There Are No Girls on the Internet - Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison, Elon Musk’s racist tweets, AI senate hearings, and Montana bans Tik Tok — NEWS ROUNDUP

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00:00:58.980 There Are No Girls on the Internet is a production of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative.

00:01:07.080 I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.

00:01:12.540 Hi, and welcome to There Are No Girls on the Internet.

00:01:14.660 So we are starting a brand new thing on the podcast where we are going to be rounding up

00:01:19.200 news and analysis about tech, the internet, and media that you might have missed.

00:01:23.000 I will do this every other week, but if you want to get it weekly,

00:01:25.800 be sure to subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com slash tangody. So let's get into it. I'm here with

00:01:31.220 my producer, Mike. Mike, thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me. I'm super excited

00:01:36.340 to be here for this inaugural news roundup. So we're starting out hot with a story that I followed

00:01:41.800 obsessively. I have watched multiple documentaries about it. I have read books about it. I have

00:01:45.940 watched Hulu series about it. And that is my girl, Elizabeth Holmes. Elizabeth Holmes has officially

00:01:51.600 girlbossed a little bit too close to the sun and must report to prison on May 30th. Y'all probably 1.00

00:01:57.600 remember Elizabeth Holmes. She used to run a blood testing startup called Theranos that said that

00:02:02.120 using a drop of blood, they could screen for diseases and health information, but actually

00:02:06.260 it never did any of that. Elizabeth Holmes, like she wore a lot of black turtlenecks and sort of 1.00

00:02:11.820 always had this like messy hair and she kind of talked like this, all as part of this like tech 0.56

00:02:17.400 CEO persona that was also kind of a fraud. Holmes was convicted on charges of defrauding her

00:02:22.900 investors in her failed blood testing startup. She's appealing those charges, but the court

00:02:27.720 rejected her request to remain out on bail while she appeals her case. She's sort of been able to

00:02:32.560 drag her feet on reporting to prison, but it seems like maybe her time has finally run out.

00:02:37.740 Now, back in November, she was sentenced to 11 years and three months in prison for conspiracy

00:02:42.320 and fraud against investors. Now, she was supposed to report to prison back in April,

00:02:45.960 but her prison time was delayed while the court considered her appeal.

00:02:49.640 This comes after kind of a very glowing, fawning New York Times, like,

00:02:55.380 redemption arc profile that really painted her in a sympathetic light.

00:02:59.920 But let's not forget that Elizabeth Holmes' scam hurt real people. 1.00

00:03:04.620 There was a mother with a history of miscarriages who was wrongly told that she would never be able to have a baby. 0.77

00:03:09.540 There was someone who was given a false HIV diagnosis and had to wait for months until they could afford another test.

00:03:14.920 And someone was even given a false cancer diagnosis.

00:03:18.600 Yeah, that's what's so egregious about her story.

00:03:21.360 You know, as somebody who works in health tech, it was like really just egregious that she would just be lying about what this technology can do.

00:03:32.380 But it says a lot about our legal frameworks for policing or regulating health tech that none of her jail sentences related to harming those people or the thousands of more people who received inaccurate medical information.

00:03:51.280 It was all just about the investors. And, you know, I'm like kind of torn about this because it's good to see some justice happening, but it's not happening because people were harmed. It's just because investors were harmed. And it's a real shortcoming.

00:04:10.740 No, I firmly believe had Elizabeth Holmes not harmed and defrauded wealthy investors, rich people, she would not be going to jail. I think that if she had only harmed regular ordinary people, which she did harm, I don't think that she'd be facing jail time like she is. And I also don't think that she would be hated like she is.

00:04:29.240 It is kind of a sad thing that the reason why she is facing consequences is probably because she defrauded investors because people don't care when you harm.

00:04:38.080 I think I think that we've just kind of been conditioned that you can be a tech company that harms everyday people.

00:04:43.740 And that's totally fine. Harm wealthy people and investors. Then you're going to jail.

00:04:48.060 Yeah. So as we talk about on the show, what does the future look like that does a better job of protecting people? I think this is a real area where as health technology becomes a bigger part of the health landscape overall, we're really going to need regulatory frameworks to address it.

