Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Six is a Great Number

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00:02:39.400 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:40.880 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

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00:02:53.900 Today's topic, loosely speaking, animatronics.

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00:03:32.060 so fun to think about

00:03:33.140 the airplane rides

00:03:34.460 oh my god

00:03:35.660 so fun to think about

00:03:36.820 oh I was gonna say slippers

00:03:39.100 will I bring slippers

00:03:40.380 hmm

00:03:41.680 Well, is the slippers to get you, if our rooms are not adjoining, is it to get you to my room?

00:03:46.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:47.280 Because I'm imagining also, because depending on the hotels, you know, by the way, hotels are not fully booked.

00:03:52.500 So folks, you can respond.

00:03:55.220 We wait.

00:03:55.960 Yeah.

00:03:56.620 It's so funny.

00:03:57.280 My uncle works at Four Seasons headquarters.

00:04:00.380 That's so funny.

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00:04:04.000 Yeah.

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00:04:10.980 imagine me imagine me running i just had a fantasy me in my bathrobe slippers running to

00:04:17.980 your room for room service well yes and and this is why i've already started doing my research

00:04:23.060 and you know i have photo albums full so i when i go on the road i take photos photos photos of

00:04:28.240 the hotels i stay in of course in the city so that when i return baby i know where i'm headed

00:04:34.200 Wow

00:04:34.820 And I'm not forgetting

00:04:35.800 And I have my own

00:04:37.080 I'm not going to write a review in a journal 1.00

00:04:38.960 I've tried that shit 0.99

00:04:39.840 Okay 0.99

00:04:40.100 I don't mean a review publicly

00:04:41.220 I would never

00:04:41.840 Private

00:04:42.680 Yeah

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00:04:44.260 Documents get lost

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00:04:47.020 They stay

00:04:47.660 So

00:04:48.380 Point is

00:04:48.940 We're open

00:04:49.400 Our key values

00:04:51.040 I would say our room service late

00:04:52.980 I mean I think that's a key value

00:04:55.300 Now will I stay

00:04:56.340 In a place that's phenomenal

00:04:57.940 That doesn't have that

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00:05:00.120 If Uber Eats

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00:05:03.500 Is available

00:05:04.180 It's super available and I know there's good options.

00:05:08.040 Yes.

00:05:08.420 I'm excited for Javas.

00:05:10.560 I'm excited to experience different Javas across the nation.

00:05:13.140 I'm envisioning a lot of conversations where you're in your room and it's like,

00:05:18.560 I'm going to order room service.

00:05:20.080 Should I put in the order now?

00:05:21.960 And then it starts with you and can you ask for hot steamed milk?

00:05:25.700 Okay.

00:05:26.200 And then me saying, just come over.

00:05:27.900 Okay.

00:05:28.180 And it's like, yeah.

00:05:28.920 Cute.

00:05:29.320 Just get over and then we order together.

00:05:31.400 You know, it's going to be really fun too.

00:05:32.600 So excited.

00:05:33.080 sleepover after the shows

00:05:35.560 in the robes

00:05:37.220 ordering maybe a late night snack

00:05:38.980 if we've had dinner

00:05:39.700 or maybe it's dinner in the room

00:05:41.280 who knows

00:05:41.800 cackling

00:05:42.720 I wonder if you'll be more interested

00:05:44.080 in coming to my room

00:05:44.940 or having me come to yours

00:05:46.620 I'm convinced

00:05:47.820 it's coming to my room

00:05:49.000 for some reason

00:05:49.360 why do I feel that?

00:05:50.820 I think it's because

00:05:51.520 we both secretly know

00:05:52.740 I'm gonna

00:05:53.540 I'm gonna want to

00:05:54.640 I'm gonna pay through the nose

00:05:55.940 to have a bigger room

00:05:56.960 you're gonna cheap out

00:05:58.040 my room's gonna become

00:05:59.580 my room's gonna become the

00:06:01.380 I even was like fantasizing about it a little bit.

00:06:06.480 I was like, oh my gosh, should I shock Kate?

00:06:08.840 Pay a little more. 0.73

00:06:09.680 Presidential suite. 1.00

00:06:10.300 And then like she comes to my room and is like, holy shit. 1.00

00:06:12.740 Yeah, yeah, totally. 0.99

00:06:14.340 I'm just, yeah, I'm getting excited.

00:06:15.680 When I was a child and we were going to, like, it was like there was a trip planned to go to Rye Playland, the amusement park in Rye, New York.

00:06:25.500 I would be excited for like months in advance, like once the date was locked.

00:06:28.400 and I would like be like running into my parents

00:06:30.220 and be like, let's talk about Playland.

00:06:31.620 Let's talk about what rides are we going to go on?

00:06:33.560 You know what I mean?

00:06:34.160 Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:06:35.180 And I'm feeling that a little bit now.

00:06:37.020 And yeah, it's really about,

00:06:39.640 we've been in hotels before and hotel rooms before.

00:06:42.360 We have.

00:06:42.680 We've shared hotel rooms before.

00:06:43.980 Many times.

00:06:44.840 Actually like multiple times.

00:06:47.080 And we will not be sharing.

00:06:49.380 We want our own bathrooms, et cetera.

00:06:51.400 Sure, sure, sure.

00:06:52.320 There's almost, by the way,

00:06:53.520 I just had a real moment where I go,

00:06:56.120 I know you're going to think,

00:06:56.900 oh, it's the cheapo in me.

00:06:58.400 what is sharing there might be an argument for a couple cities sharing for fun oh it's the cheap

00:07:04.300 because we're talking no we're talking about one night no well you know it's it's it's um

00:07:11.380 it's compelling i think it's compelling when you're talking about just a couple

00:07:17.200 like although you know it can be restorative to connect with your partner late sure sure no i

00:07:26.520 understand completely while we'll be together okay you know what here's what i'm pitching here's

00:07:30.480 what i'm pitching one of them for fun come on one of them that's fun admit it that's fun

00:07:37.300 totally one night or nothing where like i'm like one night i mean well here's the question if it's

00:07:44.020 truly not about the cheapo oh yeah there we go for this i'm like then have the rooms and just

00:07:48.480 sleep over one night or two or five no i think i think we get i think one of these one of these

00:07:55.900 cities we get a hotel room i have dreamed of two bedroom suite but those are like presidential and

00:08:01.220 they guys are crazy yeah exactly i'm just thinking maybe one of these hotels it might be really fun

00:08:07.240 got an empty suite they all come on the suite's always booked come on yeah god it's fun imagine

00:08:14.260 us mincing around a uh a uh suite cackling in the night oh my god unreal how's your restless leg

00:08:23.120 coffee in the morning well yeah yeah it's um better any memories of us sharing a bed yeah

00:08:28.400 yeah um well i have such a strong memory jack kind of waking up what no what needing chex mix

00:08:37.060 no i remember i have a memory of waking up i don't know what city we're in you couldn't sleep

00:08:41.680 you were you're you were sitting up in bed with your eyes closed your head back

00:08:46.160 like in some kind of meditation or some kind of trance yeah and i was like it's that thing of

00:08:53.080 when you're being woken up and again as an only child it was for me it was kind of fun oh this

00:08:57.120 would be like if your sister was annoying you yeah because when you're like asleep and someone's

00:09:01.220 keeping you awake and you regress violently to the place of childhood and i remember looking at

00:09:07.000 you silently except you wouldn't regress childly because you didn't have that right right and

00:09:11.200 imagine also not everyone can't sleep because they're they're i mean first of all a lot of

00:09:15.660 people don't share rooms no of course but i just i just mean the annoyance with one's sister

00:09:20.800 something that i yes no it's just that in the past you've mentioned this like annoyance with

00:09:27.020 me when you couldn't sleep i just remember this and you doing this like well as an only child

00:09:32.840 you know like like and i'm neither i'm like it's fine to just be annoyed it might not be only child

00:09:39.680 it might just be you're not is all i'm saying no i'm saying there's a pleasure and there's a

