Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - The Courage to Unpack

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant. I'm Jacqueline Novak. And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation

00:00:05.780 about wellness between two obsessive friends, two untamable intellects. This is our hobby.

00:00:10.780 This is our hell. This is our naked desire for free products. This is POOG. Today's topic,

00:00:16.120 loosely speaking, TV mornings, love ahead, Sandy and POOG.

00:00:20.840 yo yo yo greetings i'm into the spirit right now with the poog with eavesdroppers right which is

00:00:33.020 this kind of i don't know it's it's like and you know the audio may suffer okay but not really

00:00:40.380 not really it's fine and yes this isn't going to be the plan forever like this

00:00:45.400 mic i'm gonna get my setup better crack on the cells 0.85

00:00:51.180 and i just think walking poog you know closet fucking clean out poog this is real well guess 0.92

00:01:04.140 what guess what i'm packing for new york today tomorrow i think my doorbell my doorbell is about 0.98

00:01:10.360 to get wrong the tree trimmer um is he

00:01:14.060 okay yeah one second i'll talk um i'm also standing now i need everyone to just

00:01:25.600 calm down okay about the audio i'm gonna work it out um i'm thinking standing poog okay it's it's

00:01:35.040 I need, I don't know what I need, but we have to remember that, you know, this is our show

00:01:43.340 and we can do as we please and, and we can authentically show up as we are.

00:01:49.720 While Kate is talking to someone, I'm showing off my, my gardening vest, hand dyed, hand

00:01:58.040 created, sewn, et cetera, from a hag.

00:02:02.020 If we haven't already, I'll be posting a link to their work. 1.00

00:02:07.120 It was pretty spectacular.

00:02:08.620 I also got some beans, some lima beans, Christmas lima beans from a hag in a sack.

00:02:16.000 With a little recipe on it that rocked.

00:02:20.040 I just, I was going to tell Kate about this.

00:02:22.820 So maybe I'll wait on this.

00:02:23.720 But I was looking.

00:02:25.260 I did something wild last night, which was I turned off the television.

00:02:28.380 by which I mean I said to Chris I think we have to turn off the television as though like I don't

00:02:34.000 know could we ever and then he he did it for me he was like yes we can he turned it off because I

00:02:40.840 was feeling like all right I'm gonna slip into avoidance and there's I'm so overwhelmed with

00:02:46.080 all this shit I gotta do and whatever so anyway turn it off and then I go maybe I'll do the

00:02:51.720 unthinkable and unpack my suitcase which is not something I normally do okay it's sort of sort of 0.98

00:03:00.060 happens like oh wait where's my blah blah oh it's in the suitcase oh it's dirty okay I guess I'll

00:03:04.740 go in the hamper or oh where's my blah blah oh it's in there oh it never got worn oh or it's

00:03:09.900 time to and slowly things can't sort of make their way out of it and then the backpack and

00:03:15.300 those kind of bags that are just filled with just not filled but there's all these loose things that

00:03:20.640 They're just hard to know what to do with.

00:03:24.320 Sorry.

00:03:25.200 Oh, she's back.

00:03:27.240 Don't worry.

00:03:27.760 I was monologuing.

00:03:29.040 Okay.

00:03:29.380 I love that.

00:03:30.200 The tree trimmer is here.

00:03:31.280 I got a couple of things.

00:03:32.640 Oh, yeah.

00:03:33.200 Just feel so on top of it.

00:03:34.440 Power line going through a tree in the front.

00:03:35.920 Got to get it trimmed for safety.

00:03:36.900 It's a trimmer, not a surgeon.

00:03:38.280 That's a different thing.

00:03:39.500 No.

00:03:39.760 Because you know they exist.

00:03:40.460 On the way back, I grabbed a spindrift.

00:03:42.420 A tree surgeon.

00:03:43.500 Yeah.

00:03:44.220 Spindrift.

00:03:44.940 Unbelievable.

00:03:45.100 I can't believe you're back on spindrift.

00:03:46.520 I didn't know you ever were.

00:03:47.880 Island punch.

00:03:49.000 Oh, wow.

00:03:49.940 Spindrift.

00:03:50.640 Is there a pineapple flavor in it?

00:03:53.760 Passion fruit, guava.

00:03:56.180 Oh, well, guavas.

00:03:57.700 It is.

00:03:59.040 Isn't Spindrift like a notorious podcast sponsor?

00:04:02.860 Are they?

00:04:03.660 I don't know, but.

00:04:06.060 I've never seen it happen, but I'm ready for them to send us pallets.

00:04:10.480 Oh, that reminds me, Mason.

00:04:12.940 Well, a couple of things I want to tell you.

00:04:14.520 So I think it might be O'Shea.

00:04:16.820 When I was in that Cascada hotel.

00:04:19.020 That makes sense.

00:04:19.580 Okay.

