Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - It Was the Mushrooms the Whole Time

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00:01:05.100 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.540 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.640 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

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00:01:19.540 Today's topic, loosely speaking, Boethius.

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00:01:25.540 What's going on, Kate?

00:01:27.740 What's on your mind, Kate?

00:01:29.220 So I woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

00:01:34.280 Metaphorically or literally?

00:01:38.020 Because sometimes it's both.

00:01:39.000 Well, oh, so is there something there?

00:01:40.640 Like, there is no wrong side.

00:01:42.360 I know, okay.

00:01:43.220 I just...

00:01:43.880 Well, of course there is.

00:01:45.320 Yes, that's how one should approach life.

00:01:46.920 No, I really did wake up on the wrong side of the bed.

00:01:50.700 I woke up on the wrong side.

00:01:53.040 Okay?

00:01:53.440 I'm not in a good place

00:01:55.640 oh my god I just had a huge realization about

00:01:57.760 woke up on the wrong side of the bed I'm literally in shock

00:01:59.860 are you ready? I always pictured it

00:02:01.900 as meaning I just realized this isn't what

00:02:03.860 it is getting

00:02:05.120 like you got oh no is that the expression

00:02:07.460 you got out of bed? No you woke

00:02:09.780 up on the wrong side of the bed. Which means like you're over

00:02:11.840 on the left versus over on the right I've always thought of

00:02:13.840 it as which side you stepped out of your bed

00:02:15.420 isn't that funny? That is bizarre

00:02:17.900 I actually have

00:02:19.260 here's a little kind of OCD

00:02:21.800 thing of mine i read in a like a 17 magazine or a cosmo 462 years ago that selma hayek always

00:02:29.400 steps out of bed with the right foot first no like and so i've been doing that my entire life

00:02:35.560 my entire adult life you never forget i think about selma hayek every morning selma oh selma

00:02:41.460 it's selma what was i saying selma isn't it selma i think it is yeah yeah it absolutely is um isn't

00:02:47.640 that wild though by the way another thought no therefore she's i've never articulated that no

00:02:52.140 one knows that yes and isn't it it's weird how i say something like that which is deeply personal

00:02:55.920 and has been the kind of a ritual i've been doing for again 462 years suddenly now that it's hit the

00:03:00.840 air and i've said it out loud i i had a urge not to say it yeah and now do i feel robbed of a

00:03:07.540 private ritual no this is huge um what do should we keep things to ourselves that's like the kind

00:03:13.820 of the big question because i find that i can't and so sometimes i feel like part of my almost 0.94

00:03:19.460 sounded like you're heading towards can i feel like i can't no i i can't keep a goddamn thing

00:03:25.180 to myself right and so the foot thing that i just said like that's something that i've never uttered

00:03:30.780 but of course don't you feel that like you got excited when you realized i think we share this

00:03:36.020 when you realized you had something that you've never articulated it's exciting right yeah there's

00:03:40.900 a goddamn thrill there's a oh we found a jewel in the soil right yeah to me it's inherently a jewel 0.67

00:03:46.960 because it was in the soil even if it's a mere rock it was buried deep within my private life 0.99

00:03:53.160 right so so there's a thrill to bringing out to making of ostensible the latent uh i'm always

00:03:59.720 trying to work ostensibility versus latency into oh any conversation but no wait let me think if

00:04:05.340 there's anything i've regretted bringing to light there is that quality of you know yeah once it's

00:04:10.340 out has it see but i feel like that selma hayek thing unless you feel like it's um no i'm fine

00:04:16.520 with it being a magical ritual yeah that's why i feel a little bit it feels a little magical

00:04:21.520 oh it feels magical to me though it's a superstitious thing right stepping out with

00:04:25.380 the right foot first well that's interesting because maybe what that is then is hoarding

00:04:30.220 luck well to interrupt no but i love that idea because it's like shouldn't i i'm like no if this

00:04:35.520 is a little positive ritual or a little superstition why wouldn't i just want to share

00:04:39.840 that with the group no exactly but but this is interesting private ritual in a compulsive way

00:04:45.980 right like can lose its power when you speak it aloud right but in a good way because these are

00:04:52.300 like technically anytime you you're no longer in prison okay the difference between positive

00:04:57.920 ritual for the self that supports you and compulsive ritual of ocd demons living in a

00:05:06.720 prison of i have to put my foot down you know so it sounds like that one for you somewhere in

00:05:13.400 between right it's a little bit compulsive yeah it's somewhere in between but a little bit joyful

00:05:18.720 also and so it's like yeah you know i mean it's sort of it's sort of like you know my fears of

00:05:24.220 going to overeaters anonymous right like like don't don't take away the magic the numinosity

00:05:29.780 of what occurs between me and food you know late in the night i can't believe you said

00:05:34.300 numinosity because the word numinous has been following me lately it's been following me as

00:05:39.400 well actually the numinous has been hunting us no numinous it's it's i i love when that happens in

00:05:44.880 that that that is god but truly when things just continue to appear like that or chasing you being

00:05:50.580 chased by words or ideas or images what is that well the synchronicity it's meaningful coincidence 0.98

00:05:55.440 it's you and me living the youngian life okay it's young it all comes back to goddamn carl 0.92

00:06:01.220 carl is runneth amok carl has entered me now i mean he's always been there but 0.86

00:06:08.340 the young stuff has been huge for me lately i mean i feel like the last four episodes we've

00:06:13.720 talked about i should just move on no i know we keep referencing him and and it's actually i have

00:06:18.520 a new thomas moore it's another author i enjoy you know you said that and i heard sir thomas

00:06:24.740 moore man for all seasons thomas moore who also is a youngian practical psychology you might call

00:06:30.820 it. I'm reading a book called Soulmates. Couldn't recommend it more. I always confuse him with

00:06:35.200 Merton. Never heard of him. Oh, wow. Thomas Moore wrote a book called, I guess, Care of the Soul,

00:06:41.340 which I've never read. But this book, Soulmates, is divine. See, this is what my concern was.

