Maintenance Phase - Diet Book Deep Dive： The Karl Lagerfeld Diet

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00:00:57.380 And today we're talking about a French, wait, a French man, a Swiss man?

00:01:02.360 Oh my God, we're going to get into this.

00:01:04.420 This is exactly what he wants you to think.

00:01:06.540 Is he like Nutella where everybody thinks it's from their country?

00:01:09.420 Yeah, that's right.

00:01:11.500 Yeah, we're talking about Karl Lagerfeld and the Karl Lagerfeld diet.

00:01:16.740 Famous friend to fat people, Karl Lagerfeld.

00:01:20.120 What do you know about Karl Lagerfeld? 0.99

00:01:22.100 I mostly know about him from you every once in a while ranting about how much he sucks. 0.99

00:01:27.520 Yeah, he really does. 0.97

00:01:28.760 I mean, he's a very famous fashion designer.

00:01:31.740 He, God, I'm out.

00:01:34.800 That's it.

00:01:35.180 He's a really famous fashion designer.

00:01:37.800 I was going to say he designed the costumes for The Fifth Element, but that's Jean-Luc Picard or whatever the guy's name is.

00:01:44.560 I'm not a fashion.

00:01:45.960 I'm not a fashion guy.

00:01:47.120 Yeah, I mean, I'm not a fashion lady for the most part.

00:01:49.880 But I will say, Karl Lagerfeld worked for, he was the creative director of Chanel.

00:01:56.840 He worked for Dior.

00:01:58.540 Oh.

00:01:58.940 And he very famously lost about 90 pounds.

00:02:04.440 Right.

00:02:05.000 And then released a diet book under his name called the Karl Lagerfeld Diet.

00:02:11.260 Fashion people giving diet advice.

00:02:14.160 Yeah.

00:02:15.220 It's a fraught area, I'll say that.

00:02:18.120 so should we dive in dude yeah yes have you seen carl lagerfeld that's the first thing we should

00:02:24.100 talk about yes he looks like david lynch in my brain sure he's like a normie looking dude until

00:02:29.280 you get his hair and his hair is like this the shock of bright white poofed up louis the 14th

00:02:35.980 hairstyle i don't think i've ever seen him before the weight loss so all the images of him that i've

00:02:40.920 seen are this thin oh my god okay yeah you just sent me an image holy shit so in this picture

00:02:49.600 he is wearing a cravat he's wearing a black suit a white shirt yeah giant sunglasses he is holding

00:02:58.440 his cat and he's wearing leather gloves and i will say so i'm down in los angeles with my family and

00:03:06.080 my mom came in the other day and was like what are you working on and i was like i'm researching an

00:03:10.460 episode on carl lagerfeld and she went who and i showed her a picture and she went he looks like a

00:03:15.360 bond villain that's what i was gonna say because he's in he's in some sort of private jet situation

00:03:21.320 he's got a venetian blind on an airplane window behind him yes he just looks like a very thin 0.98

00:03:28.780 wealthy socialite guy and uh super fucking gay i mean yes deeply gay i was like who's gonna 0.99

00:03:37.420 to mention it first me or Aubrey it's gonna be me the most glaringly obvious thing about this 0.99

00:03:44.980 photo it's like this is a blatantly gay man it's fine but that is I think the human response to

00:03:52.600 this photo so gay so gay it's a very gay man yeah so in pulling together a bio of his it was

00:04:00.420 difficult to do not because there hasn't been a lot written about him but because he was known 0.95

00:04:07.240 to lie about a lot of things about his background also lying about random stuff in your life for no

00:04:15.260 particular purpose also very gay in my experience yeah he would tell people that his mother was 0.70

00:04:22.100 elizabeth of germany as if she was like a noble woman or aristocrat or royal or something

00:04:29.860 he was known to lie about his birth year he was known to lie about his nationality i have had men

00:04:36.480 on dates lie to me about their SAT scores. And I'm like, you're 37. Who do you think you're

00:04:43.520 impressing this? I don't care. I feel like that's our culture. That's representation.

00:04:49.660 So in reality, confirmed by like government records, he was born in Hamburg in September

00:04:56.060 1933. His father was named Otto. He owned an evaporated milk business. His mother was not

00:05:05.840 elizabeth of germany she was a lingerie saleswoman from berlin so she was of germany

00:05:11.820 that part's true she was of germany and her name was elizabeth i am mike of columbia city

00:05:16.620 that's technically true yeah i guess i'm aubrey of forest grove that actually sounds royal so

00:05:23.640 lean into that he had two sisters and we have a little clip of him talking about his childhood

00:05:32.240 So we're going to watch about a minute of this.

00:05:36.140 Carl, can I take you back when you were growing up in a town very close to Denmark in Germany?

00:05:42.800 And I just would like to ask you a little bit about your childhood.

00:05:46.960 My childhood is very simple. I only wanted one thing, to get out of there and to be grown up.

00:05:51.720 I hated to be a child. That's why I could speak English, German and French when I was six.

00:05:57.300 No, I had a nice childhood in a period when the world was not that great.

00:06:00.880 There's nothing I can say against.

00:06:04.760 I'm not still recovering from an unhappy childhood.

00:06:08.800 No, everything was perfect.

00:06:10.260 I never played with children.

00:06:12.080 I only was sketching and reading.

00:06:14.340 I was in a country, I stayed quite isolated.

00:06:16.740 No, I didn't even have anything to do with my sister and half-sister.

00:06:20.280 I always was isolated from the rest.

00:06:22.960 I was on the best of terms with my father

00:06:25.520 and even better terms with my mother

00:06:27.460 who thought it was perfect like this.

00:06:29.900 as long as I was not creating trouble.

00:06:33.380 It's kind of a rich text.

00:06:35.280 Tell me.

00:06:35.980 He's in a country house,

00:06:37.200 so he's very wealthy growing up,

00:06:39.440 but he's also very isolated.

00:06:41.400 But it sounds like from his description

00:06:42.960 that he's self-isolated,

00:06:44.560 that he doesn't feel like he's a native

00:06:46.440 of the place where he's growing up.

00:06:48.960 He isn't on bad terms with anybody.

00:06:50.940 It's not an abusive childhood.

00:06:52.680 It's simply one that he wants to escape.

00:06:54.880 That is how I took this clip as well.

00:06:56.760 And then I read his biography

00:06:58.000 and I was like, nope.

