Missing Witches - March 21, 2021


MW Audre Lorde - Moon Marked And Touched By Sun

Topics
Ostara 2021: Healing, Resistance And Writing Books w Amanda Yates Garcia WF Dr Beverly Smith - Anything That We Do To Help Each Other Is Resistance

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43 minutes

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6,542

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00:00:17.220 You aren't being a proper woman, therefore you must be a witch. 1.00
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00:00:25.060 Moon marked and touched by sun 0.94
00:00:28.820 Her magic is unwritten
00:00:31.440 But when the sea turns back
00:00:34.120 It will leave her shape behind 0.93
00:00:36.200 When self-described black, lesbian, mother, warrior, poet
00:00:41.520 Audre Lorde wrote those words in the first person
00:00:44.600 In A Woman Speaks 1.00
00:00:45.760 She was only partly correct 0.99
00:00:47.540 Some, though definitely not all
00:00:50.460 Of her magic is most assuredly written
00:00:54.820 Audrey has been on my Missing Witches to-do list pretty much from the jump.
00:00:58.680 My first Twitter account still shows one of her quotes as my pinned tweet.
00:01:02.660 I put a clip of her reading A Woman Speaks in an episode of our first season.
00:01:06.780 But I kept putting Audrey's story on the back burner.
00:01:09.780 I'll be honest, writing about Audrey scares me.
00:01:13.000 Smarter people than me have written theses and diatribes on her work.
00:01:16.880 The ultimate sister outsider who led a complex life from inside an even more complex identity.
00:01:23.520 The ultimate sister outsider whose primary message was that we can look, act, think, be different, and still unified.
00:01:33.220 The ultimate sister outsider who shouts in my ear that I am not free while any woman is unfree, even though her shackles are different than my own.
00:01:42.240 How can I express here the debt of gratitude I owe to the person who taught me the lesson from that pinned tweet?
00:01:48.760 If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me
00:01:54.520 and eaten alive. I do not want to fuck this up. For me, for this coven, for Audrey. 0.55
00:02:02.120 My hope is to inspire our coven members who don't know Audrey Lorde to seek her out, read all her
00:02:07.380 books, and fall in love. Pro tip, start with her collection of essays, Sister Outsider, Be Forever
00:02:13.400 changed, and better prepared to change the world. The essays included bear such titles as
00:02:18.840 Poetry is Not a Luxury, Uses of the Erotic, the Erotic is Power, Uses of Anger, and The Master's
00:02:28.480 Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House. Those of you who already adore and admire Audrey
00:02:34.900 as much as I do, or know her better than I do, I'm still working through her catalogue. I hope
00:02:40.020 you'll let me know how I can be of better service to her name if I fuck it up. So why now? Why choose
00:02:47.380 the spring of 2021 to break my self-imposed silence? Well, it's because 2020 was fucking 0.99
00:02:54.760 crazy natch. But amidst the chaos, a new awareness, maybe even a new hope was brewing. A radical future 0.97
00:03:03.320 that we were envisioning together where access to healthcare matters, where social and economic 0.99
00:03:09.380 justice matter where black lives fucking matter? Now, a year later, we are left with what feels 0.97
00:03:17.560 sometimes like only paint flaking off one's proudly muraled streets. The cancellation of
00:03:24.120 Aunt Jemima, a white supremacist population that was so freaked out by the riots that they doubled
00:03:29.680 down on their own racism, despite the offending movement having already been co-opted by white
00:03:35.580 people who were not listening. And it got me to thinking about Audrey and her words.
00:03:42.380 I was brought or made very, very conscious of the ways in which black women and white women 0.79
00:03:48.280 do not hear each other. Angie Franklin, the founder of Afro Yoga, in her essay,
00:03:54.940 Ghosted by Allies, Why Bi POC Still Can't Trust White People with Social Justice, wrote, 0.95
00:04:00.040 We all knew it was coming. I'd venture to say every single black person in America not only knew it was coming, but was actively waiting for it to happen. 0.99
00:04:09.260 After the Black Square badge of anti-racism, the allyship die-off was not surprising, nor was it a new experience for us.
00:04:16.900 What was new was Black Lives Matter and social justice going viral. 0.94
00:04:21.080 All of a sudden, people gave a fuck about us, or acted like they did. 0.95
00:04:24.720 Because it was trending, and the perception of white people teetered on whether they showed public support for black lives. 0.99
00:04:31.160 Businesses scrambled to photograph black models to diversify their feeds and commercials.
00:04:36.800 White people moved out of the way on the street to let us pass, and expressed their condolences.
00:04:41.880 During this tumultuous time for black folks in America, it was as if we were supposed to relish in the fact that the whole world was expressing love for us.
00:04:50.040 But the truth was, we knew it wouldn't last.
00:04:52.340 And it didn't.
