Rowan & Pine: A Feminist Folklore & Mythology Podcast - Episode Twenty-Eight： Snow Maidens, Queens & Goddesses - Are we the Brothers Grimm？!

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00:01:06.720 You're listening to Late Night Love with Emily and Niamh. Except it's only 25 past six here

00:01:14.860 on the middle of the day with Emily. It is noon. Yeah. Hello. Did everybody have a nice Christmas?

00:01:21.400 i don't know if i did lie emily so you did oh i had a great christmas amazing christmas

00:01:28.720 it definitely has already happened my daughter was really great in her eight hour car ride oh man

00:01:35.360 that's that's gonna be a fun one yeah we'll see how that goes yeah and it's not like she's not

00:01:42.700 like a cat you can't just sedate her right somebody like people have said to me they're

00:01:49.140 like baby Benadryl and I'm just like I'm not going to drug my child that was a big thing in

00:01:54.060 like the 90s I remember like my cousins getting like dosed up with cold medicine at like family

00:01:59.420 parties and stuff probably shouldn't say that I'm not saying which side of the family yeah

00:02:04.520 there is family somewhere but they're all in their like 20s and 30s now so who cares

00:02:09.400 they survived they survived and they're all reasonably successful so are they decent people

00:02:16.600 yeah good people nobody's nobody none of them i've had to block on social media so that's

00:02:22.320 always a plus with family right right where you're like yeah i i love you but to continue

00:02:29.200 loving you i need to not see any of this yeah i had to block a lot of uh family on social media

00:02:35.400 oops that's the nature of the country that you live into everything's very divisive very true

00:02:42.400 says the person who has had like an ongoing war in their country for ages yeah but now we're at

00:02:51.100 that like war is like at the meme stage of it like everyone's just like yeah makes fun of

00:02:57.300 protestants really um because they're very easy to make fun of putting their toasters in their

00:03:01.680 cupboards and not liking soup you know or liking soup i said i can't remember which one is from

00:03:07.260 dairy girls they either love soup or hate it i'm gonna say they love it because the whole

00:03:12.360 getting people to convert to protestantism by offering them soup when they were starving

00:03:17.280 you could have the soup if you converted to protestantism that's so weird yeah that was

00:03:22.280 like the famine thing they established soup kitchens and then said that you can come and

00:03:26.380 have free soup because you know you're starving um but you have to convert to protestantism

00:03:32.680 and that is where we got the phrase take the soup where it's like where you kind of give up one of

00:03:39.640 your core beliefs and core values to gain something yeah it's not very fair when you

00:03:43.820 think about it because like people are literally like starving but that's how they work though

00:03:48.060 yeah it's like oh do you need something we will provide but you sell us your soul yeah you sell

00:03:53.660 us your soul at a crossroads throwback throwback um so yeah welcome to the is the right word

00:04:01.800 hinterland you know like the like a no man's land in between christmas and new year would you call

00:04:07.180 it a hinterland i've never heard of that i'm probably misusing the word hinterland but i

00:04:11.080 like the sound of it so i'm gonna say hinterland um yeah the abyss the abyss between christmas and

00:04:16.460 new year um yeah this is going out on the 27th yes 27th and um where nobody knows what to do

00:04:27.600 they're just like well uh playing around full of cheese you don't remember what day it is

00:04:31.940 you don't want to go grocery shopping you've run out of things to talk about with your family

00:04:36.360 yeah yeah you're like we have no fruit or vegetables but the house is still full of food

00:04:43.780 like what do we do right it's just full of like meat and potatoes and chocolate chocolate cookies

00:04:50.740 oh man i'm so excited for the next week because it's currently the 18th now so like we have all 0.53

00:04:58.480 of the christmas yummy ahead of us um right i fucking love the christmas yummy best time of

00:05:03.620 the whole year yeah i've been restricting my foods lately so or not like restricting as much as 0.69

00:05:10.760 cutting things out so i'm excited to be like i'm taking a break yeah i'm not gonna get too crazy

00:05:18.240 because that's always bad yeah not to go like fully into like trigger warning diet talk but like

00:05:24.280 not to go fully into that but um i think when you're like a woman especially our age there's

00:05:29.460 never a time when you're not like unless like say you're pregnant or something but even then you're

00:05:34.080 still like thinking about everything you're eating and everything that's going into your body so it's

00:05:38.060 um really nice sorry when you have that little bit of time at christmas where you're just like 0.98

00:05:43.980 fuck it it's christmas you know yeah i have a frog in my throat i don't know the frog that'll 0.97

00:05:50.280 metamorphose into a demon yeah it's moving its way turning into a demon but it's okay because 0.99

00:05:57.940 it's another need of episode sorry yeah and or yay uh depending on it's gonna be yay for most

00:06:05.400 people because you're the more favored podcast host where are you getting this from we have nine

00:06:11.340 listeners yeah but all of the nine listeners like you this is emily has made this up and um every 0.66

00:06:20.540 single time they're like fucking neve she's so great and i'm like yeah she is i join her fan club 0.84

00:06:26.920 too did you stop this isn't fair because nobody messages me on facebook so i can't like and i 0.99

00:06:34.220 can't see your our instagram inbox so i can't verify if she is full of shit or not i am not 0.81

00:06:40.900 i swear to god it's always people writing me on instagram telling me how hilarious you are 0.91

00:06:47.660 and i'm just like i agree i'm like i know i she's the star i'm just over here supporting

00:06:54.860 well now that i'm thoroughly uncomfortable with the compliments

00:06:59.120 we could probably get into our episode because we could introduce ourselves to oh yeah

00:07:07.620 do they they know she's emily and i'm neve or is she emily and i'm neve yeah maybe emily just

00:07:16.120 got really good at doing um or maybe i just got really good at doing an american accent

00:07:20.940 i'm so confused i confused myself there i just got confused too i just i don't know if you saw

00:07:26.980 my brain stop working in real time emily got really good at doing an irish accent so this

00:07:33.240 is emily speaking but you're talking about myself yeah in the third person you know when you start

00:07:42.460 listening to a podcast and you can't tell the difference between voices or like for the first

00:07:46.840 while especially if they all have the same accent i'm hoping that people don't really have that

00:07:51.460 problem with us that would be nice i would assume not i listened to a podcast with three scottish

00:07:57.140 women and they speak so fast and it was literally about 10 maybe 15 episodes before i could actually

00:08:05.580 tell them apart and they all like part of their intro is them all introducing themselves and i'm

00:08:10.520 like no yeah it just makes no sense i know i'll be like wait no that's that's that person no no

00:08:16.120 wait is it and i'm just so confused yeah because yeah it's usually it's usually people who are

00:08:24.060 from the same region so they speak the same they have the same sort of accent and if they're like

00:08:29.560 both women their voices are sometimes the same not always i guess yeah yeah there's a few podcasts

00:08:38.380 that i listen to where i'm just like you guys sound identical i don't know who's who yeah i

00:08:44.320 remember i can't remember who it was but there was like two hosts that were like related they

00:08:49.300 were like sisters and i was just like this is impossible absolutely impossible yeah i wonder

00:08:55.760 what it'd be like if my brother and i were talking if we i've i've heard people say that we sound

00:09:02.140 alike but i think it's just because you know when you're raised in the same household you kind of

00:09:07.080 end up talking like each other i'm assuming that he would just sound like you with like

00:09:11.400 a vocal pitch filter like your voice pitched down yeah i don't know now this is like an

00:09:17.300 interesting question i want to ask people it's like do we speak the same yeah because like your

00:09:23.020 speech is so much more than an accent it's like a vocal inflection and it's you know your filler

00:09:27.740 words like your ums and ahs and ehs and all of that yeah very curious right in everybody yeah

00:09:36.520 anyway i'm emily she's neve we're rowan and pine she's the rowan i'm the pine

