Missing Witches - Future Histories Of Black Magic - Black Witch Council 2023 Part 2 with Zoe Flowers, Loli Moon, Thea Anderson, Sherry Shone and OlaOmi Amoloku

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00:00:20.420 Hello and welcome to another episode of the Missing Witches podcast. 0.93

00:00:24.960 I'm Amy, and I'm so super thrilled to be here recording part two of our special Future Histories of Black Magic.

00:00:35.540 It's Black History Month, but the people that I'm in circle with today are creating our Black History of the Future,

00:00:41.960 and we're so grateful to have them.

00:00:43.660 Very quickly, we are joined by Zoe and Sherry and Olaomi and Thea and Loli,

00:00:49.680 and i want to start by asking zoe if you will do a little reading and also if you can introduce

00:01:00.040 yourselves to our listeners who maybe haven't met you before all of you wonderful witches have been

00:01:05.480 on the podcast before i hope that our listeners will go and revisit your episodes if you miss

00:01:09.900 them zoe flowers writer occultist healer hit us with your energy okay thank you thank you amy

00:01:18.020 Thank you, listeners. I'm Zoe Flowers. I am calling in today from the original land of the

00:01:23.540 Podunk, the Paquonic people, and many more here in Hartford, Connecticut. My pronouns are she

00:01:30.680 and they. I'm a Black woman with Black curly hair, red glasses, red lipstick, a Black sweater,

00:01:37.860 and a little necklace, Black necklace. Okay. And the poem I'm going to read is In the Blood.

00:01:44.120 soon and very soon i will disremember how you gutted sucka punched split me in two

00:01:53.220 cracked me wide fed on all that lived leaving only carcass in its place shell-shocked bones 0.94

00:02:00.820 pick dry i rise but like walkers i'm not fully awake ritual slow i begin exercising you from

00:02:07.820 cell memory hypnotize myself to un-love-you cleanse root sacral crown you've helped me

00:02:15.240 become strategic employing ancient recipes visiting the visiting the mat i sit at the

00:02:20.820 baba's feet orisha say you're not the one move on it ain't that deep i'm a shown machete cords

00:02:26.120 that keep us linked carry black onyx between legs burying it in the ground when my cycle is complete

00:02:31.500 when loneliness threatens to overtake me i pull out the receipts all the while reminding myself

00:02:36.920 to breathe ancient message my dna birth civilization i am the one i seek i great

00:02:46.320 grandmother my inner child become obia lady put your name in the freezer stay on duppy alert

00:02:52.040 sprinkle black salt cross my doorway burn yellow blue and white candles bathe in oranges and rue

00:02:58.680 bless my head with myrrh at sunset i am forgetting about you offering cowrie shells offering cowries

00:03:05.440 and honey to the river pineapple to the ocean myself to any enlightened ancestor that will

00:03:10.820 listen I ask Oshun if this is payback for those I kilt she tells me look for sweetness bless all

00:03:17.240 that curse me she is not the source of guilt fully awake or re-clear the roots begin to loosen

00:03:23.700 and you are becoming no thing more than practice in urban legend the more I pray the more your

00:03:30.000 relevance is lessened you have become eight track because it is I that is honey to the bee

00:03:35.160 And soon you will be haint restless, searching for spells to unloose you from me.

00:03:43.420 In the blood.

00:03:46.540 Thank you.

00:03:48.380 So can you tell us who you are and what a little bit about the book that that came from?

00:03:54.360 Because the story behind that book is incredible.

00:03:57.960 Thank you.

00:03:58.580 Thank you so much.

00:03:59.560 So this is my first book from ashes to angels, dust, a journey through womanhood.

00:04:05.940 And, you know, I'm, I'm an occultist.

00:04:08.780 I'm a healer, um, person, gosh, yeah.

00:04:14.880 Um, a curious person in the world and, uh, you know, a magical being happy to be here.

00:04:23.460 A magical being indeed.

00:04:25.160 Thank you so much.

00:04:27.260 you know I will say one more time I took a little trip to Brooklyn last summer and absolutely one

00:04:32.400 of the highlights was getting to meet Zoe Flowers in person having a meal with you and breaking

00:04:38.140 bread it really I'll cherish it until the next time we meet in person again so perfect it was

00:04:45.200 so perfect and magical even the way that it happened it was like yeah yeah it was very

00:04:52.240 witchy and mentally extremely witchy yeah i want to move on to loli moon i will introduce you

00:05:01.040 as mystic moon medicine an astrologer but also as a revolutionary and i want to do that because

00:05:09.580 risa and i attribute and quote you all the time you said to us something to the effect of that

00:05:18.500 we could use astrology to find our place in the revolution. And that struck such a major

00:05:25.660 chord with us. And I apply it elsewhere to outside of astrology, like, how can this help me

00:05:32.000 learn my place in the revolution? So can you introduce yourselves to those who were unlucky

00:05:37.540 enough to miss you last time you were on the podcast? Thank you so much for being here.

00:05:43.240 Thank you so much for having me again. I'm so, so, so honored and very grateful. I'm grateful

00:05:47.060 the whole space with all of you as well happy black history month happy black future month

00:05:52.360 happy black freedom month okay my name is loli moon um i also go by the name efun lola which

00:05:59.420 was given to me by the orisha um i have given myself many labels before in the past and because

00:06:06.280 my focus for this month is freedom i'm going to allow myself to be free of labels i am well known

00:06:13.560 for being an astrologer yes but to keep it simple I'm a natural mystic I am a Canadian Jamaican

00:06:19.120 woman I reside on Algonquin territory and I'm here to take up space unapologetically and

00:06:27.580 authentically as myself and yes part of my reason for being here is to remind people that

00:06:34.900 you have the power yes you know our spear guides our answers etc are here to help us

00:06:40.340 With our path, at the end of the day, we have the power to decide how to react to things.

00:06:45.720 And when it comes to revolution, it is very easy to get very emotional and get very caught

00:06:51.040 up in the tidal waves of what comes with the revolution.

00:06:53.940 But we must remember to stay focused and stay grounded in our bodies.

00:06:57.580 We are spiritual beings having human experiences, and we have a mission to complete.

00:07:03.200 There is no other choice, okay?

00:07:05.660 We are the granddaughters.

00:07:07.320 We are the women.

00:07:08.380 we are the witches who were burnt at the stake and we remember everything okay and so while that

00:07:13.780 is happening i remember my place i remember all the hats i wore back then and i'm here to add on

00:07:18.580 to those and to keep it pushing so i understand what your place is in the revolution and understand

00:07:23.860 that your place in revolution can also change maiden mother crone your place of the maiden

00:07:29.540 is going to change your place as the mother and as the crone and throughout the revolution as well

00:07:35.680 in that same way. And so embracing those changes is very, very, very important. Everyone that's

00:07:40.960 listening to this right now, we went through some really intense changes last year, right?

00:07:45.500 The eclipses on the Taurus-Scorpio axis, that is continuing this year. Those changes and those

00:07:51.340 roles are going to change as well. And we must continue to roll with the tides, honey. Keep

00:07:56.000 surfing, keep swimming. We're going to make it. We'll be okay. We got each other. That's all that

00:08:00.460 matters our magic is our sword okay our words are our wands our spirits are our shield and we stand

00:08:07.060 we come as one but we stand as 10 000 a million and so on and so on and so on so you know as

00:08:13.560 overwhelming as it can be to be here right now what is coming is why we are here okay what has

00:08:22.420 happened so far is just the trailer of the movie what is coming is why we are here so don't ever

00:08:28.620 question why you are here. Don't ever question why this is happening to you. It's happening for

00:08:32.800 you, beloved. It's happening for all of us, okay? This is the year of the seven, they say. The year

00:08:38.120 of the chariot, it's more than that. Seven sisters, seven continents, seven oceans, okay? Seven days

00:08:43.900 of the week, seven celestial bodies. When you heal thyself, you heal seven generations before you,

00:08:50.120 seven generations after you. So when I say Black History Month and Black Future Month, Black Freedom

00:08:54.660 month that's what i'm talking about so it's everything in between so take it all in inhale

00:09:01.340 exhale release it all um but yeah that's me i'm i'm lowly moon natural mistake free of labels right 0.92

00:09:08.040 now listeners now you know what the fuck we're talking about like can you feel the energy coming 0.83

00:09:18.180 off thank you again so much for being here and bringing that that spirit to this conversation 0.98

00:09:24.120 thank you so much i'm i'm stoked great stoker of fire you're like a little iron poker and i'm all

00:09:31.860 now i'm all shaking in my chair that's what i'm here to do i'm here to sharpen my studies honey

00:09:37.720 okay yes thank you thank you thank you thank you we need poets and we need warriors and if we can

00:09:44.640 be both at once that's ideal another warrior poet sherry shown that who do lady author how are you