00:05:14.020 And right now we just like don't have them.

00:05:16.200 To the extent that we do in FDA, they're just very inadequate for what's coming.

00:05:22.280 And we haven't even talked about AI.

00:05:24.200 Well, speaking of regulation, let's talk about those AI Senate hearings that also happened this week.

00:05:28.300 There were Senate hearings on AI this week.

00:05:30.140 The hearing started with Senator Richard Blumenthal playing testimony, in air quotes,

00:05:35.760 from a deep fake audio recording of his own voice that was written by ChatGPT

00:05:40.360 and vocalized by an audio application trained on his Senate floor speeches.

00:05:44.240 You've got to hear it. I know that doesn't make sense,

00:05:45.960 but you'll understand what I'm saying when you hear it.

00:05:48.320 You've got to hear it. Here we go.

00:05:50.360 Too often, we have seen what happens when technology outpaces regulation.

00:05:56.060 The unbridled exploitation of personal data,

00:05:58.820 the proliferation of disinformation,

00:06:01.800 and the deepening of societal inequalities.

00:06:05.320 We have seen how algorithmic biases can perpetuate discrimination and prejudice and how the lack of transparency can undermine public trust.

00:06:18.940 This is not the future we want.

00:06:21.800 So that is pretty eerie to hear, right?

00:06:25.440 Like, that sounds just like him.

00:06:27.160 He makes a good point that, you know, it happened to be saying things that he actually agreed with, but they could just as easily be saying something that he would never say and doesn't agree with.

00:06:36.760 And you can sort of get an idea of the implications of that kind of technology.

00:06:41.020 Yeah, it was eerie. And it's it's such a good little stunt.

00:06:44.740 Like, I kind of love it when senators get up there and do little stunts like this.

00:06:48.240 This one is particularly good because it's not just an attention stunt, but it really highlights how it's not just these individual technologies that are a risk, but really the combination of them that creates some really terrifying possibilities for what the future holds.

00:07:07.120 So these hearings really seemed like very chummy. CNN reported that before the hearings, Sam Altman, who you may know as the CEO of OpenAI, who has basically kind of become the face of AI, met with more than 60 House lawmakers over a dinner.

00:07:22.700 It was a bipartisan gathering featuring an even split of Republicans and Democrats, and Altman demonstrated, like, various uses of chat GPT to, quote, much amusement, according to a person in the room who described the lawmakers as riveted by the display.

00:07:38.360 Um, yeah, something about that. There's something about that I don't like, that this was such a chummy meeting of lawmakers and AI technologists. I would like, I guess I'll just stop it there. There's something about the chumminess that I find a little sus. What do you think?

00:07:58.520 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:59.420 It is a little sus, right?

00:08:00.900 Like usually regulation is an adversarial thing.

00:08:05.480 And in those occasions when the industry is like leading the charge on the regulation,

00:08:12.440 it's usually weird, right?

00:08:14.620 There's usually some kind of like perverse incentive or like agency capture or something

00:08:19.540 going on.

00:08:20.720 And it feels weird.

00:08:22.500 Yeah, you're not the only one who feels that way.

00:08:23.820 Yeah. And if you were just kind of casually following the story via headlines that you

00:08:28.220 didn't click into, you probably saw that Sam Altman actually pleaded for Senate to regulate AI. He

00:08:34.020 said, we think that regulatory intervention by governments will be critical to mitigate the

00:08:38.400 risks of increasingly powerful models. And so here's my take. This whole thing just feels very

00:08:43.380 sus to me. And Scott Galloway actually put it really well on Twitter. He tweeted this very long

00:08:48.400 list of all the different times that tech CEOs made a big show in public asking for their

00:08:54.300 technology to be regulated. And so I think that what, so like Mark Zuckerberg saying,

00:08:58.480 please regulate us, or Jack Dorsey saying, please regulate Twitter. And I think that what Altman is

00:09:04.020 actually saying is, yes, we totally agree. We need regulation. And we would also be very happy

00:09:10.200 to write that regulation for you. I think he's advocating for AI companies making the rules

00:09:15.760 themselves. I don't think that he's actually like genuinely asking for lawmakers to regulate AI.

