There Are No Girls on the Internet - December 24, 2025


Diddy was acquitted of his most serious charges. The Internet blamed a woman who had nothing to do with it.

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00:02:33.780 I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.
00:02:39.140 So if your social media feed is anything like mine, you've probably come across those posts that look like real news.
00:02:45.680 You know the ones, flashy, all-cap headlines in stark black-and-white graphics, making some explosive claim.
00:02:54.180 But they're not actually news.
00:02:57.460 Welcome to today's media landscape, where bloggers, influencers, and content creators can say just about anything.
00:03:03.980 And if it hits the right emotional nerve, it can go viral whether it's true or not.
00:03:08.920 And in the wake of the trial of rapper and entrepreneur Sean Diddy Combs, that dynamic has turned especially dangerous. 1.00
00:03:16.160 Because one of the most prominent women behind the scenes in entertainment
00:03:19.660 is now being targeted by a completely false and deeply harmful lie about Diddy's trial. 0.99
00:03:26.900 Meet Winter.
00:03:28.080 Winter got into media in the first place because she cares about the truth.
00:03:32.760 I started out, I wanted to be, I wanted to be a journalist.
00:03:36.640 Like I was, I felt like when I was born, that's what I wanted to do.
00:03:41.320 And I was I was really committed to, you know, even as a kid, writing, creating stories, writing stories and watching the news.
00:03:52.800 Linda has worked in all facets of entertainment and media.
00:03:56.280 She's been a journalist, a podcaster, a writer, a brand strategist.
00:04:00.100 Basically, if it involves media and entertainment, she has done it.
00:04:03.360 I watched the news very young because I grew up in a home where my parents were radicals.
00:04:11.520 They were, you know, watching the news to have the fundamental understanding of like what's going on and what was shaping the culture and how that would influence me.
00:04:19.580 My parents were very involved and and concerned about the future and how that would affect my sister and I as two young black girls.
00:04:27.680 I was always fascinated by people's perspective and people's reaction to trends and things that
00:04:33.900 shifted and how we reacted to it. And as I kept getting older, I kept sort of staying in this
00:04:39.520 trend of journalism. And then I realized that the internet was literally approaching so quickly.
00:04:46.060 And Bridget, when I tell you, like, you know, I don't know how old you are, but like the approach
00:04:50.180 of it as a teenager who had really been brought up and raised in a world that was very firmly
00:04:57.080 analog. It was trending towards technology. But the moment the Internet came, it definitely felt
00:05:02.700 like things just fast forwarded very quickly and supercharged. So I, you know, moved to I worked in
00:05:09.980 news here, you know, sort of taking on odd jobs and internships, not really going to school
00:05:15.580 just because I wanted to just jump into it. And I got a job at NBC when I was like 17. And then I
00:05:23.360 just completely left abandoned school after that. And then I started working at like tech TV and
00:05:28.980 radio stations and magazines. And then I moved to LA and the only, everything that I'd read about,
00:05:34.920 you know, working in entertainment was that you have to work at an agency. So I went to go work
00:05:38.800 at William Morris. That's where I moved to LA for, that's the job I moved to LA for because
00:05:43.420 in order to work in entertainment, you kind of have to have this foundational understanding of
00:05:47.000 how the business works. Did that terribly. And then I kept progressing upward into working at
00:05:52.800 magazines. Winter kind of saw where the Internet was headed as it pertains to media and celebrity
00:05:59.180 early on. So she shifted her career around it and jumped on the wave early. In 2011, I realized that
00:06:07.020 the Internet was too, the presence was looming too large. And I just said, you know, I can do
00:06:13.280 this for people. I can create news. I can push out news, distribute news and do it on behalf of a
00:06:18.800 brand instead of working for a brand that's dying and wouldn't convert. You know, Us Magazine,
00:06:24.260 OK Magazine, I loved those experiences. It was amazing working in those environments,
00:06:31.400 but they were not progressing fast enough for me in the digital space. So I had to start to just
00:06:37.820 sort of jumpstart it myself. And that's where I've been, what I've been doing now for the last 15
00:06:42.300 years is managing digital presences for celebrities and brands. I want to see a version of that
00:06:47.980 documentary, The Kid Stays in the Picture. But from your perspective of all the different stories
00:06:52.460 and entertainment, like that's how I think of you, the person who knows all about the business of
00:06:58.920 media and entertainment. It's literally it's one of those things where I'm so glad that I
00:07:06.780 stuck with it because I wasn't actually getting you get fed so many influences. Thank you,
00:07:13.180 Bridget, for those kind words. I you don't you get influenced by so many different perspectives
00:07:19.060 and like this would be seductive or this would be cool. And I realized I was like, none of that
00:07:25.020 stuff sounds cool. I like just being in this lane. I don't don't want to. You're not following this
00:07:30.940 train of thought. And I got in a lot of trouble for being in this train of thought. I got fired
00:07:36.120 from William Morris for having a blog about my, you know, 25 years ago. And now they're putting
00:07:41.580 assistants in Vanity Fair like I like you know what I mean like there's a whole blog dedicated
00:07:47.240 to being an assistant at an agency and it's like I was at the press of I literally started this and
00:07:52.880 it's so funny because people talk about this now when they see me they're like you're really ahead
00:07:57.740 of your time I was like yeah I had to take the blows for it but I was ahead of my time like and
00:08:01.980 and I think I've always been good at that being able to kind of foresee when something is shifting
00:08:07.420 And I think we're deep in that now. I think it is shifting very quickly, faster than when it shifted from analog to digital.
00:08:14.680 And I think that we have a lot of challenges ahead for us in that sense.
00:08:22.740 So I know there's probably someone listening wondering, why are they talking about entertainment media on a tech podcast?
00:08:28.660 But entertainment stories are media stories, they're tech stories, they're business stories.
00:08:33.280 Do you ever get the sense that people poo-poo all of this as celebrity gossip or just gossip more generally, even though we know that entertainment touches so many important facets and leverages stakeholders across all of these spaces?
00:08:47.520 Well, you're right. And that's kind of the reason why I was able to exist so long in it, because I wasn't like a gossip hound in that sense.
00:08:55.780 I had relationships. So when I came into the business, I already had relationships, which was a coup for them. But the one thing I can say is that, you know, getting the information that I got that built the articles that were published or reporting, a lot of that was rooted in having a business mindset about it.