00:06:59.480 incorrect so he describes this as a quote-unquote perfect childhood right what he does not mention 0.98

00:07:09.280 is that he's born in fucking germany in 1933 this is nazi germany when he's growing up yep 0.95

00:07:15.860 and then post-war destroyed germany when he's a teenager uh-huh according to his biography this 0.98

00:07:21.820 is called kaiser karl it was a good little read he distanced himself from germany and his german

00:07:28.260 heritage starting in his teens he would tell people that he was from an aristocratic swedish

00:07:34.240 family or people would guess that he was dutch and he would just like not object even when he

00:07:40.320 was ordering german food in france he lived in france for his whole adult life he would order

00:07:47.560 them using the french words for german foods he was calling them freedom fries before we were

00:07:52.820 calling them that he also says in this that he's on good terms with his father and maybe even better

00:07:57.640 terms with his mother every anecdote that i have found or read about his mom is a little bit funny

00:08:06.080 like five to ten percent funny and 90 to 95 percent devastatingly cruel oh what are some

00:08:13.480 what are some of them according to him she never went to one of his shows and when he asked her 0.99

00:08:18.140 about it she said she just liked other designers better oh fuck in a book of his called the world 0.54

00:08:24.160 according to Carl, he said that his mother said, quote, I'm going to have to take you to the 0.99

00:08:29.040 upholsterer. Your nostrils are too big. They need curtains. Oh, God. He also wrote in the

00:08:35.800 Carl Lagerfeld diet, or he said, she did go on a diet after my birth. From that moment on,

00:08:41.480 I was always held responsible for her weight. She used to say jokingly that I had killed off

00:08:47.620 her youth and beauty. Whoa. Funny joke, mom. She also seems to be displaying the kind of

00:08:53.380 acid wit that you see in a lot of gay men including carl lagerfeld yeah this is the kind 0.97

00:08:58.960 of frigid mother that people were being told at this time would result in a gay kid and in this 0.73

00:09:04.000 case for whatever roll of the dice happened it really matched yeah you know it really did it 0.96

00:09:09.260 turns out that pseudoscience is correct if your mom is mean you will be gay yeah so in the 1950s 0.59

00:09:18.380 he moves to Paris. He's in his late teens and early 20s. His father bankrolls his lodging, 0.83

00:09:28.040 his clothing. He buys him a Mercedes, all kinds of stuff. And Karl Lagerfeld moves into the world

00:09:34.660 of fashion alongside Yves Saint Laurent, who became a really close friend and a sometimes

00:09:40.960 sort of rival of his okay in 1954 he won the international walmart prize which was

00:09:48.260 very prestigious at that time in fashion the judges were balmain and givenchy it's pronounced

00:09:55.120 givenchy but go ahead

00:09:56.340 by the late 60s he started working for fendi and was hired on to modernize their fur line

00:10:08.320 an extremely 60s statement yeah he worked at Fendi for the rest of his life he was there

00:10:16.780 until he died oh in a sort of part-time role and in 1983 he added another job when he became the

00:10:23.640 creative director of Chanel where he stayed for 36 years wow it was about 10 years after the death

00:10:31.400 of Coco Chanel and people saw the brand as one that was sort of on its way out yeah and he

00:10:38.080 took the brand in a new direction. He started doing ready-to-wear stuff from Chanel, which it

00:10:42.420 had not done before, and really was credited with reviving the brand. It's like how Abercrombie

00:10:48.700 and Fitch was some weird hunting brand. And then in the 90s, they were like, let's move over to

00:10:53.360 gay baiting. And then it became this massive sensation. There is some writing about his

00:10:59.300 design at this time. Vanessa Friedman with the New York Times described it as, you know, they had

00:11:05.460 all of these designers who were speaking exclusively with their own voice, right,

00:11:10.320 and had very strong perspectives, and that the appeal of Karl Lagerfeld was that he could be

00:11:15.600 this kind of chameleon, and he could go to different brands and go, okay, the key thing

00:11:22.000 about this brand is this kind of look, and I'm going to take it to the next level.

00:11:26.260 Oh, so he's like the J.J. Abrams. They bring him on, and he's able to speak through this

00:11:31.240 existing property.

00:11:32.360 All of his designs had a lens flare.

00:11:34.420 Yes.

00:11:35.460 wait can we look at some designs i want to look at some do you want to yeah i didn't pull any

00:11:44.240 designs let's let's google together sure oh my god i found a stunning one send me the ones that

00:11:51.780 are speaking to you here you go i'm like quivering in anticipation here's this is just a whole post

00:12:00.640 that's like here's his career in fashion okay so the first one is a chloe design that is i'm very

00:12:07.860 into it oh you mean the one where the woman is in a business suit type of thing was that show in

00:12:13.400 1983 yes it was wow shoulder pads power blazer short hair it's a lady wearing a man's blazer

00:12:21.500 and nothing under it essentially with a pocket square oh yeah the pocket square yeah oh and

00:12:27.660 the next one is like pinstripes with a corset yeah yep oh it's a dog collar but it's a dog

00:12:36.260 collar with piano keys on it and then do you see the next one down the electric guitar dress

00:12:41.680 all right swing and a miss carl not for me oh and there's like a little black dress

00:12:49.100 with just waves of sequins on it a little embellished oh and then okay i'm into this 0.99

00:12:56.720 This is like some royalty shit. 0.99

00:12:58.980 It's a white, bridal, like a wedding dress, but like a tight white dress. 0.99

00:13:03.600 And then she has this, God, how would you even describe it, Aubrey?

00:13:06.960 It's like a coral reef on her shoulders.

00:13:09.100 It is totally like a coral reef on her shoulders.

00:13:12.380 That's exactly right.

00:13:13.560 It's sort of this structured cape that kind of balloons out.

00:13:18.000 And it has sort of a sweetheart neckline to it, which is also fascinating.

00:13:21.960 Oh, yeah.

00:13:22.500 It has a little widow's peak in the middle.

