough sleep
00:20:24.380 try to move if you can try to eat decently and enough and like that's kind of it and it's pretty
00:20:32.660 repetitive right this gives them a new way in and it also sort of opens up a lot of opportunities to 0.99
00:20:41.360 sell stuff so i mentioned earlier this concept of seed cycling which is a notion that women can eat 0.99
00:20:48.780 different kinds of seeds during the different phases of their menstrual cycles in order to 0.98
00:20:54.700 like sort of promote menstrual health or like overall wellness. The kind of benefits you're
00:21:00.700 supposed to be getting are sort of often kind of hard to measure. So it's like, okay, if you eat
00:21:05.120 pumpkin seeds during one phase of your cycle, you'll have more energy. And if you eat sesame
00:21:11.920 seeds during another phase of your cycle, you can, you know, reduce the chances of cramping or
00:21:17.680 whatever. There's also a lot of sort of inconclusive, but widely touted advice about
00:21:27.880 vitamins. So one of the things that the cycle syncing influencers will advocate for is this
00:21:34.020 idea that different phases of your menstrual cycle deplete your nutrients and therefore you should
00:21:41.060 buy and take various different supplements at various different points of the month.
00:21:45.160 So there's a lot of, like, opportunity to sell stuff in this concept, right?
00:21:49.260 It does seem like health influencers want to turn all men into vampires and all women into, like, gerbils.
00:21:55.740 Like, constantly just, like, hoarding nuts.
00:21:57.820 But, like, on the other side, this succeeds for ideological reasons, right? 0.55
00:22:02.780 It succeeds in part because it affirms something that a lot of people kind of already want to believe, which is that women are ruled by their hormones. 0.52
00:22:11.240 Right.
00:22:11.520 So the cycle-syncing trend generates growing interest in the menstrual cycle in online wellness communities, which are overwhelmingly centered around young women to begin with.
00:22:22.340 So this fad generates a lot of its own misinformation about the menstrual cycle.
00:22:26.260 We should probably just do that episode at another point.
00:22:28.900 But the short version is that, no, ladies, you're not incapable of work, rationality, or critical thought for three weeks out of every month.
00:22:37.040 But for our purposes today, what you need to know is that the trend had a lot of emphasis on the cycle as determining your energy, your state of mind, your capacity.
00:22:47.020 The claim was that everything you need to know about why you feel tired, angry, lonely, hungry, or energized can be answered by looking to what point of your menstrual cycle you're at.
00:22:59.540 And crucially, I think one of the reasons this was kind of an appealing trend for a lot of people was that it emphasized the cycle as commanding rest.
00:23:10.480 It created a permission structure for rest, right? 0.56
00:23:14.420 So you'll see in this kind of genre of online content, a white woman being like, women weren't meant to work all month and putting up like a pie chart about the menstrual cycle and being like, we're exhausted during our luteal phase. 1.00
00:23:27.820 And this is how you get some of the trad wife influencers involved. 1.00
00:23:32.200 But we do stand a lazy queen on this podcast. 0.99
00:23:35.620 Well, like, it sort of justifies rest. 0.97
00:23:39.680 It creates a medical permission structure, a quote-unquote medical permission structure for rest that is also evoking this, like, naturalized justification for the idea of women's unfitness for public life and for paid work. 0.89
00:23:52.980 Yeah. I mean, people who fall for this trend online probably are too young to remember that when Hillary Clinton ran for president, the idea that, like, she wouldn't be fit to be commander-in-chief for a certain time of the month was, like, something that people, like, would say into cameras with shocking regularity.
00:24:09.700 People get paid to say things into cameras, not like some dude at a diner. 0.96
00:24:13.580 And now that's something that women are saying into cameras in their Lycra with their, you know, high ponies and their Botox faces. 1.00
00:24:22.160 Hashtag progress. 0.92
00:24:23.880 Well, another thing that's kind of shocking about this trend is how many of the women who are really leaning hard on the word natural when they tell you to get off birth control have these faces that are just inflated with fillers. 0.94
00:24:38.220 And it's like, well, what's natural about that, right? 0.84
00:24:40.520 Some interventions into the body are acceptable and some aren't.
00:24:45.580 And I'm going to give a little spoiler alert to our listeners that I think that that might be an ideological difference more than a medical one.
00:24:54.280 God, I've been listening to this podcast for three years and you're still managing to surprise me.
00:25:00.900 So the thing about hormonal birth control is that when you're on hormonal birth control, you don't have really a menstrual cycle, right?
00:25:10.660 Hormonal birth control suppresses ovulation.
00:25:13.080 You don't need to bleed at all on hormonal birth control.
00:25:16.440 In fact, when the pill was introduced on the market in 1960, it had that packet of placebo pills at the end of every month, not because it was medically necessary, but because marketers thought that American women would be too freaked out if they just stopped menstruating altogether.
00:25:35.080 And so it was meant to make the pill more socially acceptable to retain a rhythm of menstruation.
00:25:41.580 So you can just be on hormonal birth control and not menstruate at all. When you're on hormonal birth control, you're not really in this sort of cycle merry-go-round. I think a lot of people who are not on hormonal birth control do not particularly understand their own energy or capacity or emotions to be so massively different and determined throughout the different cycles of the month or phases of the month.
00:26:08.720 But this idea was that hormonal birth control, like, interrupted or corrupted this natural process, right?
00:26:18.500 It posited this, like, dangerous, unnatural intervention in the authentic rhythms of the body and of the self.
00:26:26.880 So this idea flourished almost as a matter of course.
