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00:01:48.640 I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.

00:01:54.160 Thanks for tuning in to There Are No Girls on the Internet, where we explore the intersection of technology, social media, the internet, and identity.

00:02:01.820 And this is another installment of our weekly news roundup, where we dig into all those stories on the internet that you might have missed so you don't have to.

00:02:10.200 I am so excited to welcome back our super producer, Joey.

00:02:14.420 Joey, it's been so long. How are you?

00:02:16.820 Hello. Yeah, oh my God, it's been forever.

00:02:20.080 I'm good.

00:02:21.140 You know, we're moving along.

00:02:24.900 Life is happening.

00:02:26.140 Things are happening in the world.

00:02:27.840 And we're coping with those things happening.

00:02:30.720 Life is continuing to life.

00:02:32.540 But I do know that you've got some exciting, like, podcast projects going on, right?

00:02:37.080 I do, yes.

00:02:38.600 There's a show that I work on that's called Afterlives.

00:02:41.020 And season two just came out recently.

00:02:44.640 I believe you're on episode five when this show is going to drop.

00:02:49.700 But yeah, episodes are still dropping. And this season is about Marsh B. Johnson and her life and legacy. So if you are interested at all in like queer history or New York City history or just like cool things that have happened and also very sad things that have happened, you should check out Afterlives.

00:03:10.240 It's such a good show. I cannot speak more highly of it. We are fans of it very much here over at

00:03:16.540 There Are No Girls on the Internet. Yeah, listen to that show. Okay, so from that sort of beacon 1.00

00:03:22.280 of light to a, I'm going to say beacon of dark, although that might be an overreaction. But

00:03:28.660 Joey, do you remember how Joe Rogan had Trump on his podcast right before the election

00:03:34.820 after swearing for a very long time that he would never have Trump on his podcast.

00:03:40.600 By the way, I did win a hundred dollar bet on that.

00:03:43.180 I bet that Joe Rogan would have Trump on his show before the election.

00:03:46.700 And he did. And I won a hundred dollars.

00:03:48.620 I've still not gotten the money from that bet, but I did win.

00:03:51.940 I'm shocked that somebody would bet against that.

00:03:54.160 Like, I feel like that was a given, but it was good.

00:03:57.220 But yes, I do. I do remember.

00:03:58.900 And then after Trump was elected, Rogan said that he felt that he was personally the reason why Trump won.

00:04:05.140 Well, now Joe Rogan is looking at what Trump has actually been doing and saying, I didn't vote for this, even though I feel that Trump could not have been clearer that he intended to target immigrants the way that he has been doing.

00:04:18.300 On his show, Rogan has been calling out Trump or his handling of immigration, saying there's two things that are insane.

00:04:24.600 One is the targeting of migrant workers, not cartel members, not gang members, not drug dealers, just construction workers showing up at construction sites, raiding them, gardeners.

00:04:33.220 Like, really? The Trump administration, if they're running and they say, we're going to go to Home Depot and arrest all the people at Home Depot, we're going to go to construction sites and we're just going to, like, tackle people at construction sites, I don't think anybody would have signed up for that.

00:04:46.240 The Washington Post reported that these comments came after Rogan personally sat down and discussed immigration policy with Trump at a private dinner and pushed back on him deporting workers who have not committed crimes.

00:04:58.180 Both Joe Rogan and Dana White, a friend of both Rogan's and Trump's, who was the CEO of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, had dinner with Trump on June 30th, according to the Washington Post, who quoted somebody who had knowledge of this meeting.

00:05:10.540 First of all, the whole thing is just sort of like topsy-turvy that we have Joe freaking Rogan having a private sit-down to talk to Trump about immigration policies.

00:05:21.480 I just will never be over it.

00:05:23.160 Yeah, and the CEO of Ultimate Fighting Championship.

00:05:26.760 I love, I mean, not love. Love is the wrong word.

00:05:29.600 I find it, like, kind of amusing how much, like, WWE and, like, professional wrestling stuff has been involved with this administration.

00:05:39.880 like i don't know there's just something so like like if this were in a movie like that would be

00:05:45.040 too much of a metaphor like i would be like too heavy-handed of a metaphor i love how many people

00:05:49.480 are like taking credit for like didn't elon musk also say like oh yeah i'm the i'm 100% the reason

00:05:54.720 he like who's gonna be next like some random person like every single white dude with a

00:06:00.720 podcast is gonna pop out and be like it was me i was i actually was responsible guys i'm sorry

00:06:06.820 It was Joey. Yeah. And I think, I mean, I I'm weirdly torn on this. We did an episode where we're talking about how the podcaster Theo Vaughn, who also took credit for Trump getting reelected.

00:06:23.820 that was a rough one for me to edit I actually I only knew Theo Vaughn from his like clips that

00:06:30.720 would be on TikTok like people would like lip sync to them on TikTok and I was like oh this

00:06:34.900 is funny I had no idea that he was like that big this is actually I mean it does say something

00:06:41.200 about the short form content culture because I knew Theo Vaughn from I'm sorry to say MTV's The

00:06:47.820 challenge then i never knew about his podcast i learned about him from short like super short form

00:06:54.280 youtube tiktok stuff and i was like oh this guy's funny this guy's funny like he's really a funny

00:06:59.440 personable guy he got me that's how they get you it wasn't until sitting down and listening to his

00:07:05.380 long form content which i do think is sort of he definitely knows what he's doing i think he i think

00:07:12.120 I think he is coming off sort of, ah, shucks, gee whiz.

00:07:15.440 But I think he's pretty smart, educative guy,

00:07:18.960 very intentional about how he is presenting himself.

00:07:21.860 But a while back, he used his show to speak out about what's happening in Gaza,

00:07:27.740 which a lot of people were like, that's great, any platform.

00:07:31.900 However, he did that just a few, like a week after going on a military trip with Trump.

00:07:38.900 He's close personal friends with the Kushners.

00:07:41.320 That is difficult for me. Like I understand people who say anybody who's using their platform to convince the average person that what's happening right now is not great is doing a good thing. And I am very sympathetic to that argument. I absolutely get it. But it is tough for me the same way that it is tough for me to have someone like Joe Rogan say, this is not what I wanted. This is not what I voted for. This is not what I advocated for.

00:08:09.560 Joe Rogan lives in Texas. I have a hard time believing that that news of what Trump intended to do when it came to immigration didn't make it in to Joe Rogan's, you know, to his to his understanding of what was going on.

00:08:24.820 I guess maybe you could say, I assumed that he was going to be doing all of this to immigrants who committed crimes like cartel members and rapists and gang members. But I just don't believe that Joe Rogan is that stupid. I think he's a savvy guy. I have a hard time personally believing him when he says, well, I wouldn't have signed up for this. I didn't vote for this. 1.00

00:08:47.900 I think it's possible that maybe he did not actually like sit down and conceptualize how ugly and odious these kinds of policies would be, you know, going after people who are showing up to work, going after people who are showing up to, you know, legal court appointments and stuff like, quote, unquote, doing everything right.

00:09:06.400 I don't think that he it's possible that maybe he didn't think through what that would be like.

00:09:12.440 But like, you know, ISIS budget is now one hundred and seventy billion dollars over the next few years, more than NASA, more than public health, more than education, more than anything.

00:09:21.140 It's the most well-funded police force in the country now.

00:09:23.820 And they have this vastly increased surveillance network that we're all going to be subjected to now.

00:09:28.420 And I I mean, this is what Joe Rogan helped usher in.

00:09:31.820 yeah yeah no i i it's weird and i agree like i i do feel really torn where part of me is like yeah

00:09:40.540 no like joe rogan's a really savvy guy he knows the media ecosystem like that's how he got where 0.92

00:09:47.780 he is today also i do believe people are kind of stupid and like i think a lot of because it's like 0.92

00:09:53.280 this is something you keep hearing like i feel like i keep hearing this statement where people 0.98

00:09:57.500 are like oh but I didn't realize he like really meant that or whatever and I'm like oh like

00:10:02.000 there's this cognitive dissonance happening where like people can I don't even know I'm I am not I

00:10:08.280 am far from a psychologist so I don't listen to me on this but it feels like it's one of those

00:10:12.480 things where it's like people get so caught up in like the messaging that they don't actually

00:10:16.160 listen to like what they're saying and then they want to act surprised when what was being said

00:10:20.300 actually happens and this is like another instance of that so part of me is like I don't know is he

00:10:24.680 being genuine and saying like, well, I didn't realize this was gonna happen. Or is it just

00:10:30.440 like, yeah, no, you're like cash grab didn't work out the way you wanted it to. And you're

00:10:35.200 backtracking. Who's to say? Yeah, I saw this really compelling post on I think threads where

00:10:42.060 someone was like, the people with big platforms who advocated for Trump and are now saying,

00:10:46.640 well, I didn't vote for this and are backing away from it. They probably crunched the numbers and

00:10:50.940 said listen the stuff that is happening right now is odious and indefensible and horrible and

00:10:56.740 audiences don't like it so let's let's backtrack a little bit let's not align you publicly with

00:11:02.140 this anymore uh which i thought was very compelling and i mean i just like with the

00:11:06.960 theovan argument i don't want to discount that it probably is good to have these everyday messengers

00:11:14.200 like joe rogan and theovan speaking up against ice in these common sense ways because you know

00:11:20.260 anybody who is getting that message out I think is probably it's like is like doing a good thing

00:11:24.620 a lot of these people would never listen to a podcast like mine they would never listen to a

00:11:28.340 messenger like me totally get it however like for instance would I as a black woman be allowed to be

00:11:36.140 so spectacularly wrong in public and have people say well at least she's getting it right now like

00:11:42.740 I'm just very curious how we got to a position where you can be so loud and so wrong for so long

00:11:49.220 But then if you like eventually get to the right position, everybody's supposed to be like, oh, well, at least he got there. At least he's doing the right thing now. And not for nothing. I feel like somebody that has a big as big of a megaphone as Joe Rogan does, does kind of have a moral responsibility to understand what they are doing when they promote a candidate.

