Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Bonus

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00:01:05.080 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.540 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.640 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

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00:01:19.560 Today's topic, loosely speaking, navicular accessory.

00:01:23.020 Death by bear.

00:01:23.920 Double blind.

00:01:25.540 and hello hello hello i want to talk about my foot today are you happy about it or devastated

00:01:32.680 to hear about your foot no tell me because you were texting me some skeletal information no

00:01:38.820 pun intended skeletal is a favorite word of mine to use to describe something bare a small amount

00:01:44.340 of information oh i see okay that's interesting like on phone calls i'll be like i just have this

00:01:49.100 like skeletal idea but uh see that's interesting because this call it skeletal does suggest that

00:01:54.080 the bones the structure are there so it's actually kind of a like it's kind of a big promise

00:01:58.520 but you're actually completely right skeletal like i have the structure of the film all three

00:02:04.720 acts of course a skeleton that's so true i've never had a skeletal idea i only have fragments

00:02:11.620 i'm like this is the scent this is the perfume that would be in the air or that character to

00:02:16.560 walk by no we can come up with language to sort of defend that and couch that in a way that

00:02:22.820 you know sets you up for excellence but just so they're not expecting a skeleton you know which

00:02:27.220 is bones from head to toe right every it's a it's articulated bones you know what i like to say i

00:02:34.540 also got i i was mildly distracted because i was thinking about fossils and um anyway i'm back

00:02:41.040 kind of bringing them into your life more no i don't need them well i do think about i i do think

00:02:46.780 about us seeing uh what is a cave of forgotten dreams verner and okay one of the greatest

00:02:53.500 experiences being in the theater we were i think we were in the sunshine cinema now of course it's

00:02:59.140 been leveled and now it'll be a footlocker and then that will be levels and i actually was

00:03:04.840 picturing us sort of clomping towards the towards the theater and then my it was one of my favorite

00:03:11.100 memories because so kate's father collects early man art in the form of stones okay or rocks

00:03:19.720 paleolithic stone tools yes but he has some that like look like faces and stuff right

00:03:24.460 where you don't want to talk about it it's a huge no i actually do and you don't want to do i want

00:03:28.620 to pause because i want to shout out my dad's book and i don't know what it's called can you

00:03:31.720 believe that no and i didn't even know he had a book while you look for that i'm going to shout

00:03:36.440 out my dad's podcast called the cunning of geist which i helped him start this year it's about

00:03:41.800 hegel oh my god are you serious it's pretty cozy to listen to his voice he's more prepared and and

00:03:48.120 what he talks about so you don't get to hear him saying okay you know like i do which would be

00:03:53.840 really cozy for the listeners i think okay okay give it to me but i am going to bring us back to

00:03:58.520 sunshine before i do certainly i would like to briefly plug my father's book first sculpture

00:04:03.360 hand axe to figure stone no um when did this come out three years ago i guess and you said nothing

00:04:10.600 i know i'm so excited hand axes yeah um you know these are objects that used to be seen as being

00:04:17.680 purely functional as tools you'll see them in many major collections but the idea is that no

00:04:22.420 these were in fact symbolic objects right these were art objects and also and i guess i kind of

00:04:27.620 stole this idea maybe unfairly in my show whatever we don't talk about that but taking rocks back the

00:04:32.900 original curation a rock that is found in nature as something that looks a little bit like a woman's

00:04:38.700 body and then they carry that back exactly so curation as art right yes um well that was and

00:04:44.520 i should cite your father if i'm gonna you know you please do cite tony yeah no it's pretty wild

00:04:49.940 the idea that you can actually carbon date these objects you can see that they were as you said

00:04:53.740 curated they're brought from disparate locations to one location which and this is the key that

00:04:59.840 fact is what makes it that it it is you know art or whatever that it's not purely function obviously

00:05:05.220 right now and here and the reason i'm not saying it in the perfect way and i'm about to is because 0.57

00:05:09.560 you said it in the perfect way in the movie theater okay and i'm gonna die i'm gonna die

00:05:14.160 okay okay it's like my favorite thing and it honestly launched a huge sense of like where

00:05:19.060 our collaboration should ultimately lie in this life okay okay so so we go to the theater we're

00:05:23.880 watching came of forgotten dreams the whole thing and you know they're basically acting like what

00:05:28.420 that that's like the first art i think in cave forgotten dreams the paintings on the wall

00:05:32.800 yeah they're talking about i think these cave paintings and they say that you know the first

00:05:39.660 ones to create art of early man were something such i forget what it was and you said you leaned

00:05:45.960 over to me side glance okay and just go and just go um actually homo habilis had aesthetic sense

00:05:54.080 okay because they were trying to act like homo habilis okay whatever they were attributing 0.89

00:05:59.760 aesthetic sensitivity to the next generation homo erectus homo erectus yeah yeah yeah those 0.89

00:06:06.440 could be wrong but the point is you leaned over and said homo habilis which like i'm not sure i 0.52

00:06:10.860 even i won't lie i probably didn't know the word okay yeah it's like homo habilis had aesthetic

00:06:17.040 sense okay just leaning over to correct herzog was immensely gorgeous and satisfying to me and 0.97

00:06:22.860 oh wow god to be in the theater with you god i miss it god to be uh yeah cave of forgotten

00:06:29.520 dreams that could use a rewatch yeah but is that the one i i forget is that the one that includes

00:06:35.760 the um and this is the only way i can say it neon lizards i don't remember anything else i knew you

00:06:39.720 were gonna say that i absolutely is that a different one it's no that's the one it's a

00:06:43.200 really striking image i believe it's the very end of the film and i can't even remember what

00:06:47.800 really it meant exactly that's why i'm just like a neon lizard is all i have i will say briefly i

00:06:52.560 did a we can move on from from herzog but i uh or not but i uh i recently did a rewatch of grizzly

00:06:59.180 man and it is officially in my top five movies favorite films of all time yeah god kate no

00:07:04.460 when's the time you watched it uh years okay but there was a period where i watched it a lot now

00:07:08.560 like for the listeners of course i wept i rewatched it and i was weeping well weeping

00:07:14.180 may be as strong. Actually, do you consider weeping? Is it weeping if the tears are silently

00:07:19.840 cascading? Get ready. No, no, no. It's no, no, no. Of course. You mean, of course, that's the

00:07:24.960 definition. Of course, that's weeping. No, because I think of we because like there needs to be like

00:07:29.000 an auditory element, which is sobbing to me. Yeah. No, no, no. It's very interesting. Weep

00:07:33.920 more than I sob because I'm sorry to bring up my book. OK, but how to weep always bring it.

