Missing Witches - Witches Found： Part 2 - The Medium of Life with Jacqueline Beaumont

00:00:00.680 Here's part two of my conversation with Jackie Beaumont on Missing Witches, Witches Found. 1.00

00:00:07.000 I read a trans woman talking about her female penis. 1.00

00:00:11.780 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:00:12.840 And this is something that a lot of our listeners, because my mind was like, right?

00:00:16.920 Yeah. 0.99

00:00:17.320 But of course I'd never thought about a female penis because... 1.00

00:00:19.940 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:00:20.860 Exactly, yeah, because...

00:00:21.740 But like, why not?

00:00:23.100 Why not?

00:00:23.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:24.280 Again, you're the scientist here, but as far as I know, and we talk about sexuality being

00:00:32.080 a spectrum, but like biological sex is also a spectrum.

00:00:36.780 Again, listeners, it's easy and lazy to put people into one of two categories because

00:00:42.740 then you only have two categories you need to send people into. 1.00

00:00:45.600 But it's not just about, do you have a penis or a vagina? 1.00

00:00:49.260 We are chemical soups, all of us. 1.00

00:00:52.460 Oh yeah.

00:00:53.140 And I'm looking at my own reflection in the mirror, and I probably have a little more testosterone maybe again.

00:00:58.100 Like, we are all chemical soups.

00:01:00.360 It's not just a question of you are this and you are that.

00:01:02.700 We are literally all just like a mix.

00:01:05.420 And this binaric opposition of male and female also completely discounts intersex people.

00:01:10.260 Exactly. 0.98

00:01:11.220 And so they're being chopped up as babies because they're born.

00:01:15.740 Exactly.

00:01:16.100 And then whoever, the doctor, the parents are like, well, you don't fit into one of these two categories, so we're going to cut you up.

00:01:22.460 Yeah.

00:01:22.560 and now the laws are changing about this yes oh gosh and again like now we're having conversations 1.00

00:01:27.660 about female penises like the world is changing for the better definitely so how do you as a witch 1.00

00:01:34.980 um take up your female space without that sort of like conventional femininity how does your 0.99

00:01:43.140 femininity manifest that's my question yeah i i think my i i try to make sure that in my own head

00:01:50.520 And when I look in the mirror and I'm just riddled with dysphoria, I try to remind myself

00:01:58.020 that my femininity and my transness isn't dependent on what I look like, and I would

00:02:06.700 much rather focus my attention on what I can provide for the world from my brain rather

00:02:12.520 than my beauty.

00:02:13.720 and I think that my femininity manifests itself in a more academic way I guess that's a terrible

00:02:24.580 way to put it but like I don't think so as a woman of the academy myself we love anything

00:02:31.680 that's like yeah yeah fancy book fancy book gender definitely definitely yeah so um yeah I think that

00:02:39.120 I think that's more so where I would categorize the manifestation of my femininity is that

00:02:46.840 I try to, I don't know, I try to step back from those normalist notions of it. 0.73

00:02:52.460 And I actually get some flack from trans women, actually.

00:02:56.280 I've been told off on many occasions online that I'm not a transgender woman, I'm just

00:03:07.660 a transsexual woman who is a cross-dresser and i'm like sorry what and they're like oh well in 0.61

00:03:14.440 order to be a trans woman you need to shave all of your hair on your body so in order for me to 0.99

00:03:20.520 be a cis woman i also have to do that because i fucked that up apparently yeah it's super airy 0.95

00:03:25.580 exactly so that doesn't seem fair exactly yeah and and i was just like i'm i'm really sorry i 0.93

00:03:31.260 i must have not i must have dropped the handbook that you got when you became transgender i lost

00:03:36.740 mine and i'm i'm so sorry i i guess i missed that yeah exactly can i get your copy of the

00:03:41.740 transgender manual of how to go about grooming myself um and it's like to have that i mean of

00:03:50.920 course there's there's a generational gap within a lot of those women that were trying to tell me to

00:03:56.860 conform to this uh for a lot of trans women um and for a lot of trans men as well and non-binary

00:04:04.740 people they do have to conform for their safety um because they need to go unnoticed passing means

00:04:13.420 not attracting attention exactly yes incurring the violence exactly yeah and um and i think and i

00:04:20.400 think another thing within that is uh passing privilege um which for anyone who doesn't really

00:04:27.140 know it's like passing privilege is a trans person who passes perfectly as their gender and so

00:04:36.220 in in that like the i've i've heard stories of trans women who have been on the metro and and a

00:04:45.660 man will see a transgender woman who doesn't who who hasn't um manifested herself physically as well

00:04:53.640 as long as another trans woman would 0.80

00:04:56.120 and therefore is a little bit more 0.77

00:04:58.460 and I'm using air quotations

00:05:00.000 clockable

00:05:01.020 and

00:05:03.660 I remember hearing

00:05:06.140 the story about

00:05:07.000 the gentleman turning to the

00:05:09.880 passable trans woman and saying 1.00

00:05:11.500 oh geez look at that tranny 1.00

00:05:14.000 and 1.00

00:05:15.600 her just kind of 0.98

00:05:17.560 stepping back and being like

00:05:19.100 you didn't know

00:05:21.960 oh

00:05:22.840 Oh, like, and in that moment, you have the power to be able to be like, well, actually, you can either say, well, actually, in case you didn't know, I'm also trans.

00:05:33.060 And that's so not cool.

00:05:36.600 Yeah.

00:05:37.400 Or you can say, yeah, I know.

00:05:40.400 Right.

00:05:41.240 And and cover it up.

00:05:42.800 And I mean, and be like, yeah, exactly.

00:05:45.600 Yeah.

00:05:46.640 You're so passable that someone could be bigoted.

00:05:49.520 Exactly.

00:05:49.920 Oh, yeah.

00:05:51.560 Exactly.

00:05:52.420 Yeah.

00:05:52.580 and and i and i like i've i i've i've seen that in terms of like like trans pop stars nowadays

00:06:01.180 there's there's even there are some that don't talk about transness because they know that it'll

00:06:07.320 impact their career path um and i i hope that in that instance like i mean really weird example

00:06:16.240 but Kim Petras. Kim Petras was the youngest trans woman to ever transition. And then years 0.92

00:06:24.840 went by. Her name bubbled down a little bit. And she rose up as a pop star. And now she's

00:06:32.240 selling out stadiums now. And a lot of people don't even know she's trans. And it's like when 1.00

00:06:41.440 they realize that she's trans, they're like, oh, I didn't know that. She just looks like

00:06:46.080 every other girl and exactly and and again that's so much power that she has but i think 0.94

00:06:53.680 if if they if they have the privilege of not being in an in in a where they're not unsafe

00:07:01.740 i think it it's it's it's not their duty to say to speak up on behalf of us because i know how

00:07:11.980 hard it can be but i think passing privilege um that you do you do have that power and i think

00:07:19.060 that's a really incredible thing to be able to use and there's an economic privilege that plays

00:07:24.640 definitely as well i mean if you have that inside feeling but you don't have the coins to

00:07:29.420 manifest your transition yeah if you can't pay for your hormones yeah i mean exactly capitalism

00:07:37.360 I mean, in my case, I'm incredibly privileged.