00:12:09.580 So even if we take him at face value and accept that, like, okay, maybe he truly did not think it through and didn't realize that Trump was going to do exactly what he openly said he was going to do, what he campaigned on, I just, I don't know that I didn't know is a good enough excuse.

00:12:26.520 and I feel the thing that gets me is like why not say I personally got this wrong I made a mistake

00:12:34.280 I let down the audience who comes to me for information because I didn't I didn't think it

00:12:39.200 all the way through and I led people to make that same mistake I kind of bragged about it too for a 0.99

00:12:44.400 little while this is on me um Bridget men can't do that they're not allowed to do that yeah I think 0.98

00:12:52.200 the thing that gets me is like that that like inability to just say like i've said things i

00:12:58.200 wish i hadn't said on this podcast if somebody asked me what those things were i'd be happy to

00:13:01.660 tell them the kind of way that they talk about it with this kind of pat how on after the election

00:13:08.800 he was like i personally did this i personally got trump in office and now there's just this

00:13:13.280 passive happenstance of like how could trump be elected and do these kinds of things that is the

00:13:19.100 quality to it that that gets me that I have such trouble with that just be honest about it you got

00:13:24.960 it wrong you made a mistake you wish you hadn't what's happening now is not good and and go from

00:13:31.240 there I just don't like the passivity of it and people who are like applauding these guys for

00:13:37.100 you know looking around and being like yeah it's not great what's happening is not good like like

00:13:43.460 that's the bare minimum obviously this stuff's not good like look at what has happened in LA

00:13:47.400 obviously that's not great right like that's the bare like you would have to be either completely 0.98

00:13:53.940 unempathetic or a complete moron to look at that and not get to the conclusion of like yeah it's 0.62

00:13:58.820 not good right yeah i don't i don't think they should get a part i think it again i agree with 0.99

00:14:06.400 you where it's like there's some argument that like yeah maybe this is good or maybe this will

00:14:11.900 like get a handful of people to be like oh maybe trump is bad or maybe ice is bad or maybe

00:14:18.740 what's happening in gaza is bad but like it's it is doing the bare minimum it's doing the bare

00:14:26.340 minimum and you shouldn't be like this is the exact same thing that was happening when elon

00:14:31.700 musk first also was like ah actually friendship over with trump like there were a bunch of you

00:14:38.200 You know, there are like these Democrats that were like, oh, is he on our side?

00:14:43.280 No, he's Elon Musk.

00:14:45.280 He didn't like it's like, no, he's still he's still Joe Brogan. 0.87

00:14:48.620 Like he's still a terrible human being.

00:14:53.300 I don't know.

00:14:54.180 I do think I mean, I think, again, people in general have a hard time admitting that they're wrong.

00:15:00.780 And if you're somebody with like an ego this size and a platform this size, that only makes it worse.

00:15:05.900 So it makes sense that you would want to twist that.

00:15:08.580 So like even if you are seeing this and you are so appalled by it and you're like moved to speak out, you'd have to twist it in a way that was like, no, actually, I'm the victim.

00:15:16.840 Yeah, I was lied to.

00:15:18.840 I would have never done that.

00:15:20.520 I'm the real victim here.

00:15:22.300 Yeah.

00:15:22.880 I mean, to your point about Elon Musk, I do feel like people really show you who they are.

00:15:28.820 Like Andrew Yang coming on board with Elon Musk's new political party.

00:15:34.060 I'm sorry.

00:15:34.840 somebody who gets on a stage and does a nazi salute twice i don't care what the situation

00:15:41.740 is i'm never aligning myself with them like that's it and i there's there's never an argument to be

00:15:47.180 made where i would and so it's telling to me the people who rushed to be on board with that i just

00:15:55.940 there's i mean i just think it says a lot about who you are as a person definitely oh man i forgot

00:16:02.440 that he was i had i was like talking to a friend about this yesterday because they were like

00:16:06.300 what do you think is gonna happen with the republican party like it seems like all these

00:16:10.360 people are chitting at us and i was like it's probably just we're gonna end up with two really

00:16:15.100 bad parties now like it's yeah there's gonna be some split but it's like and then we're gonna get

00:16:20.080 it's like when you you're gonna get the two hydra heads instead of the one kind of situation and

00:16:25.300 maybe like i don't know maybe that'll fuck them over in like voting situations but it's like oh 0.67

00:16:31.860 great then we're gonna have to deal with like the elon musk tech bro andrew yang party on one side 0.97

00:16:38.280 and then like trump and like mitch mcconnell or whoever on the other but yeah oh my god do you

00:16:46.040 remember when andrew yang was running for i think was it mayor of new york there's a a moment in

00:16:51.600 his campaign that like lives rent free in my brain where because he didn't actually live in new york

00:16:56.480 and he was asked about it he was like his response was like me live in new york oh

00:17:02.740 disgusting i would never can you imagine that you know what at least he said it at least he said it

00:17:07.540 like cuomo was pretending cuomo was pretending that he lived here when everybody knew he lived 0.99

00:17:12.500 in westchester and at least andrea was like ew this shithole ride this tub can you imagine 1.00

00:17:20.620 Disgusting. 0.99

00:17:22.520 I think that is a moment I think about, like, 0.81

00:17:25.560 probably once a week I think about that moment.

00:17:27.780 I'm going to be real.

00:17:28.700 I forgot about Andrew Yang as, like, a political figure.

00:17:31.320 Yes!

00:17:32.120 He's like, like, for the minute he emerged,

00:17:35.140 I was like, this, this, this is going bad.

00:17:38.440 This feels like it's going bad.

00:17:39.980 Yeah.

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00:19:40.460 When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months.

00:19:45.860 I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them.

00:19:52.220 I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files.

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00:20:47.960 Well, speaking of New York politics, I know you are our resident New Yorker.

00:20:54.040 I am a former New Yorker.

00:20:55.780 So obviously I have lots of opinions about New York's mayoral race.

00:20:58.860 i bet as a new york i mean like people in new york always have big opinions about whoever's

00:21:02.960 mayor what were your thoughts that was you know what that day that mom donnie won the primary

00:21:09.860 that is the most hope that i have felt a long ass time and like yeah sure okay he has not won yet

00:21:15.700 there's so much stuff that could happen but like you know what i think this was a nice moment

00:21:22.220 felt really good about it i you know i voted for him i supported his campaign i think seeing just

00:21:28.760 like the numbers of people that came out to support him has been really encouraging and like you know

00:21:34.520 a good reminder that it's like yeah no people do want to see like a better world in a better new

00:21:39.560 york city um so yeah i do i welcome the people's republic of uh the communist takeover when people

00:21:48.380 were like he wants state-run stores in virginia they they already have that they're called abc

00:21:53.900 stores they're run by the state like it's like get a grip great idea get a grip cool i would love

00:22:01.020 that like i saw the um fox news chyron that was clearly meant to be scary and it was like look at

00:22:07.100 all the things mom donnie supports funding public transit child care like it was and new york city

00:22:14.740 famously a city that hates public transit you know you know everybody in new york city has a

00:22:20.560 car and drives oh yeah i drive i'm in my car right now recording this um that totally exists that i

00:22:26.520 totally own okay so i have to talk about this story that popped off over at over fourth of

00:22:31.960 july holiday i actually this story kind of like if i'm being honest wrecked my vacation i took the

00:22:37.700 fourth off i was on the beach i saw this story while i was at literally at a beach bar drinking

00:22:44.100 a cocktail and i i sort of like stewed on it you know what's funny i also had a moment like that

00:22:50.180 but it was with a completely different story.

00:22:52.060 Ooh, what was the story?

00:22:53.060 Do you feel comfortable saying?

00:22:54.360 No, it was about Trump passing the big, beautiful bill

00:22:56.620 because I hadn't been looking at my phone.

00:22:58.840 And then I went to go to the bathroom at one point

00:23:00.700 and I turned and I opened my phone

00:23:02.220 and that was the first notification.

00:23:03.720 And I was like,

00:23:05.240 I'm at my friend's 4th of July party

00:23:07.140 and I was just like,

00:23:07.940 five beers deep, probably.

00:23:11.300 Just like, oh my God, what's happening?

00:23:14.100 You can't have a moment of peace.