00:09:56.880 doing what are you doing hi oh so much so much first of all thank you everyone for listening in

00:10:03.600 thank you for all of my sisters in witchydom and conjure and root work and everything else that we

00:10:11.260 call ourselves um I come to you I I met Amy and Risa and they embraced me and welcomed me it's

00:10:19.740 the reason I have my second book I did the first book the hoodoo guide to the bible all self-published

00:10:26.460 and Amy said oh no you don't you're gonna go through a publisher and I said no I don't know

00:10:33.100 about all that but anyway so there it went and now it is and now it's continuing and I'm continuing

00:10:39.060 to do more and more, but only through what spirit and my ancestors asked me to. Some of the things

00:10:48.400 that I am working on is acceptance in your conjure and in your hoodoo. I am in agreement with what

00:10:57.060 Miss Loli Moon said when it is about these labels. These labels are continuing to tear us apart and

00:11:04.640 divide us. We started as a nation of one, as a continent of one. And what's happening is you

00:11:14.520 keep hearing these divisors, right? Let's divide. Let's divide. Let's divide. The reason they want

00:11:20.540 you to divide is because they want you to be susceptible on your own. Right? Every time I go

00:11:29.920 walking around. I have two greyhounds. They are beautiful. They are named Zephyrus and Zanahari.

00:11:36.900 They are both named after either Zephyrus is the god of wind and Zanahari is Madagascan king.

00:11:45.220 But anyway, my two boys, they go everywhere with me. And the reason they go everywhere with me is

00:11:50.200 because I don't like to be alone in spirit. And I don't like to be alone and vulnerable walking

00:11:55.800 streets. I am here in Oregon, where there's not a lot of darker melanated bodies. So whenever I go 0.99

00:12:06.020 walking, I have to be ready for people to come up to me and say, is this your neighborhood?

00:12:12.080 Is this your car? Is this your wife? Are these your dogs?

00:12:20.120 So me walking around with my greyhounds gives me that courage. But I am excited to be able

00:12:25.760 to be on this call and talk about and share with each other. The more we work together and accept

00:12:33.020 each other in our own spiritual practices, the more we dispel the disbelief, the myth that all

00:12:39.760 we do is argue and divide as a nation and as a race. We are not here to divide, right? We do so

00:12:49.440 much more and together together when we think of the ring shout back in the day when we formed a

00:12:56.580 circle and we dusted up the dust and the sand and we brought up spirit in the name of and we

00:13:03.140 continued to work together and sing and song and chant and pray together and people got their

00:13:08.160 deliverance together it was because we did that stuff together not because I was doing work

00:13:14.040 towards somebody else to make somebody else go lower so anyway that is why i am here and that

00:13:21.340 is why i'm grateful to be blessed by everyone on this call and i hope that everyone else feels

00:13:26.220 this energy y'all i'm in the black magical shirt everybody else on the call is looking beautiful

00:13:32.540 and they're black and white and blue and we are not playing today y'all so i hope y'all are ready

00:13:37.800 I hope you have your tea, you have your refreshments, you're going to need them.

00:13:42.760 We are not playing around tonight.

00:13:46.020 I do want to say one thing, you know, I appreciate the credit, but zero credit.

00:13:51.460 We've talked about this before.

00:13:53.500 Jeremiah 29, 11, somebody had big plans for you.

00:13:57.740 And I just happened to be the person that sent the email that connected the two, you know, instruments of God to each other.

00:14:05.240 Jeremiah 29 11 that's our that's our motto me and Sherry shown um do you want to do a quick

00:14:12.340 reading from hoodoo for everyone absolutely so um one of the things that I talk about in the

00:14:19.020 book and I'm just going to read really quickly as a hoodoo practitioner my job is to make sure

00:14:24.160 that I pass along the knowledge of oral tradition of hoodoo to do this I tell the history of its

00:14:31.860 people, the Black people of North America who were transported into enslavement by way of the

00:14:38.140 diaspora. Our history is interwoven with other melanated cultures. America is founded on the

00:14:45.860 ideals of freedom and built by the hard work of immigrants and those impacted by the diaspora. 0.90

00:14:54.580 The diaspora is the involuntary dispersion of a group of individuals from one geographic location

00:15:00.500 to another, such as from the birthplace of all humankind, Africa, to Europe, to North or South

00:15:08.540 America. Our ancestors from many cultures have been impacted by the diaspora. This is universal.

00:15:16.360 Therefore, our shared pain is universal. Our shared experiences of being displaced

00:15:24.620 and abandoned is universal. Our shared experience of being displaced, our need for connection and

00:15:33.640 community in a world that is not ours is universal. This may be why many of us feel we don't belong

00:15:42.640 here because our roots were shifted from us without permission. Hoodoo is so precious to me

00:15:49.900 because hoodoo was made by a people that needed deliverance and deliverance is a universal need 1.00

00:15:56.220 deliverance thank you it's a universe thank you yeah i'm gonna light my candle for deliverance

00:16:06.840 tonight for sure the astrologer writer astro historian what are you doing how are you weaving

00:16:19.240 the stars into your research into the human experience tell us what you've been up to

00:16:27.540 tell us everything hi y'all my name is tia i feel so i am blessed i am blessed and i'm blessed to

00:16:38.060 be here and this moment is a blessing because i think about that we are gathered together

00:16:46.280 and then there's an audience that will listen

00:16:49.500 and then our ancestors are here

00:16:51.460 and that this is just so much bigger

00:16:54.320 and I'm just, I'm so grateful for this moment.

00:16:58.620 I think, you know, I checked the chart

00:17:02.260 when we started recording

00:17:04.460 and in my place in the Berkshires in Massachusetts

00:17:09.080 where I am currently located,

00:17:11.640 it's had Virgo rising,

00:17:13.940 making Mercury the chart ruler

00:17:15.480 in the fifth house of what we create so we can think of what we're gonna what we're gonna pass

00:17:21.540 along through our words and then the moon is in cancer in the 11th house of community and what

00:17:28.480 are we here to talk about community and how are we gonna do this y'all how are we gonna do this

00:17:34.280 we're gonna do it in a way that is about care about all the moon and cancer things right it is

00:17:40.260 it is a different kind of community than we've seen. That's what we need. We need something that

00:17:47.860 is life-giving. And I think about sometimes what I do, I feel like I'm a midwife to words.

00:17:56.120 I take other people's words. I take my words. And I think about the way that those words give

00:18:03.060 birth to a life that is just way more beyond what I can conceive. It's often a download.

00:18:10.260 if we're talking about my creative work, my research, and sometimes I'll feel that pressure

00:18:19.300 to like, I need to get this out into the world. And then I realized, no, I'm being guided, right?

00:18:25.820 These moments of spiraling in and out of research, these moments of becoming enchanted and disenchanted

00:18:31.880 with the world, with the work, that is all part of the process. And so I'm here, sitting here as

00:18:37.360 a human being in process always. And I think that when we can allow each other to see each other

00:18:46.200 and accept each other in our own process, we come into loving community with each other.

00:18:53.160 I'm not interested in power. I'm not interested in things that divide. I'm interested in where

00:18:59.360 where are we going to be if where could we be if we just all saw that that was all like smoke and

00:19:08.880 mirrors um and and us as a people to come together and to honor you know I sat with Black History

00:19:17.720 Month because we're living in this really weird time where sometimes I'm not sure if things have

00:19:21.280 been commodified or marketed and then sometimes I'm not sure if this is no Thea you need to sit

00:19:25.760 back and reclaim this so that is Black History Month that is and especially as a Texan I'm from

00:19:30.860 Houston to see Juneteenth sort of take a national stage over the last couple years and like what

00:19:36.880 does that mean how am I do I still is that still my like little private there is now everybody it's

00:19:43.180 it's not and so like what does this mean and I think to me it always means it's always a reclaiming

00:19:49.720 it's always bringing it back into living context it's always being like this is something that

00:19:55.680 we're not going to let people take it from us appropriate it and then and then claim it as

00:20:02.520 theirs this is something that we enter into that we own and that we share and so i love um what

00:20:09.360 was just read sherry what you read about like it not being free but it's deliverance there is a

00:20:13.960 call there's an invitation and there's a there's also an invitation on us to take other people with

00:20:20.140 That deliverance is not an endpoint, but it's also a process. So I'm just so honored to be here.

