00:03:02.640and I'm grateful to be invited back I'm so grateful you said yes
00:03:10.360so what I could get invited back again and again and again and again
00:03:17.860Patty I just noticed your I want to believe UFO yes poster behind you there are so many things
00:03:25.460i want to believe i want to believe that humans are good that we are capable of change that
00:03:33.660another world is possible patty what do you want to believe i do believe that well that's like i'm
00:03:41.060an x-files nerd so that's where that's what that poster comes from we bought it in roswell new
00:03:46.060mexico but yes i do want to believe that human beings are capable of goodness and kindness and
00:03:54.960that other worlds better worlds are possible absolutely that's that's why i do everything
00:04:01.740that i do that's why i run the foundation that i run the payyourrent.ca that's why i write that's
00:04:08.820you know that that's why i do these things because i i do believe i want to believe that
00:04:15.120other worlds are possible you know that zapatista concept of many worlds you know multiple worlds
00:04:21.540many many a place where many worlds can coexist and we had that before everything went sideways
00:04:29.400right here on this continent we had that we had layered relationships and then and then it all
00:04:38.280went sideways yes capitalism colonialism all the isms patriarchy hegemony i could go on and on but
00:04:48.200instead patty for our listeners who maybe missed you on the podcast before can you tell us who you
00:04:54.300are what are you working on what's coming up for you yeah so uh so patty krawick wabana ngongwe
00:05:01.600um i'm a caribou clan my family uh my father's side is from laxul first nation uh which is
00:05:09.440north and west of thunder bay um i was raised down here in niagara uh with my maternal family
00:05:17.060So I think a lot right now about my grandma who found safety fleeing Stalin, landing in Hitler. And for her, Germany, wartime Germany was a safe place.
00:05:29.840and so i'm thinking about that a lot right now because i mean in you know in terms of the
00:05:36.440legacies we inherit from from our parents because there are a lot of people for whom this world
00:05:42.140that is being built this neoliberal hellscape they're safe in it it's fine it's not harmful
00:05:51.240for them at all none of these things that are being done will hurt them and i don't know how
00:05:57.740to reach them. I don't know how to do that. So I spend my time, I write books. I've got another
00:06:05.320book coming out this fall, Bad Indians Book Club. I wrote... Sorry, it's September. It's coming out,
00:06:11.580right? September, yeah. September of this year, Bad Indians Book Club. I wrote Becoming Kin,
00:06:17.820mostly because I was tired of what people telling me this is not who we are when it is absolutely
00:06:23.320who they are and we can't change things if we don't acknowledge them um my writing right now
00:06:30.520I have a blog thousandworlds.ca um where I'm going through uh traditional Anishinaabe stories
00:06:37.180just looking to see what do they teach me I grew up evangelical right I grew up leading
00:06:43.460bible studies and stuff so you know what I have some skills um how would I apply those to Nana
00:06:48.720and to see what we can learn what we can learn from these stories if we take them seriously
00:06:57.820and not just you know write them off as myths and legends what if we took them seriously
00:07:03.840as real stories that shaped Anishinaabeg thought for thousands of years
00:07:10.720what if we did that how how does that teach us how to live in this world
00:07:17.140because I know my ancestors on my father's side took those stories seriously I know there are
00:07:22.860Anishinaabeg now who take those stories seriously so that's what I'm exploring on my blog and just
00:07:28.200by way of rounding this out you said that you were going to be asking us about story and the
00:07:32.140place of story in our life I love tarot decks I don't usually read them but I love looking at
00:07:40.320them and having them and so I picked this deck up in Portland and it's all tell us what it is
00:07:46.740it's stories each card represents a story from somewhere around the world it's called tarot of
00:07:54.580the divine yeah yeah yeah it's called tarot of the divine and it's inspired by deities folklores
00:08:01.080and fairy tales from around the world so every card is a story and i thought wow okay that's
00:08:06.460really cool if i need writing prompts i'm gonna pull three cards and see what these three stories
00:08:10.200say to each other absolutely I mean in terms of like mythology building our world I mean you just
00:08:17.320have to look at religion this is a you know Christianity Islam Judaism these are all
00:08:24.720mythologies that have absolutely built the world that we're currently living in so it's definitely