00:09:18.140 looking at the business mindset, looking at the business landscape and how this would affect
00:09:22.680 X, Y, Z. And that kept me, even if I didn't have a story to publish that week, having news about
00:09:29.540 something that was happening inside of, you know, a studio decision that could affect, that would
00:09:36.440 ripple across the industry or something that is, you know, knowing that, you know, you're saying
00:09:41.660 that so-and-so might be hooking up. And it's like, that's crazy because they were filming such and
00:09:46.160 such over here with you know all these people that can't be true those were vital having the
00:09:51.760 script to something to verify that this scene takes place and this could create like a liaison
00:09:56.680 that would be interesting to to the magazine so like I think there is you know reporting that I
00:10:03.000 did always came from sourcing I sourced every single thing and I didn't get just one source
00:10:08.580 I would get three sources and people would try you know there was always a hater inside he'd be
00:10:12.900 like that's didn't I didn't hear that well I heard it from three people and they're legitimate people
00:10:17.940 and they are they're my long-term sources and my editor confirmed it so yeah like that's the
00:10:23.580 problem I think I think not having you know these people that we're talking about that we and that
00:10:29.140 I had to deal with over the last two weeks my the the saddest part of all of this is that they don't
00:10:35.920 have that experience they just don't and you simply need it they think because everybody jumps on
00:10:41.600 and blind gossip and, you know, all those other, you know, fake news, FOMO, all of them have the
00:10:49.980 ability to just jump online and start spewing stuff. You don't understand what it takes to
00:10:54.920 get things verified, which is why the blind gossip pages, you know, are constantly being taken down
00:11:02.740 because you're constantly putting out information or being threatened or being sued because you 0.74
00:11:07.740 haven't verified anything you're editorializing and making shit up it's not moral and it's and 0.80
00:11:12.720 it's not legal to be honest i'm so glad that you brought this up i think in this day and age 0.90
00:11:17.640 we have forgotten that there's a difference between entertainment journalists who know
00:11:22.160 how to fact check know how to source stuff and then people who just get on tiktok who get on
00:11:26.260 whatever instagram page they might have millions of followers and they'll just say whatever and 0.98
00:11:31.840 those are it's two different things right like yes people used to to dog on wendy williams she
00:11:37.440 knew how to fact check right like she she knew how to like you know there's a difference between 0.99
00:11:41.520 getting on tiktok and making essentially fan fiction lying right even if that goes viral
00:11:47.200 and i do think we're at a place where more and more celebrities and also everyday people who
00:11:53.340 have been defamed or lied about are taking those kinds of fabulous to court and saying hey this is
00:11:59.120 defamation you went on your youtube channel and lied about me you didn't have a source for any
00:12:03.360 of this. It's not true. I'm going to sue you and you're going to take it down. Let's be real. Our
00:12:08.160 current digital landscape has created a financial incentive for lies. And it's not just the people
00:12:13.600 who lie who profit. It's also the platforms. For instance, after rapper Cardi B won a defamation
00:12:20.600 suit against YouTuber and blogger Tasha Kay, YouTube did not automatically remove videos
00:12:26.260 even after the court deems them defamatory.
00:12:29.820 Instead, Google, YouTube's parent company,
00:12:32.860 continued to profit off of those videos
00:12:35.000 until finally sustained pressure from activists
00:12:37.920 compelled YouTube to take them down.
00:12:40.280 It should not be this difficult to take down.
00:12:42.960 I also put the blame on the platforms.
00:12:45.280 It should not be this difficult to take down content
00:12:48.100 that is not factual.
00:12:50.440 And I think this is by design.
00:12:53.640 They want it to be difficult
00:12:54.780 because they have to reap the benefits of the traffic and the engagement and all of that that
00:12:58.880 it brings, which only benefits the blogger and the platform. The person actually being harmed
00:13:03.880 has to do more work to plead their case. And I really, you know, champion like the Cardis and
00:13:09.680 the Megans in the world who are like standing on business and going, no, we're not going to be
00:13:13.880 doing that because the reality is, is that I do think we are going to get to a point when we get
00:13:18.760 out all of this madness where the lawlessness of this current administration. But I do think
00:13:23.460 because of what we're dealing with with the way that the internet is the wild west and it has to
00:13:28.980 be controlled this is kind of what the fight is about right like this is kind of what the fight
00:13:34.160 is about there is a you know billionaires who want to maintain the purity of their platforms 0.87
00:13:42.100 doing whatever the fuck that they want and we are the victims of that and i really really want to
00:13:48.540 figure out and i don't know and this could take years i could take me to my dying day figure out 0.92
00:13:53.060 how to transfer that energy into a space where we go back to a Walter Cronkite version of the
00:14:00.600 world where you could say it, but you need to prove it. And there was something so beautiful
00:14:07.300 in the proof of things. I think Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite and Ed Bradley and all these
00:14:13.240 people, there was something so beautiful in proving that they got this. And that is the
00:14:19.400 thing that i don't think um there's an automatic reward in getting 50 000 likes on a post right
00:14:25.960 you just that's that you're rewarded monetarily you're rewarded with with ego but there you will
00:14:31.780 never know the purity of getting breaking a piece of news and seeing something that tumbles into a
00:14:39.720 cover of a magazine or a or a headline that trance that transfers uh travels far and wide
00:14:46.740 you will never feel that joy because there will always be a part of you in the back of your head
00:14:51.880 going, I didn't, I just kind of guessed it. And that is just simply not how I ever operated or
00:15:00.540 would operate, to be honest, which is why I correct so many people online, even if they get
00:15:05.000 mad and want to call me names and stuff. I don't get shit. One of the names that Winter is being 0.99
00:15:10.800 called on the internet right now is that she was a juror on Diddy's trafficking trial. It is not
00:15:16.040 true, but we will get into why
00:15:18.000 the internet thinks it is after a
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00:16:31.980 I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them.
00:16:38.500 I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files.
00:16:42.100 I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, 0.96
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00:18:26.300 Hey, this is Hayes Davenport.
00:18:27.900 And Sean Clemens.
00:18:29.080 We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook.
00:18:31.260 Every episode, we're trying to help our guests improve their careers
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00:18:37.060 The show is famously super accessible,
00:18:38.520 so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes
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00:18:45.680 The definition of what is a movie has kind of changed anyway, too, right?
00:18:49.120 What do you think it is now?
00:18:49.940 it's images and words being spoken captured by some sort of uh technology danny mcbride
00:18:57.540 oh that's fantastic and you make it on you make your own that's great i call him tarot reed
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00:19:19.900 She was prominent around the same time.
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00:19:23.200 Why are you guys talking to me like,
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00:19:46.940 At our back.