00:20:27.180 I could keep going on, but I'm going to stop. We're going to come back around to you. Don't

00:20:32.060 you worry about that. Save something, keep something in the chamber for later. Thank you so

00:20:36.700 much for that rising. You know, one of my favorite pieces that you wrote is, of course, about

00:20:43.980 someone who is a north star to probably all of us um harriet tubman and tracing um the

00:20:50.620 sort of astrological journey for lack of a better term and sort of looking at her chart and the

00:20:55.180 charts of the events um of her life um so i hope she is one of the ancestors who's with us tonight

00:21:04.060 and thank you so much for being a future ancestor and being with me here

00:21:07.580 oloomi i just you know the first time i saw oloomi was on facebook and we've talked about this before

00:21:19.700 but i won't get into it so i won't get into it too much but i was like this person and i was like

00:21:26.700 every social media account i could find attached to this but i want to know every single word this

00:21:32.420 person says for the rest of time and then I finally got up the guts to ask you to come on

00:21:39.480 the podcast and you were on our panel for choice which was obviously a super emotional topic but

00:21:46.720 also a very very important one and I love inviting you because I know you're going to tell it like it

00:21:53.300 is you're not going to pull any punches and I'm going to learn something for sure how are you

00:21:58.320 what are you doing what's going on i am magnificent all praises and honor to my

00:22:06.060 ancestral mothers there is no better place to be but in the company of my sister so thank you all

00:22:12.440 so much for being here and creating a safe space that is always the best place to be

00:22:17.580 it is what i incarnated to do right um what am i doing i am still working on the phd will probably

00:22:26.920 be finished in 2024 and really leaning into as far as that research is concerned who do

00:22:36.820 conjure root working as a spiritual liberation technology right it is a technological tool

00:22:46.540 that our ancestors used to survive so that is what I'm always always doing have been doing for the

00:22:55.860 past four years. And it's a blessing. It is wonderful. I love it. Even being here in the

00:23:04.000 great state of Florida. And I say that very sarcastically. But I think that, or I know that

00:23:12.380 what we do as witches, and I teach this in some of my classes, is we deal with what is real.

00:23:22.040 we don't deal with what is constructed so there are some terrible constructs

00:23:29.620 right that just are not real we have a gender binary construct it's just not real so witches

00:23:36.480 don't deal with that we deal with reality right we have a race construct it is not real

00:23:42.620 witches don't deal with that we deal with reality right we have a um a white supremacist or um

00:23:50.720 white masculist imperialism construct. We don't deal with that. We deal with reality, right? It 0.99

00:23:56.980 doesn't mean that we don't live in these places. It doesn't mean that those things do not affect

00:24:02.580 us. And it certainly doesn't mean that we ignore it or that we pretend it doesn't exist. But our

00:24:08.380 work and therefore our lives take place in reality, right? So what is real is that Earth

00:24:18.080 Mother O'Neill has completed her dance through the darkness. And even though it's winter and

00:24:26.100 it's winter here in Florida, not temperature wise, but you can still feel the sleepy vibe of

00:24:30.920 Earth Mother, right? She's still in her sleepy vibe, right? So even though she's still doing

00:24:36.180 that, we know that now is the time when she's beginning to move back towards the sun. And so

00:24:41.960 we feel a bubbling, right? So this is the reality we're living in because that's what's really

00:24:46.400 happening right and the rest of this is a construct that's created to keep us in a certain 0.98

00:24:53.920 state of terror because people and especially those of us who are feminine people women and

00:25:00.260 femmes we react in desperation when we're in a state of terror so you know i'm here in florida

00:25:10.100 and people always say oh and i'm an educator in florida so then people say oh no i've heard that

00:25:15.820 they're taking books off of shelves and that's true that's true they're doing all of that and I

00:25:20.560 and they say and how are you and I'm like actually I'm magnificent right it's a beautiful sunny day

00:25:26.420 when I go out in my backyard there are cranes and herons that will walk up to my gate and say good

00:25:32.660 morning to me there's 20,000 different types of lizards that I have to keep my cats in the house

00:25:37.900 or they will decimate the lizard population of Florida right there is beauty all around and it's

00:25:44.260 warm. So I can go outside every day and be mostly new. So I'm magnificent. I live in reality. So I

00:25:51.460 think that for me, that's the focus, right? Making sure that I stay in reality, obviously staying

00:25:58.120 safe, obviously not being oblivious, but living in reality. Who am I? I am a hereditary witch.

00:26:10.040 my mother told me that i came from a long line of witches when i was about four years old

00:26:16.380 um she and i were communicating without speaking and so she told me to come into the room

00:26:24.240 and i came into the room and she said i didn't call your name then i said i know but you told

00:26:30.940 me to come in here so i came in here and so she because you know lalita said to do something you 0.98

00:26:37.680 who's gonna do it even now from spirit realm she said to do something my ass is gonna do it right 0.90

00:26:42.340 i got good sense and i'm hard-headed but i ain't fooling so i'm a hereditary witch um coming from 0.92

00:26:50.200 a line a family line that is of first nations people here in the united states and west african

00:26:57.740 people coming from nigeria um i'm initiated priestess of washroom for over 30 years so

00:27:05.000 our praises to that and coming from the deep road south a practitioner of hoodoo since before i was

00:27:13.580 born right that is what it means to live as a person of color where i'm from is that you are

00:27:20.660 practicing hoodoo and not knowing you know you don't know that it has a name there's a whole

00:27:27.520 point in your life when you're doing and you don't even know that there's a name to it this is just

00:27:31.040 what you do this is how you stay well this is how you stay fed this is how you bring money into the

00:27:36.960 house this is how you stay alive so that is who i am mother of six um teacher of literature

00:27:44.940 afrofuturism in particular and yeah happy black future and black history month to everyone

00:27:52.520 and also happy day of being together right happy day of coming together I think that

00:28:02.340 the path of living in reality can be very lonely so I cherish moments when I can come together

00:28:11.460 with people who are not pretending to be something else for the sake of their survival

00:28:17.880 so i cherish it happy moment of being together right it's a blessing thank you for claiming

00:28:25.400 your magnificence it is self-evident to us in the room here but for those listening

00:28:32.680 the magnificence is very real and i and i love that you use that word there it's something

00:28:37.720 greater than good it's magnificent and you have one of my favorite definitions of magic which i

00:28:45.240 will misquote now um but you you wrote something along the lines of like magic is when the universe

00:28:53.120 conspires to let you know that you are lifted can you expand on that a little bit and then maybe

00:29:01.940 we'll all talk about what magic means yes magic is when you work in conjunction with the universe

00:29:11.920 and the universe lets you know that she sees you and that she hears you and that she's working with

00:29:17.900 you and it usually happens in little things and so in the post that you're speaking of the children

00:29:24.820 and i had carved our jack-o'-lanterns as we do on sowing to light the path for our unrighteous

00:29:30.720 ancestors because that's the one day that we talk to them and feed them and in where i'm from after

00:29:38.000 you carve your jack-o'-lantern you put the pumpkin seeds out in your yard because the pumpkin seeds

00:29:42.520 bring wealth and so i had never carved a jack-o'-lantern in florida nor had i sprinkled

00:29:49.800 pumpkin seeds in florida so i'm from a whole different ecosystem of tennessee right so first

00:29:55.620 of all for y'all who didn't know jack-o'-lanterns ain't gonna last to halloween in florida you gotta

00:30:02.060 to call them late you can't call them early like I'm used to doing because this son will just eat

00:30:07.640 the jack-o'-lantern I was like what is happening to my jack-o'-lantern how the ancestors gonna get

00:30:12.940 here if they caving in so anyway that's the first thing second thing you know I was sprinkling my

00:30:18.760 pumpkin seeds and I'm saying you know earth mother O'Neill they bring us wealth continue to protect

00:30:23.340 us blah blah blah and in the video that Amy is referencing all these birds begin to come in

00:30:30.480 because I live there's a pond you know across in my backyard they call it something else down here

00:30:35.740 a canal I think is what they call it but it's in my backyard and so all these birds begin to fly in

00:30:42.940 and the big old huge cranes and herons and I was like oh because from your perspective the birds

00:30:49.200 are the mothers and the mothers is who you always want to be talking to because they hold all the

00:30:53.520 power in the universe so I realized this moment is magic right and we love our wands and we love

00:31:02.080 our ability to you know communicate in our minds and we love our ability to move things and make

00:31:10.040 things happen we love all of that but magic is those little tiny moments when you throwing your

00:31:17.840 pumpkin seeds out and a whole flock of birds some of them as tall as me not that i'm very tall but

00:31:23.780 y'all know what i mean come into your yard to eat and to watch you do it and to say we're witnessing

00:31:30.200 this moment and yes we hear you that's magic right yeah so your project is called the magic

00:31:39.080 hours you must have thoughts on this word magic this idea of magic i might have a few thoughts

00:31:46.440 on magic. I love magic. I, gosh, I love magic. And I'm so happy that I actively started

00:31:57.440 interacting with it. I think intentionally, because while other things have happened in

00:32:06.540 my life that I felt less than magical, I will say I've had little sparks of magic and experiences