00:13:23.940 okay then the next one down is like black leather and i think it's kind of boring and then the next 0.94

00:13:28.640 one is just like nipples poking out whoa there you go 1994 nips on the runway oh wow okay and 0.78

00:13:36.720 then this this is like some like africa inspired like kind of cringe oh carl appropriation stuff 0.93

00:13:43.440 quote-unquote tribal inspired like vaguely african you know yeah yeah and then we're back to sort of 0.94

00:13:49.840 normal office wear scroll down to the bikini the chanel bikini oh my fucking god okay now we're 0.99

00:13:56.440 back to the weird dada shit it's like tiny yarmulkes yeah so like little tiny half dollar 1.00

00:14:04.800 size moons on a bikini over somebody's breasts and then this lady there's so many pelvic bones 0.99

00:14:11.340 i haven't seen as many pelvic bones in years another bridal dress i sort of see what you mean

00:14:16.320 in that there isn't like a choreographer look i don't know that there's an aesthetic that is

00:14:22.720 running across all of these looks yeah not when he's designing for other brands he also launched

00:14:28.120 his own brand ah okay but yeah he's sort of a shapeshifter here right yeah he in his fashion

00:14:35.300 shows he sort of courted controversy throughout his career so in the 60s he made a big splash at

00:14:45.500 one point by designing the shortest miniskirts that had hit the runway yet which in the 60s was

00:14:51.380 like a big going concern right yeah in the early 90s he used an italian porn actor as a model for

00:14:59.280 one of his shows what's wrong with that everyone ask anna winter she walked out what so he had

00:15:06.460 this incredible sort of storied career in fashion he died a couple of years ago in february of 2019

00:15:13.440 he was 85 and he died of pancreatic cancer before we dig into sort of his public comments i did

00:15:22.700 want to talk about his a couple of parts of his legacy he has sort of a weird pop culture legacy

00:15:29.100 he voiced a character in grand theft auto

00:15:32.240 of all the three word phrases i didn't think i would hear in this episode

00:15:39.860 part of that sort of weird imprint that he has left on the world is his relationship with his

00:15:49.660 cat in that first picture that i sent you he's holding a cat his cat is named chupette

00:15:55.800 he was completely and utterly devoted to this cat one year after getting her he designed a

00:16:06.320 whole collection around this sort of pale cornflower blue which was the color of her eyes

00:16:12.640 okay in 2013 he told cnn quote there is no marriage yet for human beings and animals

00:16:20.980 i never thought that i would fall in love like this with a cat uh slightly inartful wording

00:16:27.120 there's probably a better way to put that uh no because he then went on to say yes i would marry

00:16:31.840 my cat if it were legal so it's like oh so what you really mean is and he's like no no no literally

00:16:40.620 i literally mean this i am in romantic love with my cat let me clarify it is estimated that at the

00:16:48.760 time of his death he was worth between 200 and 270 million dollars is he one of those people that

00:16:53.300 left all of his millions to his cat in his will oh michael why would you spoil it this way

00:16:59.320 so that's the rumor oh okay she definitely like has her own bank account that has been confirmed 0.99

00:17:11.260 there is a cat bank account she has a pet agent i'm uncomfortable with this she has two assistants 0.99

00:17:18.940 she has a bodyguard and she has a personal chef every rich person who leaves their money to their

00:17:26.580 cat the estate tax goes up by five percent how's that you guys as a group you're losing your

00:17:32.860 privileges yeah this is the reverse of like you can have a pet when you've proven you're

00:17:37.480 responsible enough to take care of it prove you're not making society worse sorry guys

00:17:42.380 so that's carl lagerfeld's sort of life in very broad brushstrokes right and his cat's life and

00:17:51.780 even broader strokes you know the thing that i would say i know carl lagerfeld for best as

00:17:58.700 someone who's not necessarily like a deep fashion person is as a public figure and he said not just

00:18:07.760 controversial things but like over the top racist things deeply anti-fat things astonishingly

00:18:16.820 misogynist things so we're gonna we're gonna take a little tour i'm going to send these quotes to 0.89

00:18:24.240 you i apologize in advance but i think it will also be fun this guy sucks i'm gonna start us off 0.81

00:18:31.200 a little easy okay level level one problematic level one here you go if i was a russian woman 0.96

00:18:37.740 i'd be a lesbian russian men are really not very good looking there are a few handsome ones like

00:18:43.180 naomi campbell's boyfriend but there you see the most beautiful women and the most horrible men 0.94

00:18:47.940 yeah that's that's like a level one it's bad yeah it's mostly just like why would you say that yeah

00:18:54.420 it's kind of like pointlessly mean here is another one for you this is uh i don't know level two level

00:19:01.220 three all right now we've we've bashed russian men what's the next group we're gonna we're gonna 0.98

00:19:06.380 take down fat moms that's who you've got fat mothers with their bags of chips sitting in front 1.00

00:19:13.620 of the television and saying that thin models are ugly the world of beautiful clothing is about 0.99

00:19:18.620 dreams and illusions it's just again though pointlessly mean yep that's right he also said

00:19:24.080 in that same interview quote no one wants to see curvy women i'll tell you who begs to differ and

00:19:29.960 that is pornography websites yeah that's also just inaccurate just empirically inaccurate it's just

00:19:35.700 not true yeah and i mean also i think like quite a bit of the stuff that carl lagerfeld did and

00:19:41.600 said in the press was just stating how things work in the fashion industry right like he would

00:19:48.720 talk about not wanting fat people to wear his clothes because nobody wants to look at them

00:19:52.560 but also none of the other couture houses were designing anything for plus size people and i

00:19:58.660 don't think any of them do now right right aside from occasional stunt casting and runway shows

00:20:04.240 He was just sort of saying it out loud. And that was the part that people often responded to. So I have sort of a mixed reaction to all of this. Right. He says these terrible things and he gets held accountable. But also a sort of unintended side effect of that is that he becomes sort of a scapegoat. And we sort of walk away with the impression that like other designers are somehow better because they're not saying it in the press.