00:07:39.780 This was an issue. This was a question. I mean, I have a book with the word weep in the title

00:07:43.700 and that book I mean or that title you know I remember Jenna Friedman comedian said to me

00:07:49.680 why isn't it how to cry in public she just sort of said that and I of course you know that is you

00:07:54.700 know there's an insult there and I accept it from her and actually I believe she asked me that

00:07:58.380 question like um twice with like six years in between like the same question occurred I don't

00:08:05.240 even believe I don't think she's been thinking of the whole time because that doesn't feel as

00:08:07.880 much like her I think she spontaneously went why weep you know cry is stronger and more direct and

00:08:13.660 whatever but to me weep is comical because it's um a feat it's not the right word so much more

00:08:19.320 poetic yeah and so it's sort of outrageous so so anyway but yeah to me weeping is kind of that

00:08:24.080 is kind of a silent um i mean much like a weeping wound you know that metaphor a weeping wound isn't

00:08:30.040 screaming weep i would also argue is a more feminized term yes crying kind of feels like

00:08:36.860 also attributed to babies weeping suggests emotion yes right like babies cry but a little bit right

00:08:45.480 a little bit of drama because it is we're leaning and we know sort of leaning into that

00:08:49.240 all right jesus pull me back so so so okay so grizzly for the people that don't know

00:08:55.820 is uh one of verner herzog's um documentaries and it's about grizzly man wait i feel like i

00:09:02.120 have the wrong name timothy treadwell what's that you got it oh yeah um he's a man that lived with

00:09:09.840 the grizzlies right yes or at least he'd go out there every summer and sort of commune with the

00:09:15.740 grizzlies everyone thought he was crazy and documentary to be clear in the end yeah hey

00:09:23.000 don't go to the end you don't think that's part of the truth everyone knows we've all heard the

00:09:27.880 tape but it's um you have not heard the tape that's a joke right no one's heard the tape

00:09:31.940 so this is what i want to say there's no spoiler here he's dead okay and he died by bear okay he

00:09:37.720 died by bear i think that's a selling point you can know that like that's the thing you know it

00:09:42.260 doesn't matter what happens it matters how it happens right you can listen to this not knowing

00:09:45.780 that and still be completely thrilled by the film it's not it's not about the surprise that that he

00:09:50.540 dies. It's the inevitability. Exactly. And then in an utterly stunning kind of filmmaker, sort of

00:09:59.020 the filmmakers in the film kind of thing, Werner, there's a tape, there's audio tape because

00:10:03.840 Timothy Treadwell filmed himself all the time. Why am I educating? What is this tone? Okay.

00:10:09.100 Keep going. So Timothy Treadwell, you know what this feels like? I feel like I'm a talking head

00:10:14.040 in like any of those, like not even just best week ever, but like, like I knew you were going

00:10:19.140 to say any of those where i'm like we're like they've got they've put it into my mouth best

00:10:22.860 week ever no i mean yeah it's a whole it's a whole thing right we will not be meeting the

00:10:27.720 best week ever it launched many friends i would draw i weep for best week ever yeah i appreciate

00:10:32.820 best week ever that was a huge moment and it employed countless comedians that's what i'm

00:10:37.320 saying employed countless um this is pre you know twitter round technically they weren't countless

00:10:43.260 because i didn't get on the show yeah it's true right so so it wasn't it was fine

00:10:48.740 circulating yeah a carousel but yeah no i feel like i'm doing that when i'm like so grizzly man

00:10:56.280 um uh yeah so at the end towards the end whatever there's tape existing of him dying

00:11:03.740 please break in you're gonna say it better i know this is so strange but i wanted to say

00:11:07.780 there's a best week ever joke that i probably think about twice a year from best which is crazy

00:11:12.500 yeah yeah and i don't remember who said it of course i cannot attribute it to a single community

00:11:16.460 i want to say it was christian finnegan i bet it was okay so they're talking about the secret

00:11:21.440 yes as in the the film that was released for the documentary it was released alongside the secret

00:11:26.960 and they're talking about how in the secret they say like if you have cancer like watch

00:11:31.100 charlie chaplin film and laugh and like laugh the cancer out or like you know and then christian

00:11:35.660 finnegan was like if you laugh at a charlie chaplin movie the cancer will leave your body

00:11:39.520 out of embarrassment that's so funny oh my god i love it it better be christian or it's his now

00:11:47.780 like the idea imagine like go falling in a chaplain film because here's what's embarrassing

00:11:51.960 i pretended to do that when i was 18 years old and i was like i'm actually more of a keaton head

00:11:57.320 you know and i was like i was like a buster keaton i was like chaplain i you know it's

00:12:01.560 keaton all the way no me as a young girl saying the same about freud and young freud i'm a young

00:12:06.280 yeah well please tell your story about that sometime i mean obviously but every mention

00:12:09.960 i have to go deeper into freud because i lost a lot of it now i'm so young young young

00:12:14.080 no right but i remember being you know at a screening for sherlock jr the the buster keaton

00:12:20.100 film yeah and uh which is which is listen to me i'm about to go which is great who cares it is

00:12:26.440 great but who cares but he actually broke his neck making it which is a wild little oh maybe

00:12:32.320 it'll end up on a great show called cursed films you ever see that it's devastating no yeah but um

00:12:37.980 i just remember laughing being in the audience laughing aka pretending to laugh well for example

00:12:44.720 i have news to impress my older cinema teacher okay just held up charlie chaplin my autobiography

00:12:52.540 where's my sherlock where's my i have my buster keaton autobiography this is this is the thing

00:12:57.840 this is like when i've uh when i continue to buy copies of tartuffe okay i continue to buy copies

00:13:04.400 of tartuffe at secondhand bookstores like convinced like you know like like reading early

00:13:09.460 um like comedies okay oh i know like oh like i'm gonna have this sort of bedrock of ancient

00:13:17.060 comedy knowledge you know i'm not going back to the 80s folks i'm going back you know that sort

00:13:21.280 of thing yeah where were we you're saying you're saying buying copies of tartuffe

00:13:27.780 Yeah, I'm done with that.

00:13:28.600 I'm so grisly, man.

00:13:29.380 Can we just want to get it clear about what occurs?

00:13:31.580 OK, so he always taped himself and video camera and these, you know, he was alone.

00:13:37.040 He would go alone for months and would just be alone with the bears and his video camera.

00:13:41.260 And he captured some truly incredible footage, not just of the bears, but of himself encountering

00:13:47.700 them and living there and other animals.

00:13:49.340 There's such beautiful footage.

00:13:51.000 I mean, I hadn't seen it in years and I was quite swept away.

00:13:53.640 Are there sleeping foxes in a hole?

00:13:54.700 Yes, Jacqueline, the foxes.