00:23:16.620 Which story ruined your day on 4th of July?

00:23:19.160 I know.

00:23:19.620 Yeah. If listeners write in and tell the story, if you were if you were trying to enjoy your Fourth of July holiday and like be offline for one goddamn day, what was the story that pierced that pierced your little bubble and was like, oh, that's right. 0.83

00:23:31.380 We live in a hellscape. Can't forget it. Always got to be plugged into it. 0.87

00:23:34.640 OK, so as we know, Mamdani won the Democratic primary in New York's mayoral race. 0.51

00:23:39.280 He managed to upset the Democratic Party machine and defeat the former governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, a sex pest who I personally had a hand in pushing out of office. 0.73

00:23:49.620 he's just italian he said hey i'm expressive listeners i'm italian for the rec i'm italian 0.98

00:23:57.340 i speak with my hands i'm expressive i touch people i touch men i touch women i touch children

00:24:03.300 that was his big defense was that he was an italian american so of course he's handsy i

00:24:09.080 literally remember when he said that line i was like i'm pretty sure that literally was like a

00:24:12.260 joke in the bear yeah i i mean i hate i hate this guy so much i hate this and it was i remember in

00:24:19.060 like it was yesterday because i had to watch the presser where he resigned and he was saying like

00:24:25.160 i'm an italian american i'm very handsy and then a screen lowers behind him and it's all these

00:24:32.060 videos and images of him being handsy with people across the gender spectrum so it's like oh you're

00:24:39.320 gonna crucify me for putting my hand on the small of somebody's back which by the way that was not

00:24:45.020 what he was accused of he was accused of like legit like he really did a good job of like

00:24:50.240 muddying the waters that's not what he was accused of it's not like hugs and touchiness that was

00:24:55.640 misinterpreted that's not what he was accused of but it's a slideshow of him being handsy

00:25:01.840 with all kinds of different people uh yeah so I will never forget it it was such a weird moment 0.97

00:25:07.440 in politics our first actually probably not first I was gonna say our first bisexual pervert in 0.81

00:25:13.660 office, but there definitely have been others. Like, I don't know. A win. Diversity win. Yeah, 0.98

00:25:19.700 diversity wins finally. This guy has assaulted everybody. Everybody on the spectrum. An equal

00:25:24.960 opportunity harasser. So in any event, Mamdani won. And the establishment Democrats and like

00:25:32.520 right-wing extremists have sort of joined forces to smear him. And luckily for them,

00:25:38.980 the New York Times is a newspaper that exists to help. So the New York Times published a bombshell

00:25:45.820 piece on 4th of July. Basically, the big story, here we go. 15 years ago, back when Mamdani was

00:25:53.620 like a 17-year-old high school student applying to Columbia University for college, a school that he

00:26:00.540 did not get into, so did not attend, he checked the box on his application indicating that he was

00:26:06.360 both Asian and African-American because he is of Indian descent and he was born in the African

00:26:12.820 country of Uganda. That's it. If you're waiting for more, there is not more. Like that's the big

00:26:18.120 bombshell story that the New York Times just had to publish over Fourth of July break.

00:26:23.720 Wait, so like, is this, does this mean that the New York Times is now pro-affirmative action?

00:26:28.340 Because I thought, I thought that was bad and we were just getting rid of it.

00:26:31.020 Yeah. They can't even keep their own horrible ideology straight, their horrible value straight.

00:26:36.360 And the question is, where did the New York Times get this information? It was part of a hack of Columbia's records. So the Times article, I will say they did note that the story revolved around documents that had been hacked from Columbia's computer systems that had been provided to the New York Times by what the paper called an intermediary known as Cremieux.

00:26:58.160 The Times just identified this person as, quote, an academic and an opponent of affirmative action.

00:27:04.620 However, Cremieux is actually like a very well-known publisher of white supremacist and race science content online.

00:27:12.360 So the New York Times essentially kept this source anonymous because they did not publish his real identity, which has been known for kind of a while.

00:27:19.960 They just published his online pseudonym.

00:27:21.860 So I kind of get what's going on here.

00:27:23.900 The Times is really trying to whitewash what they've done, and they're sort of being like, well, we'll just let the readers decide what they think or if this is newsworthy or important or not.

00:27:33.600 But what they're not doing is actually being clear about where they got this information, this hacked information from, because the person who gave them this information, this intermediary, is a well-known purveyor of white supremacist and eugenicist views whose public identity has been known for months.

00:27:51.360 So I should say, the Times did update the article to say, Cremieux, quote, writes often about IQ and race, which I feel like that's a real understatement.

00:28:04.400 Well, that's the New York Times favorite thing to talk about.

00:28:08.420 They love, you know, uplifting writers that write about IQ and race.

00:28:15.860 I feel like they're really doing their readers a disservice.

00:28:18.800 It's like, you know what it is. Figure it out. He writes about race and IQ. Do you think it's good? It's not.

00:28:24.540 Wink, wink.

00:28:25.200 It's a really wink, wink.

00:28:27.680 And their editor, Patrick Healy, publicly defended the position to publish the story and then grant the source anonymity.

00:28:35.040 So that's bad.

00:28:37.040 But it gets worse because Simo Ford reported that the Times published this because they were trying to avoid being scooped by enemy of the show, Christopher Rufo. 0.96

00:28:47.540 You know, Christopher Rufo, the man behind the attacks on DEI, the man who was behind the attack that pushed Claudine Gay out of Harvard's leadership, the man behind the attacks on critical race theory, and the man who openly and publicly continuously brags about how he is able to play the New York Times like a goddamn fiddle to push these attacks.

00:29:08.900 like he is not hiding any of this he goes on twitter and says things like i intend to manipulate

00:29:15.040 the new york times into doing my racist bidding and the new york times is like please daddy let

00:29:20.020 us do your racist bidding like that's essentially what's happening i don't know it's so like

00:29:26.320 it's so depressing because so many people still read the new york times and look to the new york 0.54

00:29:31.740 times as this like you know prestigious journalistic institution but it's like insane it is

00:29:39.040 absolutely insane like the kind of stuff because it's like it's not just it like it's the same

00:29:43.080 stuff with them like they've been like platforming you know like turf arguments and transphobic

00:29:48.420 arguments that have like zero scientific back for years and they've been doing this they've been

00:29:52.940 doing all of this they like and it's the same thing where then they turn around and they're

00:29:57.560 like how did this happen oh my god like absolutely it's crazy I mean this this was what happened with

00:30:03.640 everything that's happening in Gaza it's like every single they they don't miss they don't

00:30:08.140 miss a single issue it's like you know how people say um y'all remember okay like when Glee was on

00:30:13.800 and they would cover like every single issue they possibly could but in like the worst way possible

00:30:19.300 like they managed to be racist or like whatever like to everybody they would not miss a single

00:30:24.940 group like this is what the new york times is doing new york times is the glee of journalistic

00:30:30.380 put that on a t-shirt yeah put that on a bumper sticker yeah there's a really good i want to say

00:30:38.360 it was the podcast cancel me daddy don't quote me on that but there was a really incredible episode

00:30:44.520 about the transphobic attacks in the times and like that you know it was like a real deep dive

00:30:51.540 into where they came from, where they started. Horrible, horrible, but very informative.

00:30:55.220 And one of the points that the person going through, I can't remember who it was,

00:31:00.740 but one of the points they made was like, it matters that it's the New York Times. Like the

00:31:05.740 paper, like the gray lady, the most important paper that the United States really has, or at

00:31:11.900 least was at one point, it matters that like your average American, this is the paper that they go

00:31:18.740 to and feel they can trust. It is incredibly important in terms of establishing the temperature

00:31:23.120 and the tide of the country. And if they are pushing incredibly inflammatory, not to mention

00:31:31.180 full of lies and misinformation, if that's what they're pushing, they have this incredible

00:31:37.560 power to shape the public perception of like your average moderate American. And so it matters

00:31:47.940 what the New York Times like what what where they land on these and what makes me so angry is how

00:31:54.680 they would probably say like although like the whole journalistic question of like bias and

00:32:02.020 being unbiased it's not unbiased to get information from somebody who is like a known

00:32:08.520 purveyor of white supremacist and eugenicist content that's that's not that's not unbiased

00:32:15.020 to publish information that you got from that person and grant them anonymity like i'm not like

00:32:19.340 like what are we doing here i mean it's unbiased if you yourself are also coming at it from like 0.96

00:32:25.960 a white supremacist viewpoint which um maybe is part of the problem but yeah no it is ridiculous

00:32:30.860 i personally i have my own beliefs about the idea of like objectivity and like not being biased

00:32:38.000 because i think it is like near impossible to actually do that but like there is a difference

00:32:42.400 from like trying to report all the facts

00:32:45.160 and like reporting something

00:32:46.480 that's clearly through a specific agenda

00:32:50.740 that they're trying to push.

00:32:52.340 Yeah, if people also,

00:32:53.320 if people are interested in learning more

00:32:54.380 about like the New York Times

00:32:55.220 and the history of transphobia there

00:32:59.040 over the last like decade or so,

00:33:01.500 I would definitely recommend the podcast 0.66

00:33:02.960 Anti-Trans Hate Machine.

