Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Fear of the Reformer

00:00:00.820 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant. I'm Jacqueline Novak. And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation

00:00:05.780 about wellness between two obsessive friends, two untamable intellects. This is our hobby.

00:00:10.780 This is our hell. This is our naked desire for free products. This is POOG. Today's topics,

00:00:16.140 loosely speaking, robe dinner, dojo, chili tonight.

00:00:24.780 There's a lot to talk about. First of all, something that, and then people are going

00:00:28.080 to roll their eyes are going to go oh no or i don't know what they're going to do but i was uh

00:00:33.720 i saw a hag yesterday devoted hag really who's listened to every episode from the whole time 0.95

00:00:38.680 and he was like when you guys are going to talk about sex peptides oh okay yeah but because i have 0.94

00:00:45.620 no knowledge well no one does really but here's the thing i'm and i'm so scared just a little

00:00:53.000 support during the day i got this shirt in the fifth grade my friend went and lived in paris for

00:00:58.520 a year laura i remember this yeah gave me that it's so cute i know particularly how's your arm

00:01:03.960 threaded through oh it's um dripped i get it i get it but peptides listen yeah actually there's

00:01:10.020 nothing to talk about we're not talking about i think what the only thing to talk about right

00:01:13.340 because there's the fact that people are on them and yeah and that people are juiced and i've gone 0.58

00:01:19.520 solanque no i don't know what that is and i don't know what the fuck is that but i know because

00:01:23.780 what a word you've never heard before there's the peptide world there's like the glp1 like 0.77

00:01:28.340 weight loss stuff but then there's and the stuff that here's the stuff that i'm really

00:01:31.160 getting horny thinking about cognitive function well have you started gray matter sweetie no 0.98

00:01:38.160 fuck you're on it yeah how is it are you feeling it i mean i have produced like six videos for me 0.99

00:01:43.240 chris's accounts that's huge uh i mean you gotta ask ask is that is that a flow state where i'm 1.00

00:01:50.140 getting the videos out yeah that's pretty good um me wildly editing on my stomach um okay i'm

00:01:57.100 gonna start monday um but but the peptides thing but here's the thing because it's so scary that

00:02:04.800 they're you know unregulated a lot of times whatever you order them you're like what is

00:02:08.600 this or something and then there's like the white glove peptide service but i had a friend who was

00:02:12.500 doing white glove and i'm sorry i've had people be like these are causing strokes or like people

00:02:17.860 who are completely healthy or like experiencing like serious issues here's a question what is

00:02:22.320 a peptide you see what i'm saying yeah i know because i'm pretty sure like that's a um like

00:02:26.900 type of molecule right yeah like it's a protein molecule or something yeah yeah no but i just

00:02:32.000 mean like like a peptide like a like an amino sorry i completely forgot to bring my migraine

00:02:37.600 medication i was gonna do my shot on air oh right you'll have to do it on air later i guess

00:02:43.020 live i have to do it today though i'll video it and give it to the subscribers um so you know like

00:02:48.560 i would like to look up like peptide is not a brand name is what i'm saying it's a it's a class

00:02:53.820 of yes molecules is a collection of no a molecule like a single molecule of a

00:03:01.360 element right like you know what am i you know what i'm saying like if you have nacl right

00:03:07.240 I don't know what the hell are you talking about, sweetie?

00:03:09.220 Do you know at the periodic table? 0.74

00:03:10.660 I know breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

00:03:14.280 I know gold is AU.

00:03:15.900 That's all I remember.

00:03:16.560 Really?

00:03:17.120 Yeah.

00:03:17.960 That really, I don't know why that one never stuck with me.

00:03:20.160 That one stuck with me because it's so odd.

00:03:21.680 Yeah.

00:03:22.140 But here's the thing.

00:03:23.040 I know myself too well. 0.98

00:03:24.520 I'm intrigued by the peptides, but I can't do it because I'm too fucking hypochondriacal.

00:03:28.240 I'm texting you about, I'm self, I was at a dinner the other night and I was self-administering

00:03:32.700 a stroke test privately.

00:03:33.840 I'm just I'm just stimming on because one of my favorite things is is words that do that like 0.98

00:03:38.560 hypochondriacal okay yeah where you throw the the accent sounds great moves fucking rocks my

00:03:44.340 number one favorites adjectival I know I bring it up every six months okay yeah adjective adjectival 0.81

00:03:49.680 yeah yeah it's the adjectival form of the word adjective huh adjective is a noun right you want

00:03:56.360 to describe something as being used in an adjectival yeah capacity yeah wow which is

00:04:01.860 It's the adjective version of noun.

00:04:03.840 I mean, it's the adjective version of noun adjective.

00:04:06.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

00:04:07.360 That's cool.

00:04:07.720 That could lift you gooning to the top, okay?

00:04:11.520 No, but listen, the peptides, I'm curious what, listen, I'm sure people are, and they

00:04:17.960 do great things for people.

00:04:19.440 I'm not here to stigmatize.

00:04:20.960 I'm not here to lift up, but I'm just curious.

00:04:25.620 And people are doing it for skin.

00:04:27.920 I mean, one of the hardest things.

00:04:29.280 I got sent this guy's menu.

00:04:30.220 It's like wrinkle reduction.

00:04:31.860 menu yeah menu of interiors menu of what he offers and you buy them I'm gonna get juiced

00:04:39.780 you mean you're gonna get muscular juiced yeah but here's the thing I feel like I can get oh

00:04:44.920 yeah I guess what I just mean is getting shredded yeah you can do that at your house yeah then

00:04:49.980 that's that's what I'm gonna do I did a classic thing where I equinox wait and just for those

00:04:53.440 who don't know this story oh yeah classic I about I mean this is when I my early 20s I can't remember

00:04:58.560 of the story but i remember being having an absurd headline to it like i okay so no no yeah so i

00:05:04.460 joined equinox i was going to soho new york city equinox in my am i like when i was like 24 shocking

00:05:10.460 right juliana margolis that's how you say her name um margolis margolis i don't know not sure

00:05:18.080 sorry it's so sad she's like a freak zionist but yeah um that doesn't mean that someone's not famous

00:05:23.860 just because you mispronounce their names. 0.99

00:05:25.600 I mispronounce many famous people's names.

00:05:28.120 Just not taking anyone's fame away.

00:05:30.340 But I used to go to Equinox, Soho, really fancy, unbelievable.

00:05:34.680 The thing about Equinox, they lock you in at 12 months.

00:05:37.740 You sign up, you have to sign up for the full year.

00:05:40.280 That's their whole thing, right?

00:05:42.020 So I go for about three months and I go, I'm good.

00:05:44.300 This is not part of my life.

00:05:45.320 I can't absorb this.

00:05:46.360 Oh, right.

00:05:46.760 You lied and said that.

00:05:47.780 Well, I was like, I need to leave.

00:05:49.640 And then they were like, well, you need a doctor's note.

00:05:52.320 And I go, no.

00:05:53.380 and they're like, okay, well, the only way that we allow you to break is if you prove

00:05:57.220 that you're moving somewhere where there isn't an equinox within a certain mile radius.

00:06:03.060 And I was like, well, I'm going to live at sea. And I told them I was going to live at sea.

00:06:08.780 And they were like, what do you mean? We need an employer. I was like, no, I'm just going. It's

00:06:14.280 not a job. And they couldn't prove it. And I wore them down and I got out of the contract.