00:13:56.300 know there's foxes being the foxes are the star of grizzly man in my opinion they are the foxes

00:14:01.780 are so sweet and it's just very it's very there's a lot going on in it it's just great but when he

00:14:07.980 finally is killed by a grizzly bear yeah you know his camera falls to the side i i don't know if

00:14:13.580 there's any video of it but there's certainly audio he was with his girlfriend two were mauled

00:14:17.040 of course she oh right yeah wait she was there oh she was there they were both mauled to death

00:14:24.880 by grizzly bears wait i am scum she i deleted the woman well no you're not from the memory 0.67

00:14:32.440 following the narrative of verner of the prevailing narrative i mean not that she's

00:14:36.900 ignored in the film but it's off it's about because he's the one that led the brigade she

00:14:41.920 was there yeah she was there she actually i believe encountered him being slaughtered by

00:14:47.560 a bear like she like came back came upon no him being and so she's like and there's so what

00:14:54.060 happens is the camera falls to the side the lens cap is on but what was captured is the horrifying

00:14:58.400 audio of them both being murdered not murdered bears don't murder they just do not show it in

00:15:03.160 the film instead instead brilliantly they don't include the audio but they simply show

00:15:10.280 herzog listening to the audio sorry i was gonna say no it's it's i was gonna say like a stunning

00:15:16.120 you know it's a sort of stunning ego kind of like that the climax of the film is the filmmaker

00:15:22.080 are listening to audio and weeping yeah was he weeping or he's not weeping okay not even a single

00:15:28.800 tear no i think oh absolutely tearless no i think right i think he was almost to weep would have

00:15:34.520 been a bit much because he's in front of people right he's in front of family who's never listened

00:15:37.960 he's in he's in front of timothy's ex-girlfriend who never listened right yeah but she she holds

00:15:44.120 the tape and he's like promise me you'll never listen to this and she's like i promise you must

00:15:48.420 never listen to this god the man knows how to do gravitas i know the way he talks about nature as

00:15:54.860 being you know it's not that i forget which film of his he talks about the rainforest as being

00:15:59.440 pornographic and the unfinished work of god it's like so brilliant or something he talks about it

00:16:04.860 being like the rainforest is being unfinished which is so that's interesting in the sense that

00:16:10.100 it's like this sort of it's lush and wild it's it's unpolished no no the idea of like the

00:16:16.060 churning fornication of the rainforest and that it's like the fornication it's separate from

00:16:22.360 i mean ideally separate from human intervention right and it's like this

00:16:26.320 just visually this kind of matrix of nature that's unfinished it can never be finished

00:16:34.380 because it goes on forever oh it's burden of dreams in which he talks about weird

00:16:38.700 two documentaries that both end in the word dreams you can't do that data has broken in

00:16:43.880 to say that one is about him and one is by him and that's just a great example of the power of

00:16:49.260 a preposition you know the difference between buying about right there anyway so i do want to

00:16:53.260 talk about my foot we got to grizzly man right wait can i just say briefly because you were

00:16:56.900 talking about us in the east village going to the cinemas right and i was yesterday thinking about

00:17:02.340 my youth and how my own nostalgia for you know kim's video right like i had an actual i had an

00:17:09.900 actual membership at cam's video or just going to record stores and being convinced that i would

00:17:15.520 fall in love there i was like i was like if i go to bookstore i go to record store like i'm gonna

00:17:19.540 fall in love among the stacks yeah you'll glance over and it'll be like it'll be like oh you also

00:17:24.180 like i mean that kind of stuff so that was such a vital part of my my life i feel like leaving that

00:17:31.160 love would be going to brick and mortars to fall in love right right right right right let me think

00:17:36.260 about that right um i'm trying to think if i've ever had a positive interaction in a brick and

00:17:40.400 mortar with with a person you know what i mean like ever like yeah happened in one because you

00:17:46.540 know i love to glance and make eye contact and say like can you believe the hell oh i'll tell

00:17:51.080 you my cbs story one time i mean and by one time i mean after the break okay see you back see you

00:17:58.580 It adds time, baby.

00:18:28.580 Police are lied to everybody.

00:18:30.260 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:18:33.200 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:18:35.860 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:18:38.680 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:18:42.020 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:18:44.940 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:18:46.620 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:18:49.540 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:18:52.620 Boom, boom. 0.97

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00:19:46.840 tell me a CVS story. I'm excited. It's just one of my strong memories of sort of the horror of

00:19:52.040 the fact that if you're on antidepressants, particularly trying to start out on them or 0.98

00:19:56.340 you're not on the right ones yet, the fact that you have to haul your depressed ass to the CVS 0.86

00:20:01.460 and work through the gauntlet of that and insurance issues. I mean, it's just it's 0.97

00:20:06.140 astonishing that, you know, it's I guess like in general, the fact that you have to go to pick up

00:20:10.280 medication for any ailment is like wrong. Well, they have delivery now, right? Well, they do.

00:20:15.000 yeah but just sort of the um the original it is an indignity so standing in cvs i recall one time

00:20:20.760 in the east village of manhattan there was a long line and the pharmacist it was one of the most

00:20:25.580 outrageous things i ever saw he was just he's so frustrated he's walter and there's like 10

00:20:29.800 people in line okay he's walter and like you know doing his business back there and he just goes

00:20:33.760 okay he's like okay he keeps making sounds like that like frustrated sounds and then he just goes

00:20:40.240 them. I'm going to freaking kill myself. Is that not outrageous? That's incredible. And you're 0.52

00:20:51.240 getting your well-being. Yeah. That's amazing. No, but I was determined to talk about my foot

00:20:57.300 a little bit today because I need to help as listeners. I really do. OK, yeah, let's do it.

00:21:01.580 Let's do outreach. I was in a comedy club two years ago. I don't know, whatever. And there's

00:21:06.060 a little step in the back of the room I'm waiting to go on stage there's a little you know raised

00:21:10.260 area and then I'm heading to stage and I'm wearing heels you know a chunk heel I mean something you

00:21:16.020 know you'd expect from me with some stability a little something yeah and I walk walk walk it's

00:21:20.780 dark because it's theater and suddenly I'm falling okay oh I've been introduced Jekyll and Novak

00:21:27.280 okay so I'm walking from the back of the club to the front okay and smile on your face yeah

00:21:31.580 and i fall and it's because the rope light that delineated where the step was

00:21:37.640 was out so a rope light is like a strand of you know leds for example inside of a

00:21:44.420 encased within a in rubber or in plastic sheer plastic creating kind of a glow like a sausage

00:21:50.540 yeah a sausage of light and

00:21:52.820 okay sorry so fall hurts head to the stage no one saw so i have to go back to the fall okay so

00:22:03.280 suddenly you're falling in darkness so it's like you know when you don't see a step there's no

00:22:07.180 step and suddenly you so scary okay the feeling of uh i mean there is a step where you don't

00:22:12.160 believe there is one okay and then down you go and it was a like ankle turn in the heel

00:22:17.260 but it wasn't outer ankle and it wasn't exactly inner ankle it was what i then through research

00:22:23.980 and you know i love to look inside the body discovered was likely a navicular accessory

00:22:28.800 which is a slash bony slash cartilage piece that some people like 10 people have on the inside of