00:04:19.800 no but I thought it was OC we're talking about O-S-E-A which by the way they sent us

00:04:24.520 the body oil which I love I used it once before and it has a pump which means again pump always

00:04:32.320 yes exactly so so yeah I was I was thinking we should do a full unboxing for them so anyway but

00:04:38.160 you know I was I had a call of everyone should know I had the cold the virus that I got in New

00:04:44.640 York which is I guess really going around and it's a two-week cold and it lasted for me full

00:04:49.260 I'd say 10 days 11 days because Chris has had a long cold and he's been like what the hell

00:04:54.820 why do I still have this that's what I was like I was like you know Chris like no one talks about

00:04:59.420 it people think colds are three days like sometimes colds are two weeks so and by the way my because

00:05:04.420 my experience is usually and I talked about what's in the pod it came on immediately in a scary way

00:05:08.760 where I go is it COVID but I know three four other people who have this and it's mild I would

00:05:14.140 describe it as but long and it was so long yesterday was my first day i was able to do

00:05:19.040 my 10 000 steps i've been too weak oh my god i haven't had the energy i've been like famously

00:05:24.800 don't push through because you really do need to rest i mean the discussion about when you were

00:05:29.620 weak in your bones trying to walk but wait i want to tell you a couple things that that i stirred up

00:05:34.460 is that still remains a mystery to me sure sure you mean it couldn't have been the coming cold

00:05:41.060 because it was before your trip or whatever yeah yeah but so by the way i just want to say

00:05:45.520 this is one of the first ever other than i think when we had the ferragon

00:05:49.280 yeah standing poog okay and this might change everything what i want to know though is the

00:05:58.480 audio quality because you sound quite tinny but i can't tell if that's just here it's fine for

00:06:04.880 for now i'm all about it no no all right right we're not gonna right we're not gonna we're not

00:06:09.260 like a news you know like a news show or like when someone calls in and they're like on the

00:06:14.300 outskirts of wherever the fuck it's a little that but um packing for new york austin texas get your 0.83

00:06:22.500 tickets please i've sold like four tickets oh my god by the way yeah taking brain md happy saffron 0.95

00:06:29.840 convinced it's already working day three i go shouldn't i be more upset i've been taking it

00:06:34.980 for two weeks or whatever wait really i didn't know that happy saffron no no no the one i pushed

00:06:40.140 i'm just saying the opti remember the opti saffron like my research led me to okay this

00:06:46.180 has curcumin good this this has curcumin and zinc a little zinc i just need everyone to know this

00:06:53.360 isn't going to be the audio but they have to just trust it for now this is for today i'm a

00:06:57.180 correspondent you it was this or no episode no exactly exactly well take that to heart

00:07:02.020 it's true okay and then what i'm gonna do as soon as i get some wired headphones i don't know

00:07:10.460 whatever point is just everyone have faith okay so but i'm standing and there's a lot here i mean

00:07:17.460 me being able to sort of sway this is really interesting kate okay so we got that but the

00:07:24.540 things i'm pushing through sorry really quick you know what was in my dream yeah an ocd balancing

00:07:29.220 board like an 80d balancing board i know you know what i'm talking about you mean the kind that you

00:07:33.620 work on your cerebellum and it was on my it was in my dream yeah yeah it's like a circle and then

00:07:38.280 it has this thing in the middle and you're like yeah yeah you're like you're like this one guy's

00:07:43.660 like this one guy's doing 60 or 90 standing on one right now i went and i stood on a meditation

00:07:49.640 zafu and sort of creating the effect okay yeah yeah and he's like he's like reading aloud exactly

00:07:55.180 reading yeah that guy's like 90 days of this we got fed that same guy which is amazing because he

00:07:59.800 has maybe 2 000 followers like it's not a big well i know it's it's like they knew where to plant the

00:08:05.640 seeds you know i have someone i want to beg for if we are really i'm sorry but peak tea peak tea

00:08:10.900 peak tea where are you p-i-q-u-e where are you this is a final this is a final final warning

00:08:18.740 what are you doing send the product now i'm ready to commit to you full time are you hearing

00:08:25.120 this i'm ready to fully devote my life to peak tea is the answer tea has always been the answer

00:08:30.700 i know because because they have the natural bags right sweetie dissolved no bag oh rip it off

00:08:38.580 no bag bagless powder travel powder what about when you have something in a supplement in a

00:08:45.440 little like single dose powder thing right lipospheric oh powder no no one of the powder

00:08:49.900 of something and it's been in a bag in a while for a while and the package itself gets wrinkly

00:08:56.020 I know I had armor I like that yes now nothing's wrong with it it still totally works but it really

00:09:01.540 to me is is it's like the spirit of travel is the wrinkled supplement thing yeah like you put in

00:09:08.780 there with so much intention you know like I've gone for three days I'm gonna take three of them

00:09:12.000 and then they're loose and then yesterday I did the unthinkable as I was starting to listen before 0.85