00:20:28.740 right because the other houses if you ask them why don't you have plus size people in your shows

00:20:34.400 they would give you some euphemism bullshit our brand has a particular look and our traditions

00:20:39.460 go back a long way and this is what we're called blah blah blah blah blah takes a lot of effort

00:20:43.500 to become size inclusive and we want to be sure that we're doing it right so we're not ever gonna

00:20:47.680 do it whereas if you're just like yeah i don't like looking at fat people because fat people 0.96

00:20:51.480 suck yeah that's basically their belief they're just saying it in this completely different way 0.94

00:20:55.520 are like making excuses in addition to all of that he in the press said that adele was quote 0.99

00:21:02.000 a little too fat oh fuck off and then he apologized to her and said his remarks were taken out of 0.99

00:21:10.700 context because he was really talking about lana del rey famously too fat it's just a really immature 0.99

00:21:17.580 way to be a public figure yeah and also these kinds of quotes attract more journalists because

00:21:23.440 they know they're going to get good quotes out of you and they know that they're going to get

00:21:26.960 clicks on their stories and attention on their stories because you're not saying something 0.99

00:21:30.380 boring and anodyne and it's a minimum of three stories right it's like you say something fucked 0.68

00:21:35.740 up about a person or a community that person or community responds and then you respond to their 0.56

00:21:41.200 response yeah yeah so here are a bunch of those a minimum i'm just going to do some quick hits of

00:21:45.640 like personal insults lightning round lightning round he said heidi klum was quote too heavy and

00:21:51.120 has too big a bust to be a runway model he said that kate middleton was a romantic beauty but that

00:21:57.460 he didn't like pippa middleton's face and she should quote only show her back oh my god he 0.99

00:22:02.940 said that lady die was quote so pretty and so sweet but she was stupid okay and about seal 0.87

00:22:09.460 heidi coombs then partner he said quote i am no dermatologist but i oh my god mine looks better 0.99

00:22:15.900 than his he is covered in craters why this is like middle school stuff it's nonsense he also

00:22:23.800 picked a fight with meryl streep which is maybe i'm gonna go after adele seal and meryl streep

00:22:33.220 just throw in beyonce bananas so like he told womanswear daily that he'd been working on an

00:22:39.920 oscars dress for meryl streep but that one of her reps called him and said that he didn't need to

00:22:45.480 anymore because they found someone who would pay her to wear the dress okay so in women's wear daily

00:22:51.760 he said quote a genius actress but cheapness also no he later said that he misunderstood and that

00:22:59.040 wasn't true but that was like after the interview went out meryl streep released a statement saying 0.88

00:23:04.400 that he had quote unquote defamed her and the designer that she chose it's just dick behavior 0.96

00:23:09.840 it's just dick behavior total dick behavior we are now going to move into extremely bananas 0.98

00:23:18.160 racism okay so now we're like problematicness level to this like usda choice prime yep 0.96

00:23:24.340 problematicness this is a photo shoot that he did with claudia schiffer in 2010 oh well oh that's

00:23:34.200 okay yellow face and black face yeah it's like it's a black and white thing sort of like passport

00:23:39.760 photos and it's different looks so one she's like a sort of office lady and one she's marie

00:23:46.960 antoinette and then in one she's like an asian lady and then the other one she's like a black 0.87

00:23:52.600 lady yeah that's like the whole she has an afro and like some blackface on it's not great that's

00:23:58.540 pretty bad in addition to that he said this about michelle obama i was just gonna say after he went 0.61

00:24:06.160 after adele and meryl street was like who's next michelle obama what other like beloved public

00:24:11.680 figure i mean here it is i'm so sorry that i'm making you read this god it says my favorite

00:24:18.040 line of mrs obama is when a journalist asked her if she thought her skirts were not too tight 0.95

00:24:22.400 and she answered why don't you like my big black ass this is a line i admire she got me with that 0.96

00:24:28.540 Is that that's not a real quote. 0.97

00:24:30.400 Please read the next quote that I just sent you.

00:24:32.140 Oh, OK.

00:24:33.060 Christina Shaikh, director of communications for First Lady Michelle Obama, released a statement regarding Lagerfeld's comment saying Mrs. Obama never made that statement. 0.98

00:24:41.780 Correct. 1.00

00:24:42.300 So he fabricated an event in which a black lady said, why don't you like my big black ass? 1.00

00:24:48.440 Either this is something he invented whole cloth from a deeply racist brain, or it's an anecdote that somebody else told him, and he believed it with a deeply racist brain. 1.00

00:25:00.700 Also, Michelle Obama's skirts aren't too tight.

00:25:04.140 Like, the whole premise of the story doesn't make any sense.

00:25:06.640 It's weird. 0.86

00:25:07.880 She dressed beautifully, I think, but generally pretty conservatively, as first ladies tend to do.

00:25:14.860 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:15.180 We are now moving in to the industrial strength, clear the room shit. 0.99

00:25:22.540 In 2017, he said a thing that is a little bit confusing, but definitely both deeply Islamophobic and deeply anti-Semitic. 0.98

00:25:33.860 In France, he's talking about Angela Merkel, who he was not, not, not a fan of.

00:25:39.900 Okay.

00:25:40.260 Mostly around her immigration policies, which he thought were too lax and too permissive. 0.92

00:25:46.160 And that sort of Germany was like losing its sense of self.

00:25:48.580 This is a common argument amongst the far right in Germany.

00:25:51.340 Yes?

00:25:51.740 Yes.

00:25:52.300 She allowed in roughly 1 million Syrian refugees in a country of 80 million people.

00:25:56.760 I'm so sorry for making you read this.

00:25:58.700 Here we go. 0.99

00:25:59.660 One cannot, even if there are decades between them, kill millions of Jews so you can bring 0.99

00:26:04.640 millions of their worst enemies in the place. 0.60

00:26:06.980 i know someone in germany who took a young syrian and after four days said 0.98

00:26:11.280 the greatest thing germany invented was the holocaust holy shit right so he's saying that 0.94

00:26:19.580 young syrian was saying that the greatest thing germany invented was the holocaust 0.99

00:26:25.380 but also he's fucking saying it this is something you see in a lot of reactionary rhetoric 1.00

00:26:31.120 they'll be like oh it's not me it's syrian refugees hate jews syrian refugees hate gays 1.00

00:26:36.140 This is the Dave Chappelle trans people bullied my trans friend into dying by suicide. 0.97

00:26:41.960 Yeah, he's using a minority group to stigmatize another one.

00:26:46.540 Yeah.

00:26:46.920 So after this talk show appearance where he says this, right, he also drew a political cartoon that was published in a magazine in Germany.

00:27:00.940 it showed hitler thanking angela merkel oh my god while merkel says what have i done that's not even

00:27:10.920 a good joke that's not even a political cartoon it is a magic trick rhetorically speaking to be

00:27:17.480 like what if people who support people of other races are the real nazis what about that that's

00:27:25.780 why everyone hates hitler because he was nice to minorities okay are you ready for more industrial

00:27:30.540 strength. So Karl Lagerfeld had some things to say about a model setting boundaries. We'll start

00:27:39.520 there. He says, I read somewhere that now you must ask a model if she's comfortable with posing.