00:22:34.520 their foot it's like an extra kind of little bone slash cartilage okay and you can kind of not have

00:22:39.460 problems with it until you do or to an injury where it gets inflamed and then it hurts all the

00:22:43.700 time so i'm sort of limping out of there but i'm thinking like if this were real it's not like it's 0.98

00:22:48.500 a break it's not like it's a fracture i mean do you gasp do you scream do you say fuck like what's 0.67

00:22:52.600 the i'm kind of just stunned because there's the adrenaline of like heading towards the stage and 0.93

00:22:57.180 so yeah i'm sort of stunned i hop back up of course the show must go on keep making my way

00:23:01.960 to the stage and even though no one saw i you know deeply authentic sort of transparent artist

00:23:06.660 yes I immediately told them okay of course I just fell okay you know and um well anyway so

00:23:14.580 I fell it hurt okay I sort of limp out of there I think it's going to get better and then for the

00:23:20.980 last two years you know if I walk for 10 minutes any any extended whatever it starts to hurt and

00:23:28.060 it gets to kind of a point of limping and I did go check it out and they said there's no fracture

00:23:32.860 it's the navicular accessory they told me to get the orthotics that they recommend i hate when you 0.62

00:23:38.580 when you haul ass same thing hauling ass to a place like i go to a doctor that's like unheard 0.85

00:23:44.420 of okay for me yeah and they x-ray it whatever it's just like i'm walking out of there with a 0.95

00:23:50.440 prescription that's not a prescription it's just like them writing down fleet feed in glendale or

00:23:55.520 whatever and a name of some orthotics or whatever yeah or just inserts i go i get them i get some

00:24:00.660 a6 and i find no relief okay so we need a foot doctor i need a foot doctor and i need someone

00:24:06.240 who knows specifically about accessory naviculars and i need someone who i've got someone for you

00:24:11.780 really i've got two people right here top of my head who i mean you don't have to say her name

00:24:16.240 but i guess you do well right well we don't want all the other navicular accessories running out

00:24:20.720 and getting an appointment before me but i suppose we could do it before the episode i've got suzanne

00:24:23.980 tom great physical therapist on the west side deals with the ballet okay works directly with 1.00

00:24:29.760 ballerinas. So she's going to know a lot about feet. She will. No, she'll know because 10 percent

00:24:33.980 of those ballerinas probably have navicular accessories. Exactly. I read something and I 1.00

00:24:38.420 don't feel like researching again because it was a long path to get there. But I read something

00:24:41.760 about like inserting someone getting a shot in their foot of bone meal or whatever, like like

00:24:48.540 bone marrow or something or like or like something or plasma. I forget what the deal was, but like

00:24:53.820 it sounded like radical healing. Obviously, I'm laying it on my red path. I mean, my red light

00:24:58.100 path led panel okay nightly we need to do a huge light path episode well it's become huge for me

00:25:05.300 we've mentioned it previously but now i'm at a twice a day thing and i've been doing yoga in

00:25:09.960 front of it nearly nude okay oh my god why nearly why not just full nude because i don't really need

00:25:17.200 like my like vulva like scraping against my unwashed yoga mat whereas i welcome it daily

00:25:23.060 you do yoga nude or no i was doing it completely naked truly because i was like i don't want to 0.85

00:25:29.920 wear workout clothes and then clean them like that's that's a huge reason i won't work out

00:25:35.080 is the laundry right you know it's another thing you know it's huge by the way because you've

00:25:39.000 talked about the issue of working out and how can anyone work out it takes an entire day right

00:25:44.000 between the showers and the preparations i mean particularly if you're going anywhere but even

00:25:48.120 if you're not one of my quick tips is and this is this is like high level okay most people you know

00:25:54.940 I mean I mean high level meaning desperate okay I guess or whatever you know like you only do this

00:25:59.380 if you're really desperate and it's a little bit of like a depression thing but the only way to get

00:26:03.120 me to work out sort of first thing in the morning is to go to bed in the workout clothes the only

00:26:07.200 way to get me to work out in the morning is to go to bed in the workout clothes you can just roll

00:26:10.560 right out okay I don't want to be in the morning is there any greater hell than pulling a sports

00:26:15.260 bra on over your head but you want to slip oh no hell band or your head is forever trapped

00:26:20.700 wrangled permanently but wait sleeping in tight clothes that's awful well i haven't done this

00:26:27.220 in a while okay particularly because now i'm basically doing the exercise in underwear it's

00:26:31.560 not like i really need that and i've basically also been sleeping in sports bras to try to 0.96

00:26:36.400 protect the skin of the bosom what do you mean to keep your tits from being dragged across the 0.56

00:26:46.160 mattress no from hanging free okay when they hang free at night then gravity is pulling on them 0.68

00:26:52.680 to the skin the whatever so i'm just trying to it's the same as all the other stuff you know

00:26:57.300 like no that's it that's why i won't lie good i wouldn't i wouldn't want you to okay i gotta

00:27:02.500 to support i gotta and and and yeah but anyway so i've been doing it nearly nude blasting under

00:27:08.180 the light i'm very excited about that however you know this is the the only technical trade-off to

00:27:13.480 some and i don't think i love it okay is the red light causes more hair growth okay what now that's

00:27:22.280 a benefit if you want to stick your head in it and get like thicker and whatever and again i'm not

00:27:27.000 stopping to say supposedly i'm not stopping to say allegedly there's no time for that here okay

00:27:32.940 we're talking about the product claims you do your disbelieving on your own time folks

00:27:37.180 but yeah the studies say you know the hair loss whatever it's pretty impressive and i mean

00:27:41.480 literally 3 000 peer-reviewed studies about red light so yeah and i will say i sent the red light

00:27:47.560 stuff over to my uncle who's very conservative yes you know medically no yeah but he's you know

00:27:53.240 very entrenched in western thought i would argue and he at first kind of laughed he's like yeah

00:27:58.860 let me look at this and then he came back the next you know hours later actually this looks

00:28:02.620 pretty good that's what i'm talking about that thrills me that excited me because i was like

00:28:07.080 if jeff's on the case yeah there's something here speaking of jeff dr jeff rocky mountain vet uses

00:28:12.560 a television show i really enjoy and i'm watching on discovery plus yes i subscribe to discovery

00:28:17.120 plus if you can imagine i take all the pluses and um he uses red light in the vet practice and they

00:28:23.040 are not around there they are a also an animal you can't placebo hun yes i mean unless your own

00:28:29.800 prayer is affecting them i guess but right it's hard to say and they're probably very receptive

00:28:34.360 animals are highly receptive to prayer keep in mind that's why double blind placebo is a thing

00:28:40.880 what's double oh double blind if the doctor knows it's the real one versus the not real one that's 0.98

00:28:46.900 affecting me i mean welcome to metaphysics is real welcome to god damn energy and consciousness