00:07:43.200 I'm very young.

00:07:44.780 I'm very well-educated.

00:07:46.500 But unfortunately, because of my visual identity, it's very incredibly hard for me to get a job.

00:07:55.680 But I know academically, of course, I can get a job.

00:07:59.880 Thanks to my wonderful parents.

00:08:03.420 All the letters after your name.

00:08:04.860 Exactly, yes.

00:08:05.640 um and uh also i mean my white skin that definitely gives me a an endless amount of

00:08:13.080 privilege in this world so um i do have an i have an immense amount of power um and also

00:08:19.440 no matter what i have a safety net where my parents no matter what happens in my life if i fall

00:08:26.380 financially i have the support of them um i have the support of my friends i have the support of

00:08:32.560 my community so I am privileged enough that I can take all the hormones that I need which for me

00:08:38.720 with my 6'2 body is a lot of hormones yeah yeah yeah it's it's an insane amount of money that

00:08:47.180 goes in every month to it so and it's for me it's out of pocket so um but fortunately enough I'm in

00:08:55.660 a state of privilege to be able to afford all of that I'm able to afford these things

00:09:00.180 Maybe this is too personal, but how did you explain this to your parents?

00:09:04.140 Yeah, so, I mean, they've always known that I was non-binary.

00:09:08.680 I mean, I...

00:09:09.420 I mean, I don't know how old you are, but I'm going to assume your parents are, you know, older than me.

00:09:14.740 Yeah, they are older than you.

00:09:16.320 If you were born in the 80s, 90s, 80s, 2000s?

00:09:21.220 No.

00:09:21.720 You're 19?

00:09:22.340 No.

00:09:22.560 You're not 19?

00:09:23.380 No, I am 20.

00:09:25.400 Really?

00:09:26.040 I'm 20.

00:09:26.840 I'm 20 years old.

00:09:27.500 Oh, sweet little baby.

00:09:28.140 I'm a baby.

00:09:29.900 yes okay so your parents might be my age literally i'm 41 okay they're they're in their 50s though

00:09:36.380 oh okay so they might not necessarily know no i i mean yeah definitely they it's been a huge

00:09:43.140 learning game for them i could be your mother sorry she's hitting me now baby okay go ahead

00:09:49.180 so i mean like my my gender identity has always been very skewed my sexuality was never at all

00:09:59.280 it was always like so they're not straight um and you your parents were progressive yeah yeah

00:10:07.000 they were they were very progressive um i knew that no matter what situation i would never get

00:10:12.760 myself into trouble with them um they would always have my back which again is like a huge privilege

00:10:17.960 so um it's uh i growing up with them i um i mean i i barely even came out to them as gay

00:10:27.840 I my dad actually told me he was like uh do you mind like coming up to your mother before you

00:10:33.420 leave for university I'm like okay yeah sure it like I never told him it was just like a thing

00:10:40.000 that was unsaid um so I mean we certainly don't come out as like straight exactly like moment

00:10:49.140 where it's like a bar mitzvah yeah exactly yeah it should be great I mean I kind of wish we all

00:10:54.060 is right yeah exactly but also at the same time it's like i never really saw the point in it 0.74

00:10:59.640 because i mean i don't really want to discuss my sexual intercourse with my parents oh everyone 0.98

00:11:05.940 wants to talk about fucking with their parents are you crazy so i mean i i never i i was like 0.99

00:11:13.180 well all of my girlfriends don't have to talk about it with their parents so why should i have 1.00

00:11:19.560 to so i just never really talked about it i just went about my life and they were like

00:11:24.100 chill with that um and then uh i i mean i was always gender bending

00:11:30.220 air quotations um gender bending all the way through high school um and then basically when i

00:11:37.820 i i told them after i kicked my ex out um i told them that i wanted to go and start seeing a doctor

00:11:46.520 about getting some stuff worked on and looked at

00:11:50.940 and what the possibilities for me are.

00:11:53.740 And they were completely supportive of me all the way through.

00:11:58.340 Pronouns are still difficult.

00:12:03.060 And I think that for a lot of parents

00:12:11.260 that are extremely supportive and loving of their child,

00:12:15.400 they um it's sometimes difficult to make the the transition for pronouns for them because

00:12:23.160 the death of their boy exactly and and that it is they need to grieve the death of their child in

00:12:29.780 order to be able to embrace their daughter um or their son or whoever um their child is so um

00:12:39.660 and and i think that that is a huge turning point for parents where they're like oh wow

00:12:45.380 like they need to they need to go through the process of saying goodbye so that they can say

00:12:49.920 hello um the most supportive people like we're not androids no no yeah we're like okay compute

00:12:56.520 you are this now and now i'm just going to type it into my brain and yeah replace the file like

00:13:01.400 yeah exactly i know you're working towards like being a cyber yes but we're not there yet not

00:13:07.080 quite there yet um and i mean like like for me it's it's i mean when i'm out in public i it's

00:13:13.620 it's still even difficult because i'm like in my head i'm so feminine presenting and i'm such a

00:13:19.600 strong woman in my head that when i get misgendered in public i'm like like what okay i just want to

00:13:26.340 say that i'm a triple d and i get misgendered in public so don't you worry about that yeah exactly

00:13:31.660 i'm just like especially in the winter like sir yeah i'm like yeah yeah it's fine so it's like i

00:13:40.540 i'm i'm constantly like how how what it doesn't it doesn't compute with me but i mean

00:13:46.560 i guess i guess people just in their head they see certain things like my height and my shoulder

00:13:55.500 width and they're like well that's a man um yeah yeah exactly exactly so um and it it's they they

00:14:04.680 have to compute them into either man or woman they don't have anywhere in between so exactly

00:14:12.320 exactly and um and yeah and i mean just i mean even pronoun politics is it's a huge thing because

00:14:21.600 it's like even to just go around and say they to everyone you're misgendering people as well

00:14:28.360 because like for some of my trans women friends of mine that are like they go by she and they do

00:14:36.740 not go by the bay exactly yeah um yeah like they they don't want to be late sorry she i i should

00:14:46.360 use singular yeah i should i should use singular here she doesn't want to be called they because

00:14:52.280 that means that they err in an area of the non-binary,

00:14:57.660 and for her, she is she. 0.88

00:14:59.780 She's not they.

