Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Aspirationally Rude

00:00:00.000 two best friends both alike in dignity nurturing phantoms and courting the muse

00:00:07.280 the hag divines when something must die yes that was poog but this is huge the ego loves

00:00:13.300 to seek but never to find it was berlant and novak the whole time what was i gonna tell you

00:00:20.580 hello first of all hi have you have you heard the good news what no more um more here's the

00:00:29.640 headline that's not really accurate more microplastics in glass bottles no plastic okay

00:00:37.800 jacqueline what are you talking about i'm about to pull it back big time because that is obviously

00:00:41.700 the sensationalist headline that it's meant to get me and my friends more microplastics in glass

00:00:46.820 you know when you don't when you get into it don't don't know here when you get into who says

00:00:53.020 and how says

00:00:55.280 it was a study in France

00:00:57.460 so you know

00:00:58.400 they're drunk

00:00:59.480 I think they're more trustworthy

00:01:01.520 because you know it's not like

00:01:02.620 bought by whatever

00:01:04.320 then I went to Reddit

00:01:06.700 someone wrote TLDR

00:01:08.540 misdirection in title

00:01:11.240 it's plastic bottle caps

00:01:12.720 used on glass bottles

00:01:14.040 that show more microplastic

00:01:15.440 not glass bottles themselves

00:01:17.360 need studies where we use glass bottles

00:01:19.360 with no plastic at all

00:01:20.120 including no paints

00:01:21.000 blah blah blah

00:01:21.900 Apparently, you know, like when you're twisting off a cap, the only thing that's sealing it is essentially plastic, right?

00:01:28.820 Plastic, sure.

00:01:29.320 They're like, yeah, that metal cap isn't like truly just stuck on there with nothing but like crimped metal.

00:01:35.820 It's leaching the plastic in.

00:01:37.580 Well, yeah.

00:01:38.240 And so there was, whatever, it was like something, but it's a little confusing out there.

00:01:42.000 But it seems to have something to do with the paint on the cap.

00:01:44.700 Confusion runs and runs amok.

00:01:46.940 I thought it was exciting just to, you know, have something to head to, you know, it's weird.

00:01:51.180 I had to write it on but I'm like I was like I feel like I was lying in bed thinking about this

00:01:54.900 like you know tl dr too long didn't read it's like I was lying there going is there a is there

00:02:02.180 a semicolon in there right like formally because I was like I'm picturing a semicolon why am I

00:02:07.320 picturing a semicolon and yeah there is right a celly Coleman that's cute and then um not of me

00:02:14.240 but as a word so it's not technically the correct use I call him but spiritually it is

00:02:21.240 anyway I'm just shocked that people are I'm still I'm so hang on is this like making the rounds

00:02:26.380 because I'm like day four no Instagram so I'm like is this this is making the rounds I got

00:02:30.800 I got a direct text from a friend okay it's confusing and I did a close read and I have

00:02:35.700 good comprehension and I'm a little tired of sort of it's like you're gonna go through the work of

00:02:43.080 doing the study can it not be between like soda you know in a glass bottle you know versus it's

00:02:51.600 just like can we get real and be like we want to know about mountain valley with the with the metal

00:02:56.540 caps yeah yeah you know what I mean like yeah we don't think the the you who cap is totally you

00:03:03.360 know word on the street is what did someone say they're like are we going back to bottles and

00:03:09.840 corks. And someone was like, introducing new materials into consumption is just something

00:03:17.820 you can't. I mean, we've been involved for the years with cork. So it's like, they say something

00:03:24.940 about when you twist off the cap, rinse the cap before you reuse. Kill me now. 0.98

00:03:33.600 However I want to say. And yeah, I mean, plastic has won and I guess that's that. 0.97

00:03:39.080 but i enjoy talking about these things for sport and i want to make that clear because

00:03:43.260 someone i became friends with said to me you know listening to the podcast someone you became

00:03:47.400 friends i thought you were sorry okay i thought you were a health nut but then hang out with you

00:03:52.980 you love cocktails and you know whatever i was like yeah i can't believe the cocktail messaging

00:03:57.640 hasn't come through but oh it's come through yeah and the you know eating and the pleasures and

00:04:02.680 and whatever i just you know she witnessed me after the long days of writing you know head to

00:04:09.340 the same restaurant like every night and you know she got to see that she got to see what i what i

00:04:14.480 am i know i am i just came home from the farmer's market you were imagine this ran into a couple

00:04:23.020 hey why don't we do dinner tonight talking about what we're cooking talking about the different

00:04:27.240 vegetables let's combine forces can you imagine and you did this this is happening coming over

00:04:32.280 tonight yeah oh my god the community of the farmer's market it's shocking who are they just

00:04:37.800 tell me well i know a dear old friend and a couple lesbians and the new girlfriend 0.95

00:04:46.140 and i approve the new girlfriend there's a dear friend no no no sorry this is the farmer's market

00:04:54.040 thing because last time we went to the farmer's market ran into upwards of 22 people and then

00:04:59.840 this time only ran into a genuine friend which is when you see a real friend out in the wild

00:05:04.940 that's always interesting what do you think are the humorous and fun like you see your friend

00:05:11.140 before they see you at the farmer's market watching them versus the opposite versus you're

00:05:15.660 both approaching at the same time what flies at the same time is the most fun yeah and you both

00:05:21.280 realize at the same time let's say like i feel like recently i've just reached for common like

00:05:26.820 i've just been like well wow or like you know what i mean like the humor of that why is it so

00:05:32.340 shocking like when i saw my friend i got so excited and i run over her grab her arm i look at

00:05:37.020 her i'm like looking at her like can you believe it can you believe it it's like we live in the

00:05:40.180 same city right we have we have similar interests there's a you both go to the same essential store

00:05:46.220 which is the farmer's market at the same on the same day yeah but it's so exciting but do you do

00:05:52.860 any, what do you do? What's your like gag? I grab the arm. I go right in the face. I go really close

00:05:57.180 to the face. Oh, that's funny. I throw my face into their face. Right. So if you could sort of

00:06:00.800 almost surprise them by getting it right there. Look, look who it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's strong.

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00:07:37.240 You look cute in your headphones. You look kind of like, like it looks almost like a

00:07:41.320 babushka scarf. No makeup. No makeup on due to healing from microneedling.