00:28:53.060 it is so that is crazy oh no it is broken in to say that it's not double blind where 0.71

00:29:00.660 the doctor from praying it means you know what i mean his consciousness affecting the double

00:29:09.140 blind means that her consciousness that the recipient doesn't know if what they're getting

00:29:14.780 is is the the real medicine or the placebo but that's blind double doesn't know no double blind

00:29:21.380 means more than that because that's the doctor doesn't know if they're giving placebo or the

00:29:25.060 real medicine so now they're handing the sugar pill not knowing and not imbuing the sugar pill

00:29:29.920 with the medicinal properties that's what theta is trying to say isn't what it's about but i believe

00:29:34.940 what i mean is okay that the consciousness if you're deliver a sugar pill knowing it's

00:29:40.640 behind it no it's because they're worried that their unconscious bias will skew them towards

00:29:46.860 logging symptoms or improvements that they associate with the medicine

00:29:51.200 can we let i'll just include my audio i'll include my audio okay okay listen listen listen but i

00:29:59.680 would say that we have discovered nonetheless i'm fascinated by this of like yeah the bestowing of

00:30:04.880 the sugar pill with, with medicinal intention can. Well, I've brought it up a thousand times before.

00:30:11.260 I know I love to say it, but there's, there were studies where even when people know that it's a

00:30:15.760 placebo, it still works. I mean, they even, um, there were like these things they did where I'm

00:30:20.480 going to, I'm going to do my placebo research offline and I'm going to come back hard. Okay.

00:30:25.500 I'm going to come back hard on everybody here. No, but I do believe that the bias in consciousness

00:30:30.920 would have an effect okay i mean i mean yeah you know ever heard of quantum entanglement sorry

00:30:37.240 okay but nothing's separate and by the way i just want to quote my favorite dr fred allen wolf

00:30:42.840 dr quantum who says in the secret as you mentioned earlier i believe it was in the secret maybe it

00:30:47.740 was what the bleep it's a whole other issue but anyway don't even but anyway he just says um

00:30:53.980 this isn't some imaginary craziness yeah i always think about it's a great clip i'll be putting it

00:31:01.780 on the boogin so that's so what's this what's this they're saying for every action there's an

00:31:05.980 equal and opposite reaction wait what you mean basic that's standard physics that's standard

00:31:13.240 physics newtonian physics thermodynamics is that is that still the case here's the thing yes but

00:31:20.860 here's the thing. Here's the thing. Okay. Okay. Here's the thing about, again, I'm speaking from

00:31:25.700 what I think I know. Are you ready? Okay. So Newtonian physics, at least. Oh, I'm getting

00:31:30.680 excited. Yeah. Newtonian physics, you know, the stuff you learned in high school. Actually,

00:31:35.100 did you learn that? I feel like for some reason, I don't recall you learning physics. I'm picturing

00:31:39.860 you at a clay wheel. I don't remember where I was. But you went, did you go to a school that

00:31:47.700 substituted clay for math no do you know what i mean like i wish because like artist parents etc

00:31:54.460 i just you know i went to like a tragically academic school but then i was i could never

00:31:59.180 get above like a guy was like you know it was a big deal i got a c-minus in math it was a huge

00:32:03.780 deal fight tooth and nail to get a c-minus that's so sweet you fighting tooth and nail

00:32:10.920 wait we're gonna go in a second but i want to say about physics i just want to say and i'm

00:32:14.420 gonna find it for a future episode i remember being on an airplane reading about this little

00:32:18.420 physics book and again feeling like the glory of christ enter me it was like a religious experience

00:32:23.320 because i was somehow able to grasp the connection between temperature and time

00:32:26.980 no there's something about the way molecules interact was it about heat up and cool down

00:32:31.160 there's one idea that time is just um heat and entropy like it's a whatever but i wanted to say

00:32:38.900 one thing newtonian physics all right i'm speaking out of whatever okay my own self but

00:32:43.600 my understanding is that newtonian physics works on particles and matter that is on you know that's

00:32:51.280 big it's down when you when you get to the quanta which make up the larger things that newtonian

00:32:57.480 physics no longer applies okay i mean i will come one day with the quantum physics anecdotes that

00:33:04.780 we need to blow minds do a physics episode yes because there's a lot there i want to say because

00:33:10.100 i'm a little distracted but i think i want to bring it into the poog the poog world which is

00:33:13.980 that you know we've been talking a little about about organization right getting rid of things

00:33:17.960 i've been doing that in my home yes how i can be so seduced this is and this is exactly what i'm

00:33:23.000 trying to get past it becomes an urgency in me i need a new lamp now i need a new lamp me too

00:33:27.420 that's also ad i cannot yo there's no time but now there's now and not now there's no it's an

00:33:34.500 urgency right so it's like i'm looking at there's two lamps in my home i hate and they know i hate

00:33:39.440 them now you spoke of one the whole nation knows about about you know the one okay so then i was

00:33:46.300 desperate right i'm looking on online you know i'm like i'm not spending 400 on a lamp you know

00:33:50.900 go go to hell so i'm finding on you know an offer up that website and by the way i felt panic when 0.52

00:33:55.900 you joined offer up okay because i knew another shopper's gonna come in okay i'm like jesus i got 0.95

00:34:00.160 more competition because i already have one friend okay we got to go soon but go i mean so i bought

00:34:04.880 a couple chairs and offer up i'm thrilled but i bought yeah so so i'll show you they're gorgeous

00:34:10.160 chairs they're gorgeous furious i don't even want to know okay i'll send you a pic later but listen

00:34:16.000 the lamp is the issue here a floor lamp okay there's a floor lamp it's on it's posted it's

00:34:22.420 50 the woman's telling me it's in mint condition it's kind of a bamboo rattan thing i leap i buy

00:34:30.000 it and i go condition all right i buy it the next day i drive to a part of los angeles that's like

00:34:36.520 down by the railroad track like it's like an actual railroad there's like cargo being loaded 0.90

00:34:43.280 onto a fucking train and i'm there with my mazda my boyfriend brings it out loaded into the back 0.97

00:34:50.080 take it home i go did i just buy a hideous object i plug it in i can't tell so then of course i 0.98

00:34:59.420 push it on to my mother right i send her a picture i send you i send external and funny you know

00:35:06.780 that you didn't get the pic i didn't get one who did john early john got it but listen listen listen

00:35:12.980 listen listen listen i decided i decided you know i'm gonna do decide for myself i'm not gonna farm

00:35:17.940 it out to everyone but by the way here i am i'm gonna post it on poog instagram and have people

00:35:21.740 tell me if it's if it's a toss or a cape don't give them that power kate do not we have to go

00:35:27.640 I want to.

00:35:28.880 She will do it.

00:35:29.920 Believe us.

00:35:30.540 It's going on.