00:15:00.760 And I mean, maybe this is controversial.

00:15:04.820 You tell me if it's controversial.

00:15:09.680 Being trans, in a way,

00:15:13.640 supports the binary composition of male and female.

00:15:17.240 My voice is going up as a form of a question.

00:15:19.860 um i think i think in a lot of ways um yes and also some no yeah i mean yeah yes yes and no

00:15:28.460 yeah um it can it's completely subjective on the context so i mean like you were talking about

00:15:33.400 people who say you have to shave your legs yeah in order to be a proper trans woman exactly again

00:15:38.360 air quotes air quotes air quotes they're everywhere today proper yeah um so uh yeah there's there's

00:15:45.780 so many little ambiguous areas where i think i think in all honesty people just need to get used

00:15:53.440 to the the notion of asking someone what their pronouns are like when i'm it's it still like

00:16:00.380 catches me off guard when i'm in a meeting with a large group of people and we go like the moderator

00:16:07.820 of the research circle will be like okay so everyone go around say their name their favorite

00:16:16.040 food their pronoun and where they're from and normal icebreaker exactly it's yeah and and to

00:16:22.980 just normalize it in a way where it's it's not like oh but i i could see i could see in 98 of

00:16:30.660 all these people there they were just like up like i'd say 60 of them forgot about the pronoun

00:16:37.860 aspect of the questionnaire exactly and for a lot of people they don't even they've never even been

00:16:44.620 given the opportunity to question it so why would they think about it so i think if if it's if it's

00:16:50.480 more normalized then we're able to start to get it into people's heads this that it is it's

00:16:56.140 perfectly rational to think about this so i'm not going to use any of the names that are out there

00:17:01.300 people who are against pronoun choice because yeah their names are spoken enough but to me it's like

00:17:08.260 someone tells you their pronoun that's them saying here's how not to hurt me and if you're like well

00:17:15.200 screw that then you're saying i want to hurt you or i don't care about hurting you exactly if you're

00:17:21.620 confused about pronouns just stick to the person's name y'all yeah like you can say i went to jackie's 0.98

00:17:26.420 house and jackie and i went to the store and then jackie and i did this and jackie and i did that

00:17:30.280 and jackie and i we if we and i almost think that if we did do that if we got rid of pronouns

00:17:35.700 entirely then we're connecting with people on their humanity exactly this person is jackie

00:17:40.820 this isn't a he or a she or an it or a they or whatever horribleness you all want to come up

00:17:45.980 with for your own selves yeah um this is jackie exactly yes yeah exactly so if you're confused

00:17:56.680 use the person's first name exactly if you're confused and you're looking at somebody 0.98

00:18:00.880 just don't fucking worry about it yeah their genitals are none of your business anyway there's 0.98

00:18:08.140 no other situation in the world exactly where somebody's genitals are gonna inform your 0.99

00:18:12.640 conversation with them i'm sorry like just use their fucking name if you're confused precisely 0.98

00:18:17.740 this is me throwing my hands up couldn't agree more that's a mic drop perfect um okay so we are 0.97

00:18:26.280 here in part because i have a problem all righty and you know this problem i'm not springing anything

00:18:33.740 on jackie you listeners who think that i'm springing this i'm not we've talked about it

00:18:38.100 Um, we're juxtaposing this, uh, episode against with, not in a debate sense because we're

00:18:45.600 not fighting, we're learning, um, with the, uh, Zhijana Budapest episode who, her version

00:18:52.940 of Dianic Wicca only includes the womb, and it's very womb-centric.

00:19:00.860 Um, so I wanted Jackie to talk about turfdom.

00:19:04.440 And for those of you who didn't listen to the episode or don't know what a TERF is, it's an acronym that stands for Trans Excluding or Exclusive Radical Feminist.

00:19:15.900 Part of me, I don't get it because exclusivity is not my tea at all.

00:19:22.040 It's not what I'm like.

00:19:23.900 Inclusivity, intersectionality.

00:19:25.540 This is how we make good humanity. 0.99

00:19:27.860 yeah um but because of patriarchy and because the woman was smashed and smashed and smashed 1.00

00:19:34.500 like that's sort of where jenna was coming from where she wanted to create a safe space for women 1.00

00:19:38.940 but then she became the powerful one and excluded i don't even know what to make of it because i

00:19:48.640 understand the need for safe spaces i and i said this exactly in the episode so i'm going to have

00:19:53.820 jackie respond exactly to what i said in the episode which was this i get why jujana felt

00:19:59.300 that she needed to create safe space for women i do not get why she thinks she gets to decide

00:20:07.800 what a woman is so can we talk about that from like a pagan perspective yes please yes i would

00:20:15.140 love to thank you i think um if you go back historically the notion of the the mother and

00:20:23.780 the father are so deeply ingrained into the practice that it's to a lot of people it's like

00:20:30.560 well if we're following it by the book technically it says there's a mother and a father and the 0.99

00:20:37.440 mother as a female and has a vagina that gives birth um and my vagina is incapable of giving 1.00

00:20:45.560 birth by the way many many of them i don't even know if she sure would let me into her little 0.91

00:20:50.820 coffin exactly yeah yeah it's there's there's so and that's uh it's like there's so many different

00:20:58.000 ways to again what we were talking about in the first episode i was on like the the idea of to

00:21:05.960 be a woman is to have a womb or to be a woman is to bleed cuts not just it doesn't just cut out 0.97

00:21:13.100 many trans women because there are lots of trans women with perfectly functioning vaginas 0.99

00:21:19.180 and there are also lots of trans men with perfectly functioning vaginas exactly exactly and but it 0.89

00:21:28.360 also cuts out all these women that are were again lots of air quotations born a woman and um just

00:21:39.040 have infertility discriminate discriminate uh yeah let's go with discrimination like it's yeah

00:21:47.400 it's definitely i mean i won't get too much into my personal business but um i've told people like

00:21:56.280 i can't have children and then the next time i see them they're like when are you gonna have kids

00:22:00.120 and i'm like my body isn't going to do that it's not gonna happen like it's like i'm in a wheelchair

00:22:08.340 and you're like why don't you just go for a run when are you gonna start running and i'm like 0.89

00:22:12.340 because i fucking can't like but because i'm a married heterosexual woman this is the next step 0.76

00:22:19.480 anyway sorry yeah too much about me no it's okay it's okay um no i love to hear it um so 0.95

00:22:26.180 So I think if you go all the way back, yes, there is that notion of it, but also at the same time, there's so many things that need to be updated nowadays.