00:19:49.120 You probably know by now that musician and entrepreneur Sean P. Diddy Combs
00:19:53.740 was arrested and facing pretty serious allegations from sex trafficking to forced labor.
00:19:59.820 After a lengthy trial, he was only found guilty of much lesser charges
00:20:04.200 involving transporting people across state lines for sexual encounters.
00:20:08.320 In a Netflix documentary called Sean Combs, The Reckoning,
00:20:12.080 directed by Alexandria Stapleton, an executive produced by one of Diddy's biggest haters,
00:20:16.580 rapper 50 Cent, attempts to map out a portrait of Combs' alleged pattern of abuse and misconduct
00:20:22.300 over several decades. And one moment from the film quickly caught the internet's attention,
00:20:28.400 an interview with juror number 160, a Black woman who openly spoke about growing up on music
00:20:34.480 associated with Diddy's career. In the interview, juror number 160 described being aware of Diddy's
00:20:40.620 celebrity presence in the courtroom and even recalled moments of eye contact, what she framed
00:20:46.140 Desh shared, can you believe this, reactions with Diddy as he sat on trial listening to women
00:20:51.260 testify about their experiences with him. Although jurors are expected to remain impartial,
00:20:56.460 the implication was hard to ignore. To many viewers, juror number 160 did not come across
00:21:02.680 as a neutral observer, but as someone visibly influenced by Diddy's fame. Online, juror number
00:21:09.660 160 quickly became a symbol of how powerful men like Diddy skirt accountability for so long,
00:21:15.680 aided by admiration, proximity, and celebrity culture.
00:21:19.740 Now, you might be wondering,
00:21:21.500 okay, but what does any of this have to do with Winter? 0.87
00:21:24.440 The answer is nothing, not a damn thing.
00:21:28.180 But after Winter recently shared an old photo of herself with Diddy on social media,
00:21:34.240 internet sleuths wrongly decided that she must be juror number 160
00:21:39.000 and that that photo she innocently shared
00:21:41.840 was just another example of the way that Dura No. 160 was a longtime Diddy fan.
00:21:47.820 And just like that, Winter found herself at the center of a harassment campaign
00:21:52.180 over a trial she had absolutely nothing to do with.
00:21:56.780 So let's talk about this because you are at the center,
00:22:02.020 frankly, like a very wild campaign of lies online,
00:22:06.620 where some folks have decided that you were a juror in the Sean Diddy Combs trial,
00:22:13.820 that you were juror number 160.
00:22:15.760 So walk me through how you first realized that this was a narrative starting online about you.
00:22:20.620 I think there was one poster where he posted it and was just like really defiantly not.
00:22:28.740 A couple of people took it down in the beginning and I posted the photo of me.
00:22:34.960 And so first, I want to clear this up.
00:22:36.620 I post the photo of me and Diddy because I was talking about in my stories how I and I will send you a screenshot of that, how I how it was an underwhelming experience.
00:22:47.940 And it kind of was before that experience had happened.
00:22:52.040 I'd interviewed to work at Bad Boy when I was in like 17.
00:22:55.500 One of the many reasons why the claim that Winter would have been chosen as a juror on Diddy's trial makes no sense is that Winter actually interviewed to work for Diddy's record label, Bad Boy Entertainment, when she was just starting out.
00:23:09.200 She remembers how odd the interview was.
00:23:11.800 She was expecting to meet Diddy at an office, but instead, she was asked to meet with Diddy at Justin's, a soul food restaurant that Diddy owned in New York City.
00:23:21.060 thank god that fell apart and thank god it was a really awful weird awkward experience where i
00:23:28.360 definitely was being like i don't want to say groomed to do something but it wasn't an a typical
00:23:33.520 thing it wasn't like other entrances where you they bring you into the office and they're like
00:23:37.800 hey and like these are the people and this is where you work usually when you're interviewing
00:23:41.180 for an internship they kind of give you the back then they give you the lay of the land and what
00:23:45.960 your experience could be like and then you're excited and you want to do it and work for free
00:23:50.080 and and this was much more like um meet us at this restaurant and meet us over you know do
00:23:58.240 yeah like like it was Justin's by the way uh meet us at this restaurant it was very like
00:24:03.340 it was it was just a very not professional situation so you know I didn't really care
00:24:08.580 and I didn't think much more of it after that because I was underwhelmed and then to meet
00:24:12.860 to I interviewed Diddy at at the 2009 BET Awards when I was working I feel like okay or us I can't
00:24:19.520 remember. And, and I remember just being like, what an underwhelming person, this outsized
00:24:25.600 personality. And I, and, and that's why it's so funny in the documentary, they talk about how he
00:24:30.180 actually interacts with African-Americans. And I'm like, yeah, that's the sense. It's like he
00:24:34.380 had to be there because he is a black entertainer, but did he want to be around all these black 1.00
00:24:40.700 people? Not necessarily. And, and, and that was the, and you got that sense. You, I don't want 1.00
00:24:46.260 to again i'm not going to put uh words or thoughts into what diddy might have been thinking at the
00:24:52.700 time but i can say that it was an underwhelming experience that's not even the last time i saw
00:24:56.460 him i saw him again at a concert and backstage and again and this was closer to all of this
00:25:03.040 stuff falling apart so this is when i definitely think he knew somebody was coming and you want
00:25:08.140 to talk about underwhelming in 2009 it was even more hilarious to watch a man who was under
00:25:13.760 who is who is knows that the feds are watching and i'm like saying to myself you know like all 0.97
00:25:22.360 that bravado all that bravado all that you know you know king of new york shit and he's literally 0.97
00:25:30.700 backstage in a very secured area and looking around and and and can't stand still so like 0.98
00:25:36.800 i always just felt like you know part of my job is being in front of a lot of big personalities
00:25:43.140 like this and you can't help but observe and he's one of the ones where the energy was always dark
00:25:47.840 so so i post the photo i should have given more context that is the one mistake that i think that
00:25:53.720 i made and i i i suddenly wake up the next day i didn't think much of it that day i was like just
00:26:00.940 take it down then the next day i it's just like further and then i started this is when i knew it
00:26:05.420 was bad i'm hearing from people i haven't spoken to since elementary school i'm hearing people from
00:26:10.820 people that I, you know, family members, my parents, like my sister, like I'm hearing from
00:26:16.920 people that don't typically like it has traveled far and wide. So now I'm getting pissed because