00:35:31.480 I'm going to put it on the Poog Instagram and the listeners will decide if it stays or if it goes.

00:35:36.780 I have to tell you, lately, I'm leaning stay.

00:35:39.820 I'm leaning stay, too.

00:35:40.720 It's a bold choice, though.

00:35:41.700 When you see it, you're going to scream.

00:35:43.040 OK, I don't know.

00:35:44.360 You should see some of the things I've purchased.

00:35:46.320 Now, I also want to just be really clear before we leave.

00:35:48.920 Yeah.

00:35:49.480 I just want to be really clear.

00:35:50.480 I've noticed that sometimes, you know, we're having a conversation about lamps on here and everyone on the Poogans, they come flying.

00:35:56.360 Oh, Kate, I got a lamp for you.

00:35:57.640 i need lamps too people just because i'm just because i'm letting kate speak about the lamp

00:36:02.540 you know don't don't miss oh kate wants this i actually want to say a poog listener found me a

00:36:07.240 coffee table someone the one listener russet one sure let's give them an ad they didn't give me a

00:36:12.860 free one sweetie in fact i bought it dm'd them directly said oh i've been looking for a coffee

00:36:18.940 table via my podcast and they were like oh great see and i was like and then i didn't have the

00:36:23.820 strength to go how about you give it to me for free and then we cut a deal doll you reached out

00:36:27.440 didn't say shit about me when i'm the one who brought up coffee table search for the last seven 0.62

00:36:33.380 years they weren't gonna give me the coffee table if they had if they had suggested oh we're gonna 0.88

00:36:38.440 give you a coffee table of course wasn't in the plan okay you need to include me before don't

00:36:42.760 let them accept give it to you and then add me once they got you because then it makes it hard

00:36:48.340 on them we got to go i just want to say the ads that we don't produce so so if you complain about

00:36:52.420 the hot mics i just want to say about this lamp in a certain context this lamp could look like a

00:36:57.120 $1,200 lamp. Of course. It could make it could bring someone to their knees. The more hideous

00:37:00.580 the more expensive it probably is. And in another context this looks like what it is I mean $50

00:37:04.820 but it looks like a pier one import like horrifying spa lamp that you go and you get a

00:37:11.460 staph infection you know getting something done. Is anyone getting staph infections anymore? All

00:37:16.180 right let's go to the break and then we'll talk about it. I got a staph infection as a teenager.

00:37:19.260 Okay. Is anyone getting staph infections anymore?

00:37:27.120 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:37:31.960 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:37:37.140 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:37:41.180 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:37:42.500 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:37:46.140 No, I am not your guru.

00:37:49.920 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:37:52.540 I lied to police.

00:37:53.800 I lied to everybody.

00:37:54.580 There were years, writer, where I could not say your name.

00:37:57.820 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:38:00.460 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:38:03.260 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:38:06.620 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:38:09.540 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:38:11.220 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:38:14.140 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:38:17.200 Boom, boom. 0.97

00:38:18.480 This is The Red Weather.

00:38:21.500 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app,

00:38:23.960 apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts do you shower in public um places without flip

00:38:36.680 flops you know a gym etc i have done that yeah something about the flip flop is grosser yeah

00:38:42.460 the flip flops just for me running across the top of your flip flop is like a little like weird

00:38:47.040 right yes i can't believe there was a time that i i'm sorry this i'm just flashing back to a dorm

00:38:55.460 i had where there were two coffin apologize take me into the coffin size showers you know the

00:39:00.580 coffin where they're upright and it was a co-ed dorm one bathroom on the floor with a plastic 0.89

00:39:06.140 shower curtain that would stick to your body because we open window co-ed bathroom co-ed and

00:39:10.920 me horrified how did I ever like imagine me 18 years old going into the bathroom a little baby

00:39:17.960 walking towel and flip-flops down the hall is a classic sort of collegiate thing Kate

00:39:24.660 did that I think everyone would assume that you like this is the first thing that came to mind

00:39:29.960 no I was gonna bring up the shower caddy shower caddy is the most like family feud like number

00:39:36.160 one like what do you need to get to go to college yeah like what's the typical shower caddy one

00:39:41.680 okay two i mean twin actually one would probably be twin extra long sheets to an extra long yeah

00:39:48.040 anyway so yeah yeah the um people like decorating their college dorms like

00:39:53.460 do you ever see like i don't even at target or something right target always features this like

00:39:58.740 back to school time where they've got these where they got the stuff for the dorm and it's like you

00:40:03.500 know it's like a purple bulletin board okay and they're like i'm like a cube storage ottoman or

00:40:08.540 whatever i always think like they're gonna be cheaper because they're like for teens or whatever

00:40:11.760 and then the price is still is still full on but like i don't know it's like pottery barn for kids

00:40:16.500 you can go into the kids section and get like well that's the classic i always think i'm gonna get i'm

00:40:20.340 gonna get the couch that's supposed to be in the bonus room are you familiar with this concept no

00:40:24.920 you would be if you watched love it or list it and other uh house related shows like that if

00:40:30.520 there's a room like without a window oh no without egress they can't call it a bedroom

00:40:34.660 what's that a way to safely exit egress egress egress anyway bonus rooms couches so they're

00:40:42.940 called bonus rooms code wise they're not allowed to call them a bedroom okay and so they're and

00:40:47.540 i just i'm tired of these people they're always like and we want a bonus room and i just like

00:40:51.660 find the term bonus room disgusting deeply uninspiring yeah like repulsive like bonus i

00:40:58.380 actually find the word bonus pretty disgusting and i think i know why i think i know why we know 0.99

00:41:05.340 why i mean we know why right sure but aside from the combination of boner and penis thank you 0.98

00:41:10.600 theta that's the literal answer but not penis no yeah i merely heard the paradox of the 0.99

00:41:17.800 simultaneity well i heard penis first and then thought penis bow okay we got something here 0.99

00:41:23.160 boner um i don't you know what i don't like about words that go bow okay okay there's sort of a 0.99

00:41:28.560 there's sort of a an arcing there's kind of an arcing of bow okay it's like like what else

00:41:34.080 well boat no i don't mind that because the roundness closes at the end it closes around

00:41:40.120 okay it's like the boy it's like i mean it's really just like bonus bonus bonus i mean i

00:41:46.560 don't mind beau regard beau beau biden or whatever wait wait wait beau biden might have to go don't

00:41:55.020 go there is beau the famous is beau do you know who beau biden is beau is the one who died of a

00:42:00.580 brain tumor jacqueline no no the reason who was like it was like who was like oh my god i have a

00:42:05.640 quick beau biden anecdote which is that my i remember texting with my mom when beau uh what's 0.60

00:42:12.900 his fucking name joe biden was was announcing that he was gonna run for president and i was like 0.94

00:42:18.620 just what we need and then my mom was like his son said run dad oh right you know and then died 0.99