00:22:36.320 There's so many archaic ideas that, yeah, sure, they were based in a very good place, but now they need to adapt to a new era.

00:22:46.560 We're in a completely different epoch.

00:22:48.280 I mean, if we go way, way, way, way, way, way, way back, um, I mean, if, if many people don't know, the world used to run on a matrilineal cycle, uh, with matrilineal governance, um, and that's where the divine feminine idea was really born, really. 0.74

00:23:06.820 So in those societies, femininity was cherished and held to the highest prowess. 0.88

00:23:15.560 And nowadays, it's just kicked and smashed down underneath patriarchy.

00:23:20.880 So, but, I mean, deeper within Dianic or Turfdom, there...

00:23:32.820 Sorry, we're just going to have to, like, cut here.

00:23:36.640 I need to formulate myself.

00:23:39.140 Because it's hard, right?

00:23:40.720 It's a very difficult...

00:23:42.360 Like, the struggle that biological women have had to get their health concerns, you know?

00:23:49.700 It's, like, second only to trans people trying to get their health concerns. 0.99

00:23:53.420 Exactly, yeah. 0.77

00:23:54.360 So, you know, when a woman like Zhujana wants to talk about her bleeding without some dude... 0.64

00:24:03.700 Yeah.

00:24:04.220 So, again, I get that, and I get her anger, but I don't get excluding people from...

00:24:10.120 Exactly.

00:24:10.580 Okay.

00:24:11.940 We're paused anyway.

00:24:13.740 Yeah.

00:24:14.380 Because here's my hang-up, and my hang-up should not create legislation.

00:24:19.440 So all y'all out there who think that your hang-ups should create legislation, like they shouldn't.

00:24:25.800 But my hang-up is in competition, and specifically sports.

00:24:29.580 Yes.

00:24:30.240 Okay.

00:24:30.480 But, and you can understand where I think that it's a little unfair to, you know, have these physical bodies competing against each other in only this physical realm.

00:24:41.880 It feels a little bit unfair.

00:24:43.840 Completely, yeah.

00:24:44.760 However, spirituality is not a physical competition.

00:24:49.100 Exactly.

00:24:50.160 Yeah, no, completely.

00:24:51.740 Like, and again, like, there's no winner or loser. 1.00

00:24:58.000 Again, if it's a running race, maybe a trans woman has a biological advantage because of her skeletal structure or her muscular structure or whatever. 1.00

00:25:08.660 But again, in a coven, there should be no competition. 1.00

00:25:15.020 Exactly. And I think what's really, really interesting about excluding a trans woman from a Dianic coven, or any coven for that matter, is the point at where someone realizes their transgenderness, specifically a trans woman in this instance, they are recognizing and truly embodying what the feminine spirit is. 0.58

00:25:44.180 like that is like the rawest feeling of being in touch with femininity you can possibly have 0.65

00:25:50.560 is the moment of like, holy fuck, I'm in the wrong body because I'm, I can feel this within me 0.89

00:25:58.440 so deeply and so strongly that I need to change my body and adapt my body so that this energy 0.95

00:26:07.440 within me can manifest itself properly um and i mean to me to me it's just like i think that

00:26:15.120 getting in touch with that i i i i i don't really know how anyone can get in touch with that

00:26:22.160 spirit and that feeling and be so sure of these feelings of like well this is what a woman is

00:26:30.240 this is what a woman is not it's like to the the whole idea of like femininity is so ambiguous and

00:26:39.540 to every woman is completely different and every definition of femininity is different

00:26:44.680 certainly there's no singular female experience exactly it there's there's billions of these

00:26:52.860 feminine experiences exactly yeah something like that roughly yeah right now yeah oh my god yeah

00:26:59.840 oh my gosh yeah so and it's just like we we need to we need to sort of dismantle this idea that

00:27:10.440 we are bound by what body we are born into um because that really has like i mean take it from

00:27:22.780 me that has next to nothing to do with pretty much anything um it it can all change so incredibly

00:27:30.340 quickly just by a chemical in your body but i mean if if you if you if you're denying someone

00:27:39.560 who is that in tune with a feminine spirit to have the opportunity to share that love and to

00:27:45.480 share that power with people then what you're not trying to share or embrace that love at all

00:27:51.600 You're trying to get rid of it and tame it down and keep it, well, keep it under a rock, essentially.

00:28:00.920 And essentially is the word that is essentialism, which is, I think, the enemy of the trap.

00:28:06.080 Yeah, exactly, yeah. 0.99

00:28:07.320 And trans people are the enemy of essentialism, so trans people are magical beings. 1.00

00:28:12.160 Exactly, exactly. 1.00

00:28:13.480 And I mean, like, again, like if you go into like pretty much almost almost the majority of religious beliefs throughout the world or spiritual practices throughout the world, there are these transgender or genderless or non-binary figures that ring all the way through history.

00:28:40.020 in all cultures yes the idea of a non-binary or a or um a i mean like if if we're thinking about

00:28:51.060 like the indigenous people in north america you look at like two-spirit people um they're

00:28:58.840 they're held to like an extremely wise position within their clans um because of the the amount

00:29:06.620 of knowledge that they possess in terms of being able to for some they see from both perspectives

00:29:11.980 they they've seen what it is to have the masculine spirit and now they see from a feminine spirit

00:29:18.340 some people can see both at once it's like we are cape as trans or non-binary people we see

00:29:25.140 the in-between um we see where um a point of view fails um or a point of view is not entirely

00:29:33.560 crystal clear because they're they're looking from one point of view and if you're gonna just

00:29:39.120 stick in one point of view then you need to realize that there's stuff that you're missing

00:29:42.340 and yeah if you're only looking forward then you're not seeing what's behind you and you're 0.52

00:29:48.340 not seeing what's on either side of you so being non-binary you get to see a peripheral of

00:29:55.020 everything um and i think that that's so important to realize because in in our current like

00:30:02.500 political climate it's like you need to listen to the voices of people who are marginalized because

00:30:09.120 they have seen they've seen they've they've seen where the system has failed them and in order to

00:30:16.400 improve that system and to see where the system is failing you wouldn't know the system is failing

00:30:20.640 unless you have seen it from that perspective right if you're living in your little jolly

00:30:24.680 picket fence echo chamber you're like the world is great capitalism works yeah exactly exactly

00:30:29.800 exactly because you haven't seen where capitalism fails so um to to to be to be non-binary and to be

00:30:39.120 transgender you um you see from both perspectives and i think that i mean i can't imagine why you

00:30:47.300 wouldn't want to have someone like that who sees what you don't see it's like from a very practical

00:30:53.060 perspective i read an essay by a trans man um yeah he transitioned from female to male i'm just

00:31:02.320 trying to remember the article and i'll put it in the show notes i will find it for you guys

00:31:06.220 because y'all need to read it um who was a business person and experienced the world of

00:31:12.360 business through the eyes of a woman and then through the eyes of a man and had a lot to say

00:31:17.700 A lot to say about the difference in treatment, in values, in everything.

