In Bed With The Right - September 03, 2026


Episode 151 -- Jane Eyre

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00:00:00.000 Hello, I'm Adrienne Dobb.
00:00:06.740 And I'm Moira Donegan.
00:00:07.920 And whether we like it or not, we married him.
00:00:14.060 That is a good opening, Adrienne, because today we are talking about a little book you
00:00:20.140 might have heard of, you may hate, you may have been assigned and sort of half-read in
00:00:26.900 a survey course in college.
00:00:29.160 Today we are talking about Jane Eyre.
00:00:31.700 That's right.
00:00:32.320 Adrian, what do you know about Jane Eyre?
00:00:33.920 I was indeed assigned Jane Eyre in my Victorian lit class.
00:00:37.860 Shout out to Carolyn Lesjack.
00:00:39.520 I read it.
00:00:41.060 My knowledge of the beginning of Victorian literature is a lot more robust because it wasn't summer when we started.
00:00:48.620 So I feel like I'm on more solid footing in Jane Eyre than I am in Daniel de Ronda.
00:00:53.220 I'll say that.
00:00:53.760 But yeah, you know, we're returning to the world of the Brontes, to the vicarage, as it were.
00:00:59.440 It's older than Wuthering Heights, correct?
00:01:01.820 By like two to three years.
00:01:03.260 Just a couple of years.
00:01:04.020 Yeah.
00:01:04.340 Yeah.
00:01:04.620 So Jane Eyre was published in 1847 by one Kerr Bell.
00:01:09.840 Yeah.
00:01:10.240 Which, of course, was the nom de plume of author Charlotte Bronte, one of the Bronte sisters.
00:01:17.960 So I've got Jane Eyre on the brain a lot lately.
00:01:20.600 The Brontes have been on my mind really for a couple months since we did our episode on Wuthering Heights, and that one was pegged to the Emerald Fennell movie adaptation.
00:01:32.120 Wuthering Heights was, of course, the only novel published by Charlotte Bronte's sister, Emily Bronte.
00:01:36.760 They are very different books, Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre, although they do share some themes.
00:01:42.900 an unnerving sexuality a sense of gothic ominousness interesting and like qualified
00:01:51.500 critiques of imperialism all of those are in both of these books and I think they are similar books
00:01:56.700 in that they kind of like resist movie adaptations Jane Eyre is a book that directors
00:02:04.440 really want to make about a pretty woman and all these like wan but gorgeous models get cast as
00:02:12.000 Jane, and that's really not the Jane of the novel who is like sort of pointedly plain, right?
00:02:16.720 Hashtag not my Jane.
00:02:17.840 Not my Jane. But more recently, I got asked to be, quote unquote, in conversation about Jane Eyre
00:02:23.860 with my friend Jessica of Womb House Books for a transcribed discussion that will be included in
00:02:31.400 a forthcoming edition of Jane Eyre in the UK. And that was kind of a critical conversation. I thought
00:02:35.900 I really wanted to like dig in and look at the place of this book in literary history and history
00:02:41.980 of, like, feminist novels, in histories of, like, women's confrontations with imperialism,
00:02:50.160 and I thought we could do a little more of a deep dive here on Lovely in Bed with the Right.
00:02:56.540 I'm excited. People should check out our Withering Heights episode. I don't know what you have planned
00:03:00.780 for me here, but am I right to remember that whereas Withering Heights' connection to the
00:03:08.660 Bronte's actual lives is somewhat more attenuated. In Jane Eyre, you really pick up on characters
00:03:14.620 and you're like, oh, that is what happened to them at boarding school. That is what happened
00:03:19.700 with Branwell Bronte. Yeah, you know, this is a subject of a lot of critical and scholarly debate
00:03:25.380 over Charlotte Bronte's life, but she does seem to have really taken something like Lowood,
00:03:32.520 which is a school for impoverished girls that Jane Eyre winds up going to early in her life,
00:03:38.360 from the clergy daughter school, a boarding school to which Charlotte and her sisters were sent, which she found really miserable.
00:03:46.560 Yeah, which killed two of them.
00:03:48.140 Right. Two of the initially five Bronte sisters died. 0.99
00:03:54.180 So Charlotte's two older sisters died at this boarding school.
00:03:58.060 And the boarding school is sort of depicted and somewhat parodied in really miserable terms.
00:04:03.260 I think if there's one thing people remember from those survey courses that they took in college or in high school where they were assigned to Jane Eyre, if you've forgotten everything, you'll remember the burnt porridge at Lowood, you know, Jane Eyre just having like no food.
00:04:19.420 But this is also a book that departs from Charlotte Bronte's life in some interesting ways, not only the ending, where, you know, Jane Eyre, famously reader I married him, achieves what is to her a happy ending.
00:04:32.880 I have notes. But, you know, Charlotte Bronte's own matrimonial fate was, you know, shall we say, more ambivalent.
00:04:43.280 She got married towards the very end of her life to a guy who was not very nice to her and who she didn't seem to especially like.
00:04:49.420 So I read Jane Eyre this summer for the second time, but I read it originally in my teens.
00:05:00.540 And Adrienne, I don't know if I've ever told you this story, but when I was in high school,
00:05:06.500 when I graduated high school, the two beloved English teachers, like every American public
00:05:12.380 school child, I have a beloved English teacher. There were actually two of them. And they took
00:05:18.180 some of their favorite students and gifted them copies of novels that were supposed to be
00:05:23.420 significant to that student. It was a really nice gesture. Yeah, it's lovely. And I was given a copy
00:05:29.980 of Jane Eyre. Wow. Upon my graduation by these people who were like, this is what you should
00:05:34.560 read. This is the book that is most aligned to what we consider, you know, your emerging character
00:05:41.020 and your likely fate. And that pissed me the fuck off, actually. I did not take this as a 0.57
00:05:47.720 compliment. Yeah, I'm sort of with high school Moira here. That feels like an odd one. This is
00:05:53.560 a book about what happens to women who can't quite hack it in the sort of avenues for status
00:06:05.360 and stability that are available to women in her world, right? So like, you know, Jane is ugly. 1.00
00:06:10.980 She doesn't have any money. She's actually at some points pointed out as like not especially smart. 1.00
00:06:16.520 She is described repeatedly by herself and by extension by Charlotte Bronte as poor, obscure, plain, and little, right?
00:06:26.380 You know, it's interesting that you mentioned, Adrienne, the sort of parallels to Charlotte Bronte's own life.
00:06:31.480 Charlotte Bronte sort of couldn't hack it in the avenues that were available to her, even though she was desperately trying to.
00:06:37.300 She was not a pretty girl, not a charming girl, a girl with exceptional intellectual gifts, but not a lot of sort of avenues to make those work for her.
00:06:50.240 She had some like really deeply felt professional disappointments as a writer in her lifetime.
00:06:55.340 And she clearly understood herself as sort of like outside these metrics of female accomplishment and female desirability, right?
00:07:02.540 Also, it's a very close first person in Jane Eyre, by which I mean it's like the first person narration in Jane Eyre is not the kind of first person where the reader maintains enough distance from the narrator character to see when they're being a little unreliable or deluding themselves or making a wrong choice.
00:07:25.240 the reader is very loyal to Jane's perspective
00:07:29.440 and there's not a lot of breathing room
00:07:31.580 to see outside of Jane's perspective in Jane Eyre.
00:07:34.300 This was a critique that Virginia Woolf had of the novel.
00:07:36.540 She found the closeness of the first person
00:07:39.780 kind of suffocating.
00:07:41.260 So I felt like my English users were really telling me 0.75
00:07:43.180 that I was like kind of ugly
00:07:44.560 and like not gonna like make it.
