There Are No Girls on the Internet - June 24, 2022


Kanye West ā€œassociateā€ and other Trump cronies threatened 2020 Georgia election workers

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00:01:46.180 on the Internet.
00:01:48.980 So here in the United States,
00:01:50.400 We're on day four of hearings around the deadly January 6th insurrection, where Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, believing Trump's repeated lies at the 2022 presidential election had been stolen from him and that he was the actual winner. 0.99
00:02:03.120 I obviously don't feel like I need to tell you that that was complete bullshit. 0.93
00:02:07.240 And it really goes to show the power and danger that can happen when lies and disinformation are weaponized. 0.99
00:02:12.920 People died.
00:02:14.560 Now, in that hearing, we heard the testimony of Ruby and Shea Freeman, and it really broke me.
00:02:21.260 And I think it's important for everyone to hear, in their own words, how their livelihoods and safety were jeopardized by racist, sexist lies.
00:02:29.060 So if you don't know, 62-year-old Ruby and her daughter, Shea Freeman, were both election workers in Fulton County, Georgia, a state where Trump legitimately lost, and where he would go on to pressure Georgia's Secretary of State to, quote, find votes for him.
00:02:42.860 In an attempt to cast doubt on the election, Trump and his henchmen Rudy Giuliani repeatedly named Ruby and Shea, both of whom are Black women, as specific election workers who were rigging the election in favor of Biden.
00:02:56.300 Now, this was an outright lie based on nothing, and it basically destroyed their lives.
00:03:01.920 Trump and his allies obtained video of the women and baselessly lied about those videos, saying they showed evidence of the women vote hampering.
00:03:10.200 In one video, Trump and Giuliani claimed the women carried suitcases with as many as 18,000 ballots, all for Joe Biden. 0.99
00:03:16.760 Complete bullshit. There aren't even suitcases in the video. 0.98
00:03:19.420 They were just the normal boxes that ballots are kept and moved in.
00:03:22.640 Trump also said that video of the women counting votes at the State Farm Arena showed the fraudulent processing of ballots. 0.99
00:03:28.660 Also bullshit. State officials repeatedly cleared the women and all election workers of any mishandling of votes. 0.96
00:03:34.800 Complete nonsense.
00:03:36.140 But none of this stopped Trump and his croonies from putting these women in real danger by repeatedly lying about it.
00:03:42.900 And we need to be really open about the ways that they specifically used racism and misogyny to fuel this attack. 0.61
00:03:49.020 I don't think these lies would have worked in the same way had Ruby and her daughter not been Black women,
00:03:53.920 who we know are disproportionately harmed by disinformation and online harassment.
00:03:58.600 Just listen to what Giuliani said about the women and tell me it is not a racist line of attack.
00:04:02.900 Tape earlier in the day of Ruby Freeman and Shea Freeman Morris and one other gentleman, quite obviously surreptitiously passing around USB ports as if they're vials of heroin or cocaine.
00:04:17.640 I mean, it's obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor, they are engaged in surreptitiously illegal activity.
00:04:25.120 Again, that day. And that's a week ago. And they're still walking around Georgia lying.
00:04:31.160 should have been questioned already.
00:04:37.400 Their places of work, their homes should have been searched
00:04:40.140 for evidence of ballots, for evidence of USB ports,
00:04:45.020 for evidence of voter fraud.
00:04:47.440 So Giuliani accuses the women of passing votes 0.85
00:04:49.900 on a USB drive back and forth,
00:04:51.600 which already, like, what?
00:04:54.660 But in reality...
00:04:56.200 What was your mom actually handing you on that video?
00:05:00.040 A ginger mint. 1.00
00:05:01.160 Trump also accused the women of vote tampering, baselessly attacking them by first and last name. 0.99
00:05:07.580 We had at least 18,000 that's on tape. We had them counted very painstakingly. 18,000 voters having to do with Ruby Freeman. She's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler.