00:09:45.200 cosiness and being annoyed at you yes yes yes that's what i'm saying so waking up in the night

00:09:49.220 and being like my sister's waking me up yeah yeah anyway i do want to i do want to put in a vote

00:09:56.760 for a one night i think a one night to me the biggest well here it is to me the biggest um

00:10:05.100 the front runners for sharing a room would be portland because it's the first one

00:10:10.680 my vote is

00:10:13.280 Portland

00:10:13.820 Seattle

00:10:14.760 or

00:10:16.460 DC

00:10:18.260 I'm just

00:10:22.700 fascinated

00:10:23.340 why these are the ones

00:10:24.280 I don't know

00:10:24.680 it all depends

00:10:25.420 on the hotel

00:10:26.480 it all depends

00:10:27.100 on the hotel

00:10:27.400 I mean my

00:10:28.340 but I just

00:10:29.280 to me

00:10:29.840 something in me

00:10:30.500 just panics

00:10:31.320 at the idea of like

00:10:32.140 booking one room

00:10:33.140 being locked into that

00:10:34.140 I don't know

00:10:35.020 if it can happen

00:10:35.540 Gabe

00:10:35.800 I'd rather

00:10:36.920 one night

00:10:37.720 sleep over one night

00:10:39.540 again

00:10:40.480 I'd rather have the option

00:10:41.680 like I'll pay for my room

00:10:43.660 you see this is what would happen

00:10:45.720 it'd be like

00:10:46.360 I have to pay for your room too

00:10:48.060 I have to pay for two rooms

00:10:49.980 if I want to create this option for myself

00:10:51.820 we'll figure it out

00:10:55.500 well it's still hot in Los Angeles

00:10:59.080 despite it being

00:11:01.040 this late in October

00:11:03.280 where are you with Halloween?

00:11:06.280 you're wondering about costume again?

00:11:08.160 no I just

00:11:08.600 I was just curious

00:11:09.440 Like, where are you with Halloween?

00:11:10.760 Like, I know that you decorate the house and I really long for, I long for a life where

00:11:15.000 I have, you know, intense haunted front yard for the kids.

00:11:19.040 My dream Halloween would be to be home.

00:11:21.100 Exactly.

00:11:21.860 Dressed up with a couple loved ones, entertaining children.

00:11:26.760 A couple loved ones.

00:11:28.380 Scaring children, entertaining children.

00:11:30.420 Yeah.

00:11:30.720 A couple loved ones is like the coziest thing I've ever heard.

00:11:34.820 Like a small group and I, okay.

00:11:39.440 So here's where I'm at with Halloween.

00:11:41.420 I had this cocktail and it gave me this idea.

00:11:43.640 And now I want to do like haunted cocktails.

00:11:45.540 You know what I mean?

00:11:46.040 That have like ghosts floating out of them.

00:11:48.300 Yeah, eyeballs.

00:11:49.040 Okay, it's the one chance.

00:11:49.980 Yes, yes.

00:11:50.780 I had that as a kid.

00:11:51.740 My mom, Helen, thank you, threw me a Halloween party where everything was orange.

00:11:57.460 All the food was orange.

00:11:58.820 Oh my God.

00:12:00.680 Yeah, I dream of imagining. 0.96

00:12:03.040 My surrogate aunt at the time dressed up as an alien, landed on the roof.

00:12:09.440 as if santa style but an alien came down to scare the children i was petrified

00:12:18.060 looking up i think too old to be that scared but i just remember it was real you thought it was

00:12:24.360 real i remember i mean can you imagine middle of a party everyone's having fun and all of a sudden

00:12:27.520 what's that boom on the roof something's happening an alien comes down go it's a it's a and when you

00:12:34.020 say the roof how did how did the aunt get in sorry so lands on the roof there's like there's

00:12:38.900 like a staircase up it's weird in the house but there's this little landing area on the roof that

00:12:42.860 you can go outside on but it's very small there's like a little railing so it was like i think i

00:12:46.560 sat out she was there yeah and then it was like you know an alien that's amazing well that came

00:12:53.020 down back to my fantasy i'm just sorry imagining the group of six okay six is a great number okay

00:12:59.620 Including hosts?

00:13:01.720 You're included in the six or six guests?

00:13:04.520 I was included.

00:13:05.380 No, no, no, six guests.

00:13:06.280 Yeah.

00:13:06.620 Okay, interesting.

00:13:07.280 Oh, no, I think I was...

00:13:08.120 No.

00:13:08.720 Yeah, I guess six guests.

00:13:09.960 I don't know.

00:13:10.600 Six guests.

00:13:10.980 It's sort of a feeling, okay?

00:13:12.280 Yeah.

00:13:12.660 And it's just enough number where...

00:13:15.640 It's a number where people aren't really splitting off into conversations unless like...

00:13:19.980 I think it's haunted...

00:13:21.140 Two people go to the bathroom.

00:13:22.200 Okay, it's horror movies.

00:13:23.420 Right.

00:13:23.640 I mean, kitchen.

00:13:24.440 Okay.

00:13:25.340 Refilling in the kitchen and then as they emerge, they finish it up, okay?

00:13:29.180 Movies on, boys.

00:13:30.640 Yeah.

00:13:31.220 Okay.

00:13:31.620 So horror movies.

00:13:33.500 Uh-huh.

00:13:33.940 Special freaky cocktails, et cetera.

00:13:36.620 But isn't the movie being constantly interrupted by trick-or-treaters?

00:13:39.300 This is what I'm saying.

00:13:40.680 Okay.

00:13:41.080 Yes.

00:13:42.000 But that's the spirit of the night.

00:13:43.500 Okay.

00:13:44.040 So you're there in the dark.

00:13:45.120 You're watching.

00:13:45.880 And then you scream when the doorbell.

00:13:48.160 Ding dong.

00:13:48.820 Right.

00:13:49.100 Okay.

00:13:49.300 And that's part of it.

00:13:50.060 You know it's going to be interrupted by trick-or-treaters.

00:13:52.220 In fact, you're kind of hoping for it.

00:13:53.560 Yeah.

00:13:53.860 Yeah.

00:13:54.100 You're not putting on interstellar.

00:13:55.760 You know, you're putting on something.

00:13:57.380 No, no.

00:13:57.940 It's, it's, I mean, I also kind of like, like do the monster mash, you know, like, like those like Halloween, like mixes.

00:14:06.280 Like I kind of enjoy that.

00:14:07.480 Yeah.

00:14:07.960 A little like, there's a very, like, yeah, I could see it.

00:14:10.900 I could feel it.

00:14:11.620 And then, and then that would be heaven.

00:14:14.720 And then also I could also see early evening is out on the porch, out on the front, whatever, waiting for the children and scaring them.

00:14:25.320 And then as it gets later and it slows down a little bit, then you go and you start the movies.

00:14:33.480 But my dreams are every year, I swear to myself that I'm going to take advantage of the post-Halloween sales, CVS, et cetera, and get the animatronics.

00:14:44.240 Because I love animatronics, the battery-operated, noise-activated little freaks.

00:14:48.900 There's some incredible stuff at CVS this year.

00:14:51.060 My cousin was talking all about this at Home Depot.