00:31:23.680 So this is a person who is uniquely capable of assessing what's right and what's wrong in any given environment.

00:31:34.220 We're capable of seeing where the fail is.

00:31:39.400 and and and i think in this case it only took a few trans people to be like uh by the way like

00:31:47.980 i'm a woman and i should be allowed in this coven because i am a woman and this is an all-women's

00:31:52.760 coven correct and this was a public event too i mean this was not like come to jujana's home

00:31:58.560 okay yeah like you know make your own rules in your heads but don't try to take them at it on

00:32:03.620 this was like a

00:32:05.300 basically like a pagan

00:32:07.080 what do we call it con

00:32:09.220 convention and I'm like what's con short for

00:32:11.640 conference no

00:32:12.540 convention

00:32:13.860 and this ritual was for cis women only

00:32:17.620 Zhijana was very 0.72

00:32:19.400 and now she's 0.99

00:32:21.260 boycotting the conference

00:32:23.340 so I don't know what the lesson is

00:32:27.320 the lesson is like

00:32:29.040 shut out everyone until you're alone 1.00

00:32:30.860 I mean those of you who listened to the Zhijana

00:32:33.280 episode um which just preceded this episode know that i'm just confused yeah it's very confusing

00:32:40.860 patriarchy divides witchcraft unites yes that's what i thought yeah so it seems to me that jujana

00:32:46.680 is like acting out the patriarchy more than she's trying to smash it which is like a feminist

00:32:51.660 again baffling i'm back exactly yeah no and and i mean like if if you look at like just

00:32:59.560 like stepping outside of um stepping outside of witchcraft you get turfs um and like like to just 0.68

00:33:08.460 to bind somebody by what you've been bound by your entire life it's like well what's the point in 0.99

00:33:14.280 that if you've been dealing with this your whole life then what's the point in binding someone else

00:33:19.040 by it exactly like if we find this place where like well i have no power but now i'm gonna get

00:33:24.200 power and then i'm going to use it to smash the other like what what's the point in that yeah

00:33:29.780 like what the wait what like you did this to me and it was horrible so i'm just waiting until i

00:33:35.760 can be in that position to do it to somebody else there's this old thing that's like when people are

00:33:41.100 hurt they go one of two ways they either think i don't want this to ever happen to anyone again

00:33:46.120 or they think well it happened to me so i may as well make it happen to you

00:33:50.480 mm-hmm yeah exactly and I don't get how a witch would choose Colin exactly yeah

00:33:57.300 exactly it's like I I mean the right yeah it's where we always come to it's 0.91

00:34:06.620 like this just baffled like I'm baffled I can't figure out Juju like what are you

00:34:12.840 doing I'm worried for I hope you're listening to this Juju because I am

00:34:17.480 worried for your legacy your legacy is going to be a hating like a heat-filled turf which is baloney

00:34:25.980 because you did some amazing stuff leading up to this point so what do we do with that what do we

00:34:31.740 do with exactly i mean yeah i mean if if we i mean i'm gonna step into transhumanism for a second

00:34:39.140 um and like look at biohacking um i mean we have if you look at transhumanist philosophy we have

00:34:48.880 reached our maximum evolutionary potential as humans um and in order to to survive in our

00:34:57.700 upcoming changing environment which i'm i'm hoping most people know about um you mean like

00:35:03.420 climate change oh yeah that little yeah little tidbit so in order to adapt to a changing

00:35:13.980 environment we need to make efforts to change ourselves in order to adapt to that changing

00:35:20.440 world and i think that this philosophy can not only be put on an evolutionary scale with biohacking

00:35:27.860 um it can also be just like taken into account for gender politics if we don't adapt and change

00:35:37.620 ourselves for the better in order to adapt to our changing environment then we're just 0.99

00:35:43.460 well fucked you're just fucked so i i mean i urge anyone who has strong beliefs against 1.00

00:35:52.660 trans people being included into a cisgendered woman-based coven. I think that in order to 1.00

00:36:01.220 be able to truly make an impact and grow and nurture that love and care within your coven

00:36:07.120 and within the world and manifest that outside of yourselves, I think you have to adapt to these

00:36:14.240 changing conditions. Dianic witchcraft definitely was probably based in an act of essentialism

00:36:22.000 at that point but like from a place of healing yes exactly from a place of healing and exactly

00:36:28.700 but i mean but if if you if you look at the environment now and you look at all the trauma

00:36:34.460 that is being caused now yes it's happening to cisgender women but there are there's literally

00:36:40.800 hundreds of trans women that are killed every year for the sole fact of them just being trans 0.96

00:36:47.820 or just being feminine um so i mean i i would strongly urge you to try to begin to dismantle

00:36:57.080 these ideas and move in a way that is more productive and proactive for the betterment of

00:37:03.680 not only just the coven but really humanity in general especially under that umbrella of

00:37:10.140 witchcraft which as we talked about as far as i thought was about the oneness not the things that

00:37:17.540 separate us but the things that give us a common and again we're not talking about shared experience

00:37:23.920 i have a vagina and so do you so whatever but like sharing this earth like yeah space and time 0.75

00:37:32.040 and air and heartbeats yes you know love the idea of love the concept of like intelligence 0.99

00:37:38.140 and consciousness exactly yeah these are much more interesting to me than yeah you know oh 0.99

00:37:44.240 you also have a vagina great yeah no i've met enough vaginas that i had nothing to ever think 0.98

00:37:52.780 that that's how i want to yeah you know exactly humanity exactly i mean yeah exactly there's no 0.99

00:37:59.820 point in dividing ourselves because we're already divided so much that i think like what's the point

00:38:05.840 in dividing when we can unify ourselves you know capitalism succeeds when we hate ourselves

00:38:11.680 because we're going to go out and buy whatever we can to make ourselves stop beating ourselves