00:07:45.840 run into several hags in the great city of new york right they're everywhere i mean at my local

00:07:52.400 coffee shop it's like so i barely have to leave the house to get nurtured by the community 0.99

00:07:57.960 so nice and once again i never mind i never mind like we said on a recent episode

00:08:04.800 say hi oh always approach always approach folks and you know it's just the listener it's all about

00:08:14.680 the listener it's all about you if you're listening well i have some purchases to talk

00:08:18.600 about holy shit wait save them for a product corner okay but but you could talk about because 0.68

00:08:23.600 i'm kind of excited about micro needling yeah because guess what my skin has been cruelly 0.92

00:08:29.760 treated for four months minimum so i'm about to go for it and go what and where you can pull you

00:08:36.980 can pull back and what are we doing okay so i've never done micro needling before which is shocking

00:08:42.460 because it's, you know, it's been, it's a, so I do it with PRP. So they draw your blood.

00:08:47.940 You say at present tense, like you've done it before. Have you done it before? I thought

00:08:50.800 this was the first time you've done PRP. First time. What is that again? Platelet rich plasma?

00:08:56.200 Could hardly tell you, but yeah, I think that's it. So they take your blood,

00:08:58.940 they put it in the centrifuge, like that, and then the red blood cells, I guess, are removed.

00:09:04.220 I don't know. But the point is then it becomes this like gel, this like liquidy, like clear-ish,

00:09:10.320 goldish thing and they rub it all over your face i was you sent me a photo and i was pretty surprised

00:09:17.120 to you were like numbing gel but i was pretty surprised that you boldly went with this blood

00:09:22.800 facial because that is what this is right yeah because it seems like you'd be like ew or like

00:09:27.780 that freaks me out or like it did freak me out but you must have been eager so i had a really

00:09:33.640 uncomfortable day of alleged healing or really gifts to the self so there's a lot to talk about

00:09:40.680 but i went to this really intense fascial release i'm very excited about getting who's also kind of

00:09:47.920 psychic and she's very tapped in it's three hours long it was really intense and then long three

00:09:56.020 hours long see this i can really get maybe three hours and 15 minutes like really long that's what

00:10:01.220 you would need if this is like oh she's going she's going in oh my god did it hurt ever which

00:10:07.520 i yes it hurt a lot it hurt a lot negatively it was very uncomfortable a lot of it really hurt

00:10:12.980 my god and where shoulders had no arms for at least 15 minutes so i had no idea i had no idea

00:10:20.120 i was holding anything my shoulders don't bother me my arm yeah she's like i'm like ow ow ow like 0.98

00:10:27.280 really intense um legs stomach 40 minutes well here's the big one the entire time she's burping 1.00

00:10:36.860 continuously because she's a conduit or whatever it's called like she's doing like a energy release 0.61

00:10:42.660 or energy healing i talked to this kind of moving energy she's moving yeah she's moving energy i

00:10:47.800 looked this up after you mentioned and read about this for like 25 minutes yeah what'd you learn

00:10:52.200 You know, it was talking about, it was, it was talking about that being a common way that energy

00:10:57.120 is released by energy healers. Burping, you know, there were some other ones. There was like Reddit

00:11:03.240 threads, people being like, I was kind of shocked. Or someone being like, I am one and I do this.

00:11:08.320 And yeah, it's a little embarrassing, but it's the way it goes. She's in a mask. She makes you

00:11:14.440 wear a mask. What kind of mask? Just like a cloth mask. I think because of the burping, maybe just

00:11:18.280 like fair enough yeah and whatever but did she warn you about the burping she said it early on

00:11:23.900 but i knew that was coming because my friend like had gone i was brushing my teeth thinking

00:11:28.740 like robert durst like oh god the burping the burping like he was like wildly releasing totally

00:11:34.700 no but she but listen there was maybe a moment where it was 40 minutes of her on my stomach 1.00

00:11:39.420 no words exchanged her burping continuously really deep like and painful she put her finger 1.00

00:11:46.080 my belly button if i go okay wow she's working my inner belly button so hard it fucking hurts 1.00

00:11:51.840 and i go okay meaning going sort of into it or you just mean okay no no she's like inside of it 1.00

00:11:57.720 like yeah because in any and i was like i feel that in the center of my vagina she was like yeah 1.00

00:12:02.660 and when you say the center do you mean deep yeah like the deep center and she was like well this 1.00

00:12:08.840 is like connected to your pelvic floor and she's doing like the stomach and she's she's like oh 1.00

00:12:14.100 oh, I'm going to move your rib up. 1.00

00:12:14.920 Your liver is too low. 1.00

00:12:15.920 Like your liver needs to be like released and higher.

00:12:17.740 I was like, okay, excuse me.

00:12:18.960 I'm like, ow.

00:12:20.140 Did you make that?

00:12:20.900 Did you do it?

00:12:21.800 Ow, ow, ow, ow.

00:12:22.640 Yeah, I did some of those.

00:12:24.280 I do.

00:12:24.520 I mean, I'm doing a lot of breathing

00:12:25.580 and she was like very like,

00:12:26.580 well, good breathing, really good breathing.

00:12:28.260 I was like, yeah.

00:12:29.640 And I'm like, oh, you know,

00:12:32.020 I was doing like that kind of stuff.

00:12:33.000 No, no, no, no.

00:12:34.140 So you were bringing a little bit of,

00:12:35.700 I mean, I was having fun.

00:12:37.180 Comedy.

00:12:38.060 I mean, like, you know,

00:12:39.600 I had a couple, you know,

00:12:40.720 I made her laugh once because my,

00:12:42.540 because i think my face because i'm wearing a mask and my eyes when she says i'm gonna move

00:12:46.860 your liver i think my eyes you know understandably became terrified but listen i have to tell you

00:12:52.540 something so she watches you walk she's aware of your posture she instantly in this way i couldn't

00:12:57.160 believe she was like okay yeah your right arm she's like look your right arm's longer than your

00:13:00.120 left what she shows me oh yeah it is didn't know she's looking at me walking she's going okay

00:13:05.020 you're probably someone who crosses your she is i'm now aware of the fact that my i constantly

00:13:11.680 cross my right ankle over my left when laying down like like I sleep like that okay I love when

00:13:18.140 I'm lying there I have to if I want to actively do like muscle relaxation I'm usually like oh 0.69

00:13:23.960 shit I need to unhook those because they're yeah they're like tied at the bottom like a little bow 0.97

00:13:28.200 so now I'm aware that I that's just my go-to and she's like you gotta stop doing that 0.96

00:13:32.420 like it's totally throwing off like everything so she does she adjusts by the way adjusts nothing

00:13:37.820 cracking just she does the fascial massage the word I mean yeah and literally I'm so sorry she

00:13:43.660 does before and after pictures my posture is different okay like I'm straight and I came

00:13:48.500 home and I was like whoa I am kind of like taller or something yeah it's almost looks like less

00:13:54.320 pelvic tilt yeah something like that I mean it's you know it's very the left side of the body

00:13:58.660 carries the past and right and in the moment she was saying bringing up names or letters of names

00:14:03.860 or this kind of name and at the time I was like no like I really couldn't see it I was like oh

00:14:08.460 she's off like she's not really there she's like this name I was like no one by that name and then

00:14:12.940 yesterday in the shower I truly I was like oh my I realized how completely spot-on she was

00:14:18.820 in a way it's so embarrassing like how could I not have no yeah but anyway that's why they're

00:14:25.160 like save it for later they're like save it for later it might come to you later yeah right right

00:14:29.340 Sometimes when they're really confident, they're like, you know, it's like, they're like grapefruit, Marsha, and I'm not going to say it again.