00:26:30.380 It followed both the ideological logic of the cycle-thinking fad as well as the influencer's own monetary incentives, right?
00:26:38.440 If you really believe or are pretending for the sake of your social media following to believe that the menstrual cycle represents this essential rhythm of life that tells us something needed and necessary and true about, you know, female human beings,
00:26:59.280 then not only are you going to dislike hormonal birth control for interrupting that truth,
00:27:07.740 but you're also going to tell your followers to get off it so that they can more effectively,
00:27:13.740 you know, buy your seed packet or whatever. So the major cycle syncing entrepreneurs
00:27:19.760 began pushing anti-birth control content on their feeds. And the one I want to pay attention to
00:27:26.880 is a woman named Nicole Bendayan. 0.97
00:27:30.280 Have you ever heard of this woman?
00:27:31.500 No, I have not. 0.93
00:27:32.720 She is an American wellness influencer.
00:27:34.760 She is, I believe, 30.
00:27:36.260 She lives in Valencia, Spain.
00:27:38.720 Must be nice.
00:27:39.440 Must be nice.
00:27:42.040 Well, now she gets to tell me anything.
00:27:43.680 Anyone who's made the wise decision to live in Valencia,
00:27:45.720 which is a stupendously beautiful city.
00:27:48.740 Yeah, just tell me what to take.
00:27:50.040 I'll do it.
00:27:50.500 I'll eat all the nuts.
00:27:52.100 She has over a million followers across Instagram and TikTok.
00:27:55.700 and she offers a $35 per month subscription service
00:28:00.180 in which people who sign up, members,
00:28:03.360 can get access to her hormonal health quote-unquote classes.
00:28:06.580 These are just videos of her talking.
00:28:08.000 Ah, okay.
00:28:08.620 And they also get cycle-syncing meal plans. 1.00
00:28:11.400 She frequently makes false claims on her public feed 1.00
00:28:16.000 about hormonal birth control.
00:28:17.700 She claims that it has adverse health effects
00:28:20.100 and some platforms have removed a few of her videos
00:28:24.180 for violating their terms of service
00:28:26.540 related to medical misinformation.
00:28:28.380 If you read quotes from her now, 0.99
00:28:29.920 she has clearly like lawyered up
00:28:31.380 and she's like, well, you know,
00:28:33.040 I am just an educator.
00:28:34.640 I'm not a medical professional.
00:28:36.360 Like you should always do your own research.
00:28:37.940 It's like very like dodgy.
00:28:39.620 She's just like dodging accountability.
00:28:41.080 But what she is doing is lying 1.00
00:28:43.840 and spreading lies in a very, very large platform. 1.00
00:28:48.280 She's like, your idea of cycle thinking
00:28:49.700 may differ from those of Nicole Bendayan,
00:28:51.820 and her shareholders and subsidiaries or whatever.
00:28:54.780 Yeah.
00:28:55.060 And, you know, she has continued to encourage her audience
00:28:57.940 to discontinue hormonal birth control
00:28:59.900 for the sake of their quote-unquote health. 0.98
00:29:02.000 And she also offers an even more expensive program.
00:29:05.340 It's a few hundred dollars that is a three-month subscription 0.58
00:29:09.440 in which she will test your blood
00:29:11.200 and tell you how your hormonal birth control
00:29:13.660 has diminished your vitamin levels. 1.00
00:29:15.220 What is it about female grifters and just wanting your blood? 1.00
00:29:19.180 Just a little vial. 1.00
00:29:20.280 You're like, no, I said no.
00:29:21.660 This is weird.
00:29:22.180 You're not a doctor.
00:29:23.700 Adrian, you'll be shocked to discover that Nicole has no medical training.
00:29:27.400 Yeah, I am plotzing over here.
00:29:29.460 I pulled a couple of screenshots from her website.
00:29:32.920 Do you want to describe what you see?
00:29:34.300 I mean, the first thing I see is purple.
00:29:36.320 Just so much purple. 1.00
00:29:38.760 It's a woman wearing purple. 1.00
00:29:40.720 She's looking into the sun. 0.93
00:29:42.660 She is pushing the hair out of her face. 0.88
00:29:45.540 The title is The Sync Society Community.
00:29:48.000 Start getting in sync with your cycle. 0.98
00:29:49.420 If you gave this to me in a script I couldn't read, I would assume that woman is going to have her cooch lasered, frankly. 1.00
00:29:57.160 That's what it looks like. 1.00
00:29:58.280 It looks like a laser hair removal place, yeah. 0.99
00:30:00.880 Yeah, it is like the graphic design of the worst gynecologist you've ever been to. 1.00
00:30:05.720 She's in a kind of clingy purple dress. 1.00
00:30:08.340 She's got a blue bag and shoes.
00:30:12.260 She is like dressed for a city.
00:30:14.420 It's like an urban style, but they've got her either in or I think maybe photoshopped into what looks like a pretty rural background.
00:30:22.400 She's like in front of a—
00:30:23.120 She's a barn door. 1.00
00:30:24.020 Yeah, there's like some hydrangeas behind her. 1.00
00:30:26.420 Also purple.
00:30:27.180 So that's one image.
00:30:28.640 Then there's this other one.
00:30:29.900 Can you describe this one?
00:30:31.200 Yes.
00:30:31.860 This is clearly the landing page of the Sink Society, which has four tabs, Home, About Nicole, Guides, and Blog.
00:30:39.040 And then it is her in a gray tank top, living her best life on top of a beach, probably, I don't know, is this Costa del Sol or something like that?