00:06:21.220 and then the other day same thing like a business right like a business like saying like fundamentally

00:06:27.320 like like no we're gonna charge you like you're not the government it's not the law right like

00:06:31.620 so it's really weird and i do feel like that's a little bit more like old school but it is weird 0.99

00:06:36.400 that it's like like businesses being like we had a contract it's like fuck off like but i hate you 0.78

00:06:43.960 why do you want that yeah yeah yeah it's um i've been really getting in here oh my god i know i 0.99

00:06:50.580 refuse to be careful you wouldn't believe the things i was doing my neck last night

00:06:53.160 and if that's how i go that's how i go okay okay fair i mean but wait but the other day i was like

00:06:59.500 okay do i because i never going to the gym it's just never stuck whatever and then i look up

00:07:05.080 equinox there's an equinox glendale and i'm like my friend's been going and i go that's actually

00:07:09.820 close to me it's like it's not a far drive i do the whole thing i did the mate the mistake where

00:07:14.580 i sent them i go here's my email he's like the tech start rolling the next day yeah you're gonna

00:07:19.040 come in you're gonna come in i'm gonna come in and then i slowly realized i'm not doing that

00:07:22.960 because it's like they lock you in it's expensive whatever the point is home workout home uh weights

00:07:32.900 i mean yeah you know i mean but you also were telling me two days ago that you need to go

00:07:37.000 i need to go somewhere i know i was just saying that i know which is true and so i'm just going

00:07:41.900 i think it's both i think it's both i think i i think it's not that it can't be done yeah right

00:07:46.440 It's hard. I mean, like I got into it, although it was COVID. But that's how I launched the

00:07:52.700 practice. When you do have your own home practice, you do feel like a god and a king. Okay. Because

00:08:01.040 you're like, I'm a monk, right? Yeah. You're like, you roll off your mat and I'm calling your bed,

00:08:07.260 your mat. Okay. Onto the other mat. And you're like, you really, you know, you feel I'm, I'm the

00:08:13.720 choosing to do this i'm not using social pressure of like i showed up i better right yeah and so

00:08:20.040 you you do feel an extreme sense of self you know wanting to do something choosing to do it and

00:08:26.820 doing it and when it becomes a routine and you start to i mean the the pride the whole thing

00:08:32.840 where you fight where you go oh my god i'm one of those people that's like yeah i just i feel off

00:08:38.140 if i don't you're like oh my god i'm one of them well i've always dreamed of being like finally

00:08:42.680 taken i've done the monologue out loud to myself good work of being like being like you know it's

00:08:48.460 just keeps me sane yeah yeah yeah about working out like like it's a non-negotiable for me at

00:08:56.040 this point i just know well you know i you know if i could somehow be penalized um more directly

00:09:02.840 you know if i could well it's interesting because it's like the withdrawal is there

00:09:10.280 So I'm like, if only it were like one of my meds that, you know, I live in fear of, oops, I missed it.

00:09:17.260 Oh, I'm running out.

00:09:18.780 No, it's the lifelong struggle for all of us.

00:09:21.520 It's just, I mean, I, you know, when I'm in it, I'm like, oh my God.

00:09:26.200 I literally am like, I'll never again.

00:09:27.680 It's spiritual.

00:09:28.280 No, I know.

00:09:28.740 I'll never again not live like this.

00:09:30.480 No, no, no.

00:09:30.960 I know.

00:09:31.640 I know it's so well.

00:09:32.880 I know it's so well.

00:09:33.980 It's just imagining a mechanical solution.

00:09:36.100 OK, like a gigantic sort of like, you know, like a kind of one of those construction things that moves dirt, you know, lifts me out of bed and deposits me into and also starts moving me.

00:09:49.040 And then and then it starts to be like a machine that I'll die inside of if I don't if I don't keep up kind of like a treadmill.

00:09:54.800 Right. Right. It's like you're on a treadmill, but you can't get off.

00:09:57.160 Yeah. And so no, I mean, like you're strapped to it and you'll die.

00:10:00.200 Oh, if you don't run. Yeah. I just mean to get started.

00:10:04.460 just to get started yeah then you feel a sweat and you go i chose this well this morning i did

00:10:08.800 the impossible healthy concept sometimes the mind goes there trying to be inventive yeah sorry to

00:10:13.600 interrupt you but i just i want to point this out because you know i felt this like sudden

00:10:16.820 self-consciousness of like someone you know you know because because like i guess you know people

00:10:21.360 go on the internet to misunderstand people it seems okay um but it's like it's like you know

00:10:28.220 i go oh it wouldn't be great if there was a machine that right and i find myself to being

00:10:31.740 strapped to a treadmill sounds like a good idea i'd like that right yeah and then and then you

00:10:36.040 just imagine like a clip like jacqueline novak says okay not that anyone's quoting me who cares 0.88

00:10:41.260 you know what i mean yeah right and it's like bitch i'm thinking live of course i'm thinking 0.89

00:10:46.420 live it's not a novel yeah yeah yeah i'm in the mood to um i'm in the mood to be rageful and free 0.99

00:10:53.700 guess what i uh ordered some some supplements i was really excited about

00:10:58.720 oh okay life extension or whatever okay it's kind of a cheesy name i don't take anything right now

00:11:04.640 i'm on literally zero i mean if you're gonna start with something to test it out i'm sorry

00:11:09.120 but gray matter okay cacao in your coffee okay by the way shark ninja you've been very good to us

00:11:14.300 and i want to say the stain thing rules i haven't used it i just completely revitalized my couch

00:11:20.140 we had two huge circular stains okay on one on one couch yeah okay then there was another one

00:11:25.800 on the burrow and I went in there and now that I understand it wet cleaning here's the thing about

00:11:31.420 the cleaning okay because I was thinking it was gonna be more calm I thought it was doing something

00:11:34.880 like shooting water out and sucking it right back up in this thing and I'm like I thought too and so

00:11:38.720 I was trying to add clean water to it no this helps make it seem less confusing and it comes

00:11:45.000 with a spray you're wetting the stain essentially and you're vacuuming out the wetness of the

00:11:52.020 dirtiness. Okay. So even if you run out of the spray, you could do some soapy water. Okay. It's

00:11:57.300 like vacuuming. It's like, you know how you pat, pat, pat on a stain and then do it again. Wet it,

00:12:02.840 pat, pat, pat. You're pulling the water out. I've heard of women doing this in the fifties. I've

00:12:06.600 never had. I did it once staying at someone's house when I bled on the piano. Me too. On the

00:12:12.660 piano? Piano bench? Piano bench cushion. Fuck. Yeah. I bled on my friend's bed when I was 16

00:12:19.960 on a sleepover without waking her spot treated the like rose at dawn rose at dawn i have such a

00:12:27.700 maybe i was 15 and being like huh going to the kitchen finding cleaning products spot treating

00:12:33.640 and you didn't feel like you could go to the mother no isn't that interesting i was too ashamed

00:12:38.160 me spot treating at dawn no no 15 yeah no me on my knees okay and then other times i remember my

00:12:47.020 friend like the it's actually amazing that women aren't walking around with blood just dripping

00:12:53.280 out like because it really is true like you really have to maintain like the fact that it just you're 0.76

00:12:57.880 not constantly seeing blood running down people's pant legs you're lucky you're not seeing it right

00:13:02.520 now it's unbelievable well sometimes i have the panic of like like like the relief of being on a

00:13:06.940 hard chair yeah like do you don't you feel a little panic every time you sit down on a

00:13:11.740 A cloth couch?

00:13:12.440 I'm always like, of course.

00:13:14.420 I don't.

00:13:15.100 It's so scary.

00:13:16.120 Blood red, brown couches.

00:13:17.660 And people say it, but it's true.

00:13:18.980 It's like, if men had periods, like, there'd be blood everywhere. 0.89

00:13:22.360 But like, it's true. 1.00

00:13:23.240 Well, yesterday, yesterday, I was like doing this thing where I was like, you know, saying

00:13:28.200 to Chris, I was like, I like cramps.

00:13:29.980 And I'm like, I need you to understand, like, cramps.

00:13:32.200 It sounds kind of like, like, it sounds mild.

00:13:34.940 Right, right.

00:13:35.540 And I go, and I was like, I was like, I almost wanted to bring up a video.

00:13:38.920 Okay.

00:13:39.600 Of what it is?

00:13:40.360 Yeah.