00:26:23.380 now it's like, I know that I'm, I'm, I work on the internet and I know if they're hearing about it,
00:26:29.500 then everybody is going to hear about it shortly. Right. And I know that it's traveled
00:26:34.600 further than just the threads. It's now gone from threads to, you know, TikTok to Instagram to
00:26:42.000 Facebook to Twitter. And that is when I got really mad because it was already proven within that day
00:26:50.940 that I am not her. I'd already said it. And yet they kept saying it. And then I kept saying to
00:26:56.860 myself, how do you think that? Why would you think that I would not say I am that person and that it
00:27:03.140 wouldn't have already been reported it would not it would have already been pushed out through
00:27:07.400 uh larger platforms you know uh verified news outlets the tmz's the peoples and then i said
00:27:14.300 they're not going to cover it and that also kind of made me mad because i can't get them to i have
00:27:20.040 friends on all these places i can't get them to report a fake news story and say that it's true
00:27:25.120 because I, A, I don't want it further out and B, it's, I shouldn't have to do that. I shouldn't
00:27:33.280 have to do it. My word should be bond and it didn't matter. And what upset me the most is
00:27:39.660 that it was mostly black bloggers. It was mostly black bloggers. It wasn't like, you know, MAGA, 1.00
00:27:47.080 this was not a MAGA hit job. It was mostly black bloggers. So instead of taking me by my word 0.59
00:27:53.400 using google you can google me and see that this is this is my look this is my look this is you
00:28:00.960 know it's on i'm i'm my instagram page is public you know my threads you could read down threads
00:28:06.380 and see me talking no research no nothing just i'm gonna go with this and very defiantly so 0.99
00:28:15.800 and i was i just feel bad for them i i feel bad for them like i have pity because they're so stupid 0.99
00:28:21.020 and also so manipulative that they would rather be wrong for clicks than be right and that's 0.99
00:28:28.660 going to be the that's going to be their entire like that's going to be their entire like brand
00:28:34.000 you know they don't realize that that's actually just a detriment to their growth you can't just 0.61
00:28:39.340 walk away from lying about shit um and then and some of these people want to be comedians and 0.91
00:28:45.800 and and and and and stand do stand up and movies like that it's like I work in this business 0.97
00:28:51.980 if I see you I'll say something so like you don't understand how small it is I'll never forget their
00:28:59.080 faces I'll never forget their names I have like saved everything I don't know when I'm gonna
00:29:04.140 strike that's the other thing I have a business so I don't know when I'm gonna strike Bridget I
00:29:10.120 might wake up tomorrow and and just strike you never know that's the that would make me nervous
00:29:15.900 but they're going to be defiant and think what they want yeah this first of all this could not
00:29:21.920 have happened there's almost an irony to it because not that it should be happening to anybody
00:29:26.680 but this could not have happened to like a more visible more connected kind of person so i find
00:29:32.960 that very i don't know it's just like nobody should have to go through it but of all the people
00:29:38.920 to pick to target in this way you I find yeah there's almost an irony to it I guess is what
00:29:45.300 I'm saying it's an irony to it but it's also not surprising and not the most extreme thing that's
00:29:50.060 ever happened to me which is why I was able to deal with it I was annoyed for sure I was pissed
00:29:54.480 but I was able to deal with it because I have dealt with worse this is not the most extreme
00:29:58.720 thing that's ever happened to me and it's also not the most extreme thing I've ever had to work
00:30:04.760 with in the workplace. I've worked with people that have had really intense scenarios happen
00:30:08.680 and I have worked, helped support them in working through it. And I've watched it. And I also know
00:30:13.520 that these things died down. Unfortunately, we've had some really horrible things happen since.
00:30:17.640 So the importance of it, at least in my frame of reference, is no longer where it was. But I think
00:30:24.120 that, you know, a combination of all of these things that are happening and all this stuff
00:30:29.600 that happens and the way the internet reacts to news is a thing that's up for debate that I wish
00:30:36.220 there was someone who can kind of step in and we don't have you know the credibility of news
00:30:42.500 organizations every single news organization whether they're you're on their side or not
00:30:46.380 are corrupted and it's just hard to know who to lean on you know that would actually support
00:30:54.700 some preservation of accuracy and in news reporting.
00:31:00.740 I mean, I just think that it's becoming a bygone era, unfortunately.
00:31:04.500 Diddy's trial was a huge story.
00:31:06.760 It was all over the news, all over the media.
00:31:09.060 If a juror in that trial had been credibly proven to have had this level of prior relationship
00:31:14.200 with Diddy where they had been photographed together and met, don't you think media outlets
00:31:18.880 would have covered it and followed up on it?
00:31:20.780 It's like the people who believe this and that are spreading this online, they're not willing to engage critically with this at all because that's how much they need for this story to be true.
00:31:32.000 There's kind of another weird dynamic happening here, too, because the people who are smearing and lying about Winter are doing it to support this broader claim that Diddy got a light sentence because the jury was full of people who liked him or who were dazzled by his celebrity.
00:31:47.700 And look, I need to say, I hate Diddy.
00:31:50.920 I've hated him for a really long time, even before all of this.
00:31:54.560 So I obviously don't disagree with this instinct to interrogate power and celebrity.
00:31:59.960 But I found myself in this bizarre position,
00:32:02.460 arguing with people who are spreading outright lies about someone,
00:32:06.080 an incredibly talented Black woman like Winter, no less,
00:32:08.920 who didn't do anything wrong in service of something I ostensibly should agree with, 1.00
00:32:14.520 that Diddy did get too light of a sentence.
00:32:16.800 and that his celebrity probably did impact that.
00:32:19.800 And it really just clicked for me
00:32:21.420 why we cannot tolerate lies or disinformation,
00:32:24.620 even when they're deployed in service of things
00:32:26.960 we kind of agree with.
00:32:28.340 Because not only do they poison the argument,
00:32:30.800 they end up targeting people
00:32:32.060 who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
00:32:34.940 So where did I work out all these feelings?
00:32:38.080 On Reddit, of course,
00:32:40.080 where I became a one-woman army
00:32:42.320 trying to correct the record.