00:08:30.800not a stretch to to think about how our mythologies build our reality yeah yeah what kind of what do
00:08:38.080they teach us about world making yeah and what kind of and what kind of stories the ones that
00:08:44.080we've been telling have not gotten us any place good no it's time for new stories absolutely
00:08:49.480granddaughter crow i want to know what you want to believe and i want to know who you are today
00:08:56.600and what you're working on i have your latest book in front of me but i'll let you talk about it
00:09:02.920oh yeah hello from the navajo nation i am a granddaughter crow author podcaster public
00:09:14.340speaker and shapeshifter now yeah why not just throw it out there um so oh gosh what do i want
00:09:25.180to believe honestly I want to believe that people can believe in themselves so a lot of times we
00:09:38.980you know I believe in somebody and I see their goodness and I'm just like could you just please
00:09:46.360see how powerful you are could you just see how brilliant you are could you just see how much you
00:09:53.660matter and in this world I think that that's so necessary and I have theories and thoughts around
00:10:01.180how our internal narrative is being kind of squashed out by the external programming
00:10:08.480and how we truly need to get back into listening to our internal voice and our internal stories
00:10:14.860so that's what I want to believe I choose to believe that so anybody that's out there listening
00:10:23.660Yeah, I believe in you. I believe in you. Out of the ashes, the phoenix rises, right? So what have I got going on? Well, like you said, Amy, I've got shamanism and your shadow just released in February by Granddaughter Crow.
00:10:43.660and it really is the shadow work that you would outline by Carl Jung but approaching it from
00:10:50.700the shamanism aspect which then incorporates the natural world which then helps us to understand
00:10:58.340our shadows are organic if you step outside anything that the sun touches has a shadow
00:11:04.060and so do we don't be afraid let's move forward so many other fun things going on but that's good
00:11:11.760enough for now. And I'm just so happy to be back on the show with these lovely, lovely people
00:11:19.020representing. Always a joy, GDC. We are so down with GDC. And Amanda, again, always beautiful to
00:11:36.580see your face i want to know what you want to believe i want to know who you are today
00:11:43.120i want to know what you're working on i know you've got a big show coming up
00:11:47.420in may please tell us everything hi it's so nice to see you again um i want to believe in love
00:11:58.500me too i wanted to believe that a little bit of love can
00:12:07.360transfer through as energy i want to believe it as an act of resistance an act of prayer
00:12:20.440in an act of, if you put a lot of care into something, then you're actively healing others
00:12:33.400that may have less love inside of them. I think I come from that feeling as somebody that has
00:12:42.640felt heartbroken but also has felt so full and full of abundance and love at the same time or
00:12:51.340not at the same yeah ambivalently so but then also a different moments in time knowing that
00:12:58.760other people's love have and their generosity have helped me through but then also just
00:13:08.160thinking about stories. I did a lot of prayer for the snow, and thus ensuing many snowstorms in
00:13:23.120the beginning of this year. I've been very concerned about climate change,
00:13:29.280and very concerned about how hot it's been how early it's been changing of season the wildfires
00:13:40.340and just seeing that world change and we have um we have a winter spirit I don't know if I'm
00:13:49.760allowed to say its name but I started asking for the winter spirit to visit in November
00:13:58.660So I think that's kind of how I'm arriving today is through trusting the stories that are in nature, trusting the stories that transmute through who you bump into and who you align with.
00:14:23.820and wanting to believe that with small actions new like new worlds are possible and
00:14:39.160And wanting to believe that in tiny acts like removing invasive plants from the ecosystem,
00:14:53.120you can watch that ecosystem rewild itself to kind of things that are on my mind lately.
00:15:03.140um do did i enter do i need to introduce myself okay um
00:15:12.580I go by links, or my spirit name is Jalabdok, which is the one who leaves footprints, and
00:15:39.180my First Nation is at Wagmacook, which is in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. But I'm an urban
00:15:48.940Indigenous off-territory person residing in Ontario right now in Guelph, but kind of been
00:15:58.360around a lot of places. And I don't know who I am anymore. I am an artist. I'm a storyteller.