00:04:54.720 So that's why we've gathered today to raise the voice of Audre Lorde, a black, lesbian, warrior, poet who never stopped speaking out, though she often felt that speaking to white women about racism was, quote, wasted energy because of destructive guilt and defensiveness.
00:05:11.280 As the New York Times poll quote on the back of Sister Outsider, at least the edition I have, states,
00:05:18.140 Lorde's work will be important to those truly interested in growing up sensitive, intelligent, and aware.
00:05:26.340 If I had to choose a singular, necessary voice for these times, for this coven, it would be Audrey's,
00:05:32.960 as she guides us to unlearn and work against our own destructive guilt and defensiveness.
00:05:39.320 And in this, we must not give up.
00:05:42.440 Protests do make change, although it feels agonizingly slow.
00:05:47.400 One study measured a post-Ferguson possible coronation between BLM and police homicide numbers.
00:05:53.180 It found that municipalities where BLM protests have been held experienced as much as a 20% decrease in killings by police.
00:06:01.940 The occurrence of local protests increased the likelihood of police departments adopting body-worn cameras,
00:06:07.120 and community policing initiatives.
00:06:09.900 Remember, protest comes in many forms,
00:06:11.980 but obviously there is still much witch work to be done. 0.93
00:06:16.620 Audrey said,
00:06:17.480 a poetry reading is a ritual of shared emotional experience.
00:06:23.240 There is a touching, a strengthening of what I'm trying to do with my poetry
00:06:26.620 and a connection between people,
00:06:28.560 which I believe is what poetry is all about.
00:06:32.700 I hope this is also true of podcasts.
00:06:34.980 earlier i said that smarter people than me have written about audrey and i want to point to one
00:06:40.740 of those smarter than me is now the incomparable angela davis who in a speech about audrey at
00:06:46.400 medgar evers college boiled much of audrey's philosophy down to a single chantable catch
00:06:51.160 phrase of a message unity does not require that we be identical recalling a conversation with
00:06:58.840 audrey angela quotes her we sometimes find it difficult to deal constructively with the genuine
00:07:04.040 differences between us and to recognize that unity does not require that we be identical to
00:07:09.040 each other. Audrey spoke of the influence of homophobia in conversations about race and the
00:07:14.220 influence of race on conversations about sex and gender. Angela says Audrey, quote, worked hard to
00:07:20.060 pull apart the assumption that sameness was a prerequisite for unity. We continue to rely on
00:07:27.320 her insights whenever we attempt to imagine and organize radical movements that bring together
00:07:32.600 people across racial, gender, sexual, national borders.
00:07:39.660 Audrey's work speaks to the ideas of both community and individualism.
00:07:45.060 She insists that we speak our truths, but also, as importantly, that we shut up and
00:07:50.940 listen to the truths of others.
00:07:53.960 Angela Davis said, Western cultures have had a hard time allowing difference to do its
00:07:58.940 work.
00:07:59.320 In order to be acceptable, it has to be capable of integration, incorporation, homogenization.
00:08:06.400 This logic has helped to bolster not only homophobia, but racisms of many sorts.
00:08:11.960 Anti-Indigenous, anti-Black, anti-Latino, anti-Asian, anti-Muslim.
00:08:17.620 In Age, Race, Sex, and Class, Audrey wrote,
00:08:20.600 Too often we pour the energy needed for recognizing and exploring difference
00:08:24.980 into pretending those differences are insurmountable barriers,
00:08:28.500 or that they do not exist at all.
00:08:31.900 This results in voluntary isolation or false and treacherous connections.
00:08:37.500 Either way, we do not develop tools for using difference as a springboard
00:08:41.300 for creative change within our lives.
00:08:44.660 We speak not of human difference, but of human deviance.
00:08:49.800 For Audrey, difference is not a barrier, but a creative resource
00:08:53.620 with limitless potential that requires both our voices and our ears.
00:08:57.620 our minds and souls in equal measure. Because again, Audrey didn't believe in the imposed
00:09:04.220 binary of life. She saw no distinction between her poetry and her academic critical theory.
00:09:10.340 Nancy K. Barano wrote in her introduction to Sister Outsider,
00:09:14.120 we have been told that poetry expresses what we feel and theory states what we know.
00:09:18.880 The white Western patriarchal ordering of things requires that we believe that there is an inherent
00:09:25.620 conflict between what we feel and what we think, between poetry and theory. We are easier to
00:09:32.420 control when one part of ourselves is split from another, fragmented, off-balance. There are other
00:09:39.360 configurations, however, other ways of experiencing the world, though they are often difficult to name.
