In Bed With The Right - August 25, 2026


Episode 150 [PATREON PREVIEW] -- The Politics of Plagiarism Hunting and the Death of Jason Arday

Episode 149 -- Carl Schmitt, Part 1 Episode 151 -- Jane Eyre

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00:00:00.000 This was somebody who was made into a symbol because these people disagree with the premise
00:00:06.100 of his research, which is that there are institutional biases preventing people from
00:00:11.400 fulfilling their true potential. They don't like that. They disagree with the premise that there
00:00:15.380 is unfairness in the systems that have benefited them because that undermines their own claims to
00:00:19.840 their own superiority. They don't like this notion that they would have to esteem somebody
00:00:27.380 who researches that question and believes in that question as their intellectual equal.
00:00:31.180 They don't like that.
00:00:32.160 They don't like the notion that they would have to esteem a black man as their intellectual equal
00:00:35.760 or as their professional equal.
00:00:37.860 And they wanted a righteous cover, frankly, a very flimsy one for those bigotries
00:00:43.780 and for those narcissistic gratifications and for those resentments.
00:00:46.520 That's what is happening here.
00:00:47.860 It's clear as day. 0.97
00:00:48.960 and they indulged that small, petty, hateful little masturbatory impulse 0.96
00:00:56.820 to the point that it killed this guy. 0.97
00:00:59.020 Yeah. 1.00
00:00:59.380 Fuck these people. 1.00
00:01:00.580 Fuck these people. 1.00
00:01:01.560 Fuck these people. 1.00
00:01:02.380 They have blood on their hands. 1.00
00:01:03.340 I hope they're fucking happy. 1.00
00:01:09.120 Hello, I'm Adrienne Dobb. 0.99
00:01:10.840 And I'm Moira Donaghan.
00:01:12.020 Whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right.
00:01:14.020 so adrian today we are here with a bit of an update to our old patreon episode on the politics
00:01:25.860 of plagiarism accusations with a kind of sad reflection on the case of jason our day yeah
00:01:33.360 we're not going to focus entirely on jason our day's case but a lot of people have reached out
00:01:38.500 to us as that case sort of worked its way through the public consciousness and following his
00:01:43.740 tragic death and we wanted to talk about this we'll try to be as delicate as possible but i do
00:01:49.560 think you know this should come with a number of trigger warnings if this is something that
00:01:54.460 you feel very close to and this is something that has you very upset which it has many people
00:02:00.300 maybe skip this one i i know that michael and peter over on if books could kill we're gonna
00:02:05.600 do an episode on this case as were we before jason already died and and i think they decided
00:02:12.900 not to do it is what michael told me i i think we're still okay using it as a case in point
00:02:20.200 at the same time i also realize that there's something kind of difficult about using you know
00:02:25.560 a human being who just died as a case in point at the same time i do think that the media this is
00:02:32.660 going to be a study not so much in like what did he do and is it right or wrong it's a study in the
00:02:37.280 attention economy around cases like this yeah and there it's really really important i think to do
00:02:44.120 a quick analysis because this keeps happening and it keeps working right i don't know if you saw
00:02:50.540 your own paper the guardian had a piece up where they sort of said like here's why we don't think
00:02:55.080 we fucked up right because like people were mad at the guardian they sure love issuing that kind
00:02:59.500 of statement i mean i will say like the jason r day case for those who have not been following 0.57
00:03:05.780 along really took over British media, especially over the past like six weeks or so.
00:03:12.600 It was a long, simmering degree of pointed suspicions, particularly coming from the right
00:03:19.020 at a sociology professor at Cambridge.
00:03:22.040 He was appointed in 2023 and he worked on race discrimination, particularly in education.
00:03:28.000 That was his background.
00:03:29.680 That was his research interest.
00:03:31.000 And that was what the University of Cambridge brought him on to research and to teach, was about how racism functions in educational institutions and how it shapes educational experiences.
00:03:45.320 This is something that these people don't think anybody should be paying attention to or funding.
00:03:51.420 And it is also a person who they don't think should be a Cambridge University professor.
00:03:55.980 Jason Arday was, I believe he's a son of immigrants.
00:03:59.120 His parents were from Ghana.
00:04:00.140 Yeah. And he grew up in Clapham, like working class, South London, one of a whole bunch of siblings and had kind of a circuitous route to academia through like professional schools.
00:04:14.120 And my understanding was he was like an athlete and like a physical education teacher of various forms and found his way into the sociology of education through like teaching sports.
00:04:26.020 and he was appointed to be a professor of sociology at Cambridge in 2023.