00:13:40.600 because like you know you see i'm like do you get really bad cramps i don't really know it varies

00:13:44.980 yeah but i was trying to think there was something that maybe made a difference whatever but but i'm

00:13:50.160 like the uterus is wringing itself out okay like it's it's okay it's it's spasming to to release

00:13:58.780 whatever and then i go it's like diarrhea without the release like diarrhea yeah so it's like the

00:14:06.140 sensation people describe yeah it's like the cramping yeah yeah where you're praying to god

00:14:10.520 and and diarrhea you have the relief okay the second i got this is just permanent one half

00:14:15.920 second before diarrhea and you just have to live in that and go go to the make the big presentation

00:14:21.040 yeah yeah and uh so there's that and then but i was yeah i was like i was like i might have to

00:14:27.060 show you a video like because i just want to be seen of course witnessed and understood of course

00:14:33.560 anyway who cares but well for those if anyone's experienced i have a uh a toxic or life extension 0.73

00:14:41.040 never told you oh yeah yeah i'm not fucking around anymore with no saffron supplements 0.90

00:14:46.620 saffron we have to integrate now i'm done only been able to do it two days in a row i'm done 0.95

00:14:51.820 okay first of all i picked up the threads the freaking threads at trader joe's because i saw

00:14:55.580 someone post like like they're running out of trader joe's because everyone's like running for

00:14:59.220 it just to munch the threads raw yeah i think so well no they're they're making like saffron water

00:15:03.160 tea however start looking and then it becomes optimization and it becomes no you need to really

00:15:09.560 dose it at the 20 or 30 milligrams they've studied you need um you know i hate sorry

00:15:14.400 you have to grind them into and so they have these things that are like you know the extractions like

00:15:19.240 one of them is um like afron okay tm you know what i mean another one is what's the saffron

00:15:24.700 company that was sending us stuff so the fullest now i was looking at their ingredients going i

00:15:30.080 can't tell if like ashwagandha's in there no the only other thing in there was like i have some

00:15:35.420 expired the fullest and i was just gonna take it anyway yeah i think you're fine but and i this is

00:15:41.140 a question for the fullest like the the stuff i was reading made me think i need the like

00:15:44.800 the branded extraction that these other companies are putting in their thing okay i was like is the

00:15:51.200 fullest kind of like aren't they the ones that say condor thoughts on the bottle and so i'm going

00:15:55.400 like are they just grind are they like are they kind of natural in a way that like so i i you know

00:16:00.800 i'm not assuming that's the case but i was kind of wanting expensive little tm you know afrenol

00:16:06.760 or whatever it was saffron side and afron okay those were the two things i saw so i'm going okay

00:16:12.840 i'm looking it up life extension uh which i've always appreciated because they are a legitimate

00:16:17.740 brand and there's something funny about life extension the big sun no that's um that's something

00:16:22.780 um solgar my father's classic heavy dose fish oil though i'm trying to so so the saffron i'm going

00:16:30.760 okay i'm done right i i not having saffron it's serious right it's got to be now so

00:16:37.220 i ordered that and um but what turned you on to that brand i sent it to the east coast

00:16:42.860 oh i got the alerted it arrived and it was in the east coast i also was like oh and then the

00:16:49.180 whole i mean the way it swept the nation what the pepsid and the zero tech or whatever oh so now 0.97

00:16:54.280 it's like gone oh well i don't know if it's gone but god damn they must be just kissing the earth

00:17:00.000 i know um so that's the whole thing and and then and then other people piping in you know it was 0.92

00:17:04.900 stinging nettles the whole time and whatever you know um i actually woke like in the night going

00:17:09.780 you know if this were because it's so present all the people going i've suffered now i just i see

00:17:16.320 like i've suffered for the last 40 years and i know what's coming is pepsi is the h1 and h2 okay

00:17:21.800 yeah i've been on every antidepressant i've had okay yeah and i go if this was a like you know

00:17:28.960 like social experiment like to prove like what losers we all are right like to show like if

00:17:36.260 someone just it was absolutely an experiment which they just made it up and just fed this

00:17:40.220 lie to people told them to repost this like or pepsi did or whatever and then we all buy it and

00:17:46.000 you see like it go up right and the whole thing and like how many people i was just like that'd

00:17:50.420 be embarrassing you know which is like of course that's what every marketing campaign is on some

00:17:55.320 level like anytime you buy anything you've fallen but it would be embarrassing if it were literally

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00:21:08.080 permanently blinded or whatever everywhere no god no god no i've i have used it on my armpits

00:21:14.680 you know sometimes you're just like it's not even about like it's just like you're

00:21:19.180 different deodorants whatever and you just like smell from like different fragrances over the

00:21:24.900 whatever it just like wipes it all gone laughing at like like the the lightest admission of like

00:21:30.360 having body odor yeah like not even too painful you're like no i'm like no it's not even that

00:21:34.100 it's a combination of different it's different the way the rose is mixing with the ocean i know

00:21:39.800 exactly i know no it's true i'm like yeah i feel like get on a tough zoom or something yeah like

00:21:45.080 a stressful zoom yeah there's like a specific chemical like i'm like oh yeah that was tough

00:21:50.140 one it's like flop sweat or something but it's different than flat like there's a specific high

00:21:53.740 stress i'm like oh god oh and i'm like is it just like it's the stress you know they just because

00:21:59.040 it's clamped down they did the they did the test on this you know where they did like well it's

00:22:04.260 about and they did the exact sweat test where they were like they made people sweat from stress and

00:22:08.840 fear and they made people sweat from just like running on a treadmill and then blind groups

00:22:14.320 or whatever like smelled both of them and the ones that were the fear ones made people lose their

00:22:19.620 minds and raise their cortisol levels just smelling it just smelling it called smelling fear

00:22:23.760 they can smell it that's why dogs are scary but um oh god last night reading about the sperm whales

00:22:30.340 who apparently for i don't know how long we've been talking to each other warning them each other

00:22:35.540 about us there's a language no i mean no it's amazing also no but it's tough really quick

00:22:41.840 stuff the way we

00:22:43.480 well I mean the aliens

00:22:44.860 that come here

00:22:45.280 and they go

00:22:45.640 save the earth

00:22:46.380 back to aliens

00:22:47.580 we've had a huge

00:22:48.920 huge response

00:22:50.100 from the community

00:22:50.760 about

00:22:50.960 really

00:22:51.200 yes they love

00:22:52.300 where

00:22:52.600 I thought you were

00:22:53.080 off Instagram

00:22:53.580 I dipped back in

00:22:55.300 but not forever

00:22:56.720 not forever

00:22:57.180 just a little dip

00:22:57.840 just a little dip

00:22:58.620 just check back in

00:22:59.500 I had to post something

00:23:00.000 well I saw something

00:23:01.020 I said oh she liked that

00:23:02.260 I go yeah

00:23:02.800 guess she's back

00:23:03.520 very briefly

00:23:04.580 and then I pictured you

00:23:05.020 in your home

00:23:05.420 one hour

00:23:06.120 right I pictured you

00:23:06.840 one hour a week

00:23:07.520 downloading the app again

00:23:08.220 I go is she going

00:23:08.780 to the app store

00:23:09.320 10 minutes a day

00:23:10.740 is the maximum

00:23:11.480 one day back to the app store and search instagram yeah i read download so back to so here's here's

00:23:16.740 my new life one hour of instagram a week which means 60 minutes a day or you blow through it if

00:23:22.500 you if you want to just really go hard have it i mean you could set that up yeah you do that for

00:23:27.980 me i don't know how i don't know offhand but i know how to research it but i need to really shut 0.98

00:23:32.320 me out none of this fucking bullshit of like careful you're at 10 i need it to disappear 0.97

00:23:37.680 yeah completely they have that yeah do they really someone's gotta have that well it's not 0.99

00:23:42.480 even just having it it's most of it you can program on your phone like i follow this person

00:23:47.180 who's always pushing like um like shortcuts like you can do you could you can have all sorts of

00:23:52.620 on your phone app that's cool too okay whatever but i need help but i but i've been pretty i've

00:23:58.540 been i've been better and i'm so sorry to say this but 10 minute meditation this morning 10

00:24:04.940 minute yesterday yeah and here's what it here's what and also where do you do it here's what it

00:24:09.620 is in bed so yesterday i woke up i've not the 7 a.m thing it has been up and down okay yeah i

00:24:17.320 didn't achieve it a single day but it doesn't mean i forgot no but i've been doing it a bit

00:24:21.480 yesterday and today it was like 7 7 10 so here's what i do wake up a sip of water bedside table

