Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Sleep is Surgery

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00:02:19.640 the kindness the southwest brand so i only do southwest if i'm flying to the bay area to see

00:02:25.700 my family and i have my whole life so there's there's like a familiarity and a coziness yes

00:02:30.100 and it's a it feels like a it's a school bus like it's because you know there's no it's it's

00:02:34.560 it's non-hierarchical um so it really does feel and i swear to god do you just get on the bus and

00:02:40.800 find a seat yeah so what it is is like and this is chaotic and in the past i've really not like 0.81

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00:03:03.860 encountered a couple flight attendants that were so jolly in a way where i was like is this company

00:03:09.380 taking care of you because that's the energy you're giving like oh really yeah yeah and there

00:03:15.000 was just and something about the logo it's a heart something that's so simple it just feels like 0.98

00:03:20.240 the flight attendants are actually nurses like there's like a feeling of like holy shit like

00:03:25.640 that they are prepared to nurture in a different way they are um it's the word not first responders

00:03:32.240 but oh yeah essential workers you know like i feel like maybe nathan for you or me oh no maybe

00:03:37.920 we're watching some of these things on reddit these like that plane crash in the snow or everyone

00:03:42.740 like got off got off easy their crew and they're trained you know like yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly

00:03:49.140 oh it reminds me Kate when I was flying to New York for Thanksgiving uh-huh I really meant to

00:03:53.860 talk for this with you oh that's right you flew to New York the day before Thanksgiving that's

00:03:57.960 crazy you know like weeks ago and we will be publishing the subscriber only the text I got

00:04:02.240 from Jacqueline being like Jacqueline was in the car she was like head to the airport this was like

00:04:07.000 in the early afternoon and then I get a text moments later heading back home forgot my passport

00:04:11.840 change no one i want to get that the actual text exactly right because it's so funny

00:04:16.260 okay jacklyn goes forgot i need my passport my driver's license no longer works for domestic

00:04:22.720 so i'm switching to a red eye turn the uber around i remain completely unperturbed

00:04:27.740 already changed flight once in the app it's so easy takes one second and i could just i know you

00:04:34.260 i could just see you in the back i saw your face i saw you there like i i just could see you oh my

00:04:41.120 god by the way we i've forgotten again and you know to see an impression of the self particularly

00:04:47.240 when it's like never been seen by anyone your impression of me when i'm that you saw on tour

00:04:53.300 but also then anytime oh my god yeah yeah taking care of business i mean it's a joke

00:04:58.760 the eviscerating someone an email i mean that's like um also that i'm sorry that is like neuro d

00:05:04.720 okay that is yeah that is stimming that is that is yeah yeah you know god there's so we are so 0.81

00:05:11.880 backlogged with shit to talk about it's unreal how much we have to cover i know huge year ahead 0.82

00:05:17.880 for the for the podcast anyway i was saying i'm here southwest airline it's a good yes yes john 0.99

00:05:24.320 early okay text him i go you know whatever getting on a plane he goes oh no thanksgiving

00:05:33.220 pilots are notoriously bad and then he goes did you not read the piece of the times okay now i

00:05:38.620 have this weird thing where we both know okay john that is a perfect john early joke right

00:05:43.860 100 joke it's hysterical right you know this and yet i don't know if you have this okay there's an

00:05:51.020 anxiety that is like i know it's a joke but i need him to confirm thanksgiving exactly or

00:05:58.600 notoriously bad is so funny thanksgiving pilots are notoriously bad did you not read the piece

00:06:05.680 in the times yeah that's so funny it's and i'm like i'm like you're joking right you know and

00:06:12.280 and then and then he's you know my my preferred form of satire right you know absolute realism

00:06:19.180 right his jokes are so dead on like that that at times I'm like

00:06:24.820 I'm unsure I have to check anxiety I'm like you know like there's a part of me that needs to hear

00:06:32.120 right now that it's safe that it's not real yeah anyway red eye okay now normally I with anything

00:06:40.300 I book my flight not the day before the event I have to be there but the day before the day before

00:06:44.760 right and that allows comfort and room particularly a show an event it's like 0.99

00:06:49.440 okay worse comes to worse shit gets really fucked up you're not like fucked yeah i had to break my 0.99

00:06:55.120 own rule because i was installing medicine cabinets until 11 30 in the night with a handyman okay 0.99

00:07:01.420 yeah i got a text from jacqueline i'm i'm like ripping into drywall i was like i have a lot

00:07:10.100 to tell you about drywall, Kate.

00:07:13.220 And I got news for you.

00:07:14.600 It's pressed powder.

00:07:16.200 Oh, I know.

00:07:16.940 It just powders away.

00:07:18.640 No, it doesn't just powder away.

00:07:20.000 It is powder.

00:07:21.480 What's holding it together?

00:07:22.460 A piece of adhesive paper on one side.

00:07:26.120 The whole thing's powder.

00:07:27.220 That's crazy.

00:07:28.100 You can cut it with a box.

00:07:29.080 You can cut it with a box cutter.

00:07:31.880 Okay?

00:07:32.420 So I needed a piece of drywall to fill the hole

00:07:34.740 where my recessed cabinet's hole remained.

00:07:37.140 I replaced the recess with a surface mount

00:07:39.220 but had to cover the hole, okay?

00:07:41.260 Where'd you get the Madison cabinet?

00:07:42.620 The bold look of Kohler.

00:07:44.620 Oh.

00:07:45.520 I got it at Lowe's, okay?

00:07:48.260 Nice.

00:07:48.680 I had four trips to Lowe's.

00:07:50.360 Point is, okay, this is a huge event.

00:07:52.800 We'll talk about it.