00:32:44.380 Winter was there too,
00:32:45.400 trying to clear her name it's funny because you and i cross paths and it's the most cringy thing
00:32:52.240 that happens when it's like oh this was me on reddit i when i saw this taking off on reddit i
00:32:56.480 was like i am personally going to reply to every comment that's pushing a lie and people's replies
00:33:02.020 though it's so we're insane yeah it's like it's because did he like it's like the i guess it
00:33:10.020 really reveals conspiratorial thinking because the fact that nobody was writing about it to them
00:33:15.900 became evidence of its truth like oh well that shows how good she is at like controlling the 0.97
00:33:21.580 media and i'm thinking what the fuck are you talking about like you can google her you can 0.94
00:33:26.300 look at her public profile how like do you think that she has somehow tricked google into faking 0.99
00:33:32.460 this stuff yeah you know what i'm saying like that like yeah it's crazy making to try to to
00:33:37.460 to get through to some of these people yes they weren't trying to hear it even when i jumped in
00:33:43.160 there in a throwaway they were like so you know how to screenshot i was like are you i posted
00:33:48.520 the response and the reply and and into this within seconds do you think that there's like
00:33:54.340 some you know uh um minority report tom cruise thing happening where i'm able to with my mind
00:34:02.800 transfer you're delusional and crazy that's when i just started saying to myself oh my god this is
00:34:07.400 nuts and oh my god this is nuts because then my other main concern was like my client seeing it 0.97
00:34:13.840 and I think when every single one of them called me and made fun of me and
00:34:21.260 every single one of them called me and made fun of me about this and that literally made me feel
00:34:31.920 so much better about it because they have all been criticized and had lies about them and had
00:34:37.740 things made up in papers and covers and and narratives and have run them off the internet
00:34:42.740 and got them back so so i i was like okay so this is to me like some initiation period this is like
00:34:51.300 some hazing for something bigger and and and i have to treat it like that because i think once
00:34:56.840 people did start googling me they did start thinking that like you just said that i was a
00:35:03.300 plant and i was a perfect i was a perfect victim in all of this and it's like i've been in california
00:35:09.640 my whole life i don't sound like her at all um i don't think a juror would treat me trying to
00:35:18.440 i don't know many jurors honestly i can't really think of one that has tried to capitalize off
00:35:24.840 anything beyond being in a documentary i don't know i don't see jurors selling like you know
00:35:29.180 juror merchandise and no i i just don't think that that is there's no there's no runway for that so
00:35:36.360 i don't know why i would implode my entire business over that i also would never serve jury duty
00:35:42.500 that's a little exclusive for you sorry i just don't have i gotten the notices you'll never know
00:35:50.340 i don't i just don't i won't you know what i mean like i can't yeah they also they can't prove if
00:35:57.480 they don't send it certified mail they can't prove that you actually got it that's a little
00:36:01.160 tip exactly they can't know what you will but they can't prove it they can't prove you can't
00:36:05.140 prove it they can't prove i got it they can't prove i got it i you know it's not like i don't
00:36:10.240 care about the judicial system but again i will say the conspiracy theorist in me is that everything
00:36:15.680 is corrupted so what is my what what what what does me spending 14 to 30 days getting paid five
00:36:23.580 bucks a day which is honestly not even and it means anything because the parking is 14 a day
00:36:29.080 so I'm actually paying into my misery no fucking way that's not that actually is absurd um so I
00:36:37.140 won't be doing that and so that's just like there were so many things about it that it was like I 0.93
00:36:41.500 would never do this i would never serve in a jury i would never if i did serve in a jury go in a
00:36:46.760 documentary and talk about serving on the jury there's just things that i wouldn't do and this
00:36:50.460 is one of them i would just not do that but i also just am not that person also yeah i mean you would
00:36:57.720 know if you had bet that's i mean that's the thing there isn't i don't feel like watching you interact
00:37:02.740 in that thread on reddit there's nothing that you could say that would make these people believe the
00:37:08.640 truth you could you could you could have a document that was like winter was in a coma during the
00:37:15.660 trial here's that information and they would still figure something out to say like why it's so there
00:37:21.640 is there's almost no sense of trying to correct the record it's just you just have to get it taken
00:37:27.400 down there's no there's no there's nothing you could say there's nothing you can say no and
00:37:32.320 that's kind of like you know it's interesting we're talking about this because it's happening 0.75
00:37:36.740 now in the rob reiner situation which is horrible horrible horrible horrible and there's this race
00:37:42.980 to be first and i learned a lot about this before it became public because of my circle and there
00:37:52.600 was no desire for me to race to to to correct records or it's not my story to tell it's not
00:37:59.240 my story to share and it's actually really brutal and horrible what happened so and that's not my
00:38:03.660 brand. I don't need to, you know, leave that for the Yashara Ali's and stuff like that. Like I'm
00:38:08.240 not the one to be first to the, to the, the, the record on something. I don't care. I'm not a
00:38:15.600 journalist anymore. And that's not my brand. My brand online is just being a conversationalist,
00:38:21.400 a critique of things that are interest to me, you know, uh, uh, uh, and being a commentator,
00:38:28.440 but I am not a journalist. And that is the problem, Bridget, is that there's a difference
00:38:32.480 between commentating and actually reporting news and me having a comment on something is I recognize
00:38:40.620 that some people will take it as as fact and everything like that so it is my responsibility
00:38:44.720 to be accurate in what I say right and and correct my record if I'm wrong but I am not a journalist
00:38:52.000 which is why I take you know I pull journalists a lot from my bios because I just you know I was
00:38:57.340 And I say former, but I'm not currently. So I'm not going to you know, I don't want I want people to know the difference between it.
00:39:04.480 I think the word journalism has lost all meaning because of shit like this. 0.99
00:39:08.880 And I fully blame it squarely on on Trump, on Trump. 0.99
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00:42:44.240 kind of changed anyway too right what do you think it is now it's images and words being spoken
00:42:50.060 captured by some sort of uh technology danny mcbride he loves oh that's fantastic and you
00:42:56.780 make it on you make your own that's great i call him tarot reed
00:43:00.600 it's a good name they're all named after cast members of american pie yeah i call i don't
00:43:08.600 i never looked up if she was in this but i call him leechy sobieski yeah i don't think she was an
00:43:13.940 american pie but i still haven't looked it up she was prominent around the same time yeah then
00:43:19.060 mary steenburgen why are you guys talking to me like i'm worried why are you talking so down to
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00:43:43.940 Let's get right back into it.
00:43:46.700 When you look at who is sitting in the White House press briefing room, it's we it's no it's there are some journalists there still.
00:43:53.960 But now it's it's the Tim Pools of the world.
00:43:56.020 It's people who are podcasters, bloggers.
00:43:58.800 And I do think we've just completely conflated and blown up what these different roles are.
00:44:04.700 If you're an influencer or a contact grader, no, like no shade.
00:44:08.680 We I think that those are voices are can be very important and very useful.
00:44:11.880 But that's different than somebody who's a journalist. And I just think that we have stopped asking those questions about who is who. And we've all just decided it's all one in the same when it's not.
