Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - July 22, 2025


Soy Sisters

Topics
Something Horse-Related The Ontology of the Birthday

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Length

37 minutes

Words per minute

178.41

Word count

6,751

Sentence count

285

Harmful content

Misogyny

3

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Toxicity

48

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Hate speech

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00:00:00.000 Two best friends, both alike in dignity, nurturing phantoms and courting the muse. 1.00
00:00:07.400 The hag divines when something must die. 0.95
00:00:09.740 Yes, that was Poogh. 0.96
00:00:10.840 But this is huge. 0.73
00:00:12.420 The ego loves to seek, but never to find.
00:00:15.240 It was Berlant and Novak the whole time.
00:00:20.140 Recording.
00:00:21.300 Oh.
00:00:22.300 I have been really experiencing today.
00:00:26.360 Yeah.
00:00:26.780 in the last few weeks or days the like i must remember this i will remember this to talk about
00:00:33.980 with kate and it's like i can feel like the shape of an idea it's really maddening and this is why
00:00:42.480 my only answer will be journal around the neck right i mean you know i'm in new york i don't
00:00:49.120 have any my my vests i've got a little phone note and i've got one too i guess technically
00:00:55.220 I made it up today, earlier today, because I was in the field and I was like, I want to discuss being kissed on the cheek by men, obviously.
00:01:05.300 So, first of all, I really like the European greeting of, you know, like I think that's classy.
00:01:11.740 Yes.
00:01:12.020 I'm actually really impressed when younger men, younger meaning, you know, under, let's say under 45, do that.
00:01:19.900 I think it's elegant.
00:01:21.320 You're like, oh.
00:01:22.440 But listen to me.
00:01:23.600 I didn't know you had that in you.
00:01:24.840 The whole, exactly. The whole point of the, or even the single, you're not actually laying your fucking lips on the person's cheek. You are going cheek to cheek, making the sound. 0.99
00:01:40.820 In the air near their ear.
00:01:42.400 And something's happening where today I got a full, two wet lips on my cheek.
00:01:51.040 Was it wet when they pulled away?
00:01:52.780 Like, could you have wiped something away?
00:01:54.620 Not thickly, but...
00:01:56.100 Well, it was to say I got it coming and leaving.
00:01:59.540 And when I left, I literally went into the bathroom and sprayed a product that I'll be
00:02:04.040 talking about in Product Corner, which is a wonderful antiviral...
00:02:08.080 I think I know what it is.
00:02:09.320 Yeah, it's fabulous.
00:02:10.360 I can only see the color.
00:02:11.240 You're pixelated, of course.
00:02:12.400 It's in my purse at all times, and I sprayed it on my face.
00:02:15.720 And I want to be clear.
00:02:17.700 This doesn't – I'm, like, suddenly afraid the man's listening.
00:02:19.800 He's absolutely not.
00:02:21.140 But it didn't make me think less of him as a person.
00:02:24.380 It's more just, like, what's going on.
00:02:25.880 Because a couple weeks ago, a man in his, I'd say, early 60s, two wet kisses on each cheek.
00:02:32.780 Wet, wet.
00:02:34.660 What do you mean?
00:02:35.300 He went boom, boom, boom, boom?
00:02:37.520 Sorry, sorry.
00:02:38.160 One on each cheek.
00:02:39.480 One more.
00:02:40.460 But –
00:02:41.100 with the sound, and I go, and it's like, my face is wet.
00:02:48.900 Well, that's where the act is just to go, and then they go, oh, I'm sorry.
00:02:55.500 You go, oh, no need to be sorry.
00:02:56.860 Of course, I'm not going to leave that on my face.
00:02:59.660 Yeah, yeah.
00:03:00.120 No, I just can't have your saliva.
00:03:03.100 You're not allowed, you know, that's the thing, politeness.
00:03:06.380 And at the time, I was post-microneedling.
00:03:08.660 I was still healing from microneedling, and I was like, oh,
00:03:10.600 his like his my face is now a petri dish of his yeah bacterial profile well it's like the
00:03:17.920 microneedling opened up exactly it opened up the port the channels so that exactly his kiss could
00:03:23.860 could permeate the depth of the dermis vile so anyway but i just want to say i love the
00:03:28.920 and but something the full wet kiss am i wrong that's the whole point of that you're not actually
00:03:34.660 going i don't know i mean i don't know i find i find the double look you're in europe of course
00:03:43.300 you're thrilled yeah here on american soil takes up a little bit too much time 0.94
00:03:47.900 what do you think about this because suddenly i go am i the asshole so you know there's a there's 0.97
00:03:53.540 a nasty summer cold going around covid's going around as it always is or whatever so i've been 0.97
00:03:59.540 feeling a little bit just slightly remember to wash those hands remember that okay shaking hands