00:09:24.000 Yeah, I think that's probably right. And you could forgive him for thinking that Congress may do

00:09:30.940 nothing, right? Like they have a long track record of doing nothing. And so it also feels like a good

00:09:36.080 way to just avoid responsibility for having some sort of like ethical safeguards in place on their

00:09:42.580 own which we can't expect them to because they're companies they wouldn't do that uh but yeah like

00:09:49.060 calling for regulation it feels like a good way to pass the buck and be like oh congress why don't

00:09:54.020 you regulate us let's take a quick break

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00:11:58.640 Well, speaking of passing the buck and posturing while really doing nothing, let's talk about Montana.

00:12:04.760 So this week, Montana became the first state to ban the social media platform TikTok, which is a pretty big step in the backlash against this Chinese-owned platform over concerns about things like data privacy.

00:12:16.200 Montana's governor signed the measure on Wednesday.

00:12:19.000 He said that he did so to, quote, protect Montanans' personal and private data from the Chinese Communist Party.

00:12:24.820 The ban takes effect in January of 2024, but people can actually still use TikTok after that.

00:12:31.100 Like, this law does not punish them if they use TikTok.

00:12:34.480 But what it actually does is target the availability of the app by threatening entities such as TikTok, Google, and Apple with a $10,000 fine for each day that the platform remains accessible in app stores for users in Montana.

00:12:46.940 So from the user end, you don't actually have to do anything once this law goes into effect.

00:12:53.980 But eventually, when you need to update TikTok for it to run properly, that's when it will probably become an issue.

00:12:59.500 So it's kind of a way of phasing TikTok out because people won't be able to access the app in the app store to get the updates that you would need for it to run properly on your device.

00:13:10.660 According to the Washington Post, app stores are divided by country or global region and that they don't change or discriminate based on what state a user is in.

00:13:18.800 Changing that system would require not just carving the stores into state-specific chunks,

00:13:22.980 but also closer monitoring of people's locations and a by-the-minute system to define what happens

00:13:27.920 when, for instance, a user drives over state lines. And keep in mind that people can always

00:13:33.560 just sort of get around this by using a VPN. So it seems like this law will be very difficult

00:13:39.100 to enforce to the point where you're almost going to have to wonder what the point of this law

00:13:43.140 would be. The law would be nullified if TikTok is no longer headquartered in, quote, any country

00:13:48.940 designated as a foreign adversary by the U.S. government. The law will probably face a

00:13:53.500 significant legal challenge. Free speech groups like the ACLU have already been vocally criticizing

00:13:58.020 this law, and five TikTok creators filed a lawsuit saying that this ban infringes on their First

00:14:03.180 Amendment rights. In the suit, they say the state of Montana, quote, can no more ban its residents

00:14:08.360 from viewing or posting to TikTok than it could ban the Wall Street Journal because of who owns it

00:14:12.840 or the ideas it publishes. So y'all probably know that we did an entire episode with misinformation

00:14:17.900 specialist and TikTok creator, Abby Richards, about why she feels like banning TikTok just

00:14:22.880 is not a good idea. We'll link to the episode in the show notes, definitely worth listening to.

00:14:27.160 But ultimately, my take is that there is so much wrong with our current data privacy laws and

00:14:32.300 landscape in the U.S. that if lawmakers truly wanted to protect our data and our privacy,

00:14:37.480 banning TikTok would not really accomplish that. So I think that laws like this one,

00:14:41.540 especially given that they're so difficult to actually enforce, are just sort of meant to signal

00:14:45.940 to us, the American public, that lawmakers are like cracking down on and sort of getting tough

00:14:51.720 with big tech while actually doing nothing. And I firmly believe that what we need is

00:14:56.540 meaningful policies to protect our privacy and data, not just grandstanding and posturing, yeah?

00:15:03.060 Yeah, I agree. On the one hand, it's nice to see politicians taking some action. On the other hand,

00:15:10.540 This law seems like bad in half a different ways. And like you said, unenforceable, I'm not very sympathetic to Google crying that they wouldn't know how to do this, right? Like, you can geofence Google ads down to like a city block if you want to. So the idea that they are going to be completely unable to handle state boundaries is just dishonest, right? Like they could technically figure it out if they if they wanted to, but they don't want to.