00:32:13.360 my whole life, thankfully. But the last, I don't know, I don't even know, I don't know, 15 years

00:32:20.760 or so, I started actually interacting with it. And so for me, magic could be like when I'm looking

00:32:29.200 for a parking space and I hear something in my ear, right? And they're like, turn left, turn

00:32:37.220 right I remember they used to just say stop wait and I would just be I'll be like okay but not

00:32:44.860 really believing yet right like not trusting my parking magic and then it just was like yeah I

00:32:51.660 have like parking angels it's great right and so for me it's it's this interaction and for me it's

00:32:59.300 an every day at this point interaction constantly looking for it uh it is my interaction with

00:33:08.020 deities it is my interaction with the cards the fact that you know I could be giving a reading

00:33:16.380 to somebody I don't even know and then all of a sudden I start feeling something on my neck

00:33:21.160 and I'm and I start itching and I'm like oh do you feel such and such when this and that happens

00:33:25.940 and they're like, yes. And I'm like, oh my God. Cause it like still is so like spirit is just,

00:33:32.420 it's still so surprising. And I think that that's it. It's, it's surprising. I started

00:33:37.900 working with Hecate recently and I don't know, I think I was in the car talking to Hecate or

00:33:43.940 something. And then I pulled into my mother's driveway and there was a raven just sitting

00:33:48.500 there and I got my camera out. This is like last week. And I started video and I was like, yes,

00:33:52.540 girl I know you you with me you with me you know it's like stuff like that it's it is this

00:33:59.180 relationship between me and as we're talking about the mothers like I started reading the

00:34:06.640 great cosmic mother if you haven't read the great cosmic mother read the great cosmic mother

00:34:10.840 because that's like a whole nother level so it's like me talking to the goddesses and feeling

00:34:17.180 connected to the goddesses and and like you said small I'm thinking about somebody they call me on

00:34:23.500 the phone that's magic right and then there's the other like stuff that I like making candles like

00:34:30.740 making magical candles and like that type of stuff that I really love like the spell work there's a

00:34:35.380 spell work of it too which I really loved but um yeah I love it I do it's like everything to me

00:34:46.900 yeah yeah it's just so good Althea please go ahead no I we I just wanted to say like sometimes

00:34:57.900 we've had to go through things to get the magic and that's what came up for me when you were

00:35:03.180 talking like sometimes when life doesn't feel magical you could feel like disconnect or like

00:35:13.200 almost like a parent that has left you and like well what do I still matter and sometimes those

00:35:21.860 moments could take like years and I've been thinking about this a lot recently for myself

00:35:28.460 like why did I have to go through the things that I went through and it was to get my magic

00:35:35.400 you said it the things we go through and i

00:35:42.640 i i was always a crier

00:35:47.140 i'm i love to i was one of those that when i was in the church

00:35:54.100 everybody else would be running up and down the aisles and getting happy and doing everything

00:36:00.660 because that was my tradition and I would be in the pew going like this

00:36:05.940 just shaking my head just back and forth just

00:36:10.640 just doing it right I was in it I was in it and for me

00:36:15.600 when I think about my magic the tears come

00:36:19.180 and I don't know whether they're tears of my grandmother going

00:36:24.800 look at my granddaughter

00:36:28.180 who now can confidently do anything she does in magic without fear of being lynched,

00:36:40.540 without fear of someone taking it away, about fear of someone coming and claiming it

00:36:47.680 because she knows her worth. And if there's anything that I want to tell everyone that's

00:36:54.460 listening is y'all we are worth it you are worth so much in gold in spiritual currency

00:37:04.620 y'all if we could just feel it just today just breathe it in and just know that all of this love

00:37:14.120 y'all are feeling breathe it in please let it happen let it just bathe you in it that all this

00:37:20.860 magic is real this is not made up this is not a joke this love is real and that part is magic to

00:37:29.640 me and that's I think what makes me cry is because the beauty of it y'all all right

00:37:37.660 Loli I feel like you could give us all some advice about knowing your worth

00:37:45.100 well I can do my absolute best I was writing down what magic means to me and I wrote the

00:37:53.800 first that came up to me was magic is awareness of self and your place in the realms and by realms

00:38:00.000 I mean all of them because when you reach that level of awareness of self you realize that

00:38:05.640 all the synchronicities all the confirmation that you are chasing are all answers of yourself

00:38:10.780 they're all reflections of yourself and you know when you reach that level of and there's not really

00:38:16.640 a level to reach honestly and truly it's just the the learning really the relearning of self and the

00:38:21.480 unlearning of what the world told you to be the unlearning of the roles that the world put on you

00:38:26.680 and told you to carry and the world has told me to carry a lot of things the world has told me to

00:38:32.400 to be tough and to be quiet and to be grateful and and to to not complain you know um the

00:38:40.760 world has told me that I come from a line of angry people and why are they like that? And that is

00:38:49.200 not true. And you know what? To hell yeah, they are angry and we have every right to be.

00:38:55.040 My anger is magic. My resiliency is magic. My presence is magic. I don't have to lift

00:39:01.560 a finger if I don't want to. Okay. So your awareness of self is magic because when you

00:39:08.400 reach that complete wholeness of self you reach oneness with spirit with the divine with the

00:39:14.480 goddesses with the mothers of this of the realms and that is magic um and your self-worth is

00:39:21.780 reflection of you know your magic essentially do you believe in yourself do you believe that you

00:39:28.480 are worthy of even practicing magic are you do you believe that you are worthy of receiving

00:39:32.840 synchronicities or do you think that oh they're just lucky no luck is preparation meets opportunity

00:39:43.480 how does that happen through magic through awareness of self this idea of kill the ego

00:39:49.580 the ego is bad stop that the ego tells you that you have boundaries you have worth and you are

00:39:57.040 not delusional everyone wants to be oh be delusional manifest no be real with yourself

00:40:01.740 your idea of self-worth is not delusional it's worthy it's real it's concrete it is the earth

00:40:08.140 it is real it is rooted in reality it is rooted in the sacrifices the blood shedding of your

00:40:13.160 ancestors so to me magic is awareness of self on all the realms it's awareness of

00:40:20.480 my mother before my mother you know and so on and so on and so on lives with me right now

00:40:26.140 and awareness of that that is magic that's synchronicity when i put down my offerings

00:40:31.840 on my ancestor altar and my pisces grandmother calls me in five seconds that's magic

00:40:35.580 but that comes from the awareness of self and knowing that this is what's going to happen

00:40:40.980 because i said so not because delusions or illusions or whatever it might be because i said so

00:40:47.240 I recently did a pre-interview um the this person wanted Iolinda if you're listening hi Iolinda um

00:40:58.340 um she wanted to do a pre-interview because we had never met before and she had never been on

00:41:03.660 a podcast before and of course I want you to be as comfortable as possible of course let's meet

00:41:07.960 ahead of time and she was sort of you know that like humble and slightly self-deprecating and I

00:41:15.700 said I have to stop you right here this is not the place for that I want to hear about how powerful

00:41:23.120 you are I want to hear about how strong you are and amazing you are I want to hear about how

00:41:29.760 crumpled and sad and weak you are that's fine too you don't need to come here as a perfect being but

00:41:35.200 like let's leave this is not the circle where we are humble this is the circle where we come to

00:41:41.240 recognize each other's power thank you so much loli moon you ah it's just a match just a match 0.91

00:41:50.360 striking under my little butt i gotta jump in there with with sister loli moon because that's 0.94

00:41:56.540 exactly why i started teaching black witchcraft is because every time i would talk about witchcraft 0.99

00:42:02.780 i mean i could talk about the arisha i could talk about hoodoo i couldn't in those days mention a

00:42:09.180 lot of root work and conjure because people still had a lot of scaredness attached to that but every 1.00

00:42:15.420 time i would talk about witchcraft black women would tell me that's not for them right they 1.00

00:42:21.100 don't have the right to do that what you just spoke about they don't have the right to dabble

00:42:25.960 in that and i was like who where is that coming from i had to get to the root of that feeling

00:42:32.340 of not being entitled to all of the magic so you think it's a little magic pie and it's only one

00:42:41.100 little slice of it that you get to have and all the rest of the magic pie you can't put your fork

00:42:46.660 over there right so I definitely in the beginning of every class delve into the fact that the whole

00:42:54.060 magic pie is for you your ancestral mothers helped to create it and they made it literally for you

00:43:00.460 specifically for you they had your specific self in mind as they were creating the magical pie but

00:43:07.240 yes that thing you have to know that you are worthy to do magic and that you are worthy to

00:43:14.480 wield your power in this universe and worthy to take from it what you want and I really when I

00:43:23.520 did the reading of the year this year what Oshun said to me was we're not only worthy we are entitled

00:43:29.700 we're entitled to that before we were born we laid all of our things out before us