00:09:16.440 you got on okay so last night i go i'm sitting on my couch i'm in a fucking wild panic as you know

00:09:22.140 i was in okay i was like losing my mind i come back after the walk it helped me and then i'm 0.78

00:09:27.840 sitting there and it's like maybe we're gonna watch some tv whatever have some non-food stew

00:09:32.100 or i'd already had the non-food it doesn't matter i go oh god i can't i go i go i might have to go

00:09:38.540 no tv for the next like months okay because it cuts into sleep time which cuts into work time

00:09:45.100 in the morning yeah and it scares me right because but but once i'm watching tv

00:09:50.920 like i can't guarantee that i won't watch for many hours right see but this is interesting

00:09:55.900 i have this perception of you that you do not watch tv i don't want no listen we've been doing

00:10:00.000 it lately like we watch a lot of and honestly it really rocks but you know because we don't

00:10:04.920 really have a show right now you know you know what we end up doing we go to let's watch a show

00:10:09.280 and then we end up on youtube for like two hours oh really but up on the tv up on the tv wow

00:10:16.260 that's very interesting i almost think that would be like well i would get pulled what show are you

00:10:21.860 watching we do like architectural digest we're doing travel wow videos food videos that's where

00:10:27.060 we really live i want to be swept away into like you know a world of story or whatever i want to

00:10:31.980 be completely taken away right i'm dying i want a show like oh i'm trying to think what if it's

00:10:37.740 if I've done a show recently oh well I mean Widow's Bay obviously cheer heaven on earth

00:10:43.480 wow three seasons two one Kate no stop yeah and it's this is season one yeah we're in season one

00:10:52.420 and okay that makes sense because I never yeah okay and I'm curious and I'll say no more but

00:10:57.440 but I go I go all right I go turn off the tv and I just go like I'm gonna wind down the whole thing

00:11:02.800 And I'm like looking at my bags and I go, maybe have the courage to unpack your bag

00:11:08.500 from the road.

00:11:09.900 Okay.

00:11:10.200 I know.

00:11:11.160 I go, I go, all right, I unzip it.

00:11:16.440 Okay.

00:11:16.780 And it's, it's like, what's easy, right?

00:11:19.640 Dirty clothes.

00:11:20.260 Easy.

00:11:20.900 Right.

00:11:21.180 You go, that goes in the hamper.

00:11:22.520 Yeah.

00:11:23.040 I know.

00:11:23.500 What's hard.

00:11:24.080 Okay.

00:11:24.560 Clean clothes.

00:11:25.420 It doesn't get worn.

00:11:26.540 You go, it's still a little whatever, but I'm fine with that.

00:11:30.380 A folded thing.

00:11:31.220 I don't care if it like was near the dirty clothes. I just don't, it's just fine. It's not like the

00:11:36.060 interior of the, of the cotton patch of the underwear. Okay. That was worn has been turned

00:11:42.240 inside out and pressed to the chest of one of my fresh t-shirts. You know what I mean? It's curled

00:11:46.940 in its own like hole, um, and dirty underwear curled in its hole. So, so, um, I'm just thinking

00:11:59.160 like dirty underwear is funny you know it's it's it's like or worn underwear whatever you want to

00:12:04.640 call it all right so uh-huh so thank you what do you do right what do you do with what do you do

00:12:11.500 remind me tell you what happened at a coffee shop so so clean clothes okay yeah pull them out and go

00:12:15.940 all right i guess this could go back with the clean clothes which is exhausting in its own way

00:12:20.440 because right now my closet is non-functional but now then there's all this stuff so perfect

00:12:25.900 example of like right is one of the wrinkly packets of something okay yeah it's like so now

00:12:33.960 am I going to bring this to the kitchen and place it back in the original things box like that's

00:12:39.900 just a lot so then I go no maybe maybe I keep it in here for next trip right so the whole thing 0.65

00:12:48.340 becomes this question of am I keeping all this shit in here for next trip and and then my backpack 0.64

00:12:53.620 my tombin by the way i was in i was in line at the portland airport i'm glancing down i go that 0.96

00:12:58.700 looks familiar that kind of technical fabric of the graph the lines this guy's got his bag zipper

00:13:05.200 open but we're at the airport he might want to be pulling the examines on purpose i go this is a

00:13:08.760 tombin i wait you know five minutes thinking about how i want to approach this it's like why am i

00:13:13.860 trying to talk to like a man you know what i mean in the airport like and finally i just i didn't

00:13:20.400 like tap him on the back okay that was too much but when we turned a corner and he was sort of at

00:13:24.180 90 to me yeah i just go that a tom bin oh my god yeah he goes yeah i go i got two right here

00:13:33.100 because i had a little tote and and uh and my bag and i go um yeah it's like you know how like in

00:13:40.020 order to make conversation you have to go with extremes i'm like i i'm like are you obsessed