00:30:49.000 It's somewhere.
00:30:50.020 This does look to me very Mediterranean.
00:30:52.620 There is a palm tree.
00:30:53.780 There's a palm tree.
00:30:55.060 And she's like doing a kind of like end of a mental health commercial right after she's taken the blue, red, green or purple pill or whatever they're hawking.
00:31:05.460 She's now in the happy phase of that.
00:31:07.120 and kind of a yoga kind of thing.
00:31:10.020 And it says connect with your cycle
00:31:11.340 to optimize your health and wellness.
00:31:13.740 And then there's a little tab here.
00:31:16.500 It says chat with me.
00:31:18.560 Yeah, you can get access to Nicole's advice.
00:31:22.320 And then this is a ad for a course she has 0.97
00:31:26.500 where she is sitting again in that like same color purple. 1.00
00:31:30.200 Yeah. 0.99
00:31:30.640 And you can see her full on.
00:31:32.840 You can see her unlined, very, very full face.
00:31:37.120 And it's an ad for one of her courses.
00:31:39.620 It gets synced.
00:31:40.480 Your menstrual cycle 101.
00:31:42.360 And it's free for members. 0.99
00:31:43.660 And if you join and pay $35 a month, you can watch her talking about shit she does not actually know anything about or understand. 0.99
00:31:50.860 Oh, my God. 0.99
00:31:51.160 Should we join?
00:31:53.520 Once again, if you want me to take this class, sign up for the Patreon.
00:31:56.820 Yeah, it's patreon.com slash embedwiththeright.
00:32:00.460 That would be such a delicious waste of our time.
00:32:03.100 Okay.
00:32:03.380 Anyway.
00:32:03.700 Anyway, so like one thing that I have noticed about these influencers is that they all say that hormonal birth control is bad, that it was bad for them, that they felt bad on it.
00:32:14.980 Yeah.
00:32:15.160 But what harm it actually did to them is kind of hard to pin down, right?
00:32:21.140 So as we mentioned, a lot of people have like real legitimate adverse side effects from birth control, like nausea, headaches, a lot of cramping, acne, but also a lot of people, ding, ding, ding, me among them.
00:32:33.700 Take hormonal birth control and feel absolutely fine.
00:32:37.180 There's another thing is that hormonal birth control, we refer to it as this one item, as if it is like just one medication.
00:32:45.820 In fact, there's a lot of different kinds, both different ways to access or take it and also different combinations of the hormones.
00:32:54.280 Right.
00:32:54.540 So they're basically all combinations of estrogen and progesterone, but some are progesterone only.
00:32:59.960 Those tend to have lower risks of things like blood clots or headaches than the ones that also contain estrogen.
00:33:06.800 Some are very low dose, right?
00:33:08.480 So if you've had, like, a bad experience with hormonal birth control.
00:33:11.700 You can try a different one.
00:33:12.800 Try a different one, yeah.
00:33:13.760 It's a little bit like.
00:33:14.920 SSRIs, right?
00:33:15.900 Antidepressants, yes.
00:33:16.740 I was just going to say, yeah, exactly.
00:33:17.860 Because it's the same thing where, like, everyone I know who's on them tries different ones.
00:33:23.240 And, like, yes, there's some that have bad side effects for people.
00:33:26.480 And then you try the other ones. 0.70
00:33:28.620 And yet, like, in the Maha movement, it's very clear that, like, no, they're all bad, and they're all bad for you. 0.61
00:33:35.400 And, like, the anecdotal evidence is always, like, I took this one, and it was bad. 0.98
00:33:40.340 And, like, I mean, I think that's even true for antibiotics.
00:33:43.460 My mom had to go off a particular antibiotic and onto a different antibiotic.
00:33:46.920 They're like, you're not reacting to this well.
00:33:48.220 Like, it's something that doctors do all the time.
00:33:50.540 But, yeah, the fact that we use it to the monolithic birth control is, like, kind of a tell already.
00:33:56.160 Yeah, my mom is allergic to penicillin.
00:33:57.800 Yeah. Which when she was born meant that she couldn't take antibiotics, but now there's other kinds. Right. So she doesn't have to die of a staph infection. Right. If you have a really bad reaction and just hate being on orthoprovera, that doesn't mean you can never use hormonal birth control. Right. You can try another one. Right. And for a lot of people, there's just no side effects. A lot of people do find one either immediately or through trial and error on which they feel good. And their main side effect is that they are not pregnant. Right.
00:34:25.700 But what you do get in these videos is a lot of women first emphasizing medical misogyny and distrust of doctors, that's usually how they open, and then they describe their own symptoms in very vague terms, right?
00:34:40.880 So they're talking about stuff that sounds like it could be a cold or an autoimmune disorder or mental health issues or just like staring at a screen for too long.
00:34:50.700 It's like, God, I was on hormonal birth control and then I started developing a very mild headache.
00:34:56.040 You know, like it's content that's designed to make you think like, oh, God, am I starting to feel that right now?
00:35:02.900 So they talk about birth control as inducing like brain fog or depression.
00:35:07.860 But the most common phrase I kept encountered was I didn't feel like myself.
00:35:11.820 Oh, am I taking birth control?
00:35:14.880 Is this how I find out?
00:35:17.260 So it's all like very imprecise, right?
00:35:19.080 And that's my design.
00:35:20.480 Yeah.
00:35:20.700 And then they contrast that bad feeling on birth control with a better way they say they felt after they stopped taking it, which was also in similar imprecise terms depicted very positively, right?