00:14:52.640 there's this famous my cousins that you know they all there's like a lot of kids everyone's

00:14:57.420 talking about the home depot skeleton there's like this like famous home depot skeleton that

00:15:02.520 everyone buys interesting it was like 250 bucks oh oh yeah cheap not cheap does it i was thinking

00:15:10.500 60 bucks no yeah i'm not even sure they just were talking about it and they were remarking on how

00:15:14.340 expensive it is well how they get bought up all the parents in town run out and buy them up well

00:15:19.180 interestingly at cvs right now everything is already buy one get one okay and there's a witch

00:15:25.200 on a rocking chair it's phenomenal and then the thing that i've played with in the past is you

00:15:29.720 take the animatronic and you you undress it okay you get it down to its parts because it's simple

00:15:37.720 movement simple machinery movement so it's like noise activated you know what were the arms do i

00:15:43.160 want those to be arms do i want those to be wings do i want those to be eyeballs could be anything

00:15:47.300 right

00:15:48.160 so utilizing

00:15:49.380 like

00:15:50.160 I'm paying for the programming

00:15:51.740 and then you dress it yourself

00:15:53.500 dress it yourself

00:15:54.920 and

00:15:55.260 and imagine if you

00:15:56.800 got

00:15:57.480 30 of them

00:15:59.180 okay

00:15:59.780 and lined

00:16:00.600 lined the roof line

00:16:02.480 incredible

00:16:03.300 and people walk by

00:16:03.860 and 30

00:16:04.660 either

00:16:05.580 you know

00:16:06.320 witches and rocking chairs 1.00

00:16:07.260 erupt in gyration 1.00

00:16:08.460 not doing anything

00:16:09.260 or

00:16:09.660 yeah

00:16:10.400 it really enchants me

00:16:13.400 and

00:16:14.100 I always say

00:16:14.680 I'm going to buy them up

00:16:15.400 at the end of the season

00:16:16.280 when they get really cheap and then i'm like not in the mood what do you think about because i'm

00:16:23.940 on actual halloween i'm not going to be in town oh really but i feel devastated to think of

00:16:28.700 trick-or-treaters coming by to nothing i believe in leaving something yeah i'm going to leave

00:16:33.860 something on the porch i'm gonna have my my neighbor flip on my porch light yeah um you

00:16:40.120 oh want to start want to start crying about community i'm telling you something really quick

00:16:43.720 Our neighbors, one of them, kind of new, a bunch of people live in this house.

00:16:49.900 One of them's a florist, has started putting out buckets of free flowers, beautiful flowers.

00:16:53.860 No.

00:16:54.600 Yeah. 0.98

00:16:55.500 I fucking go over there. 0.99

00:16:57.800 I have made arrangements. 0.99

00:16:59.020 I'm going to bring this into frame.

00:17:00.480 Look at this.

00:17:01.840 These were some of the flowers.

00:17:03.360 No.

00:17:03.960 Can you believe this?

00:17:04.500 Beautiful.

00:17:05.040 I have another identical arrangement like this.

00:17:06.520 I'm seeing, by the way, you're pixelated.

00:17:08.580 So I'm just, I'm seeing a deep blush color, a pale pink and a third flower in a magenta that.

00:17:17.620 So beautiful.

00:17:18.800 Shocking pink, really.

00:17:19.340 It's classic shocking pink.

00:17:20.760 These are gorgeous roses.

00:17:22.440 These are, God, I always want to say amaranth.

00:17:24.420 That's what it is, right? 0.99

00:17:26.160 The flower with the dick through it. 0.99

00:17:29.440 Should I look it up? 0.99

00:17:30.340 I don't know.

00:17:30.800 Wait, so is it rose or amaranth?

00:17:32.400 I can't tell.

00:17:32.780 No, there's rose and amaranth.

00:17:34.260 Okay.

00:17:35.500 Do you ever like when you're Googling something, you spell it so wrong that it just can't do anything with it?

00:17:41.420 But like you expect Google to get it, right?

00:17:43.660 Well, I do.

00:17:44.220 And I'm furious when-

00:17:45.440 It's not amaranth, but I love amaranth. 0.99

00:17:48.220 Cock suck. 0.99

00:17:48.960 I feel like I went through a period of amaranth cereal. 1.00

00:17:51.260 What is it? 0.98

00:17:51.820 The flower with the dick through it? 0.99

00:17:53.280 Don't know. 0.99

00:17:53.940 Don't know.

00:17:54.440 Okay.

00:17:54.760 Well, I love them.

00:17:56.120 I can picture it, but yeah.

00:17:57.260 And by the way, go down to the flower mart.

00:18:00.700 you're looking at

00:18:02.400 five dollars a stem

00:18:03.920 easy

00:18:04.700 yeah

00:18:05.120 and I mean easy

00:18:06.120 and if you go to one of these 0.97

00:18:07.060 real bougie florists

00:18:08.460 they're gonna 0.99

00:18:08.780 they're gonna fucking go 0.95

00:18:09.840 how about nine dollars 0.99

00:18:11.240 for a single stem

00:18:12.120 yeah

00:18:12.480 I got four of them for free

00:18:13.960 I got a huge arrangement

00:18:15.620 another

00:18:15.980 I'm tempted to show you

00:18:16.920 but it's too hard

00:18:17.700 and is it because

00:18:18.900 it's like

00:18:20.120 and that's

00:18:20.800 this thing where end of the day

00:18:21.700 these flowers are gonna die 0.70

00:18:23.040 yes

00:18:23.400 they're florists

00:18:24.360 they're working at an event

00:18:25.400 at the end of the day

00:18:26.020 look at all these beautiful flowers

00:18:27.100 what am I gonna do

00:18:27.800 so listen to this

00:18:28.960 she puts them out

00:18:30.060 on the big buckets yesterday.

00:18:32.040 I go through, get some.

00:18:33.280 I wanted more,

00:18:34.240 but I was like,

00:18:34.560 I'm going to leave some for the neighbors.

00:18:36.100 I'm going to leave some for the neighbors.

00:18:37.560 This morning, wake up,

00:18:39.200 plenty are left.

00:18:39.920 I go, well, now I'm taking them

00:18:41.180 because by tomorrow,

00:18:42.320 they need to be thrown away.

00:18:44.180 That's, I think that's the right,

00:18:45.860 that's the right move.

00:18:46.540 Can you believe how sweet?

00:18:47.820 And I already, I was saying,

00:18:49.120 I said, I think this is the year 0.99

00:18:50.340 I'm going to fucking do it. 0.99

00:18:51.360 I'm baking cookies for the neighborhood. 0.99

00:18:52.760 I'm doing it.

00:18:53.340 I'm baking cookies.

00:18:54.520 Yeah.

00:18:54.860 I'm taking them across the street.

00:18:56.180 Everyone.

00:18:56.660 I'm taking them next door.

00:18:57.640 Interesting.

00:18:57.960 Not everyone.

00:18:58.620 All at once,

00:18:58.900 the whole, blast the whole neighborhood.

00:19:00.720 I think I do a big batch.

00:19:01.800 I worry that that's too, I think it's one house at a time.

00:19:05.440 Not the whole neighborhood though.

00:19:06.520 Cause there's really only two, you know what?

00:19:08.200 There are three homes.

00:19:09.300 There's three neighbors that I feel like chatty with a bit.

00:19:12.600 So I think the three, three homes,

00:19:15.740 three batches of cookies with a note, ding dong,

00:19:20.320 kind of terrifying, ring the doorbell, disrupt.

00:19:23.300 Yeah, I mean, I mean, ultimately I think ding dong

00:19:26.180 is like an action aggressive that,

00:19:29.800 I mean, I think in this day and age,

00:19:31.820 you just cannot knock on someone's door.

00:19:34.440 And even with cookies in hand,

00:19:35.800 it almost becomes like,

00:19:37.280 this is the beginning of every horror movie.

00:19:40.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:40.920 No, you can't do that.

00:19:41.640 I think, here's what's hard though.

00:19:44.240 What about people with dogs?

00:19:46.300 You can't enter.

00:19:48.500 Leave the chocolate out there?

00:19:49.480 And you can't leave the cookies

00:19:50.840 because the dogs get them.