00:24:27.100 scoot into scoot in prop up pillow 10 minutes now and you don't struggle with falling back to sleep

00:24:33.220 no because i'm sitting up and your head isn't like it's i mean some of us fall asleep you know

00:24:39.200 standing you know i don't i don't struggle with that's impressive um i mean sure it's the thing

00:24:44.580 of like you're like a little bit like in the dream that's why you're supposed to like get up

00:24:47.820 and pee first do something to like right get you out of that but i was i was awake enough if i were

00:24:52.460 super exhausted deborah king always said first thing like like i mean like like like sit up and

00:24:57.380 like like barely sit up like you know just get up there do it that's what the guy who taught me tm

00:25:01.580 said too she's funny though because she's like get the animals out she's like basically she's like

00:25:08.000 the cat the the horses the whatever okay like because she was describing being on this farm

00:25:12.340 maybe there were like llamas okay like she goes out and meditates and like like opens her eyes

00:25:16.760 and there's like nine llamas like at her feet okay but she's like the pets she's like they'll

00:25:22.760 they'll siphon it they love it and they'll siphon it like she's like like they'll take it and i know

00:25:27.600 they'll take it they'll like soak it right up yeah leave you dead okay but and i'm like but

00:25:31.900 it feels because i always feel like you know if you can get into the aura of a cat for a nap with

00:25:37.620 a cat it's like a dream they they pull you in they're in like alpha or something yeah so i'm

00:25:43.440 always like no they're elevating me like to me like so it's it's you know it's hard to say but

00:25:48.000 she makes an interesting point and then but yeah she 10 in the morning i want me to hatch hatch is

00:25:53.680 getting major ads on this podcast we've been talking about hatch for weeks where's the new

00:25:57.220 hatch i feel like they reached out and said they would send it and i i feel like i typed in your

00:26:02.600 address again welcome to my life okay non-stop typing in your address i'm typing in your address

00:26:06.520 a lot really yeah so do you know by heart no i still don't that's another thing you need a

00:26:11.420 shortcut for on the phone okay text shortcut okay and i haven't done it on my phone either okay

00:26:15.680 or on the computer emails to find your address so okay most of the time that do it so for example

00:26:20.780 Most of them, I have to type my long-ass name into an email, right?

00:26:24.140 I type the letters E-M-L, and it populates.

00:26:28.620 I set that up years ago.

00:26:29.840 Imagine the time I was saved.

00:26:30.880 That's cool.

00:26:31.680 Saved, okay? 0.99

00:26:32.600 So then you need to go, like, J-N-A-D or something, okay? 0.98

00:26:36.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:26:36.640 Something that's unique to that.

00:26:38.480 Cool.

00:26:38.700 Okay.

00:26:39.380 I would love it.

00:26:39.900 I mean, you could even type in the, like, if you remember, as the first four letters,

00:26:43.340 or first four numbers, letters, whatever.

00:26:46.200 But anyway, the point is, it's huge, okay?

00:26:47.580 And I know you go, move on.

00:26:48.820 This is boring. 1.00

00:26:49.180 it's not people are lit up imagine the amount of time you could save in your fucking life to 0.99

00:26:54.380 meditate instead i'm already dreaming of an mcafe macra bowl okay wait um okay wait wait wait wait 0.98

00:27:01.060 wait wait wait yeah okay workout classes there is so this is when instagram this is the and this is

00:27:07.760 when i relapse into instagram there's this like fitness girl i followed her and now and i think 0.99

00:27:15.180 I might do her home workouts let me just bring up her name interesting Madeline she's like major 0.57

00:27:21.360 she has you know over a million followers she's by the way me she has 1.2 million that's actually 0.98

00:27:25.840 not big like that's like standard big do you know what I mean though I do know you mean like to me

00:27:31.200 that's big but I'm like she has a million followers it's like that's actually not the

00:27:35.380 barometer now the metric is like I also think it's not the barometer like you know well it's

00:27:40.920 followers doesn't mean the work is good let's get real but i have to say but she has a um

00:27:45.940 lean and lethal summer challenge ew with home home workouts and i mean you like you this is your the

00:27:54.120 i think the dopamine you like what health no you like a new a new savior of course i can't bring 0.83

00:28:00.580 myself to go into just another fucking yoga studio like there's ones right near me and i go i could 0.85

00:28:05.740 just pop in right how do you choose it's just like they're like yoga it's like it's like like 0.98

00:28:12.380 it's all about the instructor really that's what they say i'm not really sure about that

00:28:18.180 like yeah sometimes i think it's all about the instructor if the method is i mean there's

00:28:23.820 certainly places where you go and it's like the same workout i had an instructor you know i had

00:28:28.980 a bad lagree experience i told you by the way lagree is everywhere now something's going on

00:28:33.860 Someone near me.

00:28:34.340 So Legree Pilates.

00:28:35.660 In District La Brea.

00:28:36.680 There's like Pilates and there's Legree.

00:28:38.460 People have very strong emotions about this. 0.97

00:28:40.660 It is a hot button fucking topic in the Pilates community.

00:28:44.760 So I guess for, so Pilates, first of all, I guess to become a Pilates instructor, you 0.97

00:28:49.380 need like 900 hours to be certified.

00:28:51.440 Like it's something crazy.

00:28:52.380 And to be a Legree instructor, it's like a weekend basically.

00:28:55.420 And I'm not here to disparage people who are Legree or instructors for saying that they

00:28:59.220 don't know what they're doing.

00:28:59.980 Okay.

00:29:00.280 But that's like the truth, I guess, is the truth.

00:29:02.300 Right.

00:29:02.360 anyway so and i went to yeah i kind of think i kind of am offended by that idea what what the

00:29:08.660 weekend certification me too i know no well i didn't even know this unless they're certifying

00:29:12.580 how to press play on a video and the guru's on the video sure well i say this with all the love

00:29:18.060 in my heart but someone very near and dear to me was doing lagree instructing a couple years ago

00:29:22.420 and i kind of was like she was like i'm instructing lagree i go huh and i thought like that's

00:29:26.240 interesting like isn't that that's kind of like a big undertaking when i've heard about this

00:29:30.160 but then i heard later that it's a weekend or something it's very and then and she's the person

00:29:34.720 i texted when i went to a degree class and i gotta tell you the instructor by the way i don't like

00:29:39.540 being on the reformer i don't think that's for me they're like i don't it feels scary like someone's 0.91

00:29:44.620 going to snap out i'm going to go over here it's gynecological i just don't like it so then and 0.64

00:29:49.620 then like i'm spreading it's more than gynecological i think it's very medieval it's very medieval and

00:29:54.960 Although that is kind of, I've, this is like, sorry to interrupt, but thinking live, right?

00:29:59.820 Yeah.

00:30:00.280 Stumbling our way into a cliche.

00:30:01.840 Are you ready?

00:30:02.200 Look at this.

00:30:02.600 Stumbling our way independently into a cliche, which is like some kind of medieval torture

00:30:06.740 device.

00:30:07.320 No, I know.

00:30:07.720 I know.

00:30:07.980 Of course. 1.00

00:30:08.580 The classic, the classic like insult of, you know, like I found out housewives. 0.99

00:30:12.200 It's more like, um, anyway. 0.99

00:30:13.640 Yeah.

00:30:14.080 No, no, no.

00:30:14.440 Of course.

00:30:15.220 So I'm on the machine and I was telling her, I was like, God, you know, I'm really feeling

00:30:19.220 it in my back when I do this.

00:30:20.520 And she was like, oh, you shouldn't be feeling it in your back.

00:30:22.160 I go.

00:30:22.540 You go.

00:30:22.960 Well, I am.

00:30:23.720 Yeah, that scares Kate Berland.

00:30:25.660 That really scared me.

00:30:26.380 And then I realized like I wasn't, I'm sorry, but she wasn't correcting my form.

00:30:29.060 She wasn't correcting my form and this was a private class. 1.00

00:30:31.360 And you knew the form was shit. 1.00

00:30:32.140 Are you hearing me? 1.00

00:30:32.540 It's a private class.

00:30:33.300 What do you mean a private?

00:30:34.200 You mean not just you.