00:05:28.180 Okay, so here's what I think people are not saying clear enough. 0.97
00:05:31.860 I think that Trump and Giuliani just saw a video of two Black women in Georgia
00:05:35.740 and knew that they could say that those Black women were the culprits, 1.00
00:05:39.240 that those Black women were liars, 1.00
00:05:40.980 and those Black women were the reason that Trump lost the election. 1.00
00:05:43.920 The same way that Trump has repeatedly attacked Black women, 0.97
00:05:46.980 like White House correspondent April Ryan,
00:05:49.460 I think that he knew that his base would be poised and ready to believe it 0.99
00:05:53.160 because they have a visceral hate and distrust and disdain for Black women. 0.97
00:05:56.980 and that they would be ready to believe that the visual of Black women working at a Georgia polling place 0.99
00:06:02.180 would be proof to convince them that something shady was going on. 0.89
00:06:06.880 They basically just said to their racist supporters,
00:06:09.100 Hey, look at this video. 0.81
00:06:10.400 It shows that Black women were involved in the vote counting process in Georgia, 0.97
00:06:13.980 and that should be evidence enough that the election was rigged. 0.77
00:06:16.720 His attacks really weaponized their identities against them 0.99
00:06:19.940 and relied on tropes about Black women being untrustworthy,
00:06:23.000 which we see time and time again with disinformation and online harassment. 1.00
00:06:26.980 This led to a flood of racist death threats and harassment against Ruby and Shea,
00:06:30.980 at first mostly centralized around Facebook Messenger.
00:06:34.260 Here's Shea's testimony.
00:06:36.040 So I'm just asking him, like, where are the messages?
00:06:39.180 All I see is the feeds.
00:06:40.260 Like, how do you get to the messages?
00:06:41.520 And he said, it's another icon on your phone that says Messenger.
00:06:46.500 And I went to that icon, and it was just a lot of horrible things there.
00:06:53.200 And those horrible things, did they include threats?
00:06:55.500 Yes, a lot of threats, wishing death upon me, telling me that, you know, I'll be in jail with my mother and saying things like, be glad it's 2020 and not 1920. 0.92
00:07:15.540 So obviously saying you'll be glad it's 2020 and not 1920 is a reference to her being lynched and killed, which is just disgusting.
00:07:23.840 And Shay's testimony about how she felt is really heartbreaking.
00:07:27.760 I felt horrible.
00:07:29.900 I felt like it was all my fault.
00:07:32.020 Like, if I would have never decided to be an elections worker,
00:07:37.740 like, I could have done anything else.
00:07:40.700 But that's what I decided to do.
00:07:42.760 And now people are lying and spreading rumors and lies and attacking my mom.
00:07:49.900 I'm her only child.
00:07:50.960 going to my grandmother's house, her only grandchild, and my kid.
00:07:59.220 It's just, I felt so bad.
00:08:04.020 I just felt bad for my mom, and I felt horrible for picking this job
00:08:09.500 and being the one that always wants to help and always there,
00:08:14.400 never missing that one election.
00:08:16.600 And I just felt like it was my fault for putting my family in this situation.
00:08:22.760 Shay's mom, Ruby, describes how she was always so proud of her nickname, Lady Ruby,
00:08:27.280 and how as a business owner and community staple in Georgia, everybody knew her as Lady Ruby.
00:08:32.020 She even had a staple shirt with Lady Ruby bedazzled on it that she wore all the time.
00:08:36.360 But because of Trump and his camp's lies, she no longer even uses her name because it doesn't feel safe.
00:08:42.300 She says she hasn't worn that shirt since 2020.
00:08:44.360 Now I won't even introduce myself by my name anymore. I get nervous when I bump into someone
00:08:53.300 I know in the grocery store who says my name. I'm worried about who's listening.
00:09:01.160 I get nervous when I have to give my name for food orders. I'm always concerned of who's around me.
00:09:07.820 I've lost my name and I've lost my reputation.
00:09:12.460 I've lost my sense of security, all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally, Rudy Giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, Shea, to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen.
00:09:35.860 Shay and Ruby, once pillars of their community, have basically been resigned to a life of hiding for their own safety.
00:09:43.160 Ms. Moss, how has this experience of being targeted by the former president and his allies affected your life?
00:09:50.820 It's turned my life upside down.
00:09:58.120 I no longer give out my business card.
00:10:01.580 I don't transfer calls.
00:10:05.100 I don't want anyone knowing my name.
00:10:08.900 I don't want to go anywhere with my mom 0.99
00:10:10.660 because she might yell my name out over the grocery aisle or something.
00:10:14.360 I don't go to the grocery store at all.
00:10:17.120 I haven't been anywhere at all.
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00:13:35.340 Now, this detail didn't come up in the hearing at all, but I wanted to talk about it because I think it adds some important, if not totally what-the-fuck context. 0.97
00:13:44.220 In addition to the mixed bag of Trump croonies who you've probably heard about, 0.90
00:13:47.900 Ruby and Shea were also being harassed and threatened by a woman named Trevani Cootie.