00:06:46.500 Irish writer Thomas Moore from 1779. Kate, is that what you're reading? Honey, I wish. This

00:06:51.640 guy's still breathing. Is it an indignity to read anyone who's still breathing? Yes. I think it is,

00:06:57.420 right? Because what is a book? It's a letter from the past. How dare you ask anyone to read

00:07:01.260 something current? I want to be coiled up with Dante, you know, but I but I'm not. Oh, my God,

00:07:06.840 dreaming, dreaming. What is your relationship to Dante? Totally. I have one. Are you ready? What

00:07:11.420 it is? It's nothing. Well, it sounds like you have a relationship with Dante. But you asked

00:07:17.000 and you ran because you were like, Oh, no, I really wish I did. I mean, I have like, gentle

00:07:23.140 dante i was about to answer go no all it is is that in college i had a professor who talked about

00:07:29.000 how oh my god it wasn't dante it was it was milton oh sure lost same difference okay okay i'm

00:07:35.980 gonna say it anyway every christmas his wife reread paradise lost and i've never forgotten

00:07:40.620 it wow the idea of like well every year i revisit i love that paradise lost and i learn new things

00:07:46.980 i want to be that woman i know that's my dream of my future that's my dream of my life

00:07:52.280 i know it is every every i know to have i want to be once a year i go away even just for two nights

00:07:59.680 i want to be on some cliffside town with the waves crashing and be alone in my solitude leaving my

00:08:05.180 children and my partner and my whole life behind and i want to just you know i read paradise loss

00:08:10.240 once a year yeah i drink scalding hot darjeeling tea and i look out at the sea and the waves crash

00:08:17.980 against the rocks and i you know ponder those who have passed and my own mortality and i like

00:08:25.400 jerk off in the mirror or something um dante yeah my only really knowledge of dante is a

00:08:32.380 cole porter lyric where he turns it around he says and for a nose dante what to rhyme with

00:08:38.520 the great durante nothing's that's not registering for me at all i know not cole porter i mean i know

00:08:45.380 cole porter because i'm not i wasn't raised under a rock but i don't have any feelings there no

00:08:52.660 that's you know fair um were you a teacher's pet teacher's pet depends what you mean i had

00:09:00.580 stimulating intellectual relationships with a variety of teachers same in high school of course

00:09:05.880 you know they were shocked i mean they said well how do you how do you know about jung literally

00:09:11.040 okay okay they were shocked but did you have you had close relationships with certain teachers yes

00:09:17.440 yeah me too no you and i absolutely including like me and my friends like staying after school

00:09:22.640 to like further educate ourselves no no i because also you said dante and that flashed me forward

00:09:27.920 to being in college and this professor this italian professor who i was like taken by

00:09:32.500 and he was like you must transform your desire or whatever taken with that's it taken by i was just

00:09:38.220 making sure he hadn't kidnapped you he took me no but i um did end up going insistently with him

00:09:43.160 in a small group okay there was an energy no i remember going to his his apartment in brooklyn

00:09:48.440 heights and like drinking prosecco and discussing dante and i was like but i didn't um but he was a

00:09:54.920 big teacher's pet moment for me is that it was like day one of his class and i was you know again

00:10:00.160 taken and i didn't have a crush on him i just truly meant i was like the world of literature

00:10:04.720 is unfurling before me and him talking about boethius consolation of philosophy and being like 0.90

00:10:10.720 how that book is like divine and then i like a little bitch boethius boethius boethius b-o-e-t-h-i-u-s 0.52

00:10:18.540 i believe and it's not pronounced bertis do you know why i'm asking this is huge no 0.97

00:10:24.080 because they had just broken to say i don't think he's german i think they had a nose where i'm

00:10:30.960 headed our producer which is okay you ready this is one of my favorite topics yeah you know goethe

00:10:36.740 yes and i cackle because the spelling you know g-o-e-t-h-e-s or whatever it looks like goethes

00:10:46.520 oh right right right okay but it's pronounced goethe and that's like to me like one of the

00:10:50.680 biggest flexes you can you can do is just to be like goethe and then like your friend looks up

00:10:55.040 gertra and they can't find it because and then i love like the gothels bridge i guess in new york

00:11:01.620 isn't there a gothels bridge and i'm like it's girdles wow but no one no one's there to hear

00:11:08.840 you you've lost interest have you gone pursuing a free product on your computer because i see a

00:11:13.560 hand is right here i just i i i it seems so cruel to say lost interest something in me did break

00:11:20.780 off oh i know i know i was also too focused on myself excitement no i think my excitement around

00:11:28.640 see i have this belief that because you love me okay yeah okay that if i'm really excited about

00:11:33.900 something i expect you to go like i'm gonna find what's interesting in this because she's so

00:11:38.960 excited but i'm gonna love it well i do love you that much no right sometimes i will break off no

00:11:44.280 of course but i'm like i would say eight out of ten times i'm i'm there with you in the excitement

00:11:48.540 no no and I appreciate about you because it's real okay you're not coddling me at every turn

00:11:55.220 you know what I mean only only within you know reason right but I'm just like in my mind there's

00:12:00.520 a there's a ratio that I'm always working with okay of how long am I going to make you wait

00:12:05.620 to hear this thing like I'm like the Goethe thing I'm like that's like two sentences I can get that

00:12:10.840 out really fast okay so it provides any you know but it didn't enchant you and that devastates me

00:12:17.020 and i go back into tap dancing i'm like the goethe thing did it was when you broke off into

00:12:21.700 the bridges i started to go and then i was in my mind i was back with boethius and kind of medieval

00:12:27.040 philosophy for a second no and i want to go back to the boethius when i go to bridges it is with

00:12:31.840 an absolute intention okay of returning and that's also worth noting i know wait so i do want to come

00:12:38.340 back to boethius okay well i moved off hand well all i was gonna say was that i like a little

00:12:44.540 teacher's pet ran off to the library after class checked out boethius constellation of philosophy

00:12:50.840 went home you know read some of it and then the next day or two days later bounced into class

00:12:56.880 and then after class was like by the way i went and looked up no like i i checked up constellation

00:13:02.940 of philosophy it's sublime and he was like he went to the library did you and got the book

00:13:08.120 not irish of course but uh i was but like can you believe i did that well i certainly can and

00:13:17.420 um because i too know the flashing of a book the book peeking out of a knapsack all of those things

00:13:24.580 relating through merely saying that you also bought a book i too own that book yeah is were

00:13:32.160 you involved this is a very kind of new york city thing of the subway but like were you involved in