00:04:07.780 all day long like not that i'm shaking hands all day long but what do you think about and i felt 0.96
00:04:11.500 like an asshole today but someone in for a handshake and i went can we bump and i gave them 0.96
00:04:16.600 my fist to do a face to do a fist bump oh yeah that's okay right it really makes you feel like 1.00
00:04:21.280 an asshole yeah you just gotta be careful later the way that you manage your anxiety and thinking 0.99
00:04:25.280 about colds isn't oh no i know biting down on the on the fist bump right like like because it's like 1.00
00:04:30.540 it's like you're protecting the palm when like are you ever licking your own palm this is a huge
00:04:34.680 question i think about this constantly because i typically in a pinch an elevator button someone
00:04:40.000 like that oh exactly ideally i'm not pressing it with my hand but if i do i do knuckle right i do
00:04:44.480 the point of the knuckle boom and then what am i doing later oh i have an eye itch egg let's get
00:04:50.100 in with the knuckle right the only thing touching nothing this is huge i don't think anyone's
00:04:55.220 ever discussed this because this is the major issue so where else do i do that oh well like
00:05:00.200 we're trying to open doors you know there's a door at the coffee shop like i push open
00:05:05.100 one of my hooves okay i reach i reach nine feet into the air like push it from there the top
00:05:09.680 for this part yeah but like yeah back of the hand over and over again everything with the back of
00:05:14.680 the hand or another one let's say the sleeve you go i'll remember later right this sleeve is going
00:05:19.540 to go straight into the whatever right now the sleeve is my glove i'm gonna use it to open a
00:05:22.780 door handle and then later exactly i'm gonna oh i don't want to use my dirty hand i'm gonna wipe
00:05:28.060 my eye with the corner of my sleeve it's a massive issue it's exactly the sleeve i know what do you
00:05:34.020 is the move to let go of that the the main hand the main paw and just your let the paw yeah be 0.70
00:05:41.700 dirty work on antibacterial work on washing it work on the spray such a drag kate who has a time
00:05:48.220 You're not doing hand sanitizer spray a lot? 1.00
00:05:50.800 Never
00:05:51.120 Kate, I think
00:05:53.660 I haven't sprayed my hands with hand sanitizer
00:05:56.420 Since someone I was near
00:05:58.860 Was doing it to their own
00:05:59.960 And said, you want some?
00:06:00.660 And I said, sure
00:06:01.140 You haven't had a cold in a long time, huh?
00:06:04.160 Not to tempt the fates
00:06:05.240 But I do track you
00:06:06.980 Yeah
00:06:07.800 I passed through in the pharmacy today
00:06:10.300 I passed through the cold section
00:06:12.340 And I had the kind of like
00:06:13.640 Strangers passing the night
00:06:16.880 Like I was like
00:06:17.540 oh you like i was like old friend i don't see you soon you know like well that's what's funny
00:06:22.100 about when you see day quill and night quill because this is the classic thing packing for
00:06:25.240 a trip anything i've started to pack day quill and night quill you know pills when i go away 0.77
00:06:30.880 just going god fucking forbid because when you need it you can't believe how desperate you are 0.84
00:06:35.400 for it yeah and when you don't have a cold a cold feels impossible like like that it's the 0.97
00:06:41.080 furthest thing from you so i started packing and then yeah when i you see when you go through the
00:06:46.520 cold out i know exactly that feeling you're like you and you know we'll be back you know what i
00:06:50.700 heard and who knows that this is real of course can't we it's actually not you know people you 0.96
00:06:55.580 hear people i haven't had a cold in five years not a good sign shit my father that you actually
00:07:02.240 want your system is actually supposed to it's actually a sign kind of a healthy immune system
00:07:08.280 not to be terribly ill of course but having a cold every now and then that's really suits me
00:07:13.300 as someone who fears colds in a way that's pathological and you know rooted in obsession
00:07:17.800 and ultimately larger more existential fears um but it feels kind of good to know it's like it's
00:07:23.900 okay because whenever i get oh god i could get a cold oh god it's coming it's like and for anyone
00:07:28.720 right now who's listening battling a little something you feel tickle in the back of your
00:07:31.960 throat it's okay you'll move through it you'll be okay but doesn't it feel kind of good to know
00:07:37.340 that that's important like you're you're supposed to it's nice that's nice although i'll have to go
00:07:42.500 straight to my father and tell him he's doing something wrong you know because he's like i
00:07:47.760 haven't had a cold in five years so yeah yeah he's like um i guess the athletic greens are working
00:07:53.600 if you listen to the pod you know that we are a fan a big fan of one skin here i have used the