00:07:53.600 You want to hear about the red eye,

00:07:54.360 but I'll save my, you know,

00:07:56.440 I have a lot to talk about Reno,

00:07:58.180 about, you know, shout out Richard.

00:08:00.720 In aisle 36, okay, at the mid-city Lowe's.

00:08:06.060 Wow.

00:08:06.600 I'm serious, guys.

00:08:07.240 Richard, he's a plumber, okay?

00:08:08.660 he knows everything oh he's a king he rules we're best friends i was soaring in lows

00:08:15.620 hamming it up so fun like cracking jokes he's having a good time he's he's taking me over to

00:08:23.640 a section that's not his section it's hysterical taking you over what's he doing with you in there

00:08:29.580 you know to get the drywall right to go i'll walk over there you know it's fine you're buying dry 0.99

00:08:35.040 drywall it was yeah and then cutting it myself with a box cutter what did you say fucking dyke 0.98

00:08:40.440 yeah it's i am king of drywall yeah what'd you say i said it's going in your file yeah yeah yeah 0.93

00:08:48.040 so it's like chris was like um called me referred to us as a couple of gentlemen or something okay

00:08:54.060 or called me a gentleman or something like in some context you know where he could have gone

00:08:58.480 the other way but he he decided to to go gentleman on me like yeah yeah you know you're like uh

00:09:03.280 and i lit up from within yeah he goes i knew i knew you'd love it

00:09:09.680 so so so true romance to be seen all right what the hell's going on all right we'll talk about

00:09:16.520 my drywall another way i want to hear about the red eye i know you do i know you do all right

00:09:19.640 take me take me there so so was there a vibe when you were like were they like happy thanksgiving

00:09:24.760 like is it like everywhere like are people like when when you flew on the day for thanksgiving i

00:09:30.700 I just want to know, was the air different or was it the same?

00:09:33.420 Was there a demeanor shift?

00:09:34.920 Were people particularly stressed?

00:09:36.700 Were they, yeah.

00:09:37.600 So you're picturing, I feel like you're picturing what I always picture,

00:09:40.360 and I know this is the Christmas reference, but Home Alone, O'Hare.

00:09:43.420 Exactly.

00:09:44.580 Okay.

00:09:45.520 And a lot of movies will do this holiday airport thing.

00:09:49.560 But it was completely normal.

00:09:52.500 Okay, yeah.

00:09:53.260 Not packed.

00:09:54.680 Oh.

00:09:55.460 Like just normal.

00:09:56.340 And then, I mean, literally, thank you, TSA.

00:09:59.460 okay um tsa you know clear okay you're clear yeah remember we both didn't we both do it with amex

00:10:06.820 together on the road mine mine um lapsed i still have the picture greased up with the with the

00:10:13.600 facial products it pops up every time i do clear okay i see like me and i can remember us mine

00:10:18.980 lapsed lapsed yeah i paid up because i'm through in seconds okay yeah of course huge bottle of 0.86

00:10:26.700 mountain valley i send straight through the machine oh god damn it i see it going in i see 0.52

00:10:32.420 it heading in my my esselstyn tote my gus esselstyn tote i thought i saw jane esselstyn 0.95

00:10:37.960 wait what no i thought i i thought i saw jane walking the silver lake reservoir and i was like 0.88

00:10:43.260 oh my god i'm gonna say something and then i lapped her again she was with two people was

00:10:46.780 not her but it was the same type and i was like god bless her wait this is hysterical because i

00:10:53.580 want to make sure because remember remember i invented an esselston and gus had to tell me

00:11:00.080 i was like oh yeah you made up a name i was like no that's a suz esselston i was like that's a

00:11:04.740 suz esselston classic yeah yeah anyway anyway anyway anyway it's a gorgeous tote that says

00:11:11.220 like the like like language is ability to i'll post it i was very proud of it and i actually

00:11:16.760 was going to get a photo of it with the mountain huge mountain valley heading in no time to stop

00:11:21.440 it try to say say to tsa you're going oh yeah yeah i um i let it through a huge bottle of my

00:11:27.080 thinking like it'll speed things along or something whatever that the point is that was um

00:11:32.940 anyway when i flew but i was thinking of you when i flew for thanksgiving i go

00:11:36.480 okay i gotta tell kate same as usual a couple a couple happy thanksgivings here and there 0.99

00:11:40.580 anyway boy it's a heavy new york experience um this time of year jfk yeah oh fuck you've got 1.00

00:11:49.480 to take the tram to guam to get your ride no why you're listening hold on to your own ass okay 1.00

00:11:56.220 curbside uber black yeah you gotta pay okay but now when you get out jfk terminal um three or 0.99

00:12:04.900 four no four whatever whatever the delta is in terminal i mean the classic jfk with the dunkin

00:12:09.920 donuts which i did stop for yeah what'd you get i got a medium iced coffee right with almond milk

00:12:18.580 and again same counter this is jfk new york dunkin donuts on the right if you're looking out

00:12:26.020 okay through the windows okay and and there's an interior diner that no longer is a diner that

00:12:32.340 chris referenced i was like oh my god anyway right over there okay go over there i get i get the

00:12:37.320 coffee i go i go over to get my straw i go there's a phone an iphone resting on the thing again you

00:12:45.040 left it listeners may recall okay no last time i was there at the same airport i think it was the

00:12:51.560 time it wasn't last time it was the time i was like new york right when i cried entering that

00:12:57.560 scene oh yeah oh yeah okay i was so moved okay last time there was a woman she left her phone

00:13:03.040 there and i found her and said you left your phone on the dunking counter this time i go up

00:13:07.100 there's another phone now again the guy was four feet away i go is that your phone yeah four feet