00:16:08.100I'm a bit of a mystic, and I am just kind of floating around indefinitely trying to see what parts of my identity are tangible, what sticks, and where the next journey is going to take me as I create and try to form new community around me.
00:16:32.760um yeah it's a few things going on but thank you so much for for your honesty like I don't know
00:16:42.320who I am right now I think a lot of people feel that way but we've all been sort of like
00:16:46.760media trained to have our our self-descriptive blurb ready for any sort of like elevator pitch
00:16:54.460that might come up and I think it's more honest to say I don't know I'm still figuring it out
00:17:00.420day to day and i do have to say that we have definitely conjured some powerful nature magic
00:17:07.360the four of us right now because i just heard a a thunder crack it just started pouring rain
00:17:14.320if i disappear it's because the power went out not because i i wanted to leave
00:17:20.420but that's what happens when you get powerful witches in a room together sometimes nature
00:17:27.080just has to chime in and you didn't tell me anything about flash drive though it's flash
00:17:34.720drive right oh yeah that's happening on thursday i've been that's thursday may 1st
00:17:42.520so today yeah oh today because it's gonna air today
00:17:49.160i've been grateful to have been collaborating with um a new media art center
00:18:00.720artist-run center called interaccess who are doing great work in um decolonial practices
00:18:09.080in new media and elevating black indigenous and disability justice um identity group
00:18:18.720artists or identifying artists um and looking at ways to demystify or increase access in like
00:18:27.480certain art fields particularly related to technology and the digital so they're doing
00:18:36.500a fundraiser to um support their new location um in downtown well west end toronto and
00:18:46.080It'll be my first time visiting the new location, and there'll be over 60 artists showing various digital artworks.
00:18:56.880And that show is running for a few weeks, right? So people have time if you're in the Toronto area.
00:22:09.780Our role is to figure out how we fit in with a world that is remaking itself.
00:22:16.060what can we contribute to this what can we bring to this so that it makes in a way that we can
00:22:21.540survive in um you know like amanda talked about you know about winter and doing what they can
00:22:28.400to make a world that you know to participate in this creative thing world making is very creative
00:22:36.340anyway so for me that that's what stories are stories are that connection between us my academic
00:22:42.080style of writing is about disconnection it's about me being over here with the smart people
00:22:47.240telling all y'all what you need to know story is about me sharing myself and how this stuff
00:22:54.480why this stuff matters and why you should care and so for me that's that's the I keep saying
00:23:00.960using connective tissue that's what stories are stories are these things that connect us to each
00:23:05.720other and that's that's why they're so important to me and have you found that it's sort of like
00:23:11.660the storytelling practice is equal parts like one heals themselves by speaking heals others who are
00:23:20.860listening and then also we heal by listening to other people's stories do you experience that
00:23:27.740kind of yes symbiosis reciprocity my son talks about so when um because nishnabemoon is a verb
00:23:36.720based language right it's concerned with processes rather than things um so what he so he he uses
00:23:43.600this example of the like the healer and the medicine and the sick person and it's not that
00:23:50.840the healer comes in uses the medicine and the sick person gets better it's the healer comes in
00:23:56.660and the healer and the medicine and the sick person all work together through song and story
00:24:03.640And that's how healing happens. And so that's exactly what you're saying, is that through these connections, through song, through art, through story, we heal each other. And I find myself an essay, like, you know, I try to put something out every week or so on my blog. And they change me.
00:24:25.220I'm not the same person at the end of the essay that I was at the beginning, because in the process of working through these stories, I've learned something about myself.
00:24:34.760I've learned something about the world around me.
00:24:37.920I'm giving shape to something that might have been lurking.
00:24:43.100And I'm sure Amanda can talk to this about their artwork.
00:24:47.560It gives shape to something that's kind of on the edges and we bring it into being.