00:43:36.860 and then we said okay let me go on and come into the world and then we get to the world and we say

00:43:42.700 people who look like me don't get to have that people who got this many kids don't get to make

00:43:47.360 that kind of salary people who've been married this much or ain't never been married or ain't 0.97

00:43:52.560 never been chosen by the right person with a penis don't get to have this that and the other 0.99

00:43:57.040 right we we make up all these reasons that we don't get to have the shit that we laid out for 1.00

00:44:01.660 ourselves so I don't get to have that it's dangling in front of me all the time it's my deepest desire 0.96

00:44:07.320 I really really want it but I don't get to have it all of that is a state of unworthiness so we

00:44:14.300 got to come back to our entitlement right you're entitled to that right you big enough to fulfill

00:44:21.680 that big-ass destiny that you feel on the inside you're big enough to fulfill that and you're

00:44:26.400 entitled to every little molecule of whatever it is that gives you the ability to fulfill that

00:44:33.880 destiny and makes you happy while you're doing it right because man i hear fulfilling destinies

00:44:39.260 to be miserable either and my destiny is not a servant or a mule i'm here to help people i'm not 0.97

00:44:46.540 i'm here to have magnificent orgasms and dance naked in places that are warm that's why the 0.87

00:44:52.420 like I incarnated and so yeah that's what I'm doing I can teach people along the way yeah I 0.95

00:44:58.660 got classes about magic yeah I write books yeah I teach literature but when the hell I said I was

00:45:04.320 coming here I said oh look at that orgasm thing I'm gonna go do that over and over again and oh

00:45:09.900 that sun looks delicious and look at this sand that I can dance in that's what I'm here to do

00:45:15.880 So I want us to come out of that mindset of thinking, like you're saying, that this humility has to be attached, that this smallness has to be attached, that this squeezing yourself into some sort of tiny ball whose purpose is to give and give and give of itself to others and to never feel bliss and to never feel ecstasy and to not have a good time.

00:45:38.520 that's not why we came here when people when I ask people that when I do divinations for people

00:45:43.380 and they say oh I came here to help somebody I say nobody came here to help people

00:45:48.440 get why did you come here helping people is is something that you do on the side of what your

00:45:55.160 actual destiny is what did you come here to do some of us came here just to taste a papaya we're

00:46:01.880 having a human experience what did you want to do I wanted to taste that particular fruit and have

00:46:07.260 the juice run down my and feel it run down my skin right there's a reason that you came here

00:46:12.660 helping people is something that you also do that's not your reason for being right you're

00:46:18.580 not a mule you're not a mammy or a maid so yes agreed we're entitled to magic and bliss

00:46:25.860 and I feel like it's um it can be like a loofah because the world has piled so many things and

00:46:37.240 And so one of the things that I've started doing is when I'm in the shower and I'm like

00:46:42.500 scrubbing, right?

00:46:43.960 But I'm shedding, I'm shedding, I'm shedding because I want to, listen, Capricorn rising

00:46:49.760 astrology people.

00:46:50.840 So you already know, okay.

00:46:54.600 Capricorn rising.

00:46:56.580 So there's a lot of me working.

00:47:01.160 There's a lot of like, I've got to do this.

00:47:04.280 I've got to do that.

00:47:05.240 but I'm like, oh, people are getting soft. Like what's this soft thing? What's this

00:47:09.700 enjoyment thing? Right. Cause I'm also Libra sun. So I'm like, I need to live. I'm doing my Venus

00:47:14.560 a disservice. Like what I'm working too hard. So, so I've started to like, I got this beautiful

00:47:20.300 rose cleanser, shower gel. And when I'm in there, I'm like scraping off and I'm seeing like that

00:47:27.960 old messaging and that, that, that like worker bee energy, like sloughing off. And I think that 0.74

00:47:35.700 magic can be that it can be a response to capitalism. And this is how I've started

00:47:42.820 talking with organizations that I work with around having them do group rituals as a response to

00:47:49.900 capitalism and, you know, they're nonprofits. So it's like, they get like, they, I can go there

00:47:53.920 with that conversation with them and and I and we know it's real you know y'all are talking about

00:48:00.300 reality we know it's real we know it's powerful because there's so many things working to separate

00:48:05.260 us from ourselves and magic can be is such a it's a connector when somebody was talking earlier I

00:48:14.920 was seeing like a plug so it's it's it's a plug into reality and um our natural selves and our

00:48:26.360 and our true selves so it's not just a response to something negative obviously it's also like

00:48:31.300 our god-given or god is given right for me

00:48:35.820 have you all noticed that in your magic your clients your the people that read your books

00:48:44.880 things like that it's almost like we've been taught for so many generations that we're here to serve

00:48:52.500 that it's difficult to serve yourself first have you noticed that like if you say like you were 0.87

00:49:03.420 saying I'm gonna be on this world and I'm gonna do some magic for me and I'm gonna have an orgasm 0.99

00:49:07.620 for me I'm not gonna have an orgasm for you you get yours I'm gonna get mine 1.00

00:49:12.760 and it's my right. It is my privilege to enjoy that. When I'm eating a sandwich 0.99

00:49:22.520 and people come up to you and go, you know, you didn't offer me any. No, I didn't.

00:49:29.200 But if you want some, it's on the table, right? When we're doing things in offering,

00:49:38.200 When I do my work in offering and I bring a plate of food to my ancestor after they've helped me, then that is something that I'm doing in worship.

00:49:52.360 But when I'm doing work for me where I want that job, I want that whatever I'm asking for, I want, because in hoodoo for me, I don't judge over if I want your stuff or my stuff. 0.94

00:50:05.340 So if I want, if I want your shit, and I'm doing my work to get your shit, and my ancestors agree with that, then I'm going to do that without guilt. 0.92

00:50:21.160 we're i find that so many of us have loads of just the guilt and then we just are hunched over 0.99

00:50:32.160 and we can't even you know i love to watch zoe do the yoga poses where she's lifting her body

00:50:40.840 and she's able to do all of these magical things in spirit because i feel so many of us are so

00:50:49.220 burdened. We can't even stretch. We can't even move our bodies. I see so many of our women

00:50:57.920 were hunched. You come over to them and you ask them something. Maybe they're helping you in a 0.53

00:51:04.800 store or something and their heads are down. They don't even want to look you in your eye

00:51:09.700 because they're not worthy. You're here to buy something and I'm here as a lowly salesperson.

00:51:17.260 what time to rise up y'all

00:51:27.580 let me take it in for a second

00:51:31.740 how do those of us who have not connected with our own personal value in this way um so you talked

00:51:45.500 about you know a ritual shower um can can anyone expand on that notion of how we can bring

00:51:53.540 that feeling because i think yeah loli has something um i i think that what's amazing

00:52:00.040 is what we find especially with femmes especially with women um is that the better we take care of

00:52:06.980 ourselves the more energy we have for that side project although me i'm keeping that forever

00:52:13.200 this side project of helping other people it's not my main deal this is my side project yeah

00:52:19.300 loli please please um i i believe and what has been serving me very well is the practice and

00:52:26.200 continuous practice of self-devotion and a lot of times capitalism will tell us oh individualism is

00:52:33.320 is this and that it's like no you brought that to us you taught us divide and conquer when they

00:52:39.640 when they create division, it's to conquer us, right? Divide and conquer. It's tale as old as

00:52:44.480 time, right? So practicing self-devotion. You got an altar for your ancestors. You got an altar for

00:52:50.360 this goddess, this goddess, this God, this, et cetera. You got a shrine for this, a shrine for

00:52:54.800 that. What about you? Does your home reflect a sanctuary for yourself? Is your bedroom a space

00:53:00.640 for yourself or is it a hoarding space for more electronic things and other things that just be

00:53:05.600 off of you? Practicing self-devotion. Are you speaking positive words into yourself? It goes

00:53:11.780 beyond the inner child healing. It goes beyond the inner teenager healing. Are you practicing

00:53:15.660 self-devotion? How do you talk about yourself? Are you using words like, I'm so silly, or I'm so

00:53:20.900 broke, or I'm so this and that, or, oh, I hate being single, or I hate that I'm in this situation.