00:08:05.400 serum we've begged for their products since we first heard about them then what happened well
00:08:10.820 How do I say this? One skin is what I call a something's up product. What does that mean?
00:08:16.640 That means I use the products and then I go, wait, something's up. What have I been using?
00:08:22.180 Oh, one skin. And that's how I know to keep it in the rotation and keep trying your other products.
00:08:27.680 One of my other ways of identifying a quality product, I run out. Yeah, that means something's
00:08:33.000 up. Something's up and I run out. That's a quality product. And that has been happening
00:08:37.660 with OneSkin. First their topical serum, then their SPF, now their body product. I can't get
00:08:43.460 enough. I'm thrilled that we're in bed with them. I'm getting excited just talking about it. I
00:08:47.600 remember also the OneSkin serum seeing hags who have used it writing in saying, why is this serum 1.00
00:08:53.660 working so well? What is going on? And to be clear, the serum, the texture of it is like a cream. 0.98
00:08:59.660 It's unlike anything else you're going to use. And I really have found skin improvement,
00:09:05.680 skin texture improvement with time when I'm really sticking to the one skin. I'm loving the
00:09:11.680 under eye cream. I've been using that and I'm very, very vocal about the fact that their body
00:09:17.780 sunscreen is my favorite. It's so luxurious and moisturizing. I'm also a huge fan of the body
00:09:25.520 serum. For me, despite having tried many of the products, the big winner for me has been the SPF
00:09:31.040 that I took with me all throughout Europe and just absolutely love the texture of. I also remember
00:09:36.800 when I was using OneSkin, I ran into a incredibly glamorous, beautiful woman and she is, not that 0.99
00:09:43.500 it matters, but French. And she was saying that this is her favorite product line. So that also
00:09:48.840 sealed the deal for me. For a limited time, you can try OneSkin for 15% off using the code HAGS
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00:09:57.640 With OneSkin, your skin can stay healthy, strong, and hydrated at every age.
00:10:08.400 You know what's weird?
00:10:09.440 I saw Gwyneth, GP.
00:10:12.120 She was on something for Goop, and she said she takes this electrolyte called Cure.
00:10:18.580 And I go, huh, I saw it at Erewhon.
00:10:20.440 Yeah. 0.99
00:10:20.700 By the way, I went to Erewhon yesterday, and I go, fuck this. 0.99
00:10:24.960 I mean, it's just, for grocery store, sure, but the food, I'm completely over. 0.98
00:10:30.620 That being said, I'll continue to hemorrhage money there. 0.99
00:10:33.040 Wait, fuck this, what? 0.99
00:10:34.120 Just Erewhon, and by the way, I'm on such a matcha kick right now, that I was at Erewhon, and I go, I want a matcha so bad. 0.99
00:10:41.280 These people are walking around going, oh, you're at Erewhon?
00:10:44.080 That's the perfect place to get a matcha latte, doll.
00:10:46.960 And you're going now? 1.00
00:10:48.040 I drove 20 minutes to Koreatown to get a matcha latte, because I was like, I don't want this shit. 1.00
00:10:53.880 tea kettle oh kettle no kettle's the most feels i went there today this shout out to yeems y-e-e-m-s 0.98
00:11:01.320 in korea town um i guess it is kind of like a you know blew up on tiktok whatever when i went
00:11:06.540 there was absolutely no line i didn't get i don't get anything fancy i don't get muck in the cream 0.94
00:11:10.740 tops and the strawberry whatever i get a fucking soy iced latte matcha it was strong and that means 0.94
00:11:18.980 That's a lot to me. 0.98
00:11:20.500 Because we all know the way.
00:11:22.660 Yeah.
00:11:22.900 No, it's all about soy.
00:11:24.180 I've been doing soy at the house and the coffees in the morning.
00:11:26.940 Single-handedly, we bring back soy.
00:11:29.440 We should be doing soy ads.
00:11:31.220 Oh, my God.
00:11:32.560 Do we only have silk?
00:11:34.140 I need a contemporary.
00:11:35.720 Oh, her pen's gone.
00:11:36.500 What do you get?
00:11:37.180 What?
00:11:37.520 I have a few ideas.
00:11:38.960 Okay, we could go Plant Strong.
00:11:41.060 They sell other milks, but you know I love Plant Strong, the Esselstyn family.
00:11:45.160 And then I, what is the one I really trust?
00:11:47.720 oh like new eden or eden eden yeah yeah yeah that's what they have at kettle it's very 70s
00:11:54.180 it's organic yep organic unsweetened you know i'm like do i also eat their beans is that the same
00:12:00.380 brand could be i mean soy bean yeah so i'm just thinking us soy us pushing soy is very exciting
00:12:10.020 I agree. Soy sisters instead of soul sisters, soy sisters. Tag your soy sister. Soy on the brain. Tag your soy sister. Because I'm just thinking we push soy in here. Okay. Like calling all soy merchants.
00:12:27.880 We go through a lot of soy in our house, okay, to the point where every time we're at the market, we have to get it, okay?