00:13:36.100 trying to constantly force hope that you can make people fall in love with you based on oh like

00:13:41.420 performance of self on the subway like i for many years in new york i just convinced myself that

00:13:46.380 i could get it down and i could just make scores of people fall in love with me

00:13:50.380 just by like these like little brief encounters or simply by the way i was you know pretending

00:13:54.900 to read on the subway is it always with the book it certainly helps okay but i was wondering because

00:14:00.540 to me that's interesting that you're afraid to be at the pool alone and yet like performance

00:14:04.860 of aloneness on the subway you're obviously comfortable with to a point of using it as

00:14:09.060 seduction very comfortable i always was more enchanted with the idea of um performing that

00:14:16.880 i was like some weird genius okay so so for example like it would be like the idea i didn't

00:14:21.980 do this but i fantasized about almost like tapping my fingers kind of like um like like i was working

00:14:28.140 out a problem or a symphony okay okay wait i'm stopping you there because i did working out a

00:14:34.120 and Finney acting on the airplane once

00:14:36.360 as a, I want to say I was

00:14:38.180 14 years old. Okay, this now

00:14:40.120 the memory has flooded

00:14:42.240 me. I haven't thought about it in a hundred years.

00:14:44.700 On the, having the tray down.

00:14:46.380 Playing? Playing piano on the tray.

00:14:48.640 I'm dying. Playing piano on the tray.

00:14:50.460 So much that the

00:14:52.100 guy next to me goes, oh my.

00:14:54.000 Oh, do you play piano? Like, I was asking

00:14:56.400 for it. By the way, to be clear,

00:14:58.340 I was like 14. Like, yeah, I don't want to

00:15:00.260 get into it. I was like, oh, yeah.

00:15:02.680 And then the rest is a blur.

00:15:04.120 but you can imagine the intensity with which I was playing piano and that's outrageous well I

00:15:11.460 once had I read and this is a little more like authentic in the sense of like and therefore more

00:15:16.220 embarrassed to share it but I had this notebook of all my like writings um or like a binder of

00:15:21.580 various writings you know and that I was taking in and out of New York City on a subway to go to

00:15:26.740 this like workshop and um a man you know sitting near me on the subway on the metro north was like

00:15:34.240 like got off at his stop okay after like i don't know we're both next to each other for 45 minutes

00:15:39.360 i'm paging through my materials not performatively you know i will say and he was like keep writing

00:15:45.280 it's kind of like no he meant like you're good how dare you he meant like don't give it up he

00:15:52.700 did not mean keep trying i know but it still pisses me off no of course well similarly in

00:15:57.920 grand central is coming talk about coming flooding back similar in grand central i'm wearing a red

00:16:02.260 wool coat you know like looking like paddington or something right i guess his coat wasn't red

00:16:06.380 it was blue but you know what i'm saying and yeah you know the cheeks are flush in the winter i'm

00:16:11.120 wearing a hat a scarf it's snowing outside and i'm waiting by the uh by the clock in the center

00:16:16.080 of grand central and who are you waiting for sorry keep going i'm getting so your your language is

00:16:21.060 so rich i'm being brought into the story against her and will i don't know who i was waiting for

00:16:26.260 but i um a man walks up to me regards me takes me by the shoulders no kisses me on the cheek

00:16:35.760 what okay jacklyn and says like something like i'm sorry i just had to you were too cute or

00:16:44.120 something no and walked away jacklyn shocking right i wonder if i could find a journal to

00:16:49.980 have the exact words but it was definitely something like that did you love it no I mean

00:16:54.720 I didn't I didn't love it but what's funny is like and this is did it happen so fast it happened

00:17:00.920 so fast although did it right because like how how many seconds did it probably take it probably

00:17:06.980 took well first there's like someone's walking towards you with a confidence that you think

00:17:11.320 surely they're just walking towards someone right behind me you know what I mean like so there's

00:17:15.040 that and then there's the moment of like shock if someone takes you by the shoulders how old

00:17:19.860 was this person he was probably like 60 45 kind of shocking right because it's like i don't know

00:17:26.000 it was weird and then there's almost the oh this is this is the funny thing is like i almost like

00:17:31.720 it's this moment where you can decide whether you're um culturally obviously supposed to be

00:17:37.900 horrified right yeah um you know horrified disgusted whatever all of that right and then

00:17:42.560 and then but there's almost this moment where you're like or is this just a great new york

00:17:46.180 moment is it 1942 like you know the soldier bending the woman over to kiss her right the

00:17:52.000 soldier coming back and it's like that was and then moments later they took the he didn't know

00:17:55.760 her they took the photo and then moments later she was screaming yeah okay so you're almost like

00:18:01.180 and i can't remember i think i told this story to chris later like almost like like it was a funny 0.90

00:18:06.400 new york story and like and he was like he was fucking furious like who is that yeah what a 0.99

00:18:11.700 fucking piece of shit yeah like that is so not okay and of course it's not okay i'm just trying 0.99

00:18:17.700 to think if i've ever there's other things like this where you like don't realize it's horrible 1.00

00:18:22.380 i like that though as a prompt i'll think for a second things that are horrible but you didn't

00:18:27.120 realize it at the time yeah or like you're ashamed that you sort of like went with it but we do have

00:18:31.700 to send them uh into the desert of the ad break pray for an oasis it'll be our faces

00:18:36.640 this is writer strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:18:46.020 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:18:52.760 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs so no i am not your

00:18:59.760 guru and back then i lied to my parents i lied to police i lied to everybody

00:19:06.240 There were years, writer, where I could not say your name.