00:07:47.960 I have to say that that's what makes this whole exercise
00:07:50.540 both charming and really tricky.
00:07:54.120 Dude, it was psychological warfare in that English classroom. 0.68
00:07:57.720 Like, you get, like, a copy of, like, the Alexandria Quartet or, like, Nightwood, and you're like, what the fuck does this mean? 0.93
00:08:05.040 Or, like, depending on which Faulkner title, you're like, oh, my God. 0.53
00:08:08.400 Yeah.
00:08:09.500 There were some crises to be had, and then I, you know, like, nothing really happened to redeem this except that I got old enough to, like, accept my own limitations as a person
00:08:19.620 and have a broad enough perspective that, like, the judgments of my high school English teachers didn't mean as much to me.
00:08:24.700 But, yeah, I was like, what the hell, guys?
00:08:27.200 Yeah.
00:08:27.480 It's like, it's a story about a judgmental, charmless girl who is eventually redeemed by getting married.
00:08:34.380 You're like, I'm not even getting the tenant of Wildfell Hall. 1.00
00:08:36.680 What the fuck is this? 0.99
00:08:38.780 But, like, I read this book that summer, and I think maybe because I was so defensive as, like, an 18-year-old, 0.99
00:08:47.700 And maybe because I just didn't quite have the intellectual capacity yet to, like, handle a complicated novel that has a lot of doubling and, like, sort of subterranean messages in it.
00:09:01.640 I just wasn't a good enough reader yet.
00:09:03.320 I didn't get it, right?
00:09:04.840 I didn't really like Jane Eyre when I read it. 0.95
00:09:07.040 I was sort of more interested to read it this summer, but I wasn't expecting what happened, which is that I fucking love this book.
00:09:13.380 So, like, I really hope that if you've ever had this kind of experience where you read a classic book when you were young or in school or something and you didn't love it, I really hope that you go back and look at that book again. 0.98
00:09:26.180 Because I'm, like, so, so glad that I reread Jay Nair as a mature adult because this shit is amazing. 0.94
00:09:31.720 I was, like, blown away by this book. 0.99
00:09:33.540 Yes.
00:09:33.840 Shout out to rereading.
00:09:35.220 One of my favorite practices.
00:09:37.000 Especially, like, with a fully formed prefrontal cortex, you know what I mean?
00:09:40.580 Read with the perspective of adulthood.
00:09:42.300 read with the information that you've gained in adulthood,
00:09:44.920 read with the cognitive capacities in adulthood.
00:09:46.860 I'm just, there's things I was better at at 18,
00:09:50.120 but reading was not one of them.
00:09:51.220 I'm smarter now.
00:09:52.680 I'm just like furiously checking
00:09:53.760 whether my prefrontal cortex is fully developed.
00:09:56.200 I don't know.
00:09:58.520 Not yet, Adrian, give it a few years.
00:10:00.460 I know, I'm getting there.
00:10:02.480 A lot of impulse control problems.
00:10:05.300 And so here it might actually do us a bit of good
00:10:07.260 to like gloss some of Charlotte Bronte's biography
00:10:09.620 because it does, as you said, Adrian,
00:10:11.880 and form a lot of interpretations of the novel.
00:10:15.340 So she was born, of course, at Howarth Parsonage in Yorkshire
00:10:18.640 and part of what is now a famous family,
00:10:22.080 what at the time was kind of a hardscrabble family.
00:10:24.380 The Brontes are not exactly like embarrassed gentry
00:10:29.340 the way like Jane Austen's family was.
00:10:31.540 Her father, famously a parson,
00:10:34.360 was the son of like a really poor Irish farmer
00:10:37.060 who had worked his way up into a modest
00:10:41.200 but somewhat dignified role in the clergy through, like, an intense investment in education.
00:10:47.460 I didn't know this, but her father actually opened a school at the age of 16.
00:10:52.500 Wow. Speaking of undeveloped frontal courtesies, yes.
00:10:56.500 And, like, crucially, her father did not forbid any books to his children.
00:11:01.880 He was not evidently or reportedly an especially warm guy.
00:11:05.380 There is a sort of like coldness and sort of morbidity to accounts of like this deprived, emotionally austere Yorkshire childhood that is a marked quality of a lot of accounts of the Howard Parsonage in their early lives.
00:11:21.780 But the children were allowed to read basically whatever they wanted, and they did.
00:11:27.240 They read adult books from a very young age.
00:11:30.540 So Charlotte, as we mentioned, was one of six children, five daughters and one son.
00:11:39.280 And those two older sisters died before reaching adulthood.
00:11:44.000 And so did Charlotte's mother.
00:11:46.100 Her mother died when she was quite small.
00:11:48.300 So her mother dies when she's very small.
00:11:50.720 Then her two older sisters die as children when they are all sent to this like ill-resourced charity boarding school for the daughters of clergy.
00:11:59.740 And then she has one older brother, Branwell, who was an opium addict and a drunk and who wasted his own artistic potential and like, frankly, like a lot of the family's money.
00:12:12.100 Yeah. Washed out of art school and didn't have the guts to tell his family.
00:12:15.520 And so they kind of kept paying the bills.
00:12:17.680 Is that what happened?
00:12:18.720 Apparently he never even went to art school.
00:12:20.480 He told them he was going to art school and then just sort of like drank himself into a stupor in London until he couldn't pay his debts anymore.
00:12:27.920 So a guy who had these, like, desires to be creative had a sense of, like, the importance of artistic exertion to the intellect and to the soul, but could not bring himself to, like, confront the challenge that his own, you know, sense of a calling posed.
00:12:43.880 So one thing that happened is that, you know, Charlotte and her sisters are writing. They are writing from a very young age. They are in particular writing about a fantasy world or a fantasy country they called Angria.
00:13:00.500 And they are concealing their productions and eventually their publication from their brother Branwell, who never knows.
00:13:07.580 He dies as an adult, but quite young.
00:13:09.660 I believe he was like 31 or something.
00:13:12.120 And until he dies, he does not know that his sisters have published.
00:13:16.020 But do you want to dwell a little on the angry and juvenilia?
00:13:20.280 Adrian, what do you know about this, if anything?
00:13:22.560 Just that it's a shared fictional world.
00:13:24.680 I actually think that's all I remember.
00:13:26.400 This is actually fascinating because it's not a shared fictional world.
00:13:31.120 It is a shared fictional colony.
00:13:33.900 Oh.
00:13:34.240 So when they are children, the Bronte's father gives them a couple of these like toy soldiers,
00:13:41.600 like little G.I. Joe style figurines made of tin or something.
00:13:45.940 And the Bronte children who are growing up in like 1810s, 1820s Yorkshire,
00:13:52.420 Imagine these toy soldiers doing what the real British soldiers were doing at the time,
00:13:57.140 just colonizing Africa.
00:13:59.380 Wow.
00:13:59.760 So Angria is not just a fantasy world.
00:14:02.840 It's a fantasy country in Africa that is, in their imagination, 0.57
00:14:08.540 populated by the descendants of their toy soldiers, right?
00:14:11.680 So their toy soldiers go, they conquer this land. 1.00
00:14:14.040 And their toy soldiers fuck. 1.00
00:14:15.720 The toy soldiers have descendants who populate Angria. 0.99
00:14:19.240 And Angria is a place of, like, great epic struggle of particularly, like, Byronic heroes who have this edge of darkness and passion to them that defies social mores.
00:14:31.980 Those are, like, typical figures of the Angrian stories.
00:14:35.540 They are a world that is in sort of obtuse reference to the political realities of the Brontes' time, but are sort of filtered through the distorting and difference-making texture of a child's imagination, right?