00:09:42.360 i'm the wee bushy one with berries yeah

00:09:49.180 isn't that an innuendo and i'm the one who lasts all year 0.86

00:09:54.780 these leaves never fall off damn damn okay but um although i am grayer than you are so 0.57

00:10:05.840 mine is not real oh that's right i always forget that's not your real hair color it's like when 0.78

00:10:12.820 people refer to me as a redhead i'm like really not anyway neve tell us what we're talking about

00:10:20.640 today today we are because i i thought i thoroughly wet some whistles uh last week talking about

00:10:27.680 talking about snow queens and snow goddesses because we did a little bit of um dancing around

00:10:36.340 that subject last week so i figured this week i would do some proper research and we'll do a

00:10:41.680 little deep dive into what i've titled my notes is snow queens goddesses maidens and witches

00:10:51.100 oh i'm so excited yeah so it's all the girls all the girls together get it girlies get it girlies

00:10:58.220 okay for those who binge listen maybe only found us lately or maybe you just have a really good

00:11:05.060 memory emily actually spoke a little bit about some of the figures that we talked like i have

00:11:10.900 to give mention to right now because they're all within this sort of same realm as women who snow

00:11:17.180 i don't know like is that how we're going to i can encapsulate it like snow adjacent women 1.00

00:11:23.740 i guess women who rule the snow yes in our krampus episode last year um which was probably 0.92

00:11:31.340 right around the exact same time it was released because i think that was our actual christmas

00:11:35.840 episode it was emily's santa adjacent episode so in that episode emily told us a little bit about

00:11:41.720 the Italian Christmas witch

00:11:44.380 known as La Bifana

00:11:45.480 and her feast day is

00:11:48.460 January 6th, the day of the Epiphany

00:11:50.420 which is known as also

00:11:52.320 the day that the three wise men finally

00:11:54.220 reached the stable to

00:11:56.240 visit the baby Jesus because they didn't

00:11:58.640 ask for directions

00:11:59.700 it took them that long because they're men 0.98

00:12:01.860 to give her all the gifts that she didn't 0.98

00:12:04.400 really want

00:12:04.920 but the actual

00:12:07.180 the story of La Bifana is that they actually did

00:12:10.480 stop to ask

00:12:12.680 for directions and it was La Bufana. 1.00

00:12:14.760 I don't know why she's Italian because 0.83

00:12:16.140 that part of the world is not in Italy.

00:12:18.660 Anyway.

00:12:20.740 What was she doing there?

00:12:23.400 They got very lost.

00:12:24.820 Yeah. And the story goes that they

00:12:26.680 invited her along to visit the

00:12:28.760 baby Jesus. She said no, but

00:12:30.760 then she later changed her mind

00:12:32.400 and she

00:12:34.100 decided that she would visit the baby Jesus.

00:12:37.580 She was running after them. Wait.

00:12:38.720 wait wait come back

00:12:40.560 I changed my mind

00:12:42.180 according to Italian folklore

00:12:45.560 Labafana rides her broomstick through the night

00:12:47.840 to deliver presents to well behaved children 0.93

00:12:50.040 and call to naughty ones

00:12:51.760 who don't deserve any presents

00:12:53.660 and if you want

00:12:55.840 to attract Labafana you leave

00:12:57.820 out a little tipple of wine 1.00

00:12:59.060 a good old sausage and she's sure 1.00

00:13:01.620 to come over

00:13:02.580 what can she

00:13:05.940 say good for her

00:13:07.360 she likes her sausage

00:13:08.720 Emily also told us about

00:13:12.380 Perkta or Frau Perkta 1.00

00:13:14.320 who is like a Christmas hag 1.00

00:13:16.380 but she can also be seen as 1.00

00:13:18.640 young, pale and beautiful 0.78

00:13:19.720 Perkta is usually depicted

00:13:22.280 with one large foot

00:13:24.060 and sometimes it's the foot of a goose or a duck

00:13:26.460 she has an

00:13:28.440 association with spinning wheels

00:13:30.060 like spinning threads

00:13:31.340 and apparently

00:13:33.820 this symbolism is supposed to

00:13:36.300 symbolize her ability to control the fates of the world they think that she has she is basically like

00:13:41.660 a new a new incarnation or a newer incarnation of like an old snow goddess and within the folklore

00:13:50.100 as it evolved over the years she would visit like young maidens to check if they had spun their

00:13:56.220 allotted portion of flax for the year in the winter time and if they hadn't she would like 0.52

00:14:02.560 punish them which you know all right she's also a considered a goddess of the dead um as i mentioned

00:14:09.160 last week she's a goddess of children she's who um children go to after they die i feel like we've

00:14:15.840 had a solid run of mentioning dead children yeah last like three or four episodes it's pretty

00:14:21.920 intense isn't it it's like oh christmas dead children wow yeah yeah and our life as well

00:14:28.980 our live event oh my god if anybody didn't tune in for that our live event we told a story about

00:14:35.280 dead toddlers um twins yeah uh it was a good story though and just so everybody's aware we 1.00

00:14:43.620 do not support dead babies yes just a note on frau perchte she was of course demonized by

00:14:50.860 the church in the middle ages of course uh so she went from like this sort of enforcer of social 1.00

00:14:58.060 taboos a goddess of like dead children to a child-eating hag who would slit the bellies of 1.00

00:15:04.580 naughty kids remove their innards and stuff them full of old straw and stones for their trouble 1.00

00:15:09.580 cute it's fucking extreme like calm down you could just give them a baby benadryl and given 0.99

00:15:16.920 the last few episodes as well can you guess what you can leave out to uh pay tribute to 0.98

00:15:24.420 is it porridge it's porridge yeah yeah uh so she likes like we should have a like a porridge

00:15:35.560 corner segment of this show it's the porridge corner apparently fry perkta likes porridge so

00:15:44.020 much that if you were if you ate a morsel of food uh other than fish or porridge on her feast day 1.00

00:15:51.660 she would show up 1.00

00:15:53.180 and split your belly in two 1.00

00:15:54.260 so 0.99

00:15:54.720 yikes 0.99

00:15:55.760 she's passionate about porridge 1.00

00:15:57.180 what can I say

00:15:59.060 new t-shirt design

00:16:00.260 passionate about porridge

00:16:01.420 passionate about porridge

00:16:02.260 ask me about my porridge preferences

00:16:03.900 we have to do a little

00:16:07.500 hop, skip and a jump

00:16:08.820 over to Russia

00:16:09.560 Emily also told us about 0.77

00:16:11.120 Snegorotchka

00:16:12.000 or Snegorotchka

00:16:13.380 it's spelled about 15 different ways

00:16:14.980 in my notes

00:16:15.360 so it's a

00:16:16.820 it's a difficult one

00:16:18.300 so Snegorotchka was 0.65

00:16:20.420 dade morose's uh granddaughter oh yeah okay would show yeah emily was looking at me going i never

00:16:26.360 talked about this yes you did i have emily was very pregnant i have little memory of like the last

00:16:33.840 year or so oh my gosh basically after this after this podcast goes up and i have listened to it

00:16:40.540 when it's on everyone's like feeds to make sure that it's the correct audio file and then it

00:16:46.180 sounds okay i very rarely listen to it ever again because same it's very hard to like you probably

00:16:53.980 find this a lot with your art it's very hard to like look at something that you've done and not

00:16:59.280 absolutely tear it apart so yeah which is why i stare at all the stuff i've done over and over

00:17:05.880 and over i'm like what how could i be better she's a glutton for punishment i am it's terrible

00:17:12.620 i did actually re-listen to her krampus episode because i was like i don't want to like rehash so

00:17:17.480 much of this um and i don't want to like do deep dives into something if you already did a deep

00:17:21.780 dive so it was nice to listen to krampus and it wasn't as bad as i remembered as i assumed that

