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00:02:25.340And today, I'm so thrilled to be joined by the co-founder of the 60s Scoop Network and a carrier of ceremonial teachings, Elaine Kiknosway.
00:02:39.200Hi, Elaine. Thank you so much for sitting down with me today.
00:02:44.140Bonjour. It's so nice to meet you and see you.
00:02:47.760Yes, it's so wonderful to be in this space with you.
00:02:51.380This is your first time on the Missing Witches podcast.
00:02:54.600So maybe you could start by introducing yourself to our listeners.
00:05:44.520But also within our friendship and my view of her as a very confidant and one that's been there to carry the, what they say, carry the road with, you know, the good path with.
00:12:12.380And it shouldn't be shocking when this country discovers bodies at residential schools or the tuberculosis centers where they were relocated and centered, you know, where we were sent.
00:13:58.600And you are living proof that this is not ancient history by any means. This is living history. I think the last residential school in Canada was closed in the 1990s, which was really not that long ago.
00:14:18.880Yeah, and the Inuit one closed in 1997. The Indian one closed in 1996. So the Inuit one closed in 1997. We have to remember those different conversations, not all the group homes, not all the old homes.
00:14:37.180Yeah, you have, like my younger brothers went to Prince Albert Residential School. So it's like, if you were born at a certain time, before 1997, if you were Enoch, or Indian, because that's what the government called us back then, 1996, all the way, right?
00:15:02.120So think of, well, 2025, so think of a 35-year-old, a 40-year-old.
00:15:16.300And they're living amongst us, as they seem.
00:15:20.520They're living amongst us and still carrying the heart rate.
00:15:32.120Because it was still a distension of your land, your community, language, your family, and having to live amongst hierarchy that sometimes completely silenced voices.
00:21:20.760And you just kind of stand there and you're like, where?
00:21:24.000Because you didn't know you were the Indian, but you know that there's a difference depending on the age you were apprehended.
00:21:34.440Like I was a toddler, but I already knew the feel of my mother, the feel of my siblings, the smell of my character, the teas and the carnation milk that I drank, the moose meat.
00:21:50.100And, you know, the community remembrance, your body remembers those different fields of safety.
00:21:58.380But you also remember the trauma, too, and the terrorizing that happened at the Middle Ages.
00:22:05.080And you don't even know, and nobody's explaining anything.
00:22:08.560No one's talking about mental health for little people back then.
00:22:11.720You know, it was just like, we're saving them.
00:22:14.940And the commercializing that was placed on us, too.
00:22:19.520We were in catalogs, we were in commercials, we were in newspapers, we were in our daily child, whether it was on TV or in newspapers.
00:22:49.520And not always ensuring or following up with these families or making friendships with these families so that it was given the interpretation that your child welfare worker was friends with the family.
00:23:04.900You had to play nice with your child welfare worker.
00:28:16.760So it's kind of like my own talking, like, yep, that's where I was, and that was the age, and I reunited in 1996, and I'm still in that conversation of how am I still consistently engaging with my own family, and I'm still learning, you know, even after 30 years.
00:28:38.300And even opening the child welfare files together as siblings, like what would happen? Holy heck, there's a lot to learn.
00:28:46.520um listeners i want to remind you that um you can join our reparations fundraiser and possibly
00:28:54.840win a prize by donating to the 60s scoop network so elaine i want to know like how did you conjure
00:29:03.400the fortitude to not only you know um get sober get clean go to school get all of your certificates
00:29:12.200but then to found this 60s scoop network how did you conjure that strength to take your pain
00:29:19.440and turn it into something that was going to benefit other people there were other survivors
00:29:24.960here like a lot were brought ottawa like a lot of survivors 60s scoop specific or ottawa so0.90
00:29:33.820So there used to be a beautiful young lady.
00:29:37.900She passed away, Leslie Parley and Bob.
00:29:41.780And when I say Bob, it means that they were living here once, but their memory stays.
00:29:59.780And I was kind of ticked off because Eric Robinson had had a roundtable, I think it was like 2012, and had a roundtable of 60 Scoop survivors and kind of doing a report on 60 Scoop survivors.
00:38:08.920Because that didn't happen very often.0.80
00:38:13.880We have space for survivors, specifically a 60-scoop survivor.
00:38:19.500Because sometimes we were raised with our siblings.
00:38:25.260Sometimes we were raised in isolation.
00:38:27.940Sometimes we were adopted and returned.
00:38:31.560And then adopted again, and then returned.
00:38:34.940Sometimes we were raised only in group homes.
00:38:37.300Sometimes we were raised in this space of orphanage.
00:38:41.140So there's a lot of isolation, and trying to explain that to the outside world, and then bringing survivors all together by saying, we might understand a little, we might not, but we all have a shared experience called child welfare, the beginning of this different place called the school.
00:40:01.160and um it was just really incredible because we didn't know and people some people came from
00:40:08.760vancouver some people came from close like i just thought it was going to be like just ottawa peoples
00:40:14.380ottawa survivors but i didn't realize how far of a catch in this social media learning
00:40:20.860back then to now it just kind of spread and and i was like i guess you know and and they had
00:40:30.780organized you know an intake and who was coming who wasn't and and we were just like if you can0.79
00:40:37.400make it here we'll try and set you up and that's where the non-indigenous stepped forward and0.98
00:40:42.280we'll billet people we'll we'll drive them we'll help with food and you know i remember going to0.76
00:40:49.020the grocery store and um and and helping you know uh that had been hired and and needing to start
00:40:57.660So I had to leave them at the grocery store and they were all mad when they, you know, but the reality is, you know, I wanted to be there on time, you know, and it's hard to coordinate everything to be there at the same time too.
00:41:11.900And sometimes, you know, like, if you look at the first picture of the survivors, you know, like, we've lost some of them now.
00:41:28.200And there was people that wanted to come to that place of, you know, like, wanting to be there for them and with them and understanding whatever the circumstances, sometimes they weren't all there.
00:41:43.880That's that, you know, we didn't find everybody yet.
00:45:07.020abuse for your whole life, none of that would be bad, it would never happen, generally
00:45:22.020You know, you're medically, you're physically, school-wide, home-wide, you know, trauma-informed wellness, you know.
00:45:42.520We would all have that knowledge that if one got hurt, we would understand we're all hurt, and the water would be clean, and there would be no extracts, and then no idea that was conversational or separatism.
00:49:24.980I really appreciate you singing for us and taking the time to sit down with me.
00:49:32.480Again, can you remind our listeners how they can support the Sixties Scoop Network and your work generally?
00:49:42.240Well, look us up. We're at 60scoopnetwork.org. You can listen to our upcoming podcast. We're getting into podcasting.
00:50:00.540We have a donate in-kind services we provide, legal options for 60 Scoop survivors, the different media and news, the DNA genetic, the trauma-informed training, the mapping, the resources in the community event.
00:50:23.460So that's that important place of ensuring that you follow through.
00:50:30.540And then follow through again, and then check it again, and then make it a part of your daily habit of how am I helping in this community on this land that I live on that may be benefiting.
00:50:45.640thank you so much elaine listeners again that's the 60s scoop network of course all of these links
00:50:55.880and also to find elaine on social media even though she's busy watching cat videos we can still
00:51:03.960follow her to keep up with what elaine is doing again thank you so much for sitting down with me
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00:51:32.680are envisioning here today thank you again so much elaine kick nasley it's been a joy to be
00:51:40.520in circle with you i can't wait to have another conversation in the future you're welcome thank0.82
00:51:46.880you so much kina's commented hi hi and blessed fucking me1.00