00:14:37.700 You know, like, that's it?

00:14:41.280 Well, you know what she said?

00:14:42.200 This is an interesting image because obviously most of this I keep taking in private.

00:14:45.500 But she was like, I see a plate with water running on it.

00:14:48.720 She's like, plate with water.

00:14:50.160 Okay.

00:14:50.600 And I was like, what?

00:14:51.560 And I was like, what's that?

00:14:53.320 Plate with water.

00:14:54.300 A plate with water.

00:14:55.800 Like, okay, where does that happen?

00:14:57.720 It happens when you're washing.

00:14:59.340 a dish like sink you're rinsing a plate right uh-huh symbolically what is it it's um i don't

00:15:06.680 know we didn't spend time on it clearing a place yeah i don't know but she was intense in a way

00:15:13.980 where even i was feeling anxious that night i was like she moved my intestines like because she was

00:15:19.540 so hard you know i was like my belly button's in a different place and i and i felt like i want to

00:15:22.900 oh she like entered me it was intense so remind me you got a wreck from more than one friend

00:15:29.120 i know of three people who have gone to her from different areas of life like and oh my god the

00:15:35.220 extent to which i want to do that you got to go you should go oh i recommended her right into

00:15:40.960 someone i like an acquaintance last night who was talking about all this stuff she's going through

00:15:45.740 and she's you know she's loves going to work body workers energy and i was like i might like this

00:15:50.000 woman. Wow. That sounds great. The fascia stuff is big. I mean, hello, you're the one that got 1.00

00:15:55.300 me onto fascia. You're the first one that was screaming fascia. Screaming fascia in 84. But

00:16:01.040 also I've been like, I've been pleased because you're obviously starting to get served kind of

00:16:06.600 the angles I go down, which is all that, like the neck, like fascia, muscular, like, oh, like

00:16:15.320 facial, like facial exercise, like, like doing the cheek squats, you're getting served that

00:16:18.860 you're sending to me and I'm like good girl good girl no I know I know well this thing the part of

00:16:23.380 the neck that oh my god well I can't wait what's it called wait hi zoo waiting for product corner

00:16:28.760 to discuss yes I bought a hi zoo out of pocket I also want to call out to the community and say

00:16:36.560 I really want some new electrolyte recommendations I know superior is one that you've done that's a

00:16:42.140 cleaner one I got so eerie when this happened to me it's like instagram serves me this woman

00:16:47.900 And suddenly I'm following her.

00:16:48.900 I go, huh?

00:16:49.900 And then she's like, this is the electrolyte that I like.

00:16:52.260 It's called pure hydration.

00:16:53.340 I ordered it. 0.99

00:16:53.840 I don't fucking like it. 0.98

00:16:55.740 Okay. 0.98

00:16:56.380 And her whole thing was like, oh, it's cleaner.

00:16:59.020 It's electric pink in this way where I'm like, why is it that color?

00:17:03.240 Don't, I don't like it when, and they go, I look at the back, what natural flavors.

00:17:07.380 Okay.

00:17:07.620 So that can be anything.

00:17:08.580 Yeah.

00:17:08.760 That's the whole.

00:17:10.200 That can be poison number two.

00:17:11.800 Yeah.

00:17:12.080 They say poison number two, four and five.

00:17:14.120 Yeah.

00:17:14.380 And I'm not a child.

00:17:15.620 I don't need if it says raspberry I don't need it to be electric pink like at least element has

00:17:20.140 the humanity to go it's just clear they're like we're not yeah they have the respect god element

00:17:25.620 tastes good it makes me moan makes my eyes roll back so salty so good it is so good what's your

00:17:31.100 flavor raspberry or grapefruit funny what do you like I haven't had it in a while but I liked when

00:17:36.600 there were these kind of I liked citrus salt watermelon was my standard I think oh no that

00:17:41.040 my superior back when i used to move i still i know back when i used to sweat i'm completely i'm

00:17:47.320 i'm i'm can't wait i bought i bought a stepper like a home at home stepper hasn't arrived it

00:17:54.880 hasn't arrived yet you'll save the specific and this is also i want to say it again the the

00:17:59.820 marketing team at pvolve is asleep because i have continued to say i'm interested i'm curious

00:18:05.300 the marketing department if you're listening p-volve hello again exercise it's a home

00:18:11.000 equipment system like a mat with a ball jennifer aniston's going really hard being like the face

00:18:16.580 of them bands it's working follow along videos what it's not the pronunciation of her name to

00:18:23.620 be clear everyone who is working on kate berlant um yes and you know what i want someone i thought

00:18:30.260 really recently said berlant recently someone said it yes i was like berlant someone that i was like 0.64

00:18:34.820 you don't fucking know how to say my name i guess berlant i've been hearing a lot of people say

00:18:38.880 ricky gervais oh my god okay i've heard two but i thought that was pretty interesting um two in 0.98

00:18:44.260 the same week you gotta say what does that mean is that a symbol that i need to lose an s somewhere

00:18:49.600 in my life that an s needs to fall silent or that an s has fallen silent yes an s oh yeah

00:18:56.700 jacqueline novak let's just add an s right oh well it is my middle name sarah what is with an h for

00:19:03.540 curious that's right isn't that interesting your mom's name is sarah mine's elizabeth

00:19:06.600 sarah elizabeth that could be our other brand in like 30 years oh that's i mean i don't love

00:19:13.740 names like that i don't like that it's such a brand it's like not in a good way yeah like it's

00:19:19.160 like sarah elizabeth like it's like alice and olivia like evil coded like something what's

00:19:25.460 coded about that that's their mother's name isn't it really i know but just the the no no but that

00:19:30.240 that one that one like i think it's like sarah elizabeth sounds very rude incredibly rude aspirational

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00:20:44.820 interested. Well, I had something that actually you might that you might enjoy. I was thinking

00:20:53.800 about this yeah the social dilemma here we go baby I am interested okay so being friendly as

