There Are No Girls on the Internet - July 29, 2022


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00:01:54.200 I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.
00:01:59.100 So it turns out it's not just you.
00:02:01.540 I feel like Instagram has been pretty not fun lately.
00:02:05.660 Images on my grid look terrible.
00:02:07.740 I hardly ever see pictures from the people I actually want to get updates from.
00:02:11.920 My in-real-life friends, cool creators that I intentionally followed on Instagram so that I would see their posts.
00:02:17.380 I almost never see them.
00:02:20.120 And actually, I hardly ever see photos on Instagram at all.
00:02:23.920 What I do see are tons of reels,
00:02:26.800 short video clips from creators and influencers that I don't follow
00:02:30.360 and have never interacted with.
00:02:32.720 And I don't know if it's just my feed,
00:02:34.640 but it's usually not even reels about things that actually interest me.
00:02:38.520 Like I get a lot of reels about cleaning hacks
00:02:41.060 and different cleaning tactics that people are using.
00:02:43.060 And anyone who knows me knows that I am not interested in cleaning. 0.55
00:02:47.340 I am a total slob.
00:02:48.660 Although maybe that's just the algorithm kind of shadily trying to tell me something.
00:02:53.180 And it's also clear that a lot of these reels are just repurposed videos from TikTok,
00:02:58.100 oftentimes one that I've already seen on TikTok making its way to Instagram weeks later.
00:03:03.640 I also see tons of sponsored reels that are just video advertisements.
00:03:08.440 And I see a lot of these same kinds of video advertisements in my Instagram stories, too.
00:03:12.740 So if you have noticed this, you are not alone.
00:03:16.080 And the ever-powerful Kardashians have noticed it, too.
00:03:20.420 This week, Kim Kardashian and Kylie Jenner posted a meme reading,
00:03:24.720 make Instagram Instagram again. Stop trying to be TikTok. I just want to see cute photos of my
00:03:29.740 friends. And celebrities like the Kardashians have historically had a pretty big influence
00:03:34.760 in the way that social media platforms are run. In February 2018, Kylie Jenner posted a tweet to
00:03:40.820 her then 24.5 million followers saying that Snapchat was basically over. She tweeted,
00:03:47.960 So does anyone else not even open Snapchat anymore?
00:03:51.540 Or is it just me?
00:03:53.120 Ugh, this is so sad.
00:03:55.000 And just one day later, Snapchat shares had plummeted by 6%.
00:03:59.320 And within a week, Snapchat had lost about $1.3 billion.
00:04:04.980 And back when Snapchat featured an offensive advertisement made by a third party
00:04:09.540 that asked users whether they'd rather slap Rihanna or punch Chris Brown,
00:04:13.540 you'll remember that Chris Brown was dating Rihanna and physically attacked her.
00:04:18.260 Snapchat apologized, but Rihanna was not having it.
00:04:22.100 She responded, saying,
00:04:23.640 You spent money to animate something that would intentionally bring shame to domestic violence victims and make a joke of it.
00:04:29.700 This isn't about my personal feelings, because I don't have much of them.
00:04:32.840 But all the women, children, and men who have been victims of domestic violence in the past, and especially the ones that haven't made it out yet.
00:04:39.520 You let us down. Shame on you. Throw the whole app-ology away.
00:04:44.720 And people listened, and they really did throw the whole app away.
00:04:49.160 This whole thing ended up costing Snapchat about $800 million, according to Vanity Fair.
00:04:53.700 So there is definitely a precedent for big celebrities having a very real influence over social media platforms.
00:05:00.640 Which is probably why, the very next day, the head of Instagram, Adam Mosseri, rushed to respond to the Kardashian criticisms of the app.
00:05:09.520 Criticisms that I feel really echo how a lot of us feel about Instagram.
00:05:13.840 Ryan Mack, tech reporter at the New York Times, pointed out that Mosseri usually posts recaps
00:05:19.460 or updates about what's happening with Instagram at the end of the week, but this time he responded
00:05:24.400 the very next day, on a Tuesday, after the Kardashians' posts. Mack said that he would
00:05:29.700 not be surprised at all if their criticisms were seen internally at Instagram as red alerts
00:05:34.660 that the company needed to respond to immediately. So let's get into his response, which frankly
00:05:39.980 wasn't great. First, he posted a video on Twitter, which I feel like really tells you something that
00:05:46.280 he needed to use a completely different platform to explain the changes. But in any event,
00:05:51.420 basically he said, we know you hate what's going on with Instagram and it's obviously awful, but
00:05:57.340 too bad because we're not going to change it. A big complaint is that photos, which was initially
00:06:02.240 the purpose of Instagram in the first place, have been deprioritized by the platform's algorithm
00:06:07.040 in favor of TikTok-style video reels.