00:27:46.120 It's simply too much. From now on, as a designer, you can't do anything. If you don't want your 0.50

00:27:50.600 pants pulled about, don't become a model. Join a nunnery. There's always a place for you in the 1.00

00:27:55.280 convent neat uh after he said that rose mcgowan called for a boycott of chanel which i'm just like

00:28:02.440 sure i don't i will continue to boycott chanel i guess real social justice warrior here aubrey

00:28:08.940 has never bought an article of clothing from chanel it's really interesting as i read these

00:28:13.860 quotes and as i reread them after having read his biography i was just thinking about how

00:28:20.220 if you have a parent who is as intensely judgmental and rejecting as his mom was

00:28:29.080 I could see how you get to what are you complaining about I never complained I had 0.99

00:28:33.540 to deal with all this shit and I just figured it out right like that's like not an uncommon response 0.90

00:28:37.520 yeah I sort of came to think of him as a guy who never had a chance but also never wanted a chance 0.99

00:28:44.080 this is also a challenge I think to social progress in some way because there's always

00:28:48.720 a population of people who lived during the time that you're trying to change yeah think of

00:28:53.840 something like spanking your kids when you're saying well spanking your kids is bad and people

00:28:58.280 probably shouldn't do it anymore there's this massive population of tens of millions of people

00:29:02.320 who are like well i got spanked yeah like yes that's that's what people are trying to change

00:29:06.820 correct that's the problem yes so michael i have a little tiny palate cleanser for you okay thank

00:29:13.540 god i have a fondness for sweatpants oh yeah i don't know how you feel about sweatpants in them

00:29:18.520 right now delightful well you'll be glad to know what carl lagerfeld has to say about sweatpants

00:29:24.140 oh yeah he says sweatpants are a sign of defeat you lost control of your life so you bought some

00:29:32.660 sweatpants that's true in my case it's absolutely accurate i take back everything i said about him

00:29:39.020 previously anyway so that's the public legacy of carl lagerfeld i'm so sorry it is deeply

00:29:48.300 embarrassing that the fashion industry didn't drum this guy out years ago right it's always so weird

00:29:55.020 to me when industries hold on to figures like this for so long as if they're so irreplaceable

00:30:01.180 can you just get someone who doesn't really say anything publicly about hitler except he's bad

00:30:06.840 yeah i mean okay are you ready to dig in to the carl lagerfeld diet book time yes first things

00:30:16.260 first i am going to pull up a picture of the cover have you seen the cover of the carl lagerfeld

00:30:22.640 diet no here you go oh skinny jeans time skinny jeans and boots boot cut jeans over the boots

00:30:30.980 is that what boot cut means they're supposed to go over your boots like that yeah they're like

00:30:35.060 skinny jeans that end in bell bottoms it looks insane he has like galoshes on it looks like

00:30:41.160 they're spats it looks like he's wearing denim spats i am not into it but also this is like so

00:30:47.500 this this book was released in 2002 in germany in 2005 in the u.s so it's also like a different

00:30:55.420 yeah it's a different time yeah wait is he a short king he is not he is 5 11 i thought i thought he

00:31:01.480 was one of my people but also he's a huge racist misogynist so i don't actually want him in my team

00:31:08.240 So it says the Karl Lagerfeld diet, but then I guess the author, it says Dr. Jean-Claude

00:31:14.660 Oudray.

00:31:15.500 Yes.

00:31:16.200 So Karl Lagerfeld didn't write it.

00:31:17.920 He did not write it, nor did he design the diet.

00:31:21.040 He went to this doctor and he said he wanted to be, quote unquote, a perfect clothes horse

00:31:26.340 at 132 pounds and 5'11".

00:31:29.380 Wow, that's thin.

00:31:31.080 That is thin.

00:31:31.940 So that is what we are seeing on this cover, presumably, is that weight, right?

00:31:36.320 so he lost 92 pounds in about 13 months is his claim doing this diet what he doesn't talk about

00:31:45.680 very much publicly is that he started putting on weight when his partner died oh his partner was

00:31:51.720 named jacques he tested positive for hiv in 1984 and died in 1989 in his final days by all accounts

00:32:01.160 he sort of self-isolated quite a bit and only allowed Carl to visit him. And Carl had an extra

00:32:07.280 bed or cot put in his hospital room so he could stay around the clock. So this is like potentially

00:32:15.440 to be linked, right? This like major traumatic event. It's also so frustrating to me that people

00:32:21.120 can go through experiences like this and somehow not pick up empathy along the way. Yeah. If you've

00:32:28.260 gained weight after a traumatic event you'd think okay zooming out obviously this person's gonna

00:32:33.760 have more empathy of like fat people yeah no it's so rough to read about it because you're like

00:32:40.020 boy oh boy my heart breaks that's a horrible horrible experience and then after that is when 0.97

00:32:47.320 he started all of his media trolling shit yeah so i read the entirety of the carl lagerfeld diet 0.78

00:32:56.760 And it was fun at times, and mostly just an astonishing waste of my time.

00:33:04.780 Did you make any recipes?

00:33:06.740 I made no recipes because I don't have rabbit to braise at my house. 1.00

00:33:12.340 It is so fancy and so French and still so joyless. 0.88

00:33:17.100 So the book itself is Karl Lagerfeld branded, but it's written by Jean-Claude Udre. 0.94

00:33:23.540 there are two different forwards one written by each of them and they take totally different

00:33:30.640 tacks jean-claude udres is all about the obesity epidemic and how a diet like this will help fight

00:33:37.020 it and save society from what he sees as individuals bad choices he talks about how like 0.77

00:33:42.780 fatness didn't used to be a problem in france but now french women are eating like americans 0.96

00:33:48.020 So they're getting fat like Americans. 1.00

00:33:50.800 And he also sort of seems like he's going to be compassionate about it for a minute. 0.95

00:33:56.300 Here's what he has to say about fat people in that foreword.

00:34:00.780 Oh, no.

00:34:01.800 He says, overweight people who are more and more numerous are paradoxically the unloved of our time.

00:34:08.280 They are rejected, sometimes insulted, discriminated against, and they have more difficulty than others in finding work and their place in society.