00:30:35.620 It was a duet, me and a friend.

00:30:37.080 Yeah.

00:30:38.260 And then I had so much pain in my back.

00:30:41.140 I woke up in the night, my poor partner, I was like, what if it's over?

00:30:45.160 What if this is my new life?

00:30:46.560 They're like, you just worked out too hard.

00:30:48.400 Like, it's okay.

00:30:49.120 It's going to be sore.

00:30:49.860 I woke up in the night scrambling around in the freezer getting an ice pack.

00:30:52.980 eyes on the ceiling well i only have one person to blame myself no she crossed my boundary i said

00:30:58.560 i felt at my back and she continued the pain lifted 48 hours later and it was like and when

00:31:05.760 i was in the back pain i thought god if you lift this pain off of me god i will be a servant which

00:31:10.940 is also what you have when you have diarrhea you commit yourself to to god again yeah at a new

00:31:15.100 level anything you're like not like i did yesterday god about the back muscle this is a new layer i'm

00:31:19.820 not a diarrhea person i'm yeah i mean migraines is really where i go to god and i go god lift it

00:31:24.660 off me but the back pain lifts but the lagree and i was pissed i texted my friend who's a lagree

00:31:29.060 instructor and then she was rapid fire texting going oh well you should have had your arms here

00:31:33.080 she should have corrected you here whatever and then first of all i mean sorry but just like the

00:31:38.740 on phone correction based on your text i'm like once again it sounds a little agree to me that

00:31:43.520 your friend thinks they can offer like you're like my back your arm was probably i'm like yeah

00:31:47.480 it sounds weekend as fuck i know well that pilates and then this is what i thought was 0.84

00:31:51.280 interesting i'm in the legree class well no well this will really set you off in the degree with 0.97

00:31:56.400 the instructor because i've done pilates and she you know what she's doing disparaging pilates

00:32:00.580 she's like oh pilates like well like like it's this very thing they're like at each other's

00:32:03.920 throats and the degree people are like pilates is ridiculous because the degree is like harder

00:32:08.020 it's like higher intensity is legree's last name yeah it's probably like ben giuseppe no right i

00:32:15.240 just mean because like joseph agree right yeah yeah totally anyway they're at each other's

00:32:20.720 fucking throats okay i know i should just stop saying it i like floor pilates map-based 0.80

00:32:24.880 me is like a young woman in the city being like i'm thinking of trying this like 0.98

00:32:28.660 you know i must have been in college i don't know but i was like to my brother i was like

00:32:32.060 pilates yeah yeah he's like pilates he's like hysterical okay sorry sometimes i need this

00:32:38.940 okay just i hope you don't mind i don't mind at all um i like i like riding hood

00:32:44.940 mat-based Pilates, floor Pilates. Yeah. Well, by the way, I used to do this, this video.

00:32:50.920 Oh, she was so good. She was, she was Pilates to me, this woman. Videos. Okay. Classic workout 0.85

00:32:58.300 videos. Oh, of course. Okay. I did Jillian, Jake, is that Jillian Jacobs? The like 30 day

00:33:04.180 burn, whatever. I was fat on Yaz. My problem, my problem, my problem with that was, you know, 0.87

00:33:13.820 eventually i need the workout to ladder up to something of meaning okay what you mean where

00:33:20.020 you're really feeling it no like either it's aligned with some kind of like you know spiritual

00:33:26.100 yes that or sorry guys you know tracy design is yeah this is someone's life's work well clearly

00:33:34.520 okay this is and look i i can't i just i can't with someone just repeating to me the thing they 0.79

00:33:41.920 heard from their one teacher okay and it's thin as fuck okay I need to be able to dig deep dig deep

00:33:48.000 and keep finding more okay yeah that's what I find in Tracy keep finding more more knowledge 0.96

00:33:52.340 okay more learning whatever so I don't want to learn I mean we're talking you know I'm not trying

00:33:56.720 to like you know push my one agenda of whatever but we're talking about workout for long enough

00:34:00.500 to say you know there's a new thing on the Tracy thing and it's a four and it's it's the core

00:34:06.460 principles broken down so you could get in there and really ask, all right, what does it mean to

00:34:12.320 transfer my weight? Oh my God. I'm just, to me, it's such a peak thing of like when you find a

00:34:17.680 workout, you're like, this is my life now. I'm never deviating. And this is going to be me for

00:34:20.840 the rest of my life. And this is just what it is. So when I was really into Tracy and I was like,

00:34:24.960 I'm going to do the home workouts, I had someone install mirrors in my garage laundry room to lower

00:34:31.500 them yeah before he left i go okay call him back oh my god you're a genius okay so so i have him

00:34:36.300 come and install the mirrors you know it's not cheap it's not like it's thousands of dollars

00:34:40.460 but it's like handyman big mirrors it's a big it's a big event order to get something on the

00:34:44.940 wall got him on the wall there they're on the wall and you're doing it to be a tracy cave to 0.99

00:34:49.420 be and then i go on all fours because so much of it is all on the ground and i go fuck when i'm on 0.99

00:34:54.980 it's too high i'm not seeing my legs i'm not seeing and i text i guess i texted you panicking 0.97

00:35:00.020 i remember it as me going you being like i installed mirrors for tracy sent me a pic and i

00:35:05.880 go they're not how i can't is he still there and i go i can't i can't yes you can and then i had to

00:35:11.900 tell him you pay him additional hours i'm just paying it's like i'm not paying yeah anyway so

00:35:16.140 then i had to go i'm so sorry but i need them lower bolted out of course huge holes in the

00:35:21.100 walls brought them lower never did it well maybe once maybe once or twice never you started storing

00:35:27.680 things in there had to had to go to storage and now my little office room that's where 80 miles

00:35:32.860 classic i've brought it up before laundry on the sex swing clean laundry oh that's that's really

00:35:38.060 funny that's really funny i um no i have my little office and i go that's my little that's where i'm

00:35:43.980 working and that's where i have my and i actually need to go maybe i'll go after poog i need to go

00:35:48.280 to a sports store because i need to buy some five pound weights i need buy 15 i've got 10 pounders

00:35:52.760 by the way the 10 pound weights i have though radioactive toxic smell on them this is what i

00:35:57.340 was gonna say and this is why okay tracy needed wood growth rings i would i would spend not those

00:36:05.860 but there's got to be an alternative yeah because these ones i'm going okay so this is uh adrenal

00:36:11.480 system disrupting reproductive harm highly carcinogenic pores yeah yeah well the handles

00:36:18.620 metal i bought the ones where the handles metal yeah but still i'm smelling i'm like i'm like 0.89

00:36:24.020 yeah yeah fucking poison yeah yeah i'm like yeah driving up poison yeah yeah yeah you're like 0.83

00:36:34.620 it'd be so funny if i became like insanely jacked i start i started taking i mean it's 0.98

00:36:40.880 not gonna happen no i like the idea i wouldn't let it happen us us shirtless in the in the um

00:36:46.240 us recording like in like wrestling outfits nothing okay we're so jacked and then nothing

00:36:53.060 but the nipples is covered yeah yeah okay with this with the strap you know and and it's just 0.84

00:36:57.100 like and it's like we should be on the cover of sports illustrated you know what i love oh my god 0.83

00:37:01.080 yes please they probably need it they do need it they need a little bit of intellectualism

00:37:05.680 okay on the cover they need an eye okay they need a knowledgeable sort of um they need a

00:37:11.600 contemplative eye over the muscles they of course you know you go huh and they snap that and take it

00:37:19.580 all right but yeah i'm getting lit up thinking about this but here's the thing when i was doing

00:37:24.680 when i had my home studio essentially okay in my office in the room i record poogan at home

00:37:30.140 in the place i work in my blue room your dojo okay and i got my mirrors i had i'm gonna get

00:37:39.200 a new one i finally dragged the old one out because i don't like it anymore it doesn't work

00:37:42.120 or it takes up too much whatever infrared heater crank that bitch on i had my humidifier i remember 1.00

00:37:47.960 Yeah, I'm off the Lacey doll, even though it creates so much steam. 1.00

00:37:52.340 The Lacey doll humidifier was a big purchase for me, but then I read that ultrasonic humidifiers

00:37:57.080 are not the answer unless your water is completely distilled because it's vibrating at such a

00:38:01.840 layer that any of the impurities in the thing are down to practically an ozone fog, right,

00:38:06.280 that goes right into the cell.