00:44:21.300 it's not being a content creator is not journalism when i when i was a kid and i was working in these
00:44:28.900 internships and i wanted to you know make news i was you know they they they i got the hard
00:44:37.080 questions asked to me i got stuff killed you know things they would kill certain stories so they
00:44:42.780 didn't have any juice or it had no merit or it didn't make any any it didn't make sense it didn't
00:44:48.060 it didn't come together the way they wanted. And that was part of the learning. That was part of
00:44:52.540 the learning of knowing what is the news, what's news here, having an editor say, so what's the
00:44:56.840 news? What here is of interest? And then the first story I broke, the first story I broke
00:45:03.640 when I was 18 years old was Courtney Cox and David Arquette getting married in San Francisco
00:45:10.060 for Kron. It was the kicker at the end of the newscast. And I stood there having already now
00:45:15.760 been through all of this training with some of the report journalists and reporters and anchors
00:45:20.640 I grew up watching from the time I was a baby I my the this is a perfect example I was at the
00:45:27.280 Nordstrom uh counter and and down in San Francisco Center on Market Street getting some makeup and
00:45:35.120 because I was working in a professional setting and I was just I was like I need to step my makeup
00:45:38.680 up. So I was getting color matched and, um, I go, I love this brand. And the makeup artist goes,
00:45:46.360 you know, everybody loves his brain. You know, who was in here yesterday, Courtney Cox.
00:45:49.500 And I was like, Oh my God, I love her. And he's like, she's like, yeah, she's getting married at,
00:45:53.400 um, uh, I forget the church. She's getting married, uh, here tomorrow and, and her makeup
00:45:59.020 artists and her were here like doing color matches and swatches. That's a tip. So then I 0.94
00:46:05.480 start calling everybody that I know in the that I know at the news station and saying like who like
00:46:12.300 the assignment desk editor and and and my mentor and I go okay I got a tip and they were like
00:46:18.020 they're covering hard news they were like go report it go report it go report it out so I
00:46:24.760 couldn't call the church and say hey is Courtney Cox and David Arquette getting married there today
00:46:29.560 and that wouldn't have worked so what did I do I I went to the assignment desk and say I need a
00:46:34.980 camera. I need a, I need a cameraman. And I'm, we're going to stand out in Grace Cathedral.
00:46:40.060 We're going to stand in front of Grace Cathedral all day. Stood in front of Grace Cathedral. And
00:46:43.740 I remember thinking, if this doesn't come together, because there was nothing, there was
00:46:47.240 no activity happening. There was no activity happening, Bridget. We were standing there.
00:46:51.880 The sun's also about to go down. And the next thing I see another camera come up. And then I
00:46:56.740 see another camera come up and it's at the other news stations. Cause they also too got the tip
00:47:01.340 and or got a tip somehow and then the next thing you know here comes these suvs and it's brad pitt 0.97
00:47:07.860 and jennifer aniston and you know lisa kudrow and every and everybody's coming and the archettes
00:47:13.600 and we got like 10 seconds of a video of everybody got brad pitt waving and and walking into the the
00:47:21.240 the church and i they i reported i sent my script in the anchor reported and i'm getting emotional
00:47:28.360 because that was the best day of my life.
00:47:30.000 That's when I said, I know I can do this.
00:47:32.120 I know I can do this.
00:47:34.200 What did that feel like?
00:47:35.120 Like, what did it feel like for young Winter
00:47:37.040 being the first one who having,
00:47:40.040 knowing to follow up on that tip
00:47:41.580 from a girl you're buying makeup from
00:47:43.200 and then that becomes a big story.
00:47:45.140 What did that feel like?
00:47:46.480 It felt incredible.
00:47:48.920 I felt really, I taped it.
00:47:50.720 I remember I taped the newscast that night
00:47:52.700 and watched it for days.
00:47:55.460 VHS, pressed play for days
00:47:57.500 because I couldn't believe, I remember the anchor who did it.
00:48:00.940 I'm going to get so emotional.
00:48:02.600 He turned to me and he's like, that was a good job.
00:48:04.260 You did a great job after the newscast.
00:48:07.280 And I just thought, I can do this.
00:48:10.540 I have a nose for news.
00:48:13.380 People trust.
00:48:13.960 I have a trusting face.
00:48:15.080 Charlie Sheen told me that.
00:48:16.260 You have a trusting face.
00:48:18.420 And I know how to get people to disarm themselves
00:48:24.360 and kind of give me info.
00:48:25.520 and I know what to do with it and how to be responsible.
00:48:28.460 I sit on a throne of tea.
00:48:30.480 There's certain things I would tell somebody
00:48:31.940 and there's certain things I would never,
00:48:35.100 that nobody will ever hear from me.
00:48:37.020 But I knew exactly what to sort of,
00:48:40.080 what I think was the story.
00:48:41.540 In entertainment, you kind of just need the story.
00:48:43.400 You don't need the whole like landscape and da-da-da.
00:48:46.960 And some you do.
00:48:48.000 I think when you're reporting on news and politics,
00:48:50.380 you need to get, what did the room feel like? 0.72
00:48:52.220 What did the da-da-da feel like?
00:48:53.120 When you're talking about a long form magazine, 0.80
00:48:55.240 You do need to know it was she was sitting by the pool. She had a sad look on her face after reading her phone. But if it's tabloid journalism, they just want like boom, boom, boom. And when I worked at us, that was like the it was trailing off. But that was like the era of like really good, fun, juicy, scoopy stuff. And now it's just it's not their fault.
00:49:17.200 One of my good friends is the editor-in-chief of Us, and it's not his fault. It is just the way the world has gone. People like me have disrupted this space because my clients don't need to talk to us. They can just post it, that they're having a baby. They can just post that they're getting a divorce. They can just post that they're starting a new show. They don't really need to deal with them for that kind of information.
00:49:41.120 Yes, but it does sort of make me sad that we live in a culture and a media climate where what you just described of having a nose for news, sniffing something out, it coming together, getting the attaboy or attagirl from, you know, a higher up.