00:24:51.900and it does feel like bringing a new being into life into this place and i think that's we do
00:24:58.260that too i talk about that a little bit in bad indians book club that our stories become beings
00:25:03.180in their own right and we all work together that way links do you want to speak to that
00:25:10.620that shaping that shifting that shape shifting the creative process
00:25:19.040It warms my heart. I've been spending time in a circular process of going out on the land, taking walks, watching what's growing, looking at what's blooming in the ground.
00:25:40.900and I was in a conservation area this weekend
00:26:06.320and so many of these native plants that now that I'm learning to identify them and connect with
00:26:19.900them on a spiritual and emotional level or just like a physical tangible level of how can I take
00:26:26.360care of you and how can I tell your stories I've been doing that by being an active study of
00:26:33.400drawing the natural world and when you like use line to like contour it's part of that observational
00:26:42.820process so there are so many things that it tells you through that act of listening and that act of
00:26:52.300observing and observation and sometimes it's an oracle sometimes it's an omen and sometimes
00:27:01.640it's telling the truth sometimes it's showing us the interconnectedness or interwovenness of our
00:27:09.420our human um the human world like the walking world and then the plant world and the animal
00:27:16.940world so the recent artwork um I made were of leopard slugs mating and it was sort of a
00:27:27.320in a day to queer nature and how most gastropods don't have like a static gender they have both0.58
00:27:41.400reproductive organs within them and they just kind of choose when they're gonna mate who they're0.94
00:27:48.120gonna be that day and the leopard slugs have these bioluminescent penises and they both like
00:27:56.560extend as they're um as they dangle mystically through a tree um almost against gravity and
00:28:07.040they're entwined and it makes me feel very impassioned to talk about that um the things
00:28:16.800that are happening right now around people's um challenging of what is gender and the dangers
00:28:25.720that are coming into the world stage because of misinformation and so returning back to the
00:28:34.660animal kingdom and the plant world really tells you a lot about how queer nature is but then also
00:28:42.100how symbiotic and how reciprocal it is as well where there is a interconnected function of
00:28:50.720everything and there's a requirement for somebody to walk through a trail to interact with nature
00:28:57.980around them and so through the art I'm just trying to like bring those stories to people that may not
00:29:05.120be cultivating those relationships or maybe are a little estranged from it to garner the curiosity
00:29:12.200and just say hey isn't this beautiful because if there's one thing that art can do it can
00:29:20.660at least be something cute to look at and be like oh that's pretty even if it's like0.99
00:29:28.380really erotic slug sex bioluminescent penises is gonna live rent free in my head for the rest0.99
00:29:36.900of my life I feel like that's my new band name oh I'll join that band0.99
00:29:41.980what instrument do you want I can do anything bass drums guitar I'll let you pick first and
00:29:50.500i'll take what's left over but i do like um i i know a few people um who use they them pronouns
00:30:00.000not as a gender thing but as an acknowledgement of like the entire ecosystem that is their body
00:30:06.200like all of the bacteria that our bodies aren't just like quote-unquote us but like millions
00:30:13.340of living beings all functioning within this environment i also want to say go ahead we are
00:30:22.000the microbiome that's right like we are in the whole like mycelial network exactly and i also
00:30:31.360want to say that one of the things that i love most about your work links is that it's very
00:30:37.240earthbound it's very natural um but you don't shy away from high tech either so it's this
00:30:46.060really interesting like specifically your artwork is like this meeting place between like
00:30:52.360the primordial life and also like high high high tech do you think that there's um
00:31:02.980like uh attention between those things when you when you do you feel attention when you're working
00:31:10.260or do you just have a I'm better with my hands than I am with my mouth I'm doing lots of hand
00:31:17.080gestures listeners um right now I'm just so is all my words and my tongue all the time
00:31:26.560As I stutter through this podcast, I think as I connect more the sky world and the living world, like the walking world and the underworlds, there's like a technological median space that is like cross dimensional.
00:31:50.040And maybe that sounds really galactic and like woo-woo, but there is tension between the old ways and tradition, but then there's also the way that we have always adapted.