00:21:02.580 you know I identify as a friendly person I like chatting people you know acquaintances like there

00:21:10.480 needs to be a new way okay okay so I was thinking about someone that I ran into I literally have to

00:21:14.860 my ears so this cannot be in it's it it's like in the video orgasmic in her ear it's like it's

00:21:22.060 they want like water it's like you know shower okay yeah so okay tell me again because i was

00:21:27.780 thinking about i ran i had a really nice kind of oh my god hi one of those i haven't seen you

00:21:34.220 i mean a year easily i think it was this time last i know oh nice right genuine but we don't

00:21:41.780 need to take it further we don't need to hang out right so is the term acquaintance like what do you

00:21:46.720 because until so is the answer if you go i need to pull back socially i don't need to be seeing a

00:21:52.180 lot of people you just have to be rude do you know what like you have to be like did they

00:21:56.620 did they request lunch and you don't know what to do first of all i've said it once and i'll say

00:22:01.700 before lunch in the middle of the day you know me i love lunch i mean i like it as a concept but

00:22:13.640 it's just dinner utter dinner's four hours dinner's four hours right lunch is quick I guess

00:22:19.800 what would be my ideal probably a drink like let's let's I mean just you know coffee coffee can go

00:22:28.220 long yeah I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know what the answer is I'm you know I

00:22:35.780 mean I'm pretty I'm pretty like into being like do you have to be rude to someone to get them to 0.73

00:22:41.220 get rid of them no this makes me sound like a real motherfucker and and like yeah it's like 0.96

00:22:46.880 in a way that i don't like enough friends that kind of thing lunch was offered and here's what 0.99

00:22:50.740 you're gonna say i'll tell you i mean i don't i don't know here here's what i feel here's the

00:22:54.860 dilemma i have right yeah i have dear friends who i haven't seen i mean also i've been gone

00:22:59.820 i've been gone for months i've given you this i've given you this yeah so it's like i have to

00:23:03.660 see my mother i have to see my defense my mother barely sees me well truly no but but truly like

00:23:10.400 it's like you are aware like anyone anyone asks me like think about that kate well that's almost

00:23:15.960 like bulletproof i'm like you want to know last time i got dinner with kate berlant no i know

00:23:20.240 exactly exactly i know and i'm like well no my favorite is when people people in a sweet way

00:23:25.580 have texted us together people that we like like oh let's get dinner and it's like i have to i

00:23:31.300 privately know that it's literally under no circumstance going to happen but I feel like

00:23:37.540 you've cock-blocked me in terms of like because I still need I need the options I need every

00:23:43.480 options I need every invite for the times that I'm I'm up for it so it's like because like I

00:23:48.280 don't want to miss out on the times that I'm up for it you know so it's like it's almost like

00:23:52.780 like I've had people say to me I will well yeah I told Kate we should go to dinner and she said

00:23:56.940 it'll never happen with Novak. I'm like, cool. Did you guys have a good time? Yeah.

00:24:02.800 I can only think of one person. Really? Yeah. Whatever. I don't know. But, but like, don't,

00:24:08.760 don't spread the word that I, cause also my honeymoon period. Okay. Where the social

00:24:15.320 pressure of a first, you know, whatever, where that might get me to push over the hump, you know,

00:24:22.840 It might, it might be a year and a half before they, they realize, you know, it's like, it's

00:24:27.940 like once I'm comfortable with you and think the love is established, you know, then, then

00:24:32.060 you get treated like everyone, which is like, you know, recluse.

00:24:34.760 There's a really good article about it with ADHD.

00:24:37.300 It's like the dopamine dispatch I follow in Substack.

00:24:40.060 And it's like, you know, send this to people.

00:24:41.760 It's like, why?

00:24:42.420 It's like, what's wrong?

00:24:43.720 No, I just had an ADD.

00:24:44.960 Sorry to interrupt, but I just had an ADD meltdown.

00:24:47.420 Meltdown, I'm too strong a word, but right before logging on because I, and I don't

00:24:52.100 like to see myself this way but it's just the truth

00:24:54.120 I can't keep plants alive

00:24:55.440 like and you've come to this before

00:24:58.120 we've let go of this

00:24:59.500 no no no Jacqueline I'm like 1.00

00:25:01.980 breaking down because the orange

00:25:04.020 tree at my home

00:25:05.320 there's like one orange last year this time

00:25:08.320 fruitful fruiting

00:25:10.140 what I just say

00:25:12.040 congrats it's just you know like

00:25:14.040 congrats on having an orange tree

00:25:15.520 100% yeah that I have literally

00:25:18.200 murdered it's like

00:25:19.220 it's still alive

00:25:21.600 but yeah it's just like i can't do it i can't keep this vision of myself i have and i'm out

00:25:29.800 there and i'm gardening and i'm keeping the plants alive it's just never gonna happen i've

00:25:32.880 told you a thousand times your your your creative work is your garden yeah yeah thank you or rock

00:25:38.300 garden yeah or wallpaper garden or just other gardens and if you really want a garden how

00:25:43.460 about yeah give give well my gardener someone who's gifted i well here's what's funny i have

00:25:48.920 a gardener and I really he's so sweet and I really like him everything's dead and I have to go hey

00:25:55.260 that's dead he's like oh yeah sorry I did it I hit the sound so funny you go and so now I have

00:26:02.920 to go up to him man to man and fire him well you gotta go so what are we gonna do here right you

00:26:10.480 gotta be honest is what I'm saying you gotta go like you don't have to be you don't have to like

00:26:14.800 maybe maybe he'll be like well you know maybe he has an answer like well yeah the fires killed

00:26:20.020 everything or like or like there's a drought and they're not allowing us to use the water like this

00:26:23.740 is just what's he might have an answer is all i'm saying you know there's actual seasonal there's

00:26:28.120 actual seasonal stuff but it's it's beyond like it's like there's just comical and he but i i have

00:26:36.200 to take my own but here's the thing the responsibility is on me like i'm not out there

00:26:40.180 hosing it down so yeah and he's told you your maintenance routine no he has not oh anyway like

00:26:47.780 you're like you're like i'm not paying for daily care here i mean you can come once every two

00:26:52.340 months and then you know and then it's like well okay you'll have to maintain these he's here once

00:26:56.240 a week everything's dead that's all i'm gonna say yeah but i'm gonna stop right there

00:27:01.120 he's like i listened to the episode yeah um shout out to eleni oyster bar and silver lake for

00:27:09.980 having the best restaurant burger I've had in a long

00:27:12.080 time. Wow. Outside of

00:27:14.120 the Plimsoll, London. You have a lot of best restaurant

00:27:16.100 burgers in a long time, I gotta say. You love,

00:27:17.940 you love, maybe you just love burgers.