00:19:53.120 just falling apart on us you know big plan i know yeah yeah i'm thinking about one neighbor

00:20:00.440 particular the front door is behind i know what you have to do gate they have dogs right yeah

00:20:05.520 so actually you know what those neighbors are always out run out what when you see them walking

00:20:10.280 the dog so you have your little box of cookies ready ready to go and with a little ribbon tied

00:20:16.000 around it and you're you know and you look out and go oh and then you're running out and you're

00:20:21.500 on your territory you're not encroaching on theirs and you're just like i wanted i made these you

00:20:25.360 know i made this for a couple couple folks in the neighborhood oh that's great that's great okay you

00:20:29.440 hand it off so excited to do it thank you and they go on their way and and they're not going

00:20:33.180 to linger too long because you're already running back in the door you're in you're in slippers

00:20:37.560 you're you're barefoot and i also have a huge announcement because part of what makes this

00:20:41.300 daunting right baking because i'm not i'm i'm getting back into cooking it's coming back finally

00:20:45.780 the covid trauma of cooking is finally waning the joy is flooding back the romance of it

00:20:51.600 flooding back romantic activity cooking it's all coming back the cookie thing i start to

00:20:56.900 freeze up around oh i'm making cookies in my darkest hour where i go am i really going to

00:21:01.200 do it this year am i really going to bake cookies for the neighbors you want to every year you never

00:21:04.540 do it here's how to release any daunting element of it some of these specialty food stores have

00:21:12.260 pre-made cookies i'm talking about a log chop chop chop in the oven they go obviously you can

00:21:18.280 get freaking toll house at pavilions whatever yeah i'm talking about an artisanal log that you slice

00:21:24.400 and put them in the do you say these these are scratch well that's where it becomes meaningless

00:21:30.800 no no i pass them off as my own well i don't say i made them scratch they're clearly like look like

00:21:35.700 they're they're out of the oven no they're definitely out of the oven but you didn't

00:21:39.640 make them from scratch scratch scratch is implied if i come over with it i'm saying are you trying

00:21:45.540 to pass them off as as scratch yes yes of course it doesn't but then then why like what's the joy

00:21:52.340 in this at all wow of the passing it off what's the meaning here but what am i going to say

00:21:57.720 i know these look like i made them from scratch but i got them at cookbook

00:22:00.980 no it's like what i'm saying is does it give you joy here's here's what i'm saying does it give

00:22:08.580 you joy i see what you're saying to give i think it might okay i think it might be totally valid

00:22:13.900 to be like i made a bunch of batches of this it's from it's from the the cookbook uh log and

00:22:20.900 it's incredible like yeah like i got the dough i get there like not how i got the dough for like

00:22:27.220 not from scratch i got the dough from cookbook but trust me i want cookbook yeah yeah it's like

00:22:31.760 it's like fresh baked in my uh my heaven and whatever it's it's just well here's what i'm

00:22:35.920 imagining. Passing off is meaningless because here's what I do. Let's say I leave. I think

00:22:40.400 what's going to happen. One of my, a couple of my neighbors are often out or like someone in

00:22:43.880 the family's out. I think I catch them in person, but let's just say I leave the cookies, leave,

00:22:48.760 then run into them on the street. Oh, did you get my cookies? They go, yes. Oh my God. That

00:22:52.820 was so kind. And my God, those were delicious. That's the crucial moment. Cause one version is

00:22:57.580 I go, oh, I'm so glad you enjoyed them. Have a great holiday. What the hell is that? Second

00:23:02.780 version is, I wish I could say

00:23:04.820 I made them from scratch. I'll be

00:23:06.740 honest then. I guess honesty has to win.

00:23:08.760 I wish I could say I made it from scratch.

00:23:11.000 I bought the log.

00:23:12.300 I bought the log and sliced them off, but

00:23:14.160 somebody made them from scratch.

00:23:17.140 I just, I'm trying to

00:23:18.920 I have no problem

00:23:20.700 with any of these things. You're just saying

00:23:22.480 the joy might be minimized if I don't

00:23:24.580 physically make them. Yeah, no, I think you might be right.

00:23:26.840 I think you might be right.

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00:27:13.420 Martha Stewart is a huge part, is going to be a huge part of my life.

00:27:19.500 By the way, Martha Stewart, everyone needs to look this up.

00:27:22.560 Her first book, it's called Entertaining.

00:27:25.040 Yeah.

00:27:25.280 it's from like 1912

00:27:27.180 it's unbelievable 0.99

00:27:28.300 this fucking book 1.00

00:27:29.980 this woman 1.00

00:27:30.500 shows 1.00

00:27:31.380 here's how to do this 1.00

00:27:32.660 she goes 1.00

00:27:33.260 here's how to throw a wedding 1.00

00:27:34.260 in your backyard

00:27:34.900 are you hearing this

00:27:35.780 yeah 0.95

00:27:36.260 she goes 1.00

00:27:36.920 here's what to cook 1.00

00:27:37.700 for a wedding 1.00

00:27:38.200 here's what to cook

00:27:39.040 for an Easter brunch

00:27:39.840 here's what to cook

00:27:40.800 a wedding 1.00

00:27:41.860 unbelievable 1.00

00:27:42.500 she's chopping wood 1.00

00:27:43.780 and by the way

00:27:45.240 holiday season coming up

00:27:46.580 Martha Stewart

00:27:47.440 home

00:27:48.480 you can watch them on YouTube

00:27:49.820 Martha Stewart Living

00:27:50.960 what was the show called

00:27:51.680 where she's there

00:27:52.600 she's

00:27:53.020 I typed it in the other day 0.56

00:27:55.040 She's standing there with a puppy in her hands.

00:27:56.760 It's the 90s.

00:27:57.880 Oh, wow.

00:27:58.300 And she's talking about making her own wreaths

00:28:00.060 and how her father used to chop down the trees

00:28:01.780 and taught her how to make her own wreath.

00:28:03.880 Oh, my God.

00:28:04.420 We have fallen so far.

00:28:06.940 I'm joking.

00:28:08.260 We have fallen so far.

00:28:10.200 And that is it because I wasn't raised with crafts.

00:28:13.520 Yeah. 0.63

00:28:13.760 I was raised with a mother who was an impeccable, 0.64

00:28:15.740 beautiful homemaker.

00:28:17.060 Yeah. 0.75

00:28:17.580 Didn't bake. 1.00

00:28:18.600 Who fucking cares? 0.99

00:28:19.700 Incredible cook, but no baking. 0.99

00:28:22.220 Incredible home decor,

00:28:23.220 but no crafting very into flowers but no crafts I've always had this kind of suspicion around

00:28:29.240 crafts yeah but now I'm like am I going to become someone who goes oh it's December 1st we're all

00:28:34.420 going over to Kate's house to make wreaths fresh wreaths well I had I had um oh my god I had the 0.98

00:28:42.740 life I want ours I had friends of ours over for pumpkin carving wow I mean are you fucking kidding

00:28:48.920 jack-o'-lanterns yeah okay so i knife in knife out the thing about pumpkins doesn't it make just 0.80

00:28:55.440 an unimaginable mess i'm sorry to fall into that cliche of talking about the pumpkin carving mess

00:29:00.460 but isn't it i mean no in the sense that i mean you i see you making spaghetti squash i mean what's

00:29:05.540 once never again honestly i've made it maybe six times what i mean i don't want to see another

00:29:10.620 recipe about how spaghetti squash is pasta i don't want to see that sure sure i mean i don't

00:29:15.440 know how you fell for that you know even this year i mean that was over for me nine years ago okay 0.96

00:29:19.560 i'm surprised they're even posting those anymore they're still fucking posting it 0.96

00:29:27.240 they've moved on to hearts of these ghouls i think it's delicious but what it's as a sock 0.96

00:29:33.360 it's delicious i like spaghetti squash well for me the effort to you know soften it so you can get

00:29:39.460 a knife through it let me just say this about pumpkins yeah okay here's what why why to me

00:29:44.120 it's not a mess that's upsetting okay okay if they were pomegranates that you're cutting into

00:29:49.220 if they were something juicy if they're oranges anything there's juice sliding around they're 0.87

00:29:53.960 very contained like yeah so when you cut into a pumpkin it's just fucking squash in there i mean 0.73

00:29:58.920 it's also like you carve it it's very sticky it's not easy to grab it and you either like i don't 0.82

00:30:04.380 know you can yes you could take the seeds out and toast them while people finish their things