00:38:16.400 capitalism fails when we love ourselves as we are exactly exactly i think so tell me i mean

00:38:23.840 we've already gone way over time but i don't care we're going to keep talking if that's okay with

00:38:28.180 you because i want you to talk about biohacking i'm gonna assume again that there are some

00:38:33.740 listeners out there who have no idea what that means and hit us with the fascinating world of

00:38:38.000 biohacking. So again, transhumanism, maximum evolutionary potential. Biohacking is the act

00:38:46.660 of making both genetic and cybernetic enhancements to the human body and the human genome to adapt

00:38:57.980 ourselves for another evolutionary potential. So for many biohackers, this works on a genomic

00:39:07.260 level where they're um they're curing their lactose intolerance or they're um cutting out

00:39:14.980 their a gene in their family that causes diabetes or things like that where they are making a

00:39:21.720 betterment for their future family um some are making some people with money are using crisper

00:39:28.280 to make their kids smarter um which is so weird the scary world yeah that's the scary world of it

00:39:36.880 Yes, definitely. And that's where I mean, that's where privilege comes in, where it's like if you're able to pay for this kind of thing, then you can get it done.

00:39:45.300 But I mean, there is a beautiful world of DIY biohacking. And that's where I definitely lie.

00:39:54.240 Uh, but I think, I mean, for me, I use biohacking, um, and I, I do, I practice biohacking in a way where I can better my body to listen to the earth.

00:40:07.100 So, I mean, I have several different biohack implants that I'm getting ready to put in myself that will basically, like, enhance my ability to connect with the Earth on an electromagnetic scale or connecting myself to humidity levels.

00:40:26.000 There's an amazing biohacker, which I believe, named Moon Rebus. 0.66

00:40:33.240 Somebody named Moon is probably going to be a witch

00:40:36.960 Probably going to be a witch 0.91

00:40:37.780 Or at least his witchy parents or whatever 0.97

00:40:39.560 Exactly 1.00

00:40:40.120 So Moon has a seismometer in her body 0.95

00:40:45.100 That she can feel the seismic tectonic movement of the earth 0.97

00:40:50.800 And so she

00:40:53.120 Sorry, like Moon has taken a microchip?

00:41:00.260 Like what's the physical?

00:41:01.160 Like, it takes many different forms, but normally it's a chip or an RFID or a magnet.

00:41:11.100 Sorry, RFID.

00:41:11.840 Ooh, I can't get that right off the top of my head right now, but yeah, I can't get it off the top of my head. 0.86

00:41:19.380 I said it and I was like, oh shit, I don't know what that algorithm is for. 0.64

00:41:23.360 Um, but, um, or magnets in the body that will basically create a sense of movement or some 0.98

00:41:30.380 kind of output in order for you to, uh, gather that there's a new input of information.

00:41:37.560 So it's not like swallowing something because then you would eliminate it.

00:41:41.320 Yes.

00:41:41.660 So like under the skin or.

00:41:43.600 Yeah.

00:41:43.820 Yeah. 0.92

00:41:44.080 The, the, these sort of implants are done subdermally.

00:41:47.160 Um, some of them are done neurologically.

00:41:52.020 um through the brain which is a whole area that i'm wanting to dive into more so later on in my

00:41:58.660 life but um there there are people out there that have done uh implants that are like embedded into

00:42:05.980 their brains um can you give an example of that uh yes like not a specific name or anything but

00:42:11.860 like definitely what um well uh wait what specific name like neil harbison uh huge biohacker um he

00:42:21.040 has an antenna that comes out of the back of his head around to the front and he's colorblind so

00:42:28.200 he's trained his antenna to read colors and it plays a song or like a key in his head and so he

00:42:37.340 can hear color so like when he's dressing himself in the morning he can compose his outfit colors

00:42:44.900 based on their sonic um like compatibility what's the word for this where the sense

00:42:54.140 the related sense isn't the one there's a word for it and i think one of the witches that we

00:43:00.820 profiled in season one even had this where you like you smell colors yes oh um

00:43:07.860 synesthesia synesthesia yeah there you go there you go you got it

00:43:13.760 yeah biohacking synesthesia basically yeah yeah so i i mean there's many different variations of

00:43:21.140 it but like with moon if you see her performing these dances um where her movements are a language

00:43:28.040 of the seismic movement of the earth so she can translate this in a bodily movement in real time

00:43:34.360 In real time, and I believe she's working on one where she's getting it done in her foot so that she can feel the moon, so that basically her body is down on Earth, but her feet are on the moon.

00:43:49.660 Feel the moon. How does one feel the moon?

00:43:52.420 The tectonic movement of the moon.

00:43:54.520 Oh, that, like, size-like shifting.

00:43:56.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:57.520 I want to do that.

00:43:58.620 Right? Yeah, yeah. She's an incredible biohacker.

00:44:02.460 So for me, I see it as a way to better my own body so that I can be more in tune with the earth.

00:44:14.060 For lots of biohackers, they see it more so on like a genomic level where they're trying to fix something in their body chemically.

00:44:24.460 chemically um so yeah like there there's a i forget exactly his name now but he lives in

00:44:31.520 montreal and he biohacked uh a cure for his lactose intolerance which is something so small

00:44:38.680 but at the same time it's it's incredibly radical the idea that you can just fix something um and

00:44:46.780 not like we're used to like um with like orlon yeah you know orlon like plastic surgery was

00:44:52.700 sort of like her artistic exactly yeah yeah exactly but it was very much just about form

00:44:58.160 but this is about function definitely yeah yeah there's uh neil harbison uh moon rebus

00:45:05.780 they they're cyborg artists so they they they use their sense um for like in our not not just

00:45:15.860 on a bodily level where they're trying to enhance their bodies but um they're trying to express

00:45:21.080 something deeper than just their own humanity which is really cool so yeah i think post-humanity

00:45:29.220 are we exactly are we entering the post-human age soon i think soon and what does that look like

00:45:38.580 yeah what does that feel like so many there's so many different ways that it will express itself

00:45:44.180 because i think i think there shouldn't be just one specific way of um seeing betterment for

00:45:54.120 humanity if it's like a mass thing where we cure cancer and there's like a genomic cure for cancer

00:46:00.860 that we can just like erase it from our genes or like erase the possibility of hiv from our genes

00:46:08.380 then that's really cool that's something that all of humanity would benefit from

00:46:14.280 but um at the same time i think what's cool about biohacking and the whole idea of cybernetic

00:46:20.320 post-humanity is that everyone will be so completely different from each other and we'll

00:46:26.740 all be able to adapt our bodies depending on our own individuality and there's so many different