00:14:53.660 And of the Brontes, the person who is most invested in the Angrian fantasy is Charlotte.
00:15:01.640 She spends the most time on it.
00:15:03.240 She, and Branwell in particular, really spend a lot of time writing and imagining this place together.
00:15:08.420 Come you back, you British soldiers, come you back to Angria.
00:15:12.820 And when Charlotte is 21, there's an entry in her diary where she talks about how she's going to stop writing the Angrian stories.
00:15:22.220 And it's actually very sad.
00:15:23.220 She's like, oh, I'm going to miss my friends.
00:15:24.840 I have to leave my friends behind.
00:15:26.600 Wow.
00:15:26.940 But she makes a decision to sort of mature as an artist and as a writer.
00:15:32.600 and to move out of this juvenilia into more serious adult work.
00:15:38.840 And that is kind of typical of Charlotte,
00:15:40.760 like making this resolved effort to try and do things
00:15:44.840 in what she imagines is the right way.
00:15:48.120 So after the death of their two older sisters
00:15:51.260 and eventually their brother Branwell,
00:15:53.400 Charlotte is the oldest of the three surviving sisters,
00:15:57.080 the women we refer to as the Brontes collectively,
00:15:59.560 which is really Charlotte, Emily, and Anne.
00:16:02.060 And she seems to have kind of been the leader.
00:16:05.440 She was definitely the most pragmatic.
00:16:07.240 She was the most determined.
00:16:09.020 She was the most interested in publication.
00:16:12.040 She seems to have esteemed herself as sort of the moral and like literary judge of value among the sisters, right?
00:16:19.340 So like she has, I think we talked about in our Wuthering Heights episode, Charlotte's introduction to the 1851 edition of Wuthering Heights.
00:16:26.560 Right.
00:16:26.820 Where she talks about it as kind of like a morally dubious novel.
00:16:29.380 Yeah, she's, like, not hot on it at all.
00:16:31.540 Yeah.
00:16:31.680 She likes it, but she has, like, serious qualms. 0.73
00:16:35.120 Yeah, yeah.
00:16:35.680 She's like, I'm not sure it's wise to create characters such as Heathcliff, right?
00:16:39.360 On the other hand, she seems to have been really kind of blown away by the quality of Emily's poetry.
00:16:45.740 And so it is Charlotte who, through these, like, Herculean acts of will, convinces the sisters to pursue publication.
00:16:56.320 So the three of them together, basically through Charlotte's like furious intervention, wind up publishing a book of poetry, a sort of poetry collection by Kerr Ellis and Acton Bell.
00:17:10.700 This sells, this poetry collection that they publish, this sells two copies.
00:17:15.660 Whoa.
00:17:16.440 One and two.
00:17:18.040 Two copies.
00:17:18.780 Those are Thomas Chatterton Williams numbers.
00:17:22.560 This is like, you know, we've all heard about the decline of literacy.
00:17:26.320 Book sale numbers do tend to be low.
00:17:29.980 This is especially low.
00:17:31.980 It's a humiliation.
00:17:33.380 But Charlotte has this kind of like salesman quality to it, right?
00:17:36.640 When she sends out three of their novels,
00:17:39.680 I think she sends out her first fiction work, The Professor.
00:17:44.160 She sends out Wuthering Heights.
00:17:45.740 And she sends out Anne Bronte's novel Agnes Gray all at once to a publisher.
00:17:51.180 She's like, you know, we are published as poets, us three brothers.
00:17:54.740 oh that's smart which I kind of like yeah yeah hard sell from Charlotte right she's spinning
00:18:01.160 this abject commercial failure of their poetry book into an asset and like a line on their 1.00
00:18:07.160 resume right but this is something she had to do through like real hard scrabble elbow grease 0.82
00:18:14.900 determination because this family did not have money and these girls did not apparently have 0.69
00:18:21.720 good looks they don't seem to have been like that nice like if we're taking Jane Eyre as a sort of
00:18:29.840 self-portrait of the character of Charlotte Bronte which I think we can do with some you know 0.97
00:18:34.560 qualifications like Jane is a little bit of a cunt I'm saying this with great love and affection 0.99
00:18:38.600 she's mean she's judgmental she's severe she's like not polite she has a temper and can be like 1.00
00:18:47.140 a little bit sarcastic.
00:18:48.700 It's part of why I like her.
00:18:50.480 But this is not somebody
00:18:52.060 who's like a big charmer, right?
00:18:53.420 And it doesn't seem
00:18:53.940 that Charlotte was as well.
00:18:55.700 All of which is to say
00:18:56.560 these are not women
00:18:57.640 who are going to be rescued by marriage. 1.00
00:18:58.960 They're not going to like charm their way
00:19:00.400 into a rich man's life
00:19:01.940 the way you can imagine
00:19:03.260 like a Jane Austen narrator doing.
00:19:06.140 This is somebody who's going to have 0.98
00:19:07.180 to make her own way in the world
00:19:08.260 in a time when that's very, 0.99
00:19:10.060 very difficult for women to do.
00:19:11.620 The options are few.
00:19:13.460 Am I right to remember 0.99
00:19:14.160 that her kind of take-charge attitude
00:19:17.720 when it came to her siblings' literary production,
00:19:20.800 like it had a productive element
00:19:22.000 and had a suppressive element, right?
00:19:23.420 So like Wuthering Heights,
00:19:24.280 she puts out with that additional introduction.
00:19:27.020 But I've heard that The Tenet of Wildfell Hall,
00:19:29.860 which is Anne's big book,
00:19:32.360 clearly like people think it kind of has suffered
00:19:34.880 in its standing in the canon
00:19:37.140 by the fact that she's sort of withheld it
00:19:39.780 after Anne's death.
00:19:40.620 Is that correct?
00:19:41.460 I didn't know that.
00:19:42.480 I never heard that.
00:19:43.120 I mean, I don't know what's to it, but like I remember reading this in the critical edition of Tenant where there's some sense that after their deaths, she became a literary executor and it was not just, she was not a promoter only. 0.85
00:19:56.280 She was a shaper, right?
00:19:57.880 And that meant there were things she withheld or under-accentuated or only let out the door with, you know, her emendations, basically. 0.92
00:20:08.180 Yeah, you know, I think we can see her sense of leadership in the family as both the way Charlotte seems to have seen it, which is as this like long-suffering pragmatist trying to stop these people from, you know, doing things that are not appropriate or not in their interests.
00:20:24.480 And also as sort of somebody who's intervening in the preferred courses of action, we might say, of other people, right?
00:20:33.420 It's the double-edged sword of leadership.
00:20:35.020 There's both the burden and the imposition.
00:20:38.180 So if you are in the first half of the 19th century in England, a kind of like cerebral, charmless girl without any money, there is basically exactly one profession available to you.
00:20:52.860 Governess.
00:20:53.780 The governess.
00:20:55.020 The governess was a class of employee that we don't really have anymore, right?
00:21:00.780 And I say employee, but that's kind of an ambivalent qualification for the governess.
00:21:05.740 The governess was paid. She was a live-in part of a wealthy household who acted as a private tutor and educator, sort of both academically but also like morally, for the children of wealthy families.
00:21:22.880 So she was like a little bit childcare, a little bit education, a little bit sort of like finishing school, especially for girls.
00:21:29.780 She was usually a young, unmarried woman, and she was of really ambivalent status, where she was given sort of more status, more authority, more respect than other servants, but not as much as members of the household.
00:21:46.520 Yeah. I'm sorry, I have to laugh a little bit because Moira is saying all that living like only blocks away from Dolores Park. I would encourage you to find out why there are so many surly, very young Italian women pushing those children on the swing sets. That's called an au pair, Moira, and they're all around you.