00:53:26.700 How are you practicing self-devotion? Because your ancestors are watching. Your goddesses are

00:53:31.300 watching your angels are watching all of that okay so practicing self-devotion I think is the main

00:53:37.500 thing that will help with that but also understanding that as you continue to pour

00:53:42.700 into that self-devotion practice you are able to pour as well into community not in a way that

00:53:48.120 overextends yourself which is why I've had to take off the labels off myself because Pisces rising

00:53:52.140 I'm gonna just keep going and going and going and going it's about pouring back into your community

00:53:57.160 at your capacity respecting your capacity and knowing that there's no shame around it okay

00:54:02.920 there's no guilt to carry with that it just is what it is and that's okay and if your people

00:54:07.580 can't get with that they're not your people right the whole point of community is unity

00:54:12.300 keep the unity in community okay um talking specifically about the diaspora and and and

00:54:18.900 and black people and and people who have black birthing bodies okay this is the group that has

00:54:25.220 the number one highest rate of premature children being birthed and there is a reason for that the 1.00

00:54:32.780 body can't even rest to give birth to this next generation the premature levels are so high in

00:54:39.720 the community it's the highest in all of communities and that is a reflection of this

00:54:44.800 urgency to give birth to things because capitalism tells us to and I believe that with more focus on

00:54:51.900 self-devotion and more support of community that recognizes the unity in community that is what's

00:54:57.620 going to bring us forward that is what's going to launch us into the revolution and not just to make

00:55:01.740 history but to become the timeline to become the ones in charge and like and so on and so on and

00:55:07.780 so on and it's not about it's not about power it's not about consumption because absolute power

00:55:12.020 leads to absolute corruption it's about balance ease and flow right elevation and that comes with

00:55:20.260 starting with a self-devotion of yourself and then saying, okay, I've poured into my cup.

00:55:25.900 It has run over. My feet are anointed in this life energy, which is water. Now I can step

00:55:32.020 outside of this space and pour some of that energy into my community. And not community that's looking

00:55:39.960 for you to just feed into them, but community that's also feeding into you. Because people

00:55:44.340 will come to your table with just a plate and got nothing else to offer you. And that's not

00:55:47.280 to me at all either. I feel like that's all real two of cups energy, just like let's come together

00:55:53.880 and fill each other's cups. Yeah. I was thinking about desire because we were talking about

00:56:03.280 orgasms and the right to them. And I feel like that's also a key. And a lot of times when people,

00:56:12.540 if they come to me for reading I'm always like okay so you know like what are we here what's

00:56:21.480 what's on the table and sometimes you'll get five things and I'm like no what do you want

00:56:28.700 and when I when someone lands on what they want like what they desire you feel it it's a

00:56:36.340 instant energy shift. And I can feel their desire through the screen. And I'm like, yes,

00:56:42.340 we're going to do this. All the other things, it's just clouding your mind. If you could just

00:56:48.040 follow like what you feel, and then the reading just like opens up into this whole world. And so

00:56:54.240 our right to pleasure, our right to feel good, our right to chase our desires. And more than that,

00:57:00.920 we're saying entitlement, like the, what is that? It's like a directive. It's like,

00:57:06.120 this is what you're here to do. And that's why you want it. And I wonder, you know, if we all felt

00:57:14.220 like we were allowed, or if we all felt the call of what we desired and followed that,

00:57:23.020 like the arrow that it is. Like, what would this world look like? And it reminds me all the time

00:57:31.960 to continue to follow my desire, which changes. It changes all the time. And that's the other

00:57:38.380 thing. People will want to put you in a box and say, this is who you are. It's what you do. It's

00:57:42.840 what you like. And always coming back to that. That's a wild spirit. That's nothing that's

00:57:49.960 static. That's nothing for you to latch onto or identify with. It is an arrow and it could change

00:57:57.180 and it could open up and it can go back and it can circle around. And when I enter a project

00:58:03.000 through the lens of desire as well, it does a thing where it takes it out of a sort of,

00:58:08.020 I'll have like a mental outline, say I'm like writing something. Or sometimes if I feel stuck

00:58:14.020 in like a maze i'll just go back out and i'll just like write a poem i'll just do i'll just like

00:58:20.620 make a bowl of pasta i don't know you know what i mean i'm just in it and then i'm like oh this is

00:58:26.860 what it means to feel alive we'll come back to that i think that the juxtaposition of being the

00:58:35.220 descendants of people who were enslaved and then becoming working class members of a capitalist

00:58:42.960 society has us stuck in a loop of thinking that we are a means of production. Particularly for

00:58:51.180 Black women, we are the creators of the capital that made this place. The capital came out of us, 0.97

00:58:59.080 the capital that made this place that we now live in, whether it is here in the United States or

00:59:03.980 the Caribbean or any of those places that were created by the capital that we gave birth to.

00:59:08.860 so when you think about black women and femmes because that was what we did historically

00:59:14.020 there is a way that we glorify being a means of production right I remember being married

00:59:22.720 not to say anything bad about anybody who was married but I wake up every morning and the

00:59:28.040 first prayer I give is of thanksgiving and I ain't nobody's wife but anyway we'll move on

00:59:32.580 but I remember being married and before I would fall asleep I would do a checklist

00:59:39.500 of had I made everybody happy that day right and as I began to descend into madness in that

00:59:48.980 marriage literally I'm I'm I'm a writer so it's gonna sound real flowery but that's what the

00:59:53.840 hell was going on um I got a wonderful black woman therapist all praises to her I will continue to

00:59:59.260 praise her name forever in this lifetime and the next and she asked me one time are you on the 0.67

01:00:05.280 checklist and that was blasphemous to me what would I be doing on the checklist she was like

01:00:14.560 you don't check to see in a day if you've made yourself happy I was not raised to do that

01:00:21.180 I was not raised to do and I tell you I was raised by a family of witches 1.00

01:00:25.620 by today's standards i was raised by a family of bad bitches that's what people call the kind 1.00

01:00:31.280 of women that raised me no joke that's the kind of women that raised me they were hell raisers right 1.00

01:00:36.460 but still i was not raised to before i fell asleep put myself on the checklist of people

01:00:45.740 that i made happy and when she put that thought in my mind that was what planted the seed for 0.88

01:00:53.420 the path that i find myself on today because i was like well damn not only should i be on the list

01:01:00.120 why is anybody else on the list if i'm going to sleep shouldn't i be making sure i made myself

01:01:08.220 happy today the other people need to check and see if they happy children husband lovers of any

01:01:14.540 kind cats you know whatever other kind of pet i've had they need to check on themselves i need 1.00

01:01:20.660 to be checking on myself but that is always a radical thought for black women and femmes we are 0.97

01:01:28.500 used to and very um entrenched in thinking of ourselves as a means of production and everyone

01:01:36.300 is in a capitalist society but because of that place that we hold as the creators of capital 0.61

01:01:42.340 there is a particular type of way that it's entrenched and so when you're counseling black 0.79

01:01:47.720 women or doing divination for black women or teaching black women about magic you have to 0.90

01:01:52.460 spend so much time stripping down that layer that just gets to the human being and and every 0.55

01:01:59.980 that don't teach any class without saying you're not a means of production sometime when you do a

01:02:05.980 divination or shun will say tell this person that she needs to take at least two baths a day

01:02:11.220 and she needs to sleep for at least 10 hours, and what do I hear every time? I don't have time to do

01:02:18.040 that. You ain't got time to wash your ass. What kind of life is you living where you ain't made 1.00

01:02:24.760 time to wash your ass, right? That's a sin. Now, that's a sin. You see what I'm saying? 1.00

01:02:31.220 And you ain't got time to get adequate sleep. What kind of life are you living, right? But we

01:02:37.200 are entrenched in that so I think that it's always revolutionary it is always a liberation force

01:02:45.040 to say I am a human being and what I want matters not because it's good for anybody else

01:02:52.340 but because it's going to put a smile on my face it's going to make me giggle it's not going to

01:02:58.360 save the community it's not going to even make my children happy my lover is not going to think that

01:03:04.020 is exceptionally beautiful but i am going to giggle when i do it i can't believe i did that 0.95

01:03:11.020 that's reason enough that's reason enough nobody is a means of production but black woman you in

01:03:17.960 particular you're not a mule we we really there's a work in coming up out of that way of seeing

01:03:27.980 ourselves that is a daily thing even for me still now as a wonderful 53 year old cron daily there is

01:03:35.740 a reminder that i'm not a mule right because somebody who you think you owe service to is

01:03:41.680 gonna come and ask you to do something i got six kids so every day somebody's asking me to do

01:03:46.440 something right and certainly i owe service to people i don't right every day somebody's gonna

01:03:53.540 to come and ask you to do something so every day it's a conversation of are you a human being or

01:03:58.400 are you a mute what thing are you right so yes I definitely feel what you just said Thea

01:04:06.480 there's something for me about the cost because there's a cost to the type of liberation

01:04:17.180 that we're walking towards that we're yearning for that right and so the cost

01:04:25.480 of not doing it I think we have to see that the cost of not doing it is bigger than the cost of

01:04:34.780 doing it because there's so few of us actually doing it like let's be real like throughout

01:04:39.740 history that's why we know people's names because there's so few so it's like

01:04:46.700 I'm a daughter my mother doesn't go for all this stuff you know the only reason she doesn't bust