00:13:44.480 yeah yeah yeah it wasn't quite that tone but it's like it has to launch into extremes like

00:13:49.420 yeah are you i guess like i also was like what if like i was like is tom been a portland brand

00:13:55.020 like it wouldn't be shocked i was like what if it's the guy himself you know can you imagine

00:13:59.220 i go hello imagine he goes i should be where i i hope so i am tom oh my god i hope so i hope so

00:14:06.080 it's my product wait let's think of me more this is fun okay so you go sorry is that tom bin wait

00:14:11.840 do that do it he goes no no he thinks it's he said my name no i'm i'm here now okay excuse me

00:14:17.600 is that a tom bin if you're pointing at me the answer is yes okay okay now if you're looking at

00:14:24.660 my bag the answer is also yes that's good okay or whatever this i got whatever this okay i got

00:14:31.760 i got two is that tom bin because i got two right here let me do it again let me do it act it out

00:14:35.760 no you wouldn't be the man no no i'm gonna ask you wait i'm not ready all right fine

00:14:39.580 we'll try a different play all right excuse me is that a tom bin

00:14:44.040 no no it's the question i need is i got two right here okay okay so should i say it doesn't really

00:14:52.960 work i know just tom okay tom bin tom bin who's asking

00:14:58.020 all right now just a couple more and this i won't have a planned answer to or anything

00:15:06.780 just start conversations with me thinking that that these are tom bins normal and i just want

00:15:11.900 see what happens excuse me sorry about you are those uh tom bins oh yeah i uh oh wait i forgot

00:15:20.740 i was him one more excuse me are those tom bins well there's actually three tom bins here

00:15:26.900 backpack and this guy right here oh my god all right so so anyway

00:15:33.640 all right but i'm going how do i unpack my tom bin and it becomes like well what am i not going

00:15:39.420 to leave a lip balm in here it becomes this I'm yeah yeah excuse to not unpack but it forced me

00:15:46.040 to actually when you actually submit to I'm going to take the various crumpled up pieces of paper

00:15:50.400 out of the bag what do I find a check from the comedy club I told them I lost because I thought

00:15:55.420 I had yeah okay I'm like there's a reason I prefer to be wired yeah okay I can't I mean they

00:16:03.480 hand you a piece of paper and you walk out of there soaring you know like it's insane so anyway

00:16:09.080 paper is crazy and i'm pulling it out and i find a couple notes from hags okay that were delivered

00:16:14.260 in various fashions throughout my touring over the last couple months and i just want to say

00:16:19.340 i wanted to tell you a tale of a hag okay that's special all right you ready i mean it's nothing 0.65

00:16:25.780 crazy but just so I get to one of the venues trying to remember which city it was and they go

00:16:35.920 um you know a fan wanted us to deliver these it's a gorgeous bouquet flower arrangement in a heavy

00:16:42.900 vessel yeah okay I go wow right oh my god it's like it's like a heavy vessel and it's it's not

00:16:50.460 you know it's it's blooms okay it's green and then it's got those really dark maroon velvety

00:16:56.980 drapey like oh yeah I love it like yeah like kind of looks like a Susan Snead again which is

00:17:04.000 and just looking to see if I can see the note down here so I go that is so beautiful and I'm

00:17:10.240 enjoying it backstage and I go oh you know I'm going to be leaving so early in the morning

00:17:14.780 you know to take it back to the hotel is sort of purpose I mean I guess it could be you know but

00:17:20.160 i go why don't i at least my first thought was just i'm going to take it out on stage and have

00:17:25.000 it be on stage and that'll be beautiful beautiful right totally then everyone in the room gets to

00:17:29.300 enjoy the flowers okay and by the way i just want to say because this was tucked in there well we'll

00:17:33.960 get to that in seconds so i have it on stage you have a really fun show according to me and then

00:17:40.820 towards the end i go like oh my god my bouquet and i'm like i can't take it home i'm like

00:17:46.820 what if I like gave out you know a flower to you a flower like yeah dispersed it to the crowd very

00:17:53.660 sweet okay uh-huh and I go that's kind of fun right and I go where's the person who gave it

00:17:57.820 to me you know what I mean and I'm like I'm like you're into that right like I was like

00:18:02.020 it doesn't make you sad yeah yeah like if it makes you sound like being deconstructed and

00:18:06.560 tossed to the wolves you know what I mean I figured probably not because I go I can't I

00:18:11.780 want them to take it with me right so and they're like they like nod with like sheer intensity of

00:18:17.100 like they absolutely agree I think it's great whatever okay so I do that somehow it takes 20

00:18:23.580 minutes because of course it does right I throw every single thing down to like the last green

00:18:28.220 stalks you know what I mean and then I go how about you take the vessel the original gifter

00:18:34.780 she takes the vessel and just as I'm getting out of there okay I take the card because like the