00:12:36.060 So I'm thinking the right brand, I'm going to need it in bulk, and that means some kind of, I don't know, I'm just thinking the right purveyor.
00:12:45.960 I'm thinking slash hags, you know. 0.94
00:12:49.120 Of course. 1.00
00:12:49.860 I'm seeing the whole thing.
00:12:51.080 Sorry, I'm just pretty pumped about this.
00:12:53.740 Can I pivot to community?
00:12:55.220 Sure can.
00:12:55.700 But all soy purveyors email us directly.
00:12:59.400 Okay.
00:13:00.360 I was walking in a neighborhood, not my own, with my partner, and we stopped.
00:13:04.160 I was admiring this front yard, like how well it was landscaped, and it was just gorgeous. 0.97
00:13:09.560 And I was like, God damn, that's good. 0.97
00:13:11.840 We're walking back. 0.99
00:13:12.880 I notice the owner of the home in the driveway getting stuff out of his car.
00:13:16.820 I go, hey, I was like, just had to say, love your garden.
00:13:19.840 Just gorgeous.
00:13:20.500 And he goes, oh, yeah.
00:13:21.820 We start chatting.
00:13:22.820 He goes, well, I'll be paying it off the next five years.
00:13:24.840 Ha, ha, ha.
00:13:25.380 we're chatting it really is expensive isn't it blah blah blah oh next thing i know i'm getting
00:13:29.400 i'm getting the number of his yard guy of his gardener and he goes yeah tell him steve sent
00:13:35.420 you and i just go isn't that gorgeous you know what's interesting to some like myself yeah who
00:13:42.840 are interested in user interfaces i should get my lima yeah i just pulled out my lima i'm gonna get
00:13:47.600 mine listening hang on get it there's nothing like watching a friend using her lima knowing you're not
00:13:55.380 hey sister soy sister
00:14:00.240 ew my lima instantly dirty because i'm putting it on top of all my sunscreen
00:14:05.440 yeah but that's fine that's what's great about lima you can put you can just use it over anything
00:14:11.220 so what were you saying about user interface okay when there's a moment where you just want
00:14:15.240 to get someone's number yeah or write down a number or any of that right it feels like the
00:14:21.520 phone you know write down a piece of information feels like we have you know this piece of
00:14:26.540 technology in our pockets it should be like the easiest thing in the world it's actually not
00:14:31.420 it's actually kind of annoying like like i find it i'm not talking about someone's contact because
00:14:37.780 now you can like bump their phone or whatever okay i don't like that i'm talking about like
00:14:40.940 opening a notes app to write down a piece of information it's hell like it's too slow well
00:14:47.960 Don't worry, it's going to be gone soon.
00:14:51.460 And lobbying your head by Christmas.
00:14:53.580 And then I struggle with, like, the conversations going, doing the task on the phone while keeping the conversation going.
00:14:59.320 Really struggle with that.
00:15:01.160 Sorry, I just had to deal with, like, a curious text.
00:15:04.900 Oh.
00:15:05.240 Like, someone here.
00:15:07.180 Let's hear it.
00:15:07.760 It's a little bit, like.
00:15:10.520 What is it?
00:15:11.040 I'll respond to it now.
00:15:12.300 What is it?
00:15:13.680 Do tell, do tell.
00:15:15.120 Oh, sorry.
00:15:15.640 Right. So, you know, the gardener, hi, Jacqueline and Chris, I'm going to be coming by the house today around six to water the plants outside.
00:15:23.140 Great. And then, hey, how are the plants inside? Do I need to come in and water them?
00:15:27.720 Now, the house manager had said to us, like, if you want to water the plants inside, you can, but also just let him do it.
00:15:35.100 Because I was like, I get nervous. Like, I always think I'm going to overwater a plant.
00:15:39.380 so i wrote while trying to stay on the podcast i wrote unsure i'm bad with plants please do come
00:15:45.980 in that was my quick and then i just wrote literally stealing like i just grow i tend
00:15:51.000 to over or under and it's not gone well yeah i mean but you're fine that's it i just like
00:15:58.400 it's more that i'm like confused by him like asking because i'm just like either we are or
00:16:03.680 not or are not responsible for them you're not because there's a gardener who's gonna come and
00:16:08.240 do them he's like sort of like trying to make me i think water them yeah i mean i'm so i was about
00:16:15.360 to this is like me rushing to be liked i was about to be like you know if you want to come in
00:16:20.280 and show me exactly the amounts you know i'll do it but no i think i think you can absolutely say
00:16:25.120 like this is really not my forte at all you know what i mean so i'm gonna let that um sit there
00:16:33.880 All right, so back to us.
00:16:35.980 Okay, I just got an email.
00:16:37.580 Explore Germany with Amex.
00:16:39.960 Hysterical.
00:16:40.920 Renting cars.
00:16:42.120 I've developed an allegiance to Sixt, S-I-X-T, car rental.