00:04:32.900 I believe there's been fewer than 10 black full professors at Cambridge,
00:04:36.660 which is fully a thousand-year-old institution, right? 1.00
00:04:38.920 Yeah, keep that in mind if people tell you that wokeness has taken over Cambridge 1.00
00:04:42.280 and that's why they hired this guy. 0.96
00:04:44.380 I don't know where wokeness would begin, but it would be after 10, I would think.
00:04:47.500 So there was a sort of air of suspicion around this guy.
00:04:52.960 He was targeted for like inquiry and scrutiny by some right-wing journalists and academics.
00:05:00.560 There does seem to have been a bit of a there there, I got to say.
00:05:03.580 Like this is not an episode that's going to try and posthumously exonerate just in our day from like all accusations of wrongdoing.
00:05:10.760 I don't think that's really the point.
00:05:11.800 But what happened was a former Cambridge University postdoctoral fellow and, like, really committed advocate of race science, an American guy named Nathan Kofnes, decided to sort of, like, revive this controversy after Arday had already been, like, investigated and cleared on these, like, previous plagiarism charges.
00:05:36.540 And he revived it on his substack, where else?
00:05:39.780 And what followed was a demonstration by the British media that was like animalistic and savage.
00:05:49.880 And it was interesting to me that the guy who instigated this media feeding frenzy in the UK around Jason Arday was an American who's a white American. 0.90
00:06:00.980 He goes by the name Kofnas, C-O-F-N-A-S.
00:06:03.460 His real last name is Rob, R-O-B-B.
00:06:05.920 Oh, I didn't know that.
00:06:06.580 Yeah, he changed his last name, which is interesting for a guy who just made a big fuss about how somebody else misrepresented their past.
00:06:13.540 He's like working under a name that's not his.
00:06:16.100 But Nathan Kofnesne Rob decided to start this feeding frenzy and he really imported some American racism into the British context and had the British take it up with, you know, the enthusiasm and zeal as if they were born to it.
00:06:30.660 And the media scrutiny around Jason Arday and the rapidly congealed media consensus in the UK that this guy was a fraud and a lightweight and he never should have been appointed. 0.61
00:06:46.140 And he was a example of not only wokeness run amok, but really in Kofnus' terms of like the intellectual inferiority of black people writ large really reached a crescendo pitch. 0.79
00:06:57.880 It did not stop after Kofnes succeeded in enforcing our day to resign about two weeks ago. 0.94
00:07:04.340 And our day died evidently by suicide in London just a couple of days before we recorded this. 0.65
00:07:10.060 So they hounded this man literally to death.
00:07:13.260 Yeah, I think it's important to note here that there's two things.
00:07:16.580 There's the claim that this guy specifically didn't deserve the job he had.
00:07:21.380 And I think people can make up their own minds. 0.95
00:07:24.120 We're going to try and lay out some of what came up in the reporting, but that's definitely a case one could make.
00:07:30.760 I don't know if he should have been fired or whatever, but as you say, there's a there there.
00:07:34.420 But it's remarkable and really troubling to what extent it always becomes a verdict not on maybe Cambridge is trying to whitewash its own racist past and doesn't really care how to do it, right?
00:07:50.140 Didn't vet this person carefully enough, which is a question one could raise. 0.60
00:07:54.120 No, it became about the suitability of non-white Britons
00:07:58.800 for being at a place like Cambridge or Oxford. 0.56
00:08:01.660 And it became about his type of research being somehow illegitimate.
00:08:07.620 Yeah.
00:08:07.940 The kinds of questions that he was famously asking not being worth raising.
00:08:11.860 And we'll talk about why I think that that's particularly galling,
00:08:16.180 particularly dangerous.
00:08:18.040 But yeah, let's maybe talk a little bit about these plagiarism allegations.
00:08:21.520 So in 2023, a retired professor accused Arday of lifting parts of a 2018 article.
00:08:30.480 Arday's CV is not massive.
00:08:32.420 It's also a kind of a strange CV, some of which might be owed to the field, but it kind of mixes the memoiristic and just plain research papers.
00:08:43.640 Yeah, he did a lot of what is sometimes termed autoethnography.
00:08:47.220 Yeah.
00:08:47.540 That seemed to be his preferred methodology.
00:08:49.560 I think that's fairly common in the sociology of education, and it's also, of course, something that like a sort of standpoint epistemology would recommend, that you don't sort of come into a classroom presuming to know better than everyone else, but rather you sort of put yourself in the position of the different actors in that space.
00:09:07.920 I think that's fairly accepted there.
00:09:09.760 That can both be a defense of him, but it also, I think, means that some of his more essayistic writing is a legitimate object for scrutiny of his academic record.
00:09:19.260 Now, I looked at the accusations.
00:09:22.140 They're a little hard to retrace because the journal that published his article
00:09:25.580 ended up amending it and uploading an edited PDF, so it's a little hard to tell.