00:22:02.440 Yeah, it's the same thing. It's the same thing, right? These young women of ambivalent status brought in as like childcare and they're proximate to the family, but they are not members of the family, right?
00:22:14.340 Yeah. Nor are they straightforwardly like service providers. They're often underpaid because it's supposed to sort of like also give them a boost in status, again, like an au pair, right, who's ostensibly there for language study, right? There is an element there of like, well, you're not, you know, the coachman or you're not, you know, the butler. Your status forbids you from like bargaining up, for instance. 0.99
00:22:35.500 So it is also like, it's both outside of the family, but also outside of capitalism, so therefore more like a family member that you can exploit and set upon and treat terribly.
00:22:46.140 Yeah, so ambivalent role, right?
00:22:50.040 Sort of partially conceited but eternally revocable dignity and very low pay.
00:22:56.920 Yeah. 1.00
00:22:57.580 And Charlotte goes to work as a governess, and dude, she fucking hated it. 1.00
00:23:02.300 She fucking hated it. 1.00
00:23:03.760 her journals from this time of her life in her like late teens and early 20s when she's acting 0.99
00:23:09.500 as a governess are hilarious she's like if these kids knew how much I fucking hated them they 0.99
00:23:14.740 wouldn't be crawling all over me and yelling for my attention all the time wow she's like I hate 1.00
00:23:19.740 the families I work for I find them vulgar I hate these like sticky fingered little children 0.93
00:23:26.140 I hate having to wipe the snot off their noses I just want to like go up to my room and do my 0.94
00:23:32.760 own writing. And her employers were also like, why is this girl moping all the time? 0.99
00:23:38.760 She was not getting like rave reviews as a governess. One employer was like, this girl is 1.00
00:23:46.220 easily offended all the time at stuff that shouldn't be a big deal. She is sulking. Like 1.00
00:23:51.820 she had one employer who had like six kids and was heavily pregnant with another. And Charlotte just 0.95
00:23:57.720 wanted to be in her room all the time, like reading and writing and not helping out with 1.00
00:24:01.280 like the basic child care so this woman who's like pregnant as all hell and really wants to sit down 1.00
00:24:06.180 and is in fact paying for child care is like not getting it and she's all pissed i'm just now 0.89
00:24:11.760 picturing first of you have to go through that and then you read jane eyre five years later you're 0.99
00:24:15.900 like wait is this fucking book about me like you did me dirty governess what the fuck yeah i think 0.99
00:24:23.320 it's hilarious as a woman who was once a like teenage girl who thought she was too good for her 1.00
00:24:30.140 minimum wage job flipping burgers. I relate so hard to Charlotte Bronte hating being a governess.
00:24:36.940 But she also especially hated her lower status. She hated the indignity of being a governess. 1.00
00:24:43.860 And I think that's really interesting because when Jane Eyre comes out, one of the things that
00:24:48.760 is noted about it by critics who have like a weird, ambivalent series of critical responses
00:24:54.000 to the book. But one of the things they all say is this really brings attention to the issue of
00:24:58.220 governesses. Their status, their difficulties are highlighted here in a way that seems socially
00:25:05.520 relevant. So the political content of the book, the commentary it has about class, was noted at
00:25:12.060 the time. So Jane Eyre was, as we mentioned earlier, not Charlotte Bronte's first novel.
00:25:18.760 By the time she published it in 1847, she had already written another novel called The Professor.
00:25:24.680 Have you heard of this? I have heard of The Professor, yeah. Okay. I know for Charlotte
00:25:28.140 of Bronte novels, right?
00:25:29.680 Villette, Shirley, Jane Eyre,
00:25:31.780 and The Professor.
00:25:32.620 But The Professor was not published
00:25:34.380 until after she died, right?
00:25:35.860 That's right.
00:25:36.460 So this was the first book she wrote,
00:25:38.800 and it was based on a teacher
00:25:40.540 she had had,
00:25:41.820 Constantin Eger.
00:25:43.780 I'm sure I am butchering
00:25:45.320 this man's pronunciation.
00:25:46.560 Adrian, with your competent French,
00:25:48.380 could you pronounce this name for me?
00:25:49.820 Well, I mean, it depends
00:25:50.500 on what language is this.
00:25:51.460 Is this French?
00:25:52.340 Yes, this is a teacher
00:25:53.400 she had in Brussels.
00:25:54.380 Eger.
00:25:55.180 Eger.
00:25:56.160 What would it be
00:25:57.080 in another language.
00:25:58.320 What were you thinking? 0.77
00:25:59.100 Well, if he's German, it's Hege. 0.56
00:26:00.520 But it's Hege because it's French. 0.63
00:26:02.880 Yes.
00:26:03.600 Well, I mean, he could be a Walloon-speaking Belgian.
00:26:06.720 That's why I was asking.
00:26:07.780 No, he was a French-speaking Belgian. 0.72
00:26:10.200 So one of the fancy ones, yes.
00:26:11.960 So this was a novel she based on Monsieur Hege,
00:26:15.240 who had been her supervisor and kind of her teacher
00:26:18.880 when she and Emily were student teachers
00:26:22.680 at an academy in Brussels in the early 1840s.
00:26:26.600 So Charlotte and Emily, they go to Brussels.
00:26:29.760 They are kind of learning how to be teachers, how to be better governesses, because they have this like vague ambition to one day open their own school.
00:26:38.460 And Constantin Ije is a English teacher there.
00:26:42.140 He's teaching the French-speaking Belgian children how to read and write in English.
00:26:46.220 So his English is quite good.
00:26:47.780 And he seems to have been somebody who took Charlotte intellectually seriously.
00:26:50.780 He read some of her early work and was like, there's something here. 0.93
00:26:54.000 you should keep working on this you have talent and charlotte in true down bad repressed girl
00:27:01.900 style immediately became sexually obsessed with this guy in a way that was like palpable to others
00:27:06.380 and seems to have creeped them out she describes him in like byronic terms which are not exactly
00:27:14.780 flattering so adrian i would like you to read this quote from a letter that charlotte writes
00:27:20.740 in which she is describing Monsieur A. Gay.
00:27:23.480 And remember, dear listener, 0.97
00:27:25.500 that this is somebody she's supposed to be attracted to.
00:27:28.180 All right.
00:27:29.980 Quote,
00:27:30.940 Very choleric and irritable in temperament, 0.99
00:27:33.320 a little black ugly being with a face that varies in expression. 1.00
00:27:36.860 Sometimes he borrows the liniments of an insane tomcat, 1.00
00:27:40.460 sometimes those of a delirious hyena.
00:27:42.400 Oh, wow.
00:27:43.360 Occasionally, but very seldom,
00:27:44.800 he discards those perilous attractions
00:27:46.760 and assumes an air not above 100 degrees removed
00:27:50.260 from what you would call mild and gentleman-like.
00:27:54.160 Yeah, I feel I've met this guy in Jane Eyre.
00:27:58.320 Yes, this is functionally a description
00:28:00.420 of Jane Eyre's employer and love interest, Mr. Rochester.
00:28:05.420 Yeah. 0.65
00:28:05.900 So Mr. Rochester is described in the novel as butt-ugly,
00:28:10.900 as I think the phrase that Charlotte Bronte uses 0.52
00:28:13.740 is less than middling in height.
00:28:16.840 Nice. 1.00
00:28:18.120 She could neg like nobody's business.
00:28:20.260 And he's irritable and he kind of like negs her a little. He is immediately flirtatious, but in a way that is a little presumptuously familiar, you know? Like, I think you should not flirt this way with anybody you don't know very well.