00:16:47.600 We should actually try to do a collab with them.
00:16:49.520 Don't know them.
00:16:50.740 Are they like a normal one or are they disruptors?
00:16:54.060 I think they're disruptors in the field.
00:16:55.420 I don't know why.
00:16:56.200 They're not Hertz, budget, dollar.
00:16:57.900 Yeah, there's something about them.
00:16:59.360 I don't know.
00:16:59.820 I had a really positive customer service experience with them.
00:17:03.860 them in hawaii once and then again recently i think they're disruptors in the field but i
00:17:07.960 couldn't tell you why but all of a sudden i just have the allegiance where i feel like hurts
00:17:11.680 enterprise all that like i just picture the long line it's a thing and like hell everyone does
00:17:16.780 something about six i feel like it's easy it's like a young it's it's like a wow it's a more
00:17:21.200 it's young it's streamlined it's they know you've got your phone right there i mean
00:17:24.760 dream come true i could hear you say that right so let's get them i mean that's you know that
00:17:32.340 That business is waiting, right?
00:17:35.480 Because it also just feels like this – yeah, you can picture the standing outside.
00:17:39.960 Yeah.
00:17:40.260 You know, why does it take so long?
00:17:42.300 It's like there's an issue here.
00:17:43.800 Also, like, what's going – it seems stressful.
00:17:46.140 And just my drop-off was so easy.
00:17:48.080 Oh, my God, this really feels paid for.
00:17:50.480 But I just was like, something about it, I just go.
00:17:54.140 I have to rent a car, you know, soon.
00:17:56.360 And I go, I'm going with six.
00:18:00.740 Wait, wait, wait.
00:18:01.900 Oh, by the way, there's a tagline.
00:18:03.500 I'm going with Sixth.
00:18:05.040 Because of going, driving in the car.
00:18:07.060 Yeah.
00:18:08.140 By the way, shout out.
00:18:08.980 Still some seats left for San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Denver, and Austin.
00:18:13.440 Get your tickets at kaperland.com.
00:18:15.160 Thank you so much.
00:18:15.960 Yeah.
00:18:16.680 Okay, good.
00:18:17.400 No, I say that because I'm going to.
00:18:18.780 Okay, wait.
00:18:19.260 Hold on.
00:18:19.580 Hold on.
00:18:19.880 Wait, wait, wait.
00:18:20.700 Wait, something about Sixth I was dying to say.
00:18:23.040 I'm going with Sixth.
00:18:24.340 I'm going with Sixth.
00:18:25.920 Sixth. 0.99
00:18:26.720 S-I-X-T.
00:18:28.500 I wonder, what is the Sixth related to?
00:18:30.400 I really don't know.
00:18:31.140 it's a really good point very interesting but again you know this is exactly like spontaneous
00:18:37.140 ads happen we do them enough that i say like it happens naturally enough that i believe we could
00:18:44.660 fill the ad slots with these send them after the fact integrated say you want to have you can use
00:18:54.320 you know i just think that's sort of the way started the final yeah i fell today
00:19:00.500 backwards from this chair oh my god that reminds me it's a wild feeling was it painful so
00:19:06.560 amazingly no okay was it scary sure falling is always scary so two things happened i fell and
00:19:14.280 i stayed there this is this is not new for me okay to take it in and to be yeah and to be
00:19:18.860 witnessed of course okay so i start yelling for chris okay oh no just i want to be witnessed at
00:19:24.160 the end of the fall if i get up the only joy the only the only little treat inside of fall 0.65
00:19:29.560 falling is horrible the only thing that's in there is if that's your kink 0.56
00:19:33.400 and then they gather around ew crying did you cry no it was no so here's here's what was 0.97
00:19:43.940 interesting okay i go to sit down at the desk and i've got this coffee and i had gone capless
00:19:52.440 you know no topper don't need all the plastic totally have had it walking home i do that too
00:19:58.260 no top no straw i knock it over i spill it all over myself first yeah i clean myself up i come
00:20:04.800 back i go to sit down again to get started on some work and i climb into this desk chair in
00:20:10.440 the cross-legged style that i enjoy working in that the balance was off it can't handle that
00:20:16.680 style coming from sort of behind so back i go and it's it's a wild feeling when you're falling
00:20:23.880 in a way where your limbs are constricted you cannot reach behind yourself not that's even
00:20:30.260 good you break your wrist i mean it's one of the craziest feelings like like you literally can't
00:20:35.240 do anything but wait for the hit yeah yeah totally i'm going backwards wondering is my
00:20:38.780 the back of my head going to hit the bookshelf it did not i landed without it hitting the bookshelf
00:20:43.920 as far as i remember okay and then i sat there stunned and i thought two things i'm not getting
00:20:49.260 up and getting back to the desk obviously something is throwing me from my i've tried
00:20:53.560 twice now in a row to sit down okay and get started on the work something is not i'm i meant