00:13:12.880 away still bold to leave it on the breeze very bold anyway i go this is interesting so red eye

00:13:18.660 so i'm there i'm going oh right i packed so light that i didn't have my normal bag that has my

00:13:22.720 passport in it because i just decided to bring an esselston tote throw some things in there by the

00:13:27.580 way the way that my tom bin is just fused into the routine my passport lives in my tom bin exactly

00:13:34.600 me too i mean and this is why the issue hence the issue so and by the way guess what not not that

00:13:40.800 this helps anyone but never had to pull out my passport with the tsa and declare so so didn't 1.00

00:13:45.480 need it now you know oh fuck my cunt you don't fuck around you don't fuck around because who 1.00

00:13:49.900 knows what's gonna happen jfk no no you got you gotta have it but when i'm going and i'm rebooking 1.00

00:13:55.400 or i'm booking i'm going all right gotta you know what fuck it let's take the red eye it was so fun 0.98

00:13:59.580 actually going back to the apartment okay being like we walked to the grove got some sneakers on 0.98

00:14:06.360 sale at backcountry because it's closing at what oh back oh no store-wide sale you want a fleece

00:14:14.120 you want to you want a fleece you want to whatever because the rent there is 170k a month or

00:14:20.580 something i mean they're not his mom and pop shop how'd you find that out chris overheard it okay he

00:14:25.940 went like three times because he kept because he goes in there get some sneakers whatever 0.96

00:14:30.420 he sees the thing then looks at his receipts like what the fuck the sneakers like somehow 0.84

00:14:35.540 hour like 30 yeah yeah and so then he's like i'm going back goes back and then i goes back again 0.74

00:14:42.560 with me i believe it i bought some sneaks anyway a grove trip in the in the day having bought

00:14:50.680 yourself time so i go all right all right fine switch when i'm switching to the red eye i go

00:14:54.780 let's just see what's going on here you know what what would it cost right i pop up all the way to

00:14:59.740 delta one it says i make money back it says if you switch your flight you know like like i mean

00:15:05.840 it's like oh change your flight and it's like all right what are your options delta one they're

00:15:10.500 like you know it'll say like okay you you know the cost of your original flight plus or minus

00:15:14.580 whatever yeah it says plus fifty dollar credit like like what i'm like why is it cheaper than

00:15:19.860 my ticket no stop okay anyway point is i guess this flight you end up in delta one yeah jacqueline

00:15:25.680 You're kidding.

00:15:26.560 No, it's Delta One Classic.

00:15:27.900 Now, still, Chris and I are going, what does that mean?

00:15:30.620 You know, like on the way.

00:15:31.480 Classic?

00:15:32.120 They say Delta One Classic, and I think it's like not their biggest.

00:15:34.920 Pre-pod.

00:15:35.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:36.400 No, but it's still pods.

00:15:37.640 It's a pod.

00:15:39.080 Wait, hang on.

00:15:39.520 I have to take a second with this.

00:15:41.020 You changed your flight, and you went from not being Delta One to Delta One.

00:15:46.120 I went from Maine to Delta One and got $50 back.

00:15:49.120 What is that?

00:15:50.680 Okay, I go, this can't be true.

00:15:51.960 This can't be true, right?

00:15:53.620 But it seemed to be true.

00:15:55.340 So, what does this mean?

00:15:57.920 Delta One Lounge at the airport.

00:16:00.200 Which is a fine restaurant.

00:16:03.860 We're put into an elevator.

00:16:05.360 They press a button.

00:16:06.500 Chris goes, this is someone with a soft voice.

00:16:08.740 He goes, I didn't even sense a hint of doubt that we belonged in the lounge.

00:16:11.740 Like, when you walk up and they're like, assuming you probably don't have the right credit card.

00:16:16.380 Yeah, of course.

00:16:17.040 Like, sweetie.

00:16:17.740 We go up and roll in.

00:16:19.400 I'm like, staying silent when what I want to do is be like, are you blown away?

00:16:22.420 Are you blown away?

00:16:22.920 because i've been in this once when we were when we were flown right and so we sit down

00:16:28.880 okay waitress of dreams yeah server you you know she wouldn't mind if i called her what i called

00:16:37.300 her okay okay comes over i go oh oh there's i go there's no chargers where we're sitting because

00:16:45.640 we're sitting in the outside section you know like yeah and she's like no but i can bring you

00:16:50.140 portable charger i go this is luxury what okay i go it's unbelievable i start looking at the menu

00:16:56.380 i go okay okay a couple vegan options i see you know okay i've got to ask about you know the nuts 0.99

00:17:01.080 of course kate burr motherfucking land so we all know that i was shitting on delta right 0.97

00:17:08.680 saying on the planes you know they're out of control with not having ingredients not having 0.99

00:17:15.640 greens right of any kind of course the open bowl of warm nuts you know right you pay you pay through

00:17:21.500 the nose for for delta one anyway so and it's still an issue like i didn't have the meal you

00:17:27.420 know the first class meal damn due to a combo of that's vegan and whatever so it's crazy so i go um

00:17:34.640 is the spice is the rigatoni is the rigatoni pomodoro whatever you know and the carrot soup 0.94

00:17:43.000 okay that's listed as vegan in the lounge yeah i go is that you know i have a nut allergy it's

00:17:49.100 not free she goes our delta what she goes our kitchen is not free stop did you start crying

00:17:56.720 instantly yeah okay i she goes yeah it's just you know we were just like she's like the only thing

00:18:04.160 is there are milks that if you want to order a latte there are options like an almond milk or

00:18:08.380 whatever okay we have no problem with that we have no problem with that okay are you freaking kidding