00:19:09.460 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:19:12.100 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:19:14.900 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:19:18.260 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:19:21.180 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:19:22.840 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:19:25.780 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:19:28.820 Boom, boom. 0.97

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00:20:01.460 of just again both literally and metaphorically in this case no i was literally where i always

00:20:09.760 just metaphorically okay your your rage at me reveals i'm sorry that was true childlike

00:20:17.780 irritability that was like that was outrageous i don't know maybe you said it earlier but i i

00:20:23.200 still i was too enchanted i think maybe i had upsetting dreams i had a dream i was like wandering

00:20:28.380 in the city and people were just like openly shitting in the street and i saw all these

00:20:33.700 people who were like i don't know i just was in this kind of dark city this like kind of

00:20:40.180 you know wasteland of a metropolitan decay versus new york batman's gotham yeah perhaps

00:20:47.900 um perhaps it's not really a relevant reference for me over at janus films yeah sorry i'm strictly

00:20:54.940 janus i just think it's funny to call it janus janus yeah i dreamt that i was pissing for about

00:21:02.920 five minutes um relieved to wake up to dryness because i dreamt that i woke up after having

00:21:08.880 pissed the bed to a point of just like a whole room of piss and um and it was it was pretty

00:21:17.120 interesting and i've been trying to um re-up obviously given everything on dream work dream

00:21:23.500 journaling i'm sure i've said it on poop before but you know the key to remembering your dreams

00:21:26.960 or one technique i'm done every day yes but even better what if you sit because you say that to

00:21:31.800 people and they say but i don't remember anything you make it up you pretend you remember you

00:21:36.820 geniusly told me that that that changed my life isn't that huge you write it you write it down

00:21:41.640 so you go yeah i dreamt last night that a kangaroo you know caught me sniveling grease

00:21:46.200 but what did you say because oh but then the subconscious previously because it was so genius

00:21:52.640 that it's more exhausting for your subconscious to bury the dream than to create a lie yes the

00:21:57.900 subconscious goes i'll just give it to you it's easier to remember it than go through this process

00:22:01.940 of you making it up phenomenal so i'm starting and noting down a little bit at a time did you

00:22:08.300 dream about trump explicitly like did he come into your dreams once once i dreamt i was at like

00:22:13.660 this small sort of party or gathering or something and and it was like oh my god trump's here okay

00:22:19.420 and it was like oh fuck and it was like and he comes in and it was this weird thing where i 0.90

00:22:23.460 looked around like what do we do like throw something at him like oh and he like he like 0.98

00:22:28.820 spoke to me politely and i was like it was like this feeling of like it was it was a nightmare

00:22:33.520 of someone's politeness causing you to almost like respond by accident like hello like right

00:22:39.080 like nice to meet you nice to meet you no you know what about you it sounds like you did i did

00:22:44.900 dream once i had once had a sex dream where i was trump i dreamt that i was trump and it was

00:22:51.020 actually lucid it was partially lucid now if you look down your hands were they trump hands no so

00:22:57.860 i i walked you as your body but you knew no i was trump okay and i was walking into this like

00:23:03.220 i believe it was some kind of like industrial refrigerator or freezer area and i walked in

00:23:09.620 and i was like oh my god i'm trump and there was this very kind of like bombshell blonde in there

00:23:14.720 and i went up to her and i like pulled her hair aside and whispered in her ear this is this is 1.00

00:23:19.560 graphic ready yeah it's hysterical i said i said i'll buy you a car if you let me go down on you

00:23:26.940 no and then i came no yeah in the dream i'm sorry i'm not not to be a juvenile who doesn't

00:23:34.460 understand i woke up like really no no and i was trump very interesting obviously let me just take

00:23:42.860 get him if i buy you a car if i buy you a car will you let me go down on you or i'll buy you

00:23:49.100 yeah i'll buy you a car if you let me go down on you right it's interesting because i don't imagine

00:23:53.220 him kind of like let me if you let me you know is is generous trump i don't think he has that in

00:24:01.340 he doesn't he doesn't have that in him there's something that's like actually so erotic about

00:24:05.260 being like i'm gonna go down on you and then i'm gonna buy you a car like that even though is like

00:24:10.820 still more forceful there was the like request embedded in yours if you let me and that's you

00:24:16.860 know consent was present for you consent was very much present in my dream like the dream world is

00:24:22.840 supposed to be absolutely untouchable in terms of like like you cannot shame someone for your dream

00:24:27.240 you cannot you know whatever and so i just think it's funny to be like meanwhile nonetheless

00:24:31.600 i no it was still yeah do you have any dreams from childhood you still remember early nightmares

00:24:37.900 I think I remember my first dream ever, which was that I was in some kind of gift shop,

00:24:42.560 obviously a wonderland for me.

00:24:44.260 And there was a carousel, the carousel of postcards.

00:24:48.100 I know it well.

00:24:48.880 Which used to be a really important thing for me, like the postcards, the carousel.

00:24:52.740 And I'm looking at the carousel of postcards.

00:24:54.800 And then there was just a witch there, just like a classic, like witch.

00:24:59.480 And that was, I think, my first dream because I was in a stroller.

00:25:02.440 i was being strolled like i was in a stroller and i was observing the the postcard carousel

00:25:07.380 from the stroller oh my god and i once also saw a witch it's like early like childhood magical

00:25:14.040 reality stuff where i thought i saw a witch on a broom like sail across the sky

00:25:19.420 oh fantastic so cool um it was also like around halloween

00:25:25.240 therefore legitimizing like that maybe it was well i have a memory that i you know arguably

00:25:33.140 could have been a dream but i still like prefer to kind of stand by that i saw the easter bunny

00:25:37.620 okay which is like not even like no one thinks that myth is real like but no i believed in the

00:25:43.800 easter bunny after santa santa was revealed to be false i told my parents i said you have to tell me

00:25:49.540 if he's real or not because a lot of the kids are saying he's not real and i just need you to tell

00:25:53.660 me is santa real and it was before school and i remember my parents were like yeah it's not real

00:25:58.200 and i was like oh my god i wish i had never asked like i got a meltdown and then it was like weeks

00:26:04.820 later i was like easter buddy's real though right oh no i was like not the easter buddy too that is

00:26:10.720 so you like the anxiety appearing okay they're like easter buddy's right right because that voice

00:26:15.060 easter buddy's right is what you do when you're like you're walking a thin line between safety

00:26:22.560 in danger okay you know me and you're like if i if i just say it casually like this it's almost

00:26:27.180 like the gods won't notice the gods won't notice if i just quickly ask for the thing i want to be

00:26:31.100 true i know you're like the rabbit's real right the rabbit's real though if i say it quietly

00:26:35.520 yeah like because you don't want to be like the rabbit's real and then the universal screen bag

00:26:38.920 no it's not so you're like rabbit's real right right you're like very specific of your psychology

00:26:42.800 through gesture and i mean the tooth fairy don't even get me started loved the tooth fairy but i

00:26:48.260 thought i saw the easter bunny downstairs i went down for a drink of water it was like a huge