00:32:12.040So adapting to what conditions we're surrounded by and making use of and maybe even in the act of reparations or the act of coexisting with so many different beings now that are newer to like this territory and being very naturally welcoming.
00:32:39.040welcoming but then needing to like be aware of like what all these gifts we bring what is it
00:32:49.320that we're carrying in that medicine and sometimes it means that there needs to be turn-taking
00:32:59.080between um who's holding like what power when i'm thinking about i guess new media and like
00:33:11.700really techie art i think there can be a real danger zone when it comes to like the use and
00:33:19.500exploitation of natural resources to power things that create and generate technology that
00:33:28.000it's almost like the output needs to be worth how much um it costs us those resources are finite
00:33:38.300so in some ways like how much do our stories cost but also there is a continuum of like
00:33:48.040the more you're aware of that trans-dimensional travel or the trans-dimensional communication
00:33:58.680between things that you said primordial so things like little plankton or atoms things that glow
00:34:07.520look a whole lot like the machines that we use that are constantly neon and glowing and there's
00:34:14.220sort of a um a conversation that happens between those things um I don't know if I like brought the
00:34:24.180point back to the center or not but I think it's very it's a place to tread carefully I think I
00:34:34.180because there's a lot to consider in terms of how much you use and how much you share
00:34:43.160and being mindful of like i think patty was sort of speaking to this a little bit or maybe i'm
00:34:50.420curious to see how that relates to your storytelling practice or you granddaughter crow of
00:34:57.280um the intentionality and how you um tell your story with the trust of like someone to who will
00:35:07.660hold your story and take care of it when it gets told i would love to turn to gdc on this because
00:35:17.340mama you're so prolific um you've written so many and published so many books plus you have
00:35:25.540your podcast and i know from my experience it does it does take a lot of trust in the world to
00:35:32.340tell your story. And Patty, I'm sure you agree. You have these moments where, I know I do at
00:35:39.580least, where I'm like, oh, what did I say? What did I write? Is the world going to understand
00:35:45.540the point that I'm trying to make? So maybe this comes back to the healing nature of storytelling
00:35:51.580too. Maybe it doesn't. But GDC, tell me about storytelling and sharing and trust. And if you
00:35:58.500feel like a technology but I really want to hear about how you find your way through to trust the
00:36:06.940world to give yourself so completely to us I just had to laugh because that is loaded I love it I
00:36:20.140first want to say mention that what patty was talking about about being um a little distant
00:36:29.700because you're writing academic i totally get that you know you're safe you get to just go
00:36:36.980i read this here and here is the credible source and based on this according to that blah blah blah
00:36:44.520and um and it's really kind of cool and I do really appreciate academia and half of my first
00:36:53.460half of the book that you hold in your hand right there Amy uh shamanism in your shadow the first
00:36:59.300part is very academic and it was so much more fun and easy to write on one hand but like Patty said
00:37:08.200it was disconnected and then you know links brings up that point of trust and I just sat here
00:37:15.700with my mic on mute because I'm laughing because I'm like do I do I trust do I or is that what I
00:37:23.900should have said what I want to believe I want to believe that I can trust people seriously
00:37:30.940seriously okay so this is this is how it goes for me um I write and then my editor comes back and
00:37:42.180says oh this would be so much more interesting if you would add a little bit of your own
00:37:47.120like examples your personal stories I'm like what I didn't know personal stories it when I started
00:37:58.600doing that a few books back, it was like surgery. It was very raw, too raw, raw, raw. And in addition
00:38:14.300to that, I was in this idea that I lived a life that nobody else has lived. And so why or how
00:38:23.880could they understand but even like what patty said at the beginning i yes i am my father you
00:38:31.340know navajo and wonderful amazing yet reverend of the christian faith so i was raised you know
00:38:40.860and my mother dutch so i was raised in a very dualistic i mean if you want to talk about
00:38:47.480technology versus the natural world or academic versus your personal stories basically what it
00:38:55.020causes us to do is become a bridge at least that's what it causes me to do I have to like