00:20:59.100 to consider this moment right what yeah does something happen i'll tell you off air
00:21:04.400 yeah we have off-air conversations guys some stuff's not fit for print keep going
00:21:12.960 fit for print by the way so good as a phrase no it's like hmm does it still say that on the top
00:21:21.240 of the new york times every day all the news that's fit to print i think it must yeah it must
00:21:24.920 okay keep going so down i go right well they're not yeah i found my way back earlier in the story
00:21:33.420 but i'm sitting there and i go and i have this moment where i go that was quick and i go was i
00:21:37.760 scared right yeah and i'm like i was like oh no kind of but you're in it your body's in it in this
00:21:45.900 way okay that does prevent over the course of even if it was two seconds long real meditation on it
00:21:55.300 Now, I say this because it gave me peace about, like, if horrifying, traumatic, anything were to happen.
00:22:04.740 Yeah, yeah.
00:22:05.500 I'm like, even, like, I would tend to think that two seconds even of terror, like, one Mississippi, two Mississippi, as the anvil is falling from the window towards me, like, that that would be, like, plenty of time to really be disturbed and sad and all this kind of stuff.
00:22:21.060 but falling backwards like that i was like no you're in like a you're just in a slightly
00:22:27.460 different state it's like you're in your body just handling doing what it can yeah and i found
00:22:34.100 that comforting i was like that was a good two seconds and i was completely consumed by the fall
00:22:38.940 in a way that didn't that was not existential that gave me peace about like you can fall
00:22:44.420 scary deaths yeah yeah oh my god yeah you know that it would just be like what's all thought
00:22:49.060 you know like yeah best case scenarios oh god yeah well best case scenario just and then i
00:22:56.640 sat there going why have i been thrown from the desk twice yeah what is just something with the
00:23:01.640 chair i'm supposed to sit here and i i stayed there and you know chris appears and you know
00:23:08.440 i don't know why i i yelled for you you know yeah okay i didn't hear you you know whatever
00:23:13.800 yeah and then and then i'm like i'm like and he's like here why don't you get up and i'm like no
00:23:19.580 okay i was like stuck in this position where my foot was like i was still sort of like mangled
00:23:26.960 loosely in the chair but i was sort of like into staying there like i was like there's something to
00:23:32.720 this like stay down that's supposed to be here yeah yeah zen
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00:25:38.180 I'm reading two radical books about weaving time, rivers of time.
00:25:46.360 What do you mean?
00:25:46.780 streams of time retro causality navigating timelines and the multi-worlds etc
00:25:54.540 do you want to know what they are for fun uh sure i'm reading recipes on my phone
00:26:01.440 yeah i don't remember how i got to it but this one is called a map of secret rivers how to
00:26:08.340 navigate timelines okay okay you know it's just it's a good time yeah that's all i'll say yeah
00:26:14.900 I think it's by Pippa Una.
00:26:17.620 And then the other one I'm reading, I saw somewhere.
00:26:24.340 I think someone in the Mitch Horowitz, you know, my favorite in his chat room sub stack thing.
00:26:31.120 I think someone else mentioned it.
00:26:32.840 Weaving Fates.
00:26:34.100 And it's very witchy.
00:26:36.100 What does it mean?
00:26:36.680 What does it mean?
00:26:38.520 Well, I opened it up and I look at the table of contents and I couldn't resist jumping ahead, you know, because I see this thing.
00:26:44.400 It's like one part's like the corridor, one part's like the stone, and this other part is like the black book.
00:26:50.360 And, you know, there's all this witchy stuff where, you know, you create a cloth sack and you purchase dirt by which from a crossroads to like charge all these objects up and consecrate them.
00:27:03.340 It's like purchase dirt.
00:27:04.800 You're like, what?
00:27:05.360 And it's like from a crossroads.
00:27:06.680 And it's like you go to a crossroads, whether it's a path in a park, whatever.
00:27:11.260 and you you dig up a little little dirt and you put three you have to pay for it with three silver
00:27:17.200 coins so like they're like dimes will work just fine and they're like don't do it on the way to 0.56
00:27:22.420 sign they're like go out on dirks seeking mission and then like put some of your bodily fluids in
00:27:27.160 it and they're like whatever you're comfortable with you know oh my god they're like that creates
00:27:30.820 a connection so there's this very like very like witch kind of you know magical workings part of
00:27:37.880 it but then there's you know i read things without like like particularly anything with like any sort