00:28:38.560 Does this happen in your marriage where, like, you tease each other by being like, you suck so much shit? 1.00
00:28:43.760 Like, you're like, this is a big part of my marriage where we're like, of course you did that. 1.00
00:28:48.360 You're always doing that silly thing or that stupid thing or that self-defeating thing. 0.99
00:28:54.940 And that's how he talks to her. 1.00
00:28:56.500 That's how he talks to her.
00:28:57.580 Yeah.
00:28:57.820 And it's, like, supposed to be very, very hot.
00:28:59.640 He also, like, the first time they meet, he just, like, immediately falls off his horse, which is not a very sexy and suave thing to do.
00:29:07.500 Right.
00:29:07.660 So he's kind of, like, deficient in this way, but he's got this kind of animalistic quality that is very, very appealing to young Jane.
00:29:16.780 So Charlotte writes this first novel, The Professor, basically about Monsieur Egger, this kind of Byronic, ugly, but very sexually appealing character.
00:29:28.360 There's a word in Dutch that, of course, I don't remember, but it translates to dog sexy. 0.88
00:29:33.940 and it means somebody who is ugly 0.84
00:29:38.500 but in a way that makes them 0.98
00:29:39.520 incredibly sexually appealing, 0.78
00:29:40.840 like erotically appealing ugliness. 1.00
00:29:42.500 I've also found the Dutch 1.00
00:29:43.520 to be quite good at nagging. 1.00
00:29:44.920 So I'm not totally shocked
00:29:46.580 that they would have that word.
00:29:48.360 They're gear hot,
00:29:48.900 but in a not hot way.
00:29:51.000 But Monsieur Eger becomes
00:29:52.920 this main character
00:29:54.060 and the professor
00:29:54.720 who then becomes Mr. Rochester 0.89
00:29:57.160 who has this dog sexiness, right? 0.97
00:29:59.900 Yeah, rough, rough. 0.97
00:30:01.140 And so she sends out
00:30:02.020 this first novel,
00:30:03.120 The Professor,
00:30:03.940 It's immediately rejected by publishers. It's never printed in her lifetime. They're like, this is not as accessible as some of her later work will be. It's not quite as accomplished. But it kind of forms this transitional work between the angry and juvenilia and the mature novels, right?
00:30:22.840 And Charlotte will, as we said, draw again and again from her experiences as a governess in England and as a student teacher in Belgium in her future works.
00:30:33.340 Not just a professor, but in Jane Eyre and in Vallette and all of her novels, really.
00:30:37.900 But something that's really interesting to me about The Professor is that it's told from the old man's point of view.
00:30:43.320 It's told from the professor's point of view.
00:30:45.240 He is the narrator.
00:30:45.980 And when she moves on after that novel gets rejected and she starts writing Jane Eyre, she chooses the different first person, that of the young governess whose experiences are a lot more like hers.
00:30:59.220 So let's get into the plot of Jane Eyre.
00:31:02.980 And like spoiler alert for a novel published in 1847, she marries him, right?
00:31:09.040 So Jane Eyre basically has five distinct parts.
00:31:13.060 I think it's like 38 chapters.
00:31:14.560 It was published in three volumes. I really do understand it as a book in three major acts, but it has five settings, and the five settings are her childhood at a manor called Gateshead, her school days at a really kind of miserable, boring school named Lowood, her youth as a governess at Mr. Rochester's estate of Thornfeld, her self-exile from Thornfeld when she winds up at a place called Moore Hall,
00:31:42.120 And then her reconciliation back with Rochester towards the end of the book, again at Thornwood, but this time in a cottage on the grounds of the destroyed manor house.
00:31:52.860 So it's this kind of journey, maturation, lesson learned, and then a return, right?
00:31:58.760 It's kind of like a typical hero's journey.
00:32:01.180 Can you hear the barking dog outside my window?
00:32:03.540 Yes, I can.
00:32:04.080 Okay, let me close this window.
00:32:05.860 It's Domino, my neighbor Domino.
00:32:09.540 Domino's always in a terrible mood.
00:32:11.440 Okay. So it's a story about a poor governess who falls in love with her employer, discovers that he is married to a woman who is profoundly mentally disturbed, who he keeps imprisoned, locked up in the attic of his manor house.
00:32:31.120 So if you ever heard the phrase, the mad woman in the attic, or perhaps picked up the book, which we will be discussing, that is a reference to Bertha Mason, Mr. Rochester's first wife.
00:32:41.880 She flees to a life of poverty, Jane does, rather than become Mr. Rochester's mistress.
00:32:48.720 But in her exile, two things happen.
00:32:51.300 First, she receives a proposal of marriage from another man.
00:32:55.360 And second, she receives notice that she has inherited a fortune from a previously unknown relative.
00:33:02.340 So this woman who does a principled thing and rejects a sort of like sinful or just unsatisfying and dishonest partnership with a married man is rewarded by, you know, coming into means of her own.
00:33:19.060 But she rejects this alternate marriage proposal
00:33:22.120 and receives a kind of like dubiously supernatural telepathic communication
00:33:28.280 from Mr. Rochester telling her to return to him.
00:33:32.000 So she does.
00:33:33.020 She's like unable to let go of this passion for her old employer
00:33:35.760 and she decides to go back.
00:33:37.580 And when she does, she finds that his great manor house has burned down.
00:33:42.220 Because of the lady in the attic. 0.97
00:33:43.360 Because of the mad wife, right? 1.00
00:33:44.940 Can't keep her in the attic. 1.00
00:33:46.160 It's made of wood.
00:33:46.760 She does get out of the attic kind of a lot.
00:33:48.940 Yeah, yeah.
00:33:50.000 That's true. 1.00
00:33:51.140 But the mad woman in the attic has escaped, set the whole fucking place on fire. 0.99
00:33:55.440 I am completely on Bertha's side. 1.00
00:33:57.340 He had it coming.
00:33:58.900 The whole place burns down.
00:34:00.920 Bertha dies in the blaze.
00:34:03.040 That's just a beginner's mistake.
00:34:04.940 Yeah.
00:34:05.760 Skill issue.
00:34:06.920 She jumps from a great height in a, like, dubiously cognizant suicide, right?
00:34:13.260 Like, does she actually know what she's doing?
00:34:14.800 I think Bertha is one of the most interesting characters in Victorian literature, but she's really made interesting by subsequent interventions, right?
00:34:25.840 Like the richness of Bertha, this mad woman in the attic, and all that she is able to do is really the product of interventions by 20th century writers.
00:34:36.800 And we're going to get to sort of Jane Eyre's afterlives.
00:34:40.220 But because Bertha is dead, that means Mr. Rochester is now single.
00:34:44.320 However, in the blaze, he has been maimed and blinded. He loses use of one of his hands and he can't see. And so that means that Jane Eyre, the heiress, who has been raised up in status and Rochester, who has been lowered in status dramatically, they are now equals, right?
00:35:06.400 They're able to embark on a honest partnership of equals, which is something I guess that happens when a woman is a billionaire and a man is blind.
00:35:18.800 But this is like sort of the happy ending, right?
00:35:23.760 They live in a cottage on his old property.
00:35:28.200 He regains his eyesight and is able to look upon their children and they sort of live happily ever after.
00:35:34.580 Yeah, and I mean, as more as description should make clear, it's both kind of a social novel, a Bildungsroman, sort of a story of development, but it's also, it has trappings of the Gothic the same way that Wuthering Heights does.
00:35:48.540 You know, you can't have someone jumping out of the burning building.
00:35:51.460 Like, that wouldn't have happened to Jane Austen, having someone just like fling themselves from a burning manor house while the Lord loses his eyesight down below.