00:18:13.260 so we go you know two carrot soups okay okay like we were able to order these vegan freely

00:18:20.860 freely it was the meal of a lifetime okay i see these two guys across the way one of them's

00:18:26.500 clearly drinking espresso martini goes that's press martini that's press martini and then go

00:18:29.700 you know what i actually hear him finish his espresso material while i'm ordering and then 0.99

00:18:34.700 order um like what his friend's having i go yeah i go why am i getting espresso martini stupid you 0.98

00:18:40.140 know what it's not what i want i go on our way out i go you know you know dirty martini okay 0.99

00:18:44.240 gray goose or tito's gray goose i say right wow i was i was like fuck this is good you know what 0.96

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00:21:06.360 Wow. I glanced to the left of me. Chris, once we're on the plane, right? Chris is gone,

00:21:12.020 right? I go, what the hell? Okay. And then I see he slipped into an abyss. 0.84

00:21:15.400 lap dance in the champagne room okay no he slipped into an abyss this is on the plane okay

00:21:19.860 he slipped into an abyss because i realized oh he's gone lie flat wow he's gone yeah he's sinking

00:21:24.660 away okay i go i go i literally did double take chris okay yeah yeah he's down there he's flat

00:21:30.460 i realize he's he's like he's flat but no pillow i'm like no no no no like you're not pillow i get

00:21:36.720 the pillow find the pillow the struggle's over that's what there should be a banner when you go

00:21:41.200 into delta lounge the struggle's over i told you i know i've talked about on the pod about when

00:21:47.740 naomi was was being flown delta one and i was back and then i came and sat in their lap for

00:21:53.540 like an hour and a half we've talked about this back i was back in stewage stewage stewage

00:22:01.140 steerage steerage jesus this isn't happening this is scary a stowaway stowaway i mean stew is

00:22:08.060 obvious you're eating rule down there if you're eating anything i was like sewage yeah no i've

00:22:13.200 talked i had to have talked about that when i came and sat in their lap lap lap i literally came and

00:22:18.020 sat on naomi's lap in stewage no they were in delta one i disappeared oh you did of course i

00:22:24.760 and and i got into their pod we snuggled it was so fun yeah okay this is classic you we talked

00:22:29.440 about sideways on a lap yeah it's like because i was like sideways or or cowgirl or full

00:22:37.720 yeah yeah reverse cowgirl yeah right reverse cowgirl is what i meant yeah yeah yeah reverse

00:22:43.680 cowgirl is like munchausen by proxy where the second one has become almost more than cowgirl

00:22:49.740 all right sorry that i refer to it as cowgirl i just remember i know this is like hack to talk

00:22:55.100 about but sex tips from cosmopolitan magazine of course and i just remembered reading one when i

00:22:59.900 was like you know 15 and it was talking about reverse cowgirl and it was like pull his toe

00:23:04.660 while you're in reverse cowgirl i know i was like and even i knew as a never been kissed virgin 15 i 0.84

00:23:11.540 was like that's not doing shit literally pull his toe as in i'll never forget pull his toe and then 0.99

00:23:16.960 there was also a sex tip lick eyelids lick his eyelids i was like ew fucking ew okay first of 0.99

00:23:25.520 all that's funny i have to break through with a detail about an origin story of my life which i 0.99

00:23:30.440 feel, which I've never talked about on the pod and you don't know a detail that I feel like really

00:23:35.480 sets the scene. Tell me now. So when my mother was pregnant with me, my parents, they frequented

00:23:42.520 very regularly in a local Italian restaurant. You might know this. I just, I can't believe this is

00:23:48.500 real. And I confirmed with my mom, is this real? I don't know it. I would know this. I would never

00:23:52.800 forget this. I was like, is this real? Do I make this up? She goes, it's fucking real. My mother

00:23:56.460 gives birth to me at the hospital who shows up with flowers the waiter from the italian restaurant

00:24:03.640 oscar no so you might ask how so apparently my parents were such right up where what at the

00:24:10.840 hospital no okay okay okay like family and friends aren't even there i thought it can't be true no

00:24:14.760 one's there except oscar with flowers so and my mom's like oh my god so my parents were such

00:24:20.320 regulars at this restaurant your father's in the lobby drinking um whiskey with don draper

00:24:24.460 yeah exactly and my my parents were constantly there oscar always made a big deal about my mom

00:24:31.320 and her being pregnant and whatever and then my dad's my uncle my my dad's best friend who i call

00:24:38.460 uncle whatever my uncle ed is at the restaurant and oscar's like where where's tony where's helen

00:24:44.260 and ed's like they're at the hospital actually like she's giving birth right now or whatever

00:24:48.520 he goes to the hospital gets flowers goes to the hospital does that not set the does that not set

00:24:54.740 the stage for me and of course it does yeah the need for the personal relationship with

00:25:00.380 i mean it just makes a lot of sense from an archetypal incarnational standpoint i know

00:25:06.860 you you entered you entered through through the kitchen so to speak

00:25:13.260 yeah okay you entered right through the kitchen it's like in my blood how he likes it it's so

00:25:20.500 great wow that's beautiful shout out to speaking of shout out to sogo shout out to sogo sushi and

00:25:28.120 um you know where is it it's it's essentially the the it's where hollywood silver lake and

00:25:33.920 los filas freaking converge wait sushi yeah sogo but by the way babe i thought you said italian

00:25:38.880 restaurant did i did i just go no i'm literally i'm literally i'm literally i'm rapidly jumping

00:25:44.580 to a different topic great great that was italian that was romanos which is gone romanos it's gone