00:27:20.720 Oh, I do love burgers so much.

00:27:23.400 But I just mean

00:27:24.200 like, I feel like you're like...

00:27:26.020 Really? I thought the last one I was talking was

00:27:27.840 Plimsoll in London. Alright, yeah.

00:27:29.980 But that was, you know, a couple months ago.

00:27:31.920 That was a couple months ago. I had two exceptionals.

00:27:33.620 It's not a once every three year. Maybe don't

00:27:35.780 go, don't book a, you know, a plane to

00:27:37.780 London on Kate's

00:27:39.980 you know recommendation for the burger because she might you should book a flight to london just

00:27:44.680 to eat the plimsel and i'm hardly being facetious um so i'm in the thing of i just want to let

00:27:53.280 everyone know i think i mentioned this last week i am coming to the end of my january through june

00:27:57.260 hobonichi congratulations okay well the last several months mostly blank um mostly blank

00:28:04.640 and actually but i'm doing something that once again the last time it was blank for a while

00:28:09.840 that is life-changing is filling it in after the fact, debrief.

00:28:14.440 It doesn't have to be, but just like, okay, so what date was that thing?

00:28:17.700 And then I'm looking at it and going like, some stuff did happen.

00:28:20.540 I didn't just, I'm not just in a permanent state of like, I did nothing.

00:28:24.300 What have I done?

00:28:25.380 I'm like, oh, oh, like, oh, right.

00:28:28.680 I don't know.

00:28:29.240 It's kind of compelling.

00:28:33.220 And the point is, yeah, maybe that's how I, maybe that's what my journal is.

00:28:38.860 You see?

00:28:39.840 I have to do some going back too.

00:28:41.920 I've completely neglected.

00:28:43.880 Yeah.

00:28:44.980 Like even if you just drop in the handwriting changes.

00:28:49.000 So interested by people who truly steady handwriting slow across the journal because,

00:28:56.180 and it's just a matter of, I'm moving at the, I'm trying to move at the speed of my own thinking, right?

00:29:01.220 It's fast.

00:29:01.540 So it's chaos.

00:29:02.120 It hurts the hand.

00:29:03.560 I don't understand, I guess.

00:29:04.700 but then just if i if i were forced to slow down literally forced like like my hand in a

00:29:10.840 thing that moved across the page at a certain kind of interesting experiment it moved it

00:29:15.300 completely metronomed right how might that slow the mind slow the thinking i grew i grew afraid

00:29:24.420 i grew afraid that that people thought our meditation was serious or like good oh my god

00:29:30.500 can you imagine how did you think that oh by the way jacqueline i ran into a woman

00:29:35.860 right maybe 60 i'm terrified she's listening and she's like i'm 49

00:29:40.700 but like and she had seen that and she doesn't even have instagram i was like how

00:29:48.000 she like saw it i was like like over the shoulder of a friend like i don't know

00:29:53.040 I don't know

00:29:53.940 but

00:29:54.980 summer solstice

00:29:58.020 summer solstice

00:29:59.360 my dad is

00:30:00.920 is responsible

00:30:01.880 for the summer solstice

00:30:02.860 in our family

00:30:03.440 it's like

00:30:03.760 group text

00:30:04.740 I went to a summer solstice

00:30:05.760 today's the longest day to hear

00:30:07.000 yeah

00:30:07.760 you did?

00:30:08.660 I went to a summer solstice

00:30:09.640 I guess

00:30:10.200 I went to a summer solstice

00:30:11.800 like

00:30:12.100 you know

00:30:12.920 sit around the fire

00:30:13.880 go around

00:30:14.460 like say what's going on

00:30:15.620 like

00:30:15.840 what are you trying to manifest

00:30:17.160 what do you let go

00:30:17.800 throw it in the fire

00:30:18.620 like people crying 1.00

00:30:19.520 like

00:30:20.100 oh my god

00:30:20.860 I know

00:30:21.780 ritual

00:30:22.800 we need the rituals I've uh I've been thinking a lot about I don't know just like I like I've

00:30:30.220 been wearing like my cousin's um slides and she has these like slides that she has like tons of

00:30:35.640 they're they're sort of like cheap cow print and they're just like around and there were some

00:30:41.360 that I just like borrowed and then have been wearing for weeks and the feeling of like the

00:30:46.860 borrowed item it does so i love the borrowed item oh it's so it it transforms it's it's

00:30:53.800 more of a borrowing like like it should be like among friends you know like i'm just so i step

00:31:00.200 out and then it it uh to walk in another shoes but like yeah she has this this um way of walking

00:31:07.620 that and way of like way of life that is connected to the way that i see her feet get into shoes

00:31:14.580 okay which is she sort of goes like okay like out the door it's like her shoes used to even

00:31:21.080 like a nice loafer like the back would get truly like crushed down yeah anyway and she's like she

00:31:26.760 would be very like let's drive to let's like get in the car and drive to whatever it'd be like we're

00:31:31.520 driving in new york city like like things that sounded really hard to me you know like the movie

00:31:36.220 is only playing it blah blah we could just get in the car and and it's like she sort of shuffles

00:31:41.140 into the shoe and so I've sort of been shuffling her slides and then stepping out into the street

00:31:47.260 and complete it's completely giving me the the acting in the role when you realize that the

00:31:54.120 effect that that has like oh if I chose to go about my day as literally anything at all other

00:32:00.240 than just completely fluid self-concept what might be done it's it's actually it actually

00:32:07.980 becomes existential instantly where you go oh no what have I why have I been defaulting why couldn't

00:32:14.740 I just pretend to be someone else the whole time like yeah like you know of course I actually had

00:32:19.840 that happen actually had that happen to me today in a way where well by the way I don't like this

00:32:24.840 and someone says imagine twice twice this person and if she listens it's fine a friend you okay

00:32:31.720 oh me no said to me oh sorry i was just something i was like you okay i was like yeah in the middle

00:32:39.000 of me off in the middle of hanging out yeah like like as if reacting to your behavior and i go

00:32:45.900 she was like you okay and i was like yeah and i felt i was like oh my being like maybe i feel

00:32:50.360 like slightly socially awkward i'm really hot we're in a big crowd like i'm wearing a big hat

00:32:54.580 like i'm a little hot i'm a little hungry i want coffee you know what i mean but i thought i was

00:32:59.160 being I'm being normal and then again she was like are you okay and I was like yeah like am I

00:33:05.020 doing like his I literally like I was like yeah and then she was like and she was like sorry she