01:04:51.980 in this door is because she's sleeping right now right so there's always like some sort of some

01:04:56.780 expectation and there is a cost to say not you me and I think that for some of us it's just too high

01:05:10.760 maybe next lifetime right you know what erica said right next maybe i'll be free in my next

01:05:17.560 lifetime but in this lifetime i'm just gonna like go along i'm gonna be i'm just gonna go along to

01:05:24.280 get along right and so it's like yeah i think that there's a very real cost that to this walk

01:05:33.160 that um we don't always see on tiktok and like the social medias when people are like you know

01:05:40.640 like in the flowers and i'm on there too so it's like fine but i'm just saying there's like a cost

01:05:45.380 to like true liberation for black women fans in particular this is an outside this is an outside

01:05:54.640 existence for most of us i will say right

01:05:59.540 and uh i just want to add like um loli you were saying before like if the people around you aren't

01:06:09.820 aren't giving you that energy aren't lifting you up then they're not for you and you know um but

01:06:14.940 that's the kind of cost that you're talking about zoe it's like it's really heartbreaking when you 0.90

01:06:20.940 realize that the people that you thought were there for you aren't there for you and but again 0.89

01:06:26.700 like knowing your self-worth being your authentic self this this is the cost we're talking about

01:06:33.420 it hurts it hurts really bad but in my experience it's been worth it it still hurts it hurts every

01:06:41.420 day but it's it's still it's still worth it for me and that's okay but it does hurt and i want to

01:06:49.580 thank you for reminding us that it's not it's not free you know liberation is not free and it's not

01:06:56.220 even cheap and i think it was faith ringgold who said that um it never ends it's a constant struggle

01:07:03.100 right and she wrote a lot about that and painted about it too and i want to ask the astrologers

01:07:11.340 if you find that you know pluto taking 800 years or whatever it is to do its course does that make

01:07:18.780 you sort of release that urgency of capitalism because you know that we're we're on a different

01:07:28.060 timeline than maybe western thought would have us believe i mean there's so much to say there

01:07:34.480 because it's pluto right so it's already an invitation to relinquish surrender and like

01:07:41.900 shed some skin um there's a real serpentine quality to to being able to let go of past

01:07:49.260 selves past versions and i feel like i've been saying this for a while like we are at such

01:07:55.820 precipice energy. So Pluto is about to, for the first time in 15 years, switch signs from Capricorn

01:08:06.060 and earth sign to Aquarius and air sign. And it hasn't been in Aquarius since like the 1700s.

01:08:14.160 And so it's a big deal. We'll get like a three month sneak peek and then it'll back up.

01:08:19.860 And I've been thinking a lot about this because sometimes I'm like, oh, that feels a little scary,

01:08:23.380 right it's a little scary how it's gonna hit my Aquarius moon um but uh but you know I'm okay

01:08:31.500 like I'm okay to be scared and I also think I also think that there's

01:08:36.860 people are scared because the structures that were erected during you know Pluto and Capricorn

01:08:49.260 um or just like during if we go even back further during the course of building and erecting empires

01:08:57.480 during colonialism um you get we know that these structures cannot hold that they're crumbling

01:09:05.080 and it just really feels like that the call is to like where is our power and it is with

01:09:14.840 this sort of being at the precipice of change being willing to see like and the ways that

01:09:24.660 people are going to share resources share power but also that there's going to be a total shift

01:09:30.520 also because we've now we're having um we're in the Aquarius like the grand conjunctions between

01:09:37.320 Saturn and Jupiter which set the collective tone are happening in air science so there we've left

01:09:43.160 the era of earth and we're entering the era of air. This is how we can all gather from our separate

01:09:47.900 physical locations and gather in spirit. And if you think about that exchange, it's a complete

01:09:54.700 dispersion, right? There's a sort of, we can use our power of the collective. We can form groups

01:10:02.560 and organizations. We don't need capitals. We don't need erected, you know, like buildings. We don't

01:10:09.900 need traditional power structures we don't need figureheads we are our own figureheads we can

01:10:15.740 and that I I think that there's going to be fear but there's going to also be people who

01:10:21.760 as we were saying in the beginning who are born at this exact moment for that call and and we can do

01:10:29.360 it together and we can hold each other up when the moments get really scary because that's where

01:10:37.360 our powers. I just wanted to add to that. When I think about Pluto in Aquarius, of course, we have

01:10:43.400 to look back in history. And as Thea was saying, the last time Pluto was in Aquarius was in the

01:10:48.580 1700s. This is also literally the time of the Haitian Revolution, one of the greatest acts

01:10:54.520 of freedom that was not given, it was taken. So when I think about the cost of liberation

01:11:01.600 as witches, we understand there's a balance in everything. We understand that there are

01:11:05.940 sacrifices to be had. And so Pluto and Aquarius is really going to ask us, are you ready to provide

01:11:14.340 the offering? Are you ready to give up the offering? Are you ready to give and put the

01:11:18.500 sacrifice on the altar and say, take it? Pluto, power and control, yes, but Aquarius is the 11th

01:11:27.920 house. It's the in-between, right? The 10th house to me is the material realm. The 12th house is

01:11:32.660 the spiritual realm. So we're in this, we're going into this in-between space where people

01:11:37.080 are becoming more aware of themselves. Aquarians are known to be revolutionaries and innovators

01:11:42.840 because they understand that balance of the in-between. They understand the balance of both

01:11:46.780 the material realm and the spiritual realm. And knowing that, you know, you don't have to give up

01:11:52.620 one over the other. There does have to be balance, but it does come with sacrifice. And the Haitian

01:11:58.260 Revolution, even looking at my ancestors of Jamaica, they had the most revolutions in terms 0.53

01:12:04.600 of uprisings in history in slavery, okay, in Jamaica. And they also are the island, the only

01:12:09.600 country that has the most churches per kilometer in the world. That speaks volumes to me. And I

01:12:16.460 think that everyone is ready for that change. I believe that the scandemic, yes, I'm calling it 1.00

01:12:21.720 the scandemic. I don't care who wants to cancel if you're saying that. The scandemic was a reminder

01:12:25.700 of what you can do on your own it was a dark time for a lot of people and there was a lot of

01:12:31.400 transitions of of souls and etc but it was a reminder of what you can do on your own

01:12:36.780 um the queen transition okay when that happened it was like a confirmation of everything that we

01:12:45.340 already knew was coming because before that happened there were certain islands in the

01:12:49.660 Caribbean that said we are separating ourselves from the monarchy Barbados and Jamaica being a

01:12:53.960 couple of them. Fast forward eight months later, less than a year later, and the queen is gone.

01:12:58.900 These are signs of Pluto entering Aquarius. These are signs of the birth, the rebirth, maybe even,

01:13:06.260 of the revolution, which we say is not to be televised. Well, we'll see about that.

01:13:12.680 But it comes from sacrifice. And Capricorn, who is a cardinal sign, is still earth and can be

01:13:20.400 also very egoistic and very much I want the stability I want the safety net I don't want

01:13:24.960 to give this up because I work so hard for it let that go right there's a bigger picture that is

01:13:32.920 being conjured and brewed at the time at the moment and Saturn entering Pisces you know on

01:13:38.980 on the 7th of March is just the cherry on top of all that right so if you don't know you're

01:13:46.080 find out real soon because Saturn in Pisces is going to ensure that okay and I'm talking to all

01:13:50.760 the Pisces placements all the Gemini placements Sagittarius placements Virgo placements I'm talking

01:13:54.680 to you um so yeah it's time and honestly there's a lot of fear that is around Pluto Aquarius

01:14:03.760 because it does bring on the change of technology and the rise of the robots and all these other

01:14:09.080 things in between but no one should be afraid you know do not fear the change and if there is fear

01:14:16.060 fear is just a lack of knowledge right and knowledge is power but wisdom is the magic that

01:14:22.720 is knowledge applied so educate yourself prepare yourself accordingly ask yourself what does that

01:14:28.580 mean what does that look like what does spirit tell you it looks like what does your community

01:14:32.860 tell you it looks like what is your community projecting and telling you what it looks like

01:14:36.760 and are you okay with that and if not how can you change it this is the time to do that

01:14:46.060 Yes. I feel like you have all brought this same energy, but Thea gave us the name, this precipice energy. Something is about to happen. And I'm so grateful to have been in the room to witness the formulation of this precipice energy.

01:15:05.340 maybe what Zoe would call the the beginning of the fool's journey out into the unknown but equipped

01:15:11.940 equipped so our time went so fast but I I want to give you an all an opportunity to tell us

01:15:21.760 how our listeners can shower you with abundance because um Asha Frost is an

01:15:30.000 an Indigenous writer, and she recently wrote, people ask me all the time, how can they support

01:15:36.940 Indigenous people? And she says, she said, I say, we're all around you. We write books, we make art,

01:15:47.000 we own stores. So if any of you are wondering, you know, how can I celebrate Black History Month?