00:26:53.140 you know walking donnie darko bunny whatever yeah and um did the bunny look at you was there

00:26:59.940 an acknowledgement i can't remember now i've lost it now i i became too accepting of the idea that

00:27:05.280 it was merely a dream and so i've sort of lost the memory but wait well you know my santa claus

00:27:10.340 what they had to do no i had anxiety that i'm sure i've told you this i was like i'm so excited for

00:27:16.540 santa to come tonight i'm so excited for santa to come tonight i'm so excited

00:27:21.080 like and then like crying hysterically thus revealing they were scared as a little child

00:27:29.200 that i was like terrified okay it was like so i was trying to like i was trying to be positive

00:27:33.760 about it right i'm so excited for santa to come tonight and then like crying and then it was like

00:27:42.020 or this is how my parents describe it as almost like i'm saying i'm excited saying i'm excited

00:27:46.520 and then like it's like but i'm saying it with an intensity that's revealing something under the

00:27:50.400 surface and then um then like a like a freak out and then um the fear i was like my fear was of

00:27:57.020 surprise okay um anticipation and surprise this used to happen to me if someone delivered pizza

00:28:01.980 to our house same thing if i know something's coming it's like this when's it gonna happen

00:28:06.340 so i was afraid that i would go to the bathroom in the night yeah and run into santa okay ah santa

00:28:12.200 like this this like i'm gonna head out into the hallway and see santa and that was frightening so

00:28:17.440 i was really freaked out by it so what my parents told me it was really cozy okay was that well you

00:28:23.960 don't have to worry okay because because um because santa has to get to so many houses

00:28:31.140 yeah what he does he actually drops off some of the gifts in advance and so the gifts have

00:28:37.260 Santa is already the gifts are already here and they're hidden in dad's closet okay they're

00:28:42.440 hidden in dad's office okay and so they're already here and we're gonna put them out

00:28:47.320 isn't that the best it's that's so sweet no because what you're saying really rings true

00:28:53.000 to me I know that you know that I do this now it's like let's say you're at a restaurant you

00:28:56.480 know you're like you're have your you know I want the chicken pot pie right and they come over and

00:28:59.840 they go we're out of chicken pot pie and you're devastated right but then you go well you know

00:29:03.180 i'm actually excited to get the salmon you know and then like so and being like being like i'm

00:29:07.900 actually looking forward to it no no this is actually exactly what should have happened

00:29:11.040 and it's the mushrooms the whole time yeah yes and this is it's never been revealed on poog

00:29:16.920 and i'm gonna try to say it once in one sentence instead of the 70 sentences that got cut from a

00:29:22.760 previous episode right i'm gonna try it i want to say the mushroom thing i'm gonna try i'm gonna try

00:29:26.960 that was cut yes are you sure positive here i am saying it was the mushrooms the whole time

00:29:31.720 assuming the listener knows that the deep listener will know what i'm referring to no right right no

00:29:35.960 no it was cut because i internalized that it was cut as oh that was quite interesting i thought

00:29:40.060 that was so like important but yes i did take nine minutes to say this is very and i will say

00:29:45.140 just to preface this is feels very because this is such a true this is to me is evidence of you

00:29:49.700 really knowing my deep psychology yes like of how i feel so seen by you and one of the great things

00:29:54.660 about you is that you enjoy being seen even called out so to speak yeah no i'm not called

00:30:00.700 that call that's too like culturally loaded yeah but like if someone is observing you or knows you

00:30:06.000 well enough to actually be able to maybe gently criticize is almost too strong a word yeah but

00:30:11.520 is able to kind of point out your own pathology to yourself yes divine divine and and you light up

00:30:17.820 so it's really fun i love it but the mushrooms the whole time thing which you know could be a t-shirt

00:30:22.460 um is simply i observed kate's psychology including my own sitting at a restaurant deciding what to

00:30:29.300 order and we were deciding whether to get some kind of mushroom a mushroom mousse as an appetizer

00:30:34.480 or there was a side of roasted melange of different mushrooms we were deciding going back and forth

00:30:39.560 and kate was having a lot of anxiety i mean just and the thing is we're in it together because

00:30:44.320 menu anxiety making the right choice all that is huge for me as well so we're really going into it

00:30:51.220 like life depends on it yeah and i i got to a point where i was able to say that i really think

00:30:58.020 it's the roasted mushrooms and we can get them as an appetizer even though they're a side yeah

00:31:01.820 genius by the way yeah recommend to all listeners okay a side can be an appetizer it's huge okay so

00:31:07.420 like so like roasted mushrooms sound great so yeah so so so so it's like i was like kate it's

00:31:14.580 the mushrooms okay oh no it was like this is more what it is i'm still because i'm not doing that

00:31:18.280 thing yet i go i think we should get the mushrooms i think the roasted mushrooms are going to be

00:31:23.400 infinitely more satisfying whatever and Kate this is the key of her psychology goes you're right

00:31:28.320 it was the mushrooms the whole time okay and and it was a mushroom the whole time like like

00:31:35.160 and what it revealed was Kate's desire for something to have to be absolutely certain

00:31:42.720 and so certain that it was inevitable right it was the mushrooms the whole time fate led us

00:31:48.280 to it being the mushrooms and that puts her at ease it's huge it's so big to your psychology

00:31:55.200 it's just so sensual and it's not far from mine right it's like part of my psychology so i can

00:32:02.260 recognize it in you desire for certainty and as you said fate this desire yeah inevitability yeah

00:32:08.180 this absolute truth that my own behavior my own nothing could interrupt it that nothing could

00:32:12.760 get me away from that it was always going to be the mushrooms and i can surrender forever but

00:32:16.820 and that certainty is like so much of something i chase and something i'm having to let go of

00:32:22.180 right as i strive to be an adult but wow but it's also it's also i think there's something very

00:32:28.380 joyous and it's almost a hyperbole as you know maybe this is one of the lovely facets of the

00:32:34.540 hyperbole that you and i so enjoy and that trump almost took from us i don't want to talk about

00:32:39.500 but but anyway it was like we start now we start talking about trump right do the entire

00:32:45.960 what if poog what if poog was like what if poog was like cheeto man i was gonna say cheeto man 0.52