00:18:40.240 card is revealed as the bouquet is dispersed right take the card you know tuck it in my pocket

00:18:44.920 take a night whatever later I pull it out are you ready for what the note had said

00:18:50.600 okay these are flowers for you to enjoy now to be present with for much like the ice cream cone

00:18:57.640 they're in the process of fading not meant to last wow love a hag okay beautiful so it was in

00:19:04.200 the exact spirit and I hadn't even read the card yet amazing an angel incredible and then by the

00:19:10.060 way i just saw this and i assume it's got to be it for the sake of flowers is the card abby newbie

00:19:17.180 co-founder and floral designer is this boston no i didn't go to boston i was given incredible

00:19:23.900 flowers in boston it's a really beautiful gift i really like this and um look how pretty that is

00:19:30.860 now what's funny is i'm treating it like i'm like was the hag abby or did the hag 0.89

00:19:37.420 right right right because the hag didn't leave their name but i've seen hags do this

00:19:42.400 okay where they've almost been like trained too well by us or something to like not make it about

00:19:47.540 them okay like like you know like they're like apologetic if they like you know oh and and you 0.84

00:19:54.220 saw this i've already shown you this right i don't know made by a hag no hand delivered oh by the way 0.88

00:20:01.260 i should tell you anytime anything is like this they say if kate wants one of course of course

00:20:06.720 So this is a garden. This is a gardening apron because they know I love, you know, all that whole thing right now.

00:20:13.620 I don't have anything in it. And then they did a whole video showing their their creation of it for the show.

00:20:20.100 OK, cutting and sewing right now. I don't yet have anything in it except for are you ready?

00:20:25.020 You're not gonna believe this booze whisker. I found it on the ground and I said, I'll put it in there anyway.

00:20:32.080 It's all natural, like, you know, fruit and vegetable dyes or whatever. It's fantastic.

00:20:35.920 so their work will be and then and then i told you the lima beans okay christmas lima beans grown

00:20:40.640 okay i'm being handed this okay another hat comes over and tucks a sack of beans okay in a fabric

00:20:48.260 bag tucks a sack of beans goes there's an instant pot recipe on the back okay a little note inside

00:20:53.420 it's insane the community is unbelievable the lamb okay we all remember the lamb

00:20:58.900 is you know i got that the community is unbelievable it's just you know something

00:21:04.660 to note no it can make you cry I say this all to point out that gently unpacking my bag yeah led to

00:21:13.280 a kind of reflection on the the touring I've just done and the positive aspects of it you know

00:21:19.400 because I only like focus on the negatives of whatever of course and so wow you know one night

00:21:25.160 kind of brings me back to my theory of more of tv mornings it's like it's like the worst idea but

00:21:31.840 maybe like you know doing the opposite of opposite action yeah where it's like get out of bed watch

00:21:37.100 four hours of television yeah yeah become so like disgusted and rotted that I'm like thrown into

00:21:42.960 wild action as a result but also inspired by the by the art I watch because that that happens

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00:24:51.980 slash poog storyworth.com slash p double o g do you think i have a medical question

00:25:02.460 i wake up often numbness in the hands not like in the morning but like middle of the night 0.98

00:25:09.900 sometimes of course it's like you're laying on your fucking arm yeah sometimes i'm like my arms 0.96

00:25:13.780 are above the blankets like i'm not doing anything weird why am i having hand hand numbness 0.97

00:25:21.240 is it like one or just do it yeah yeah is it a pinky ring finger yeah that's a whole thing i

00:25:28.080 think that's like like and some of the people are shouting in their cars okay right now but it's

00:25:32.680 like that's like the ulnar nerve or whatever there's like two nerves or something okay and

00:25:37.360 one goes down and like specifically i had this like for a little while i think i talked about

00:25:40.900 where it was like it's like if it's these two fingers it's that particular nerve so what you

00:25:46.140 might want to do. Shit. Nerve flossing. Ew. No, it's great. It's literally like this. Is it this? 1.00

00:25:54.620 Ow. See, I can't do it. That's a classic nerve thing. A trainer once taught me this. Go like

00:25:58.680 this. You go like this and try to do upside down mask. I can't even do it. Ow. That's why. Yeah.