00:49:59.400 people who get on the internet and just make shit up will never have that they'll never know that
00:50:03.820 they'll never know what that feels like to actually do reporting to get something pretty 0.87
00:50:08.920 juicy out there and have the receipts and the proof to back it up they won't and they've actually
00:50:14.740 flooded the market so much that is diluted when it does happen um you know i don't it's that's why
00:50:21.280 i got out when i got out because i saw it i saw that it was becoming a kardashianified way of
00:50:27.780 entering this space when I wanted to do the Oprah version of this space and it just wasn't going to
00:50:34.340 happen. I didn't see a runway for it. I didn't see a world where this was going to become
00:50:41.360 a situation that wasn't going to be like, you know, chili out of a pot. There's no way to get
00:50:49.140 all the chili back into the pot there. It's just corrupted. And I feel that way. I hate it because
00:50:54.760 I work with these platforms and I don't trust these platforms. I don't trust Instagram. They
00:50:59.960 lie to us all the time. They lie to my clients. I remember one of my clients was at the Paris
00:51:04.800 Olympics, was posting on the Paris Olympics, had posted the opening ceremony because she was there
00:51:11.700 and they took down her content. And we kept saying, why did you take down her content? Why
00:51:16.600 did you take down her content? She was in Paris, goes to Paris every year. It's documented on our
00:51:21.080 page she is a big celebrity Emmy winning all the stuff uh they would not answer us finally I said
00:51:27.320 I need an answer right now because we are asking questions or somebody above me is gonna like her
00:51:31.540 attorney's gonna ask NBC took the content down so NBC has more say in what someone's lived experience
00:51:40.080 in this moment this spectacular moment NBC can decide and you weren't going to tell us for weeks
00:51:46.340 until we told you, you better tell us before we get our internities involved. What the fuck is 0.99
00:51:51.580 wrong with them? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? If you don't have the infrastructure 1.00
00:51:57.980 to deal and work with, especially talent of this caliber and say, hey, sorry, we had to take this
00:52:03.840 down. Here's why NBC decided. No, they disabled her account and made it made it so we couldn't
00:52:10.980 post anything for three days. So you're disrupting her flow of business because your flow of business
00:52:15.960 is so imbalanced and disorganized.
00:52:20.260 You know what I mean?
00:52:20.720 Like, and that's to me,
00:52:21.680 the disrespect of the internet is just pervasive.
00:52:24.500 It's not just calling me Jura 160, 1.00
00:52:26.420 which fuck all those people. 1.00
00:52:28.100 They're all idiots, undereducated, stupid, 1.00
00:52:30.840 and really, really, really cruising for a bruising. 1.00
00:52:33.720 We are so close to some of these people
00:52:36.740 getting into serious trouble, losing their livelihoods.
00:52:40.320 I would never play that game.
00:52:42.340 I would never play that game.
00:52:43.780 And I think that because there's no regulations
00:52:45.840 and rules around it or there's no uh uh uh systems that are to support you know things being accurate
00:52:53.060 i think that we will see something like that in the very near future yeah and i think that's the
00:52:58.700 thing is like it's really not a game this is people's real lives people's real livelihood
00:53:03.300 and i agree with you i think we have gotten close i will never know how close we have gotten to
00:53:10.140 things really escalating but like people have been sued and like lost their entire livelihood
00:53:14.780 are going to be paying restitution for the rest of their lives because of stuff they got on the
00:53:19.660 internet and said and i don't think people really truly understand the stakes here and i think as
00:53:25.800 you said that the the media climate that we live in where everybody's thirsting to be first
00:53:29.820 we have replaced things like proof with engagement and vibes and and whether or not something gets a
00:53:36.800 lot of likes and travels far and wide you know um and i do wonder i don't even know how to ask this
00:53:42.440 But, you know, I wonder if what's happening with these lies about you being Juror 160 kind of mirrors this dynamic more generally, like the film, the Netflix documentary, The Reckoning.
00:53:53.620 I think that there are people who like want to hear the stories of survivors and victims.
00:53:58.160 Right. But then there are people who just want drama.
00:54:00.500 They just want 50 Cent versus Diddy Juicy feud on screen. 0.98
00:54:03.620 And so I think that like, we just see a lot of Black women kind of becoming collateral damage for the sake of the hunger for a juicy story, right? And so I don't think people see you or some of the women who shared their stories or people that shared their stories in the documentary, I don't necessarily know if they see them as real people who have real lives, if it is in service of like this larger juicy story that they just want to be told. Does that make sense? 0.73
00:54:33.620 I think it's also just a maybe the storytelling wasn't maybe the storytelling.
00:54:41.140 The story, look, the documentary was definitely manipulated to fit a narrative in that way.
00:54:47.140 And and it was designed to be like.
00:54:51.820 Tawdry and juicy.
00:54:53.060 I mean, my jaw was on the floor most of the time, my jaw was on the floor most of the time.
00:54:56.760 And even, you know, there were a lot of things I obviously knew, you know, about the creation of Bad Boy and how he came to be.
00:55:03.020 And I knew all that stuff from just having grown up in it. But like, do we ever get, you know, I watched a documentary about she saying goodbye horses, Hugh Lazarus.
00:55:17.440 And that was, to me, one of the first times I'd ever seen a documentary frame a black woman and all of her, the good, the bad, the ugly, in a way that felt well-rounded and felt like a beautiful picture of a woman just trying.
00:55:34.940 And I don't think that it's interesting to it's I noticed that it stopped being interesting for people once they saw my page, once I let people because I privated my page to figure out how I'm going to respond to this.
00:55:48.580 And then I put up a series of stories and the stories sort of basically explain that I wrote an essay and then explain like there's no way I live here and there's no way I was there on the day that the decision was made because I was in Ojai and there was no way I was at this other thing because I was in Denver giving a speech.