00:30:07.940 oh my god i just had a memory jacqueline yes you remember when somebody one year made the

00:30:12.200 most beautiful poog pumpkin yes with our photo realistic with our profiles we have to find the

00:30:17.800 profiles cut unbelievable unbelievable the hags will never be forgotten

00:30:25.460 the love i feel and that's why the tour is really going to be so exciting is to to see the hags to

00:30:31.740 feel the energy in the room so a wonderful cry can you imagine yeah i could imagine it i could

00:30:37.940 imagine it i couldn't imagine just so you know you guys i could imagine it coming out yeah or

00:30:45.300 we'll be staring at each other like tap dancing you know what i mean like yeah like or i'll be

00:30:49.940 on stage going um wait but i'm not done with the crafting so i've gone through periods so do so i've

00:30:57.800 done holiday crafting okay not in you know in my own way okay like me pantsless you know sitting

00:31:05.400 on my floor making a one-off okay the only time i've done like a thing like that was was invite

00:31:11.340 a couple over and and i i mean just think of this you arrive and there's a pumpkin waiting for you

00:31:16.560 like you're a pumpkin so cute okay it's the coziest thing ever okay ordered in shake shack

00:31:21.940 so sweet so so pumpkin is really fun okay do you want to hear some of the other crafts i've made

00:31:27.460 over the years yeah all right so and i went through a period where i discovered martha

00:31:32.380 steward similarly and the website and the limitless lists of crafts okay and then there'd be some

00:31:40.820 repeats like oh she's put you know the wool slippers you can make at home on both the christmas gift

00:31:46.960 list and the whatever sure okay but the sheer amount of crafts on there to search through and

00:31:53.160 go which one and then some of them have templates where you go wow you didn't have to do that for me

00:31:58.140 and I'm printing out a template

00:31:59.660 to cut out something of a particular shape,

00:32:02.760 whatever, incredible.

00:32:03.300 So one of the things I did once around the holidays

00:32:06.300 was coffee can, okay?

00:32:09.400 Metal coffee can, strip off the thing

00:32:12.340 and then you puncture the coffee can, okay?

00:32:17.040 In tap, tap, tap, okay?

00:32:19.100 You puncture it in different-

00:32:21.080 Make holes.

00:32:21.580 Make holes and then it's a lantern.

00:32:24.320 Candle inside?

00:32:25.380 Yeah.

00:32:25.580 Beautiful.

00:32:25.980 And it's stunning

00:32:26.520 and it casts shadows.

00:32:29.080 You glue a candle inside.

00:32:31.520 No, you just sit it inside it.

00:32:32.940 Oh, sure.

00:32:33.520 Yeah, what am I talking about?

00:32:34.220 There's no glue.

00:32:34.900 Yeah.

00:32:35.100 I'm pretty sure.

00:32:35.620 But why am I remembering?

00:32:36.920 Here's the thing.

00:32:37.240 I'm remembering the freezer involved.

00:32:38.920 So another thing that really calls to me.

00:32:40.780 Yeah.

00:32:41.140 Anything that involves a shape

00:32:43.920 where someone's freezing something,

00:32:45.360 making something in the freezer,

00:32:46.300 like these things where it's like,

00:32:47.560 oh, look, you know,

00:32:48.480 you empty out a milk can.

00:32:51.200 Okay.

00:32:52.160 I think once my mother did something

00:32:54.440 that was like,

00:32:57.700 what was it?

00:32:58.800 Guess what?

00:32:59.420 It was like a milk can.

00:33:02.180 What?

00:33:02.820 I think this is something.

00:33:04.720 This is a live on aircraft.

00:33:07.340 I'm taking one of the flowers.

00:33:08.680 Yeah.

00:33:09.680 It's a couple days old.

00:33:11.700 I think this is a way

00:33:12.640 to make it look

00:33:13.840 more exciting.

00:33:16.220 To peel.

00:33:16.700 I heard about this.

00:33:17.640 You peel back 0.73

00:33:18.340 some of the rose petals.

00:33:19.700 Yeah, to make it feel

00:33:20.500 as I'm doing it,

00:33:21.300 I'm worried that I'm

00:33:22.120 actually destroying it

00:33:23.300 or maybe making it look.

00:33:24.040 Well, yeah,

00:33:24.140 because it doesn't look old yet.

00:33:25.560 It looks fresh.

00:33:27.640 Stop.

00:33:28.360 No, the outside ones are going to get...

00:33:30.260 Don't do any more. 1.00

00:33:31.200 Oh, fuck me. 1.00

00:33:31.960 Now you're trying to put it back. 1.00

00:33:34.060 You're trying to glue like Zuzu.

00:33:36.300 You're trying to glue...

00:33:37.400 Daddy.

00:33:37.860 Okay.

00:33:38.140 I'm putting it back.

00:33:39.460 Can you glue it back, Daddy?

00:33:41.020 Oh my God.

00:33:42.080 No, it's fine.

00:33:42.680 Just don't start pulling from the center.

00:33:45.360 Oh, wow.

00:33:46.200 Now you're cutting bangs

00:33:47.480 and they just keep getting shorter and shorter.

00:33:49.080 It's perfect.

00:33:49.440 Look, look, it's back.

00:33:50.740 Everything's fine.

00:33:51.980 The rose has been saved.

00:33:53.740 Sorry, continue.

00:33:54.420 My mother once did something involving vodka and a milk carton.

00:34:00.540 Oh, I know what it was.

00:34:01.980 It was, it was, this is, this must've been the early 90s.

00:34:04.500 Vodka and a milk carton?

00:34:05.400 Yeah.

00:34:05.700 Yeah.

00:34:05.920 So it was like vodka in a vodka bottle in a, in water inside of a milk carton.

00:34:13.980 And then you peel away the milk carton.

00:34:16.480 It was like, so the vodka was like, like the bottle was suspended in like a block of ice in some way, keeping it cold all night.

00:34:26.100 It sort of doesn't make sense because I'm trying to figure out, was it?

00:34:28.780 Why can't I understand?

00:34:30.380 The point is, I see these things that involve like, let me just see.

00:34:36.580 Vodka frozen in ice milk carton.

00:34:43.640 Oh yeah, I found it.

00:34:45.760 I found the craft, I think.

00:34:47.800 Okay.

00:34:48.840 Oh yeah, here it is.

00:34:49.940 It's like, it's hard to explain what's going on,

00:34:52.240 but the bottle sort of becomes,

00:34:54.600 just picture like peppers, like in rose petals,

00:34:58.020 frozen into a block.

00:35:00.080 Just like incredible stuff.

00:35:01.820 Okay.

00:35:02.580 So I definitely want to do something

00:35:04.860 where something is frozen, suspended in ice.

00:35:07.680 I know this.

00:35:08.120 Okay, I see.

00:35:08.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:08.980 And maybe it's a bottle at an angle

00:35:10.540 and inside there's ghosts or whatever.

00:35:12.300 Okay.

00:35:12.920 Something like that.

00:35:13.860 And my mother did something involved.

00:35:15.080 just picture like the satisfaction of peeling away the milk carton and there being a form it's very

00:35:21.160 exciting that that is fun okay so imagine one's like filled with holly or whatever yeah yeah

00:35:26.820 totally make sense something something okay so i'm just thinking so i once went over to a friend

00:35:32.460 casual but we made we made ornaments and brought them home okay okay so that and he'd laid out

00:35:40.020 really good stuff

00:35:42.140 to make them with.

00:35:43.940 So that is what I'm going to just chime in

00:35:46.020 and say because I grew up again not making crafts.

00:35:48.720 Last winter went over

00:35:49.980 to a friend's house. She has like a

00:35:52.060 five-year-old kid. Yeah. She had

00:35:53.920 laid out unbelievable crafting 1.00

00:35:55.840 table, hot glue guns to make

00:35:58.100 popsicle stick

00:35:59.680 snowflakes. Phenomenal.