00:09:45.840 We can sense them and seek their articulation, because it is the work of feminism, and I'll add
00:09:52.940 here, witchcraft, to make connections, to heal unnecessary divisions. Sister Outsider is a reason 1.00
00:10:02.380 for hope. Audre Lorde's writing is an impulse toward wholeness. If I didn't define myself for
00:10:12.780 myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive. You know,
00:10:19.560 we don't have control over a lot in this world. We are prisoners of our place and time, the skin
00:10:26.100 we're in, bodies and families we did not choose, but there are things we get to choose. Our priorities
00:10:32.920 beyond basic needs, how we conduct ourselves, the lens through which we observe the world, and how
00:10:37.980 we act upon those observations. One of these choices is a more common struggle than most of us
00:10:44.300 would like to believe. Whether it is nobler to define ourselves for ourselves, or be eaten alive,
00:10:51.840 to feed the expectations of others. This is a decision that creeps into every moment of every
00:10:57.580 day, whether we acknowledge it or not. How you present, how you behave, how you talk or don't
00:11:03.500 talk. How you choose a lover or a job. Will you live who you are and be an outsider, or pretend
00:11:10.700 to be what someone else wants you to be, slowly eaten away by the corrosive gastric acids inside
00:11:17.740 the belly of society's beast. I was born working class and white in a white working class town.
00:11:24.300 There was nothing about me that really stood out on a surface level, but like Audrey, I had a family
00:11:29.980 and classmates that didn't understand me. I was weird, I am weird, anxious but creative.
00:11:36.780 I learned very early that I had two options. Stand out and take the heat. Teasing. Insults. Threats. Popcorn landing in my hair from across the hall.
00:11:49.300 Or I could blend in. Fade away. The real me. The weird, trans-aggressive me. Eaten alive and disappeared.
00:11:58.860 The privilege is that I had a choice
00:12:02.740 Most people cannot change or hide what makes them the other 1.00
00:12:07.780 I entered the world in a white suit of armor with a female chink 1.00
00:12:13.120 Us others, and I do still choke on this word other 1.00
00:12:17.500 Surely women, femmes, POCs, queers, witches, the differently abled and atypically the generally not normal 1.00
00:12:24.100 constitute the majority in this world 1.00
00:12:27.080 But us, we grew up knowing that we had to be twice as good to get half as far.
00:12:31.640 Audrey describes what she calls a, quote, mythical norm,
00:12:35.880 which each of us within our hearts knows, that's not me.
00:12:39.880 In America, this norm is usually defined as white, thin, male, young, heterosexual,
00:12:45.240 Christian, and financially secure.
00:12:48.160 It is with this mythical norm that the trappings of power reside within society.
00:12:52.940 those of us who stand outside that power often identify one way in which we are different,
00:12:58.560 and we assume that to be the primary cause of all oppression, forgetting other distortions
00:13:03.000 around difference, some of which we ourselves may be practicing. By and large, within the women's
00:13:08.400 movement today, white women focus upon their oppression as women and ignore the differences
00:13:12.580 of race, sexual preference, class, and age. There is a pretense to a homogeneity of experience 0.95
00:13:18.560 It's covered by the word sisterhood that does not, in fact, exist.
00:13:25.620 Kathleen Newman Brengang wrote,
00:13:28.080 Black History Month has almost always been about paying tribute to the history of black people in this country.
00:13:33.480 A history that is full of pain, or stories, of extraordinary human beings
00:13:37.780 whose contributions to the fabric of this nation are overlooked and ignored.
00:13:42.140 Black trauma, or excellence. No in-between. 0.99
00:13:45.180 I hope all this listening and learning and feigned wokeness of last summer starts to pay off in tangible ways.
00:13:52.720 This is the time for allies to prove they've actually been listening.
00:13:56.240 It's their time to pick up the burden. 0.98
00:13:58.380 I hope this month is different not just because non-black people are promising to do better, but because they are actually following through. 0.99
00:14:06.100 There are many aspects to authenticity, dear Coven, and one is to practice what we preach. 1.00
00:14:13.780 Back up our hashtags with real listening, real learning, and real action.
00:14:20.000 Brene Brown said,
00:14:21.460 So maybe in addition to our various definitions of authenticity, there are two different definitions of safety here.
00:14:38.600 There's the safety of security
00:14:41.500 A normal family, normal friends, a normal job, a retirement fund, suburban home
00:14:47.080 A self that fits into the norm
00:14:49.680 An unrocked boat
00:14:51.780 I think this is the kind of safety Brene means here with her eat-pray-love journey of discovery and self-actualization
00:14:59.320 But there's another kind of safety that lives on the flip side of authenticity
00:15:03.280 Actual, physical, psychological, life-threatening danger
00:15:09.180 So, before we carry on with this Audre Lorde-inspired sermon on being yourself,
00:15:13.640 let me just acknowledge that there are places where you can be killed, legally or illegally,
00:15:18.760 or driven to suicidal thoughts for being yourself. 0.99
00:15:22.120 If that self is witchy, queer, slutty, loud, trans, or even just different. 0.99
00:15:29.460 If this applies to you, know that you owe your true self only to yourself. 0.99
00:15:35.740 It's okay to keep your secret safe until you can get to a place where you and your secret are safe.