00:34:15.340 if they don't end up isolating themselves they find themselves isolated by others

00:34:19.960 weight bias it's a problem it's a problem that's why you gotta get thin definitely don't make

00:34:26.200 things better for fat people just get yourself out of there i love the thing where they just

00:34:29.820 mention weight stigma in these books and then just like do nothing with it yeah that's right 0.99

00:34:34.720 like fat people are stigmatizing us anyway here's how not to be fat and why fat people suck and how 0.96

00:34:40.860 you're gonna die carl lagerfeld's meanwhile is entirely about vanity nice and it is absolute 0.99

00:34:50.000 fucking word salad oh yeah this is a longer quote that is a moment where i kind of appreciate him 0.98

00:34:57.380 for being honest with readers about where he's coming from it says if you attach no importance 0.98

00:35:03.240 to weight problems if not being able to wear new trendy small size clothes does not cause you any

00:35:08.700 regret, this book is not for you. Health reasons are an excellent motive for losing weight, and

00:35:13.820 for some, they are truly vital. But if you are lucky enough not to need to go on a diet for such

00:35:18.780 reasons, there's nothing to stop you from pretending to others that health is indeed

00:35:22.780 your motivation in order to avoid having to explain to them that your true, deeper motives

00:35:28.180 have nothing to do with health. At least it's not disingenuous, right? I mean, actually, Aubrey,

00:35:33.880 how do you feel about this about people who do restrict you know food restrictions exercise

00:35:39.720 whatever they're like i want to have a six-pack i'm gonna spend the next six months doing that

00:35:42.920 i mean i feel like with all of this stuff like people get to do whatever they want with their

00:35:47.000 bodies and if they want to pursue bodybuilding or weight loss or whatever like go to town

00:35:53.720 i don't particularly mind i do feel often like people are not in touch with their actual

00:36:01.280 motivations for doing stuff like this right and people who go i'm doing this for my health and

00:36:07.100 i'll go oh what's is there like a particular health condition is there something and they're

00:36:10.960 like no i just need to like get healthy and i don't look healthy and i don't and i'm like i

00:36:15.660 would honestly prefer in that case that they just go look man i feel like i'm fatter than i want to

00:36:20.640 be i personally have a preference for that because then at least it's honest and i can meet them with

00:36:26.180 my own honesty and say that's fine i don't really want to hear about it is that okay right and like

00:36:30.880 we're all in the honesty together. Right. Versus if you say to someone who's sort of doing this

00:36:36.800 amorphous, I want to lose weight, quote unquote, for my health sort of broadly. Right. If I then

00:36:42.980 say, hey, I don't really want to talk to you about this. This person like will often then have an

00:36:48.320 outsized reaction of like, don't you care about my health? Don't you care that I'm doing something

00:36:52.100 good for myself? Right. The blowback is much greater, I find, when folks are less honest and

00:36:59.260 grounded about it with themselves well there's also i mean one of the problems with the health

00:37:04.580 disguise that a lot of this vanity stuff wears is that it then implies a universal rule that

00:37:11.560 everybody has to be thin because thin is healthy yeah whereas you could defend the i want to get

00:37:17.120 a six-pack thing as well yeah you have a goal for yourself it's the same way like i want to be able

00:37:22.060 to run a 10k by the end of the year i don't really care if anybody else runs a 10k i'm doing this as

00:37:27.100 a hobby yeah hopefully maybe it's potentially not going to push them to like be shitty to other

00:37:33.400 people who don't have the same goal yeah but it also plays into the idea that this is like

00:37:38.080 a public act of moral rightness right and that is a social interaction that i have no desire

00:37:45.960 to participate in yeah i have no desire to congratulate people on the accident and privilege

00:37:53.180 of their health. I have no desire to participate in a conversation that devalues a body like mine

00:37:59.740 and lifts up bodies that I have never had and that have always been lifted up. That's the part

00:38:04.740 that is hardest for me is not what other people do with their bodies. It's how they want to engage

00:38:10.460 me. There's also, I guess, the argument that focusing on your own vanity distracts you from

00:38:17.020 who is creating the standards of vanity. Because another thing that he could do, I mean, if he's

00:38:22.680 acknowledging the, I think, reality that in the fashion industry, he will lose standing as a fat

00:38:29.140 person. One reaction to that is like, well, I should lose 90 pounds. Another reaction to that

00:38:34.300 is like, well, the fashion industry should be more inclusive of people who aren't 90 pounds

00:38:38.200 skinnier than me. And I, Karl Lagerfeld, have a fuck ton of power. Right. What would it look like

00:38:44.000 to try to create change? I was going to say he might have done that and we didn't see it. But

00:38:48.320 then I was like, he definitely didn't fucking do that. He definitely didn't do that. He drew a 0.96

00:38:52.060 cartoon because even with the thing of like i'm i'm trying to get a six-pack by january 1st there

00:38:57.740 is the question you know why does that open opportunities for me that i wouldn't have

00:39:02.120 otherwise because that then begs the question who doesn't have those opportunities yeah i mean i

00:39:06.440 think that's right i also think he leans really fucking hard into dieting is a process whereby

00:39:14.260 you can make yourself who you really are oh don't now he's ruining it here's a quote for you 0.71

00:39:20.160 it is a lie to think that appearance does not matter in this day it allows you to live in

00:39:26.000 harmony with yourself a diet does not need to be a philosophical explanation nor all those excuses

00:39:32.080 behind which people often feel the need to take refuge a diet can help us discover or define our

00:39:37.560 real personality we are what we used to be not what we have become it is often possible to go 0.99

00:39:43.540 back with a new beginning a different and encouraging one this is fucking marianne 0.97

00:39:48.480 williamson this is refrigerator magnets just jumbled up put onto the fridge this is soup i 0.95

00:39:54.420 don't even know what he's talking about i don't totally understand but i'm pretty sure i like

00:39:58.760 fully deeply disagree yeah i don't think that diets help people discover their real personalities

00:40:05.760 for example i just sent you the last couple of lines of that quote it was three times as long

00:40:12.220 oh my god and 10 times as incoherent at the start but that also indicates that he doesn't

00:40:16.980 He doesn't actually like know why he's doing this.

00:40:19.700 He does say about the diet itself and about dieting.

00:40:22.720 He says, quote, for me, a diet without complicated instructions is not a diet.