00:06:10.140 So unless you're posting that kind of video content,
00:06:12.720 your posts are likely not going to have a lot of reach.
00:06:15.460 So if you've noticed that images
00:06:16.880 that you've been posting on Instagram
00:06:18.120 have not gotten a lot of engagement lately,
00:06:20.380 that's what's going on.
00:06:21.900 Mozari spoke to this,
00:06:23.320 saying that the platform was only trying
00:06:25.100 to give users what they want, which is video content.
00:06:28.160 That said, I need to be honest.
00:06:30.240 I do believe that more and more of Instagram
00:06:32.120 is going to become video over time.
00:06:33.680 We see this even if we change nothing.
00:06:35.460 We see this even if you just look at chronological feed.
00:06:38.300 If you look at what people share on Instagram, that's shifting more and more to videos over
00:06:41.820 time.
00:06:42.820 If you look at what people like and consume and view on Instagram, that's also shifting
00:06:45.860 more and more to video over time, even when we stop changing anything.
00:06:48.480 So we're going to have to lean into that shift while continuing to support photos.
00:06:53.780 The third thing I want to talk about is recommendations.
00:06:56.900 Recommendations are posts in your feed from accounts that you do not follow.
00:07:00.220 The idea is to help you discover new and interesting things on Instagram that you might not know
00:07:04.240 even exist.
00:07:05.240 Now, if you're seeing things in your feed that are recommendations that you're not interested in, that means that we're doing a bad job ranking and we need to improve.
00:07:12.220 And you can X out for recommendation.
00:07:13.820 You can even snooze all recommendations for up to a month or go to your following feed.
00:07:17.940 But we're going to continue to try and get better at recommendations because we think it's one of the most effective and important ways to help creators reach more people.
00:07:26.760 And I hate, hate, hate that reasoning.
00:07:30.800 Because first, they basically use their algorithm to surface video content over photos.
00:07:36.280 And they've been explicitly telling creators that they have to make video content if they want to perform well on Instagram.
00:07:42.380 So then turning around and claiming, oh, video is just the kind of content that users like to engage with the most.
00:07:47.660 So we're just giving you what you want.
00:07:49.140 Like they didn't actually put their thumb on the scales, doesn't really work.
00:07:53.540 And Instagram really has gone out of their way to tell creators that they must be making
00:07:57.860 Reels to perform well, even giving creators the ability to monetize Reels on the platform.
00:08:02.900 So obviously, prioritizing video content isn't just some happenstance way that the
00:08:07.720 platform is trying to give users what they want.
00:08:10.140 Also, I have a really hard time just taking Facebook at their word about how they say
00:08:16.020 their users are engaging with video content.
00:08:18.640 Let's take a little trip down memory lane.
00:08:20.700 Facebook has a clear, documented history of inflating metrics to benefit their own bottom line.
00:08:26.260 And I guess another word for that might be lying or might be fraud.
00:08:30.680 I don't know. I'm no legal expert, but, you know, not telling the truth about what's going on, we'll say.
00:08:35.920 Facebook had to pay out $40 million to settle a lawsuit involving inflated video metrics.
00:08:40.760 Their metrics were inflated by 150 to 900 percent.
00:08:44.880 So basically, Facebook told media companies that users are watching lots and lots and lots of video content, as opposed to reading text content, which was not true at all.
00:08:55.360 And based on that, companies then pivoted to video and did things like laying off writing staff to prioritize video producers.
00:09:02.860 I was working in media at the time, and I actually saw firsthand the real-world impact and harm this caused to actual people.
00:09:10.240 People lost their jobs, and previously independent media outlets like College Humor and Enzi on the air either shrunk or in some cases folded all together.
00:09:19.380 And I saw so many good people be pushed out of media because of this and just leave the field.
00:09:25.840 Because working in a field where a company like Facebook can have so much control over your livelihood by lying just didn't feel stable.
00:09:33.820 And Facebook's punishment for doing all this?
00:09:36.340 Well, I told you that Facebook had to pay $40 million to settle this case.
00:09:40.420 But that's just 0.18% of the company's annual revenue.