00:15:43.140 You can look for that place, whether it's a different country or a different coven.
00:15:48.880 We know that growth lives outside of our comfort zones in taking chances and being vulnerable,
00:15:54.400 but once again, safe from being killed? Important.
00:15:59.140 Safe from people kind of looking at you funny on the street? Not as important.
00:16:04.980 As Audrey wrote in her poem Coal, there are many kinds of open, how a diamond comes into a knot of flame, how a sound comes into a word, coloured by who pays what for speaking.
00:16:20.300 Audrey reminds us that the price for speaking out is much higher for some than for others. For some, speaking out could mean death.
00:16:29.240 So, because in this non-binary universe there are no either-ors, only ands, and because visibility 1.00
00:16:37.780 matters, sometimes we have to make sacrifices to make things easier for the next generation, 1.00
00:16:43.320 protecting them from future harm. We must paradoxically strive to be safe and brave.
00:16:51.360 Audrey reminds us in her essay, The Transformation of Silence into Language and Action,
00:16:55.900 I have come to believe over and over again that what is most important to me must be spoken,
00:17:02.760 made verbal, and shared, even at the risk of having it bruised or misunderstood.
00:17:09.340 Audrey's book Zami is what she calls a mythobiography, chronicling her early life,
00:17:14.240 and I honestly should have just named this episode Go Read Everything You Can by Audrey Lorde,
00:17:19.120 but here's a taste. 1.00
00:17:20.820 De Lois lived up the block on 142nd Street and never had her hair done, 1.00
00:17:25.300 and all the neighbor women sucked their teeth as she walked by. 1.00
00:17:29.120 Her crispy hair twinkled in the summer sun 1.00
00:17:31.380 as her big, proud stomach moved her on down the block while I watched,
00:17:35.840 not caring whether or not she was a poem.
00:17:39.060 Even though I tied my shoes and tried to peep under her blouse as she passed by,
00:17:42.780 I never spoke to DeLois because my mother didn't.
00:17:46.560 But I loved her because she moved like she felt she was somebody special.
00:17:51.860 Like somebody I'd like to know someday.
00:17:54.700 She moved like how I thought God's mother must have moved,
00:17:58.060 and my mother, once upon a time, and someday, maybe me.
00:18:04.120 Who is your Delois? Do you remember?
00:18:07.520 In your childhood, seeing someone who, by behaving as if they were someone special,
00:18:11.940 inspired you to express your true self?
00:18:14.840 I have a few.
00:18:16.040 Documentary clips of Haight Ashbury in 1967.
00:18:19.460 Grace Jones and Philip Tracy.
00:18:21.820 John Waters' Hairspray.
00:18:23.720 But the most visceral, Delois-style memory I have is seeing the club kids on Geraldo. 0.60
00:18:29.980 I was 12 years old, and even though they were set up as punchlines for audience mockery and disdain,
00:18:35.260 no one knew then that Michael Alec would murder Angel Melendez six years later.
00:18:39.820 The party monster himself died last year, so...
00:18:43.380 Needless to say, the idolatry began and ended in the early 90s, but the spark, oof, the spark only grew.
00:18:51.360 So, even though they were set up as punchlines for audience mockery and disdain,
00:18:56.200 all I saw was art and freedom embodied, superficial as it may have been.
00:19:02.920 I want this podcast to be a Deloes.
00:19:05.480 I want you to hear about these witches and walk taller, prouder, 0.99
00:19:11.080 though they may suck their teeth as you pass,
00:19:14.180 knowing that you are somebody special, an insider to a rich and powerful lineage.
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00:20:39.920 In Zami, Audrey wrote this passage
00:20:42.200 a rollercoaster of delight and sorrow.
00:20:46.080 In high school, my best friends were 0.99
00:20:48.580 the branded,
00:20:51.060 as our sisterhood of rebels
00:20:52.400 sometimes called ourselves.