00:17:28.720 it would be like with the editing and the sound the sound's pretty good that's my episode thank

00:17:34.100 you yeah i meant yeah because it was an emily episode i figured it would be bad my episodes

00:17:39.640 are always worse emily can see my face all hail queen need oh my god this is the worst day of my

00:17:47.000 life how irish of you god so snegoroshka is the russian santa claus or zed morosh it's very hard

00:17:55.620 to put a apostrophe s at the end of a word that ends in zed but anyway his granddaughter she's

00:18:00.780 most commonly depicted with long silver blue robes and a little furry cap and uh she is sort of like

00:18:07.660 a staple within like the russian holiday season and she lives with them in veliki ustug and helps

00:18:15.720 them to distribute gifts we had a little theme last week of um a character a very like famous

00:18:23.680 character who doesn't actually come from folklore our little boy jack so we have another one this

00:18:29.740 week the babushka have you ever seen like folklore the babushka yeah so the babushka like jack frost

00:18:37.560 is not actually a folkloric figure but she's sort of linked to baba yaga i didn't know that there

00:18:43.000 was a like quote unquote the babushka yeah just because it was it was coming up a few times and

00:18:48.660 then i found one that was like you know it's not it's not actually a folkloric figure so just

00:18:53.880 babushka it's sort of i think it's a russian like a russian term for grandma grandmother i was gonna

00:18:59.560 say i think it means grandma yeah but babushka actually comes from a labafana inspired american

00:19:08.000 literary tale by an author called ruth robbins in the 1960s so it was one of those things that it

00:19:12.880 came it was like a written tale and then people just assumed that this was like a folkloric figure

00:19:18.340 and had always been around but she was invented in the 1960s and then just like labafana the three

00:19:25.060 kings actually stayed with the babushka overnight and then the story sort of comes like goes the

00:19:31.240 exact same as la buffana but for some reason uh this person ruth robbins made it a russian

00:19:36.640 figure rather than la buffana maybe she didn't want to get sued by italy was the mob big in the

00:19:44.740 60s over here i don't remember i don't know anything about that but she's like i better not 0.76

00:19:49.680 I can insult the Italians.

00:19:52.260 Spoken by a woman who lives in Chicago. 1.00

00:19:54.840 Yeah, she's not taking no chances.

00:19:58.940 At the end of the story with La Babushka,

00:20:01.700 she set out on her own story to visit the child Jesus,

00:20:05.060 but she never actually fulfilled the wish,

00:20:06.700 and she still wanders the earth.

00:20:08.640 But as she does, she leaves gifts for all the children of the world in her service.

00:20:12.360 So that's cute.

00:20:13.620 I still haven't received mine yet.

00:20:15.360 From La Bufana or Babushka.

00:20:17.360 Yeah, I'm waiting.

00:20:18.060 yeah wait who's the one who's lost uh babushka is the one that was lost in the story okay

00:20:23.300 now i'm waiting for my gift from her okay we'll send her a note still waiting just as a very

00:20:32.640 general figure we have the snow queen so once again the snow queen is not actually a figure

00:20:39.140 from folklore the snow queen is she from is the one from candy land what's this one what's the

00:20:46.040 What's the Snow Queen from Candyland?

00:20:47.760 Do you know the game, the board game Candyland?

00:20:50.280 No, never played it.

00:20:51.760 Oh, no.

00:20:53.300 Okay, I need to Google this now so I can show you.

00:20:55.900 Okay. 0.99

00:20:56.360 Her name is Queen Frostine. 0.98

00:20:58.540 Frostine? 0.99

00:20:59.280 Yeah.

00:20:59.940 That's amazing.

00:21:00.840 I love that so much.

00:21:01.900 From Candyland.

00:21:03.160 It's like a board game and it's like,

00:21:05.000 Oh, wow.

00:21:06.660 Queen Frostine.

00:21:07.640 I like it.

00:21:08.300 Oh, I like her dress.

00:21:09.300 She's beautiful.

00:21:10.620 When I was a little kid, I was like,

00:21:11.920 I don't grow up to be that.

00:21:13.200 Yeah.

00:21:13.420 I need you to provide any pop culture references that I haven't I don't have in here from your

00:21:18.740 American perspective because there's very few in Ireland because we don't really make our own

00:21:22.520 media so I'm sure there's lots of stuff that you can you see that we never see you know like

00:21:27.320 Candyland yeah like I don't think that's such a bummer that's like a I feel like that's like a

00:21:32.180 staple board game for kids it's probably it probably is but just we weren't really a board

00:21:37.560 game house like my family so maybe that's why but i don't think have i seen candyland in anybody's

00:21:43.480 house i think maybe but yeah i've never because there's like there's like all the different

00:21:48.820 characters from candyland and like i think that there was like a social media post it was like

00:21:54.580 who would play this guy who would play that guy like there's lord licorice

00:21:57.780 nice and people are like jim carrey like everybody's saying jim carrey for lord licorice yeah he does

00:22:05.680 he does have a little bit of jim carrey about him i think yeah it's pretty funny so the snow queen

00:22:12.860 as most people know maybe they don't uh was an original fairy tale by hans christian anderson

00:22:18.740 the story became popular especially after it was released in film form by soviet animators in the

00:22:25.680 1950s and then of course it was very loosely adapted by disney for frozen so elsa is based

00:22:33.300 on the snow queen but they changed like i think almost all of the plot line of it everything

00:22:39.840 except for the snow yeah it's like literally just snow in snook in snook art folk art

00:22:45.860 in folk art the snow queen may share some physical similarities with snigarashka um so she has like 0.79

00:22:53.800 usually the long blue dress and she has like ice white hair and she's usually pretty young looking 0.96

00:22:59.900 um or like you know they're really beautiful you know she she looks like a like a fairy queen or

00:23:06.340 like a snow queen yeah man that's a tough word ethereal ethereal yeah ethereally um so originally

00:23:14.560 in the original uh language uh the snow queen is snedroningen uh so in hans christian anderson's

00:23:22.720 story the snow queen is the main antagonist she is the evil queen of the snowflakes or snow bees 0.50

00:23:29.080 So that's the direct translation of Snowflake is Snowbee. 0.90

00:23:32.440 So she travels throughout the world with the snow.

00:23:35.360 Have you ever read The Snow Queen?

00:23:36.740 I've never actually read it.

00:23:38.220 No, I haven't.

00:23:38.980 I remember having a book of Hans Christian Andersen stories, but I don't remember actually

00:23:43.420 reading it, which is weird because I read everything that I had when I was a kid.

00:23:46.960 Anyway.

00:23:47.500 Yeah.

00:23:48.040 The Snow Queen's palace and gardens are in the lands of permafrost and they actually

00:23:52.960 have a geographical location.

00:23:54.840 They're in Spitsbergen, which is located in Svalbard.