00:09:44.740 So pretty much nothing.
00:09:46.660 And this isn't even the first time that Facebook has misled people about how users are engaging with their content.
00:09:51.520 A lawsuit from 2021 alleges the company lied to advertisers about how many people their ads could reach for years.
00:09:58.640 And they did this knowingly.
00:10:00.380 And when a Facebook product manager suggested changes to make the metrics more accurate,
00:10:04.840 Facebook managers rejected the idea
00:10:06.780 because the revenue impact would be significant.
00:10:11.020 Oh, or how about when Facebook decided
00:10:13.080 to get into podcasts back in 2021
00:10:14.900 and it only lasted a year,
00:10:17.080 during which it seems like everybody
00:10:19.060 was getting their podcasts from Facebook.
00:10:21.060 Only the company said that a quote,
00:10:23.460 error was causing those metrics
00:10:25.560 to be artificially inflated
00:10:27.080 before ditching podcasts altogether.
00:10:29.820 So yeah, definitely trust what Facebook says
00:10:32.500 about how users engage with its content
00:10:34.300 at your own peril.
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00:12:35.980 When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months.
00:12:41.880 I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them.
00:12:48.260 I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files.
00:12:51.960 I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, 0.99
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00:13:00.080 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable.
00:13:04.580 I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me.
00:13:09.140 I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming.
00:13:16.580 They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.
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00:13:41.360 And we're back.
00:13:45.560 And I think that's what it really comes down to.
00:13:48.360 Instagram wants to do two things.
00:13:50.140 One, compete with TikTok.
00:13:51.300 If you listen to the episode that we did with Abby Richards about how they worked with PR companies to make TikTok look bad, then you already know all about this.
00:13:59.480 And two, generate ad revenue.
00:14:01.600 They don't care if this is what their user base wants or what creators want.
00:14:04.820 Their leadership is basically just saying, too bad.
00:14:07.340 And, you know, I love TikTok, but I don't make video content myself because it's just not me.
00:14:13.080 I'm a podcaster, not a performer.
00:14:15.400 I want to break something down in like a wordy 30-minute episode,
00:14:19.320 which just does not always translate to a slick 30-second video performance.
00:14:23.560 I also just think that short-form video takes a lot more of a specific kind of energy and skills.
00:14:28.440 And it's actually why influencers like the Kardashians probably don't like it very much.
00:14:33.460 Because it's one thing to be gorgeous and look perfect and polished at a still photograph.
00:14:37.860 It's quite another to make a video where you have to be engaging, funny, or smart.
00:14:42.260 And no shade to them, because it is definitely not my skill set either.
00:14:46.040 I remember when Instagram first started prioritizing video content,
00:14:49.220 and I knew it was pretty much going to be over for me on that platform.
00:14:53.100 Instagram specifically told creators that if they wanted their post to perform well on the platform,
00:14:57.760 they needed to post five to seven reels per week.
00:15:01.140 That's like a reel every day.
00:15:03.480 And I just didn't like the idea of trying to push myself to make a reel every day,
00:15:07.840 whether I felt like it or not, or whether I had something to say or not,
00:15:10.840 just to appease whatever Mark Zuckerberg and Adam Mosseri had arbitrarily decided
00:15:15.560 and that they could change at any moment.
00:15:18.040 I can imagine it's probably not great for the mental health of creators
00:15:21.140 who are being pushed to pump out more and more content
00:15:24.220 if they want to make an impact and be prioritized on the platform.
00:15:27.720 And it does just feel like we're all beholden to whatever new thing
00:15:30.640 Facebook and Meta decide to prioritize.
00:15:32.900 Back in the day, Instagram was just this chronological feed
00:15:35.980 that showed things like kind of an appetizing lunch or dinner meals
00:15:39.880 and cat photos.
00:15:41.560 Then in 2016, they ditched the chronological feed
00:15:44.560 in favor of the algorithmic one that we have now.
00:15:46.980 Then to compete with Snapchat, they started Stories.
00:15:49.980 And when they rolled that out,
00:15:51.340 that was where all the engagement was at.
00:15:53.180 Then there was their live streaming.
00:15:54.580 And then in 2018, they rolled out IGTV
00:15:56.880 to compete with YouTube,
00:15:58.100 which they shut down earlier this year.
00:16:00.320 And now we have Reels,
00:16:01.920 which honestly just feels like a less good clone of TikTok.