00:42:26.900 and that was enough for my mom run dad to secure the vote no right just that family story dad run

00:42:32.660 i want to say that greg whiteley one of the finest documentarians of our time

00:42:37.280 mitt the documentary on mitt romney everyone should check out it here folks wait oh but the

00:42:44.440 no the reason i said the bow oh yeah bow no so i don't mind bow alone it's just like

00:42:49.320 bonus um it's like it's like really disgusting but think of can you just give me one other word

00:42:54.580 other than bonus hearing you repeat it back perfectly perfectly okay can you just give me

00:43:04.800 one other way other than bonus um let me try to think because like i think it might just be the 0.98

00:43:12.480 the boner penis of it that got me and so and so then i'm sort of i mean it's rosebender name you 0.95

00:43:17.620 know it's a classic question for me okay whether the meaning is influencing my experience of the 0.99

00:43:22.920 sound or the sound always do you ever okay i actually never mind this is too i was about to

00:43:29.100 just truly be like languages are like oh oh okay who was it okay hang on hang on so it's gonna be

00:43:34.420 worth it i swear to god shine who was it that called like the invention of like the what's the

00:43:38.700 alphabet that we use called oh the um don't say don't say it theta i know you know okay our producer

00:43:44.900 theta but i want to i want to like pull it i want to pull it okay don't say it kate when you get it

00:43:48.980 don't say it this is better not be another wolf jackman okay don't say it no no i'm not gonna say

00:43:54.160 it i've heard that before i've heard that before all right hold on uh not like the word that's

00:43:59.660 popping in mind is roman numerals okay okay and it's not the cyrillic alphabet for example it's

00:44:05.820 the not the roman alphabet not the greco grecian i've got it and you didn't say it i'm not saying

00:44:13.500 it congrats all right give me the first letter oh wait i lost it again oh you had it in your head

00:44:19.120 yeah were you about to say alphanumeric because no sweetie because that doesn't mean anything

00:44:25.940 and it just was gonna fly into my head it sounds like it sounds like a latin word i think wait 0.64

00:44:30.100 okay so it's not in the fuck roman no i'm stuck on roman i'm sorry who cares who cares i mean 0.93

00:44:37.280 there's listeners who know and they're and they're screaming and i actually like to give that a lot 0.92

00:44:40.960 of people care but listen theta just suggested it might be phoenician but that that yeah if it is

00:44:45.700 that damn okay so but listen all i'm gonna say and again i i have just like a fragment of

00:44:53.020 information here as usual but I think it was Marshall McLuhan who talks about the media is 0.98

00:44:58.340 the message sorry ABCD yeah that guy he talks about that being like the single most like violent

00:45:04.840 and upsetting thing that was ever created because of the way it limited thought right I mean which

00:45:12.600 is classic right like language limits thought right yes language creates and confines experience

00:45:17.080 blah blah blah but that idea of the alphabet as being as being a violence upon the mind no no

00:45:23.520 because it because it's you can't make words without the alphabet right so the the alphabet

00:45:27.240 is almost the knives the alphabet is the initial knife cutting up you know amorphous experience

00:45:33.260 but also you can't perceive without language and this is once again we arrive at you know the

00:45:38.100 paradox of living uh you must trade you know the transcendent in favor of the lesser divided and

00:45:46.360 And, you know, we must find beauty there.

00:45:48.020 And that's why we look for beauty in language, don't we, Kate?

00:45:50.880 Yeah, well, we have to or else what the hell else are we going to do?

00:45:54.480 Just like be a body.

00:45:55.720 I mean, that's, I guess, the answer is to be a body rolling in the street.

00:46:00.500 To me, language and body are the same thing.

00:46:03.060 They limit the transcendent.

00:46:04.640 That's like the only that's like my primary confined experience.

00:46:08.400 Yes, that is the primary metaphor for me is that language and the body are the same.

00:46:11.980 Okay, so the bonus room.

00:46:14.340 and also i believe it's brooms because i i was walking by i was on a walk and i was looking at

00:46:21.000 houses you know just on on my walk as i often do dreaming of the lives within you know wishing i

00:46:27.440 could do a house tour oh yeah what would my life be like if i lived there you know that's why i

00:46:32.920 want to astral project primary reason for astral projecting i want to soar through the homes near

00:46:37.120 me absolutely bodily list absolutely john early and i actually have to say once had an absolutely

00:46:42.700 transcendent experience where i will say we were coming down off mushrooms but they were still

00:46:46.840 kind of in us going on a gorgeous walk constantly you know oogling at homes oh wow you know and it

00:46:53.460 happened we actually were able to secure a home tour we were we were looking at a house going

00:46:57.940 your house is gorgeous yelling it out we asked for a home tour and she said yes and she took us

00:47:03.720 into her home and we got a full home tour shock it was heaven it was absolutely transcendent were

00:47:10.820 there any moments where you're like they've they've nabbed us this is a trick serial killer

00:47:14.620 absolutely not i'm shocked from you no it was it was heaven no fear no it was two women who

00:47:20.080 lived together for 462 years and they were amazing their backyard everything i believe john went back

00:47:26.620 for a cocktail weeks later i was out of town and in fact i say believe but i know for a fact that

00:47:31.680 he did but it was right no home tours are the primary reason to be alive and i want them

00:47:40.340 constantly oh but i was thinking i was walking around looking at the homes that i was describing

00:47:44.640 i was like i don't like houses are broken up into little spaces right but i'm like that's what a

00:47:49.920 house is i don't want just the pure open floor plan or do i no well i was gonna say that's the

00:47:56.080 other thing on love it or list it is is they all i mean it's like a joke but they all want a quote

00:48:00.220 open concept kitchen literally they all do okay um literally every single homeowner wants an open

00:48:06.460 concept kitchen okay and it's like it's like let me get i mean it's not even letting let it get

00:48:11.120 me and chris watch it together we don't even look at each other won't save your marriage hon

00:48:14.380 won't save it they want to keep an eye on the kids while they're cooking or whatever it's just like

00:48:18.660 i don't know it's a humiliation it's a humiliation like they see it on the show they want it for

00:48:23.820 themselves keeping up with the joneses it's um but so an open concept kitchen to be clear okay

00:48:30.740 is when the kitchen kind of just flows right into the living room or the family room or the whatever

00:48:35.760 it's not like there's not like a little door into the kitchen and now you're in this room

00:48:41.320 okay there is no door death before doors yeah and and and i mean i live in the most un-open

00:48:48.320 concept kitchen situation right now and i love it i love it i'm hoping it comes back closed off

00:48:53.520 little kitchen some said it won't but you and they're furiously whipping eggs into a frenzy

00:48:58.580 like there's something about that privacy of the of the kitchen um they kind of well do you remember

00:49:03.680 um the old ad the motif of women pulling other women into the kitchen oh no it wasn't huge for