00:56:10.180 and so like I was if I were a juror I would have been a bad juror because I was never around
00:56:16.320 um but I think that it's more it got boring for them when I was just they were like oh
00:56:24.300 I think there's two things about a bridge I think it got boring for them when they realized I wasn't
00:56:28.840 going to stop saying I'm not that person and then it got annoying for them when they realized that 0.96
00:56:33.660 I am literally a fucking bad bitch so there's like it's you know what I mean so it's like 0.97
00:56:39.160 oh you know it just it just became like a snore for them and I was like I'm glad that everybody 0.99
00:56:43.760 like a lot but but what it did is it for me to respond that that manner is like I had to just
00:56:49.240 reinforce the narrative that I was not her and that I also have a lot going on that's really
00:56:56.340 fucking cool that you could talk about that is not this and you don't have to but you can you 0.94
00:57:02.380 but you do have to stop saying that i'm her and and no shade to her um she's she's just goofy 0.98
00:57:10.540 but also assuming that i'd be as goofy as her when i literally am like the least goofy bitch around 0.97
00:57:18.120 in that sense it's like that's also insulting you're insulting my intelligence you're insulting 0.93
00:57:24.180 my intelligence i would i you know what i mean that's why i'm saying i could never have been on
00:57:28.020 that jury because there's just nothing there's no there there for me I have no poker face I would
00:57:34.020 have been mean I would have been like like every every time something got revealed I'm like I just
00:57:39.520 don't have a poker face I'm also too deep in the in the business to have been able to be objective
00:57:45.020 about anything I just couldn't I've worked for one of his ex-girlfriends like I cannot be objective
00:57:50.800 I don't there's objectivity there just would it would never work gosh I have to this is a little
00:57:56.780 bit of a side note speaking of all the bad bitchery that you do and and encompass in your life
00:58:02.580 people don't understand you have a picture wearing the daft punk helmets that is like i have told i 1.00
00:58:08.980 was just talking to my cousin at a bar over the weekend and i was like you don't understand what 0.99
00:58:13.760 that fucking means like shit like that people really need to understand i didn't know that 0.98
00:58:19.440 that would be like such a big deal and that's probably why he was like my friend who owns the 0.99
00:58:24.460 helmet I he just he owns one of the helmets he used to be a music executive at Disney he was I'm
00:58:30.640 sure he was like he knew that but I'm so glad that it's been like I don't know how long I think it's
00:58:36.360 been like 17 years since I took that picture I'm so glad that he told me never to post it because
00:58:43.500 it means more now to me Bridget than it meant when when I first took it because that is some
00:58:50.060 iconic shit you just don't see Daft Punk helmet in a Diane von Furstenberg rap dress just like 0.51
00:58:55.640 just like or Spanx dress or whatever it was just sitting in the Hollywood Hills I mean that is 0.99
00:59:01.660 literally my life how I could never be juror 160 she could never be me like that just that's my 0.69
00:59:08.280 life it's like the Forrest Gumpiest of all the shit is a lot of these moments to be honest and
00:59:15.440 that's what's annoying me too is like I don't know that I can post more pictures because of 0.97
00:59:20.140 these clowns they're going to take this picture and you know start making like fan fiction about
00:59:24.340 other pictures of me and other people I don't think so but it's just like you know they ruined 0.99
00:59:29.320 that that that so now I have to write a book so they can just be in a book and so I can fucking
00:59:35.100 read it yes I know you're you're like one of many I really need to get on that yes get on that
00:59:42.300 i appreciate everybody who has been vocal and saying that it's not me and just you know direct
00:59:49.860 them to my instagram they'll all will be revealed there my entire i've made a highlight this is so
00:59:55.720 pathetic i made a highlight of not the juror is the name of the highlight and i had to because
01:00:03.320 i was like i don't want this on my feed this is crazy and i also just wanted it to be there to
01:00:10.100 to set it and forget it you know because i also didn't want this the one thing i will say is i
01:00:16.320 did not want this to dominate my holiday i did not want this to dominate the conversations i'm
01:00:22.040 having with people i just didn't want to talk about it anymore um because i really don't think
01:00:28.880 that this story you know is i have crazier stories and and i don't want that to be defined by this
01:00:38.160 And I don't think I will be. But I also didn't want there to an assumption that I would take clout for it.
01:00:44.840 Like the guy who the guy who dresses up as Michael Jackson and modified his face as Michael Jackson and was upset and critiquing the Michael Jackson trailer is looking for clout.
01:00:56.740 Like that is a person who needs to have a conversation with someone about that.
01:01:01.820 that's not me I'm not going to start finding a way to turn this I don't need this to turn this
01:01:08.640 into currency for anything that's the other thing I think is annoying is like one of these bloggers
01:01:13.300 was like I will be able to go on a cruise with this post and I was like a cruise that's so sad 0.97
01:01:20.100 like that is really you needed to tear somebody down for a cruise you're pathetic like I would 0.96
01:01:27.520 a never be on a cruise just another list of laundry list of things I will not do and that's 0.97
01:01:32.580 jury duty cruises you know I have taste I don't like that's really weird and and just you know
01:01:42.000 just at winter on instagram just at them and say that's not her if you choose to you also could
01:01:47.760 just not engage they don't need the engagement they don't need any of this reinforcement they
01:01:53.360 don't need anything. They need to get lives for sure, but they don't need, you know, they don't
01:01:58.640 need anything. I have a huge, you know, support system. I got calls from you'd be a lot of people,
01:02:06.140 a lot of people in the industry, a lot of people who are close to that documentary, a lot of people
01:02:11.620 that are work at Netflix. I got calls from a lot of people. So it wasn't just like friends or
01:02:18.500 colleagues i got a lot of calls so you know everybody's pretty aware how the how stupid 0.97
01:02:23.800 this was it was the people that don't know how to read write um or comprehend or you know have any 0.97
01:02:31.840 like ability to sort of dissect something and you know double check and double back and google
01:02:38.600 people who don't know google um or maybe they just use bing i don't know but i i just you know
01:02:44.500 what can you say this is the world we live in this is the this is trump's america
01:02:49.060 last thing i'll say is i really want to i really want to start examining and exploring and i want
01:02:58.740 people to do that sort of like how you get your news i think i have a tip this is a tip
01:03:02.140 i think for 2026 really start going through who you're following and and and where you're getting
01:03:09.860 your information and how it makes you feel after you consume it um and really start spending maybe
01:03:15.400 like every day just removing uh bullshit from your your environment i'm i'm a victim of it too 0.52
01:03:22.300 i'm in two snark groups i'm like obsessed with them but i also think like the negativity is 0.73
01:03:28.280 getting to be annoying and i also think like we've already kind of gone through the same
01:03:33.360 conversation over and over again. So, so if that is taking time away from you to be the type of
01:03:40.940 person that is productive and informed and more learned in something, and something is taking
01:03:48.720 away from that, an account, an interest or whatever, just remove it. I think we need to
01:03:53.420 start. I think we've, we've gotten our fill on a lot of things. And I think the mass consumption
01:03:59.400 of bullshit is by design. And we need to start putting guardrails around our mental health and 0.99
01:04:05.480 our energy for that. And I encourage people, you know, I love the internet more than anybody I
01:04:12.360 know, but I too know when there's a moment where I need to pull back and start reassessing sort of
01:04:19.260 like what I'm engaging with and how I'm putting myself out there. And I think just that reset is
01:04:24.500 good for anybody and touch grass really just touch grass and get a passport get a passport
01:04:31.280 touch more grass divest from the media bullshit and lies i like it winter thank you so much for 0.95
01:04:37.740 being here you are such a goddamn delight you are too we need to do this more often i'm gonna come 0.86
01:04:44.280 back anytime for some stuff i would love that you're the best thank you bridget i really love 0.92
01:04:48.960 you for inviting me in to take space in your space and thank you i appreciate your support so much
01:04:54.160 Thank you.
01:04:54.880 Oh, it's so mutual.
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