00:35:34.580 Like I felt good, I felt healthy, I felt rejuvenated, I felt natural, that's a big one, and I felt like myself.
00:35:41.240 So do we know whether Nicole Bendeian developed this theory of not taking birth control before or after she moved to Valencia?
00:35:49.540 Because I was going to say, maybe you just felt more like yourself because you're in a pretty great place with amazing food.
00:35:56.380 I felt so much better when I moved.
00:35:58.240 Yeah, she moved from, I'm sorry, but Nebraska to like Valencia, Spain.
00:36:01.840 It's like, yeah, you're going to get a little bit of a pick-me-up there, my friend.
00:36:07.280 But like, this is all to say that the issue of birth control is often pitched kind of less as one of health per se or like physical health than almost as like a spiritual matter, right?
00:36:18.620 Yeah.
00:36:18.860 It's like going off the pill is depicted as like this metaphysical quest for a more authentic self.
00:36:25.420 So the Times, the New York Times, did a big piece last year on birth control misinformation online.
00:36:30.820 And they quoted one woman who stopped taking the pill after seeing all this anti-birth control content as wondering, quote, who am I without birth control?
00:36:40.500 Interesting.
00:36:41.100 Do you want to read this line?
00:36:42.080 Yes.
00:36:43.040 Just over a year since Ms. Hamrake decided to stop taking the pills,
00:36:46.380 she has figured out who she is without birth control.
00:36:49.420 She's a mother.
00:36:50.060 Oh, my God.
00:36:50.720 She's a mother.
00:36:51.540 Her baby is four months old.
00:36:53.120 Oh, my God.
00:36:54.300 The New York Times printed this. 1.00
00:36:55.720 The New York Times really, like, took a shit on this woman. 0.99
00:37:00.300 I'm sorry. 0.99
00:37:01.280 They're like, who are you without birth control? 0.95
00:37:03.220 You're pregnant. 1.00
00:37:05.240 Are they taking the piss out of us or of her?
00:37:07.960 I don't even understand this. 0.62
00:37:09.020 Of her, I think.
00:37:09.680 At the end of the article, she goes back on birth control.
00:37:12.360 Oh, okay.
00:37:12.980 It's actually, it's pretty tragic.
00:37:14.560 Oh.
00:37:14.800 She was clearly at kind of like a difficult phase of her life.
00:37:17.260 She just made a big move.
00:37:18.520 She just started dating this new guy.
00:37:20.160 She was in her 20s.
00:37:21.560 They like had talked about how they weren't ready to have a kid, but she wanted to go off birth control. 0.95
00:37:27.300 And then she got pregnant within like four months and had a baby. 0.94
00:37:31.700 And now they are like pretty clearly lost navigating new parenthood, which is this like identity mind fuck in which you're underslept and don't know who you are. 0.98
00:37:40.300 Yeah. 0.98
00:37:40.560 Yeah. And can't afford anything. And now she's back on birth control because she doesn't want this to happen to her again.
00:37:45.680 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the description of, like, coming back to yourself, it feels like that's how people talk to me who've just, like, discovered mindfulness or whatever.
00:37:55.200 Like, it really, it comes out of a mental health space or out of, like, out of self-care space rather than, like, a medical space, which, like, this very much is.
00:38:04.020 it reminds me of like you know everybody knows that one guy who like like went to brazil and 0.94
00:38:10.940 did ayahuasca you know what i mean like and then he comes back and he's just so fucking smug 0.98
00:38:14.820 uh it's like uh you're still you're still the same douchebag you were three months ago before 0.99
00:38:20.080 you did this like little imperialist adventure to the jungle and took drugs or the person who 0.96
00:38:24.120 goes to like a silent retreat at a buddhist monastery and then paradoxically enough can 0.88
00:38:28.400 shut the fuck up about the retreat you're like why don't you make like the buddhist like you did 0.96
00:38:33.800 at the Buddhist monastery 1.00
00:38:34.640 and shut up 1.00
00:38:35.340 about the fucking 1.00
00:38:36.580 silent retreat. 0.99
00:38:38.520 It's a very Bay Area
00:38:39.540 problem for your listeners.
00:38:40.460 I'm sorry.
00:38:41.000 Yeah, no,
00:38:41.500 we are very much
00:38:42.560 revealing the fact
00:38:43.280 that we live
00:38:43.820 in San Francisco.
00:38:46.540 But so, okay,
00:38:47.360 so this anti-birth
00:38:48.060 control trend
00:38:48.880 that like originates
00:38:50.120 on the wellness
00:38:50.820 side of the internet
00:38:52.280 very quickly
00:38:53.900 metastasizes
00:38:55.120 beyond that section
00:38:57.480 of the internet
00:38:58.040 or rather like
00:38:58.720 through that section
00:38:59.660 of the internet
00:39:00.100 that is already like
00:39:00.960 leaning kind of conservative.