00:25:50.720 but i just wanted to say i was thinking about restaurants and i was thinking about sogo which

00:25:55.360 has vegan options for you god it's great okay um i'm just remembering my the italian restaurant

00:26:02.080 that we would go to nightly in london oh after the show the one i found stumbled into is unreal

00:26:10.200 i'm shaving coconut cheese i need a big italian meal oh my god so the rigatoni comes okay oh yeah

00:26:17.260 i was like i was like i'm not i was like how do i up it from moaning because like i was gonna text

00:26:22.040 you like moaning you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah rocking back and forth and moaning is you

00:26:26.860 fundamentally because i was thinking i was going deeper i was going because dining with you you

00:26:31.560 know i'll go okay well that's usually when it's arriving okay i go a huge smile when they're

00:26:37.880 setting it down before me like a dog okay yeah but i'm like what am i doing it was like you know

00:26:42.380 like like like that chewy quality of pasta that is just when it is so when it's unctuous yeah it

00:26:50.040 was perfectly spicy exactly wow okay when they nail the spice level i'm drinking a martini

00:26:57.680 I go, this isn't real.

00:26:58.620 I took photos.

00:26:59.360 I got this.

00:27:01.000 This is the most delicious meal of my life.

00:27:02.800 Oh, I hand her the menu going, like, we could never ask for more, right?

00:27:05.640 She goes, why don't you hold on to the menu in case you want something else?

00:27:08.820 I go, oh, my God.

00:27:11.140 Okay.

00:27:12.400 So a little while after, we're waiting.

00:27:13.820 We've still got time.

00:27:14.960 We've digested, whatever.

00:27:16.160 I go, I get a couple orders of fries.

00:27:19.180 I was hoping you were going to get fries.

00:27:21.100 I go, with ketchup and mustard.

00:27:22.620 Almost.

00:27:23.120 You know that I like ketchup and mustard with my fries.

00:27:25.980 I like ketchup, mustard, and mayo.

00:27:27.540 I do my, the trifecta.

00:27:28.700 Oh, right.

00:27:29.500 The Holy Trinity.

00:27:30.540 Wow.

00:27:31.480 I'm making, again, jumping wildly from topic to topic, but I make Alison Roman's new cookbook,

00:27:36.600 Something from Nothing, which is simply fantastic.

00:27:39.160 Oh, yeah.

00:27:39.920 Drop it in the hang shop now.

00:27:41.520 Oh, yeah.

00:27:41.980 And it's so, and it's so gorgeous.

00:27:43.400 And by the way, what's a real thrill about it, and this is like, you know, what the book

00:27:47.880 is, but you really can just open to a page and go, oh, my God, likely I have all these

00:27:52.700 ingredients already in my home. 0.99

00:27:54.080 Damn. 0.99

00:27:54.640 Like, that's the whole idea. 0.99

00:27:55.760 Wait, have I alerted you that I have made, based alone on you talking about, you telling me verbally, the secret, the pasta salad, right?

00:28:06.640 Hers.

00:28:07.040 Has led, in the quick pickling.

00:28:08.580 Yes.

00:28:09.120 Yeah.

00:28:09.600 And sun-dried tomato has led to me spontaneously, you know, utilizing those ingredients without thought in my instant pot.

00:28:18.180 Okay, so I got the capers lying around.

00:28:21.060 I picked up some sun-dried tomatoes.

00:28:22.780 Okay.

00:28:23.180 What else did I throw in there?

00:28:24.640 Just made of pasta, but brought in a sun-dried tomato, brought it through all of the...

00:28:30.500 Yeah, I like sour tangs, okay?

00:28:33.700 You know, the amatriciani we talk about.

00:28:35.780 So I'm like loading it up.

00:28:37.980 One day I went too far, okay?

00:28:40.520 With the pickled, with the onion, because I literally got a full pickled onion.

00:28:44.220 I know that's different.

00:28:45.300 I know that's not what it is.

00:28:46.300 It's been a quick pickle.

00:28:46.960 Like in a jar, rinsed it.

00:28:48.100 This was a budget version.

00:28:49.580 Well, Allison, she gave me the strength to quick pickle.

00:28:52.360 because I see quick, quick, I go, I'm not ready for that.

00:28:54.800 I'm just, it's too much.

00:28:56.500 Yeah.

00:28:56.660 It's, it's not too much.

00:28:57.780 It's perfect.

00:28:58.320 It's literally just.

00:28:58.880 And that sun-dried tomato pasta is in this book

00:29:02.500 along with the pasta that I'm making tonight for dinner.

00:29:06.100 Lemon pepper pasta.

00:29:08.760 See, the problem for me is anytime there's a pasta recipe

00:29:11.460 that is not tomato.

00:29:13.620 You're out. 1.00

00:29:14.420 I start to go, fuck. 1.00

00:29:15.940 No, no. 1.00

00:29:16.300 I start to go, or would I rather have the tomato?

00:29:18.900 Yeah.

00:29:19.760 It's almost like I need it also.

00:29:21.340 it needs to be like i mean i can manage let's get real i need to accidentally not have any

00:29:26.940 tomato based products that's the thing i almost i would never get a cacio i'm so scared of

00:29:31.400 tomatoes right now due to my latest allergy outbreak kate i saw an instagram two two of

00:29:37.320 them two instagrams changed my life okay one ago by the way i have a complaint against apple do

00:29:44.620 you use airpods no exactly so and i'm sure i've brought it up before but it just come to a head

00:29:51.120 again for me. The remote, too small, right? The Apple TV. It's a laugh and a half. It's not Zen

00:29:58.040 to have a tiny remote that's never not between the couch cushions. It's impossible to find at

00:30:03.080 all moments. Yeah, credit card size. And that slips around in your fingers. Two, AirPods, okay?