00:49:08.400 me wait what wait what was simultaneous monologues what if what if food was simultaneous talk okay

00:49:18.260 where we both talk and are saying our own ideas they're crossed and then you separately download

00:49:23.120 the individual tracks and it's a three-parter um including the crosstalk version you know

00:49:28.860 but i love the crosstalk version that's the only one i listen to okay is crosstalk by name of like

00:49:33.220 a fox like news what's crosstalk they're like tonight at nine no no totally totally um cross

00:49:40.520 fire cross fire right and then hardball because i remember there was a parody cross balls um

00:49:47.220 so so i love satire my favorite thing is i love satirical works oh and parody parody

00:49:57.980 this is a character i love satire and parody you know about you know people always break in

00:50:03.240 you know people who always are bringing up parody law which is that if it's a parody it's not

00:50:09.620 copyright infringement something like that yeah exactly it's protected by the law so if you were

00:50:14.140 like free speech give me the beat boys to free my soul okay you're parodying that song and that's

00:50:22.500 so if you're if your cover has a rude if your cover of a song has a rude sarcastic voice weird

00:50:30.060 owls canon oh canon of that of that principle yeah my god all right oh i am my heart is pounding

00:50:36.920 from the laughter you know i just i can't tell you i feel nerves in my stomach knowing you're

00:50:42.140 on offer up it's not a competition listen well quite literally by the way i sent you a set of

00:50:47.780 drawers for those listening offer up is a by the way high offer up i guess i guess there's not even

00:50:53.300 a discount to be no they can they can do nothing for us yeah they can do nothing oh no but i'm

00:50:57.320 gonna have to make sure my identity is covered on there oh i know i was on it for like three days

00:51:01.620 with my full name and by the way if anyone has any loose trellises they're looking to get rid of

00:51:07.280 what's a trellis and i'm not afraid to ask as you shouldn't be um i had to say that to cover

00:51:12.980 up the shame that was radiating through my system it's like you know like lattice okay a trellis

00:51:18.180 like that uh the vine can crawl up it's like um you know vertical lines intersecting with 1.00

00:51:23.400 horizontal lines oh my god guess who needs a trellis let the trellis games begin bitch because 0.96

00:51:28.020 i need a trellis too expensive i need a something i can stick um you know it's a it's an entire it's 0.99

00:51:35.520 an entire thing and ivy creeping across a trellis is one of the most poetic indications of time

00:51:41.580 wow all right we'll wrap it up right there see you next week okay unfortunately kate for once

00:51:50.580 we're not done this really episode is is chaos is extra chaotic i just well well you know what

00:51:57.140 though it is it's joy okay and i've never liked um you know joy is not something i've generally

00:52:03.320 sought out joy is not a crumb a crumb everyone discovered mary oliver during pandemic i just

00:52:10.860 want to say i feel like people came no i know i know i know i mean she's a great poet no and

00:52:16.800 and the you know beloved to be beloved creates you know backlash yeah of course i mean we need

00:52:23.060 i'm sorry i've fallen no but i just i just i feel like there's something i really wanted a hat let

00:52:28.080 me just look at my look at my little note for a second what does that say sorry i just got

00:52:32.500 nauseous oh fluorescent i wrote down oh so two words i've been enjoying 0.84

00:52:37.580 it's simply and there's a fuck wait i heard another one because there's fluorescent light 0.93

00:52:43.140 oh and candescent light okay are you ready the verb fluoresce oh oh that's a verb didn't know 0.95

00:52:51.040 gorge right and then candace i think might also be one oh and then i had a huge realization

00:52:56.880 about 15 years ago that i've been meaning to mention which is yeah sit around think about

00:53:02.120 the word organization because you are doing a lot of organizing right now yeah the fact that it's

00:53:07.200 organs whoa okay to organize something oh i never thought okay is to like i guess divide into

00:53:17.560 discrete containers by the way don't you love saying referring to something as discrete

00:53:22.320 it's discrete to mean its own specific and separate discrete longing

00:53:26.600 i mean it's always gonna be a little bit of word

00:53:31.280 i just hated what i was saying so much i hated what i was saying so much that my only option

00:53:39.180 was to scream it well guess what i'm gonna do folks i don't know how to summarize the last

00:53:45.320 15 minutes but i'm gonna puree a soup in mere minutes okay and i what am i gonna be making

00:53:50.040 today well listen to this oh i have a big request okay i'll do it okay what my you know palmini

00:53:56.240 aka palmini aka the hell is what are you saying yes i'm saying aka why am i doing this i know i

00:54:02.040 said aka earlier and instantly hated myself aka um wait you know it'd be huge i mean it wouldn't

00:54:10.700 be it'd be absolutely obnoxious but if i started saying okay as in otherwise known as

00:54:15.460 just like okay and they were like they were like it's aka and i'm like yeah also known as

00:54:22.800 would be aka very otherwise known as owka all right all right all right all right i'm just

00:54:29.320 i'm soaring i'm excited to see you uh i've been taking bite me shot what that someone sent us

00:54:35.400 bite me apple cider vinegar shot every day before i eat to re-acidify the gut microbiome

00:54:43.660 amazing okay i've been popping it yeah and it's i'm letting a little sugar in because there's

00:54:48.480 honey in it because i read you know about the benefits of honey i finally might come around to

00:54:52.480 like you know a very very localized honey um discreet you need honey within 20 mile radius

00:54:59.380 of your home oh well that's what they say we have to wrap up but this is the concept that

00:55:03.980 must come from the bees that are the pollen that you live around i'm making it up that it's 20

00:55:08.220 miles but the idea is that you ingest the bee pollen that is localized to where you live and

00:55:12.740 that that will help with allergies and whatnot wow okay i used to ingest a lot of bee pollen

00:55:18.340 what a couple years ago i was really on the stuff because they sold it at my local farmer's market

00:55:23.220 and i loved the poetry of a spoonful of bee pollen and i'm scared of bees and i felt like somehow i

00:55:29.100 was yeah you were taking it into taking it into yourself like a youngian thing if you see that if

00:55:35.100 you see it in the dream you must eat the bee yeah and then the bee will turn into a flower or

00:55:39.520 whatever oh my god you remember your dream she remember her dream right when we're trying to

00:55:43.160 wrap up right when something's coming up in my dream it was all about kissing a bee what i just

00:55:50.980 said that i was having i know i was having this image i was having this image last night of like

00:55:55.240 kissing a bee as softly as i could this is huge i have to write down in my dream i can't believe

00:55:59.740 you're saying that because well what no no no i i it would launch into some primary dream and i

00:56:06.080 I could like feel the bee's wings on my lips.

00:56:08.000 It was huge.

00:56:08.580 Okay.

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00:56:18.080 Listeners, look out for the lamp on the Poog Instagram. 0.60

00:56:20.260 You're going to really want to see this thing.

00:56:21.580 Yes.

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