00:32:54.540 over here he wants to sleep with his daughter oh my god who doesn't what if poog became like 0.63

00:33:03.560 just hell what if poog was us being like 2020 was a dumpster fire i know i know so wait where

00:33:11.860 were we because it was deeply exciting oh the mushrooms right you're the certainty and then

00:33:15.580 i'm trying to think where else and so oh oh hyperbole so it's like it's like one of the

00:33:19.660 joys of hyper that is a version of hyperbole to me that's joyful is to just choose to believe

00:33:24.500 that it was the mushrooms the whole time like isn't it more fun and we love doing that right

00:33:28.560 like i feel like even like when we would go to um like you imbued uh russian samovar or whatever

00:33:33.800 samovar in new york city on what like 57th and 8th or something yeah and like and you imbued that

00:33:40.120 with a kind of meaning okay and you get into this thing where it's got to be samovar it's got to be

00:33:43.280 samovar we got to go to samovar okay yeah and then it sort of takes on this meaning that's

00:33:47.020 another level and it's like it's like it's fated to be that restaurant it's fated yes i just should

00:33:51.380 we talk about restaurants a little bit for fun it's no because i'll start weeping because it's

00:33:55.240 the only purpose of life is to be in restaurants and but you're right there's certain when was the

00:34:00.400 restaurant invented is a huge question for me i have a theory but i'm not sure and i and guess

00:34:05.020 what you've never considered it right you've never considered it i completely i'm stunned

00:34:09.380 All right, maybe we'll, okay, we'll go to break, and you revel in that.

00:34:12.320 Okay.

00:34:16.160 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:34:20.220 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:34:25.460 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:34:29.340 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:34:30.540 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:34:34.280 No, I am not your guru.

00:34:37.540 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:34:42.980 There were years, right, where I could not say your name.

00:34:45.960 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:34:54.800 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:34:59.380 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.95

00:35:02.140 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. 0.90

00:35:06.420 This is The Red Weather.

00:35:09.740 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:35:21.080 By the way, welcome back for the break.

00:35:23.260 I just want to say, guess who's on the right side of the bed now?

00:35:26.420 And see, I knew this.

00:35:27.160 I woke up and I said, well, thank God I have pooged today because it's really going to bring me out of this moment.

00:35:31.360 i'm gonna get to talk to jacqueline and i'm going to be reimbued with you know the the stuff of life

00:35:37.060 and it happened to me it did that big laugh bringing back to the is mushrooms the whole time

00:35:42.000 and then kind of being able to romanticize of you know the world the old world the before

00:35:46.940 when was the restaurant invited i know we've got some sociological archaeological tap tap on the

00:35:53.800 keys here i go i felt panic when i when i said that when you said should i look it up because

00:35:58.360 i just realized oh god i don't know if i want to know because i have this idea in my head that i

00:36:02.720 really like but let's oh my god you're gonna love what i just read i have a feeling i have a feeling

00:36:07.960 does it involve prostitutes i mean i'm sure but that's not what i just read okay is it it started 0.90

00:36:12.540 with like in keeping there's two i just have to say it because there's two you're going to die

00:36:17.100 okay i'm ready let's just say it involved i can't even say it let's just say it involved

00:36:21.600 sorry i'm shaking with laughter i've never heard you pause that one let's just say it involves

00:36:27.020 restorative brawl no no no no

00:36:34.440 i'm shocked see i i thought it was gonna be blood sausage and and scrapple like in okay here we go

00:36:42.520 hallie lowenthal no shock here folks 1765 okay yes that's what i'm talking about all right

00:36:50.560 near the louvre no served served mostly restorative broth no yes so this is the first

00:37:01.240 time that people left the home now did they eat it there that's to me what a restaurant is right

00:37:05.340 it's not just i mean prepared what is a prepared food it's about public intimacy right of course

00:37:11.880 it's about community that need to that need to perform public intimacy and what could be more

00:37:16.620 intimate and more private give give us give us a little more is there a little more can you give 0.64

00:37:20.600 us because like i just trust me i'm searching i'm searching according to hmm by the way bullshit

00:37:27.120 paris i mean this is obviously a highly european you know fantasy of of of of history yeah yeah 0.97

00:37:35.440 they're like it was paris bitch i mean i've always pictured it when would someone go into a place 0.91

00:37:42.380 and have like when like when did personal services begin in that way right so you have blacksmiths 0.95

00:37:49.300 and um and uh here we go 11 a.d china 1100 a.d so that sounds a little more there it is that's more

00:37:55.780 let's hear it that's the that's the real stuff yes 1972 in italy yeah exactly exactly the communal

00:38:03.060 table see that's incredible what are your thoughts on a communal table i classically loathe detest

00:38:10.420 of course okay traditionally speaking it is absolute hell and i'm tired of them trying to

00:38:17.180 pass it off as it's like you're outside the louvre i had one magical communal dining experience

00:38:22.960 here i go folks it was tokyo oh no are you serious you've been tokyo and here i go or was it kyoto

00:38:30.980 no this was tokyo this was tokyo the blind donkey check it out fantastic known as the

00:38:36.640 Chez Panisse of Japan.

00:38:38.380 Never heard of that either.

00:38:39.980 Chez Panisse?

00:38:41.200 Is it in Paris, Kate?

00:38:42.700 Berkeley, California.

00:38:44.300 The invention of farm-to-table dining.

00:38:47.520 The mistress of California cuisine, Alice Waters.

00:38:51.020 Okay, you and your L.A. references.

00:38:53.440 Your Brandy Melville, for example.

00:38:55.460 How dare you?

00:38:56.600 Chez Panisse, by the way.