00:39:02.520 Yeah. 1.00
00:39:02.780 And it gets taken up by the token young women at conservative media outlets. 1.00
00:39:09.860 Right. 1.00
00:39:10.220 So every one of these like right wing propaganda outlets has a couple of like young women who are trying to be the part of that institution that can hold up like the female side of the market. 1.00
00:39:25.660 right? Their audiences are skewing male, but they always have a couple of token hot girls 1.00
00:39:31.020 who are there to try and talk to young women and bring them over to the side of conservatism. And 1.00
00:39:37.420 those girls went hard against birth control over the past couple of years. So you hear about places 0.72
00:39:45.200 like Turning Points USA, the group of the now dead Charlie Kirk, and the Daily Wire, headed by the
00:39:51.080 still alive, Ben Shapiro, they saw their young women on-camera talent start pushing this anti-birth
00:39:57.500 control misinformation to their audiences, which are largely female. Which is so ironic because
00:40:03.040 if there is one kind of birth control that is more effective than hormonal birth control, 1.00
00:40:09.220 it is Ben Shapiro's fucking face. And voice. Awesome voice. Remember when he was like, 1.00
00:40:14.680 wet-ass pussy is a terrible song because my wife says that that's not supposed to happen? 1.00
00:40:19.900 yeah yeah that was beautiful i mean i don't think i've ever recovered from that 1.00
00:40:24.140 i mean he read the entire wap lyrics out i said certified freak seven days a week 0.98
00:40:30.140 wet ass p word make that pull out game week yeah you effing with some wet ass p word p word is 1.00
00:40:37.380 female genitalia bring a bucket and a mop for this wet the amount of libido in the world went 1.00
00:40:43.480 down by like 15 while he was reciting this like oh i don't think the sex thing is for me anymore 0.99
00:40:48.380 Alex Clark, who is a podcaster and influencer affiliated with Turning Point USA, 0.59
00:40:56.380 she hosts the right-wing wellness show Culture Apothecary.
00:40:59.840 That's what it's actually called. 1.00
00:41:01.580 She has falsely claimed that the pill causes permanent infertility.
00:41:05.320 It does not.
00:41:06.440 And that it can change who women are sexually attracted to.
00:41:09.660 We're going to come back to this.
00:41:11.220 But, Adrienne, would you read this tweet from Alex Clark from November 2022?
00:41:16.060 Yeah, this is from Alex Clark, who has a blue check on Twitter, so make of that what you will.
00:41:22.280 Handle at YoAlexRaps with a Z.
00:41:25.560 Look, I'm only reading what's here.
00:41:29.420 Millions of followers, okay?
00:41:31.080 Like, this is who we are ruled over. 1.00
00:41:33.580 Whispers, the birth control pill can falsely make women feel bisexual. 0.89
00:41:38.120 Wow. 0.87
00:41:38.900 Yeah.
00:41:39.280 Huge if true.
00:41:41.560 Although the ratio on this thing is not hot.
00:41:44.320 No, it's not great.
00:41:45.000 It has 170 likes. It has 763 retweets. And I'm going to go out on a limb and be like, these are probably quote tweets of the Dunkage variety and 347 replies. Yeah.
00:41:58.800 But this is actually a claim that gets taken up a lot. Yeah.
00:42:02.020 Brett Cooper of The Daily Wire, she's another one of these girls. She looks like Ben Shapiro and that she's got like very intense eyebrows, but I don't think they're related.
00:42:10.900 She also said in a viral TikTok that garnered about a quarter of a million likes before it was taken down that birth control causes women to, one, gain weight.
00:42:21.080 And this is honestly a subtext of a lot of complaints about birth control online, particularly in like wellness spaces.
00:42:29.200 It's like, oh, this is bad for us because it's going to make us fat, right?
00:42:33.400 She also claimed, like Alex Clark, that hormonal birth control can alter who women are attracted to.
00:42:38.980 I mean, which is kind of a funny way of, like, medicalizing the social impact you were describing.
00:42:44.300 It does influence who women end up with because it's harder to trick them into, like, basically staying with their deadbeat boyfriends, right?
00:42:52.960 Like, they're naming something real, but they're making it medical when it's social.
00:42:56.560 Yes, yeah.
00:42:57.100 If you take birth control, you are, in fact, probably not going to wind up marrying your high school boyfriend just because he trapped you with a baby by getting pregnant when you were 18.
00:43:06.180 Exactly.
00:43:06.460 And that might indeed result in you maturing and dating a different kind of guy who has talents beyond, I don't know, doing a kickflip or whatever.
00:43:15.700 Or gal.
00:43:16.560 Possibly, yeah. 0.98
00:43:17.440 Many such cases.
00:43:18.500 That is the danger of hormonal birth control.
00:43:23.540 Candace Owens has called the pill unnatural.
00:43:27.920 There's also this guy, Callie Means, and he's an advisor to RFK Jr.
00:43:32.860 Classic.
00:43:33.420 Great.
00:43:33.680 He went on Joe Rogan's podcast to denounce birth control, and his argument, and this kind of stood out to me, his argument was that pharmaceutical companies push birth control because it gets them lifelong customers, right?
00:43:47.400 Women are on birth control for a long time.
00:43:49.580 And what did this remind you of, Adrienne?
00:43:51.680 That's what they say about hormones for trans kids. This is a very common kind of transphobic talking point that sort of tries to sound like it's a critique of the medical establishment, but really is only just like barely hidden transphobia.
00:44:07.540 There's like all kinds of drugs actually that you take for the rest of your life.
00:44:10.780 Like the most commonly prescribed drug in America is Lipitor, which is a high cholesterol drug.
00:44:15.900 And nobody is like the evil big pharma lobby is trying to get us all on statins so that we can not have our like natural God-given heart attacks.
00:44:26.480 You know, it's just like it's not a consistent critique.
00:44:29.600 It is very selectively applied.
00:44:31.160 God wanted your bones to get brittle and break.
00:44:33.960 Stop chewing on that calcium pill.
00:44:37.080 So they make like a bunch of claims about birth control, and I'm just going to run through them.