00:30:09.740 They don't fit my ears right, blah, blah. But I've been around people who are committed to the

00:30:14.400 airpod chris included okay a friend of mine i'm sorry is it zen is it okay is it is it is it steve

00:30:21.040 jobs you know zen simplicity of design to watch them on their knees hunting in the airport okay

00:30:30.060 in the tsa line chris dives under on his knees okay dives and military crawls under the ropes

00:30:39.380 to seize his

00:30:42.360 AirPods. Then

00:30:44.180 we're walking, crossing to where

00:30:46.520 you get the, if you do Uber

00:30:48.580 Black and you can do the curbside with the code,

00:30:50.540 it's a whole new thing at JFK. You need to try it.

00:30:52.660 Okay? You don't have to look for your

00:30:54.560 car. It's just the first Uber is in line.

00:30:56.340 It becomes your Uber. Whatever. Genius.

00:30:58.540 Well, finally, someone fucking figured 0.99

00:31:00.600 it out. Someone fucking figured it out. 1.00

00:31:02.040 Jesus Christ. Like animals down here. 1.00

00:31:04.880 Rooting. It was a huge quote.

00:31:06.840 The biggest overhaul in years.

00:31:08.400 the new york times on the side of a building at jfk because like you know they're overhauling

00:31:11.780 it was like it was like a blurb about their rental anyway walking across the street okay

00:31:17.520 crossing to the the uber i see a lone air pod on the floor okay go oh we just see it we go

00:31:24.100 i saw a lone air pod i scoff at steve jobs for this i scoff i saw a lone air pod where was i 0.80

00:31:33.240 i saw one and i go that sucks sucks someone's yeah and does resting it on a ledge is that the 0.86

00:31:40.520 answer i've been waking up i've been as you know i've been stressed out about oh what happened 0.96

00:31:46.080 the last year plus waking up in the middle of the night not every night but kind of most nights

00:31:51.780 right this has been upsetting to me the other night this is what happens does this happen to

00:31:55.920 you i woke up in the night from honestly kind of an upsetting nightmare which is kind of interesting

00:31:59.640 when that happens it feels more I'll take that over just why am I awake I woke up and I was kind

00:32:05.660 of tossing and turning and I go I'm accepting it I go I will have been awake for like three hours

00:32:11.960 on this night I was like this is like three and a half hours in the middle of the night I'm awake

00:32:15.260 can't sleep this has been the aura ring which I disavow but literally wait disavow this is where

00:32:22.720 it's helpful where it measures where it's like oh I was actually awake for an hour and 15 minutes

00:32:27.560 whatever the point is oh right wait why are you disavowing it is it like owned by hell it's evil 0.97

00:32:32.720 yeah yeah exactly well fuck me what was i gonna say oh oh well just so last night i said last 0.99

00:32:40.560 night i was like i really want to sleep through the night tonight and i said i was like out loud 0.99

00:32:43.740 i was like i pray to the sleep angels please let me see you through the night good and guess what

00:32:48.140 i did but there's another key element here which is that i took two hits off a joint before going

00:32:54.740 to sleep i wake up in the morning it opened the door for the sleep angels to enter yeah exactly

00:32:59.620 8 15 alarm goes off not even i woke up naturally 8 15 i go oh was it the sleep angels or was it the

00:33:06.740 weed and i and then i'm like well is this this is what i've been hearing my whole life right what i

00:33:12.060 smoke weed to sleep and i've always gone smoking weed to sleep i just don't really and i go is

00:33:16.260 that's what's good is that what is coming down well the pipeline for me because i'm sorry but i

00:33:21.240 it was real and sleep gummies so as you know as everyone knows the agent not till and i do expect

00:33:29.440 a free shipment because i have been pushing it so hard but their sleep relaxation drink pouch

00:33:35.540 which i love the tart cherry no melatonin that i've been loving i went to pause spa

00:33:41.080 to get a drip a couple weeks ago so i was feeling like i might be coming down with something

00:33:46.380 and they had they have a little store they have little things and i've been known to buy things

00:33:51.120 from there including the reishi loose leaf tea which i'm now completely obsessed with a third

00:33:55.700 bag wait is that the one that's in the oh no i'm thinking something else because remember i i bought

00:34:00.920 into that as you know tea that's not shoe leather and sawdust as you say yeah right i find on the

00:34:07.100 so i'm at the pause spa and there's one box left of this sleep gummies and i flip flip it over

00:34:14.960 what's in here cbd l-theanine classic bl-theanine they push that i go sure for whatever reason i'm

00:34:23.440 just like let's try it out because i've been waking up in the night i get it home what do

00:34:28.200 you think about this so i open it's a it's a paper box i flip open the top full rat inside i know

00:34:34.420 basically there's a glass it's like grandfather's apothecary there's like a glass it was 50 okay

00:34:40.100 it's expensive but i guess that's kind of what these things cost yeah there's a glass jar i go

00:34:44.460 I like that no label on it sometimes just to go grab it just like a raw jar with a big cork in

00:34:50.740 the top no plastic seal no factory seal how do you feel about that for a supplement I find it a

00:34:56.920 little a little goofy I thought it was goofy I know I've said this before you can fake a seal

00:35:02.780 this was literally I just go wait are you kidding me there's no there's no there's no writing on the

00:35:08.140 jar which is chic I'm like well this is the future right but it's just oh I gotta go right

00:35:13.380 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:13.860 I want to see it.

00:35:14.360 I'm sorry, but I have to show you.

00:35:15.420 And by the way, there's no tape.