00:36:02.280 Deeply healing experience.

00:36:04.340 Phenomenal. She reparented me.

00:36:06.580 Made 1.00

00:36:06.920 so many ornaments.

00:36:10.020 For my mother.

00:36:11.260 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:36:11.900 Yes.

00:36:12.540 Bringing the craft home to my mother,

00:36:14.580 repeating the childhood, the dream.

00:36:17.140 Do you remember any good crafts that were made in school

00:36:20.300 that you were expected to bring home?

00:36:21.680 Because there are a couple that stick with me.

00:36:23.920 Like, it was like-

00:36:26.160 It really is the reason that children

00:36:27.560 is for them to bring you gifts from school,

00:36:29.420 make you the little thing, like the frame.

00:36:31.700 Mom, like that is, there's something there.

00:36:34.800 Well, the clay stuff was like,

00:36:37.120 because in my elementary school,

00:36:39.260 it was all about the kiln there was a kiln so we'd make clay things I grew up with a kiln in my

00:36:44.300 house yeah oh my god there's a period where my dad had a kiln that's amazing that's incredible

00:36:50.040 did you ever get afraid that you would go in there lock yourself in and fire yourself kind

00:36:55.180 of actually because I remember being very small it's a huge thing my memory of it is and I'm just

00:37:00.460 picturing like your dad like putting in no way a gate near it like this was an adult house of

00:37:04.680 artists. There's no like, you know, I taught, I taught my girl how to like, my girls are

00:37:10.920 comfortable around kilns. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, totally. Yeah. I taught my girls

00:37:15.440 kiln safety. Don't, don't touch it. Cause if you get burned, you get burned, then you'll

00:37:21.180 remember not to touch it, you know? Right. Um, so poking holes in the coffee canister was really

00:37:27.720 good oh i mean pretty making um what are they called not lumiere's but um like a paper bag and

00:37:38.580 you and you and you cut the little holes in it or whatever there's things like this pretty and

00:37:42.760 then you stick you know a little battery candle in it for safety of course line line the line the

00:37:50.240 entryway i mean the joke is like i have like if i were gonna do any of this i'd have to like you

00:37:55.680 know vacuum my floors clean my bathroom like the basics the basics of hosting there's a lot

00:38:00.440 or not or not i'm coming to my home one table is clear and it has the crafts on it yeah all right

00:38:07.600 there's yeah don't let that freeze you i do think i should i'm considering pathway lighting 0.89

00:38:13.960 a little pathway from the gate to my house yeah that's that that is that's good shit 0.97

00:38:19.660 Lumineers come in. 1.00

00:38:22.920 I mean, I think it's more... 0.97

00:38:24.800 I think it's more...

00:38:25.540 Do you have battery-operated...

00:38:27.960 Or are you talking about in general for your life?

00:38:29.640 I have battery-operated candles.

00:38:31.240 Yes.

00:38:31.560 So those go inside of something that makes it glow.

00:38:34.220 And I can't...

00:38:35.180 The word is not coming to me.

00:38:37.060 But there's a million options for these

00:38:40.000 and they all look stunning.

00:38:42.000 Beautiful.

00:38:42.600 It gives off a soft glow.

00:38:44.640 So it's like literally if you put a paper bag

00:38:46.840 on the ground and stuck it in there,

00:38:48.880 it would do it.

00:38:49.660 I believe you.

00:38:51.160 No, you have no paper bags lying around.

00:38:53.300 But the point is, you know, something.

00:38:54.740 I'll find you a perfect example.

00:38:56.660 Okay, great.

00:38:57.680 Yeah, find me some of that, some safety first outdoor lighting.

00:39:09.760 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:39:13.220 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:39:18.420 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune

00:39:22.900 It was hard to wrap your head around

00:39:24.160 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs

00:39:27.600 So no, I am not your guru

00:39:31.180 And back then, I lied to my parents

00:39:34.000 I lied to police

00:39:35.260 I lied to everybody

00:39:36.400 There were years right where I could not say your name

00:39:39.380 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California

00:39:42.000 Interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists

00:39:44.940 Whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened

00:39:48.260 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:39:53.000 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.95

00:39:55.940 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

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00:40:11.000 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends.

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00:40:20.840 I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 0.96

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00:40:41.460 Is badness hereditary?

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00:40:51.380 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:40:53.120 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

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00:41:00.520 Listen to The Girlfriend Spotlight

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00:41:06.840 Ever feel like you're being chased by the marriage police?

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00:42:11.300 When you feel uncomfortable, what do you put on?

00:42:14.240 Biggie.

00:42:15.040 You put on Biggie when you feel uncomfortable?

00:42:16.500 Because I want to get confident.

00:42:17.700 This is DJ Hester Prince's Music is Therapy, a new podcast from me, a DJ and licensed therapist that asks one simple question.

00:42:26.380 Who do you want to be and what's the song that can take you there?

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00:43:17.860 Iota has sent us body wash and lotion.

00:43:21.480 i'm pretty excited about because i'm doing a winter body wash a body wash roundup okay as

00:43:26.780 temperatures fall even here in los angeles skin it just needs well the dry moisture is needed

00:43:34.660 the dryness i i find who told me los angeles is drier than the sahara someone told me that and

00:43:40.600 i believe them something about it sure so so that's begun and i'm i'm open to rex and then

00:43:48.920 The other thing is I'm in a unitard roundup phase again.

00:43:53.060 I'm completely consumed with finding and trying great unitards.

00:43:57.540 Actually, free people have gifted me.

00:44:01.120 Where's mine?

00:44:02.940 I forgot.

00:44:04.360 You got to ask for it.

00:44:05.160 You just got to ask.

00:44:06.180 I got to ask for it.

00:44:07.200 So yeah, it's called a runsy because I guess you can run in it.

00:44:14.080 Wow.

00:44:14.580 My other thing is that I have no interest in high cut anything unless it's an illusion.

00:44:20.760 They have these illusions that look like you're in a leotard and tights in the 80s, but it's one piece.

00:44:26.120 Yeah.

00:44:26.540 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:27.160 So you get that look of the high leg, but it's not riding up.

00:44:30.800 Yeah.

00:44:31.120 So that's big for me.

00:44:32.300 So anyway, I'm open to unitard gifting.

00:44:35.700 And I told you that Auto Body is sending us underwear.

00:44:40.540 Can't wait.

00:44:41.040 That's a big deal.

00:44:42.240 100% cotton, organic.

00:44:43.640 Yeah, organic, the whole thing. Genuinely felt a feeling of, when I was putting it on, I was like, why does this feel like, I don't know. There's something about it. I guess maybe it's because you're putting it on your crotch. And so it's like, it's like after a lifetime of bleached cotton, like after a lifetime of like toxic tampons or whatever, like just, you know what I mean?

00:45:11.160 like finally

00:45:11.700 like coming around

00:45:12.620 and then

00:45:13.460 there is no tag

00:45:15.220 there's just this

00:45:16.320 little sewn in

00:45:17.460 thing on the side

00:45:18.340 so there's no tag

00:45:20.400 bothering you

00:45:21.680 nice

00:45:22.420 it's kind of insane

00:45:23.920 that underwear

00:45:24.420 does have tags

00:45:25.300 ever

00:45:25.700 a tag

00:45:27.380 yeah that is weird

00:45:28.700 a flag

00:45:29.600 with a brand

00:45:30.620 and a size

00:45:31.440 in an underwear

00:45:32.440 rubbing against you

00:45:33.160 yeah

00:45:33.600 so I'm very excited

00:45:35.340 about that

00:45:36.580 I'm excited for that

00:45:37.520 for sure

00:45:38.320 and then

00:45:39.060 I have another interest

00:45:40.180 mate the label

00:45:41.120 Package from Lima I haven't opened yet

00:45:43.080 Oh really

00:45:43.960 I'm wondering if one of them

00:45:45.260 Because didn't you need a new one because you broke yours

00:45:47.280 Well it's a whole

00:45:49.100 Did you get yours I got two packages is what I'm trying to say

00:45:52.120 Is it possible they sent me yours

00:45:54.100 Did you open it yet

00:45:55.500 No about two

00:45:56.600 It's probably the skincare

00:45:58.600 Why would there be two packages

00:46:00.580 The supplements

00:46:02.240 Oh yeah

00:46:03.760 So they have a three pronged system

00:46:06.140 Supplements

00:46:07.980 the device and the top and device incredible oh you know what you know what I've been sort of

00:46:15.260 obsessing about what finding the correct either reusable rounds oh like you know cotton rounds

00:46:24.060 okay either the reusable kind where you get like four bioderma yeah made of like bamboo

00:46:28.720 or whatever and then I had this idea so we have toners lying around and essences and

00:46:35.880 And if it's not a spritz, it don't get used.