00:15:40.540 Um, not that this law is, is a good idea because like you said, people can get around it a bunch

00:15:45.840 of different ways. It's probably unconstitutional. Uh, but yeah, wouldn't it be nice if we saw

00:15:51.220 more thoughtful legislation that instead of just banning one app on, uh, for reasons that feel

00:16:00.840 awfully sinophobic, what if they prohibited categories of data use or prohibited categories

00:16:08.920 of data collection so that social media platforms could not harvest the personal data of Montanans

00:16:19.240 without their explicit consent.

00:16:21.000 You know, that feels like it would be a much better approach to actually protect people's

00:16:26.100 privacy.

00:16:27.040 There are a million different better approaches that are out there.

00:16:29.720 I firmly think that lawmakers want the credit for appearing to do something while actually

00:16:35.560 doing nothing.

00:16:36.480 That is my big problem with all of this talk of banning TikTok.

00:16:39.800 Yeah. And a big part of what they're trying to do with the TikTok ban is feed anti-China sentiment, which I think there's a lot of good reasons to be concerned about China's relationship with the United States and spying on Americans.

00:16:54.460 But we could definitely do without the racist rhetoric, right?

00:16:58.040 Pretty much always. You know who needs to hear that? Elon Musk. I know that I said that I wasn't going to talk about Elon Musk anymore, like for my own personal mental health, that I was going to stop talking about Elon Musk. But I have to talk about this interview that he did. So last week, Elon Musk did this interview with CNBC. During the interview, he was asked about his tweets about the mass shooting in Allen, Texas, which was a total tragedy on May 8th that left eight people dead and seven people wounded.

00:17:24.820 Now, let's just be super, super clear.

00:17:27.020 The Texas Department of Public Safety has said that the shooter showed indications of holding neo-Nazi ideology,

00:17:32.560 with an official saying that he had patches, he had tattoos.

00:17:35.480 And multiple news outlets, including the New York Times, confirmed this too.

00:17:39.080 But Elon Musk basically just said a bunch of inaccurate stuff about the shooting.

00:17:43.460 Elon Musk said, quote, 1.00

00:17:44.880 Ascribing it to white supremacy was bullshit. 1.00

00:17:47.440 There's no proof that he is a white supremacist. 0.99

00:17:49.420 We should not be ascribing things to white supremacy if it's false.

00:17:52.360 When he doubled down on this claim on Twitter, people actually used Twitter's community notes feature to correct him, adding a footnote to the post that said, Texas police have confirmed that Allen, the mall shooter, had neo-Nazi tattoos and beliefs, and he wore a patch signifying right-wing death squad.

00:18:08.360 The community note was deleted.

00:18:09.860 We do not know if Elon Musk had anything to do with that community note being deleted, but it does sound like something he would do, we have to admit.

00:18:17.240 So this is my take.

00:18:18.260 obviously the things that Elon Musk says are not true and also horrible, right? So like that's not

00:18:24.540 what I'm giving a perspective on here. My take is that we absolutely need to talk about the fact

00:18:29.960 that Elon Musk has been amplifying and engaging with extremist right-wing talking points, and he's

00:18:35.100 been doing it for a really long time out in public. I think that for a while, like it was kind of easy

00:18:41.440 or maybe tempting for tech journalists, even tech journalists that I really personally like and

00:18:47.140 respect. Kara Swisher, I'm obsessed with Kara Swisher. She is one of my idols. However, I do 0.59

00:18:52.840 think that some of the tech press really kind of let him off the hook from what he is obviously

00:18:58.400 doing in plain sight. I think that people gave him the benefit of the doubt. They assumed that

00:19:03.460 maybe something else was going on, like maybe Elon Musk was just trolling or kind of just trying to

00:19:08.140 be edgy, use edgy humor, or he doesn't actually believe the things that he's talking about,

00:19:12.900 Or that maybe he's somehow just trying to, like, cure out both sides as if someone like Elon Musk is far too smart to fall for, like, a right-wing extremist echo chamber.

00:19:23.440 But this has been going on in plain sight for kind of a long time.