00:20:54.340 But sometimes I was close to crazy
00:20:56.200 with believing that there was some secret thing
00:20:58.300 wrong with me personally that formed
00:21:00.140 an invisible barrier between me
00:21:02.080 and the rest of my friends who were white what was it that kept people from inviting me to their
00:21:08.160 houses their parties their summer homes for a weekend was it their mothers did not like them
00:21:12.500 to have friends the way my mother didn't did their mothers caution them about never trusting
00:21:17.740 outsiders but they visited each other there was something here that i was missing obviously the
00:21:24.600 trouble was me. I had no word for racism. We were the branded, the lunatic fringe, proud of our
00:21:33.440 outrageousness and our madness, our bizarre colored inks and quill pens. We learned how to mock the 0.86
00:21:39.960 straight set, and how to cultivate our group paranoia into an instinct for self-protection
00:21:44.960 that always stopped our shenanigans just short of expulsion. We wrote obscure poetry and cherished
00:21:50.960 our strangeness as the spoils of default. And in the process, we learned that pain and
00:21:56.820 rejection hurt, but that they weren't fatal. And that they could be useful, since they
00:22:03.100 couldn't be avoided. We learned that not feeling at all was worse than hurting. At that time,
00:22:09.860 suffering was clearly what we did best. We became the branded, because we learned how
00:22:13.880 to make a virtue of it. It was in high school that I came to believe that I was different
00:22:19.140 from my white classmates, not because I was black, but because I was me.
00:22:26.140 In her 1980 essay, Age, Race, Sex, and Class, Audrey describes,
00:22:31.300 As a 49-year-old black lesbian feminist socialist mother of two, including one boy, and a member
00:22:37.660 of an interracial couple, I usually find myself part of some group defined as other, deviant,
00:22:44.080 inferior, or just plain wrong. But this was Audrey from the Jump. Born in the New York City of 1934,
00:22:53.040 she was the youngest of three sisters. Her two older sisters formed a pair of placid perfection,
00:22:59.500 while Audrey was, according to her biographer Alexis DeVoe, recalcitrant. In this biography,
00:23:07.700 Warrior Woman, Alexis wrote, her memories of childhood became almost mythic constructions 0.80
00:23:13.160 of an ugly duckling who was legally blind before age five, clumsy, inarticulate, born 0.98
00:23:19.400 left-handed, a stutterer who got whipped repeatedly, fat, and black. By her own accounts, she 0.99
00:23:27.280 was lonely, unwanted, and unloved.
00:23:33.160 Audrey's sisters, Phyllis and Helen, in addition to being closer in humor, were also closer 0.99
00:23:37.680 in age, so they became a duo, leaving Audrey to find her way as a third wheel without an 0.99
00:23:42.960 Axel. Helen and Phyllis were obedient Catholic girls, wrote Alexis. They learned their catechisms
00:23:48.880 inside out, never questioned the nuns, and did what they were told. Audrey was, on the other
00:23:54.860 hand, recalcitrant, refusing to fit into the mold. Audrey argued and reasoned and questioned. 1.00
00:24:04.360 Her grades for conduct were consistently lower than her grades for academics. She wrote her
00:24:09.880 first poem at 13 and had one published at 15 in 17 magazine. Before her death at age 58,
00:24:16.580 she lived in Germany and Grenada, worked as a librarian, professor, poet, world-class,
00:24:21.960 world-changing public speaker, activist, and created a legacy that I hope will inform our
00:24:28.560 collective future. There's a video on YouTube that I'll put in the show notes where Audrey
00:24:33.340 reads her poem, A Woman Speaks, the poem for which this episode is titled. Moon marked and
00:24:39.100 touched by sun, my magic is unwritten. But when the sea turns back, they will leave my shape
00:24:46.080 behind. Later, I have been woman for a long time. Beware my smile. I am treacherous with old magic.
00:24:58.720 But before she goes into her reading, Audrey makes the statement I mentioned before, saying,
00:25:03.400 I've just returned from a feminist conference and a book fair in London, where for a week,
00:25:08.320 over and over again, I was brought or made very, very conscious of the ways in which black women
00:25:13.720 and white women do not hear each other. So, yet again, this is an attempt. 0.93
00:25:22.000 Audrey made many attempts over her life and career to be heard to make it clear that her voice needed
00:25:27.120 to be heard. In an interview, she said, words had an energy and a power, and I came to respect that
00:25:32.700 power early. Has anyone ever told you when you were angry or frustrated to use your words?
00:25:39.760 That's Audrey. She used her words to channel frustration, open doors, and dialogues that a
00:25:45.220 lot of us are too scared to even approach. One night she was driving and heard on the news that
00:25:50.620 a 10-year-old boy had been shot by police. She pulled over and wrote her poem, Power.
00:25:56.380 I am lost without imagery or magic
00:26:01.800 Trying to make power out of hatred and destruction
00:26:06.580 Her An Open Letter to Mary Daly
00:26:10.780 is a crash course masterclass in calling in before you call out
00:26:14.820 and I'm going to read a bunch of it here
00:26:16.660 because we are by necessity more enlightened people for having read it
00:26:20.300 but please go read the whole letter
00:26:22.840 I'll put a link in the show notes
00:26:24.300 It was extremely difficult to cut this letter's pages down for time.
00:26:30.480 How do you edit something that's already perfect? I tried.
00:26:35.260 In a preamble to the publication of this letter, Audrey wrote,
00:26:38.620 the following letter was written to Mary Daly, author of Gyne Ecology, on May 6, 1979.