00:35:16.780 It's not sealed.

00:35:17.620 I just pop open the top.

00:35:18.900 Wait, what brand is this?

00:35:20.180 I don't even know.

00:35:21.640 I threw away the box.

00:35:23.060 The lemonade stand?

00:35:25.880 Grandfather's apothecary.

00:35:26.980 The Paws franchise owner's child?

00:35:29.420 Isn't it?

00:35:29.980 I don't know.

00:35:30.560 Yeah, Kate.

00:35:31.620 This is it.

00:35:32.340 That's weird.

00:35:33.040 I need to see the bag.

00:35:35.140 Did the bag look branded?

00:35:37.160 Yes.

00:35:37.580 Okay.

00:35:38.120 At the bottom here.

00:35:39.700 Silo Uete?

00:35:41.780 No. 0.95

00:35:42.580 look that up i even went to the website because i go i kind of want to know what the fuck i'm 0.64

00:35:46.440 yeah okay here it is i found it okay here it is okay silhouette i'd be shocked i'd be shocked

00:35:54.860 by opening that okay something is weird here now i need to look it up okay i found it i found it

00:36:01.820 wait are you able to share your screen i don't know how the bottom do you see it it might say 0.97

00:36:05.840 share wait wait i want to see it it'd be hysterical do you have like a bunch of shit or 0.97

00:36:11.400 because you're you're um no it's fine there's nothing here actually i can't wait for you to 0.87

00:36:14.700 see okay share okay all right this is so funny how ridiculous is this i'll look it up what is

00:36:19.960 it called silhouette p-s-i-l-o yeah silhouette panic disorders jesus guys wait wait silhouette

00:36:27.700 what's the spelling you just said like p-s-i like silo yeah p-s-i-l-o and it's not psilocybin

00:36:34.600 no i guess they make those too they must okay functional gummies all right i'm on their site

00:36:41.300 I see I see the packaging panic disorders what's going on guys energy stack hypnotic stack macro

00:36:50.420 500 this must be what I have no this is like macro dosing okay this is weird no this is

00:36:56.700 no this is psilocybin literally to like trip but that's definitely the brand what the hell

00:37:02.700 yeah micro dose gummies because the this is so weird what what what I have no what I have is not

00:37:09.860 on the website this is a mystery this is chair company the daughter made this is this is literally

00:37:16.380 the daughter made it franchise owner's daughter made it silhouette sleep gummies i'm looking up

00:37:21.660 nowhere to be found they're nowhere sleep stack no this is not what i'm what i have this had

00:37:28.300 because i read the i read the label and it did not have mushroom it was l-theanine cbd you know

00:37:34.580 what i gotta say real quick just an acting burst okay an act an acting concept okay i should be

00:37:42.640 auditioning for dramas well duh okay it's like you know what i mean i mean of course or at very least

00:37:51.440 like the comedy needs to be it's just i don't know sorry i'm just i'm thinking about the audition

00:37:58.060 you know you know like another failed audition and it's like like it's like sort of broad comedy

00:38:04.120 that is like it's like i don't know it's like yeah i guess i i can do it but there's a better 0.85

00:38:10.580 path for me of course i'm just thinking because because wait what the fuck why did i say this 0.93

00:38:17.680 because oh oh wait but but change my life are you ready it's related so doubling down on christmas 0.94

00:38:26.160 wish okay which is the sleep eight eight sleep eight sleep eight sleep eight right so what do

00:38:31.980 i read now you know i love to have a big meal before i go to bed essentially right that's just

00:38:37.180 how it work tends to work out of course to weigh down the stomach weigh down the body yeah classic

00:38:41.320 you know what do you hear a thousand reasons that you know you shouldn't do that you're not getting

00:38:47.560 true rest blah blah i've heard it a million ways and i just kind of go yeah i know but whatever

00:38:52.460 then i read this instagram carousel of you know whatever just you know tips whatever something

00:38:59.400 and they quote some doctor or something and he goes he goes sleep is surgery yeah gets in there

00:39:07.460 on the brain it's brain surgery okay why would you mess with that essentially why would you throw

00:39:12.860 if you're doing brain surgery why are you like putting the you know asking the body to not be 0.64

00:39:18.120 in whatever i don't know something about it i go holy shit sleep is surgery and i go i'm not 0.98

00:39:23.880 fucking around anymore okay what i take freaking antidepressants i i do all these modalities and i 0.97

00:39:30.920 haven't dialed in my sleep i know perfectly i know and i call myself you know it's like 0.98

00:39:37.320 what no let's get it so i've been thinking a lot about sleep consistency which you know of course

00:39:42.280 the whoop tracks by the way whoop community is coming together the hag whoop community you'll

00:39:46.640 see it in the hag shop send me the whoop i know and i need i need a new one too okay um but but

00:39:53.860 but, but there's a, once you, you know, go to the hack shop, whatever, click the link in the,

00:39:57.780 in the newsletter email, the weekly, you go in there. Yes. You get your month three, blah,

00:40:02.080 blah, blah. Point is after you're a member, there's a code to join our community. There's

00:40:07.680 like 20 of us in there chatting. You're in a live chat with me. Okay. It's the ultimate access.

00:40:13.960 Anyway, I'm dying. Okay. Okay. It's like so cute in there. They're like, Hey guys. Someone's like,

00:40:19.980 hey, I'm really struggling. How the hell do I get my HRV back up in the clouds? It's unbelievable.