00:39:00.600look at it from point a and then scurry on over to point b and go did that make sense
00:39:06.860and the interesting thing about this path that I have found when I started revealing my own
00:39:14.200personal stories. I was so terrified. I was terrified. I was like, this is not what I signed
00:39:23.700up for. And I was reading stories on how to handle haters. And like, what do I do? Do I need a
00:39:30.140psychologist? Kidding, not kidding. But when I shared, you know what I actually got back
00:39:39.100was community people told me that I articulated something that they didn't know how to articulate
00:39:48.220and although my experience was slightly different in my story the energy of the duality and the
00:39:57.080pressure and the judgment or you have to be this or you have to be that and this is what good
00:40:01.920people do and this is what they don't do. All of that, that theme flows through so many lives
00:40:09.660and it actually me becoming raw actually was more, it was less about me. It was less about
00:40:19.180get to know who granddaughter Crow is, you know, and more about granddaughter Crow's going to show
00:40:26.780you how to have the courage to tell your story and so that I think also speaks to that that
00:40:37.920healing circle between the patient and medicine man and the you know the healing herbs and all of
00:40:42.700that um it speaks to the the understanding of the interweaving that lynx is talking about between
00:40:51.140the natural world and the technology and I mean it goes on and on but it is an interface it is
00:40:58.360connectivity and the difference between storytelling and any other type of connectivity
00:41:06.180is that it's oral you have to say it out loud which means that your ears have to hear you say
00:41:17.160it out loud and then in and of itself begins to almost unfold the next layer of who you are
00:41:24.840because sometimes I say things or I write it in a book and I'm like oh I'll hear somebody say oh
00:41:29.680my god I heard this and I'm like oh my god that's so amazing they're like yeah page 32 your book and
00:41:36.320I'm like there is no way there is no way that that came through so it is it's a it's a spirit
00:41:42.080unto itself, I think that storytelling is very honored within many, many cultures,
00:41:49.720definitely within the Navajo Nation, as it has been an oral culture, and didn't really even
00:41:56.160start recording until like the last 200 years, when I believe a Dutch person came in and tried
00:42:04.240to figure out how to articulate so that we could have a written language, which is great. But it's
00:42:10.480also like huh that's an interesting dichotomy there too so it's interesting because when I tell
00:42:17.180a story I am sharing of my not words I'm sharing of my experience my passion my pain
00:42:31.380and it's relatable even though I might have gone through something different
00:42:37.360and it's helping other people to like with links a picture speaks a thousand words you know so it's
00:42:45.960a story without words and so it is because then people can identify I think that's the key for me
00:42:55.680is in order to do that interconnectivity one must identify with who am I in this story
00:43:04.400who am I in this story like and and it's also very interesting because even when you
00:43:10.420think about childhood stories I'm going to ask the listeners to do this really quickly
00:43:15.020think about a childhood story maybe your favorite childhood story
00:43:18.560once you get it in your mind what character did you identify with
00:43:25.380and journal about that path because that is the doorway a window to more of your authenticity
00:43:34.380um so yeah do i trust i trust the process i trust that i will have the courage to speak my truth
00:43:46.380and i trust that the listener will not necessarily hear my words
00:43:52.260they will hear their truth that's what i trust
00:43:57.180maddie i saw you reacting to gdc talking about dualism and and her own identity becoming a bridge
00:44:08.380do you are how are you working your bridge your your identity bridge building i was reacting to
00:44:15.840so many things i was saying there's just there's just you know i've got you know
00:44:21.460jotting down trust and articulating the things because that's because when i think about becoming
00:44:27.400kin that was written you know for the nice white christian ladies that i grew up with it was written
00:44:32.940for you know migrants and newcomers to come to terms with the canada that they had entered and
00:44:38.000like but what did i have to say to indigenous people that they didn't already know about this
00:44:42.540history right i wasn't telling them anything that they didn't already know um and that was what i
00:44:47.480heard back from people was that i gave them language to articulate the things that they did