00:40:27.800 It has to be a sort of punishment, something that you have to do, even if you haven't imposed

00:40:33.260 it on yourself. 0.99

00:40:34.320 It just has to suck forever. 0.99

00:40:36.120 It does. 0.99

00:40:37.160 It does.

00:40:38.040 And he says in also in this forward, he says that he sort of expects to the way that he

00:40:43.020 puts it is that he needs to quote unquote follow this diet for the rest of his life i mean again

00:40:48.260 it's honest that seems to be the headline with this book there are numerous studies that people

00:40:52.900 that have taken off weight significant amounts of weight and kept it off and the main through line

00:40:58.040 is ongoing restriction never-ending restriction and a ton of exercise yep hour two hours a day

00:41:04.840 exercise like forever or in the case of like people who were on the biggest loser four to six

00:41:10.940 hours of exercise a day and you still regain weight you just have to be hungry for the rest

00:41:15.680 of your life so should we talk about what the actual diet is oh yeah give me recipes i want

00:41:20.720 to make rabbit it is called the spoon light program okay no joke they don't even start

00:41:27.700 discussing the diet itself until page 82 nice that's like us in this episode i approve there

00:41:36.080 is so much book before there is diet. The diet is basically just a very low fat, low calorie diet.

00:41:42.980 There's no red meat. There's no alcohol. Karl Lagerfeld also says that it's helped him to stay

00:41:48.880 on the diet by knowing that if he wants to eat something, he can just put it in his mouth and

00:41:54.100 then spit it out. Isn't that like some anorexia shit? Isn't that like an eating disorder thing? 1.00

00:41:59.060 A lot of what we're going to talk about is not great. The diet has unlimited diet soda,

00:42:04.940 which was good for Karl Lagerfeld because he reportedly drank 10 Diet Cokes a day.

00:42:09.600 Oh, my God.

00:42:10.320 But also he was sponsored by Diet Pepsi.

00:42:13.180 Oh, there are, as one reporter put it, quote, endless capsules.

00:42:18.100 You have to take a multivitamin.

00:42:19.900 You have to take spirulina.

00:42:21.280 You're supposed to take ginseng.

00:42:23.680 You're also supposed to have multiple protein sachets each day.

00:42:28.920 Would you like to know where you can get the protein packets and the supplements?

00:42:33.360 Oh, God. Is it like on the Champs-Elysees, like one shop in Paris that sells these or something?

00:42:39.640 No, it's a French business called Laboratoire Sunrex.

00:42:44.880 Okay.

00:42:45.420 Would you like to know who the chief medical advisor is for Laboratoire Sunrex?

00:42:51.460 Is it Jean-Claude Udre?

00:42:53.480 Yes, it is.

00:42:54.860 Oh, so he's like promoting his own product. 0.91

00:42:58.000 The diet itself is also really fucking confusing, if I'm honest.

00:43:01.800 There are three different levels, but he doesn't really say, like, who's supposed to do which levels. 0.69

00:43:09.080 Level three, you can do for several months, he says.

00:43:13.620 That's 1,200 to 1,600 calories a day.

00:43:17.320 Level two, which is where Karl Lagerfeld spent most of his time, you can do for several months with medical supervision.

00:43:23.400 That one's 1,000 to 1,200 calories per day.

00:43:27.060 Okay.

00:43:27.340 and level one is eight to nine hundred calories per day and he says you should only do that one

00:43:33.640 for two to three weeks i mean you'll lose weight you sure will can't stick to it very long you'll

00:43:41.140 be miserable and grumpy and you won't get any work done he also says on this diet you are not

00:43:48.180 supposed to get exercise that's such a weird fashion industry thing too because you don't

00:43:55.920 want to have muscles you want to be just reedy and thin so clothes hang on you you don't want

00:44:01.940 to be like buff it's even better than that there's a quote for you oh god okay it says it is

00:44:08.580 unreasonable to ask someone on a diet to undergo any specific exercise regime firstly because you

00:44:15.060 have to really wear yourself out to burn calories and secondly because exercise runs the risk of

00:44:20.720 making you hungry to sum up a little more walking and taking the stairs instead of the elevator

00:44:25.900 won't do you any harm but forcing yourself into action won't do you any good where physical

00:44:31.620 activity is concerned there's only one rule do what you feel like that's what we say 0.97

00:44:36.600 i mean i just love that he's like no no you can't fucking exercise because when you exercise i don't 0.92

00:44:45.040 know if you know this you get hungry so but then he also includes this whole list of things that 0.95

00:44:50.500 burn calories he says you can burn 140 calories an hour by painting a room 130 calories an hour

00:44:59.060 by sewing 280 calories an hour by playing the piano and 160 calories an hour by shopping

00:45:07.060 i mean that's just walking i don't know why shopping is any different than walking 0.79

00:45:10.460 but these all sound fake it's totally fucking fake but i love that he's like

00:45:15.520 you know hypothetically if someone who did this diet maybe someone who's on the cover of this 0.88

00:45:20.220 book wanted to do a bunch of sewing and shopping. He could burn some calories doing those things.

00:45:26.020 This is how much Karl Lagerfeld's hobbies burn calories.

00:45:29.680 He talks about side effects, hunger and fatigue and like constipation and all of this sort of

00:45:37.000 stuff. And he's like, but you know, that'll all stop if you just follow the diet correctly.

00:45:42.640 That's not true. It's wrong.

00:45:45.460 This is like the primary monomyth of diets is that you'll reach some sort of plateau at which point this restriction gets easier, but the restriction gets harder.

00:45:55.840 Your body fights back.

00:45:57.080 There's never a point at which on 900 calories, you're like, oh, I don't feel hungry anymore. 0.99

00:46:02.620 It's like your fucking hair starts falling out in clumps. 0.98

00:46:05.240 He also says that you might start feeling cold all the time. 1.00

00:46:08.920 And I'm like, yeah, I bet that's your body shutting down.

00:46:11.880 You're near to death.

00:46:13.180 and he says you might have some hair loss and you might lose your period but those both of those

00:46:20.540 things are reversible don't worry about super sustainable once you become incapable of

00:46:25.020 reproducing then you'll be fine are you ready to hear about some recipes and meal plans oh yeah

00:46:30.640 give it to me okay give me the days here's a recipe for salmon salad that is in the cookbook

00:46:36.420 You take a head of escarole, one small celery root, two tomatoes, two hard-boiled eggs, eight ounces of smoked salmon, and a vinaigrette.