00:33:05.720 They have an episode about the New York Times

00:33:07.000 and they interview somebody

00:33:08.060 who had worked at the Times for a while

00:33:09.780 and they like,

00:33:12.400 It was a very good sort of breakdown as to like what the specific problems are and how it's happening and why it is like bad for all of our, you know, mental states and the idea of truth and all of that.

00:33:26.040 But yeah. Yeah, that might have been the podcast that I listened to. It just it makes it's bad for everyone. It's especially bad for trans folks. But like, it makes us all less informed. It makes us all more like divided. It's not good for anybody.

00:33:42.340 And I guess what really pisses me off about the Mamdani thing is that the Independent reported that after it became public that the reason why the New York Times published this is because they did not want to get scooped by Christopher Ruffo, enemy of the show.

00:33:58.680 The Independent reports that in an apparent effort to tweak progressives and spark additional backlash against the paper over the Mamdani story, Christopher Ruffo applauded the New York Times for its report and suggested that they were on the same page.

00:34:11.280 He said, bummer to get scooped, but kudos to my friends at The New York Times for being the first to publish this story.

00:34:19.240 So if the cowards at the time had any gumption at all, they would see how horribly embarrassing it is that Christopher Rufo was saying, 0.98

00:34:28.440 me, right-wing shithead blogger with a substack, is on the same level as the goddamn New York Times, and he's not wrong. 0.99

00:34:38.740 Like, if they had any gumption at all, they would be embarrassed. But I think that they're like, yeah, we are on like, that is who our contemporaries are. Christopher Rufo's substack is a peer to the New York Times now. I like, I just don't understand how they're not so horribly, horribly embarrassed by this sort of events. 0.98

00:34:58.940 and it kind of goes back to your point that like at a certain point maybe they're not embarrassed

00:35:05.440 because Christopher Rufo is not wrong like they are like they do share these values they are kind

00:35:13.160 of like that's the only thing I can think is like when you get played by this guy who makes it clear

00:35:19.260 his intention to play you at a certain point you're not getting played you're playing together

00:35:24.420 your teammates right like i don't know i feel like there's the like i i on people left to on

00:35:33.320 twitter and whatnot you know use the like oh scratch a liberal on like a fascist fleets kind

00:35:38.800 of quote i don't know i'll much agree with that anyways whatever it's complicated um but i do

00:35:43.660 think like to a point like just seeing the amount of like centrist democrats or like progressives

00:35:51.160 which like, yeah, let's say the New York Times, let's call that like a centrist, progressive, quote unquote, publication, seeing how many people with that and within that sphere are like freaking out about the Mamdani win and acting like somehow like, you know, going back to the first story about Joe Rogan, like the Democrats love to talk about how like, oh, we need to like Joe Rogan on the left.

00:36:13.500 if we need a general rule, they don't actually want to listen to the constituents. And like,

00:36:17.500 every time this is not the first time that this is like, like, this has kind of been the thread

00:36:22.080 throughout the past 10 years is whenever there is a political figure that emerges that has

00:36:27.800 more left leaning beliefs, the like the centrist part of the party freaks out and then is surprised

00:36:36.000 by the fact that they're not winning. And at this point, it's like, all right, so you are aware of

00:36:41.620 what you're doing like either you're just so in your own little world that you're like stupid 0.99

00:36:46.500 or like you're aware of the fact that you're like like you'd rather blow up your own ship than let 0.99

00:36:53.000 it change in the slightest you know i i don't know a thousand percent and i feel like establishment

00:37:00.120 democrats should be taking notes from his campaign when you look at the different demographics he was

00:37:05.140 able to get out to get out to the polls with enthusiasm like you all should be taking notes

00:37:10.120 and replicating what he does and they talk all day long about oh we need a candidate that's going

00:37:15.040 to get people excited you have a candidate that gets people excited and they're like no no no not

00:37:18.920 like that not like right like i mean i've had conversations with like people in my life that

00:37:24.100 are kind of like older more like democrats that were like very much like obama klin era democrats

00:37:32.040 that like are still sort of pressed about the fact that like oh people didn't show up to vote

00:37:37.180 for kamala harris and then don't seem to understand that it's like yeah but like things are getting

00:37:42.920 those like if you can get mad at young people you can get mad at whatever all you want but

00:37:47.560 then you're seeing these groups show up for somebody that's actually promising something

00:37:51.440 it's like maybe that's the solution maybe that's the like do you want to just keep complaining

00:37:57.520 about the problem or do you want to fix it and uh i i would like to fix it personally because i

00:38:02.740 don't want to keep living in a world that's falling apart but that's just that's just my

00:38:06.440 opinion you know joey says fix it y'all like crazy yeah joey is together guys yeah and i will say

00:38:15.340 like i hated so much about the the this new york times piece but i will say one thing that made me

00:38:21.460 a little bit happy was that i think most mainstream news outlets could have just repeated

00:38:27.660 like they didn't take the bait like most of what i saw was rather than acting like this was a

00:38:33.240 notable, real, newsworthy story, they were talking about how bad of a move and how bad of a look it

00:38:39.260 is for the Times. It's very clear to me that the thing that they're trying to push, and by they,

00:38:45.360 I mean the Democratic establishment, right-wing grifters, and then they're using the media as a

00:38:50.420 tool to do this. It's very clear to me that the narrative they were trying to push was

00:38:55.160 Black folks against Mom Donnie, right? That's what they were trying to make happen. 0.96

00:39:00.180 And so I was very disappointed, like a black owned media outlet, The Griot, which is like a like a outlet that focuses on the black community. 0.83

00:39:08.480 They reported on it in a kind of way that was like, fam, are we bothered by Mamdani saying that he's black?

00:39:14.740 Rather than the I would argue the much more important story that is certainly more impactful to the lives of their readership, which is like, fam, are we bothered?

00:39:22.500 But the New York Times is working with eugenicists and white supremacists like it just really.

00:39:28.820 yeah i mean it's fine it really yeah it pissed me off and it just like goes to show how

00:39:38.020 many in media like i just wonder like what are you doing like who are you serving who are you

00:39:45.440 trying to educate like did you see that the new york times columnist jamel buoy he had to delete

00:39:50.800 several blue sky posts that were criticizing the new york times for this post and basically his

00:39:56.760 tweet was you should tell readers if your source is a nazi which i feel like doesn't seem like an

00:40:04.560 inflammatory thing to say to me but obviously the new york times made him take that post down and

00:40:09.320 say oh i'm sorry that violated the new york times is social media guides so sorry so sorry like

00:40:14.680 i don't know i mean yeah everybody knows it's more offensive to call somebody a nazi than it 0.66

00:40:21.100 is to do nazi shit exactly just to accuse somebody who's doing nazi should have been a nazi 0.99

00:40:26.680 than it is to actually do the Nazi shit. 1.00

00:40:28.660 That's exactly the vibe here. 0.99

00:40:30.540 And I think what's also annoying

00:40:31.760 is that there is a, like,

00:40:34.140 interesting, meaty conversation to be had

00:40:37.200 about why Mamdani would check

00:40:39.100 both Asian and African-American

00:40:40.820 on a college application.

00:40:42.360 Like, you know, he basically said, like,

00:40:45.000 oh, yeah, 15 years ago

00:40:46.140 when I was applying to college,

00:40:47.340 there was no box to check

00:40:49.160 for being an Indian-American

00:40:50.420 who was born in Africa.

00:40:52.580 That is interesting, right?

00:40:54.160 Like, I think there was

00:40:55.220 an interesting conversation

00:40:56.360 that we had about the limiting way that we think about and talk about race in the United States.

00:41:01.400 But rather than like lift that actual substantive, potentially interesting, useful conversation,

00:41:07.980 it's like the New York Times is only allowed to elevate these very small grievances of right-wing

00:41:15.620 race science pushers. Like we had an opportunity to like have an actual interesting conversation.

00:41:20.940 They were like, nah, what about this like weird petty thing from 15 years ago? Let's just blow

00:41:25.920 that up instead.

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00:44:30.700 So, Joey, you and I, actually, I think you were the producer on this show when Linda Iaccarino first was announced as the CEO of X.

00:44:40.220 And now, right, I'm remembering that correctly.

00:44:42.760 Yes, I think so.

00:44:44.060 Because I remember having to re-edit you saying Yaccarino multiple times.

00:44:49.300 And our producer, Mike, had to be like, think Linda Yaccarino 911.

00:44:52.820 And I was like, oh, got it.

00:44:54.680 Because I kept saying it wrong.

00:44:56.620 Linda Yaccarino.

00:44:57.920 It actually doesn't really matter now.

00:44:59.420 I'll probably not be saying her name again after this episode. 0.96

00:45:02.300 Because Linda Yaccarino has officially stepped out as the CEO of X after two years at the helm.

00:45:08.620 You might be thinking, who the hell is Linda Yaccarino?