00:23:59.080 um that's in northern Norway have you seen any um content like online from Svalbard no it's

00:24:06.860 really cool there's a lot of content creators especially like within it's like it's too late

00:24:11.300 in the year now but they were talking about getting ready for the polar night so like you

00:24:16.020 know when the sun doesn't rise for the next few months and just everything that they do like you

00:24:20.500 know um getting their house ready and like how they get like mentally ready for like the polar

00:24:26.000 night and all that which is really interesting there's also a lady that has this absolutely

00:24:30.200 gorgeous um i think he's a malamute he looks too big to be a husky um and he is absolutely

00:24:37.320 beautiful and he just has a complete tiktok account dedicated to him just running around

00:24:41.280 in the snow and absolutely loving life he's a proper sled dog so um oh is she the one who

00:24:46.580 camps all over the place i think so yeah she has a cabin i think i know who you're talking about

00:24:51.680 yeah she does seem to be out and about maybe not i the woman that i follow i don't think she has

00:24:58.060 really a residence or a house i think she just like is nomadic and travels all over the place

00:25:03.480 with her i i think she has two dogs now but started out with one and yeah it's like a sled

00:25:11.200 dog i'm gonna look up the name of the the dog that i'm talking about because i'm everybody

00:25:15.280 likes to see likes to look up dogs right we love dogs actually one of the top google searches is

00:25:22.760 who is the girl in svalberg on tiktok and it says cecilia blomdahl yeah she has a dog called grim

00:25:29.220 um that she adopted from her friend yeah she has so much stuff about like you know this is what it

00:25:34.620 looks like at 9 a.m and it's like just completely like it looks like twilight that's wild yeah it's

00:25:39.920 so cool so yes that's the woman i'm talking about i don't know if you've seen her what's her dog

00:25:44.340 called it's weird that i'll know more more by the dog's name than um her actual name i'm not really

00:25:49.660 sure wait yeah i don't know the dog's name no he's so cute oh he's beautiful i want to i want to do

00:25:58.180 this there's a lot of uh amazing content there if you just look up some dogs of svalbard um yeah

00:26:04.460 that's for you to see but it's cool that um the snow queen had an actual physical like address

00:26:09.640 yeah spitsbergen this is where she lives yes um so in the story she takes one of the protagonists

00:26:18.920 who is a little boy called kai kai has been corrupted by the splinter of a mirror belonging

00:26:24.380 to a troll who's actually the devil a splinter got into his eye and the splinter corrupted him 0.66

00:26:30.400 so he can only see the ugliness and hatred in people yikes yeah it's a it's intense 0.62

00:26:35.680 so she basically like entices him to come back to her palace and she promises when he realizes that

00:26:44.020 he's been taken captive she promises to free him and give him a pair of skates if he can spell out

00:26:49.080 the word eternity with pieces of ice in her palace so while this is happening kai's childhood friend

00:26:54.860 gerda she is on a quest to rescue him she meets all these characters along the way she finds kai

00:27:00.520 she runs up to him and kisses him and he's saved by the power of her love because he she weeps her

00:27:05.800 tears on him and melts his heart and it also burns away the mirror splinter because he he also starts

00:27:11.000 crying and then after the splinter is gone from his eye he becomes cheerful and healthy again

00:27:15.280 so yay yeah it's a happy ending um because not all of hans christian anderson's stories seem to

00:27:21.440 have those yeah seems like uh i've actually i don't think i've ever really read one of his

00:27:27.120 um fairy tales i really should though i should get a book with a bunch of them in it

00:27:32.440 yeah but i know that uh it's like a lot of the disney films were sort of adapted from those

00:27:40.100 little mermaids or his fairy tales yeah and the the actual ones are very dark yeah in comparison

00:27:47.620 so it sounds like right up our alley to be honest i know i'm like why have i not read these yeah

00:27:54.200 that's what i'm saying when i'm looking into this i'm like why why did i like i remember having a

00:27:58.200 book why did i never read them anyway maybe my mom thought they were too dark or something did

00:28:02.160 you ever watch the movie the brothers grim matt damon in that yeah and heath ledger i think i

00:28:07.620 saw it like right when it first came out i don't remember and they're basically playing

00:28:13.160 like the two brothers yeah and they're sort of like living in a fairy tale it's pretty cool

00:28:19.640 i actually it's one of the movies i actually really like yeah because that that's what the

00:28:24.380 grim brothers did like they like everyone refers to like the grim brothers fairy tales but what

00:28:28.500 they did was like mostly just collected folklore like existing folklore and like gave it like

00:28:34.320 structure neve are we the brothers grim oh my god this is what we are really excited

00:28:40.960 we are we got to come up with a cool name cooler than rowan and pine

00:28:45.540 and then the last sort of non-folklore like actual like mythology or folklore based category i have 0.72

00:28:53.640 are snow witches it's me through myth fairy tale and legend powerful women are depicted as dark 0.98

00:29:00.160 cruel and calculating and they're often naturally associated with winter because it's the withdrawal 0.70

00:29:06.520 of warmth and light from the world so like one of the probably the most well-known snow witch

00:29:11.460 is queen jadis or jadis this is one of those times where when you only read something and

00:29:17.200 you don't know how it's actually pronounced and it's been so long since i ever watched the

00:29:21.620 chronicles of narnia movies we actually just watched them i think we were watching them

00:29:27.720 when i was pregnant but again i remember nothing so she's portrayed by i keep going to call her

00:29:36.520 sandie newton it's not sandy newton it's oh oh oh my god you messed me up

00:29:42.920 tilda swinton tilda swinton i knew it was a strange name starting with t

00:29:48.900 yeah you were like one fourth of the way there sandy newton probably would have been a really 0.86

00:29:55.220 cool snow queen too because she has that whole i don't even know who that is regal thing um

00:30:00.020 i literally can't think of a single sandy newton film right now oh okay i do know who this is yeah

00:30:06.000 i just never knew her name also partly her name like that's not actually how it's pronounced

00:30:12.560 she like gave an interview like two years ago and she was like yeah everybody's been

00:30:16.740 pronounced my name wrong all of these years and i just didn't correct them like okay that's um

00:30:22.740 the same thing happened with uh john legend's wife i forget her name chrissy tegan yes what's

00:30:29.100 her name her last name is pronounced tygen oh which is funny because when i would read people

00:30:34.740 writing her name i thought it was pronounced teigan and then everybody was saying tegan and

00:30:38.580 i was like oh okay and then she came out a couple years ago and she was talking with her mom and

00:30:44.840 she's like mom how do we say our last name and she's just like laughing and she's like

00:30:48.460 i just let everybody say it wrong well it's like ariana grande like ariana grande and her brother

00:30:56.100 are the only ones in their family who pronounce the grande like apparently ever does everybody

00:31:00.760 else pronounce it it's something like grandy or like she pronounces it basically like the starbucks

00:31:05.800 like size but apparently that's they just started doing that because they thought it sounded better

00:31:11.260 interesting i know i suppose now i gotta look her up i guess all names are made up yeah really

00:31:17.700 and also just on the subject of like mispronouncing names so you know the irish actor who's having a

00:31:24.500 moment right now uh barry keoghan is how he pronounces his name i have no clue who you're

00:31:30.520 talking about he's in like saltburn killing of a sacred deer he's he was in the eternals

00:31:36.620 he was in banshees of initiate i'm just naming movies emily hasn't had a chance to see

00:31:42.120 anyway i haven't even heard of them he's uh he's like an irish actor and um like i would have like

00:31:50.820 everybody in ireland has always like all been pronouncing his name as kewan because that's

00:31:56.340 kewan is a well-known irish surname and also like gh usually you don't pronounce the g but he's been

00:32:03.020 giving interviews and calling himself barry keogan and everyone's like okay so there was a lot of

00:32:08.600 americans getting corrected online for pronouncing his surname wrong and they were all correcting or

00:32:13.240 they were all pronouncing them right because he's like no it is keogan and we were like where did

00:32:17.520 you get this from that's not a name that is hilarious yeah so anyway yeah it's kyogen i refuse

00:32:23.340 to accept it i just know from like growing up here that there are a lot of like names in like

00:32:30.600 say the u.s that don't have a mac or an o in front of them like in ireland but in the u.s that they

00:32:37.960 do so it's like somewhere along the line somebody wanted to sound more irish which is weird you know

00:32:46.140 it's like it's like that's not a name with a mac or an o in front of it like why have you put that

00:32:49.900 it's like mcanderson yeah exactly yeah like there's stuff there's stuff like that and you're

00:32:55.920 like that's not an irish name like you just made that up i could i could totally see people doing

00:33:00.820 that i don't know why everybody's very passionate about like i'm irish i'm irish it's like you're

00:33:06.440 american you were born here yeah if you call yourself irish and you know at least like five

00:33:12.080 things about the current state of the country have at it it's fine but if you think we all still

00:33:17.180 live in cottages please just stop you're like i'll allow it yeah i'll allow it if you know who

00:33:23.800 hosier is that's grant and you're saying you're irish oh my god anyway and you know if you know

00:33:31.240 what the song take me to church is actually about back to tilda swinton so um queen jadas or jadas

00:33:39.920 I'm just going to say Janus, is the final surviving resident and the self-declared queen of Charn. 0.98

00:33:45.920 She was extremely powerful. 0.93

00:33:47.740 She was an extra dimensional sorceress and was once the most famous, most infamous ruler of Narnia.