00:44:51.520know i gave them i gave them you know i gave them the language and the stories with which to do that
00:44:57.340and so that i'm really grateful for um but yeah that duality of i know i'm ojibwe but i'm going
00:45:07.020to church every sunday i know i'm ojibwe but i'm surrounded by white people and i i'm learning how
00:45:12.100to be ojibwe from watching little house on the prairie which is like not a reliable source of
00:45:16.480information as a child you're thinking about the childhood stories right like these are the
00:45:20.520stories that we grew up with not reliable information at all um well and and then that
00:45:27.380leaves you and i think part of the duality well for me you know what i'm hearing i don't i don't
00:45:35.080want to put words in grand grand granddadder crow's mouth but what i'm hearing is that sense
00:45:39.720of being outside of both worlds right i can't be fully part of the white world that i was raised
00:45:45.860in because i was the brown kid in the white family and everybody was always asking me where are you
00:45:50.680from what are you which is always a charming what are you are you and then when i tell them that i
00:45:57.920was part part native or part indian well what part and then because i was a mouthy kid i would
00:46:03.160say well my heart and my brain my mouth but i still feel that way um you know but definitely
00:46:11.500not my feet because i'm like the most indoor not going for walks indian that you'll ever meet
00:46:15.660um you know but that's but then you don't fully fit in with the indigenous community either
00:46:22.580because they have that whole shared history of background and experience that i don't have0.92
00:46:28.820that adoptees don't have right because we were raised apart and so we do kind of form a bridge
00:46:35.820but it's a bridge based in our outsiderness which is not a terrible place to be there's a lot of us
00:46:44.460in that place all kinds of in all kinds of ways i mean i think a community made of missing witches
00:46:50.920knows exactly what it is to be on the outside being on the outside allows you to be a very
00:46:57.300effective observer yes thank you a very effective observer of this community that i was raised in
00:47:05.120and then also this community that i am also part of that i have you know friends and family and i
00:47:09.820I am connected to the native community. Um, as an adult, I wasn't as a child, but as an adult,
00:47:14.520I am. And I have cousins that I have found in, you know, kinds of relatives. Um,
00:47:20.780and because I'm kind of observing both, I see the, I see connections. I see possibilities.
00:47:28.420I see where, you know what, that Bible story you grew up reading didn't have to be interpreted that
00:47:33.520way. You could read it differently because here's our stories. And, you know, kind of unpacking that
00:47:39.000as I read the other stories you asked about trust and that's really hard because when you
00:47:46.060send your stories out into the world they do become their own thing and you lose control of them
00:47:51.940you know when links puts their artwork out into the world you lose control over how other people
00:47:59.820see it if you want to control your story you got to keep it to yourself you can't share it but then
00:48:06.180what's the point of having a story if you're not sharing it we have to a palestinian storyteller
00:48:11.540i used to have a podcast um and i had a palestinian storyteller on it and she told us this charming
00:48:18.140little story about a fox and then at the end of the story she says and now my bird has flown
00:48:22.840and i thought what a beautiful image for sending our stories out into the world and now a bird
00:48:30.660has flown and where it goes next and what it does is not my control. And so for me, that question
00:48:38.700of trust is about letting go of that control. And if I get haters and, you know, people on social
00:48:45.340media, whatever, you know, they're saying whatever they're saying, I don't engage with unserious
00:48:50.380people you know it's just you know what block mute move on not interested um but you know the
00:49:02.520vast majority of you know kind of sharing granddaughter crow's experience has been
00:49:07.600positive has been people saying well I never thought of it that way you gave me the words
00:49:12.600to talk about it let me add my own story to your story and you know and that's beautiful and I did
00:49:19.720not see what links shared and i want to see it can you describe it while you hold it up
00:49:25.560i keep this card sort of in my work area and it just says control and uh it has like the sign of
00:49:35.780capricorn and jupiter on the bottom so i don't know i was like hey you just said the magic word
00:49:43.400i think it's um oracle of the radiant sun
00:49:50.160oracle of the radiant sun i think that's what it's called the radiant sun part i'm sure of