00:36:00.080 So in The Madwoman in the Attic, this is always something I flash back to.
00:36:05.380 The authors call Jane Eyre Pamela's daughter and Rebecca's aunt, which I really like.
00:36:11.040 Because it's a lot of creepy, large mansions that have a tendency to catch fire.
00:36:17.700 Yeah, the gothicism is there.
00:36:19.480 The gothicism is there.
00:36:21.120 I've also heard the plot of Jane Eyre described as Cinderella meets Bluebeard, right?
00:36:27.520 This sort of like fairy tale logic.
00:36:30.080 The like merger of sort of virtuous woman and sort of like a darkly evil man is kind of there.
00:36:39.700 And there's this kind of like framework of like low status woman and high status man as a marriage sort of prospect that I think is given to us in a lot of like marriage plots and like other kinds of Victorian novels that gets really subverted by what Jane does, which is sort of continually refuse and rebel against positions of lower status and the indignity that comes with them.
00:37:06.020 right? And so this is going to really inform feminist readings of the novel. But first,
00:37:11.340 I want to dwell a little bit on this madwoman in the attic, Bertha Mason. Adrian, could you
00:37:17.240 like gloss Bertha for our listeners who maybe haven't read Jane Eyre?
00:37:20.740 I'm trying to remember now a book I read 25 years ago, but my recollection is that as soon as Jane
00:37:28.160 arrives in Thornfield House, things are starting to be a little strange. The first time readers
00:37:36.000 you kind of entertain the possibility that there's something supernatural going on,
00:37:39.200 a haunting or something like that.
00:37:41.120 And, of course, Mr. Rochester is sort of also acting in ways that are either
00:37:45.860 a sign of a general jerkiness or that the man has something to hide,
00:37:49.680 both of which I think turn out to be true.
00:37:52.020 And eventually, as they're about to get married, right,
00:37:56.260 a strange woman appears by her bedside at night, is that right,
00:38:00.420 and rips her wedding veil in half? Am I remembering that correctly?
00:38:03.160 There's some ripping of the wedding veil in half.
00:38:05.120 At one point, Jane is awoken by a strange sound in the middle of the night and discovers that in Mr. Rochester's room, his bed is on fire.
00:38:14.300 Oh, yeah.
00:38:14.580 And she has to sort of like put it out and wake him up.
00:38:17.020 And he's like, you saved my life.
00:38:18.520 And then they go and they are going to get married.
00:38:20.840 Rochester and Jane are going to be married.
00:38:24.240 He takes her to the church in the little village.
00:38:27.300 And they are literally at the altar when a man comes in and says, this guy can't get married because he's already married.
00:38:32.940 And she discovers that he has been concealing the secret wife the whole time.
00:38:37.100 And that is when Jane is finally taken to the attic and sees this creature who is referred to, using a lot of like animal metaphors, like as a hyena, as a bird of prey, sometimes referred to as it, who is sort of base, animal-like, without redeeming qualities in her suffering and is violent, right?
00:39:00.020 So at one point she bites the man who is her brother, who has come to stop Mr. Rochester from marrying someone else.
00:39:07.460 And if I remember correctly, the madness is not accidental.
00:39:10.800 It's congenital.
00:39:11.700 Basically, Rochester was duped, right?
00:39:14.220 Her relatives duped him into marrying her sort of before the onset of symptoms.
00:39:18.920 And then it became very clear that she was just going to become that, right?
00:39:24.760 basically like i feel like that's the first moment where the moral starkness of the novel's judgment
00:39:31.120 relents a little bit because i feel like this isn't something that would have happened withering
00:39:34.320 heights where you do kind of see the deck getting loaded for a you know like well it's not that bad
00:39:41.460 you know like they they really tricked him and you know there was just never any way this woman
00:39:46.800 wasn't going to turn out to be a complete nut and even the kind of intercession at the altar i thought 0.96
00:39:52.640 was kind of them still exerting control over Rochester.
00:39:57.220 There is a sense in which like Bertha Mason
00:40:00.000 is absolutely irredeemable.
00:40:03.560 She's depicted as kind of not entirely culpable 0.71
00:40:06.340 for her own madness
00:40:08.120 because it is suggested that her mother
00:40:10.220 before her also went crazy.
00:40:12.120 The idea being that this is, you know,
00:40:13.720 not a condition she elected into,
00:40:15.300 but one she was sort of like fated to by nature.
00:40:17.600 Yeah.
00:40:17.900 And that brings us to, I think,
00:40:19.040 the elephant in the room as we talk about Bertha, 0.92
00:40:21.220 was that Bertha is from Jamaica. 0.95
00:40:23.800 Bertha is not an English woman. 1.00
00:40:26.240 She is generally understood to be a white woman,
00:40:28.460 although this is contested
00:40:30.120 in some of the critical interpretations, right?
00:40:31.980 She's described as a Creole,
00:40:33.440 which just means she was born in the New World
00:40:35.740 as a Catholic.
00:40:37.880 That's what the term Creole meant at the time.
00:40:40.360 So she was born in the New World in Jamaica
00:40:43.500 and was the inheritor of a Jamaican fortune 0.70
00:40:48.900 that was probably, one assumes, made through slave labor, right?
00:40:54.080 Yeah, sugar plantations, yeah.
00:40:55.720 Right.
00:40:56.480 Rochester explains to Jane that he had to go to Jamaica
00:41:01.580 to marry this heiress and take on what's pretty clearly depicted as dirty money, right?
00:41:07.580 This is not an anti-racist book, but it's not a pro-slavery book.
00:41:10.360 This is something that Rochester feels he has to sort of stoop beneath his dignity to do
00:41:16.140 because he has been cut out of his inheritance by a sort of like colluding of his father and older
00:41:22.380 brother the father and the older brother subsequently die meaning that rochester does
00:41:27.760 in fact become the heir to the thornfield estate but by then he is shackled to this woman he has
00:41:33.340 married for her money who has become insane become increasingly violent and dangerous and is
00:41:39.780 basically being imprisoned in this attic and implied sort of like sedated with alcohol grace
00:41:44.800 pool the servant who is employed just to tend to bertha and whose presence in the household is for
00:41:52.160 a long time a mystery to jane is always seeing carrying these huge jugs of port wine oh wow up
00:41:58.180 to the attic and it's like okay they're just giving this woman alcohol and no human interaction
00:42:04.160 and so this is where we get what i think is one of the things that jane eyre has in common with
00:42:11.660 withering heights which is the bronte sort of like qualified critique of imperialism right it's like
00:42:17.640 anti-imperialism without anti-racism which is like pretty common for the 19th century white people
00:42:25.180 right like if you're an american or frankly if you're a british person studying the history of
00:42:28.920 slavery abolition in either of those countries you're going to encounter a lot of white people
00:42:34.340 who are Charlotte Bronte's, like, exact contemporaries
00:42:37.640 who have intelligent, beautifully articulated
00:42:42.700 moral oppositions to slavery
00:42:44.340 because of what it does to the dignity
00:42:47.180 and the suffering it imposes on the enslaved Black people
00:42:50.680 who nevertheless have profound investments 0.57
00:42:53.700 in white supremacy, right?
00:42:55.720 Yeah.
00:42:56.040 Like, you don't have to be woke to be anti-imperialist.
00:42:59.560 You don't have to be woke to be anti-slavery,
00:43:02.780 especially not in this era.
00:43:04.680 And there's also a kind of like racist justification
00:43:08.400 for the anti-imperialism in a lot of this work.
00:43:11.080 Like this reminds me of,
00:43:12.240 speaking of my high school English class,
00:43:13.520 but I was assigned Heart of Darkness.