00:19:27.360 Like, remember when Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi, was attacked by a man with a hammer?

00:19:32.480 Elon Musk tweeted a piece from the fringe website called the Santa Monica Observer, which has previously reported things like that Hillary Clinton died in 9-11 and was replaced by a body double.

00:19:41.640 this piece falsely claimed that Paul Pelosi knew his attacker and that they had had some kind of

00:19:47.040 a relationship. This is obviously not true, completely baseless. Pelosi's attacker admitted

00:19:52.740 that he broke into their home specifically to attack Speaker Pelosi. But after Musk tweeted

00:19:57.560 this, other extremists amplified this baseless claim on Twitter, including Marjorie Taylor Greene,

00:20:02.640 who defended Musk with a tweet that repeated the lie that, quote,

00:20:05.700 Paul Pelosi's friend attacked him with a hammer. So Elon Musk, we just have to call it what it is.

00:20:10.680 he traffics in well-worn conspiracy theories that are oftentimes anti-Semitic, right? So

00:20:16.480 he has trafficked in a well-worn anti-Semitic trope when talking about the influential

00:20:21.320 philanthropist George Soros. He tweeted, George Soros reminds me of Magneto, which is obviously

00:20:27.700 comparing Soros to the Marvel supervillain, presumably because they're both Jewish Holocaust

00:20:32.260 survivors. Just in case you were confused about what he was trying to say, he followed up with

00:20:38.080 another tweet saying that George Soros hates humanity. Listen, Soros is an incredibly

00:20:43.360 influential, connected philanthropist. I think he's the biggest donor to the Democratic Party.

00:20:48.800 It is absolutely fine to criticize someone like George Soros's agenda, perspective, whatever.

00:20:55.460 However, there is absolutely a way to do that that does not traffic in well-worn anti-Semitic

00:21:01.980 tropes. You don't have to compare him to a comic book supervillain. You don't have to say that he

00:21:06.680 hates humanity. You don't have to traffic in all of these very well-worn anti-Semitic tropes and

00:21:12.860 stereotypes in order to criticize George Soros. And I think the fact that Elon Musk continues to

00:21:18.760 do so is him telling us who he is. It's him showing us who he is, where he stands, and what

00:21:24.520 he believes. And we got to take him for his word. Yeah, I think you're right. And a notable

00:21:30.700 difference about his defense of the shooter uh is that there was nothing like funny or jokey

00:21:37.880 that in what he was saying right like the idea that oh he's just like kidding or trolling or

00:21:43.940 uh you know playing to the to the trolls for funsies or whatever uh people might say to let

00:21:49.860 him off the hook he was just straight up defending a nazi right like there's photos of this guy's 0.90

00:21:54.700 tattoos and it's like got a swastika he's got the ss lightning bolt like dude was a nazi

00:22:00.700 And Elon Musk is out there saying that he wasn't. Just pure disinformation. 0.85

00:22:07.060 Yeah. And I also think like when the Nancy Pelosi thing happened, I don't remember who I want to say it was like a major funder for MySpace going, you know, a bit of a throwback.

00:22:17.780 But, you know, he pointed out that it's almost like Elon Musk doesn't understand or is rejecting the responsibility that comes with being the CEO of a platform, like that he thinks he's any other user.

00:22:29.580 He should be able to just like tweet whatever he wants. And that's, you know, a complete fiction that like owning this platform comes with a responsibility.

00:22:36.700 And if you're not able to responsibly and ethically handle that responsibility, then you have no business leading a platform.

00:22:42.220 And full stop. Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, the civil rights group that combats anti-Semitism, said that the way that Elon Musk talks about George Soros will embolden extremists.

00:22:53.440 And I absolutely agree with him. Greenblatt says, Soros often is held up by the far right using anti-Semitic tropes as the source of the world's problems. 0.91

00:23:01.300 To see Elon Musk, regardless of his intent, feed this segment, comparing him to a Jewish supervillain claiming that Soros hates humanity is not just distressing, it's dangerous.

00:23:11.360 It will embolden extremists who already contrive anti-Jewish conspiracies and have tried to attack Soros and the Jewish community as a result. 0.93

00:23:18.160 I absolutely agree.