00:33:11.320 was like maybe it's me or something I was like like maybe she's not you know I was like what

00:33:15.020 and then I actually thought of this friend of mine came to mind who is very like a known her

00:33:20.080 forever like she's very I was like how would she yeah be right now in response to that or in a big

00:33:26.720 crowd yeah or or if i seem off if i seem off maybe am i being quiet am i being not super

00:33:34.680 like i don't know and so then i thought pretend you're this person i was like pretend i'm like

00:33:40.260 how would this person have been well i guess she'd be like oh my god i haven't seen you and um

00:33:44.780 do you know like and i didn't do that but she flashed into her mind why can't i be like her

00:33:49.120 yeah be like her but are you okay pissed me you didn't dig for more I even went like this I went

00:33:56.600 I went I was like oh and then I actually found myself and it helped I kind of looked off so

00:34:00.880 she couldn't see me I went like like did a huge eye roll to the camera in the corner is this to

00:34:05.420 the camera in the corner am I okay I'm actually great what do you need from me it's weird I really

00:34:13.240 you're almost afraid to say why like why do you ask because like are you gonna love the answer

00:34:18.900 what could it be what could the answer be that you're gonna love you okay you just seem

00:34:23.280 hauntingly beautiful like are you okay no it's just it's just like it's like but it was very

00:34:30.360 it was like so you don't want to investigate so confusing because i was like what do i need

00:34:35.400 what do i need to be for you um what did i experience what did what did i experience

00:34:43.880 let's see i had a thing where i was asleep and again because i had the the fascial release

00:34:50.400 i guess the solstice begins on friday and i get confused but it was like the two-day period of

00:34:55.340 the solstice whatever fascial release i was falling asleep and naomi said it's like wake up

00:35:00.360 full volume am i in los angeles am i in america jesus like the panic yeah am i in los angeles

00:35:08.160 where am i yeah yeah yeah like i don't remember dreams are a savage experience to go through

00:35:15.380 nightly i have a fun i have a funny dream for you really quick don't worry it's only two sentences

00:35:19.780 i dreamt i dreamt i had a nominee an emmy nomination for best actress yeah like something

00:35:26.520 And I was like, oh, my God, like what?

00:35:29.280 And then it was a thing where I'm like at the Emmys or something and I win and I'm looking at the photos and I'm so underdressed, you know, like, what am I doing?

00:35:37.120 And then and then my mother tells me, oh, it's not an Emmy.

00:35:40.680 It's a Boston Theater Award.

00:35:46.940 So specific.

00:35:48.540 Oh, it's not an Emmy.

00:35:49.460 You won a Boston Theater Award.

00:35:56.520 Pretty funny.

00:35:57.480 Anyway.

00:35:58.300 Yeah, throughout the day, throughout the day, just a little like, oh, we talked about that in my dream three nights ago.

00:36:04.560 You know, just like the little ones are interesting.

00:36:08.260 Oh, we watched TV together.

00:36:09.380 That was really fun.

00:36:10.600 Oh, that was really cute, Jacqueline.

00:36:12.240 We watch, I text Jacqueline.

00:36:13.480 I'm like, have you watched Body in the Snow?

00:36:15.560 Yeah, I'm like shocked that I hadn't.

00:36:16.980 Because Jacqueline's the, you know, she's got all the docs. 0.98

00:36:19.780 She's on top of it. 0.96

00:36:20.760 Karen Reed, Innocent.

00:36:22.060 We'll go back and watch, folks.

00:36:23.240 Four episodes on HBO.

00:36:25.060 Great little.

00:36:25.680 Six, five.

00:36:26.200 six five and jacqueline and i go i'm waiting so i want to jump yeah that's the best you go i'll

00:36:30.400 wait i'm 15 i go how far are you in yeah i guess i'm at 11 i'll pause i go i pause and wait almost

00:36:36.180 here it was it was really great like the pizza's reminded too i was reminded of the calendar remember

00:36:43.140 last fourth of july you came over oh yeah we're almost there again that's a year ago you believe

00:36:48.260 that oh yeah passage of time once again strikes right in the heart really shocking it happened

00:36:53.840 to me. I saw, you know, I had a sweet, sweet interaction many years ago with an eight year

00:36:58.100 old. Yeah. My friend texts me, she's graduating high school today. What, what, what, what, what,

00:37:03.020 what, what, what? Yeah. How do you blink and it's over? I went, I went to a graduation at my old

00:37:09.060 high school and saw a teacher get ready for this. Was sure he'd remember me. Okay. Oh my God.

00:37:15.660 Was sure. I go, oh my God, he's here. He's like an administrator. It's me. I see him. I'm like,

00:37:20.500 I'm going to go for it. I'm going to go over there. Cause he was, he was an advisor on the

00:37:24.740 student paper and the particular paper that I worked on. And he was sort of like a writing

00:37:30.780 teacher to me basically. And I'd bring him things. And it was almost a joke. Like, like I remember I

00:37:36.500 brought him my college application essay and it was like, he starts reading it and like in the

00:37:41.120 second line, he's like, Oh no. Almost like, cause it seemed to be like another one about sex and

00:37:46.580 boys okay so it was like an ongoing joke like you know because i wrote did he see goik well this is

00:37:54.280 the joke i'm like hello okay okay i was like i am a writer and comedian not whatever i go over i was

00:38:01.740 like yeah yeah i was like so tell me exactly what happens okay i hear his name during the graduation

00:38:07.520 mentioned as like an administrator i'm like oh my god is he here i'm in the ranks google him okay

00:38:14.000 to make sure I can see like an updated pic that'll be able to find him after I see him I go over

00:38:18.720 I almost ask someone else is that him right and then I'm like hi I'm like you know it's I don't

00:38:26.480 know why I want to protect his identity but I do but let's just say his name was like you know

00:38:30.080 Mr. Cabbage or whatever like I'm like Mr. Cabbage yeah no but I'm like Mr. Cabbage I'm like I'm like

00:38:39.620 I'm a former student of yours, Jacqueline Novak.

00:38:43.280 Like I was like, I was like, what did I say?

00:38:46.260 I was like, you, you were my, you were a writing teacher

00:38:49.140 and you were the advisor on, you know, the paper I worked on.

00:38:53.220 And, you know, we had a huge impact on me or whatever.

00:38:56.100 I was like, I'm a writer now.

00:38:57.820 I was like a writer and a comedian and whatever.

00:39:00.300 And I realizing like, he's not.

00:39:02.880 Wait, what's going on in his face?

00:39:04.320 You say Jacqueline Novak, he looks at you blankly?

00:39:06.480 Yeah.