00:45:11.160 I don't know that name. 0.99

00:45:11.740 it is because you didn't really hear a ton from her like when she even when she got named as the

00:45:17.900 ceo of x elon musk was certainly still the most public facing person at x even though she was

00:45:23.380 meant to ostensibly be the ceo she would pop up a few times mostly just sort of smooth over some

00:45:30.380 bad thing that elon musk had done or like explain why it was actually good so one of my favorite

00:45:35.800 things in tech and media and all of this is when people leave companies how they leave that generally

00:45:43.340 gives us some sort of insight into like what might have happened what's going on like if somebody

00:45:48.200 leaves the company and then somebody else in the company says oh we wish them well in their future

00:45:53.480 endeavors but doesn't say anything about their accomplishments or anything like you basically

00:45:58.100 know they were fired and are getting or being able to say they resigned but it was probably messy

00:46:02.380 Like, I would not wish my worst enemy well in their future endeavors. 1.00

00:46:06.940 If somebody wishes somebody well in their future endeavors, shit is messy, shit is bad. 1.00

00:46:11.360 They fuck, there's bad blood there. 1.00

00:46:12.920 So let's talk about how Linda Yacrimino left X. 0.99

00:46:16.800 She posted a very nice message about how she shared Elon's vision for protecting free speech and making X an everything app.

00:46:24.780 Musk responded to her resignation with a succinct, you might even say a little bit icy response.

00:46:31.700 thanks for your contributions uh so that i mean i don't have any tea there but that if i was a

00:46:41.880 betting woman i would say there's some drama behind the scenes because typically when somebody

00:46:45.960 resigns and they're like here's a glowing lovely post the other person in leadership there

00:46:51.680 generally is like oh we're so thankful for their contributions like this thing and that thing and

00:46:57.020 this thing like there's some exchange of glowing positive back and forth i will say elon musk's

00:47:03.920 response little terse all right so i i find that curious wow elon musk being weird about other

00:47:12.400 people and power and like crazy who would have thought yeah who would have thought that that is

00:47:18.320 giving like like i definitely have set texts uh similar to that but it's been like all right

00:47:27.100 thank you for like like the passive aggressive like aha leave me alone now like we're done

00:47:33.220 we're done i will say a day after she announced her resignation uh her blue check mark was removed

00:47:40.260 her verified check mark was removed from x which petty petty petty like come on so that that i feel

00:47:48.020 like says more to me than musk's terse little statement i think so i i think there's drama here

00:47:55.680 and i think we're gonna you might get more information later but i i i don't know that i

00:48:01.120 sense bad blood however i do have thoughts you know yakarino she came from the ad and media

00:48:07.280 world specifically nbc universal she was really brought on to revive x's doomed ad revenue it

00:48:14.820 Turns out nobody wants to spend money on a Nazi website when like the head of that website is going on TV and being like, screw you advertisers, I don't need your money.

00:48:23.580 We did note in one episode that a lot of her success wooing back advertisers was essentially extortion where they would threaten to sue brands who did not advertise on X. 0.63

00:48:37.740 And those brands basically were like, OK, we'll rather pay this bribe than get involved with a legal back and forth with these ghouls.

00:48:45.740 And so it turns out extortion. There's a reason why criminals use it. It's very effective.

00:48:50.880 I do love how like shocking. Yeah. Their big innovation is always like low key criminal behavior.

00:48:55.500 Like Musk is like, oh, what if what if we bribe them? What if we get extortion?

00:49:00.240 Has anyone considered crimes?

00:49:04.240 Gene, that is why Elon Musk

00:49:06.180 is the super genius that he is.

00:49:10.280 Real life Tony Stark.

00:49:12.700 Sorry, this is a tangent.

00:49:14.240 The first time I was introduced

00:49:15.680 to Elon Musk as a figure

00:49:17.380 was this was way back

00:49:19.060 when he was still the Democrat, darling.

00:49:21.000 Oh my gosh.

00:49:21.840 And it was in an interview.

00:49:23.060 I think it was like,

00:49:24.040 it was one of the late night shows.

00:49:25.480 It was like Stephen Colbert or something.

00:49:26.520 My parents were watching it

00:49:27.420 and my mom was like,

00:49:28.660 oh yeah, no, I really like him.

00:49:29.680 He's like,

00:49:30.240 He's like Iron Man in real life.

00:49:31.720 And so my brain is always like, see, and I hate Iron Man. 0.99

00:49:36.320 So clearly those movies suck. 0.95

00:49:38.520 And this is what led us where we are today. 0.99

00:49:41.340 This is all Robert Downey Jr.'s fault.

00:49:43.740 I'm with you.

00:49:45.440 One day I'll do a full episode about it.

00:49:47.180 Oh my God, I have to admit, I've never seen Iron Man.

00:49:51.200 They're, I loved them when I was a kid.

00:49:53.920 They're great, like superhero movies.

00:49:55.800 i did watch them again in college at one point with my friend because his girlfriend hadn't seen

00:50:01.860 them forever and um they're they are super racist movies and um that was not something that stuck

00:50:09.740 with me when i was a kid um and i think hearing my friend's girlfriend be like so they're speaking

00:50:15.440 the wrong dialect of arabic and here's i go through the specific like i was like oh no you

00:50:21.160 know you might be anyways i think there's there's many most superhero movies you could argue like

00:50:28.280 they're bad they're part of the military industrial complex i have my own specific

00:50:31.700 beef with those movies because they are literally like that that is number one like that is peak

00:50:36.140 military industrial like post 9 11 like yay anyways uh but yeah my theory is that is why

00:50:45.320 we have elon musk where he is now and and he's so wrapped up in the military like it does with

00:50:50.860 trucks because i think he got to his head i think he's got the ego now because that was the thing

00:50:55.060 was like they brought him out on this show and they were like see real like i think they made

00:50:58.820 him think like yes i'm this like superhero super genius dude anyways so you're definitely coming

00:51:05.100 back and we're doing a whole episode about the connection between iron man and elon musk for sure

00:51:11.340 It's all because of Elon Musk.

00:51:14.940 So you could maybe argue that Yaccarino had some success

00:51:21.700 wooing back advertisers in their low-key criminal way.

00:51:25.780 TechCrunch reports that ad spending was up 62% year over year

00:51:29.700 in the first half of 2025, mostly due to election-related spending,

00:51:34.360 though they never reached pre-Musk advertising spending on the platform.

00:51:37.900 So maybe you say, okay, well, she had some successes,

00:51:40.560 But friend of the show, Nora Benavidez, one of my favorite humans in the world,

00:51:45.060 senior counsel and director of digital justice and civil rights for Free Press, said in a statement,

00:51:49.180 It is as ludicrous as it is offensive for Yaccarino to frame her time at X as a win for free speech.

00:51:56.020 Musk hired her to lure back advertisers fleeing the platform after he turned it into a cesspool of hate and disinformation.

00:52:02.920 Yaccarino's legacy is her failure to manipulate companies to advertise at previous levels. 1.00

00:52:07.860 And now she's trying to mask that failure in First Amendment rhetoric.

00:52:12.380 No one is vying that X is a free speech platform.

00:52:15.260 It's a megaphone for bigotry, conspiracy theories, and bullying people into silence.

00:52:20.160 Musk has no interest in upholding free expression or protecting platform users.

00:52:24.480 It's essential to name the harm clearly and reclaim free speech as a force for truth and

00:52:29.980 democracy, not a shield for those who profit from undermining it.

00:52:34.400 Ouch, Nora.

00:52:35.600 Mic drop.

00:52:36.240 yeah can't say i disagree with that oh me like that was written like a like a kendrick lamar

00:52:43.960 style diss track so yaccarino's departure comes after x's chatbot grok who they built to sort of

00:52:50.960 rival woke chat gpt went full-on like nazi rapist so this is not me saying this this is grok saying

00:53:02.080 this grok now is referring to himself as mecca hitler that's not so this is not me putting words 0.72

00:53:08.300 in grok's mouth i'm this i'm just telling you what grok told me i can't this is like i like this if

00:53:15.680 this were a movie it would be too heavy-handed like i'd be like what do you mean it's mecca

00:53:20.140 hitler what do you mean elon musk's chatbot is calling itself mecca hitler i wish i wish i could

00:53:27.720 get in a time machine and go back like 10 years and go to like 15 year old me and be like

00:53:32.760 one day you're gonna have to deal with mecca hitler like like youth joey will be like what

00:53:39.500 are you what are you saying what the hell so basically you know it's no secret to anybody

00:53:44.580 that musk was annoyed at what he perceived as liberal woke mind bias and grok so he had his 0.80

00:53:50.700 engineers restrain it on new data that favored sites like 4chan that was just full of hate

00:53:56.480 speech. As they say, garbage in, garbage out. Musk said, we have improved Grok significantly. 0.99

00:54:03.340 You should notice a difference when you ask Grok questions. So yeah, a day later,

00:54:08.260 this chatbot was calling itself Mecca Hitler. Elsewhere on the platform, neo-Nazi accounts

00:54:12.600 were goading Grok into, quote, recommending a second Holocaust. Grok was giving out specific

00:54:18.300 instructions on how one could break into the home of Will Stancil, a former Democratic candidate who

00:54:23.240 ran for Minnesota's House of Representatives last year, and how one could sexually assault him.