00:46:33.480 ways that we can do that in order to better ourselves as individuals but also better ourselves

00:46:38.460 as a collective humanity because if we if we think about it like a computer the the the key

00:46:47.440 thing within the movement of technology over the past few years is optimizing our systems

00:46:52.200 and being more efficient with our energy and so if we are able to run more efficiently and if we're

00:47:00.680 able to optimize our own biological systems then we're able to optimize ourselves in a way where

00:47:07.260 we can adapt and better our relation with the earth um so yeah biohacking is like and transhumanism

00:47:16.840 in general is just like this it's i i honestly believe there's really no other choice um because

00:47:23.600 we're kind of at a an impasse so to say but um yeah really cool stuff there are practical

00:47:31.980 elements to this efficiency too i know you feel pretty strongly about meat eating

00:47:35.800 that we can change our whole uh efficiency globally by yeah there's uh there's a this

00:47:43.300 is a very hot topic um uh yeah i'm vegan i see it as um a way that i can adapt myself in my current

00:47:54.860 localization i can i i mean i i can't hunt i like ethically there and and i think that i think i i

00:48:06.340 I had a run-in with Biohack Info, which is another Instagram,

00:48:11.360 where they posted something about how in a completely maximized cybernetic post-humanity,

00:48:20.460 it's perfectly rational to use our newfound power and strength

00:48:25.740 in a way where we're hunting the life that didn't make it into a next cybernetic potential.

00:48:34.900 So, and they, they, they, they kind of said it was completely rational to believe that.

00:48:41.040 Um, and from a socioeconomic standpoint, that sounds a bit scary to me.

00:48:45.300 It's right.

00:48:46.200 Like, yeah, very.

00:48:48.220 We're the cyborgs and we're going to hunt you that couldn't keep up.

00:48:52.060 Yeah.

00:48:53.040 So I'm terrified.

00:48:54.980 Yeah.

00:48:55.200 That's horrifying.

00:48:56.400 Yeah.

00:48:56.580 I was like, that's horrifying.

00:48:58.560 And, um, and yeah, it was like this image of this cyborg with a bow and arrow.

00:49:04.500 and i was just like that's horrifying um and so basically i i kind of clapped back and said like

00:49:10.840 that's probably like the least transhumanist thing you could possibly do and then i went on a rant

00:49:19.700 that rant got completely reposted onto the instagram and i kind of i got a lot of um

00:49:27.000 interesting feedback from that uh both positive and negative it's funny actually they put

00:49:33.660 they put my whole story up and uh that i said back to them because i did a verbalization of

00:49:40.580 what i was feeling um because i was really feeling it and um they put a poll uh saying

00:49:47.940 basically saying eat meat or not i'm i'm encapsulating it but and then gave a poll yes

00:49:55.440 or no um and uh when i i waited i waited like 23 hours until the majority of the feedback came in

00:50:03.440 Because stories on Instagram last for 24 hours in case you're wondering what that might be listening to.

00:50:08.560 Exactly.

00:50:09.360 And I finally clicked what my choice was.

00:50:13.660 And I saw that it was pretty much 50-50.

00:50:17.400 So in my eyes, that's pretty half decent.

00:50:22.080 I mean, where we're coming from.

00:50:23.380 Yeah.

00:50:24.540 Exactly, yeah. 0.96

00:50:25.980 And I mean, there's lots of biohackers that think that a meat-only diet is the only way to go.

00:50:31.460 And I'm like, not exactly, but that's my own, um, from, I mean, I, I don't have the option of ethically hunting. Um, I, most people don't know how to ethically hunt and to think that in a, in a future society, we will all be perfectly like educated on ethical hunting.

00:50:56.240 that's kind of naive so um i don't i mean to be a vegan and to say that ethical hunting is

00:51:06.880 perfectly fine is uh another hot topic that i'm probably going to get in hot water about

00:51:12.000 but um i know email missingwitches at gmail.com and if i decide to forward your email on to jackie

00:51:18.760 I will. Perfect. Thank you. Um, so yeah, it's, um, I, for me, I see it as like, again, with

00:51:29.220 the changing planet, the planet doesn't have enough to be able to keep supplying us with

00:51:35.900 that. Um, the planet, yes, exactly. The resources are finite and we're going to reach a point

00:51:42.120 where we're going to exhaust it all. And they brought in, they, some people on the group

00:51:47.240 chat we're talking about like the the the negative environmental effects of biohacking and rare earth

00:51:55.660 mineral mining is extremely damaging on the environment so the components that are required

00:52:02.920 exactly yeah so um they're they're like oh well well the earth isn't going to be good anyway at

00:52:11.420 that point and it's just like okay well yes but you're thinking about it in a very specific way

00:52:16.540 where that will we're gonna be just running down this rampant road of like ripping things from here

00:52:25.320 and ripping things from there and just like not caring about the environment but if we're able

00:52:30.380 to biohack in a way and we're able to move forward in a way where we can ethically start to provide

00:52:36.220 ourselves with these resources and start to think more holistically about how us as a whole

00:52:42.980 in like uh work with the planet then we can actually make a positive change for ourselves but

00:52:49.200 yeah i it's um yeah that's a hot topic they're all hot they're all hot topics yes

00:52:57.880 ultimately choice yes um um free will

00:53:04.260 yeah um completely and and it becomes difficult because we know what we think is right yeah and

00:53:14.240 so we want everyone to do what we think is right because it's right um but we have to keep our ears

00:53:20.640 open and not and not be so um talky as to think that we don't have something to learn from even

00:53:28.360 from a meat eater exactly sometimes you gotta keep your eyes open yeah and and you know see

00:53:35.620 their point of view yeah and if um you know cognitive dissonance like really helps us to

00:53:41.800 get through this oh yeah i'm not like a big like hey everybody get your cognitive dissonance on but

00:53:47.880 like sometimes if you just need to not think about it to get through your day which is yeah just get

00:53:53.200 through y'all's day oh yeah get through your day existentialism is very real oh yeah so um

00:54:01.480 again we're not making any judgment calls you're bad if you're this you're good if you're that

00:54:05.420 other than like to try and um not to try yeah period yeah exactly I don't know why I tried to

00:54:13.060 just just educate yourself as best you possibly can about this kind of thing and I think then

00:54:20.220 try and make a choice that you feel is correct and be be like if someone has an opposing

00:54:26.560 point of view on it then be able to state why you feel that way um and clarify to them like i

00:54:35.520 i don't agree with that and here's why yeah because that's going to be much more but i

00:54:41.860 personally feel like you should want your belief system to be challenged by as many people as

00:54:45.700 possible. Oh, definitely. Because if it doesn't stand up to that challenge, they've done you a favor. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And if you, every time I've had to defend my thoughts, it's only made me more grounded and more focused because I've had to defend it. So I've had to think about it even more. Exactly. Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Let me answer your question in my mind and then be even more resolved when we leave this. Exactly. And again, if somebody can knock your whole belief system out with four questions or three statements, then you really needed that to happen. Oh, definitely.