00:38:07.160 So you actually don't want, you don't want ultrasonic fine mist.

00:38:13.300 You want brutal, you know, moisture, okay?

00:38:17.300 Whatever.

00:38:17.960 Point is, I had that going.

00:38:19.560 I had the infrared going.

00:38:20.960 I'm in the darkness.

00:38:21.780 The infrared, like, heater, like, lamp, you know, is, like, glowing me red.

00:38:26.080 I remember. 0.98

00:38:26.780 The music is fucking cranked, okay? 0.98

00:38:29.940 And, okay, and I'm there with my staff, my wooden staff in my box, right? 0.99

00:38:35.640 Yeah.

00:38:36.960 And it's everything they say it'll be.

00:38:39.560 You're there alone with the thing.

00:38:41.360 It's my music.

00:38:42.120 I'm watching the moves.

00:38:42.920 I'm doing it.

00:38:44.380 And then after I would get in the shower.

00:38:46.620 and the way i felt okay i was like this is going down to to make dinner after the after the shower

00:38:54.180 after the workout just patting downstairs and essentially for me was you know i tend to eat

00:38:58.560 whatever it's like i'm not putting on full i'm not putting jeans back on it's sort of it's sort

00:39:03.440 of like um robe dinner kind of yeah yeah and it post-workout dinner and that feeling i want robe

00:39:08.240 tonight robe dinner so i'm just saying it's making me go i already see it bathtub into the robe no

00:39:18.680 no here's what it is bathtub oils oh yeah myself up yeah robe on the oiled up on the couch with 1.00

00:39:29.360 dinner watching couples therapy so you love that shit you love that shit couples therapy yeah 1.00

00:39:34.900 You don't love it? 1.00

00:39:35.920 No, no, you've always loved it.

00:39:36.800 I'm returning.

00:39:37.260 Have you seen HBO's 15 years ago?

00:39:39.560 It's showtime.

00:39:40.100 Oh, wait.

00:39:40.780 What was the one I loved down there?

00:39:41.860 I don't know.

00:39:42.320 Taxi Cab Confessions?

00:39:43.480 No, no.

00:39:44.600 I mean, yes. 1.00

00:39:45.340 You love all that shit. 1.00

00:39:47.500 Okay. 1.00

00:39:48.320 You love it.

00:39:48.780 I want some chili tonight.

00:39:49.680 You know what?

00:39:50.740 Ooh, I think I'm about having chili at night.

00:39:52.900 Maybe get a little high.

00:39:54.680 If I get-

00:39:55.500 Take a one milligram.

00:39:56.020 If I get serious about making my own salsa, things could change for me because-

00:40:00.440 I can't talk about salsa because my raw tomato is too sad.

00:40:02.680 I'm sorry.

00:40:03.240 Maybe you could have, I'm trying to think what else would have a similarity, have a taste like a tomato salsa.

00:40:09.500 You know, I'm not going to try to pitch mango salsa on you.

00:40:11.320 That's obviously a whole different deal.

00:40:12.840 But there's something you could do.

00:40:17.400 Ooh, I want that food.

00:40:21.460 Okay, wait, wait, wait.

00:40:22.680 So, roll up dinner.

00:40:23.660 So, I'm just thinking, no, but here's what I'm dreaming about.

00:40:26.280 Us in our caves, okay?

00:40:27.640 I want to get your cave set up and I want to get mine set up.

00:40:30.820 By the way, I have a new fantasy.

00:40:31.880 I need a bigger house.

00:40:33.180 That is a lie.

00:40:34.280 Smallest house I've ever seen.

00:40:35.760 That is a lie.

00:40:36.220 You don't need a bigger house.

00:40:37.100 You have a shed.

00:40:38.720 Get rid of some of the stores.

00:40:40.780 You don't need those burrow shelves anymore that you're not using in the main home.

00:40:45.040 You don't need that.

00:40:46.020 I need the storage space.

00:40:46.900 The only thing you need to store is Jolly.

00:40:50.100 I know.

00:40:50.580 The blow mold.

00:40:51.220 Okay.

00:40:51.780 Now, here's what I'm trying to say.

00:40:53.080 Okay.

00:40:53.380 I named him Jolly because you kept saying he was so Jolly.

00:40:55.900 Yeah.

00:40:56.400 All right.

00:40:56.740 So you don't need it.

00:40:58.640 I can, or we can figure out another shed for you.

00:41:00.700 Point is.

00:41:02.160 Okay.

00:41:02.620 you just need enough room to do a snow angel i don't have that you do okay you do oh i have been

00:41:09.740 i have been swearing because i'm trying to do home workouts outside on your deck in your backyard 0.98

00:41:14.260 you bitch in your gorgeous backyard because i'm doing the home workouts in my office where my 0.98

00:41:20.600 desk is a couple times i've had this happen where i do a full extension i hit the corner of a chair 1.00

00:41:25.960 and you freak the fuck out and i start fucking raging i know i start i know tearing myself i go 0.99

00:41:31.080 go you fucking cut you miserable worthless i know when you try to extend so hard and then the idea 1.00

00:41:36.740 that if i just limit the extension yeah even if you just feel the chair it's like i'm trapped 1.00

00:41:42.640 and then i go i can't live like this so you have a pergola and it's covered in vine okay it's not

00:41:48.080 though sweetie the vine has been ripped off all right fine okay point is outside under something

00:41:54.020 I'm literally

00:41:54.580 I'm embarrassed to say this

00:41:55.980 Afraid of bees

00:41:56.840 Bees and bugs

00:41:58.180 The way you flew

00:41:59.700 From a bee

00:42:00.300 Why aren't I afraid of bee

00:42:01.740 When a bee

00:42:02.360 Goes by you

00:42:03.160 And you hear the buzz

00:42:04.080 That sends my cortisol

00:42:05.760 Sometimes it's a

00:42:06.580 To a place that

00:42:08.100 Sometimes

00:42:08.900 Oh my god

00:42:09.080 I'm a dream last night

00:42:09.740 I was hiking on a trail

00:42:10.940 Afraid of rattlesnakes

00:42:12.120 I had a dream

00:42:13.520 A couple nights ago

00:42:14.120 Like oh no

00:42:15.100 Like nine months pregnant

00:42:16.300 Okay 0.99

00:42:16.720 In a hospital

00:42:17.360 Oh no

00:42:18.200 Really don't want this

00:42:19.420 Oh no

00:42:20.120 And I go

00:42:20.520 I go 1.00

00:42:21.280 Fuck I go 1.00

00:42:22.120 I'll text Esther Pavitsky 1.00

00:42:23.460 she'll convince me it's a good idea i'll text jenna friedman they'll all tell me it's amazing

00:42:27.120 and then i go i guess you know this i guess all right you know when i'm elderly hopefully they'll

00:42:32.420 be there all right i guess i can get on board yeah everyone loves it once they have it okay

00:42:36.740 i was telling myself all that and um and then i was like no i was like i was like no yeah yeah

00:42:44.080 yeah and then it became like the doctor was like actually you're not like and i was like what i

00:42:50.160 wasn't upset i was just confused and then the hotels back in the hotels i'm always adding

00:42:55.140 another night in the hotel which is also big in my life yeah but always adding another night and

00:42:59.260 going back and going like can i get back in there going back to my room up on this floor 0.93

00:43:03.080 and sort of like there's this like big stupid room in this one hotel that i stay out a lot in my 0.77

00:43:07.920 dreams really you got your return yeah i love that wait a second i just remembered a huge 0.90

00:43:14.740 restaurant complex that exists in my dreams and a specific restaurant that i always go to and i

00:43:20.540 always forget about it and i have mixed feelings about it i was just thinking about that again

00:43:23.760 ah there's a comedy club that doesn't exist that i often go back and i'm like all right this guy

00:43:28.900 i'm like he loves me but like i never really saw the many tickets in this town

00:43:32.820 it's like very specific oh this venue again i'm like oh right but the the guy at the bar is nice

00:43:38.080 isn't it that's amazing wild it's just wild there at night and then you wake up late for poog i know

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00:45:42.140 Earth right here. Cozy Earth. Comfort lives here. I did my Saluma yesterday. Oh, really? Wait.