00:33:53.280 She was accidentally brought to the world of Narnia on the day of its creation and she was banished to the north by Aslan.

00:34:00.080 She returned 900 Narnian years later and usurped the throne from the original royal family of Narnia. 0.68

00:34:07.820 and as a curse upon her subjects she began the long winter where she magically forced Narnia

00:34:13.740 into a hundred year state of frozen snow and ice which lasted all through her reign thus earning

00:34:19.040 her the title the white witch she is sort of elements of the snow queen and winter witches 0.62

00:34:26.660 and all of that she's a pretty good like you can see where she came from when we look back at like

00:34:30.960 all these other like folkloric um characters or figures so you can see like her roots were in all

00:34:38.520 of these folkloric characters oh okay if you understand what i'm what i'm doing here what i'm

00:34:43.240 getting at i think it's like as as we have talked about like with harry potter usually they'll borrow

00:34:48.420 from a few different things uh yeah from mythology and stuff it's all just recycling i need somebody

00:34:54.360 to come up with something brand new and also release some films of like original ip because

00:35:00.440 i'm so sick of reboots and sequels oh my god right we don't need live action everything

00:35:05.720 yeah i don't need aladdin again i don't need the little mermaid again i don't need frozen again i

00:35:12.060 don't need all of it again yeah especially if it's been like less than a decade my god and can

00:35:18.220 we stop with the marvel films yeah i think marvel's dying to death though because i think they

00:35:23.900 oversaturated and everyone was like there is so much of this to keep track of and half of it's

00:35:28.900 not even any good so can we stop i know i i don't get it because i feel like i'm always hearing about

00:35:36.440 something new and i'm like what yeah i've not watched almost all of them so well it used to be

00:35:42.560 that like when they released a marvel movie that was like it would be the one of the year and it

00:35:47.640 would be like this big event and then they would have something else like it would say at the end

00:35:51.460 of the film like iron man will return in like 2013 or whatever the hell it was and it would be

00:35:59.600 like oh cool like and you'd be hyped and then it was getting to the point where they're releasing

00:36:02.780 like five a year and then there was all the tv shows and you're like i don't understand what

00:36:07.800 they're referencing because i haven't seen this like six part tv show which is like six hours of

00:36:12.620 content that i need to catch up on and yeah right boo thumbs down boo yeah we're we're really giving

00:36:19.100 disney a go here aren't we we are don't come after us we love you do we i don't know so let's go into

00:36:27.420 some actual folklore and mythology figures so we mentioned snigger roshka and we know her as the

00:36:33.220 granddaughter of zen marosh but there's actually another aspect to her personality so she is in

00:36:40.900 russia usually depicted beautifully on hand-painted russian russian crafts and she is known as the

00:36:48.120 daughter of spring and winter and the story that goes along with her is that she pines to live with

00:36:53.160 normal people and she actually gets bestowed upon a childless couple as a winter blessing

00:36:59.260 so there's this old couple who long for a child and they make a little girl out of snow

00:37:05.100 um and the little girl becomes a real living child who grows and grows by the hour

00:37:10.020 and her flesh is white as snow and they name her snegoroshka it just means basically snow child 0.85

00:37:15.900 yeah originally of course because it's russian and they're going to devastate us uh in the story

00:37:21.740 she melts when she jumps over a fire on st john's day so since john's day is june 24th so it's like 1.00

00:37:29.720 right you know when the snow is probably just melting in russia i assume russians please don't

00:37:35.600 come after us and she becomes a white cloud that floats away into the sky forever the story also

00:37:42.520 like like everything there's more attitude over the years uh she is actually apparently not able

00:37:49.720 to feel love herself and when she's growing up she remains indoors with her human parents until

00:37:55.460 the pull of the outdoors and the urge to be with other children becomes unbearable so her mother

00:38:01.460 allows her to go outside and she when she goes out she immediately falls in love with a human boy

00:38:07.020 but because 0.92

00:38:09.020 don't do it

00:38:09.660 because she has fallen in love

00:38:11.200 it warms her heart so much

00:38:12.660 that she melts

00:38:13.400 I told you not to 0.98

00:38:15.800 Rasha

00:38:16.840 can nobody be happy?

00:38:19.220 no

00:38:19.780 let the snow child

00:38:21.480 meet a boy

00:38:22.120 you stay in line

00:38:24.380 you stay in the house

00:38:25.900 you listen to your parents

00:38:27.240 listen to your parents

00:38:28.040 otherwise you melt

00:38:29.040 so that version of 0.94

00:38:31.440 Snigaroshka

00:38:32.160 has been adapted into

00:38:33.280 plays, movies

00:38:34.320 and even an opera

00:38:35.520 and now

00:38:36.460 we gotta go to our nordic neighbors again knock knock knock knock knock so skadi is one of the

00:38:44.760 most famous goddesses of snow or i guess she's technically a giantess so in viking myth skadi

00:38:52.180 was a jotun or one of the jotnar one of the frost giants that we were speaking about last week

00:38:57.120 she's associated with winter and snow just like the other jotnar she is associated with cold and

00:39:04.040 darkness her home is in the mountains where the snow never melts and she hunts with her bow she

00:39:09.800 is renowned for being clad in either snowshoes or skis and is often linked to the skiing god

00:39:15.680 because of this so she's almost like a goddess of skiing sounds like my kind of lady and of course 0.81

00:39:22.320 she wouldn't be a snow goddess if she didn't have a sad story to go with her

00:39:26.160 So the story begins with her father.

00:39:31.120 Her father was a giant called Tiahti.

00:39:33.180 He was renowned for being skilled with a bow as well.

00:39:37.060 So I reckon that's where she got her bow skills from.

00:39:39.300 But her father was killed by the Aesir gods in pursuit of Loki.

00:39:43.640 Skahti set out to gain vengeance for the death of her father,

00:39:47.120 but she was placated by the gods who had killed him.

00:39:50.820 They offered to place her father's eyes as stars in the night sky

00:39:54.320 and said that she could choose any

00:39:56.720 husband from their kind, yet with

00:39:58.600 one condition. She could only look 0.97

00:40:00.820 at her potential husband's feet

00:40:02.460 before choosing. 0.75

00:40:04.480 If I had looked at Medardo's feet

00:40:06.520 before I chose him as a husband, we wouldn't

00:40:08.540 be married, I'm just saying.

00:40:12.700 The look of disgust on your

00:40:14.640 face.

00:40:17.720 Yeah, does anybody 0.99

00:40:18.840 want to choose a husband by his feet? 0.99

00:40:20.820 My god.

00:40:22.420 Have you seen man feet?

00:40:24.320 Are you familiar with, I might actually blow your mind here if I send you like a clip of

00:40:28.480 it.

00:40:28.640 Are you familiar with the TV show in the UK called Naked Attraction?

00:40:34.880 It sounds familiar, but I haven't seen it.

00:40:37.240 So Naked Attraction is a show where people, somebody stands in the middle of a studio

00:40:43.580 and there are people behind like glass partitions.

00:40:49.000 This is starting to sound way more familiar.