00:16:05.880 And I guess I just don't understand
00:16:07.500 what role Instagram is trying to play in my digital life.
00:16:11.080 It's trying to compete with so many things,
00:16:13.080 Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube,
00:16:14.800 and doing none of them particularly well,
00:16:17.160 even when the thing that put it on the map
00:16:18.840 was so simple, just images.
00:16:21.340 Like I said, it's just not fun.
00:16:23.260 And it's also a bummer because I used to love Instagram.
00:16:26.580 It used to be pretty fun.
00:16:28.140 Writer Jess Skolnick did a great job
00:16:29.660 of summing up how I feel about it,
00:16:30.820 saying on Twitter,
00:16:32.040 the only people who want these changes are advertisers.
00:16:34.880 Congrats on turning a simple app for sharing photos
00:16:37.120 into a dead virtual mall.
00:16:39.080 And since so many of the reels you see now
00:16:40.980 are from people that you don't follow,
00:16:42.600 have never engaged with,
00:16:43.880 and who make content about stuff
00:16:45.320 that doesn't interest you,
00:16:46.440 I really can't imagine this is an ideal situation
00:16:48.740 for creators either. 1.00
00:16:50.220 Non-binary cosplay creator Lizard Lee,
00:16:52.880 who has about 60,000 followers on Instagram,
00:16:55.260 tweeted about the platform's recommendations
00:16:56.940 being so bad that creators like them
00:16:59.240 get an influx of abuse and angry comments
00:17:01.780 from people who don't follow them,
00:17:03.600 who are furious at their content
00:17:05.440 that they don't want to see,
00:17:06.760 or even care about has been surfaced to them.
00:17:09.480 Now, Lizard Lee says that they don't blame those users
00:17:11.980 who leave those angry comments.
00:17:13.600 They blame Instagram for continuously serving up content
00:17:16.580 in what seems like a haphazard ways
00:17:19.080 to people who do not want it.
00:17:21.060 But if you're missing the chronological feed
00:17:23.120 of people that you actually follow like me,
00:17:25.080 I do have one good tip for you.
00:17:26.720 You can kind of go back to a chronological feed
00:17:29.160 of people that you intentionally follow
00:17:30.820 if you use Instagram's following tab,
00:17:33.800 which will show you posts from people that you follow
00:17:36.060 in chronological order.
00:17:37.640 Just go to your Instagram home screen
00:17:39.200 and tap the cursive Instagram logo
00:17:41.260 in the top left corner of your homepage.
00:17:43.240 Don't feel bad if you didn't know about this feature.
00:17:45.040 I didn't know about it either.
00:17:46.260 And I guess that's kind of my point.
00:17:47.920 If we're having to do so much gamifying
00:17:50.200 to make Instagram a platform that works for us
00:17:52.960 and actually provides the user experience
00:17:55.220 that we're all looking for,
00:17:56.620 isn't something wrong?
00:17:58.100 Should we need to do so much
00:17:59.540 just to get back to that simple Instagram functionality
00:18:02.200 that users say they want?
00:18:03.720 And for the head of Instagram, Adam Osseri,
00:18:05.480 to make this desperate video on Twitter about how no, no, no, no, no, we know Instagram is
00:18:10.680 terrible, but it's for your own good. Just kind of feels like the last gasp of a dying company
00:18:15.840 that doesn't know what it wants to be. Anyway, I really want to hear what you think. What is your
00:18:20.800 experience on Instagram been like? What are your thoughts on video content like Reels? Do you love
00:18:25.160 it? Do you hate it? I really want to know. Hit me up on social media. Yep, even on Instagram.
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00:19:24.300 what should have destroyed them.
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00:19:29.580 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.
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00:20:23.920 You know, I'm always searching for inspiration and useful tools to maximize joy.
00:20:29.240 Like when my friend Henry Winkler offered advice to aspiring actors and really anybody hoping to stand out.
00:20:36.280 You're not hired just to fill time and space.
00:20:39.040 You're hired to fill the space with you.
00:20:41.920 Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:20:51.600 Hey, this is Hayes Davenport.
00:20:53.460 And Sean Clemens.
00:20:54.660 We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook.
00:20:56.820 Every episode, we're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers.
00:21:02.680 The show is famously super accessible, so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes and understand what's going on.
00:21:08.820 We recommend some of our recent episodes with Ben Stiller, Danny McBride, Riz Ahmed, and Mary Steenburgen.
00:21:13.840 Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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