00:45:52.140 I'm trying. Do I even have a lot of makeup on? You can be honest. I tried a new foundation today.

00:45:58.020 Were you- I bought, I paid out of pocket for a really fucking expensive foundation brush. 0.89

00:46:02.960 it's westman atelier wow and it's like really thin it's like a japanese wait a second it's so 0.98

00:46:08.320 funny god the internet okay because you got fed the same shit no but i saw somebody used a really 0.94

00:46:13.380 thin brush on me 80 wide wide like this right not wide and thin not super wide no no no i just mean 0.97

00:46:21.620 like no i mean like um looks like a paintbrush almost yeah but sort of flat yeah because because

00:46:26.260 i saw one makeup youtuber or one makeup um oh cool i have no mirror okay wait hang on let me 0.55

00:46:33.480 look here because i was like i can see the foundation can't see god it's fucking good 0.98

00:46:37.240 bitch yeah it is bitch okay so what this is is house labs lady gaga's makeup company as we know 0.98

00:46:45.700 they changed the formula and someone told me oh someone told me because i'm an armani luminous 0.99

00:46:53.600 silk someone told me i saw online what are you looking at to be clear that says hourglass that's

00:46:57.400 not the product you're looking no sorry sorry i saw an h and i was like what this is house labs

00:47:01.440 foundation which i was told is a good alternative to armani luminous silk price point slightly

00:47:06.840 different i think it's a little cheaper but also people were lined up like for some luminous silk

00:47:10.260 freebie at the grove like like two months ago like it was it was madness and then and then i 0.95

00:47:16.000 saw these people like online like like attending the luminous silk party it was like damn this

00:47:20.360 like luminous silk thing is like i have no mascara on the top i have no mascara on and

00:47:24.680 then what i have is my cl bronzing stick because i had no time coming out of it did a bronzing

00:47:30.140 stick on the head on the what's this my eye um my skin's a little dry so i'm seeing a little

00:47:39.240 brush application maybe that brush is good maybe the brush is good this could be the brush that's

00:47:44.780 doing this work my hair is a mess today sorry guys my hair's been that's probably you know what 0.65

00:47:51.160 i it's because i bought the cheapest conditioner you can fucking buy it's like suave it's like 0.82

00:47:55.500 water suave suave i mean i believe it's suave what's that it's the classic wait it's so weird 0.92

00:48:04.800 you bring that out really that's the blush i'm wearing today and i haven't worn it in probably

00:48:08.200 two years that's really weird jacqueline me trying to tie it to fate no no i'm with you i was just

00:48:14.900 i was more like i was just briefly um doing what i was doing no i was just trying to freshen up oh

00:48:24.420 okay interesting uh by the way maybe house labs but yeah what are you trying this is the question

00:48:34.560 what do you try to achieve beauty but but why your skin is like what's wrong with skin oh god 0.98

00:48:41.720 see these are the questions so you don't have any shine your skin looks great it looks like shit but 0.95

00:48:46.420 i don't care no it's not true jacqueline i just mean i don't i i i never i think i over i think 0.91

00:48:52.080 i over i'm not wearing a lot of value you overvalue like a lot of people do they think

00:48:57.060 they need a smooth canvas why i know i know totally why not just i don't know like i'm just

00:49:01.480 saying like i to me it's not i guess like and this isn't i'm gonna be very clear i'm not being

00:49:09.480 morally whatever about beauty okay i'm being like craven hello i'm suffering mascara i thought i

00:49:15.780 was ugly without mascara it turns out you're always ugly okay no what but what i mean is

00:49:21.480 i'm not doing some kind of um like face positive no i know i know okay and and i and i suffer as 0.65

00:49:30.660 a result of this all the time okay it's sort of like the jewelry thing i like don't think anyone's

00:49:35.460 mistaken like for beautiful with makeup with skin right no with skin i'm like it's just skin

00:49:41.980 well i mean this is revolutionary like i'm like i'm like you could cover it if you can cover it

00:49:47.380 up then it's not inherent i'm saying this is cruel you see what i'm saying like like it's

00:49:54.340 like if it's fixable yeah no totally so so I like I get like someone thinking a blemish 0.87

00:50:01.700 like I get why we don't like blemishes or think you know whatever right I get why people cover

00:50:06.480 that up I have a couple zits right now you know there was you know an honor to see jar repost 0.72

00:50:12.920 no just just like like a bleeding pimple like on that photo I didn't even see I know but whatever

00:50:21.800 um but um and we did go in i i posted this because they were like you know we take our

00:50:29.300 job very seriously we went to jar we have to do quality checks guys so so the lychee martini

00:50:33.460 listen jacqueline and i were having an amazing double day up the street and we go let's go to

00:50:37.740 jar for a nightcap unbelievable suddenly i mean can you believe you can do that well you can go

00:50:43.700 for it you can go to a second location and also savory nightcap it doesn't always have to be

00:50:48.600 dessert, folks. Imagine a cheese course. You know, if you do that. Oh my God. Wouldn't that be so

00:50:53.460 fun to do it? My dad was king of the cheese course. Cocktail. Isn't it funny how consuming

00:50:59.000 you can become king of, right? Like, oh, I'm king of a hot dog after dinner. Yeah. I'm notorious for

00:51:06.640 a hot dog after dinner. But we went into jar. Sumo oranges last night. By the way, you know what

00:51:13.940 else peels off a sumo orange not just the top not just the outer peel the actual skin of each

00:51:19.800 individual section okay and i was able to experience a section without that's the best

00:51:24.980 and i go what oh that's crazy and by the way here's another thought do we need bottled water

00:51:30.060 if we just produce enough fruit isn't that the cleanest water of all really what the water in a

00:51:35.280 fruit oh like like watermelon right right right like send an orange around that's like x ounces

00:51:41.700 of water i know it's not as much as a water bottle but send an orange around the plastic

00:51:45.400 yeah i don't know can't we just be drinking from the earth's fruits yeah i mean the earth's fruits

00:51:49.780 because here's a good question where did they get their water when they lived by the saltwater sea

00:51:54.020 before they were making those things that dripped in whatever coconuts they were getting enough

00:51:59.420 water from the atmosphere oh collecting it yeah but i'm talking pre um pre-bowl no just the

00:52:06.640 really yeah are you serious yeah that was enough hydration yeah i think so so then why do we need

00:52:14.340 to drink water maybe we don't we need a little water i forgot this wasn't my home uh my home

00:52:21.240 my home mike wait but you you stopped talking about we went to the jar we went in uh popped in

00:52:27.380 popped in my problem is i start thinking of updates what do you mean well i started thinking

00:52:33.720 of it's time to add a new cocktail to the menu um i started thinking about additional things like i

00:52:38.960 was starting to wonder if we should ask them to do a chilled glass well of course because i i

00:52:43.760 there's something about it being almost too cold that i kind of like yeah and i kind of want that's

00:52:49.840 when it goes down so it's like it's vapor it just feels like you're just drinking air but it's a

00:52:55.980 martini but then then it's almost like i want them to hold back and not do ice for their other things

00:53:00.080 that would be good in, which is like, it's like, I want it special to be ours. I had a fabulous

00:53:04.300 meal last night at a restaurant, but you know, it's very talked about. It's very buzzy wilds

00:53:08.100 in Los Feliz, but it really was beautiful and delicious. And something happened where my friend

00:53:12.720 and I overordered and then he knew someone at a table nearby and we had, we were leaving and he

00:53:18.360 literally, there was a lot left of this entree, expensive entree, sent it over to their table.

00:53:23.180 Ew. I know. I kind of like, like a forker, not a family style. No, no, it was cut up already.