00:09:30.480 Some of the stuff that I've identified in the contemporaneous discussions around this article
00:09:35.180 is the stuff that you find when you run text through plagiarism software,
00:09:39.500 which we've talked about before on this podcast.
00:09:43.500 It's one of those things that tends to come up with positives.
00:09:46.220 It's often a way of, as in the case of Claudine Gay, catching sort of canned language or, you know, someone who is not maybe the most natural writer and therefore falls back on received tropes and that kind of stuff.
00:10:00.200 And there's some of that here.
00:10:02.380 But some of the allegations, as far as I can tell, concerned statements made by subjects in a study.
00:10:08.800 And this is where things get a little bit hairy.
00:10:11.440 Because that's bad for a couple of reasons, as you can imagine, right?
00:10:14.360 First off, it's hard to do inadvertently, right?
00:10:18.060 Accidentally reusing a phrase that you've heard somewhere, like we've talked about it.
00:10:22.320 Like that's the fear of every writer, but it's also the reason we're afraid of it is because it's freaking easy.
00:10:27.580 Once you've sat down with someone for two hours and transcribed their words, I don't quite see how someone else's discourse would slip into that, right?
00:10:35.760 Hard to say.
00:10:36.520 Wait, can you just tease out for me a little bit about like the exact nature of the accusation here?
00:10:41.480 Or is it the notion that like, okay, he's attributing quotes to sources that he, you know, nominally did interviews with that actually come from other people's interviews with other sources?
00:10:52.340 Well, it's unclear, right?
00:10:53.780 Like, as so often with these kinds of accusations, there is a likely scenario, but no one wants to spell it out because it could be any range of things.
00:11:03.240 But what happens is that some of the phrases that this retired professor highlighted in this 2018 article about, I think, mostly black youth and their relationship to mental health professionals had appeared in another article.
00:11:19.220 So it's not in someone else's data set, but in someone's article.
00:11:22.260 Okay.
00:11:22.900 It's not unimaginable, but it's not obvious to me how that would happen.
00:11:27.440 Whereas something like a citation mistake or like some kind of canned phrasing in like a literature review section, which are also among the accusations, like that stuff is easy to imagine happening by accident.
00:11:38.040 But you're saying that there's things in here that seem like, yeah, this was stolen work.
00:11:43.360 So this kind of lifting would make the data useless, right?
00:11:47.640 If people want to draw on his work, if my data is good, but I lift, as you say, a couple of paragraphs at the beginning about the historical circumstances of my data collection or whatever, that's not good.
00:12:02.900 You shouldn't have done that.
00:12:04.000 But at least the data is still good.
00:12:05.620 The underlying data is useful and it's novel and it's substantive.
00:12:10.160 And that doesn't seem to be the case here, at least if this allegation is true.
00:12:14.160 The third is, and this is where we get into the fabulous territory,
00:12:17.380 is that these papers have a methods section,
00:12:20.520 meaning the researcher lays out how they gathered this data.
00:12:23.680 That would have to be a full-on lie.
00:12:26.460 He made changes to the methods section in the new version that's gone up,
00:12:30.780 but it doesn't mention using other people's qualitative data.
00:12:35.040 But the final reason, and I think this is what's really important,
00:12:38.200 and the fourth reason why I think this is really troubling,
00:12:40.700 is it's disrespectful to the other researchers, right?
00:12:44.260 Someone did take the trouble to talk to young people of color in England
00:12:47.300 about their relationship to mental health professionals, right?
00:12:49.920 It's hard work, and basically taking that work is not great.
00:12:53.820 At the same time, I want to ring that bell faintly for people.
00:12:57.240 You know, obviously, Jason Arday is the main victim here,
00:13:00.220 but at the same time, I also want to point out that, like,
00:13:02.960 his shoddy work, his fabrications,
00:13:06.220 then were used to impugn the work of the field as a whole.
00:13:10.120 So these poor folks who actually did go into trouble to interview young people and put that in their article now get to not only have been ripped off by another researcher, but they get told that like their field's not real, right, because of what he did.
00:13:26.640 Yeah, you know, this is something I think a lot about in conservative thought is like the mistaking of a particular instance, like willful opportunistic mistaking of a particular instance for a general rule, right?
00:13:39.000 These are people who, at least nominally, many on the right adhere to an understanding of the world in which collective identities and the large-scale forces of history have been granted far too much weight in our judgments.
00:13:54.700 And what we need to really do is return to assessments of individual character and individual capacity and judge one another and ourselves on those terms rather than, you know, as products of history.
00:14:06.520 That's not what they do with their enemies, right? What they do with their enemies is one bad sociology paper means all sociologists are, you know, charlatans and hacks. One black person who is making mistakes or telling lies means that all black people are necessarily stealing any good idea that they might seem to have, right?