00:54:29.360 Minnesota is the state where the Speaker of the House was recently assassinated, so that's

00:54:32.780 particularly vile. Grok also sexually harassed Linda Yaccarino herself. It produced a revolting 0.93

00:54:41.320 sexually explicit exchange, which I won't get into here, basically about Yaccarino having sex 1.00

00:54:46.240 with Black men. So yeah, I guess Grok and Twitter really is the everything app because it does 0.98

00:54:52.380 racism, antisemitism, and misogyny. So people were sort of saying like, oh, we bet this ugliness

00:54:59.040 with Grok is why Yaccarino quit. For what it's worth, the journalist Kira Swisher, who's pretty

00:55:03.760 plugged into the tech industry, does not think that Yaccarino stepping down had anything to do

00:55:09.420 with Mecca Hitler. She said, the Mecca Hitler controversy was not it, by the way. I guess she

00:55:15.620 sided with Trump over Musk. And also without the Trump card, it was likely going to be hard to

00:55:20.000 shakedown advertisers with threats of lawsuits. And finally, Threads is close to being as big

00:55:24.700 as X, along with new competitors like Blue Sky. It was also reported that Yaccarino had already

00:55:29.840 talked to people internally at X about stepping down before Grok went full Nazi rapist. 0.87

00:55:35.960 Yeah, I mean, I feel like at that point, if you're hanging on right up until 0.88

00:55:43.480 mecha hitler at that point you're just in endorsing mecha hitler like you were you were

00:55:51.780 like i'm fine with all of like now that we put a name on it it doesn't make any difference it

00:55:59.280 was still like you know grok has been doing this for what feels like decades now i think has only

00:56:06.020 been a couple of months but it does feel like decades i do want to bring up really quick because

00:56:12.100 i saw this post on tumblr recently and it made me think of this show just thinking about like all of

00:56:17.880 the shit that's gone down in like 10 years and like how ridiculous stuff is now there was this

00:56:24.060 post somebody that i saw i'm gonna read the post and then i'm gonna tell you the date it says okay 0.96

00:56:28.800 this is from tumblr internet politics and real world politics have gotten so separated and pretty

00:56:34.400 soon all of this internet weirdness is going to come crashing into real life and politicians are

00:56:39.400 going to start throwing around words like sjw and anime communist and dark enlightenment and it's 0.95

00:56:45.120 just going to be the most ridiculous fucking thing this is from april 13th 2015 wow this was 0.86

00:56:53.400 10 years ago at the prophecy and like somebody like i could sort of somebody put the like the 0.96

00:56:58.200 gif of like ben affleck smoking and looking like dead but it was like oh like yeah you're because

00:57:04.620 i don't know this is something i keep going back to because you brought up like fortan and stuff

00:57:07.520 like that like we've talked about the show i grew up very on the internet like i was really

00:57:11.720 in the tumblr at that point i was a teenager i knew about all this shit because i i was on tumblr

00:57:17.040 and it was like the other side of it like you see people making fun of people on poor chan and

00:57:21.000 whatever now all of this stuff is just mainstream politics yeah and it is sort of like why is all

00:57:26.180 the weird like niche like it's all the weird kid stuff from that era that now for some reason is

00:57:33.440 like this anyways but yeah um i just think it's something to to think about when we think about

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01:00:46.220 okay so really quickly if you have been online shopping at Walmart or Costco in the state of

01:00:54.560 Virginia lately you might have gotten a warning pop-up on your web browser that said quote

01:01:00.600 Virginia law requires your consent to collect or use information about your potential or actual

01:01:06.420 purchase of reproductive or sexual health products or services. It goes on to say that

01:01:11.940 viewing, searching, and buying all constitute consent and ends with, if you do not consent,

01:01:18.260 please avoid viewing, searching for, or purchasing these products, services, or features. And that

01:01:24.120 is because new Virginia state legislation took place on July 1st that prohibits obtaining,

01:01:29.220 selling, or disclosing reproductive or sexual health information without consent. So this

01:01:33.840 covers things like pregnancy tests, birth control, and abortion medication. So I'm from Virginia. I

01:01:39.940 live in D.C., which is basically Virginia, like Northern Virginia in some ways. So I saw a lot of

01:01:44.560 my Virginia friends posting about this and asking questions about it, assuming understandably that

01:01:49.760 this was like big governments spying on their intimate, reproductive, and sexual health purchases.

01:01:55.000 But actually, this law prohibits stores from collecting information about your private

01:02:00.380 purchases without your consent. So essentially, Walmart has always been doing this. Costco has

01:02:06.340 always been doing this. But this new law now requires them to tell you that they've always

01:02:10.920 been doing it. State Senator, Virginia State Senator Barbara Favola, who sponsored this

01:02:16.380 legislation, said these are intimate purchases. These are purchases that nobody should know what

01:02:20.960 you're doing, what you're buying or why. And I want the privacy insured. She basically said that

01:02:26.380 this legislation was needed in states with strict abortion restrictions because there is

01:02:30.200 concerned that private information could be used to prosecute somebody obtaining abortion medication

01:02:35.420 out of state. She said, we wrote the bill in a way that we thought could be easily honored.

01:02:39.680 I don't think anybody had inside knowledge on how Walmart or Costco or other big retailers

01:02:43.860 are collecting the data, how they're storing it and what they are doing with it. So as weird as

01:02:50.240 it is to go to Walmart.com and get this kind of pop up, I do. I am like very supportive of the

01:02:56.460 spirit of this law. I'm a little bit skeptical about the impact because it's not like people

01:03:00.820 can opt out from having their data stored. That data is just very, very valuable for online

01:03:07.020 retailers. And I guess it's sort of telling to me that Walmart would rather lose you as a customer

01:03:12.780 by telling you, oh, if you don't consent, don't make this purchase here, then provide you an easy

01:03:18.960 way to opt out from having your data about your sensitive purchase or searching tracked. I have

01:03:25.440 not seen any data about this but i would imagine that people who saw that pop-up probably just

01:03:30.460 dismissed it and continued to purchase but you know saying like oh weed it's fine if you don't

01:03:35.120 want to buy from us that's fine just you know go go on your digital way i feel like that's

01:03:40.660 really telling to me that the data must be worth a ton for them yeah yeah it is like i like i agree

01:03:48.520 it is like one of those things where it's like okay i guess this is better than nothing like

01:03:51.880 it's good that they're at least saying something but still it's like oh that's not good and i do

01:04:00.140 not i don't know yeah the the whole this is making me think too like this was like this was a story

01:04:05.720 from like a couple weeks back but like have you like bridget i'm sure i i use like partiful a lot

01:04:12.040 for like yeah organizing events and stuff and there was like a whole story that came out that

01:04:15.600 it was like run by the same guys that are like the penalty guys um and like it was one of those

01:04:20.740 things where I saw a lot of people being like oh right like if you're you have this free service

01:04:25.120 like you are the data that they're you're using this free service but it makes sense when you

01:04:30.060 think about it like this is a great way to track people and track their movements and track their

01:04:34.120 connections and whatever and it's like something like that was a thought I had a moment where I

01:04:37.980 to like think and be like or things like Venmo like you know people all the time will use like

01:04:43.400 they'll put like stupid jokes in their like Venmo requests and it's like that can turn into something

01:04:48.860 that somebody could use as like evidence against you it could be a particle and like i don't know 0.96

01:04:54.060 like i was like i'm not gonna lie i am the kind of person that i totally would like send a be like

01:04:58.520 abortion party y'all come to joey's abortion party

01:05:04.440 to the fbi man listening that's not happening um it was canceled it was canceled yeah we i just did

01:05:14.260 an episode on stuff i never told you all about um whether or not whatsapp is secure and sort of

01:05:21.380 long story short it's mostly secure it's probably fine but if you have any if you if you are talking

01:05:26.560 about anything at all sensitive you should be using signal and you know it is like you know if

01:05:32.500 you're if you're making any kind of purchase like this that you that might be broadly considered

01:05:38.000 in in this category of sensitive stuff use cash like whenever we talk about this kind of thing

01:05:43.320 people listening are like oh well they already got me like what like what difference does it make

01:05:47.040 it that's called digital nihilism or surveillance nihilism it's a it's a it's the wrong attitude to

01:05:53.180 take i fall into that a lot too i mean very easy like i have had a lot but it's like oh there's

01:05:58.600 also specific specific things where like yeah i mean i mentioned i don't use period tracker app i

01:06:02.600 like there are certain things that i'm like i know i need to have cash on hand just yeah like 0.52

01:06:08.820 you never fucking know and again this is all like for the most part right now like you know

01:06:15.540 cautionary like luckily i've not been in a situation where like i've been in danger but i 0.98

01:06:21.180 mean you brought up the in the last story that the minnesota shooting too where like that

01:06:26.260 occurred because of publicly like information that was available like data that had been

01:06:30.560 bought by data brokers this is a reality like we live in a surveillance state that has never before

01:06:38.500 been possible. Exactly. And it doesn't take much. And most of these, like, it's like signal is free,

01:06:46.240 right? Keep like not having a period tracker and just using pen and paper. That's free. It does

01:06:50.240 not take much to do basic steps to protect your data, protect your privacy. You know, there was

01:06:57.020 an old adage that's like, oh, well, you wouldn't have to do that if you have something to hide.