00:40:50.820 yeah and it starts by showing you their feet and you have to eliminate one person based on their

00:40:56.240 feet and then it goes up and it shows like their crotch and they're fully naked and you have to 0.99

00:41:01.660 eliminate based on their penis genitals yeah penis or vagina whichever you're into this is all like 0.99

00:41:08.520 you basically you see their face last and the people have to answer questions and stuff what 0.99

00:41:12.580 the hell actually when you mentioned Chrissy Teigen or Teigen she had a few like very funny

00:41:20.160 tweets where she was clearly on tour with john legend and she turned on like tv in her hotel

00:41:24.940 room she was like there are peepees on my tv oh my god because they don't censor in britain correct

00:41:30.520 no like there's like the 9 p.m watershed so if it's after 9 p.m you can usually get away with

00:41:35.640 most things except like actual hardcore porn that's wild yeah i mean it's good in a way because

00:41:42.380 like there's there's another show called embarrassing bodies which is like people will

00:41:46.920 go and you know they'll show like embarrassing things with their bodies like to get like a

00:41:52.100 medical opinion on it so you see sort of a lot of things a lot of gross things but you see a lot of

00:41:57.080 things that are like you know it normalizes yeah it normalizes that not everybody's like you know

00:42:02.980 picture perfect so it's good in that way and then they had like different like sex education shows

00:42:08.660 when i would have been like the right age for it which was cool like it's yeah but naked attraction 0.92

00:42:13.860 is just it's fucking bonkers i can't imagine being like okay your feet your knees thighs 0.99

00:42:20.500 all right uh just your genitals and i don't know anything else about you 0.99

00:42:27.260 it's it's so strange and then like sometimes because you'll fight you'll look at the people 0.97

00:42:32.620 and you're like you sort of get an idea what you think their face looks like and they'll have like

00:42:36.480 a completely different face than what you think they would you know it's so weird it's also quite

00:42:41.000 it hard to age people when you can't see their face yeah yeah because unless they're like really

00:42:45.820 old or really young you can't tell and what's interesting too is so unless they have like

00:42:52.220 tattoos or piercings or like dyed hair or you know something like to give them away you have no idea

00:42:58.380 what their sense of style is like so they'll often come out like fully dressed after say after they've 0.72

00:43:03.680 been eliminated and you're like wow I would not have thought that she was like you know like a 1.00

00:43:09.420 punk or like a full goss or anything like that you know just based on what they look like naked 1.00

00:43:15.040 so weird yeah so anyway that's naked attraction so the norse version of naked attraction

00:43:22.180 that was when scatty was given the opportunity to choose a god to be her husband

00:43:28.820 and she actually had a crush on one who emily has mentioned before she mentioned it in one of our

00:43:36.580 pine cones episodes it was actually our friday the 13th episode it's also sort of a household

00:43:41.160 name in my house anyway because it's in the name of a video game that ewan has been playing for

00:43:46.900 absolute months balder ewan has been playing balder's gate but emily mentioned uh balder

00:43:52.940 in the story when she talked about his death little festive tangent balder was killed by

00:44:00.060 loki at a feast that was being thrown by odin he was killed by a mistletoe tipped spear

00:44:06.380 The reason why that was interesting, why mistletoe, which is very festive and very in keeping with our episode today.

00:44:11.600 So when Baldur was younger, he and also his mother, Freak, they had the same dream prophesying his death.

00:44:18.360 After that, Freak was so distraught that she made every object on Earth promise never to hurt him.

00:44:24.640 But the only object that she didn't promise because she thought it was so harmless was mistletoe.

00:44:29.920 It was a mistletoe tipped spear that Loki used to kill Baldur.

00:44:33.020 Yikes.

00:44:33.940 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:34.220 She really fumbled that one.

00:44:36.380 So anyway, during her stint on Naked Attractions,

00:44:39.600 Scatty agreed because she thought she would be able to tell Baldur's feet from all of the others easily.

00:44:44.840 But it turns out that this wasn't the case.

00:44:46.940 Much to her dismay, she instead chose the feet of the sea god Njord due to his dazzling tootsies.

00:44:54.820 Because she'd accepted the offer, it was binding.

00:44:57.600 She took him on as her husband, but they had nothing in common

00:45:01.000 because he was of the sea and she was of the mountains.

00:45:03.460 and they decided to split their time between his realm and her realm.

00:45:08.680 In the end, Njord couldn't take the howling of the mountain wolves after nine nights. 0.99

00:45:13.500 So he's a little pussy boy. 0.97

00:45:16.400 So he insisted that they move to the sea. 0.98

00:45:18.540 When they moved to the sea, Skadi couldn't sleep with the screeching of the seagulls.

00:45:24.280 Who can?

00:45:24.780 Yeah.

00:45:25.420 So they decided to get divorced and they each returned to their respective homes.

00:45:29.700 Wow.

00:45:30.220 What a story.

00:45:31.140 Yeah.

00:45:31.400 But for anybody wondering about, did she ever get like vengeance for the death of her father

00:45:37.140 or even for the death of her endless crush, Balder?

00:45:39.800 She played a role in the torturing of Loki. 0.98

00:45:41.740 She set a venomous snake above his face while he was bound as payback. 1.00

00:45:46.280 Yikes. 1.00

00:45:46.740 Good for her.

00:45:47.180 Oh no. 1.00

00:45:47.980 Didn't think she would know much about venomous snakes being like a mountain girl, but a snowy 0.99

00:45:52.640 mountain girl, but. 0.97

00:45:53.640 A snowy mountain girl.

00:45:55.080 Yeah. 0.54

00:45:55.620 Sounds like a country song.

00:45:57.560 My snowy mountain girl. 1.00

00:45:59.780 she likes to be in the caves i like to be in my truck and she likes her ass it goes 0.99

00:46:06.940 so yeah scatty it's thought that she has her origins as a deity from the very like 0.98

00:46:15.360 northernmost part of the scandinavian region because she has attributes linked to the sammy

00:46:22.100 way of life like skiing and hunting and i think you mentioned sammy people before i can't remember

00:46:28.060 And she has links to the Sami Volver.

00:46:32.540 So that's their term for witches who practice a form of magic during the Viking age. 0.89

00:46:37.520 And it was a skill, of course, mainly used by women.

00:46:40.400 And it's like sort of evolved into the shamanic, shamanic, shamanic practices of the Sami.

00:46:47.080 Shamanic?

00:46:47.620 Shamanic. 1.00

00:46:48.860 Yeah, I'd say that.

00:46:50.200 So their structure of beliefs is both polytheistic and animistic.

00:46:55.020 and they basically like they worship or they hold in high esteem all the things of the natural world

00:47:01.640 like rocks rivers trees everything has a spirit and a life force if you listen to colors of the

00:47:07.360 wind it's very similar to that but of a completely different culture i was gonna say it's a very i

00:47:12.160 feel like it's um i feel like that's something that a lot of indigenous cultures believe

00:47:16.400 look where we are now native americans celtic cultures believed a lot in like you know the

00:47:23.080 power of trees and rocks and you know the oak was like there's the kelp sacred tree and you know

00:47:30.200 yes it was like close to god almost right um but yeah if uh sammy beliefs are sounding familiar

00:47:39.400 to anybody especially anybody who has little kids they're also depicted in frozen too because there

00:47:45.600 are indigenous sammy elders in frozen too oh really apparently i've not seen frozen too i

00:47:51.660 haven't either yeah but i know what i'm turning on later for the baby nice yeah you have a reason

00:47:56.540 to watch it so the very last one that we're going to talk about because i this is somebody i wasn't

00:48:01.680 really familiar with and i was like why have i never heard of her the scottish goddess of winter

00:48:06.200 he was bera so bera is not just the goddess of winter she's apparently the mother of all gods

00:48:12.240 and goddesses in scotland wow so she's like the creator goddess she's special yeah but she's also

00:48:18.200 very fearsome. The quote goes, before

00:48:20.120 gods and goddesses were born, there was

00:48:22.220 Bera, Queen of Winter and one of

00:48:24.160 Scotland's most powerful deities. 0.73

00:48:26.000 She created not only the rest of the Celtic

00:48:28.200 pantheon, but also the hills and the mountains

00:48:30.300 and all of the steep hikes of Scotland.