00:26:45.700 Four months later, having received no reply, I open it to the community of women.
00:26:51.700 So here's some quick background before we get into the letter.
00:26:54.300 In 1978's Gynecology, Daly claimed that male culture was the direct evil opposite of female nature,
00:27:02.040 and that the ultimate purpose of men was death of both women and nature.
00:27:07.420 Daly contrasted women's life-giving powers with men's death-dealing powers.
00:27:12.120 Now, I haven't read Gynecology, and I'm not nearly as into gender essentialism
00:27:16.880 as some of the radical feminists I've read about with their all-female utopias. 0.98
00:27:21.800 But damn, there's something to that. 1.00
00:27:25.780 Let's replace the reductive men with white supremacist capitalist patriarchy and read it again. 1.00
00:27:32.020 The ultimate purpose of white supremacist capitalist patriarchy is death of both women and nature. 0.98
00:27:41.520 That feels real.
00:27:44.100 Audrey had some issues with the book and so wrote the following letter.
00:27:47.000 Here's most of it.
00:27:48.700 Dear Mary,
00:27:49.660 When I started reading Gyne Ecology,
00:27:52.020 I was truly excited by the vision behind your words
00:27:54.760 and nodded my head as you spoke in your first passage of myth and mystification.
00:28:00.200 Your words on the nature and function of the goddess,
00:28:03.040 as well as the ways in which her face has been obscured,
00:28:05.940 agreed with what I myself have discovered in my searches,
00:28:08.880 through African myth, legend, religion,
00:28:11.880 for the true nature of old female power. 1.00
00:28:14.680 So I wondered, why doesn't Mary deal with Afrikete as an example? 0.64
00:28:17.980 Why are her goddess images only white, western, European, Judeo-Christian?
00:28:25.980 Where was Afrikete, Yemiah, Oyo, and Moelisa?
00:28:33.200 Where were the warrior goddesses of Vodan, the Dahomian Amazons, and the warrior women of Dan? 0.94
00:28:40.140 Well, I thought, Mary has made a conscious decision to narrow her scope and deal only with the ecology of western European women. 0.82
00:28:46.380 Then I came to the first three chapters of your second passage, and it was obvious that you were dealing with non-European women, but only as victims and prayers upon each other.
00:28:56.960 I began to feel my history and my mythic background distorted by the absence of any images of my foremothers in power.
00:29:03.920 Your inclusion of African genital mutilation was an important and necessary piece in any consideration of female ecology, and too little has been written about it.
00:29:12.320 To imply, however, that all women suffer the same oppression, simply because we are women, is to lose sight of the many varied tools of patriarchy.
00:29:21.380 It is to ignore how those tools are used by women without awareness against each other.
00:29:26.840 To dismiss our black foremothers may well be to dismiss where European women learned to love.
00:29:33.900 As an African American woman in white patriarchy, I am used to having my archetypal experience distorted and trivialized.
00:29:41.120 but it is terribly painful to feel it being done by a woman whose knowledge so much touches my own.
00:29:48.680 When I speak of knowledge, as you know, I am speaking of that dark and true depth
00:29:52.700 which understanding serves, waits upon, and makes accessible through language to ourselves and
00:29:59.320 others. It is this depth within each of us that nurtures vision. What you excluded from gynecology
00:30:05.980 dismissed my heritage and the heritage of all other non-European women and denied the real
00:30:10.740 connections that exist between all of us. It is obvious that you have done a tremendous amount 0.80
00:30:15.560 of work for this book, but simply because so little material on non-white female power and
00:30:20.760 symbol exists in white women's words from a radical feminist perspective, to exclude this
00:30:27.160 aspect of connection from even comment in your work is to deny the fountain of non-European 0.99
00:30:33.080 female strength and power that nurtures each of our visions. It is to make a point by choice.
00:30:41.740 Then, to realize that the only quotations from black women's words were the ones you used to introduce your chapter on African genital mutilation made me question why you needed to use them at all.
00:30:51.200 For my part, I felt that you had in fact misused my words, utilized them only to testify against myself as a woman of color.
00:30:59.080 So the question arises in my mind, Mary, do you ever really read the work of black women?
00:31:05.320 Did you ever read my words, or did you merely finger through them for quotations which you
00:31:09.680 thought might valuably support an already conceived idea concerning some old and distorted
00:31:15.940 connection between us? This is not a rhetorical question. Have you read my work and the work of
00:31:23.020 other black women for what it could give you? Or did you hunt through only to find words that
00:31:27.740 would legitimize your chapter on African genital mutilation in the eyes of other black women?
00:31:31.920 And if so, then why not use our words to legitimize or illustrate the other places where we connect in our being and becoming?
00:31:41.340 If, on the other hand, it was not black women you were attempting to reach, in what way did our words illustrate your point for white women?