00:43:15.840 And Mr. Budd, who later was like,
00:43:18.160 you are, you know, poor, plain, little, 1.00
00:43:19.740 and kind of a bitch, just like Jane Eyre. 1.00
00:43:22.100 Mr. Budd was trying to explain to me 0.99
00:43:24.680 Joseph Conrad's anti-imperialism.
00:43:28.220 I was like, this is a racist text
00:43:30.020 because it equates the jungle and the blackness of the people in the jungle with evil, with this
00:43:35.820 like simmering id or this like dark core in the human capacity, right? The human capacity for evil
00:43:42.400 is made into a symbol that's embodied in blackness and that is racist, right? And Mr. Bud, my English 0.97
00:43:49.420 teacher at the time was like, well, he's really saying that the project of colonizing is what
00:43:53.920 makes you evil, right? And you could read this as an anti-racist text. I think there's something
00:43:58.600 similar at play in the Bronte's treatments of racial otherness and evil. I'm thinking of like 0.82
00:44:05.480 Heathcliff and Bertha, right? Who are the racial others. Bertha's racial identity is like white 0.99
00:44:12.800 with an asterisk, right? She's white, but she's proximate to blackness because of her origins in 0.99
00:44:17.140 Jamaica and because of her animality and madness. And Heathcliff is really racially unidentified 1.00
00:44:24.760 and also a source of, like, tremendous malice and suffering in Wuthering Heights, right? 0.89
00:44:29.840 And so this identification of racial otherness, racial blackness with evil and with animality
00:44:37.420 is something that is actually deployed, I think, in the Bronte novels to an anti-imperialist end.
00:44:44.520 They're like, this is what happens when you have to go abroad.
00:44:47.360 This is what happens when you expose yourself and try to make money off of these other parts
00:44:54.040 of the world that are not as honorable or as morally capable as we hear in Mary England, 0.51
00:45:02.400 right?
00:45:02.580 So like one of the things that is read into Jane Eyre is that Rochester wants to be with
00:45:08.440 Jane because Jane is English, because Jane represents a return to a wealth that is honorable
00:45:16.320 because it is domestic.
00:45:18.580 Interesting.
00:45:19.380 And that, I think, brings us to one of the weirder parts of the story of Jane Eyre,
00:45:26.880 which is that to really have an account of Jane Eyre, we have to have an account of Wide Sargasso Sea.
00:45:34.320 Adrian, have you ever read or heard of the novel Wide Sargasso Sea?
00:45:37.600 I have. I don't think I've read it.
00:45:39.720 It's really good. It's really short.
00:45:41.360 Yeah, I am.
00:45:41.560 It's like 120 pages. I read it on a plane.
00:45:44.420 Jean Rhys published Wide Sargasso Sea in 1966.
00:45:49.500 And Wide Sargasso Sea is something that I don't know how to describe except as fan fiction.
00:45:55.740 Yeah, it tells the story of Bertha in the Caribbean before she becomes the madwoman in the attic.
00:46:00.180 And up to her time as a madwoman in the attic.
00:46:02.900 Jean Rhys was a white woman born in the Caribbean. 0.91
00:46:07.620 She was born in Dominica.
00:46:08.380 And she makes her career as a writer in England a little over 100 years after the publication of Jane Eyre.
00:46:17.800 And she writes a book.
00:46:19.600 What she says is, you know, she wants to give Bertha a life.
00:46:22.320 That's how she says it.
00:46:23.980 Bertha in Jane Eyre is devoid of sympathy, right?
00:46:29.320 I think the readings of Jane Eyre really change after White Saragossa Sea.
00:46:34.020 The publication of Wide Sargasso Sea really alters the way that people interact with its source material.
00:46:41.140 It is a rare piece of sort of like this fan fiction, for lack of a better term, that has a permanent critical impact on the original book.
00:46:49.600 Wide Sargasso Sea depicts Bertha, who is called Antoinette Mason in the novel.
00:46:55.300 She is renamed Bertha by Rochester in kind of an act of cruelty.
00:46:59.540 Oh, wow.
00:46:59.780 And it depicts her life from her childhood to her time where she is imprisoned and descends into a final madness in England.
00:47:09.980 But she grows up in Jamaica right after the abolition of slavery in Jamaica.
00:47:17.140 And so this causes her father's fortunes to rapidly diminish, leading ultimately to what is implied to be her father's suicide.
00:47:24.700 It's set in like the 1830s.
00:47:26.100 But her mother remarries a wealthy man. But this does not stop the local people from burning down their house. So like the emancipated black people burn down the sort of like manor house, former plantation house that Antoinette and her family are living in.
00:47:43.860 And the fire kills her younger brother, who is disabled and can't flee.
00:47:49.460 And there's also like a really like vivid, disturbing description of the family's pet parrot dying with like its wings outstretched and on fire.
00:47:58.800 So the loss of the child is what drives Antoinette's mother insane.
00:48:04.800 And Antoinette, at a certain point, goes and visits her mother where this woman who is, you know, now incapable of reason is being sort of tended to by paid servants that her stepfather is paying.
00:48:18.040 And she realizes that her insane mother is being raped by her caretakers in this sort of like insane asylum cottage that she's been exiled to.
00:48:26.820 So Bertha is then sort of like transactionally married off to this strange Englishman without her input or consent and is then rejected by him in increasingly cruel terms. 0.88
00:48:40.900 So Rochester is sleeping with Antoinette's black servants.
00:48:45.080 He refuses to call her by her name and starts giving her this other name. 0.72
00:48:50.560 He's keeping her very drunk, like they're all very drunk in White Sargasso Sea, like all the time.
00:48:55.240 And he is sort of like slowly pushing the people she knows away from her. And so like she tries to sort of get away and isn't able to. And eventually denied love, addressed as foundationally and congenitally broken, carrying all these experiences of like displacement and violence is sort of carried across the ocean and locked up in this attic where she doesn't know where she is.
00:49:23.740 and she is treated very cruelly, right?
00:49:26.720 So, like, why Sargossa Sea is Gene Rice being like,
00:49:29.620 if this happened to you, you would go crazy as well.
00:49:32.540 Yeah, I am.
00:49:33.180 And it's, like, a dreamlike drunken book.
00:49:36.700 I really like it as a depiction of, like, ambivalent
00:49:41.840 and sort of subtextually hostile
00:49:44.000 and sometimes textually hostile race relations.
00:49:46.980 I think there's, like, a tendency in some white people's depictions
00:49:49.760 of black people to make black people these, like, you know,
00:49:52.440 wise wizards who are there to be moral 0.99
00:49:54.480 guides for white people and that's really not
00:49:56.480 what wide Sargasso Sea does 0.95
00:49:58.280 it is a book in which the black 0.99
00:50:00.540 characters like have their own agendas
00:50:02.180 and are a very like meaningfully
00:50:04.960 rich
00:50:06.220 and realistic
00:50:07.540 mix of virtues
00:50:09.860 and like vices and
00:50:12.080 strengths and weaknesses so like none of them
00:50:14.380 are totally on her side some of them
00:50:16.300 are manipulating her a lot of them are
00:50:18.220 manipulating Rochester some of them
00:50:20.360 are related to her through the 0.70
00:50:22.420 you know, family relationships created by rape under such systems and the ambivalence and
00:50:28.200 complexity and mix of aspirations and resentments and hurts in the novel is really interesting.