00:48:32.760 She has only one eye

00:48:34.100 and her teeth are the colour of copper.

00:48:37.060 So she's not winning any 0.75

00:48:38.380 So she's sexy. 0.99

00:48:39.780 She's not winning any modern beauty standards. 1.00

00:48:43.240 But also she 1.00

00:48:44.200 sounds pretty cool, like her skin is blue and her long

00:48:46.200 hair is white. Wow. 1.00

00:48:47.720 yeah she's quite the quite the looker although her reign is undisputed during the winter when 0.99

00:48:54.200 spring comes her subjects begin to rebel against her rule because such is the cycle and the nature

00:49:00.400 of life usually when her rule is receding she's replaced by the coming of angus and they're saying

00:49:07.780 bridget i'm thinking bridget um like the celtic goddess bridget who are the king and queen of

00:49:13.320 summer and plenty. Bera has

00:49:15.260 a few other names. She is known

00:49:17.280 as Kalliuk which is when I was

00:49:19.220 in school that was the word we had for

00:49:21.240 witch. So when we were doing like Halloween

00:49:23.100 stuff it was like 0.50

00:49:24.940 Kalliuk was just the word for witch. It means hag 0.90

00:49:27.100 and the actual like root of the word is the

00:49:29.060 veiled one which sounds very cool

00:49:30.840 and mysterious. That is really cool.

00:49:33.000 In Irish her name

00:49:35.100 comes from An Kalliuk Bera 0.99

00:49:37.020 Bera is like

00:49:39.180 an old word meaning sharp or shrill

00:49:41.300 so they think it has 0.94

00:49:43.220 like a jewel meaning that she's like an old hag but also like the how sharp and like the howling

00:49:48.220 of winter yeah she's been given a couple of other names there is a ninth century irish poem called

00:49:55.120 the lament of the old woman that gave her the name digda in the hunt of slive cullin she is called

00:50:01.460 melucra and she's also in that poem known as the sister of anja anja is a very common name here in

00:50:10.440 ireland it's a with a little accent father a father i n e on you um and on you what father

00:50:16.800 you know like in french there's like a little accent so it'll be going this way sorry i'm

00:50:20.280 doing it like merge for you oh so it's the that's the name for the accent yes like character or

00:50:25.920 whatever okay i was like what letter is that

00:50:28.660 anya is the irish goddess of summer wealth and sovereignty uh bear also appears in the tale of

00:50:38.780 a glass governing which was about a very fertile cow there's a lot of old irish stories about very

00:50:43.380 fertile cows or very significant cows it's like jesus christ pick another animal we had wolves

00:50:49.320 would you not do more of them and that story she's called birog so yeah she has like all these other

00:50:55.060 names but they're all the same names for this same person the kalyuk or bera okay favorite

00:51:01.640 characteristics the reason she doesn't die of old age is because just like our frosty boys

00:51:08.600 last week she she basically ages throughout the winter and then she de-ages at the end

00:51:13.520 so at the beginning of every spring she drinks the magic waters of the well of youth which bubble up

00:51:21.180 on the green island of the west so that's like off the west coast of scotland and then she thaws out

00:51:26.580 yeah and that's a floating island where summer is the only season and the trees are always bright

00:51:32.000 with blossom and laden with fruit which sounds a little bit like the other world from like

00:51:36.940 Irish mythology, Tirnanog, the land of eternal youth. So we see that a lot. The waters of the

00:51:42.900 well of youth are most potent when the days begin to grow longer. So like in the springtime

00:51:47.620 and most potent of all on the first lengthening days of spring. So Bera as a matter of habit 0.57

00:51:54.500 would always visit the island on the night before the first lengthening day. And that's the last

00:52:00.620 night of her reign as queen of winter. So that is actually winter solstice. So the long night

00:52:06.120 And then the day started to get a little bit longer again.

00:52:09.300 So from when we're recording, just two days from now, but it would have been a week ago for anybody listening on the day of release.

00:52:15.840 Oh, wow. That's so crazy that it's coming up so soon.

00:52:19.920 Yeah. And of course, she has some ground rules for when she gets to have her magic drink.

00:52:24.080 She has to drink from the well of youth before any bird visits it and before any dog barks.

00:52:30.320 If a bird drank first or a dog barked first, she would crumble into dust. 0.96

00:52:35.240 she's fucking dramatic i was gonna say that's very um you made these rules yeah yeah why are 0.98

00:52:41.820 you doing that to yourself she's like the the classic like mother or grandmother it's like oh 0.99

00:52:46.800 i guess i'll just never drink from the well then i'll just go then yeah i'll just go crumble into

00:52:51.820 dust then okay martyr right so as soon as she drinks uh she begins to grow young again and then

00:52:59.780 in the story she left the island

00:53:02.320 and when she returned to Scotland

00:53:04.040 she fell into a magic sleep

00:53:05.720 when she awoke

00:53:08.000 in the bright sunshine she rose up as a

00:53:10.020 beautiful girl with long yellow hair

00:53:12.040 and red cheeks

00:53:13.400 cheeks red as rowan berries actually

00:53:15.700 and blue eyes that

00:53:17.920 sparkled like the summer sea and sunshine

00:53:19.860 where's the pine reference

00:53:21.320 yeah I don't see any pine references

00:53:23.760 it's coming up right? no

00:53:24.080 she went

00:53:27.820 to and fro through Scotland with her

00:53:29.640 gorgeous new face it's like when you get your hair cut and you want everybody to see you she

00:53:33.980 is clad in a robe of green and crowned with a chaplet of bright flowers of many hues no fairer 0.57

00:53:40.080 goddess was to be found in all the land save bridget the peerless queen of summer so we're not

00:53:46.900 pinning women on off against each other here okay i'm sure you're both absolutely beautiful

00:53:50.540 you're gorgeous you're gorgeous bera gorgeous as each month passes bera ages quickly she reaches

00:53:59.800 full womanhood in midsummer and then when autumn comes her brows wrinkle and her beauty begins to 0.97

00:54:07.680 fade so she doesn't have any botox but you know that's okay i feel that my brow is starting to 0.99

00:54:12.800 wrinkle by the time it's winter again she's an old and weathered hag she becomes fiercer and more 0.98

00:54:21.780 bitter the older she gets which don't we fucking all that's what i like to hear i feel you girl 0.97

00:54:26.660 so then the cycle begins again once the summer solstice comes when she regains her youth and 0.99

00:54:31.960 then she goes to sleep and then when she awakes again she's gorgeous again i feel like that would

00:54:35.960 be an exhausting existence all of that all right we're doing this again and she's forming all of

00:54:41.080 the mountains and lakes and forests and all of that like wow yeah she's good yeah she's actually

00:54:47.540 credited with creating Loch Ness oh specifically Loch Ness so she has another well in Inverness 0.99

00:54:55.940 which had to be kept covered from sunset to sunrise but one of her maids whose name was Nessa 0.99

00:55:02.060 creative was in charge of the well one evening Nessa was late going to the well to cover it over 0.92

00:55:09.020 but when she drew near she saw the water flowing so fast out of the well that she turned away and

00:55:14.200 ran for her life. Bera watched her from the top of Ben Nevis which is the highest mountain in

00:55:18.760 Scotland and it was her mountain throne and cried you have neglected your duty now you will run

00:55:23.820 forever and never leave water. Well and that's how Loch Ness got formed. So who made Nessie? Yeah

00:55:29.880 maybe uh she had like a lizard friend or something. It's her pet. Once a year actually when the night 0.99