00:31:48.800 Mary, I ask that you be aware of how this serves the destructive forces of racism and separation between women.
00:31:55.100 the assumption that the herstory and myth of white women is the legitimate and sole herstory
00:32:01.500 and myth of all women is to call upon for power and background, and that non-white women in our
00:32:07.440 herstories are noteworthy only as decorations or examples of female victimization. I ask that you
00:32:12.680 be aware of the effect that this dismissal has upon the community of black women and other women
00:32:17.680 of color, and how it devalues your own words. This dismissal does not essentially differ from
00:32:23.860 From the specialized devaluations that make black women prey, for instance, to the murders
00:32:29.580 even now happening in your own city. 0.96
00:32:32.660 When patriarchy dismisses us, it encourages our murders. 1.00
00:32:37.300 When radical lesbian feminist theory dismisses us, it encourages its own demise.
00:32:43.940 This dismissal stands as a real roadblock to communication between us.
00:32:48.340 This block makes it far easier to turn away from you completely than to attempt to understand
00:32:53.140 the thinking behind your choices. Should the next step be war between us, or separation?
00:32:59.540 Assimilation within a solely Western European herstory is not acceptable.
00:33:04.180 Mary, I ask that you remember what is dark and ancient and divine within yourself that aids
00:33:10.940 your speaking. As outsiders, we need each other for support and connection and all the other
00:33:17.360 necessities of living on the borders. But in order to come together, we must recognize each other.
00:33:26.220 Surely you know that for non-white women in this country, there is an 80% fatality rate from breast
00:33:31.800 cancer, three times the number of unnecessary eventrations, hysterectomies, and sterilizations
00:33:38.080 as for white women, three times as many chances of being raped, murdered, or assaulted as exist 0.96
00:33:44.300 for white women. These are statistical facts, not coincidences, nor paranoid fantasies. 0.98
00:33:53.340 Within the community of women, racism is a reality, force, in my life, as it is not in yours.
00:34:01.700 The white women with hoods on in Ohio handing out KKK literature on the street may not like 0.98
00:34:06.700 what you have to say, but they will shoot me on sight. If you and I were to walk into a classroom 0.99
00:34:13.340 of women in dismal gulch Alabama where the only thing they know about each of us is that we were 0.91
00:34:19.540 both lesbian radical feminist? You would see exactly what I mean. The oppression of women 0.80
00:34:26.420 knows no ethnic nor racial boundaries true, but that does not mean it is identical within those
00:34:32.900 differences, nor do the reservoirs of our ancient power know these boundaries. To deal with one 0.64
00:34:40.140 without even alluding to the other is to distort our commonality as well as our difference
00:34:46.380 for then beyond sisterhood is still racism we first met at the mla panel the transformation
00:34:55.780 of silence into language and action this letter attempts to break a silence which i had imposed
00:35:02.300 upon myself shortly before that date i had decided never again to speak to white women about racism
00:35:08.980 I felt it was wasted energy because of the destructive guilt and defensiveness,
00:35:15.000 and because whatever I had to say might be better said by white women to one another, 0.71
00:35:19.920 at far less emotional cost to the speaker, and probably with better hearing.
00:35:26.580 But I would like not to destroy you in my consciousness, nor to have to.
00:35:32.880 So as a sister hag, I ask you to speak to my perceptions.
00:35:36.920 Whether or not you do, Mary, again, I thank you for what I have learned from you.
00:35:43.420 This letter is in repayment. 0.99
00:35:46.140 In the hands of Afrikete, Audrey Lord 1.00
00:35:49.460 Oh, Audrey, like, I learned something from you, now I'm going to repay you by teaching you something 1.00
00:36:00.320 is an excellent approach to disagreement, criticism, and communal understanding.
00:36:05.140 It turns out that Mary did write back.
00:36:07.300 Her response was found among Audrey's papers after she died.
00:36:11.120 I won't read you the response because it felt to me like a lot of excuses,
00:36:14.800 the caliber of which includes but is not limited to,
00:36:17.620 I didn't have your address.
00:36:20.040 But I will note one thing.
00:36:22.160 Audrey's letter was dated May 6, 1979.
00:36:25.160 Mary Daly's response was dated September 22, 1979,
00:36:30.980 four and a half months later.
00:36:34.320 You'll recall that Audrey said she had waited four months for a response,
00:36:38.320 so I can't help but wonder if Mary got wind of Audrey taking the letter public,
00:36:42.520 and only then wrote back, you know, for the optics.
00:36:47.340 We know that Audrey is a role model, a vocal advocate of the power of difference and unity,
00:36:52.500 but does that make her a witch?
00:36:54.220 Maybe.
00:36:55.640 But this is the Missing Witches podcast,
00:36:57.560 so let's focus for a minute on the spiritual path of our sister outsider.