00:46:40.320 Okay.

00:46:40.880 Correct.

00:46:41.440 Because I mean, I do it, but it's annoying.

00:46:43.660 I mean, like I dump it into my hand.

00:46:45.220 Unless I am into the Pat McGrath and I'm into that.

00:46:47.400 Yeah.

00:46:47.560 It feels like aftershave.

00:46:48.480 It's fine.

00:46:48.780 Yeah.

00:46:49.060 And I do that, but I was thinking.

00:46:53.360 So I finished the Radiance pads from Retruve.

00:46:58.400 Okay.

00:46:59.740 There were these Radiance pads.

00:47:01.060 Haven't used those yet.

00:47:02.060 Yep.

00:47:02.160 Okay.

00:47:02.380 I finished all of them.

00:47:03.880 And because they were pads, I would just pull one out and do it.

00:47:06.340 And something about that, it's easier than like pouring it into my hand, slapping it

00:47:10.640 on my face.

00:47:10.960 How'd you like them?

00:47:12.120 I mean, they were great.

00:47:13.260 You know, like any Radiance pad of that kind of nature feels like I'm into.

00:47:17.060 Like, I don't know.

00:47:18.120 I can't like say if that one changed my life.

00:47:22.360 Sure.

00:47:22.700 But I do, I have found their products.

00:47:25.020 There's another thing that there's a tonic that I really like that I'm using.

00:47:29.720 It feels quality, but I finished it out and the jar is so heavy.

00:47:32.920 remember we loved the packaging and the retrovay yeah beautiful the jar is kind of heavy and I

00:47:36.920 felt this feeling like don't want to throw this out then I was like what if I put my own rounds

00:47:45.020 in there soaked them up soak it with one of my essences or toners or whatever closed it back up

00:47:51.740 genius and so now I'm consumed with what is the right either and then and then a little laundry

00:47:59.700 bag a little mesh bag you throw that in you wash them when you're done heaven very appealing

00:48:03.960 and then just my i'm convinced this is going to absolutely change i've been obsessing about i need

00:48:12.020 to because you know i was like okay now the cleaning products in the house are all green

00:48:15.060 i told you know some some toxins begin slipping back right yeah because you go it's not clean

00:48:20.660 enough yeah yeah i gotta get the i gotta get the green ones back and then i have been losing sleep

00:48:26.740 not really but almost

00:48:28.560 not even almost but I'm thinking a lot

00:48:30.840 about vinegar as a cleaning tool

00:48:32.820 you hear this

00:48:33.920 kind of disgusting to me

00:48:35.800 well I've gone into people's homes 0.99

00:48:38.780 and they use vinegar I'm like yeah I can fucking tell 0.97

00:48:41.060 you know what I mean 0.97

00:48:41.880 but then also

00:48:43.500 but they're using balsamic and that's the problem

00:48:46.640 but my fear

00:48:48.600 cleaning

00:48:50.440 I'm having a lot of fear

00:48:52.680 around cleaning my oven

00:48:53.620 or I'm cleaning my washing machine.

00:48:57.360 You know, you're supposed to like clean your washing machine.

00:48:59.720 Yeah.

00:49:00.160 I live in a rental.

00:49:01.320 This washing machine is from 1904.

00:49:03.980 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:04.180 So I'm like washing my clothes in the dander of a man from 1932.

00:49:07.700 Yeah. 0.93

00:49:08.280 Yeah. 0.91

00:49:08.500 That's disgusting, Kate.

00:49:09.980 What do I do?

00:49:11.920 Help.

00:49:12.920 Do you Google things like this?

00:49:14.120 I'm just curious.

00:49:15.200 God, you know, I haven't.

00:49:16.340 No, right.

00:49:16.700 I was genuinely curious.

00:49:18.160 Like I Google, like I stopped halfway up the staircase to Google things.

00:49:22.960 Like that's the way that I like, like I'll Google with like my hand behind my back.

00:49:28.720 Like, I just, I want to know now when I go, like when I have the thought, I want to know now.

00:49:34.240 So, but I believe they have washing machine cleaners, like a tab you drop in there.

00:49:42.060 Yeah.

00:49:42.580 That, I mean, I'm kind of making this up.

00:49:44.900 Sure, sure.

00:49:45.680 That has to be.

00:49:46.400 But I think there's a disinfect, the 1950s housewives are back.

00:49:52.960 I know. 1.00

00:49:54.160 Disinfect a washing machine.

00:49:57.240 Get a Quilean washing machine naturally.

00:50:00.820 Okay.

00:50:02.980 How to sanitize and disinfect a washer and dryer.

00:50:06.640 The spruce.

00:50:07.500 You know the spruce?

00:50:09.000 Well, here it is.

00:50:09.900 The spruce.

00:50:10.580 Bleach.

00:50:11.600 You never find your way onto the spruce?

00:50:13.460 Sounds vaguely familiar.

00:50:15.260 They have all sorts of home stuff.

00:50:18.540 Okay, I'm seeing stock imagery of a natural scrub brush, some specialty hand gloves.

00:50:27.040 Let's just see.

00:50:27.580 Rubber gloves, scrub brush, cleaning cloths, old towels, bucket or container for mixing.

00:50:32.720 Okay.

00:50:33.500 Whenever they do that, it's like, okay, yeah, no bucket is happening.

00:50:38.240 You know what I mean?

00:50:39.020 Like, I don't know.

00:50:39.780 Okay.

00:50:40.240 Chlorine bleach, pine oil, phenolic disinfectant or quaternary disinfectant.

00:50:47.880 Interesting.

00:50:48.540 what's this music

00:50:49.900 oh yeah your 1115 alarm

00:50:53.080 I have an alarm that goes off at 1115

00:50:54.380 yeah what is that

00:50:55.560 that I can't remember why it happened

00:50:57.480 and then it never stopped

00:50:59.000 and now I just like it

00:51:00.280 because it just helps me understand time

00:51:02.300 yeah

00:51:02.600 I'm like oh 1115 already

00:51:04.320 so set the washer cycle

00:51:08.140 it's like bleach plus the washer cycle

00:51:10.420 plus scrubbing that rim area

00:51:12.960 chaos chaos

00:51:14.560 extra rinse

00:51:15.340 yeah I think though

00:51:17.060 I think there's a 0.79

00:51:18.540 Oh, Martha Stewart's popping up. 1.00

00:51:22.880 Martha Stewart's popping up. 0.98

00:51:25.040 I can get very obsessive about...

00:51:26.960 I didn't want to get into that because it's like my basement is so horrific and not up to code and crazy.

00:51:32.740 You're always afraid of it and then...

00:51:34.640 I know, but I'm afraid.

00:51:36.580 I'm afraid not...

00:51:37.840 I'm not so much structurally afraid or afraid of the bugs anymore.

00:51:40.920 I'm afraid of the toxins.

00:51:42.800 And I think about the washing machine and I think about...

00:51:45.800 The toxins?

00:51:47.740 Yeah.

00:51:48.140 Of the washing machine?

00:51:49.520 I guess.

00:51:50.160 I don't even know.

00:51:51.200 Just like, I've never, I mean, Jacqueline, Jacqueline, look at me.