00:38:57.800 Your Brandy Melville. 1.00

00:38:59.240 I did to bring her down to size. 0.99

00:39:01.680 Okay, because- 1.00

00:39:02.240 Farm-to-table cooking. 0.66

00:39:03.300 my aunt and her farm organic farm supplies a lot of the produce to chez panice okay actually we

00:39:09.120 have to cut that it's too much of a brag but uh keep it i like it but uh chez panice is a

00:39:16.620 essential and it was hard for me to say i don't know it was hard for me to say i don't know listen

00:39:20.900 i'm sorry to shame you chez panice is divine when the world comes back we will go it's in berkeley

00:39:25.620 alice waters is this famous chef she's known as i think kind of the you know the farm's table

00:39:30.180 dining you know she was the the the the worshipping the the ingredients the produce

00:39:35.340 worshipping truly worshiping is this restaurant that's in a beautiful craftsman home there's the

00:39:45.760 upstairs one which is kind of the more casual dining and then there's the downstairs which

00:39:49.460 is more formal dining okay but they have and it's like the open kitchen and you're watching the you

00:39:54.300 know you're watching them saute the the vegetables and the the what have you and there's you know

00:39:59.640 bread and cherries cascading down the hardwood rolling down the hardwood like bowling balls

00:40:07.980 without the bumpers just rolling across the floors and they get stomped under the under

00:40:12.980 the naked feet of those who worship at the altar of ingredients

00:40:16.160 smashing castel vetranos why are you laughing i really needed this laughter because you're so

00:40:23.840 funny i'm sweating i finally take off my jacket i've been freezing all morning i thought there

00:40:27.860 was something funny going on behind me i didn't know what had happened have you ever been on

00:40:33.160 stage doing stand-up comedy we're not going to talk about comedy but have you ever been on stage

00:40:36.400 doing stand-up comedy someone laughs and you turn around thinking something funny must be happening

00:40:39.780 behind you it's happened to me that's devastating yeah like surely it couldn't be me you ever start 0.93

00:40:46.140 laughing in the middle of your own set because god damn this stuff's good by the way by the way

00:40:52.300 i had a dream i had a dream have you ever had a dream about a bit that then you do on stage i know 0.91

00:40:56.720 we're that we will not talk about comedy on this podcast because being two comedians talking about

00:41:00.580 comedy is pure hell but listen i had a dream the other night and i truly wrote down i was like i'm

00:41:05.100 gonna do it on stage in my dream i was just doing push-ups on the stage very funny you're doing

00:41:12.080 push-ups i'm gonna start doing push-ups on stage no it's huge and you can right well i was thinking

00:41:17.400 it'd be a really fun opener coming out and just doing push-ups but then i thought maybe i would

00:41:21.000 do it throughout the set you coming out and doing them would obviously get people you know

00:41:26.680 on their feet right this is a way to kind of pump up the crowd and pump up myself well pumping up

00:41:33.680 the crowd as a practice is weird you know it's always made me uncomfortable i would love to see

00:41:40.000 you pump up the crowd no and what's funny is like that lives in me not in my comedian identity but

00:41:47.560 like you know i was the captain of my jv field hockey team now excuse me when it came time to

00:41:55.540 be a senior when like the skills mattered no longer was I captain okay I was loving life

00:42:00.280 making observations on the bench you know and upset when they put me in that was always the

00:42:04.620 feeling oh no they're putting me in but I'm nice and cozy on the bench but anyway yeah I remember

00:42:08.340 we would jog around the school and I wouldn't it be embarrassing if my memory did not serve

00:42:12.440 and and this didn't happen and then there were people on the team who were like that didn't

00:42:15.780 happen but I used to like we'd have to jog around the school like you know at the beginning do a 20

00:42:21.080 a jog to warm up for field hockey practice and i would sort of like tell these tales to like

00:42:26.320 inspire the group while we were running can you see that you can see me as a motivational like

00:42:30.580 exercise leader right i can see that i can see that deeply it's more about like then you're like

00:42:34.940 hot rah rah like that stuff is what's hard yeah and yet i was like be aggressive be aggressive

00:42:41.300 b-e-a-g-e-r-e-s-s-i-v-e i cannot believe this is there footage no but there is a picture of me

00:42:48.060 like with red cheeks like really red almost burnt like sleeping in my field hockey uniform on my bed

00:42:53.700 as a high schooler that you'll probably be like you'll love because I felt this need to do all

00:43:00.440 the things that were potentially things that are like a high school experience like I didn't want

00:43:05.220 to miss out on things like that like what if you know what I mean like like playing a sport like

00:43:11.100 am I not gonna have that scene like so I would I did like a lot of activities I was one of those

00:43:17.320 sorry back to the dream you're bringing up that i jumped about prom the other night which is again

00:43:21.080 one of those kind of oh well i regularly dream that it's prom or a dance at the school and i

00:43:27.860 don't have a dress or the dress oh also weddings showing up to weddings and i'm like oh my god i

00:43:34.320 don't have any of the clothes i'm trying to pull something together totally pull the mask together

00:43:40.440 you have like those stage streams or you know oh that's the show and you don't know your lines

00:43:44.020 that kind of thing oh yeah baby i did that recently where i had it was like opening night

00:43:48.240 some really this play this beautiful big theater went on stage didn't know my line so instead i i

00:43:53.400 had gum in my mouth and i just started blowing bubbles oh my god and uh the crowd loved it no

00:43:58.220 the crowd loved it okay i know they did oh i have a lot of dreams that i've forgotten that i am in

00:44:04.260 a play this sounds like what we just said but it's a specific there's a specific high school

00:44:09.080 musical thing i have and it's like i don't know the dance and it's like can i kind of just

00:44:14.080 hide in the back and yeah ain't that life ain't that life

00:44:18.720 listen when the world comes back you and i are getting in a car and we're going to

00:44:25.320 shape anise baby now are you are you gonna lead me are you a menu leader like our friend john

00:44:29.900 early who you know gets a mention in every episode is very like you have to you know it's

00:44:35.260 not it's the mushrooms the whole time it's you have to try that well honey their menu is seasonal

00:44:39.740 so it's changing so often you better not hold on to a beloved dish because it's going to slide

00:44:43.820 off the menu just the way the tomatoes slide off the vine and so you once called the tomato white

00:44:49.500 as a web browser um i don't remember that it's one of the funniest things you've ever said in

00:44:53.620 reference to a meal we had in scotland together it was an unright tomato um i think we talked

00:44:58.840 about this on an un-aired episode of food that's why i'm like yeah you and me once had a meal that

00:45:02.520 was promised to be greatness the food in edinburgh was so universally inedible it was the most

00:45:07.940 devastating culinary month of my entire life therefore worked for a month i had one great

00:45:12.640 meal 27 elliott's shout out fantastic food yeah everything else was unbearable and so i literally

00:45:19.280 could not locate a lemon okay it's kind of a brexit thing no lemons in sight going to i had

00:45:24.780 to go to three markets to find a goddamn lemon and so there was no acid there was nothing like 0.77

00:45:30.740 just a salad could not exist as far as i was concerned right anyway i found this place supposed 0.97

00:45:36.060 to be farm to table you know garden in the back we're in august you know oh great this will be

00:45:40.340 great the meal still was fantastic as we were screaming with laughter over candlelight with

00:45:44.560 cocktails it's one of the great night but i remember a tomato salad and thinking oh tomato

00:45:49.120 salad august seasonal yeah tomatoes come white as a web browser i suppose i said hard and i refuse

00:45:55.920 And I revisited the picture.