00:44:42.780 One is like the kind of classic that like a lot of kinds of hormonal birth control and like kind of only the really effective woman controlled kinds of birth control are actually abortifacients.
00:44:52.500 Not true.
00:44:52.960 This is like an ideological anti-choice lie that relies on the dubious and sort of like really genuinely unclear idea that some kinds of hormonal birth control can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. 1.00
00:45:06.900 If you believe that a fertilized egg is equivalent to the human life of a baby or a human woman, you are a stupid, morally unserious person. 0.86
00:45:18.100 But also the idea is that then that that fertilized egg has a human right to implant in somebody else's uterus and that a drug that might theoretically at some point maybe also work by preventing that from happening is functionally an abortion. 0.96
00:45:33.440 Yeah, I mean, like, if you're trying to trade off the rights of the woman compared to the rights of what you've just described, like, what do you think of women?
00:45:40.460 If you're like, yeah, it could under certain circumstances, and I mean, it's maybe not a child, maybe it is a child, right?
00:45:46.240 Well, it seems like you just don't like women very much. 0.99
00:45:48.760 I mean, also, like, the primary way that hormonal birth control actually works is by suppressing ovulation, right?
00:45:53.820 So there's no egg there to get fertilized.
00:45:56.000 So it's really like a highly contingent fantasy.
00:45:59.280 Yeah, if it happens at the wrong time, if it doesn't function as intended and then does function as intended, yeah.
00:46:05.020 Trying to make it make sense almost doesn't work because what it really is is like a convenient ideological pretext for banning birth control, which they want to do because they don't like its social results, right?
00:46:12.960 Right.
00:46:13.700 The other claim these influencers make is that birth control will make you insane.
00:46:17.980 Oh.
00:46:18.220 And they frequently point to a study that finds a correlation between birth control, hormonal birth control use, and SSRI prescriptions among women.
00:46:28.740 Right. This is yet another correlation causation confusion. It's a little bit like RFK's sense that like, oh, well, you know, once we started vaccinating kids, a lot more of them got autism. It's like, yeah, well, a lot more of them were being screened for autism.
00:46:43.960 A lot more of the women who are being able to see a gynecologist and get a birth control prescription are also being able to get referred out for psych, right? It's just a matter of who's getting access to medical care.
00:46:57.060 Who's covered.
00:46:57.800 There is the claim that birth control causes or makes women more susceptible to sexually transmitted infections.
00:47:05.420 This is not true.
00:47:06.860 There is one that causes infertility, not when you stop taking it.
00:47:12.240 It actually does while you are on it.
00:47:15.260 And in fact, that is the point and the idea and something that we're doing on purpose. 0.97
00:47:19.620 But, you know, they will point to this idea that women who are on birth control have fewer babies overall, to which I would like to say yes. 0.98
00:47:26.840 Right. 1.00
00:47:27.320 That's actually kind of the idea. Hormonal birth control is fully reversible. Most people's fertility will be restored in three months. For some people, it's more like six months, but the rate is back to about 100% after 12 months of cessation.
00:47:42.680 But this is like where they really sort of they're intersecting with people's like deep anxieties and fears in this really malicious way, isn't it?
00:47:50.100 I mean, I do know a lot of people who go off hormonal birth control when they decide to have a child and then are kind of freaked out when it takes a little while.
00:47:56.500 And it's like maybe that's an after effect of the birth control.
00:48:00.000 The research doesn't seem to suggest that.
00:48:01.880 What it probably is, is that you're now quite a bit older than when you had your last pregnancy scare, you know, in college or whatever.
00:48:07.720 Right. And like your body needs a little time.
00:48:09.600 But it is this weird thing where like the idea that you're being punished for something, you didn't do what you were supposed to do and therefore you're getting punished for it somehow.
00:48:19.060 Yeah, it's definitely like understood as karmic when really what it is, is like if you have a fertility issue, you're not likely to understand that issue or notice that issue until you're trying to get pregnant.
00:48:29.120 Right.
00:48:29.480 So there's an underlying issue that is not identified until the birth control stops.
00:48:35.280 That does not mean that it was caused by the birth control.
00:48:38.680 That's a post hoc ergo proctor hoc fallacy, but birth control does not have the capacity to cause permanent infertility.
00:48:47.680 There is the argument that it decreases libido.
00:48:52.060 That's not really proven either.
00:48:54.700 There is some evidence that women who stop taking birth control experience a temporary spike in their testosterone production, which will probably make them feel a little hornier.
00:49:04.660 It might also give them some acne.
00:49:06.080 That's something that tends to happen in the first, like, couple months after people stop taking birth control.
00:49:11.600 That doesn't mean that, like, sex has been deprived of you while you were on it.
00:49:17.140 But again, I think this is a kind of ideological idea sort of smuggled into this medical fear, right?
00:49:23.660 It's like, oh, I'm not doing sex correctly.
00:49:25.960 I'm not doing sex naturally.
00:49:27.740 I'm not doing sex in line with a plan that has been laid out by God or evolution or whichever sort of author of destiny that you're relying on outside of yourself, right?
00:49:41.320 It's this idea that there's something incorrect about sexuality that is conducted by people who are on birth control.
00:49:48.180 Yeah.
00:49:48.440 Again, the only method of birth control that has been proven scientifically to decrease libido is Ben Shapiro's face.
00:49:55.680 Yes.
00:49:55.920 You can look it up in the science.