00:26:05.180 See, I can do it on this side. Pain free. This side. Oh, I can't even do it. Yep. Where's the

00:26:10.460 pain like here like i can't even do it so gentle so i think you should do some heat okay get on

00:26:17.160 your heat mat okay yeah and look up the exercise for the ulnar or whatever it is yeah and just do

00:26:24.240 some gentle nerve flossing on that side see what happened but also you know i mean i can't believe

00:26:30.440 how tight that is i think it's stress or something too because when i've had different periods where

00:26:34.260 I test it I think like I mean you know I'm convinced that like a thousand things are going

00:26:42.300 wrong at all times yeah well these days I'm just or I guess more it's like here's what was wrong

00:26:48.300 the whole time oh the hypermobile oh oh the cervical instability like the amount of you know

00:26:55.980 I don't know man I don't know it feels different when standing up I have an Instagram like thing 1.00

00:27:02.400 that's gotten in where it's like I bought kiwis because I know because big kiwis out there yeah 0.82

00:27:08.280 I bought kiwis and I'm like I want to make rice paper treats like rice paper mochi I saw a 1.00

00:27:14.500 cheeseburger recipe which is like you basically make a burger in like a rice paper it's like a

00:27:19.880 rice paper dumpling but it's a burger yeah and um that's all just rice paper has finally gotten

00:27:26.940 it's hooks into me wow shout out to rice paper by the way which is a or paper rice it's a build

00:27:34.280 your own roll place and we had it two days in a row now when you say build your own roll meaning

00:27:40.620 you tell them you're not literally with tongs or are you no this is no no this is delivery so it's

00:27:45.640 like and they're really well done they're based in pasadena here in california but they do do

00:27:51.120 delivery and guess what happened when i think about this we ordered it one night fabulous the

00:27:55.580 next day I go god you know what I secretly want and of course my partner and I are on the exact

00:27:59.760 same page we both want it again and there's no rules in life so we're so excited hysterical

00:28:04.020 when I literally will go three months ordering the same thing every night but it's totally normal

00:28:08.840 okay for ADD I know and other get this we order it we're eating I notice in one of my rolls a

00:28:17.100 hair no okay okay because I was like excited about this place no no still do it still do it but

00:28:23.900 listen I don't care it's the truth because it was so good and I was hungry I was like are you

00:28:29.560 joking I straight up don't care no no but I have the forethought to take a photo I take a photo

00:28:36.540 I complete the meal I privately without telling my partner I didn't mention the

00:28:40.540 the hair nothing oh good girl good girl I get on with DoorDash and I start

00:28:45.300 complaining and I go hey but there was a hair privately I'm doing this all I get the whole

00:28:52.440 meal refunded oh yeah can you believe that and i go well this is the joke of it was only the whole

00:28:57.000 thing was 50 bucks yeah i go this is like order a twin dog dinner i found a hair and see what

00:29:01.640 happens but then once you call by the way that's immoral and i would never do that but once you

00:29:05.540 call a hair once you can't call it here twice you mean at the same place like door dash no i'm

00:29:10.420 saying then i ordered a twin meal there was a hair they're like i don't know hairs are pretty common

00:29:14.320 i mean i've had to with with uber or whatever i mean a lot of times i get like you know something's

00:29:19.920 missing or some things like and when it's significant enough you know you shoot you shoot

00:29:25.500 them a message it's like which part of your order wasn't whatever and you know it's effective because

00:29:30.300 they're like well here comes your refund i know and they they weren't refunding all they're just

00:29:35.260 like you know refund we refunded you for the miso soup you know and the whatever that didn't didn't

00:29:40.640 come yeah and it happens quick within like three taps and i'll say it does calm the spirit okay

00:29:46.420 because like feels good to be heard in that moment i feel respected the respect i felt

00:29:52.460 because i go maybe i'll refund one the order i'm just laughing i've always felt this you know this

00:30:00.340 i've talked about this okay to me there's comedy in the entirety of the form while having intimate

00:30:06.720 talk okay there's a ridiculousness so i've always thought poog video should be wide like

00:30:13.880 full wide shots okay like like like all the way back like I've always felt like like we should be

00:30:20.380 okay you'd be like yeah and then like there can be because not everyone can do what we can do

00:30:28.960 as clowns you know what I mean okay it's like it's like you know what I mean you think the

00:30:34.980 boys can do this you think the boys can bring this to the podcasting world you know yeah um 0.50

00:30:41.280 And then I can also, like, this right now is really easy.

00:30:44.460 Oh, should I run and show or save it for Product Corner?

00:30:47.940 Because there was something else we were sent.

00:30:50.300 We mentioned it.

00:30:51.940 Anyway, it starts with a B.

00:30:53.800 There's a box full of product.

00:30:55.220 I kind of want to, like, pull that out.

00:30:56.080 Wait, would you just tell me?

00:30:57.260 Starts with a B.

00:30:58.120 You can tease the name. 0.99

00:30:59.500 Bloom with sex. 0.95

00:31:00.460 My box hasn't arrived yet. 1.00

00:31:02.060 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:31:02.640 Okay. 0.99

00:31:03.180 Well, you know what hasn't arrived yet for me?

00:31:04.820 What if they sent everything to you?

00:31:06.320 Well, no, because there'll be doubles.

00:31:08.980 What hasn't arrived for you?