00:45:58.500 It's not completely white, but it deserves the hyperbole of white as a web browser.

00:46:03.360 Tomato is one of those things that like I can't do anything less than perfection.

00:46:08.260 Yeah, I don't want it.

00:46:09.160 OK, I have this is where having listeners counts.

00:46:12.460 Can someone in this I'll say country so the shipping isn't terrible.

00:46:16.460 Can someone get me a good tomato?

00:46:18.660 Listen, they're out of season.

00:46:20.680 You're not supposed to in the in the middle of February have a good tomato.

00:46:24.400 No, I don't care when that's fine. It can be in season, but I want the best tomato. I want the

00:46:28.860 best dirty girl produce. I'm not kidding. My other cousin there, I said it in Santa Cruz, 1.00

00:46:33.200 the most phenomenal tomatoes you will ever eat in your entire life. I promise you. Really?

00:46:37.980 So sweet that, I mean, you will truly consume eight of them. Unlike anything I've ever had.

00:46:43.060 Well, consumption of quantity is not going to be an issue. Believe me, I know I could eat tomato.

00:46:47.340 I'll see you in the summertime. You're going to get it. I'll see you in the summertime. I'm

00:46:50.980 sending you these tomatoes. You're going to fall to your knees, bake for forgiveness.

00:46:53.300 a little pepper on them ever a little salt and pepper or a little maldon a little flaky salt

00:46:58.200 on top a little maldon a little jacobson oh yeah maldon is um regularly uh pushed on the strategist

00:47:05.440 as a high-end yet useful gift i mean maldon changed everything for me what is that like

00:47:11.340 the tin of big salt it's flaky these crystals gorgeous crystals that make you weep right of

00:47:16.780 salt finishing salt it's finishing salt we put on everything salads right everything from salads

00:47:21.840 to uh soups no right it's not um it's not a teaspoon of maldon no of maldon okay so something

00:47:28.940 huge has happened i'm very ashamed our producer theta has gently informed me that it's maldon

00:47:36.000 not maldon and i just want to say that i am humiliated i have been laid bare this is what

00:47:43.840 i want to be stripped of my well this is the true humiliation because i mean because it's a bougie

00:47:51.440 here oh it's everything oh you put it and by the way if you could see my pantry i have a box of

00:47:56.440 malden i like prefer maldon i have a box of it i have a travel size tin that i've been known to

00:48:02.980 take with me if you're going away for a weekend or a few days and you want to make sure you have

00:48:07.560 the right salt out of the purse my mother actually a few mere weeks ago held up you know through the

00:48:13.500 glass the covid friendly viewing a industrial sized drum of malden and being like i accidentally

00:48:22.080 ordered this i mean it was a restaurant size tub my grandmother bon tons okay bon tons b-o-n-t-o-n

00:48:31.000 i guess was like a department store of some kind okay and she always pronounced it bon ton

00:48:35.740 unfortunately i have no association so it's not um i know i believed that that's why i gave you

00:48:42.240 the context of it being the name of play i felt i felt like you could go there with malden drop

00:48:47.680 your malden stories in the in the chat malden and and start to source for me tomatoes for later in

00:48:53.800 the year listen to me jorda girl produce we're getting you the tomatoes are there any plant

00:48:57.620 people out there also i'm looking for a jungle i've noticed we haven't been begging enough on

00:49:03.500 the podcast recently it's been all notions it's been all heart uh and soul well what have i been

00:49:08.400 realizing like there's been a distinct lack of hair stuff hair stuff i need new shampoo there i

00:49:13.980 said it i'll recommend one i could use something for my horse hair i have to get a haircut it's 0.80

00:49:18.740 down to my goddamn ankles i want pjs pjs i'm until right now i want lingerie i want slips

00:49:24.860 i want pajamas i want garter belts and shelves for me if anyone's got any modular storage solutions 0.99

00:49:32.340 i will take modular artesian modular is what i'm interested in i'll take modular because i my life

00:49:38.340 has become out of control and I need to organize and shed. But yeah, I would love sleepwear,

00:49:42.980 loungewear, lingerie and tequila. If you're asking yourself, well, I do have this business,

00:49:48.960 I could send this, but this doesn't seem relevant to Poog. You are wrong. Send, send, send, send. 0.99

00:49:53.800 There's a there's a there's a Gmail address waiting for you. Don't risk getting lost in the

00:49:59.780 DMs, as I always say. And again, I'm worried that my tequila shout out maybe got muddled there.

00:50:03.820 tequila preferably a blanco preferably a blanco although the reposado i will take obviously

00:50:10.660 you know any artesian um any natural wines also it doesn't have to be artesian by the way i want

00:50:16.820 to be clear i'm happy to take things that are toxic as well okay because i don't want to limit

00:50:21.780 myself by the way no we can't get into the very end but are we worried about mold i suddenly had

00:50:26.380 a fear of mold growing in the in the walls and making me sick beyond comprehension i'm fine

00:50:31.580 you've been fearing mold really since 92 yeah i remember kidding anytime i see any mold i think

00:50:37.560 of you saying black mold black mold black mold okay you're always afraid of black mold in new

00:50:42.000 york city really see it's so great to hear that because i have no memory of that okay we have to

00:50:46.980 wrap it up so any you know i'm old devices we're interested in home kits although terrified what

00:50:53.380 the kit says yeah i've got mold and then what i'm screwed so actually i don't want the mold test

00:50:57.800 for that. I'm fine. No, no mold test. Fuck it. Live free. And, um, but seriously, uh, the,

00:51:01.900 the Gmail is the best way folks. Post, subscribe, um, renew and send.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - March 02, 2021

It Was the Mushrooms the Whole Time

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