00:37:01.000 Her poems speak of a soul, black and proud, seeking and finding the gods of her ancestors
00:37:08.660 while lamenting a history that tried to erase them.
00:37:12.420 Her poems The Winds of Orisha and From the House of Yumaia ring out with lines like
00:37:16.820 I will become myself an incantation.
00:37:21.360 And I am the sun and moon and forever hungry.
00:37:26.860 For me, since the Missing Witches book, available now, is structured around the wheel of the year,
00:37:34.660 Audrey's poems Solstice and Equinox are of particular interest. Audrey describes her poem
00:37:40.640 Solstice as a call to power. Our skins are empty. They have been vacated by spirits who are angered
00:37:48.000 by our reluctance to feed them. Equinox. Today, both children came home from school talking about
00:37:55.720 spring and peace. And I wonder if they will ever know it. I want to tell them we have no right to
00:38:02.560 spring, because our sisters and brothers are burning, because every year the oil grows thicker, 0.99
00:38:07.620 and even the earth is crying, because black is beautiful but currently going out of style.
00:38:14.600 That we must be very strong and love each other in order to go on living.
00:38:19.960 Nature is real and tangible, the environment we live in, the topography of parks,
00:38:27.680 windowsill gardens and forests, the movement of the earth and sun. But we witches also live
00:38:33.040 inside the metaphor of nature, the solstice when we are decided, clear and full, the equinox when
00:38:39.780 we are malleable and admire the transitional times. The spring equinox brings the promise
00:38:45.580 of growth, but that growth depends on the seeds we plant. It is the same for farmers
00:38:51.120 as it is for activists and poets. We must be very strong and love each other in order
00:38:57.880 to go on living." Audrey was diagnosed with breast cancer in 1978 and had a mastectomy.
00:39:04.960 In her battle, she used her words, writing the cancer journals, and viewing her cancer
00:39:09.260 as another difference on which she would not be silent or rendered invisible.
00:39:13.840 Prosthesis offers the empty comfort of nobody will know the difference.
00:39:17.740 But it is that very difference which I wish to affirm, because I have lived it, and survived it, and wish to share that strength with other women.
00:39:27.740 If we are to translate the silence surrounding breast cancer into language and action against this scourge,
00:39:34.500 then the first step is that women with mastectomies must become visible to each other.
00:39:39.080 Of all the thousands, literally thousands of memeable quotes I could have chosen for the
00:39:46.920 title of this episode, I went with Moonmarked and Touched by Sun, because I feel like, in a way,
00:39:52.260 it sums Audrey and us up. The moon and sun are individual celestial objects. The moon is an
00:39:59.580 independent being, and yet what we perceive of it is largely dictated by the reflected light of the
00:40:05.240 sun. We must look beyond what we are told to find the truth, knowing we are affected
00:40:11.360 by both. Our existence relies equally on light and darkness, in all its beautiful difference.
00:40:20.860 Where we are on the earth and in our lives dictates what and how we see. Audrey declared
00:40:28.020 herself both the sun and moon. The sun and moon and we need not be identical to be unified in
00:40:38.460 the dance of our reality. Here in the Missing Witch's Coven, I want us all to feel like we
00:40:44.680 belong. Not because we are all the same, but because we appreciate and admire each other's
00:40:50.160 differences. That here, if nowhere else, we are insiders, each bringing our own strengths
00:40:58.300 and vulnerabilities, our powers, our variant and atypical strands, forming a web overlaid
00:41:06.400 in delicate protection of our unity. That as you listen to my voice, Risa's and our guests' voices,
00:41:15.640 that you also feel heard.
00:41:19.240 A sister among all we outsiders.
00:41:25.320 Tending to each other's battle wounds and emotional scars.
00:41:29.740 Wailing sympathetically like a less creepy midsummer harga cult
00:41:33.420 and using that collective strength of difference and unity
00:41:36.560 to carry on the fight.
00:41:39.780 Be very strong and love each other
00:41:43.420 in order to go on living.
00:41:48.820 Today I'll leave you with this.
00:41:51.280 In Age, Race, Sex, and Class, Audrey wrote,
00:41:55.780 Change means growth, and growth can be painful.
00:42:01.020 But we sharpen self-definition by exposing the self in work and struggle
00:42:05.740 together with those whom we define as different from ourselves,
00:42:09.800 although sharing the same goals.
00:42:11.340 For black and white, old and young, lesbian and heterosexual women alike, this can mean new paths to our survival.
00:42:23.040 We have chosen each other, at the edge of each other's battles.
00:42:28.180 The war is the same. If we lose, someday women's blood will congeal upon a dead planet. 1.00
00:42:34.820 If we win, there is no telling.
00:42:38.020 We seek beyond history for a new and more possible meeting.
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00:43:08.020 I'll see you next week.