00:49:57.260 and that brings me back to this other claim this is a recurring claim is that hormonal birth control
00:50:04.980 makes women attracted to effeminate men or in fact to other women what yeah this comes from
00:50:11.300 like one shoddy study that claims to show that women who take hormonal birth control
00:50:15.820 are more sexually attracted to men with quote more feminine facial features oh they didn't
00:50:21.320 measure their skulls that seems like an oversight if you want the atlantic to call you you gotta 0.71
00:50:26.280 and measure some skulls.
00:50:27.540 Like, what does more 1.00
00:50:28.580 feminine facial features mean? 0.95
00:50:29.640 I know. 1.00
00:50:30.420 Like, how do you measure that?
00:50:31.500 Yeah.
00:50:31.780 How do you separate
00:50:32.560 correlation and causation here?
00:50:34.260 Like, this is one of
00:50:35.040 the clearest examples to me
00:50:36.580 of the anti-birth control panic
00:50:38.520 substitution of cultural
00:50:39.940 commitments for science.
00:50:41.200 Yeah. 1.00
00:50:41.820 Because saying that women 1.00
00:50:42.540 who are doing something 0.99
00:50:43.980 you don't like,
00:50:44.820 like taking birth control,
00:50:46.540 are attracted to
00:50:47.440 quote-unquote feminine men,
00:50:48.940 that's an ideological judgment 1.00
00:50:50.300 that's posing as a health measure, right?
00:50:52.580 It's not measuring anything
00:50:53.620 about people's actual bodies
00:50:54.800 or their actual health.
00:50:56.280 So what these influencers are really saying, I think, is that birth control makes women noncompliant with heterosexuality as they imagine heterosexuality and aspire to live it, right?
00:51:06.820 And that's a vision of sexuality in which, like, sexual dimorphism and difference is really, like, maximized and valorized. 0.56
00:51:15.000 Like, women are like this, and nature made women like this, and they are the opposite of men in every way, and that is, you know, good. 0.83
00:51:23.100 It's one in which women's sexuality is subordinated to reproductivity. 0.85
00:51:26.840 The other thing they say is that if you're off birth control, you'll be really horny, like uncontrollably, but kind of only when you're ovulating.
00:51:34.920 So it's this idea, it's fake, it's like not true, but it's this idea that like in the quote unquote natural cycle, women's sexuality is all about making babies and not about like their pleasure.
00:51:46.080 And it's one in which, crucially, men's status and men's masculinity is proven literally, like, by their virility, right?
00:51:53.680 Because what makes a man, quote-unquote, feminine in this imagination is not really that he's got, like, softer facial features based on some weird phrenology measure.
00:52:03.520 It's that his partner is able to decide not to have his baby, right?
00:52:06.640 That's what's emasculating.
00:52:07.820 That's what's feminizing in his condition.
00:52:11.060 So if these are people who have an ideological objection to birth control kind of disguised as a health concern, what is it that they propose instead, right?
00:52:19.580 What is their idea of like a good cycle?
00:52:22.520 Yeah.
00:52:22.640 And this is where we come to this world's claims about unmedicated cycles.
00:52:29.440 And that brings us back, Adrian, to cycle syncing.
00:52:32.960 So I have put in a convenient pie chart from a menstrual tracking app called Femia, which, by the way, has terrible reviews on the App Store.
00:52:47.360 Nice.
00:52:47.720 And it shows, I think, pretty neatly what this world thinks the menstrual cycle looks like or should look like.
00:52:57.600 Wow.
00:52:58.840 Okay, there's a lot going on here.
00:53:00.800 Okay, it's a pie chart called
00:53:02.920 Cycle Syncing, Making Lifestyle Choices
00:53:04.460 to Support Your Monthly Hormone Cycle.
00:53:06.520 There are four segments of this pie chart,
00:53:09.800 different phases of your cycle,
00:53:11.620 menstrual, follicular, ovulatory, and luteal.
00:53:14.440 And then they each list energy, diet, exercise,
00:53:18.000 and self-care for the duration of that phase.
00:53:22.340 Okay, so maybe just as an example,
00:53:24.760 during the menstrual one,
00:53:26.320 you should rest or gentle activities
00:53:27.920 like yoga or like walking,
00:53:29.260 but during luteal, modern activities like Pilates and walking.
00:53:33.840 For ovulatory, high-energy activities, social or group workouts, okay,
00:53:38.180 and follicular, opt for intense workouts like cardio strength training or what's HIIT?
00:53:44.700 High-intensity interval training. It's basically cardio.
00:53:48.020 Yeah.
00:53:48.520 So I would like to point out especially the luteal phase, which you might notice is the longest phase.
00:53:54.320 Yeah, 14 days.
00:53:55.400 Is the one in which it has noted potential mood, appetite, and quote-unquote cognitive changes.
00:54:02.180 Those quotes are mine, by the way.
00:54:04.340 But, like, what this is claiming is that women's energy, cognitive capacity, sexual desire, and physical strength vary tremendously throughout the month based on the phase of her cycle.
00:54:15.980 And, in fact, she should not be trusted for about a third of the month, yeah. 0.93
00:54:19.680 Right. Yeah. Like they tend to assert that women are high energy, competent and desirous during only the first early phases of their cycle. So like the one week or so follicular and ovulation combined phases. But then they're low energy, low cognitive capacity, emotionally dysregulated, like crazy idiots who are physically weak during the much longer three week period comprising the luteal and menstrual phases.