00:39:07.460 No.

00:39:07.780 and i go okay in high school i was jackie so you know jackie novak yeah still right and i'm like

00:39:15.780 it was your first couple years i was like you went to such and such college like i was dropping

00:39:21.020 on him all the stuff i remembered about him i didn't say the following but i was like i met

00:39:24.640 your wife okay i remember the day she came to the school like in the afternoon you know i'm like i'm

00:39:30.620 like i could tell him so much about him and it's amazing thing of like and the whole time he's

00:39:34.220 because he's just like oh my god i'm so sorry and i was like it was your fridge he's like i was the

00:39:38.360 advisor of the paper and i because like i just thought it was the first couple years like those

00:39:43.920 are sort of core and then and then i was like anyway i like don't want to keep you kind of thing

00:39:48.760 i was like but you had a huge impact on me whatever and then i was like so nice i was like

00:39:52.960 i'm gonna email you i was like i'm gonna email you yeah because we're not done here you know

00:39:58.780 like i was like i love that i love that he needs was he charmed was he into it yes he was really

00:40:03.360 sweet. And then he was like, and he was like, my email, like is, you know, whatever he, he,

00:40:07.920 he was Mr. Cabbage, Mr. Cabbage industries.com. And, and, and, and cause he's been, he's since

00:40:15.340 been like, he was like, became principal. And then, and then, you know, I forget what his

00:40:20.280 current title is, but I sent an email today because like being like, I don't, I've, I'd be

00:40:25.280 like, I was amused at how, uh, like convinced I was that you'd remember me. I was like, and it's

00:40:30.380 okay if you don't it's not about that but i still think it's fun for me to share a few memories with

00:40:34.540 you did you send him goik i didn't send it to him but i told him like so on netflix yeah you know

00:40:41.400 i did a show i was like because i told him the anecdotes of because i used to write like my

00:40:46.680 early writing was very like and i plan to bring it back okay i plan to bring the fiction back

00:40:51.620 you know what i mean like the short stories but it was very like you know like these like haunted

00:40:56.040 characters who like like this sort of like absurdity of the mundane you know like like

00:41:02.740 kind of like sort of like sexualized like like a woman like fixated on a man's like hands like

00:41:09.100 eating a donut or whatever you know like this is like my neighbor and what's going on behind my

00:41:12.840 you know just whatever so and you used to be you know like like laugh and be like oh no like because

00:41:19.040 it'd be like another piece about like sex or boys or something like that and I was like

00:41:22.420 well like you know I wrote and performed a show that got me all the way to the top I was like

00:41:27.660 the themes are the same I was like but also they include like writing and like high school education

00:41:34.260 so I'm like I really think you'd love it he's going to be crying so I it was it was it was

00:41:41.540 quite fantastic keep us posted I know I know and and gosh but the whole thing of the teachers

00:41:47.940 you know the it's it's it's a strange it's a strange not power thing but a strange status

00:41:55.700 where it's like I mean I remember I remember specific things he said about writing that were

00:42:01.180 like like one time I brought in this sort of short story and I was like it could be better

00:42:05.960 like I could have done I could have made it I could have like something like I could have done

00:42:10.480 it better I could have made it better and he's like well you couldn't have because you didn't

00:42:14.720 like you know what i mean like this is what you did like yeah and so i mentioned that to him

00:42:20.620 radical because it was kind of radical you know it was like you don't get points for 0.60

00:42:24.480 i don't know it yeah anyway huge um experience also ran into a couple hags at the graduation 0.95

00:42:31.380 that was great you're like please go recognize me in front of mr fucking cabbage 0.79

00:42:36.260 i know i was like i was like it was nice it was very nice and i told them i appreciated this you 0.70

00:42:42.860 know being at my old high school to recognize this nice uh you know but yeah yeah i was doing like

00:42:48.380 i don't think i sent you the photos but i started to pull you know the thing of like you with a

00:42:53.700 friend like sending the photos of yourself as a child like we do it to each other yeah it's like

00:42:58.700 the one it's like the one safe space because you're not like i mean i i posted you know the

00:43:02.980 captain photo on instagram i had to i was promoting the subset but you know we've talked about the

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00:45:02.740 Now, you know, a few days off Instagram, it's like my whole world has changed.

00:45:07.620 Oh, right. I forgot that you were off.

00:45:09.480 I'll be back.

00:45:10.540 But you're not yet on...

00:45:12.060 Light phone. So I'm going to break out the light phone.

00:45:14.640 Now, did you...

00:45:15.420 Possibly today.

00:45:15.840 You didn't get rid of mine. You're still saving mine, right?

00:45:18.220 Yeah. Get rid of, of course.

00:45:20.320 Like that you sold it?

00:45:22.020 Yeah, I sold it.

00:45:23.920 You got to get back in town for my birthday.

00:45:26.280 Oh, yeah. It's fast approaching, isn't it?

00:45:28.940 We'll see because, by the way, I'll say it once and I'll say it again.

00:45:32.740 New York. I got my eyes on you. Wow. I've been there forever. Have you still been gone since

00:45:39.060 London? Yeah. Same suitcase. Unbelievable. How many months? Four? At least. And there's a chance

00:45:45.540 I don't make it back. I mean, like before heading to Scotland. Oh, that's right. You're going to

00:45:52.740 Scotland. We'll see. I don't know. It's kind of being on the road does do a lot for me. It's

00:45:57.600 interesting so should we get into product corner where are we yeah i'll just say quickly where are

00:46:04.740 you with placemats and napkin rings because i've always been very i thought i mean are we talking

00:46:10.380 dinner parties kate or are we talking life no no talking about like we're talking about dinner

00:46:14.760 parties okay although um so i typically napkin rings now placemats to me have always been again

00:46:21.380 protestant something weird i wasn't raised with them it's strange i was gifted um a friend gave

00:46:28.040 me not like a poo gift really high quality like nice placemats like pretty placemats and then i

00:46:36.240 go let's break these out we had dinner with them and to my shock i loved it well i know you you 0.86

00:46:43.280 know believe in staining the wood and the whole thing and and fuck coasters right yeah so maybe 0.87

00:46:48.860 was sort of part of that mindset and this is a very coaster driven the friend is coaster coaster 0.89

00:46:54.080 coaster so so the value system that comes along with the placemat which is a coaster for a plate

00:47:00.140 you reject but yet the experience of just using one you enjoyed now was it the frame was it having

00:47:07.100 a frame under the plate I think yeah something about it looked pretty it made the table look

00:47:12.200 prettier sure does yeah i mean that will depend but even well i don't know if it i still i don't

00:47:19.240 know i still do think unto my head i prefer the bare table how easy are they to clean because

00:47:24.180 that's the question so they're like a woven uh so i don't know are they i think i don't think that

00:47:30.960 easy no it's not a wipe down you're not you're not running this under the sink that's another

00:47:35.020 thing about them it's like because because yeah you ever like they're not durable in that way

00:47:40.000 You're like spot cleaning from last.