01:15:53.660 Well, there are amazing black witches all around you who do charts, who write books,

01:16:00.680 who teach classes. 0.97

01:16:02.000 You don't need to ask.

01:16:03.620 You just need to look.

01:16:05.540 So I'm going to start with Zoe and ask how, if our listeners want to get in touch with

01:16:10.420 you and shower you with abundance, how might they do that?

01:16:13.900 Oh, there's so many ways to shower me with abundance.

01:16:17.240 Okay, so I have two books.

01:16:19.940 um one is called from ashes to angels dust a journey through womanhood and that is a collection

01:16:25.040 of interviews i did with survivors of domestic and sexual violence chronicling their stories

01:16:30.620 and there's also poetry in there and then my second book is in praise of the witch so you can

01:16:35.660 get either one of those books you can get them at um you can ask them if you don't want to go to the

01:16:40.340 you know those other stores you can go to your independent stores and they will order them

01:16:44.560 for you um this week i'm actually starting a tarot 101 class it is a six-week course um we

01:16:53.460 will have started by the time this airs but there will be another one after this one so

01:16:57.840 you can go to my website iamzoeflowers.com and i do lots of different readings tarot and all that

01:17:05.580 good stuff and i am going to be making magical candles very soon magically infused candles

01:17:12.300 so when those come out y'all can buy them i had a preview when i visited your place and they are

01:17:20.600 so self-evidently magical as soon as you look at them you're like this has power sherry shown

01:17:29.880 call forth the shower of abundance from our listeners i am so happy to share with y'all

01:17:36.960 okay so if you want to shower me with abundance um you can go to um that hoodoolady.com that's

01:17:44.060 where you can buy book two um hoodoo for everyone you can also ask for the hoodoo guide to the bible

01:17:52.720 i call that the red one it's the white and red book it's my very first book that was that was

01:17:58.320 birthed on sow in 2019 um we have an additional thing um i i agree with zoe that working with

01:18:07.820 your local black-owned bipoc indigenous-owned commute i mean all of it you know if you were in

01:18:17.500 the oregon area the washington state area the northwest area and you're not buying your books

01:18:24.060 from third eye bookstore i'm just saying okay there's so many other things out there okay so

01:18:30.040 there's that um i am working with three sisters from vegas here in oregon and myself and we are

01:18:39.460 putting together y'all a hoodoo wine and sip event

01:18:45.860 and i'm walking in my abundance that this will be the the first one will be in may

01:18:55.520 and the rest we will continue to go from state to state to state to bless everyone in this hoodoo and

01:19:03.980 wine and sip if y'all got to see this beautiful image that we're going to create it's yeah and

01:19:12.520 it's and it's hoodoo based but it's also goddess energy but it's also witchy but it's also

01:19:19.540 everything just in the painting that you're going to be drawing it is abundance in it it's it's

01:19:27.040 elements that you need for hoodoo it's elements that you need to continue to walk in your own

01:19:31.540 worth and walk in your own acceptance of conjure so many of us in conjure have been told i'm not

01:19:36.880 black enough to practice. I'm not whatever enough. It's always that enough. Have y'all noticed that

01:19:43.580 when anyone tries to bring you down, they say you aren't enough. Like they have a wand that

01:19:50.380 you have to fight for anyway. So that's how you can work with me. And we'll put all of this on

01:20:00.660 on the website of course where the show notes for this episode loli moon loli moon

01:20:06.420 the shower of abundance will rain upon you yes um if anything was ignited in you as i was speaking

01:20:15.280 um you can definitely check with me via instagram at mystic moon medicine no funny spelling because

01:20:22.400 there are a lot of uh there's scammers and people out there trying to i'm sure imitate all of us

01:20:27.120 you know um so at mystic moon on instagram mysticmedicine.com as well um also patreon

01:20:35.580 where there is astrology 101 and a bunch of other things between that i pour into there

01:20:40.260 and i have a podcast what's the brew with lily moon where i go on my tantrums of lighting fires

01:20:46.640 and all sorts of things and um yeah i think that's it amazing listeners

01:20:56.340 please please for your own good really it's for your own good

01:21:01.880 thea hi okay my child's crying so i'm gonna make it quick um

01:21:09.720 my website is thea nischelle.com and like nancy like nischelle nichols and my um

01:21:21.560 my Instagram is Thea Astrology, T-H-E-A Astrology. And I, you can, if you want a reading with me,

01:21:32.760 I would love it. And I also, I really focus on natal readings, electional, astromagic, timing,

01:21:40.620 all of those things. So if you want to get married, if you want to like launch a business,

01:21:45.900 speaking of abundance, like ask me and I'll pick the date. Okay. So I also have a short story coming

01:21:55.960 out as a part of the infinite constellations anthology, which is actually not astrologically

01:22:03.000 related, but it is a speculative future anthology with writers from the global majority. It is,

01:22:10.540 i'm so excited for this group of writers it comes out march 7th this year and it's the the other

01:22:17.760 contributors are just blown my mind so far um so you can pre-order it now but support your local

01:22:23.100 bookshop and get that um in addition i was gonna say oh uh i am the director of production at the

01:22:31.880 channy app which is the app by channy nicholas supports healing and mindfulness and y'all we

01:22:37.560 have the best art it is a company that lives its values if you want to talk about radical abundance

01:22:41.660 and we have like beautiful physical products now as well so it's really exciting um and so that

01:22:49.280 would be like a way also to support um but yeah also just give me vibes i take them

01:22:54.660 so many vibes and so very very very much more olomi can you give us your abundance shower and

01:23:04.620 then if you would be gracious enough to take us out with a short reading so that we can just bask

01:23:10.240 in that as we as we exit the circle thank you so much olomi definitely will um my abundant shower

01:23:18.060 i am got to be ocean on all platforms g-o-t the number two the letter b-o-s-h-u-n um i teach

01:23:27.900 witchy wednesday courses ever since the overturn of roe versus way that's what ocean has caused me

01:23:33.540 to um called me to do so i do those every wednesday of various and sundry on various

01:23:39.780 and sundry topics for february we'll be doing who do as a spiritual liberation technology so

01:23:45.640 please check those out um what other ways can you shout me i'm also got to be ocean on cash app

01:23:53.380 and i take um good vibes as well i do have books on amazon on agabani raising revolutionaries which

01:24:03.380 is my Black homeschooling and unschooling book, Ona Agbani, which is my first book on

01:24:09.400 the tradition of the Inago people, and then Shotito, which is my second book on the tradition

01:24:15.500 of the Inago people. So what we're going to read from tonight is Ona Agbani, and we're going to

01:24:23.300 talk about Eniyan. So Eniyan is one of the Inago or Yoruba words for people, and it means one who

01:24:29.940 is chosen. That's what being a human being means, is one who is chosen. Once an anion is given birth

01:24:38.300 to on the physical plane, it is her duty to revere those spiritual and physical forces that provided

01:24:45.220 the body in which to live and a family line in which to be born. This is accomplished through

01:24:51.680 the reverence of one's family and one's family egun, which is your ancestors. Worship of your

01:24:59.200 ancestors keeps you in contact with the goals of your family lineage as well as your own and

01:25:08.200 the term Egun means bones and it generally is used to denote the spiritual force of one's

01:25:20.180 bloodline ancestors and the force that is held within your body. So I wanted to read that passage

01:25:27.800 to remind you of the miracle of your birth and that it is a self-projected miracle you are one

01:25:37.280 chosen to be here your ancestors referred to all of us as anyon you chose the time the space the

01:25:45.360 lineage in which to be born and so it is a self-created miracle so as we talk about our

01:25:51.820 power tonight. I wanted to read this to remind you that your first powerful masterpiece is what

01:26:01.000 you're looking at in the mirror. That's your first powerful masterpiece. You went into the womb of

01:26:07.060 your mother, and you decided that those cells would begin to divide. And look at you. There

01:26:12.600 you are perfect perfect and fulfilling this destiny thank you all so much for creating future

01:26:24.520 histories of black magic and for helping me celebrate all of you and each other and community

01:26:32.600 and precipice energy thank you so much all of you for being on the precipice with me tonight

01:26:40.260 for being in circle for sharing your ideas with our listeners

01:26:45.140 a deep breath and just so much gratitude zoe sherry olomi thea loli amazing amazing amazing

01:26:59.960 amazing i'm so grateful i'm so grateful and listeners all of this not all of the information

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Missing Witches - February 16, 2023

Future Histories Of Black Magic - Black Witch Council 2023 Part 2 with Zoe Flowers, Loli Moon, Thea Anderson, Sherry Shone and OlaOmi Amoloku

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