00:40:27.880 Anyway, micro communities for hags all over the place. So God, hags are good. I said to Chris, 1.00

00:40:34.720 I go, the average hag. I go, it's like you meet him. You're like, yeah. You're like, 1.00

00:40:40.040 speaking of hag. I'd be friends. Shout out to yesterday. I am outside Maru Coffee on Hillhurst 1.00

00:40:46.380 here in los angeles and a woman runs out of her car i'm a huge i'm a huge hag i love poop sorry

00:40:53.800 i'm being very fast my son's in the car but i just i i love you i love you she goes i've offered

00:40:58.280 you and jack gonna come stay at my house and like arrowhead oh i yes i have her i go what okay great

00:41:04.120 i go like arrowhead yeah yeah i have her i have her email okay great yeah yeah snow retreat

00:41:09.840 snow and she runs it like it's like an airbnb or whatever she's not like come over no no i

00:41:14.820 understand. To be clear, folks. Totally. It's just not like a...

00:41:16.980 The emails start rolling in.

00:41:18.820 Yeah. It's been a weekend with us.

00:41:21.120 No, I want that. I want that bad.

00:41:23.060 That was the one thing. And then another thing was like, you know,

00:41:24.940 neurodivergent, whatever, like, da-da-da.

00:41:26.860 It was like, you know, is this you? Whatever.

00:41:28.840 But it was like, it was like taking like an extraordinarily

00:41:31.120 long time to explain something really

00:41:32.800 simple because you have anticipated

00:41:34.840 all the ways you could potentially be

00:41:36.700 misunderstood. I go, so my personality

00:41:38.900 in a single bullet point? Yeah.

00:41:41.080 Exactly. Exactly. Whoa.

00:41:43.240 Also overlaps with trauma.

00:41:44.820 it doesn't at all no sleep i completely am with you sleep oh and sleep consistency because

00:41:52.460 which whoop tracks that's what i'm saying going to bed at the same time when i went to the sleep

00:41:58.040 center okay when i was a young woman working at the ad agency and sleeping 28 hours blah blah

00:42:03.960 she goes look if you're out out doing comedy shows late night every night that's fine

00:42:10.640 Your schedule can be 1 a.m. to 9 a.m.

00:42:13.520 Right, just keep it consistent.

00:42:14.960 But keep it.

00:42:16.840 I go, well, that's cool.

00:42:19.840 Oh, yeah.

00:42:20.960 No, I'm totally with you.

00:42:22.200 We're going to dial in sleep.

00:42:23.400 We're going to dial in sleep for the holiday season into the new year.

00:42:26.380 I've got a Lexapro prescription I'm thinking of playing with.

00:42:29.660 Oh, my God, you got it?

00:42:30.980 I mean, you got the script in hand?

00:42:32.480 It's at Save-On.

00:42:33.460 I haven't picked it up.

00:42:34.300 I haven't put it in my mouth yet.

00:42:36.340 It's at Save-On.

00:42:37.020 I can pick it up any second.

00:42:37.880 What is that?

00:42:38.680 What's what?

00:42:39.740 Savon?

00:42:40.380 Savon Pharmacy?

00:42:42.580 Is that a California thing?

00:42:44.680 It must be.

00:42:45.980 It's as ubiquitous as CVS.

00:42:48.160 It sounds like Savon.

00:42:50.180 Is it like a French pharmacy?

00:42:51.700 Because that's what it sounds like.

00:42:52.680 Oh my God, if only.

00:42:53.860 I love that idea. 1.00

00:42:54.800 It's S-A-V-O-N. 1.00

00:42:57.760 It ain't French, honey. 1.00

00:42:59.500 Yeah, no, S-A-V-A-N, like Savon, Savon. 0.57

00:43:02.200 It's as ubiquitous as CVS or Walgreens to me.

00:43:05.580 Wow.

00:43:06.540 Wow, the different cultures.

00:43:07.520 So, yeah, yeah, as we've discussed, a little lexic pro to ease the burden.

00:43:13.340 Could be huge.

00:43:14.460 For you, you might just create a little space before the spiral.

00:43:18.340 Just a little space you need to escape. 1.00

00:43:20.360 Fuck, fuck. 1.00

00:43:22.280 It's funny, like. 1.00

00:43:23.000 And I got to get the ADD under control this year.

00:43:25.780 Oh, well, well, I mean, there's a lot.

00:43:30.420 Well, I'm just, I know I've brought it up before.

00:43:32.020 I really should do, okay, holiday lists, if they're not already out by the time this lands.

00:43:37.520 um this week i was thinking but some curations i've i've got planned for the hag shop the

00:43:44.140 newsletter whatever i'm going oh my god i'm going because with all my deep research with

00:43:47.980 it with my wearables gonna have my wearable list i'm gonna do a cat product list that's coming i

00:43:54.080 haven't talked about about the cat situation we'll save it for product corner but you mentioned a

00:43:58.260 certain cat item which i was actually looking up this morning considering buying oh my god

00:44:02.360 Frankie and Luna the cats my parents

00:44:04.300 Cats okay I was

00:44:06.380 Going to suggest it was a subtle suggestion

00:44:08.440 I was like it's expensive but it's

00:44:10.400 Worth it

00:44:10.940 So well I got confused because we'll

00:44:14.460 Talk about it in product corner we should

00:44:16.160 Probably shift to product corner yeah we should

00:44:18.060 But just make sure everyone just

00:44:20.100 Just just just

00:44:21.020 Keep an eye because we're

00:44:23.800 Happy holidays

00:44:26.080 I hope everyone's got the Christmas

00:44:28.140 Bonus the bonus the December bonus

00:44:30.280 Early to because

00:44:31.540 because we're getting close folks anyway all right so let's go to product corner so we can

00:44:37.100 get into some of that i love you i love you

00:45:01.540 Thank you.

Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - December 16, 2025

Sleep is Surgery

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