00:47:41.860 Cause like, I want to be free and use it as a.

00:47:45.020 Sloppy Joe catcher.

00:47:46.480 Yeah.

00:47:46.860 Yeah.

00:47:48.540 So it's like, so, but you know, in my house, like, and at my parents' house, we always,

00:47:56.700 you know, oh, wear the placemats, have different placemats every night.

00:48:00.920 Yeah.

00:48:01.520 Just standard.

00:48:02.880 Well, this is what you.

00:48:03.820 Throw them in the washing machine.

00:48:05.880 You know, there's different ones.

00:48:06.920 It's just kind of like the woven wood, like not wood, but you know, like, you know, like

00:48:11.640 a basket fiber would be made of.

00:48:13.600 Yeah. 0.83

00:48:13.940 Yeah.

00:48:14.320 Like stiff.

00:48:15.140 That's kind of what these are.

00:48:16.060 They're pretty. 0.91

00:48:16.860 Cloth is convenient for throwing in the wash.

00:48:19.820 Mm-hmm.

00:48:20.300 Mm-hmm.

00:48:21.160 I just wonder if I'll break, I think I will break them out tonight for guests.

00:48:24.420 Oh, right.

00:48:25.020 So, so the dinner, so, so you already, so, so farmer's market actually led to, want to

00:48:31.800 come over?

00:48:32.880 Ran into a couple.

00:48:33.920 Oh my God, we have a two.

00:48:35.160 What are you doing tonight?

00:48:35.720 We're talking about, oh, we're making dinner.

00:48:36.920 We're making dinner too.

00:48:38.120 Why don't you come over and make dinner?

00:48:40.740 They're bringing a crumble.

00:48:42.480 And yeah, this is one of the things that, again, I say,

00:48:44.640 which is like, because you entertain people coming over.

00:48:48.160 You go, oh, I got to make a big man.

00:48:49.900 I got to make, there I'm at the farmer's market.

00:48:51.480 I decide I'm going to make an amazing salad

00:48:53.840 with tons of herbs and, you know,

00:48:56.060 amazing olive oil, awesome, amazing.

00:48:57.780 They had a fresh pasta guy, mushroom ravioli, fresh.

00:49:03.340 There's dinner, mushroom ravioli for the group.

00:49:05.480 Yeah, versus what?

00:49:06.160 like you mean like self-consciousness that you're not providing like a homemade yeah or just something

00:49:12.240 yeah to do a lion's mane steak I mean that's almost like but but specifically the ravioli

00:49:20.380 of it all feels not main enough fun no no okay that's great I go here we are fresh pasta

00:49:28.600 so just want to free everyone if you're overwhelmed with hosting get ravioli get fresh ravioli well

00:49:34.640 you know what I'm looking, looking forward to in the next five years? I don't know. I'm thinking

00:49:40.860 of, I mean, this, this will cure all my issues, right? I'm going to start hosting parties.

00:49:46.780 Great. I mean, because, and I don't have to leave the house, but I love to host. I love people.

00:49:51.340 Okay. Yeah. Here they come. You love to host? Technically. Yes. Even though I barely do it.

00:49:57.900 Yeah. Yeah. And like, great. Well, I mean, I mean, and I, I like even a spontaneous,

00:50:02.380 You haven't forgotten the strawberry daiquiris.

00:50:05.400 Naomi brought that up the other night.

00:50:07.060 They were like, that was, yeah, we were in the area.

00:50:09.280 Came by.

00:50:09.880 Remember I was hungry.

00:50:10.640 You made me like yams.

00:50:11.740 Yeah.

00:50:12.340 Purple yams.

00:50:13.840 Yeah.

00:50:14.120 And then something was wrong with the seaweed.

00:50:17.240 Oh, yeah.

00:50:17.520 It was like, I thought it was toasted seaweed.

00:50:19.360 It was not.

00:50:20.560 Oh, yeah.

00:50:20.780 It was wet.

00:50:21.580 And then, yeah, you made strawberry daiquiris.

00:50:25.200 Being like, you want another?

00:50:26.680 That was great.

00:50:27.280 I had a delicious frozen drink here in New York the other night.

00:50:32.380 They say small and large, it's always tough.

00:50:34.620 I said small, it's quite sizable.

00:50:36.700 Small is never small.

00:50:37.780 And it was a lunch cocktail.

00:50:39.100 I decided...

00:50:39.780 Frozen lunch cocktail?

00:50:40.880 I was like, yeah.

00:50:41.720 I was like...

00:50:42.000 You, lunch?

00:50:42.920 Alone, writing.

00:50:44.140 Oh, I see.

00:50:44.840 You know, a cafe sort of that serves food. 1.00

00:50:48.380 And I said, fuck it. 0.99

00:50:50.820 I think I might have posted some... 1.00

00:50:52.520 Posted...

00:50:53.600 I might have...

00:50:54.280 Pina?

00:50:55.140 No, it was...

00:50:55.920 No.

00:50:56.580 I think it was some kind of guava sort of thing.

00:50:58.880 Yum.

00:51:00.040 I'm not...

00:51:00.500 Frozen Negroni.

00:51:01.360 I prefer...

00:51:02.160 Yeah, I prefer, as usual, a cocktail over a wine frozen.

00:51:09.080 Like, I'd really take anything.

00:51:11.020 Yeah, of course.

00:51:12.340 Okay, well.

00:51:14.400 I really enjoyed talking.

00:51:16.600 Great to talk.

00:51:18.360 If you're not already signed up for my own Substack, obviously do that.

00:51:22.240 Kate's on the road.

00:51:23.060 No, wait, you're not on the road right now, but you will be again soon.

00:51:24.940 kaperland.com.

00:51:25.980 I'm going to be in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco.

00:51:28.420 I'm going to be in New York in a couple of weeks.

00:51:32.160 Or maybe I'll add some shows.

00:51:33.520 I don't know.

00:51:33.920 See.

00:51:36.280 Mailing listeners, no.

00:51:38.680 Substack's new mailing list.

00:51:39.820 Thank you.

00:51:41.960 All right.

00:51:43.780 Great.

00:51:44.960 Okay.

00:51:46.060 Love you.

00:51:46.420 Bye.

Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - July 01, 2025

Aspirationally Rude

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