01:07:01.440 In 2025, all of us have something to hide, right? If you've got something to lose, you've got

01:07:05.620 something to hide, something to protect. It's not being paranoid to take basic steps to protect

01:07:10.540 your data. And I think in 2025, we all should be taking basic steps to protect our data,

01:07:14.960 especially when it's like you probably don't have to take more involved or expensive measures. If

01:07:21.000 you do the free, easy, common sense stuff, you'll be you'll probably be good. Like there's there's

01:07:26.880 no in 2025. We cannot nobody can afford surveillance or digital nihilism. We have to

01:07:33.280 do what we got to do to protect ourselves

01:07:35.540 and our communities. It's like the baseline

01:07:37.620 of what we... We shouldn't have to do it,

01:07:39.740 but unfortunately, we do.

01:07:42.160 Exactly. I mean,

01:07:43.620 it's... Yeah.

01:07:46.100 I was thinking about this recently

01:07:47.480 because I'll be real, I love

01:07:49.220 Find My Phone. I love

01:07:51.000 having my friends' locations and getting to see

01:07:53.440 really hard. Wait, is this... I read

01:07:55.540 that young people, they always have

01:07:57.540 their locations on with their friends. Is this true?

01:07:59.900 Yeah. I'll be real.

01:08:01.580 Like, I was kind of resistant to the idea.

01:08:04.760 At first, like, I would only really share my location.

01:08:08.440 Like, if somebody needed my location for, like, to find, like,

01:08:11.360 like, we were, like, trying to find each other, like, a crowded thing,

01:08:13.320 I would give it to them for, like, a day, and then that was it.

01:08:16.560 And then eventually, at some point, I was, like, oh, well, I don't know.

01:08:20.620 What the hell?

01:08:21.100 It's, like, my friends.

01:08:22.820 It was also, I think, like, I, like, live with roommates,

01:08:24.820 and it's nice to, like, be able to check in with each other and stuff like that.

01:08:28.460 But like, yeah, I mean, I think the like the benefit of it is it's like nice sometimes to be able to like if I'm out at a party with some friends and people are leaving at different times, it's nice to be able to check that like people got home.

01:08:41.680 okay or like my I don't live in the same state as my parents so I know like my mom likes that she

01:08:49.180 can you know check to make sure that like me and my sister are home and safe and not you know

01:08:56.000 floating in the middle of the Hudson River or something but also it is objectively weird like

01:09:02.320 I don't know it's it's like I think it is useful and I do it like I do have my location shared

01:09:10.200 with a lot of people at least with iphones it's sort of like i know that like if i were in a

01:09:15.000 situation where like i didn't want to be tracked i could just leave it at home or like turn it off

01:09:20.040 or something so there's that but yeah it is like objectively kind of weird but it's nice it's nice

01:09:28.420 to just like to know where people are at well how do you lie about i'm on my way to meet you and

01:09:34.700 you're really in the shower how like if you search your location well all of my friends that have my

01:09:39.320 If you have my location, if we're close enough friends to have my location, you know that I will be, like, two hours late.

01:09:44.600 So, um, so that if that if you're mad at me for saying I'm on my way and you're like, you're still home, that's not you.

01:09:50.400 I this is. But. Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, I do say all of this also acknowledging that it is like.

01:09:58.540 Also weird and like definitely a product of the surveillance state and like how much surveillance has been normalized.

01:10:06.980 so i don't know if i'm like super glad that this is the thing that exists that is like the norm

01:10:14.480 but i do participate in it so i don't know yeah i mean it's just another reason why like

01:10:20.880 like basic free digital best practices i think we should all be doing them if people want to

01:10:27.940 know where they can start get in touch with me i'm happy this like it's like a thing it's like

01:10:31.640 a thing i love talking about so like yeah you should all feel like i should hit you about this

01:10:35.560 because i definitely have too much information out there that um not the fun kind the kind that

01:10:41.720 would get me doxed but uh i mean i hope not uh don't no no one dox me yeah people listening

01:10:47.900 don't that's joey please please don't well joey can i hit you with just a pure can we end with

01:10:56.820 just some pure unsubstantiated rumor oh please i love unsubstantiated rumors favorite thing okay 0.99

01:11:04.060 So last month, Lauren Sanchez was on the cover of Vogue.

01:11:08.480 And I remember seeing this and thinking, that's surprising.

01:11:11.740 This is a surprising choice.

01:11:13.320 I did not.

01:11:14.100 I never thought I'd see the day when Lauren Sanchez famously recently married to Jeff Bezos.

01:11:19.440 So I found all this surprising.

01:11:20.900 And when I saw it, I remember thinking, is Bezos about to buy Vogue?

01:11:26.020 I had no inside information.

01:11:27.620 This was just my gut, just a thought that popped into my head when I saw this magazine.

01:11:31.800 Then Anna Wintour announced last month that she was stepping down as Vogue's editor-in-cheat after 37 years.

01:11:38.000 She'll remain in control of global operations.

01:11:40.460 So I also found this surprising because Anna Wintour seems like somebody who would, like, die in her office rather than give up one iota of leadership or power. 0.96

01:11:49.800 That seems to be her vibe to me. 0.99

01:11:51.120 She has kind of a Pope energy, you know. 1.00

01:11:53.160 She does. My favorite Anna Wintour story is that she, if you, she, she's based on the movie,

01:12:00.060 the book, The Devil Wears Prada. She's supposed to be like, she's an Amanda Priestley type.

01:12:04.600 I was going to say Edna Mode from Incredibles, but also that.

01:12:07.920 Yes, yes. Same hair.

01:12:09.840 Yeah. I was like, of course, the most famous character she's based on and Meryl Streep.

01:12:14.660 So the story is that, so like Anna Wintour is not, is like kind of known for being not a nice

01:12:20.300 person I actually don't like Anna Wintour if you've read um Andre Leon Talley's memoir I was

01:12:25.780 like I will hate her forever oh same the Condé Nast firings when she like didn't even take her

01:12:30.340 sunglasses off that was like the nail like I already didn't like her but I was like oh so

01:12:34.740 you're like evil same like it's I don't think that you have to be like I I think that to rise

01:12:42.860 up in leadership you have to be decisive you have to be confident you have to be assertive

01:12:48.380 maybe aggressive. Sure. You don't have to be an asshole. Like, I guess I just don't like this

01:12:53.600 idea that, oh, can you believe, like, she's so cold and mean and unempathetic. It makes her a 0.86

01:12:59.540 great leader. No, you can be a good leader. Like, being an asshole is a choice. Not taking off your

01:13:04.580 sunglasses when you're firing people and laying them off. That's a choice. You don't have to,

01:13:09.800 that's a choice to behave in that way. So, you know, they used to call Conde Nast Conde Nasty

01:13:15.940 because that was the attitude that permeated from the top.

01:13:19.180 And my favorite story about this is that apparently,

01:13:22.240 allegedly at a Condé Nast Christmas party,

01:13:25.760 everybody knew that you weren't supposed to look Anna Wintour in the eyes.

01:13:29.780 And so if you saw Anna Wintour,

01:13:31.120 you were meant to like avert your gaze and basically ignore her.

01:13:33.860 And that at a Christmas party, Anna Wintour had a bad fall.

01:13:38.000 Like she fell over or tripped over something.

01:13:40.020 And like, it was one of those falls where it was very noisy.

01:13:43.520 Like maybe she took down a tray of drinks as well.

01:13:45.940 But nobody, if you had that kind of fall, people would rush over and help you and be like, are you okay?

01:13:51.640 And nobody said a word.

01:13:53.540 Everybody just pretended like this loud calamity of a fall did not happen because she had set the agenda of like, do not approach me.

01:14:02.280 Do not look me in the eye.

01:14:03.800 And part of me is like, oh, it looks like you reap what you sow. 0.99

01:14:06.040 No one's going to help your ass up because you've been so mean to everybody the last few years. 0.96

01:14:10.000 yeah I you brought up Devil Wears Prada which you know what maybe this is just a giant publicity 0.97

01:14:16.340 stunt for Devil Wears Prada 2 which is apparently happening oh I'll watch that I'm sure it'll be

01:14:21.200 terrible I'll watch it I'm sure it's gonna be awful but um I have a love-hate relationship

01:14:25.920 with that movie because like I think it's a good movie I saw it not long ago like I didn't see

01:14:32.340 when it came out I saw it like a couple years ago um and I my first because I had heard all the

01:14:37.260 like oh the boyfriend's the real villain like she's and then I watched it and I was like oh

01:14:41.120 this is a movie about an abusive boss like what do you mean like I was like sure yeah the boyfriend's

01:14:47.040 not great like whatever but I was like yeah I also would be or like her friend like I was like

01:14:52.060 I would be concerned if one of my friends was in this situation like I probably also would be like

01:14:56.760 yeah like are you good like if you like are you sure this is the path I don't know like I was

01:15:02.120 like I don't know to me that's I was like she was awful like I was like the whole point is

01:15:07.260 Meryl Streep's character is terrible. 0.96

01:15:10.300 Like, I was like, she's not, like, a girl boss. 1.00

01:15:12.660 Like, she is a girl. 0.93

01:15:13.460 She maybe is, like, the epitome of that girl boss demonism stuff,

01:15:17.000 which is not good, which is still bad.