00:31:10.060 lima probiotic that arrived for you two months ago weird i gave them your address

00:31:15.580 yeah right i did um i wasn't gonna show you

00:31:22.720 should i pull a card a tarot yeah for you now you get to should you choose the deck first there's

00:31:31.240 wild unknown archetypes kim krams the next one the next one whatever the next one is oh you feel

00:31:35.760 that it's the next one yeah that's funny okay the next one is spirit daughter manifestation cards

00:31:42.340 okay interesting do i think of a certain i think of a question i think of a thing um i think i'll

00:31:50.060 lead that part hold on i think you came in i think i know the question is answering i mean

00:31:55.120 the question is being asked without you even having to so so how about that don't don't say

00:31:59.440 anything aloud i love it i would do what you need to do yeah you can do what you need to do in your

00:32:03.400 rain okay got it okay i'll do my process

00:32:08.080 okay i'll know when i know hold on boom

00:32:15.800 okay what does it say it says 48 dream i'm ready to receive my dreams take it okay now now remember

00:32:28.620 this isn't a tarot deck this is a manifestation card i know so now you're going what it sounds

00:32:34.140 a little simple yeah i kind of want something a little more specific i know you do but maybe

00:32:39.760 if you're if you were ready to if you were ready to realize your dreams

00:32:43.680 right maybe the specificity you're in for is an avoidance of simply receiving your dreams

00:32:48.880 that's fair i know i know i'm good all right hold on

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00:33:34.740 breathe here on planet Earth. Something disturbing about plastics, the way, no, it doesn't just

00:33:40.000 disappear when it seems to disappear. It's breaking down into smaller and smaller pieces

00:33:44.540 that stick around in our environment. And I'm always trying to be mindful about what I bring

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00:38:55.580 you know what i saw on instagram that sent me my tracks people with ocd have problems with the

00:39:05.940 natural ambivalence of the human experience sounds about right isn't that right for me

00:39:10.140 well i think it's mushrooms the whole time it's like or it's like totally it's your desperation

00:39:15.340 for certainty it's it's you know it's yeah it's mushrooms all the time that's why

00:39:19.520 i mean i think it's also one of the it's like it's a core human problem it's a core human

00:39:27.000 problem and then but but you take those you crank them you dial them to such an extreme

00:39:32.380 yeah etc you know um i have pulled another deck my arms are sore fuck oh wait i i have i have um

00:39:42.700 an ailment a new ailment to talk about it'll be fine okay ready yeah I'm gonna pull three cards

00:39:48.900 from this one okay this is tarot okay is it past present future or what's the no hold on I gotta

00:39:54.240 feel it for a second this is dark days tarot okay okay really pretty dark days okay yeah okay

00:40:00.780 how about happy days okay yeah I'll give you I'll tell you that says in the guidebook can you believe

00:40:08.260 I performed at a stand-up comedy club last night sure can you're a star thank you okay it was

00:40:14.900 amazing though like just comedy club culture of like the host being like to go like a table of

00:40:20.880 girls going how old are you someone goes 45 he goes too old for me he goes we've got an antique

00:40:26.180 we've got an antique here folks and it's weird when you when you can come no but when you when

00:40:32.420 you come at it like I don't know if I'm if a professor at NYU said that it would be pretty 0.98

00:40:37.160 funny right it's like he goes just take your tits out are you serious literally i was like this is 0.99

00:40:43.700 wild all right single card draw past present future past present future just i resist for 0.99

00:40:50.900 some reason i don't feel it's right all right do it do whatever yeah all right i gotta do what i

00:40:56.420 feel i'm ready i've completely surrendered to you all right great good girl can i can i tell you an

00:41:01.680 interesting thing about tarot and this is of course what tarot is also about

00:41:04.280 or if you're asking a question to the cards right and then you you sometimes you're asking and you

00:41:11.480 really don't know sometimes you're asking and you want an answer yeah you want you want the answer

00:41:17.380 and there's the answer the mushrooms the whole time exactly there's the answer well that's like

00:41:22.160 you know sometimes they these this doesn't always work for me like they try to do the thing it's

00:41:27.660 like flip a coin and if you're disappointed like okay i'm gonna flip a coin you know do i get this

00:41:33.420 or this and you flip a coin and says this you go oh and you know i guess i really want the other

00:41:37.340 yeah yeah i can sort of override that you know yeah i know what you mean i know what you mean

00:41:41.480 it doesn't quite i thought that was it by the way i immediately overrided it as soon as i said it by

00:41:46.240 the way yeah okay eight of cups what's eight of cups about again well let's let's let the dark

00:41:54.280 show it to me show it to me show it to me it's already gone okay hold on no hold on

00:41:59.980 wait did i starving here she is okay that's her deal let's see what the the guidebook says in this

00:42:08.500 case now we can have our intuitive feeling first right but here are you ready oh wow

00:42:18.980 you're gonna love this okay maybe the eight of cups is a card of sharp transformation

00:42:25.980 i love sharp transformation okay okay yeah nerves cringe fear wells up inside and doubt

00:42:35.620 floods the way oh the querent like the questioner is experiencing the transformation