00:55:38.180 it's the anniversary of the night that Nessa

00:55:40.240 was transformed

00:55:41.640 she arises out of the river in her girl form

00:55:44.500 and she sings a sad sweet song

00:55:46.600 in the pale moonlight

00:55:47.460 and it's said that her voice is clearer

00:55:50.000 and more beautiful than that of any bird

00:55:51.920 and her music more melodious than the golden harps

00:55:54.420 and silver and pipes of fairyland

00:55:56.180 wow

00:55:57.540 just to finish this off

00:55:59.840 she has some themes in life and death

00:56:01.920 and with animals

00:56:02.960 she's said to be the guardian of life force

00:56:05.280 in this role she 0.78

00:56:06.920 finds and nourishes the seeds buried 0.83

00:56:09.260 in the earth and then begins to bring them

00:56:11.280 to life during spring 0.99

00:56:12.360 so she's the goddess of death and 0.98

00:56:15.380 rebirth. She also guards the 0.77

00:56:17.300 animals during winter and

00:56:19.260 protects them from the harsh elements

00:56:20.860 She sounds like a great lady

00:56:23.240 Yeah, she's like an all-rounder 0.99

00:56:25.240 Just another significant date 1.00

00:56:29.280 to bear in mind because it'll be coming up

00:56:31.060 not too long away

00:56:32.680 in February on St. Bridget's Day

00:56:35.300 That is the day that Bera collects all of her firewood to keep her warm.

00:56:41.140 She collects the firewood if she plans on making winter last longer.

00:56:44.980 If she's going to be collecting firewood, she ensures fair weather on that day for the wood gathering.

00:56:49.700 But if it's bad weather, it means that it's actually going to get better as the year goes on

00:56:55.160 because she doesn't have to gather any wood and she's not ensuring fair weather.

00:56:58.820 So keep an eye out for what the weather is like on St. Bridget's Day this year

00:57:02.900 because it will give you an indication if the winter is going to last much longer that's so

00:57:06.520 funny because it's groundhog's day yeah but it's different that's such a good point i wonder if

00:57:12.600 that's where like groundhog day like was it borrowed yeah i wonder if they were like yeah

00:57:17.460 we need to make our own that's so but american so yeah those are my snow queens goddesses maidens

00:57:23.720 and witches i love them i love them all i love them all some of them are from folklore some of

00:57:29.380 them are just fictional um some of them are clear just like marketing and capitalism

00:57:34.080 but we won't hold it against them

00:57:37.980 it's okay i hope you guys enjoyed it and i hope everybody's keeping warm because it's

00:57:45.500 it's gonna be warm here for christmas so we're not emily is disgusted i'm disgusted

00:57:51.080 what did you say i say to myself i hope it's a white christmas

00:57:55.680 i was excited because here in chicago it hasn't been snowy on christmas

00:58:04.000 in a long time and um we're going to minnesota for christmas

00:58:10.060 and they've had white christmases the last few years so i was like okay we're gonna get a white

00:58:14.840 christmas and then it said gotcha so rude yeah it's gonna be 10 degrees here that's the same

00:58:23.240 although we call it 50 so thank you for listening to our final episode of 2023

00:58:31.020 wow yes thank you guys so much i can't even believe that that we're here this is so great

00:58:38.440 again i think i can't believe we've made it like to two like new years on this podcast it's yeah

00:58:44.100 cool we've been doing this for about a year and a half that's nuts do you have any i keep seeing

00:58:49.600 like rather than like new year's resolutions people just asking like do you have like a word

00:58:54.520 a focus word for 2024 is there a word that you would like to carry with you I haven't thought

00:59:00.160 about it yet but I'll let you know when I think about it yeah it's always I know like people

00:59:05.960 people like you know you know make fun of people like oh it's like it's such a cliche to like you

00:59:11.440 know you're just gonna wake up on another morning and like it's you know it's you're still gonna be

00:59:15.720 the same person that you were yesterday but i think like if resetting at the start of the year

00:59:19.600 helps you like there's absolutely nothing wrong with it right if that ritual helps you because

00:59:26.320 it's a new it is a new date you know you're writing a new date on your nobody writes checks

00:59:31.320 anymore but you know what i mean on your paperwork that you fill out at the doctor wherever you go

00:59:36.540 yeah yeah it's if you if you want to do that and feel like you're refreshed and everything's new

00:59:43.180 then go for it yeah my only advice as somebody who's like i'm pretty okay like if i pick up a

00:59:50.300 habit i can usually like keep it going for a long time like if i like make a decision i'm pretty

00:59:56.020 good at that like rub it in no i was just gonna say like my only advice for people is to it's

01:00:03.940 like baby steps tiny changes yeah like don't go like i'm gonna like become really fit this year

01:00:10.080 and i'm gonna like be gonna be able to run like whatever by the end of the year just like try

01:00:14.400 walking first yeah try actually wanting to go outside first try joining the gym yeah it's like

01:00:20.540 i was talking to my doctor about wanting to lose weight and she asked me how much i want to lose

01:00:25.320 and i was like well i don't like to think of the big number first i like to think of like

01:00:30.900 it in chunks so i'll be like well i want to lose 10 pounds yeah and then when i get to losing 10

01:00:35.620 pounds i go i want to lose 10 more just because it's easier for me because if i'm like i want to

01:00:41.100 lose 80 pounds or whatever it is that's a lot that feels like way too much to tackle yeah it's a big

01:00:46.620 it's a big like number to put in front of yourself yeah and also like there's nothing wrong with like

01:00:52.320 one day at a time one week at a time if there's a change you want to make and it could be like

01:00:56.320 it's not even giving up something it could be replacing something it can be creating a new

01:01:01.700 habit if you just want to like get a little bit better about like like one of my one of my this

01:01:06.680 was years ago but one of my like resolutions if you can call it that was i was just going to get

01:01:11.520 better at replying to people yeah because i used to be horrific for that and i i have gotten a

01:01:18.260 little bit better at replying to people i think you're pretty good yeah like i'll usually i'll

01:01:24.020 try and reply that day if not within the next couple of days yeah because everybody's busy

01:01:28.780 and every like I will never judge somebody for not replying to me like I have friends that like

01:01:33.220 I'll text them and I don't hear back from them for literally weeks Sinead Kennedy and um

01:01:38.800 not to name any names Sinead Kennedy no but I know that it's like it's not that like she's mad

01:01:47.720 at me or anything like that it's just like yeah sometimes she just has to take some time off or

01:01:53.020 sometimes she's just not doesn't have the capacity yeah and for me i'm being overrun by a child so

01:01:59.100 everybody that i don't respond to it's not personal at all it's just my life is chaos i'm trying to do

01:02:05.220 way too many things yeah at once on top of having a baby so it's pretty crazy but i think like as 0.97

01:02:12.800 as much shit as like us millennials get i think we're all we've all become as a generation 0.98

01:02:20.100 pretty good about like being a bit more gentle with ourselves and with each other 0.99

01:02:24.700 yeah like we're the best you can say it yeah we are and we break like these habits of like

01:02:31.140 hopefully trying to be like perfect at everything because you can't be and you shouldn't be right

01:02:37.980 and if you're great at everything like what else are you gonna do like you're just gonna be bored

01:02:42.140 you always should have something to work towards you know for sure strive forever yes

01:02:49.160 um and on that note yeah if there's anything that you guys that you guys want to um tell us about

01:02:57.540 like your resolutions what you're giving up what you're carrying over uh let us know on our

01:03:02.720 instagram and we always love to hear it yeah okay right um and we love you guys we love you

01:03:08.660 and with that i have been neve for 2023 and i'm emily also for 2023 and we will hopefully be the

01:03:15.400 same people in 2024 and let's hope for like not another pandemic or something you know

01:03:21.480 folklore all right fuck yeah folklore everybody goodbye happy new year bye happy new year 0.91

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