00:50:00.180and google will fill in the rest oh my goodness look at the time this has gone so quickly but i
00:50:08.760do have a very, very, very important question about a world that is building and rebuilding
00:50:15.200itself. I want to hear from each of you. Excuse me. If it feels comfortable for you to close
00:50:22.460your eyes, please do so. But I want to ask you to tell a story of a world that is rebuilding
00:50:31.700itself and tell me what would a re-indigenized world look like and you're free to be as
00:50:42.020fantastical or as grounded as you choose in this storytelling but patty let's start with you
00:50:50.740please tell me that story oh a re-indigenized world is is a world without borders it's a world
00:51:05.020where you live in your community according to the ways of your community
00:51:12.240and then the further out you get the influence of that community starts to layer with the
00:51:21.300influence of other communities and a lot of us live in those layered people will live in those
00:51:28.760layered spaces sharing the both and of the communities where other people are living
00:51:36.860yes and that that is anishinaabe governance that's how we lived
00:51:45.760and when i imagine a re-indigenized world and i did close my eyes
00:51:51.840that's what i think of is a world without borders with cities or villages or communities however
00:52:00.800those look and we live in our own way and then that kind of radiates out and then if it's a city0.99
00:52:07.600that's living in a bad harmful way they can be cut off until they get their shit together0.99
01:10:23.200plus you get to win prizes you know it's always the inner child i was like oh wow a prize like
01:10:31.120yeah exactly yay so um i always tease um who's down with gdc yeah you know me all you gotta do
01:10:46.500is remember granddaughter crow granddaughter crow.com granddaughter crow on social blah blah blah
01:10:53.780granddaughter crow um support me you can support me through something really easy guys i mean yeah
01:11:02.880buy the books blah blah blah but if you could hop over to my youtube channel granddaughter at
01:11:09.680granddaughter crow really i know yeah you win a prize if you guess that right but if you would
01:11:15.680give me a subscribe so that I too can get on the algorithms map. I have a little bit of a goal that
01:11:22.980I would like to reach. But and then of course, listen to the podcast, you guys, I have some
01:11:29.380amazing people, just like missing witches does. And I love doing the podcast. As far as an
01:11:37.020organization. Once again, I am going to nothing comes straight to my mind. So what I'm going to
01:11:43.720ask the listeners to do is to research a local in your area organization and go and get to know them
01:11:56.980see what they stand for and that you might make some more community or maybe they'll tell you a
01:12:05.440story about what why they exist and you can become connected that connected tissue that you know we
01:12:13.620were talking about by also offering ten dollars skip you know coffee in the morning for one two
01:12:22.260a couple days give it to them and then of course take a picture but really i think mine would be
01:12:28.500uh get reach out and get to know local indigenous non-profit organizations that aren't on social
01:12:38.580media that aren't don't have a website that's up and running they don't they don't know they're
01:12:43.640just there with a big heart they're there with a big heart go out and find them and uh and support
01:12:49.720those people and if nothing else you know missing witches makes it very very easy you know the what
01:12:56.000is it the montreal the women's uh shelter native women's the native women's shelter of montreal
01:13:01.220Yeah. But you're exactly right, GDC. And we've had so many people tell us like, because we encourage you to act locally to get into your community. You know, we all have these wonderful online communities. But none of y'all can help me lift a heavy piece of furniture like you're, you're, you're many hours away at best.
01:13:23.960So it's very important to get into our, like, our local geographical communities.
01:13:30.380We've had so many people tell us, I didn't know this organization existed until I went looking for them.
01:13:36.180And that's exactly what we want you to do.
01:13:39.200Again, make your donation of $10 or more to a local Native women's shelter or any kind of Indigenous support organization.
01:13:47.480Take a screenshot of your receipt and email it to missingwitches at gmail.com with the subject line reparations.
01:13:53.240And you will be entered to win one of 20 fabulous prizes, like thousands of dollars worth of prizes are up for grabs.
01:14:04.760And yeah, links just put in the chat, join a local park cleanup, you know.
01:14:12.240And at this point, it's 2025, and you cannot turn your head without seeing somebody or something that needs help.