00:42:43.460 doubt floods the way the querent is experiencing the transformation hello

00:42:47.060 these heavy hesitations might very well be the cause of negative feelings associated with the

00:42:55.140 situation thus the querent is encouraged to think more positively about what lies on the horizon

00:43:01.500 god yeah the pain of of of transition man

00:43:06.820 so should i pull a card for me yep boom do you have a question no i i live i am the question

00:43:17.040 all right okay queen of swords here i'll take give you a minute with it okay let's see sounds

00:43:23.900 like my girl queen of swords oh my god okay I quietly read isn't that funny I quietly read

00:43:40.700 as though like like afraid like like it'll reveal something like you know like like I have to vet it

00:43:45.500 first okay yeah yeah my hair by the way hysterical okay hi all right it's like I hate that what

00:43:52.580 there so i hate this because i know it's true okay because you know how i am all right but

00:43:58.320 the queen of swords presents herself to you with radiant wit and charm she represents a cunning

00:44:04.100 clever intellect about you that points to the creative power and authority you're capable of

00:44:09.000 having in certain spheres this card can indicate an overindulgently sharp tongue that needs

00:44:16.540 softening parentheses as not to make enemies who will prevent your personal growth

00:44:21.900 now i don't i don't i i hide okay i'm not really sharp tongue now where am i sharp tongue speed of

00:44:30.120 thought text you know time for pleasantries and sometimes i have to go back and explain myself

00:44:35.840 that you know that's where i'm that's where i think come off sharpest am i wrong i speak no

00:44:42.580 i love nobody no totally i mean but i guess it's not saying i'm her it's worth worth remembering

00:44:50.600 yeah but obviously i sort of wanted to engage with it that way so that you know reveals its own

00:44:55.880 peonies by the way gorgeous love a peony is out of control like how many petals can you have on

00:45:04.500 one flower by the way the peony shout out to i'm so sorry i don't have the name now but i know i 0.61

00:45:09.780 shouted out at the time the forest in boston who brought me an un-fucking-believable arrangement

00:45:14.220 i wonder if it was peonies in mine no less than 30 peonies

00:45:19.240 no fewer actually is the correct grammar right right yeah well i've got some

00:45:28.060 erwan turkey meatballs in the fridge over tomato sauce i'm gonna saute some spinach i've got some

00:45:34.580 bone broth turmeric rice i made wow i'm sorry saffron rice saffron rice saffron rice

00:45:40.580 where'd you get your staff from i i'm not judging the quality i'm just curious if you did what i

00:45:45.820 did which was like i got this was like get the bottles at trader joe's because like everyone

00:45:49.920 was like saying like you know i know you're like you know always like go trader joe is like you

00:45:55.940 know no for sure never get anything there i accept no right but you've always been like anything i

00:46:01.140 know it's not produce so i guess it's not produce here by the way you've seen this right i'm sure

00:46:05.300 i've shown you this but do you see these curtains back here yeah okay there's a narrow divot okay

00:46:11.640 are those nordic these are ikea hell yeah okay so and these are these are oh no no these are not

00:46:18.060 these are some cheapo brand i got like you know in a pinch and guess what they're like somehow

00:46:25.640 the nicest ones i have okay look so there's a little divot here okay and i've got a narrow

00:46:31.780 caster storage trolley oh I've got my I've got my um my staff Tracy staff my Tracy staff which

00:46:42.060 to me is like one of my favorite things yeah that's fun because it's so warrior ADD it's so

00:46:50.100 warrior yeah like to only do yeah exactly there's a lot of bounce and like you could feel there's

00:46:55.840 there's things that happen. I miss that. As a result of it. Yeah. It's, um, there was like a

00:47:03.060 forum. There was like, there's all this stuff about like form, like core principles happening

00:47:08.660 right now. Anyway, so that's behind there. Now I think it's so beautiful that normally I would

00:47:13.600 leave it out. But right now, as I'm launching into creative work, I'm trying to reduce just visual,

00:47:21.340 reduce visual anything so there's there's a lot to do here um but what what i want to want to

00:47:31.380 understand this summer is i think i think this is there's an opportunity for us to explore an

00:47:36.900 intimate relationship with listener where i'm thinking 20 minute nightcap with you

00:47:42.000 like i'm thinking night poog i'm thinking walking poog i just i know i keep saying it so much is

00:47:48.280 possible. There's so much that's possible. And, and then I'm thinking about these things we could

00:47:52.900 do. Like, what if you and me want to have a six minute little chat and then we just drop it on

00:47:57.140 the premium feed, you know, like just randomly, like I'm at the airport and I want to show you

00:48:01.860 around like stuff like that. That's what I'm talking about. All right. All right. All right.

00:48:06.520 Now I'm going to get energized for the, for more work. All right. Love you. Love you.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - June 09, 2026

The Courage to Unpack

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