00:54:43.400 Right. 1.00
00:54:43.720 So this is a chart saying, ladies, you're an idiot for three weeks out of the month. 1.00
00:54:47.840 Yeah. 1.00
00:54:48.040 So women can't go on hormonal birth control in this worldview because it makes them crazy. 1.00
00:54:53.720 But women in the course of their natural unmedicated menstrual cycles are, by the way, also crazy. 1.00
00:55:00.120 Ladies, just do not have any trust in your own epistemic authority or your own judgment or your own desires because they're wrong. 1.00
00:55:08.360 It's just your lady parts, right? 1.00
00:55:09.840 And this is what kind of drives me crazy about the appeal of this stuff is that it's like women are doing race science against themselves, right? 0.90
00:55:17.140 It's like they're looking to explain the vagaries of their own emotions, energy, mental health, cognition, personhood, not with like an inward look at their characters that might promote some kind of self-improvement or an outward look at their circumstances that might, you know, lead to some sort of political engagement. 0.87
00:55:39.800 but with this kind of like faux scientific gender essentialism
00:55:43.540 that deprives them of both individuality and also like responsibility.
00:55:47.640 It's saying, I can't be held responsible for my own life.
00:55:50.460 I am a victim of my hormones.
00:55:51.660 It's like, no, you're not.
00:55:52.320 You're an adult.
00:55:53.620 So where does this come from and what's going on here, right?
00:55:58.080 There's a Christian right ideology at play that posits that any intervention
00:56:02.760 medically in sexuality to like mediate or prevent conception is like sinful.
00:56:09.540 There's a eugenicist and racist ideology of purity.
00:56:13.880 There's a lot of emphasis in these videos about the impurity of hormonal birth control
00:56:19.760 and the purity of an unmediated body,
00:56:21.960 which I don't think needs to immediately lead you to like, 0.99
00:56:25.320 okay, we have to sterilize all the racial undesirables. 1.00
00:56:27.920 But it does make me think it's like, okay, well, if the best body, 1.00
00:56:30.780 if the morally best body is one that has no medications in it, 0.96
00:56:34.120 what do you think of like disabled people? 1.00
00:56:35.520 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:56:36.700 There's like the homeopathy tradition of opposition to like most medical interventions that I think is like getting stronger and stronger as our institutions of medical authority kind of collapse and lose all their credibility.
00:56:49.500 But then really, this is, I think, mostly about the ideology of heterosexuality and trying to like reverse engineer the body so that it is designed for like a socially constructed system about like what sex is and what it means.
00:57:06.200 And also, I think this stuff has a political utility, right?
00:57:10.560 Yeah.
00:57:10.760 You know, it started around the pandemic, but it really exploded post-Dobbs.
00:57:15.480 After Dobbs, yeah.
00:57:16.640 And now, you know, abortion is banned in most states, or very, very hard to get.
00:57:21.040 It's expensive.
00:57:21.920 There's longer wait times everywhere.
00:57:23.920 And the anti-choice movement isn't really stopping.
00:57:27.780 There's efforts to roll back contraception access for teens, for everybody, for, you know, insurance coverage.
00:57:34.680 there is a like a big birth rate and demographic panic.
00:57:38.720 Yeah. 1.00
00:57:39.120 Trying to encourage women to have more babies 0.99
00:57:41.240 and scolding the ones who aren't having enough. 1.00
00:57:44.060 And there's this like large scale diffuse
00:57:47.760 kind of cultural moment
00:57:49.120 consisting of a lot of different efforts
00:57:51.240 to like vindicate, prize and restore masculinity
00:57:54.580 and sort of apologize for 0.90
00:57:57.140 and reverse women's gains over the past century. 1.00
00:58:00.380 Yeah.
00:58:00.900 And that brings me back to Alex Clark. 1.00
00:58:03.460 She of Birth Control Will Make You Bisexual fame, who worked for Charlie Kirk before his death.
00:58:10.860 And she was asked about whether her anti-birth control messaging had anything to do with Turning Point's pronatalist message.
00:58:18.840 And Adrienne, I would like you to read what she said.
00:58:21.420 Ms. Clark insists that her anti-birth control discussions aren't connected to the pronatalist messaging of Turning Point USA or her boss there.
00:58:28.380 And that's, quote, 0.92
00:58:30.120 The Charlie Kirks of the world are out there being like, you need to have babies and get married younger.
00:58:35.080 Then you've got me, who works for him, saying you need to be questioning birth control.
00:58:39.060 They're totally unrelated. 0.98
00:58:40.260 All women in general should be questioning the pill. 1.00
00:58:42.560 Oh, wow.
00:58:44.560 I said, it's a nice restaurant you've got there.
00:58:47.180 It would be terrible if something happened to it.
00:58:48.900 And then my boss burned down their restaurant.
00:58:51.340 Who is to say whether these two things are part of the same project?
00:58:54.240 Nothing to do with one another.
00:58:55.560 I mean, I don't think you have to believe in a conspiracy to find this.
00:58:59.440 straining credulity just a tad.
00:59:01.820 Yeah, wow. 1.00
00:59:02.680 So ladies, you don't have to get pregnant. 1.00
00:59:05.080 You don't have to have a period if you don't want one. 1.00
00:59:07.300 You don't have to be a slave to your hormones
00:59:11.040 or think of yourself as somebody dictated 0.99
00:59:14.820 or destined by nature to be silly. 0.97
00:59:17.000 You can be a grownup 0.99
00:59:18.560 and you don't have to listen to these quacks on the internet. 0.98
00:59:21.980 And that's my spiel. 0.98
00:59:23.420 Beautiful. Thank you so much.
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