00:27:45.860 of magical claim without like researching the author okay and so sometimes i feel like almost
00:27:51.460 self-conscious like i'm starting to talk about this i'm saying the name of the book and someone
00:27:54.300 could do research and be like you know oh god well that person was you know a murderer and uh
00:28:00.800 right of course you know what i mean or whatever i'm very like you know i'm just saying that it's 0.60
00:28:07.340 sort of a caveat that i just fucking like read things you know what i mean so anyway it's not 0.53
00:28:12.880 an endorsement okay i'm just telling you what what what what has passed my eyes so so so then 0.81
00:28:18.980 this is all kind of about like charging up the black the black book and and then the black book
00:28:24.980 you consecrate a particular pen which excited me and there's a practice with the black book
00:28:31.260 with weaving fates that's like these journal entries where you're you know writing about the
00:28:37.140 past but in this kind of like you know like manifest-y kind of way but it's like literally
00:28:43.860 like like there was this example like this woman like dear diary you know like i had the most
00:28:48.360 incredible day like i was offered this job like whatever you know what i mean it's like and then
00:28:52.940 they keep doing it but it's more playful than that and it goes through and it's like okay that's a
00:28:56.440 little narrow that's a little not really felt sense like like you know you want to play okay
00:29:02.680 you want to get in there and if you decide like like you could try stuff out in there and then
00:29:06.140 decide you don't like it and then you can put a huge the words cancel across it like you're not
00:29:10.920 trying to do that thing but but this example had like this woman describing like getting started
00:29:15.440 taking like boxing classes and then and then boy did she have a strong hit and like the teacher 0.99
00:29:21.180 said this and all this kind of stuff and it was sort of like now is this woman like does she
00:29:24.820 actually want to start taking fighting classes or is this just something that really scares her
00:29:28.640 and so she's journaling out as though she's gone through this process and it's all been great
00:29:33.420 it's very realistic way it's like carving out new possibilities for the self by writing about
00:29:40.320 it in the past tense like in detail it's it makes sense when you're reading it you're like oh yeah
00:29:46.680 like it's very it's very interesting oh and then i ran the five minute mile or whatever yeah yeah
00:29:53.680 You know, but it's like, so there's that. And then, I mean, I can't remember if I talked on the pod or not about retrocausality. I mean, I know I said it like a minute ago, but it's like, right now I'm just like, I'm reading a lot of stuff about sort of like, not just sort of like theoretical or even like real quantum physics, like not so much of that kind of stuff about like time.
00:30:19.860 I'm more like getting in the dirt with the witches on it.
00:30:23.740 You know what I mean?
00:30:24.300 Like it's more like books like that.
00:30:26.340 Like just like let's get in there and like it's like let's fly through timelines.
00:30:30.160 Like, you know, let's send blessings into the past.
00:30:35.040 Like so you could, you know, you could send blessings now to yourself as a child.
00:30:41.520 That's cute. 0.99
00:30:42.060 In some scenario if it's, you know, that shit is not supposed to be limited by time and space. 0.96
00:30:48.340 So arguably you absolutely can, you know, send like, send like a message to yourself in the past as a child, like almost like you're going to be all right or something. 0.97
00:30:59.080 I love.
00:31:00.120 And then, you know, the effects of this, it's all this kind of time loop stuff that is exactly what I need at the end of the day to unwind and get out of the day.
00:31:13.420 Like it's literally like it's the best because it's how I transition to sleep.
00:31:17.460 i'm like i read about this stuff i get like whoa totally and then drift right off and then i want
00:31:25.060 a journey to other realms quick story we all love a period story on poog um so i classic day two of
00:31:34.900 my period going to the beach which by the way advertising is so deep in our personal language
00:31:41.000 or internal language that i was like it really is a tampon commercial isn't it here i am on the beach 0.96
00:31:46.560 and a tampon or whatever the fuck so but the point is those close to me know i'm heavy the 0.97
00:31:53.000 first couple days and um i so i'm in the bikini standing packed beach right i'm standing there 0.86
00:32:02.380 facing the water with some friends by the way there was a really serious riptide warning that
00:32:08.760 day so we weren't going like all the way in and there were lifeguards on duty coming out telling
00:32:12.780 people like get the fuck out like it was serious yeah so we're kind of just going up to our knees