00:23:20.200 And in my opinion, it is really time to see Elon Musk for who he is.

00:23:24.320 If in May of 2023, you are still giving this person the benefit of the doubt, you are still

00:23:29.420 saying that maybe he's joking, maybe this is some sort of genius move that we're too 0.98

00:23:34.180 stupid to understand, it's time to let that go. 0.98

00:23:37.940 Elon Musk is telling us who he is. 1.00

00:23:39.820 He has told us who he is time and time again.

00:23:42.160 It is time for us to believe him.

00:23:44.380 I think it was Maya Angelou who said, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

00:23:49.880 Elon Musk is showing us who he is.

00:23:51.560 It's time for all of us to believe him. 0.98

00:23:54.320 This is, you know, he's not just engaging with this extremist garbage by mistake. 0.98

00:23:59.980 This is what he believes. 0.99

00:24:01.240 This is who he is.

00:24:02.200 And the sooner that we accept that, the better.

00:24:04.980 Totally agree.

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00:26:09.160 okay so one last kind of fun thing did you see that weird i mean i don't know if you follow

00:26:16.640 essence magazine on facebook mike probably not but did you see this weird facebook post that

00:26:21.940 essence magazine put out about viola davis uh you sent it to me and i saw it and i was like

00:26:27.740 wow people are just like writing in bizarre ways that i can't even understand anymore i guess i'm

00:26:33.640 out of touch with what the kids are doing. Okay. So basically it's this picture of Viola Davis at

00:26:39.640 con. She looks fantastic. She's wearing this like beautiful white gown, just like it looks amazing

00:26:45.400 10 out of 10. So Essence on Facebook, they wrote, I'm going to read this verbatim. We give credit

00:26:50.600 when credit is due in Villa Davis is looking like 850. Everyone at con can now pack your bags and

00:26:58.460 return home. This is a eat. This is a ate. This is supper. God damn, the dam is broken and the

00:27:06.200 flood of goodness has overflowed. 10 out of 10. Okay. So this is clearly like Essence Magazine 1.00

00:27:12.400 is a magazine that has a Black woman readership, right? And so this is obviously a post that is

00:27:18.680 trying to use like Black woman slang, like, oh, she ate, blah, blah, blah. I get that. However, 0.99

00:27:25.480 I believe, and no one, I have no proof, but no one will be able to convince me otherwise, this is written by AI. Somebody has tried to train an AI model to speak like a black woman and do black woman slang. And I believe this, like no one will ever be able to convince me that that's not what this is. 0.75

00:27:46.400 I should say that this post has since been edited and it reads much clearer.

00:27:50.900 They definitely like have polished it up.

00:27:52.680 They've spelled Viola Davis's name correctly in the edited version.

00:27:56.500 But, you know, maybe we don't need to worry about AI taking all of our jobs because this is what it looks like when AI tries to do AAVE black slang. 0.50

00:28:05.160 It trips them up every time, right? 0.71

00:28:06.540 We got to, we should call it Shafika Hudson.

00:28:08.740 Your slip is showing back in here. 1.00

00:28:10.480 Yes, obviously racist word salad is what she called it.

00:28:12.980 Okay, so I'm going to end on a little segment that I'm hoping to return to, which is called,

00:28:17.840 is this happening for everyone or happening just to me? So has anyone else on TikTok noticed

00:28:23.300 segments of movies taking over your For You page? It'll be just like a juicy or climactic

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00:28:45.720 seen no less than a dozen times. And I know the movie by heart, where Selena is shopping in the

00:28:52.520 mall and the sales girl is rude to her and her sister when she's shopping. And she has her pretty 1.00

00:28:57.300 woman moment. Well, we don't need the dress. So that segment came up on TikTok and I watched the 0.99

00:29:02.420 hell out of it. And I was like, well, I've seen this movie a million times. I know exactly what's

00:29:05.840 going to happen. But I don't know. There's just something deeply satisfying about these movie

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00:29:21.120 on TikTok? And if it is happening, do you find it as satisfying as I do? Like, why is it so

00:29:26.700 satisfying? What's going on? What's the brain chemistry behind why this is so satisfying to

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