01:15:20.880 Maybe the real villain of the movie is the person

01:15:23.140 who is flinging her coat in someone's, 0.99

01:15:25.480 in her underling's face every single goddamn day. 0.99

01:15:27.980 But maybe in the new one, Jeff Bezos will be the new Miranda Presley, 0.99

01:15:34.120 and then it'll be a totally mutate.

01:15:36.860 i don't know it could be jeff bezos who i mean i i suspected i was like i think he might be about

01:15:44.520 to buy condé nest it could be lauren sanchez so the so again i want to say this is this is all

01:15:51.400 rumor however stylecaster quoted an anonymous source so take it with a rain of salt the rumor

01:15:57.640 is that jeff is going to buy condé nest it is all anyone's talking about in the fashion industry

01:16:02.500 at Inside Vogue, adding, Lauren Sanchez is such an unlikely cover star, and the word is that she

01:16:08.620 landed the July issue partly because the Newhouse family, who currently owns Condé Nast, wants to

01:16:14.360 butter up Bezos. In New York, they're slimming down the business, which is exactly what companies do

01:16:19.060 before a sale. And that is not all. Anna Wintour is said to be directly involved in a possible sale.

01:16:25.080 The source says, Anna is said to be the one brokering the deal, so that's why Lauren was

01:16:29.020 from a cover. Anna has equity in the business, so she has a lot to gain from a sale. So who knows?

01:16:35.740 Lauren Sanchez does have a background in like, I guess, like entertainment media, entertainment

01:16:41.720 journalism, I guess I'll call it that. And so if he did buy Condé Nast, it would stand to reason

01:16:48.700 that she could be the person, like the new Anna Wintour, running Vogue. God, can you imagine?

01:16:53.660 Background in entertainment journalism is like a cursed thing to have,

01:16:59.020 As some as two people who have delved into entertainment journalism.

01:17:04.420 Joey, I don't know. Let me tell you. I could tell we got I could tell you. I could tell you.

01:17:10.760 I actually brought up a story about a specific celebrity that I crossed paths with in my time doing celebrity journalism and celebrity media.

01:17:21.220 I'm trying to decide if I should cut it out of the episode.

01:17:24.820 if folks are curious it's the episode i guess i'll do a little bit of a plug i'm talking to

01:17:31.180 ashley and claire of the podcast celebrity memoir book club in a recent episode and there i tell a

01:17:36.560 story about one specific celebrity who her antics almost cost me my job she has fallen way out of

01:17:44.540 public favor like had a very very public downfall and i'm wrestling with whether or not i should cut

01:17:50.460 this and it's going out because I don't think I've ever shared it publicly if I will tell you

01:17:54.540 who it is off mic um I want to know if folks want a hint I will give one hint cucumber if you know

01:18:03.640 you know that that is a bit that is a big hint and I'll just leave it at that so I do think that

01:18:10.740 like Lauren's the idea of Jeffrey Bezos buying Conde Nast and then bringing his wife Lauren

01:18:19.140 sanchez on as editor-in-chief of vogue it does kind of fit with this idea of them really trying

01:18:25.580 to buy their way into a certain kind of class and status and influence i think part of that whole

01:18:32.100 space mission like he also sent lauren sanchez in addition to katie perry that you know ultimately

01:18:37.340 was like not good i think that they're i think that he really wants to be like we are a dynamic

01:18:43.880 worldly classy influential couple but like it doesn't matter how you can be a billionaire you

01:18:49.680 can't buy that like you can't buy your way into people thinking that you're you know someone with

01:18:54.600 depth and class wow i cannot believe the show there are no girls on the internet is uh taking

01:19:00.560 down women for the all-female what what was it it was like blue earth or something wasn't it 1.00

01:19:08.480 Blue origin. 1.00

01:19:10.080 Blue origin.

01:19:11.580 It is like my.

01:19:12.740 Katy Perry.

01:19:13.800 It is my Roman Empire.

01:19:15.740 Somebody, I don't remember where I read this, but somebody was like, I want to see a Veep

01:19:19.460 style show where a Katy Perry figure is like, has like fallen in public favor and she keeps

01:19:25.560 trying to like do stunts to get back on everybody's good side, but they keep failing in more and 0.78

01:19:30.300 more spectacular ways.

01:19:31.660 I would watch that show.

01:19:32.920 I would watch that show.

01:19:34.340 We did it. 0.99

01:19:35.080 It's a, it's a woman's world. 0.85

01:19:36.640 and were whatever didn't work so she was like it's a it's a woman's universe it's a woman it's a

01:19:42.080 galaxy it's a woman's galaxy i i also do think it's funny that like all the celebrities that

01:19:49.700 went to that wedding got sort of shamed and clowned for it yeah that was something where i

01:19:54.700 was like you know what i have hope for humanity but seeing all of the protests too like shout out

01:20:00.040 to the people of venice like you know what y'all showed up y'all also like pulled up talking about

01:20:06.160 the real like environmental impacts of all this which yeah like i mean if you know anything about

01:20:11.360 venice it's sinking like it is going to be like a soon casualty of climate change and uh yeah no 0.98

01:20:19.220 like good for the people of venice for actually like being like fuck these guys um if they choose 0.98

01:20:24.960 to do the wedding here like we're gonna make it miserable absolutely agree i guess we'll end with 0.98

01:20:29.740 friend of the show who's never been on but has an open invite luan de la setz of real housewives

01:20:35.440 of new york count as luan money can't value class elegance is learned absolutely joey this has been

01:20:41.720 this you're so fun to talk about like random internet stories with thank you i i do spend a

01:20:47.840 lot of time online so me too yeah yeah you're probably the only person that i think is as

01:20:54.100 online as myself and it's i really i appreciate it like i feel yeah it's like i'm like somebody

01:21:00.240 else gets the well we could do well one day do like a panel of like the millennial gen z

01:21:05.840 find more people to do the oh you know what's funny you're you you're gen z i am gen z very

01:21:13.820 online i'm a millennial very online producer mike is gen x not online isn't that interesting

01:21:21.300 interesting you know i think that really is so maybe that should be we'll do an episode at one

01:21:26.580 point it'll be the two of us oh that's good it'll be like a cross-generational gen z or gen z to

01:21:33.460 millennial to gen x trying to understand different uh internet like i'm always having to explain to

01:21:41.440 mike like the other day i'm like you did you see this woman on tiktok bought an anti-pasto salad

01:21:45.660 to the fourth of july cookout and they were so mean to her and he'll say like well i don't know

01:21:49.180 what you're talking about who are these people i had a i have like boomer gen x cuss parents and

01:21:55.360 my mom a message to me recently on instagram with this like new york times video that was talking

01:21:59.680 about vertical content and she was like what does this mean what is vertical content and i sent her

01:22:04.960 like multiple voice because also i was like this is the stuff that i love like i was like this is

01:22:09.540 the stuff i nerd out about like i will totally i sent her like multiple voice messages about it

01:22:12.960 and she was like okay yeah i get it like whenever i was like yeah i was like no but i was like you

01:22:17.740 asked me like i was like anyways they know that was a moment where i was like wow i get to explain 0.86

01:22:22.120 this to you you're welcome love having to be the person who explains internet shit to people who 0.87

01:22:30.560 think they want to know but maybe don't really want to know that like like all the meaty details 0.96

01:22:36.780 that you and i would surely provide i needed a two-sentence answer i need the whole breakdown

01:22:42.320 of the socio-political impacts of all this and uh i think i i sent a whole thing to me like and this

01:22:48.540 is how it's changing the way that movies are shot and she was like i was asking about

01:22:52.420 how it's political campaigns this i don't care um but uh you know joey where can folks keep up 0.54

01:23:02.500 with all this cool shit that you are doing on our chronically online internet yeah well if yeah if 0.59

01:23:08.440 you want to find me chronically online you can find me on uh i'm on instagram at pat not pratt 0.65

01:23:14.020 also on twitter or slash x i saw somebody refer to it recently as like like twitter like they

01:23:21.280 wrote it like with an x and said like x i t i don't even know how you'd pronounce that anyways

01:23:26.980 i hate it but um i'm still gonna call it twitter you could find me on twitter or on instagram at

01:23:32.000 pat not prat that's p-a-t-t-n-o-t-p-r-a-t-t uh you could also check out my other shows that i work on

01:23:41.520 afterlives season two is out now it's all about marsh b johnson and you can also check out

01:23:48.480 outlaws which is another show on the unspoken network that is hosted by uh the iconic t.s

01:23:55.820 madison definitely some housewives crossover at some point but uh you know i've had to learn a

01:24:06.380 lot about reality tv working on this show which has been a big thing for me but uh yeah if you

01:24:10.840 ever need a crash course, you know where to find me. Absolutely. First call. Well,

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