00:32:17.420 and he's like you kind of feel the current like pulling like it's yeah it's like terrifying okay 0.98
00:32:21.880 so we're standing there facing the ocean I feel a tap of my shoulder I turn around there's a woman
00:32:28.480 maybe you know in her late 40s I go oh that's sweet a fan she goes hi um there's blood running
00:32:37.500 all down the back of your leg you're and i oh my god oh my god i thank you thank you i start
00:32:45.980 backing into the ocean my back to the ocean so fast into the riptide right by the way knocked
00:32:53.580 down pulled not not far out but started to be i was knocked down i'm starting to be pulled
00:32:59.720 and it was like all to avoid the embarrassment of blood i mean it's so funny and here's what
00:33:06.080 was liberating so it's never happened to me since you know since you turned 13 once you're you know
00:33:11.520 the fear of bleeding of public oh my god right it happened to me right for the first time at this
00:33:17.780 age here i was standing on the beach in the bikini stranger hey you're bleeding down your 0.98
00:33:22.940 fucking leg okay i was like it was amazing my instinct was run disappear into the ocean 0.99
00:33:32.160 i didn't feel i wouldn't say i felt embarrassed i wouldn't say i felt shame but it was like right 0.99
00:33:38.520 something overtook me run into the sea and then i of course was like to i was like i was like walk
00:33:45.600 behind me check and then it was like fine but it was like you know i was like walk behind me check
00:33:49.980 me you know i didn't want to be walking all the way back to the blanket but then i and then i was
00:33:54.620 fine but i just thought it was interesting to face that now i mean i wonder um i'm trying to
00:34:05.000 think if i've ever had i don't think i've ever had anyone else yeah a stranger to tell me which
00:34:11.260 i appreciated you know i fairly regularly straight through the jeans yeah like and it's almost like
00:34:18.940 like the other day i was like it's like i noticed it's happening get distracted okay
00:34:24.540 just straight up get distracted and then i'm like oh okay and i look down and it's sort of like
00:34:30.580 it's kind of incredible though i will say it with jeans it's almost like for the most part
00:34:36.220 the place that you can take it that it goes through is not that visible when you're standing
00:34:42.960 like usually yeah usually it's like there's also something i think like there's something about
00:34:49.360 like the period blood soaking through whatever like the jeans or the underwear or whatever it 0.97
00:34:53.960 is like visible from behind when it is when it's kind of up like heading towards the ass right 0.95
00:34:58.980 there's something about that that's almost like i feel like it has a different quality of shame to 0.92
00:35:06.900 it because it's like if it was pristinely in the center like straight down to the earth but there's 0.99
00:35:15.000 something about it like making its way up that it's kind of like headed towards the ass like 0.92
00:35:19.160 like the stain being in that kind of like not in the bottom but like here like out of 45 to like 0.98
00:35:24.420 the earth yeah it's like shameful somehow like it's like well i have the most the strongest
00:35:29.920 memory of the head of my middle school walking down the hall in khakis with blood she was bleeding
00:35:34.960 to her head head of the middle school mistress head mistress of middle school and all girls
00:35:39.940 school all of us like oh my god she is black and it was like really formative i think for me i mean
00:35:46.220 hugely because and i remember feeling bad for her you know it's like people like seeing their 0.97
00:35:51.860 teacher at the grocery store freaks like the shit out of people like when you walk in on your two 0.88
00:35:55.760 teacher's fucking um but yeah but i also and then i like intellectually i think that i'm 0.99
00:36:06.200 like i wouldn't be that freaked out like i'm kind of like i'm like chris bring a shirt or whatever 0.98
00:36:11.960 like i'm like so i can wrap it around myself like i'm not even like leaving the cafe i'm just kind
00:36:16.220 of like it's sort of in this i don't know the other thing though like i like what rules me more
00:36:23.120 is I hesitate before sitting on almost any light-colored sofa or chair in life.
00:36:33.920 I know.
00:36:34.580 There's like a constant fear.
00:36:37.460 It's terrifying.
00:36:38.880 And yeah, I'm always sort of sitting on my own leg or doing something else.
00:36:45.320 It's like, it's a really bad feeling when you go, oh God, like what just happened?
00:36:50.380 And did I just have to stand up from this person's beige chair?
00:36:57.380 Yeah.
00:36:58.520 I mean, it's primal to leave a stain, is it not?
00:37:02.060 It is.
00:37:03.380 It's often all we leave behind.
00:37:06.260 Okay, well, love you.
00:37:08.120 Love you.
00:37:20.380 We'll be right back.