00:50:34.560 And I think Wide Sargasso Sea, which again comes out in 1966, is part of what allows Jane Eyre
00:50:42.040 to be rehabilitated really as like a feminist novel. And that brings us to The Mad Woman in
00:50:49.280 the Attic. Do you want to like gloss this critical book for us? Yes. So The Madwoman in the Attic
00:50:54.840 came out in 1979. And it's a feminist reading really of the entirety of Victorian literature
00:51:01.560 from the margins. It's not primarily a study of the heroes or heroines. It's really trying to
00:51:09.420 understand some of the explicit gender policy and some of the suppressed gender politics, right?
00:51:13.940 The case of Jane Eyre, I believe the authors, which I should have said, Sandra Gilbert and
00:51:17.900 Susan Gubar, make the point that part of what clearly offended reviewers in the beginning
00:51:23.820 is something that you just said about Weiser Gasso Sea, that this is a protagonist with
00:51:29.400 her own mind and with a certain degree of conflictual relationships with the existing
00:51:36.740 order, which to them is like maybe the proto-feminist text.
00:51:41.280 But just to give a sense, what else is in there?
00:51:44.160 So it starts, I believe, with Jane Austen.
00:51:46.760 There's a bunch of Charlotte Bronte in it.
00:51:48.680 The professor comes up.
00:51:50.300 Then it goes on to George Eliot.
00:51:52.560 And then I think it sort of closes with Emily Dickinson.
00:51:55.840 I have no idea why.
00:51:56.500 The Mad One in the Attic is a really fascinating, like critical intervention, trying to recast the Victorian era as one in which the novels have really potent gender politics that can be formative for the gender politics of the modern era, right?
00:52:15.020 This is a very critically influential book. For our purposes, I'm really going to be focusing on their chapter on Jane Eyre, which is called Dialogue of Self and Soul or Plain Jane's Progress, right?
00:52:27.140 And Gilbert and Gubar, I think this chapter was written by Gilbert, but I don't want to cheat Gubar, but Gilbert and Gubar say that, you know, one of the clear influences on Jane Eyre was A Pilgrim's Progress, which is one of the books that we know that the Brontes had in their home at Howarth Parsage when they were growing up.
00:52:48.000 And which has, like Jane Eyre does, a sort of narrative of an individual coming into sort of like spiritual fullness and self-respect, right?
00:53:00.080 One of the big critical questions about Jane Eyre is whether or not this is a Christian book. 0.56
00:53:06.740 On the one hand, this is a book which has tremendous hostility towards the hypocrisy and self-righteousness of religious authorities, right?
00:53:16.640 So one character who comes in for a ton of mockery and ire is the founder and head of lower school, Mr. Brocklehurst, right?
00:53:25.360 In the last third of the book, Jane receives a marriage proposal from a severe, cold, emotionally repressed cousin of hers named Sinjin, St. John, but it's pronounced Sinjin.
00:53:38.620 who's like, be my wife because you are really good at self-discipline and self-sacrifice
00:53:44.060 and we will go be missionaries in India. 0.99
00:53:47.260 And Jane's like, I don't want to fucking do that. 0.97
00:53:49.300 Actually, that does not sound fun at all. 0.97
00:53:51.360 That does not sound like it will be fulfilling, right?
00:53:53.720 So, like, it rejects hypocrisy.
00:53:56.700 It rejects sort of, like, self-righteousness and, like, self-importance through religion.
00:54:01.620 And it also rejects a vision of religion as being about sort of muting the passions, repressing pleasure, and living a life of self-sacrifice, right? 0.99
00:54:11.980 It's very much against that shit. 1.00
00:54:13.780 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:54:14.260 On the other hand, you know, Jane refuses adultery, and this is very much a mark of her self-respect, right?
00:54:22.720 And the last word of the novel is Jesus.
00:54:24.420 You know, it's a book that has, let's say, an ambivalent relationship to religion, but it does not have an ambivalent relationship to Jane.
00:54:33.580 Gilbert and Gubar depict Jane as sort of rejecting her social destiny.
00:54:39.540 That's their phrase, right?
00:54:40.420 So she is given this sort of way of being as a woman in the world, and she completely and repeatedly rejects self-sacrifice, self-abnegation, and sort of the strictures of a social role that she does not feel is, you know, appropriate to her dignity. 0.90
00:54:59.600 And that is where they find a really, like, profound feminism.
00:55:03.980 Other critics working around the same time have different interpretations, right?
00:55:09.460 So there's a famous critique by Gayatri Spivak, which comes out a few years after Mad Woman in the Attic in 1985, in which, you know, the second wave has just ended and Spivak is really looking at Charlotte Bronte's approach to imperialism.
00:55:25.320 And she's like, look, and she also critiques White Sargasso Sea in the same essay, which is called Three Women's Texts and a Critique of Imperialism.
00:55:31.620 We should link to all of these in the show notes.
00:55:33.760 But she's like, look, these texts, in order to, you know, redeem Jane Eyre as like a feminist, you sort of have to forgive or ignore the fact that she achieves her equality and status on the back of this racist caricature of Bertha. 0.92
00:55:52.440 Yeah.
00:55:52.700 And with the spoils of imperialist exploitation. 1.00
00:55:56.700 And she's like in White Sargasso Sea to redeem Bertha as a victim of patriarchy and exploitation.
00:56:05.060 There's this weird drama in which, you know, she is sort of basically sold by her relatives.
00:56:11.400 She is spirited away across the Atlantic Ocean and then locked up and made unfree.
00:56:19.520 And Spivak is like, look, you're like dramatizing the Middle Passage.
00:56:22.700 and making its violence legible by having it happen to a white girl, you know, and there's
00:56:28.040 something kind of grotesque about that as well, right? So this is a book that contains many
00:56:34.320 contradictions in conclusion. In conclusion, Jane Eyre is a novel of many contradictions,
00:56:41.700 but you know, like there's so much in it in terms of, you know, our big three, gender, class, and
00:56:47.120 race are all sort of at war in this book in a way that is, I think, surprising. It's more
00:56:54.420 complicated. It's more ambivalent. It's more implicated, more guilty, more self-aware,
00:57:03.460 more defiant than I think I would have expected it to be when I was handed this book about sort
00:57:09.980 of like an emotionally deprived, ugly girl at age 18 and really resented it. I'm like, well,
00:57:15.760 This is actually a book that can call readers
00:57:18.780 to a sense of self-respect and responsibility
00:57:20.880 for like the power that's at play in their world.
00:57:23.980 And that's something I really love about it.
00:57:26.200 Well, thank you so much for taking me on this journey.
00:57:28.580 It makes me want to reread Jane Eyre.
00:57:30.580 It makes me want to read Wise Dog Association.
00:57:32.720 And it makes me kind of want to reread The Mad Woman in the Attic,
00:57:35.520 where it's been a while.
00:57:36.400 The Spivak, I don't remember reading at all.
00:57:38.640 I'll send it to you. It's really good.
00:57:39.820 Yeah, yeah.
00:57:40.380 For Spivak, it's shockingly readable.
00:57:42.420 I did not like
00:57:44.120 listener
00:57:44.800 the first time
00:57:45.660 you try to read
00:57:46.480 Can the Subaltern Speak 1.00
00:57:47.560 you're going to be like 1.00
00:57:48.360 oh boy
00:57:49.300 and this one's
00:57:50.500 a little easier
00:57:51.040 you start the
00:57:52.040 critique of
00:57:52.620 postcolonial reason
00:57:53.400 and reader
00:57:54.000 I threw it
00:57:54.560 against the wall
00:57:55.240 thank you so much
00:57:58.180 for coming on this
00:57:58.800 journey with me Adrian
00:57:59.620 and thank you to
00:58:00.260 our darling listeners
00:58:01.040 thank you all
00:58:12.420 The title music is by Katie Lau.