00:51:54.880 You've washed your washing machine. 0.97

00:51:56.500 You've disinfected it or done this shit with the vinegar and all this chaos. 0.99

00:51:59.380 I don't have one. 0.99

00:51:59.980 I don't have one.

00:52:01.020 Yeah, yeah, no, I know.

00:52:02.500 But actually I do.

00:52:03.460 Remember I told you I have that small one that you roll into the bathroom and you plug

00:52:07.040 into the sink?

00:52:08.200 Yeah.

00:52:09.720 Okay.

00:52:10.240 I remember. 0.98

00:52:10.780 That one, no, I'm using a fucking apartment building machine if I'm doing big loads. 0.98

00:52:15.900 No, I know, I know. 0.99

00:52:16.740 So you have to assume they're cleaning it and they're taking it upon themselves.

00:52:19.400 Well, that's why I kind of like the, they're not, I mean, but, but, but it's more like

00:52:23.800 every 20 years, I think they put in a new one and they recently did.

00:52:27.340 Yeah.

00:52:28.020 Um, okay. 1.00

00:52:29.520 But Martha's used vinegar. 0.67

00:52:33.320 I bought some white vinegar.

00:52:35.260 Yeah.

00:52:35.860 Well, cause, oh, Jacqueline, Jacqueline, my Jolie, I bought a filter replacement and then

00:52:41.740 today I got an email from Jolie going, here's how to wash your shower head.

00:52:46.740 talking about how you have to wash the shower head

00:52:48.340 and guess what they're talking about.

00:52:50.940 Vinegar, fill the bucket with three tablespoons.

00:52:54.200 Yeah, where's the bucket? 0.60

00:52:55.180 Well, vinegar does cut through

00:52:56.460 like whatever that stuff in the shower.

00:52:59.180 I mean, that's real.

00:52:59.700 I remember taking vinegar once to the,

00:53:01.580 to the, you know, the faucet, the spigot, the thing.

00:53:06.500 Wait, let me just find this.

00:53:08.500 Because what is this?

00:53:14.060 Oh, thank God.

00:53:15.240 Element's sending more.

00:53:16.740 You're kidding.

00:53:17.840 As far as I can tell.

00:53:21.420 I just want to see.

00:53:29.720 My, my.

00:53:32.280 By the way, Aromatech.

00:53:33.960 Yeah.

00:53:34.560 They created a POOG15 code.

00:53:37.200 So cool.

00:53:38.080 Waiting for it.

00:53:39.180 And I have mine.

00:53:40.120 I'm trying to figure out.

00:53:41.540 What kind of scents do you like in your home?

00:53:43.880 I don't know

00:53:46.840 these are the questions that

00:53:47.780 I know that keep you from pursuing

00:53:50.020 scent

00:53:50.880 I know I don't want vanilla

00:53:54.160 like I don't like overly warm

00:53:56.840 overly warm scents

00:53:58.880 I don't want to smell like a bath

00:54:00.740 and body work

00:54:01.400 I always think I'm going to want something

00:54:03.580 like when they're like woods and trees

00:54:05.320 but then it can do this like

00:54:07.620 men's cologne thing that 0.85

00:54:09.220 I like amber scents

00:54:11.680 See, amber has always been a little too rich for me, I think.

00:54:14.760 It's like, it's almost like vanilla.

00:54:19.780 I think I want fresh, fresh, clean,

00:54:24.200 could tolerate like a citrus or an herbal,

00:54:27.960 like, you know what I mean?

00:54:30.700 Cleanness.

00:54:31.680 Cleanness.

00:54:32.340 Wait, hang on.

00:54:33.040 I just got a text from the chef.

00:54:35.420 I thought your phone was on Do Not Disturb.

00:54:36.860 I know.

00:54:37.640 All right, fine.

00:54:38.240 Give it to me.

00:54:38.740 It was the chef at JAR.

00:54:40.200 Chef at JAR has texted.

00:54:41.680 your fan club was in for dinner last night.

00:54:45.040 Awesome young bright minds.

00:54:46.440 It was very nice to meet them.

00:54:47.720 Have a good weekend, Suzanne.

00:54:49.540 Amazing.

00:54:50.240 You and I have to go to JAR before tour.

00:54:54.160 Sure.

00:54:55.460 Yeah.

00:54:56.500 But back to the home sense,

00:54:58.280 I don't know.

00:54:59.380 Who cares?

00:55:00.740 Well, I do.

00:55:01.760 And I'm excited for the romantic.

00:55:03.740 I pulled up.

00:55:05.140 Well, I do have it in here.

00:55:06.760 I moved it in.

00:55:07.420 It is actually like a beautiful piece of technology

00:55:09.800 that was very excited when it arrived.

00:55:12.620 Like it's heavy.

00:55:14.100 I mean, heavy in a way like substantial.

00:55:16.600 Very substantial.

00:55:17.440 I mean, you can almost see it.

00:55:18.740 Do you hide it in a corner?

00:55:20.280 It's sort of one of those things where I'm like,

00:55:22.540 I'm not even interested in hiding it.

00:55:24.900 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:25.360 Of course not.

00:55:25.940 It's like the 80s.

00:55:26.760 Do you hide your stereo?

00:55:29.200 Right, right, right.

00:55:31.980 Great.

00:55:32.400 Well, one week closer to tour.

00:55:34.060 Yeah.

00:55:34.360 Excited to think about what luggage situation is going to go on.

00:55:36.920 We're going to have matching Tombins.

00:55:38.300 Oh, yeah.

00:55:38.920 The Tom Bin, I continue to say, has changed my life. 0.99

00:55:41.200 Every time I travel with it, I go, oh, my fucking God. 0.97

00:55:43.500 I have a Tom Bin-related announcement at some point. 0.98

00:55:45.500 Not really, but kind of.

00:55:47.460 But Tom Bin is going to be big for tour, actually.

00:55:52.100 We might want to see if we can get further outfitted.

00:55:54.040 I think away.

00:55:54.940 I think away should outfit us.

00:55:56.860 Okay, here's a huge point that I can't believe we didn't say yet.

00:56:00.480 What?

00:56:01.080 We're waiting for people to capitalize on us going on tour.

00:56:07.400 Yeah.

00:56:07.840 Hey, brands.

00:56:08.920 If you want to step up and say everyone in your audience gets one millimeter of this.

00:56:15.400 Yeah.

00:56:15.800 Hey brands, everyone gets this cream.

00:56:18.460 Everyone gets that.

00:56:19.600 Yeah.

00:56:20.040 Now's the time.

00:56:21.580 Okay.

00:56:21.840 Get on.

00:56:22.500 Or how about, you know, yeah, just outfit us.

00:56:27.160 Outfit us.

00:56:27.620 Yeah.

00:56:27.640 We need to be outfitted for travel.

00:56:30.020 I mean, anywhere we stay.

00:56:31.100 I want a new Away suitcase.

00:56:33.400 I've paid out of pocket for Away.

00:56:34.700 Yeah.

00:56:34.960 I want free Away.

00:56:36.000 I want the one that's like

00:56:38.940 I mean the amount of coverage that it will get

00:56:40.500 is outrageous

00:56:42.020 I mean that's you know people beg

00:56:44.900 people scream for authentic

00:56:46.960 coverage

00:56:48.220 we're going to be on tour cackling

00:56:50.360 and we'll you know

00:56:52.580 what will be in our hand what will be over our shoulder

00:56:55.040 what hat will be on our head what sunglasses

00:56:56.760 will I be wearing as the wind of tour

00:56:59.380 beats me in the face you know

00:57:01.020 what boots will I wear on stage

00:57:02.740 boot companies

00:57:03.440 Well, here we go.

00:57:06.640 I mean, clothing.

00:57:08.240 It's going to be cold out there.

00:57:09.300 Clothing.

00:57:09.800 Clothing.

00:57:10.960 All right.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - October 31, 2023

Six is a Great Number

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