00:46:46.460 And at the end of that recipe, it says, serves four.

00:46:53.940 I was just, I was opening my mouth to be like, that's not that bad, Carl. 0.99

00:47:00.080 I know, I was like, ooh, I'm in, and then it was like, fucking serves. 0.98

00:47:03.880 Everyone gets two ounces of salmon. 0.97

00:47:06.080 It's also the idea that I would invite people over to experience this misery with me.

00:47:13.280 Like, I'm hungry and sad.

00:47:15.780 Come join me.

00:47:16.840 If you don't like this, I do have some protein sachets that might interest you.

00:47:21.320 I know.

00:47:21.940 He has a confusing one and a half egg omelet.

00:47:25.300 What?

00:47:25.860 One of the recipes is four carrots, eight ounces of green beans, eight ounces of peas,

00:47:32.480 two stalks of celery salt and pepper and unflavored gelatin end of recipe you're just

00:47:39.700 suspending vegetables in jelly like alien resurrection sure i think it's for the

00:47:44.980 person who goes you know what this plate of vegetables looks good but it doesn't have

00:47:48.220 enough hooves in it you know i want this carrot suspended

00:47:54.240 so those are most of the recipes i mean again some of them are really lovely it's a lot of

00:48:02.340 classic sort of french cooking but like stripped of a lot of joy and cream and butter and all that

00:48:08.460 kind of stuff like there's like a low-fat french onion soup which makes me sad i mean so many of

00:48:13.560 these things are literally just like how do i take the joy out of a normal recipe the last sort of

00:48:18.840 major chapter in the book is called slim attractive and fit and it's all about plastic surgery skin

00:48:26.660 care products and dietary supplements, all of which you can get from Laboratoire Sunrex.

00:48:32.720 Of course.

00:48:34.800 They talk a little bit about who the diet is for.

00:48:38.300 Jean-Claude Udre says it is for people with a BMI of over 25.

00:48:42.880 So an overweight or obese BMI, quote unquote, right?

00:48:47.080 If your BMI is under 25, he says like, sorry, you shouldn't do this diet, but you can have

00:48:54.180 liposuction and I do happen to perform liposuction. Oh, so the whole thing is this dude marketing his

00:49:00.420 clinic. 100%. This book is just like cash grab after cash grab after cash grab. Every recommendation

00:49:08.040 for a supplement is like, you can get that at sunrex.com. Unbelievable. It is fully like a 20

00:49:15.020 page product catalog at the end of the book. That's disappointing. Sorry, that's the point

00:49:21.380 in this episode when you get disappointed now i'm now i'm livid everything else has been fine

00:49:25.960 i will say there has been press in the last few years as people have sort of dug this up

00:49:32.840 but at the time there was a writer for the new york times who decided to try the carl

00:49:38.520 lagerfeld diet and wrote about it and then and then they died it's a really good funny like

00:49:44.960 straight up takedown okay she talks about doing the diet and how the protein sachets have to be 1.00

00:49:50.600 mixed with a blender oh so she talks about taking a whole ass fucking blender into the offices of 0.98

00:49:57.860 the new york times by day three on the diet she starts describing parties as quote busby berkeley 1.00

00:50:06.100 scale fantasy sequences of denial yeah because she can't have any snacks because she's only doing 0.95

00:50:12.440 900 calories a day she can't eat shit yeah she says that she did the diet for two weeks and lost 0.95

00:50:19.120 five pounds that's probably dangerous probably not great yeah the way that she describes it 0.99

00:50:25.280 it's like a cartoon where someone watches a person turn into like a turkey leg or like a cupcake or

00:50:31.140 something so as this diet book has sort of resurfaced it's out of print now it's hard to

00:50:38.320 find i paid an inordinate amount of money for the copy that i have so don't do it really yeah it was

00:50:44.980 like 60 bucks no way it's out of print and it is in demand but you're losing five pounds every two

00:50:51.720 weeks sustainable keep on it i'll just do this for 10 more years and then i'll be at my bmi

00:50:58.720 do you have a theory of what actually happened because i'm thinking that like this doctor went

00:51:07.140 to carl lagerfeld and was like i want to write a book promoting my products let me slap your name

00:51:11.940 on it that feels very possible carl lagerfeld also talks in press and in the book about how

00:51:18.000 a bunch of people think he just had weight loss surgery oh okay interesting that to lose 90 pounds

00:51:23.920 in 13 months is really significant yeah there's no real evidence either way yeah this thing about

00:51:32.400 like dr udre created this diet for carl lagerfeld is like just patently false right like that just

00:51:38.980 seems like no way i don't buy it and also it seems like it's a text written by this random doctor

00:51:44.180 and carl lagerfeld wrote a totally incoherent forward but it's not clear that carl lagerfeld

00:51:50.160 had any other creative input into this book at all yeah i think that's probably true he wrote

00:51:56.600 the forward which is like four pages of just like gobbledygook nonsense it's only four pages long

00:52:03.400 It's so, the four pages might actually be generous.

00:52:06.700 I think it's like three and a half.

00:52:08.780 And he provides these little quotes that are like three sentences in each chapter.

00:52:14.400 And they're highlighted in these little pullout boxes.

00:52:16.980 So you're like, oh, here's what Karl Lagerfeld has to say. 0.99

00:52:19.720 And then it's fucking terrible nonsense again. 0.96

00:52:22.340 And he might not even have written those or the foreword. 0.99

00:52:25.300 Yeah, that's right.

00:52:26.220 That's right.

00:52:26.840 Yeah.

00:52:27.280 So there you have it.

00:52:28.500 I will give the final word to a nutritionist with Cooking Light who wrote this about the Karl Lagerfeld diet in 2019.

00:52:37.720 Bottom line, this is really just another quick fix diet plan that worked for a celebrity and is very likely to be hard to implement for the average person living an average life.

00:52:47.380 Yeah.

00:52:47.740 It's a tabloid. It's not a way to live.

00:52:49.660 I actually think the whole thing is ghostwritten by Karl Lagerfeld's cat.

00:52:58.500 Thank you.

Maintenance Phase - January 18, 2022

Diet Book Deep Dive： The Karl Lagerfeld Diet

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