00:55:15.700 Yeah. I mean, this is another whole rabbit hole, but like there's a documentary on flat earthers on Netflix. I mean, this is a, this is a big thing. And what, what I just found so, it was absolutely hilarious because we were able to watch it from not a perspective of these documentarians trying to disprove them.

00:55:42.460 they were just observing as good documentators do they just observe um and

00:55:50.380 these people they were doing these experiments to try and prove themselves

00:55:57.260 and they got results that proved the opposite like the earth is round the earth is round

00:56:04.800 shockingly scientific experiment

00:56:07.920 exactly

00:56:08.560 and through these experiments

00:56:11.320 that they had meticulously thought themselves through

00:56:13.800 they

00:56:15.640 disproved themselves

00:56:17.200 but because it disproved

00:56:19.860 themselves they thought well

00:56:21.440 something's wrong

00:56:23.240 because they didn't get the results they were

00:56:25.820 looking for

00:56:26.520 we must have miscalibrated this machine

00:56:28.640 exactly it's like oh well like the blades of grass were in the way

00:56:31.800 I'm like no

00:56:33.600 the blades of grass weren't deflecting the ray of light like three feet higher but like more

00:56:38.600 terrifyingly terrifying than the flat earthers are the anti-vaxxers oh these people are killing

00:56:44.220 people yeah at least the flat earthers are just like yeah exactly they're just going about life

00:56:50.520 are killing children yes like they're counselors yeah you heard it here yeah no vaccinate your 0.98

00:56:56.700 kids god damn oh my god that's like that's like i mean that's like a very early stage of 0.99

00:57:05.460 biohacking or moving forward like vaccination yeah exactly like evolution has brought us to 0.98

00:57:11.440 a place where these things are in our bodies or in our environment why wouldn't you like if all

00:57:19.440 of humanity up until now has either died or survived based on being strengthened by this

00:57:26.380 thing, then why wouldn't you try and get your kid the best chance to adapt to this environment?

00:57:33.840 Question?

00:57:36.460 But I think there's a lot of like, you know, and I think this would probably come up in

00:57:40.660 a conversation about transgender people and about biohacking, is that it's quote wrong

00:57:47.020 because it's quote not natural.

00:57:49.440 But, like, cars are also not natural, but that's fine.

00:57:53.980 So, like, if you have this idea that's not natural or, well, we've always done it this way.

00:57:59.320 No, we haven't.

00:58:00.740 No, we haven't.

00:58:03.080 Exactly.

00:58:03.500 We haven't always done it anyway.

00:58:05.380 Exactly.

00:58:05.800 And certainly, you're not understanding.

00:58:11.860 Again, your hang-ups shouldn't create legislation.

00:58:17.060 Neither should my hang-ups.

00:58:18.820 And again, natural is a very weird word to use because, I mean, everything in nature

00:58:28.080 is natural and all of the components that we use to create technology come from the

00:58:34.720 earth.

00:58:35.220 Yes.

00:58:35.880 I mean, they came, I mean, physically they came from the earth in terms of minerals,

00:58:40.860 but like they came from us.

00:58:43.400 They came from our brains.

00:58:45.620 Yeah.

00:58:45.920 Yeah, like they're just as much a part of us as we are to each other.

00:58:53.020 And a wheel, like a wagon wheel is as much technology as the internet is technology.

00:58:59.980 Definitely, exactly.

00:59:00.560 So, I mean, just think about all the things that are technology that you're using from a fork.

00:59:06.200 A fork is like a...

00:59:07.480 Exactly, yeah.

00:59:08.800 Your TV, like everything.

00:59:10.860 The street that you drive your car on is a marvel of technology.

00:59:14.140 like um so again we can't get stuck in this like this is where we're at now so this is how it is

00:59:20.940 and this is how it will be because certainly humanity has been changing the world since

00:59:25.260 oh yeah we came to be exactly exactly yeah yeah so i mean that sounds like kind of a nice wrap-up

00:59:33.220 but i'm not satisfied okay so give my give our listeners the gospel according to jackie

00:59:40.400 the one I know it's tough right

00:59:43.020 that's a big one 1.00

00:59:43.760 I know and I ask every witch I talk to you 0.89

00:59:46.760 this question and it's the only time in the interview 1.00

00:59:48.700 where most of them go shit 0.99

00:59:50.260 wow 0.99

00:59:51.860 just like in 30 seconds or less

00:59:54.940 what's your message to the universe

00:59:56.700 I'll give you a minute

00:59:59.140 if you need it

00:59:59.960 I'll give you a clue

01:00:07.480 a lot of people just say like

01:00:09.040 be kind

01:00:09.620 yeah yeah i'm i'm i'm so it doesn't have to be like jean paul sart you know a dissertation on

01:00:17.040 thank you i i think honestly the the the best thing we can do is to just listen we just need

01:00:26.520 to listen and to be more active about listening um because when we listen we can fully comprehend

01:00:34.260 And again, not just the voices of the people around us and from all of their different perspectives, but also if we are more actively listening, we're we're seeing things deeper than what they are on the surface.

01:00:48.760 So, yeah, I think that's my.

01:00:53.320 Just listen.

01:00:54.120 Yeah, just listen.

01:00:55.320 Because when we're talking, we're not what?

01:00:57.960 Listening.

01:01:00.080 Thank you so much, Jackie.

01:01:01.640 It is my pleasure.

01:01:02.780 I'm an amazing human, and I can't wait to see what you do so young.

01:01:07.060 Such a baby.

01:01:08.160 I am a baby.

01:01:08.700 I can't wait to see, you know, the world that you create.

01:01:12.100 Thank you.

01:01:12.560 And I hope to live in it.

01:01:14.220 I hope.

01:01:15.200 That's nice.

01:01:16.380 Thank you.

01:01:21.820 My little baby!

01:01:23.360 Thank you!

01:01:23.500 thank you all you members of the missing witches coven thank you all for listening to season two

01:01:35.980 of the missing witches podcast we're off next sunday but please come back wednesday may 1st

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Missing Witches - April 24, 2019

Witches Found： Part 2 - The Medium of Life with Jacqueline Beaumont

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