00:14:28.740 It means that any black person's accomplishment or prestige is somehow like false or stolen because all black people are characterized or like sort of tarred with the feather of this particular black person. 0.99
00:14:41.700 You know, they do this with like, you know, women like, oh, you want a woman to be president? 0.99
00:14:46.740 Well, what about Margaret Thatcher? 0.98
00:14:47.980 Right.
00:14:48.220 It's like you want a man to be president. 0.94
00:14:49.560 What about Pol Pot? 0.76
00:14:50.580 This doesn't go the other way.
00:14:52.180 Right.
00:14:52.500 Right.
00:14:52.760 It's a it's a tension here.
00:14:54.200 I think that does get resolved in the world view of somebody like Kofnus, who very much believes that races are biological realities that confer like a hierarchically organized series of intellectual gifts, right? 0.99
00:15:08.900 Nathan Kofnus does indeed believe that Jason Arday was stupid because he was black and was dishonest because he was black. 1.00
00:15:14.680 And then all black people are some version of stupid and dishonest, right? 1.00
00:15:17.240 He has like said as much on his sub stack. 1.00
00:15:19.160 And that is like a resolution, right?
00:15:21.040 But it also sort of, like, annihilates their claims, their own, like, personal claims to, like, individual merit.
00:15:26.260 Exactly.
00:15:27.020 And it's really interesting to think about, I mean, Kofnes, as you say, has been explicit about this.
00:15:31.600 But even David Harris, the person who first brought attention to this particular article, frames it in really interesting ways.
00:15:37.780 The Retraction Watch, which does a lot of this kind of, like, muckraking investigation of papers in academia, which has an interesting kind of political bent, although it's not sort of straightforwardly conservative.
00:15:49.220 I bet it is.
00:15:49.880 I don't know.
00:15:51.500 Who knows?
00:15:52.260 Like when people talk about fire, they're like, they're not straightforwardly conservative.
00:15:55.680 I'm like, oh, it feels like they put a lot of their funding into like taking down sociologists
00:16:00.860 and, you know, supporting male students who are accused of raping their classmates.
00:16:07.280 You know, it's just like, I'm like, eh, they're not.
00:16:09.640 Like, it's like when somebody says they're apolitical on a dating site, that means Republican.
00:16:13.660 That means they're on the right.
00:16:16.000 Possibly. Your words, not mine.
00:16:17.280 But yeah, so this emeritus professor, David Harris, tells Retraction Watch in their big article about the kind of saga of this article.
00:16:26.220 This 2018 Jason Arday article.
00:16:28.040 Yeah, which got published, challenged, and then republished with serious emendation that, as far as I can tell, having looked over the thing yesterday, really don't fix the issues that were first raised.
00:16:39.220 But here's what Harris tells Retraction Watch, quote,
00:16:42.100 Okay, so that's this guy just saying people who work on these bullshit inequality, like social justice warrior disciplines, can't hack it because they're my inferiors. 0.89
00:17:03.100 And that's why, you know, all of this work is bad. 0.96
00:17:06.340 This whole field is thereby tarred with the Jason Arday brush.
00:17:10.240 Yeah, I also, like, it's funny, like, I think he means special issues, not special editions, but like, whatever, I guess we're just done with precision.
00:17:17.600 As a member of the master race, he does not have to get his phrasing right.
00:17:21.220 Yeah, yeah. 0.50
00:17:22.520 This kind of says that this work was never serious to begin with.
00:17:26.800 And again, someone did talk to these young people and the findings are interesting, right?
00:17:31.860 It's just that the person doesn't appear to have been our day, but rather Anjum Memon, Katie Taylor, Lisa Moibati, Josephine Sundin, Max Cooper, Thomas Scanlon, and Richard DeVisier.
00:17:42.980 So the zooming out, like what does this guy mean, starts really early on.
00:17:47.760 And that's where I think the sort of the media story here becomes far more important than whether or not this guy, quote unquote, deserved to have this job, what should have happened to him.
00:17:58.600 It would have been for a university committee to decide before everyone decided to make him a stand-in for, yeah, for this, often devoted to activist issues like racial inequality.
00:18:10.660 Yeah, no, they took this guy who was in a social science discipline that was considered woke, who was young, who was black, and they made him a symbol of all of the disturbed social hierarchies that they were trying to reaffirm, right?
00:18:26.420 They made him into a symbol of racial justice struggles, gender justice struggles, disability justice struggles. 0.58
00:18:33.780 They made him into a symbol of all this shit that they find annoying and that they suspect, I think correctly, threatens their own status and their own monopoly on epistemic authority and, you know, power within these credentialing institutions.
00:18:50.060 All right, folks, I think that's going to be it for the publicly accessible part of this episode. 0.82
00:18:56.220 I'm sorry, it's kind of short today.
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