00:53:28.280 it was like meat that had already been sliced i also was a little bit sent it without i thought

00:53:33.220 it was a little bold i was like i was like i don't know if i would want that but also but then sent

00:53:39.800 it over they seemed like a wet fork i'm sure they felt they had to let me guess your friend was the

00:53:45.340 head of paramount okay caperland doesn't go out with anybody folks okay so yeah any any they send

00:53:52.560 their dirty dish water over to another table those people are on their knees they're drinking it

00:53:56.920 oh they seemed happy okay if i go out to dinner kate who who was it well tell me now i mean i'll

00:54:04.640 tell you right now it's actually a beloved hug jordan firstman when will jordan here i'll say

00:54:09.040 it on the pod jordan when will you notice me well where are the dms jordan huge hug these are texts

00:54:15.880 i get texts no i know i'm saying your friend why has jordan not come to be friends with me i ask

00:54:23.040 he's i i haven't he's busy i've had dinner with him in ages i'm just saying where i haven't seen

00:54:28.920 a single you know by this is gonna peace sign this is gonna tickle him well that's why i'm

00:54:34.320 doing it no no it's beautiful i'm learning he's really original okay he's original hag i know 0.82

00:54:39.080 whenever i'm whenever you hear that someone's a hag and you didn't know that directly 0.85

00:54:42.660 it's a shock it's major who recently there was someone that to think i could have gone up to 0.90

00:54:47.720 them at a party i know instead of hiding in the corner i know i know i don't hide in the corner

00:54:50.980 blasted parties everyone knows it people talk about birth rates lowering party rates are

00:54:56.280 lowering but really though people are not hosting anymore my neighbor they're not hosting anymore

00:55:00.340 we have a courtyard right right with the other neighbors right yeah more disturbing about she

00:55:05.360 moved in and she's like when's there gonna be the courtyard party okay and i go exactly

00:55:10.600 we're all gonna rot because it's the whole thing i just did you know see you know i saw this thing

00:55:15.560 there's a community in brooklyn of like 20 people like four families did the dinner i've seen it too

00:55:20.360 But they live in a compound.

00:55:22.000 I mean, it's like they bought six apartments.

00:55:24.360 And for the last 20 years, they've been celebrating together at Milestones.

00:55:28.120 And it's like, yes, they all live to be 140.

00:55:29.860 Yeah.

00:55:30.140 No, this group's going to live longer than you.

00:55:32.300 Yep.

00:55:32.660 Yep.

00:55:33.420 So I'm going, all right.

00:55:34.720 So my neighbor's like, when are we going to do it?

00:55:36.300 Like, she's got the barbecue.

00:55:37.960 I'm like, I can make drinks, bring them out.

00:55:40.360 And I'm like, it was so funny because she was like, she's like, we just put a little

00:55:43.460 flyer on the people's door just in our courtyard.

00:55:46.820 And I start going, or we just, you know, we don't invite anyone.

00:55:49.320 And, you know, we just go out there, and if it's just you and me, it's just you and me.

00:55:52.660 And, like, so afraid of inviting and them not coming.

00:55:55.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:55.460 And, you know, and then we say, hey, come on over.

00:55:57.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:58.680 Like, I was, like, anticipating.

00:56:00.020 It's just you and me.

00:56:00.680 It's just you and me.

00:56:01.440 You know, and then there's something, yeah, sort of neighbor, you know, neighbor.

00:56:04.980 Oh, oh, oh, you know, it's going wild right now.

00:56:07.040 So my snake plants, mother-in-law's tongue, you know, they're yellowing, and they're overstuffed,

00:56:15.200 and I've got, and they need to drain, and they're in a self-watering pot, if you can imagine.

00:56:19.020 okay point is i went out there kate it was wild right i'm splitting and and repotting okay and

00:56:26.800 taking away the dead yeah okay i'm dumping out a thing i'm i'm i gotta i gotta shovel i got my foot

00:56:31.720 i'm violently pulling apart the plant it's fine okay dumping a new one dumping a new one add some

00:56:37.220 potting so okay bring one over to an the neighbor because she the neighbors the other neighbors like

00:56:42.400 like you yeah do it like stick it in any of these yeah yeah and this happened when i was gone i

00:56:46.480 remember one year okay i come back like all because my plants have like died i'd left them

00:56:50.940 that way i come back my neighbor at the time trish she'd taken those like um can't remember but but 0.87

00:56:56.380 you grab a little one you stick it in the dirt and it just fucking takes it just takes hold 0.84

00:57:00.720 plants are it just fucking takes hold yesterday i look over i've got passion fruit vine growing on 0.98

00:57:06.680 the back fence something happened oh yeah and then yesterday i'm looking out it has grown no 0.98

00:57:13.440 turned the water up on it just a little bit who would have thought water the jacarandos are in

00:57:20.860 bloom purple trees please everyone host we need more people more people to take the initiative

00:57:26.240 to host dinner parties and to host parties and clippings drop clippings propagate your plants

00:57:32.820 oh you know well i almost started hysterically sobbing roses i got a i got a voicemail that i

00:57:38.000 would play on air except it's too personal or i just can't consent so i won't do it from my

00:57:42.840 elderly neighbor left, called me, left a voicemail, hi. And I got worried. I go, oh no,

00:57:48.620 something. And then she's like, I have a plant that I thought maybe you would want. And I've

00:57:53.440 potted it. Go over to her house, looking at photos of her mother and her when she was,

00:57:59.420 she's probably like in her nineties. And she brings me a plant. Can you imagine this?

00:58:04.340 Here, I thought you would like this plant. What am I supposed to do with that?

00:58:07.680 You start planting cookies again. Remember you got those overly big boxes or whatever last year?

00:58:12.020 my whole plan was to make cookies for the neighborhood

00:58:13.920 yeah they're too big the boxes are too big

00:58:16.520 and then I had the flu and I thought I'll make them anyway

00:58:18.540 you can't make cookies when you have the flu for your neighbors

00:58:20.680 yeah

00:58:22.240 but this Christmas

00:58:24.240 upcoming Christmas

00:58:25.180 cookies for the neighbors

00:58:26.720 well you know what also changes

00:58:28.600 yesterday morning and today morning

00:58:30.480 today morning this morning

00:58:32.520 yesterday morning and this morning

00:58:34.020 wake up early I go I'm going to do a walk

00:58:36.360 down into the neighborhood

00:58:38.340 just 20 minutes

00:58:39.260 saw some neighbors 0.99

00:58:41.540 today same people that's what happens like i saw like a woman i've never seen before with her baby

00:58:48.300 and her husband and she had under eye gels the unifying under eye gels yesterday there i go

00:58:53.700 sit under eye gels there she is see imagine if you have the uniform okay the way the time

00:58:59.620 you miss out on 9 15 every day i know you're gonna have certain you're gonna cross time

00:59:05.480 together and then i saw the guy intersect who's also lives in my neighborhood who sold me uggs at

00:59:10.700 the grove i think i said this on air but one morning i was doing an early morning goes my 0.90

00:59:15.220 new life now he drives his ass over to the grove every day damn i know and i and i walked oh 30 0.61

00:59:21.380 minutes but i saw yeah i saw the guy who sold me uggs and i went you sold me uggs because he was 0.94

00:59:26.600 amazing and i another time went i was trying on adidas i go oh they're not fitting he was a

00:59:30.640 fucking radiant light and i go you sold me and he looked at me he goes oh i was like obviously i 0.69

00:59:35.300 don't expect you to remember me and then i saw him yesterday and i smiled i was like hi and i 0.97

00:59:39.880 could see him kind of be like how do i you know yeah and you go uggs again i know it's me a little

00:59:44.180 miss ugg um sorry just kind of exploring the ear you know i told you i think i saw something about

00:59:50.200 ear seeds i was kind of interested um i want that somebody put ear seeds in me once yeah you were

00:59:56.060 afraid i don't think they did it right because they were so superficial there was no pain there

01:00:01.200 was no discomfort you're supposed to be like ah she just was like bop bop bop i was like this

01:00:05.240 is not right they were resting they weren't they were starting in they were completely resting

01:00:09.540 you and me open up a series of businesses in los angeles yeah two weeks it's us doing nails

01:00:17.420 two weeks it's us serving matcha i think this is interesting yeah morning show radio it all

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Fear of the Reformer

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