00:13:52.940 Trevani was formerly a publicist for the R&B singer-slash-convicted sex criminal R. Kelly.
00:13:58.480 So yeah, it sure seems like she really knows how to pick men to associate herself with.
00:14:02.840 Trevani claims to have had some kind of association with rapper Kanye West,
00:14:07.100 who you may recall ran for president himself alongside Trump in 2020 before becoming a vocal Trump supporter.
00:14:12.500 According to NBC News, a biography of Trevani posted on the website of the Women's Global Initiative, a business networking conference, identified her as a member of the, quote, Young Black Leadership Council under President Donald Trump.
00:14:25.580 And that same biography noted that in September of 2018, she, quote, was secured as a publicist to Kanye West and now serves as West's director of operations.
00:14:35.940 Now, I should also say that Kanye West's camp says that Trevani was not associated with him.
00:14:40.840 here's a statement they released.
00:14:42.320 Trevani Coote was not associated with Kanye West
00:14:44.800 or any of his enterprises at the time of the facts
00:14:47.840 that are reported in these articles
00:14:49.240 or since these facts occurred.
00:14:51.700 In any event, when Trevani showed up at Cheyenne Ruby's door,
00:14:55.100 the women understandably were pretty freaked out
00:14:57.400 and they called police to be present for the conversation.
00:15:00.400 Trevani told them that she was visiting
00:15:01.820 at the direction of a, quote,
00:15:03.700 high-profile individual who warned that
00:15:06.260 if the women did not confess to voter fraud allegations,
00:15:09.320 they would be arrested after 48 hours.
00:15:11.880 So if that's not enough, this is where it gets really weird.
00:15:14.900 According to Rolling Stone, the police body cam footage of the conversation
00:15:18.660 showed Trevani telling the women,
00:15:20.680 quote, I cannot tell you specifically what will take place.
00:15:23.460 I just know that it will disrupt your freedom
00:15:25.200 and the freedom of one or more of your family members.
00:15:28.260 You are a loose end for a party that needs to tidy up.
00:15:32.840 Kuti then put a man called Harrison Ford on speakerphone 1.00
00:15:36.640 who said that he could offer the women protection.
00:15:39.540 You're probably wondering,
00:15:40.740 is it that Harrison Ford from Indiana Jones and Star Wars?
00:15:43.960 I was thinking the same thing.
00:15:45.140 No, it is not.
00:15:46.280 But according to the body cam audio,
00:15:48.440 the man told the women,
00:15:50.080 if she confessed to voter fraud,
00:15:51.800 he would offer her legal protection.
00:15:53.540 But if she declined, she would go to jail.
00:15:56.420 So Ruby and Shay obviously did not believe this woman.
00:15:59.420 But later, because of the web of lies
00:16:02.520 that the Trump machine spread about them,
00:16:04.920 Trump supporters did show up to their home.
00:16:07.920 Back to Ruby's testimony.
00:16:10.380 Around the week of January 6th,
00:16:14.620 the FBI informed me that I needed to leave my home for safety.
00:16:23.660 And I left my home for safety around that time.
00:16:27.440 So they had to flee their home for their own safety,
00:16:30.340 which is bad enough.
00:16:31.480 But here's where it gets even scarier.
00:16:33.800 Trump supporters actually tried to break in to Shay's grandmother's home to make a, quote, citizen's arrest.
00:16:40.800 I received a call from my grandmother.
00:16:45.000 This woman is my everything.
00:16:47.880 I've never even heard her or seen her cry ever in my life.
00:16:54.460 And she called me, screaming at the top of her lungs, like, Shay, Shay, oh my God, Shay.
00:17:01.400 just freaking me out saying that um there are people at her home and they um you know they
00:17:11.480 knocked on the door and of course she opened it and seeing who was there who it was and they
00:17:17.120 just started pushing their way through claiming that they were coming in to make a citizen's
00:17:23.800 rest. They needed to find me and my mom. They knew we were there. And she was just screaming
00:17:35.540 and didn't know what to do. And I wasn't there. So, you know, I just felt so helpless and so
00:17:42.960 horrible for her. I honestly cannot even imagine how terrifying it must have been to have an angry,
00:17:49.520 potentially armed mob of Trump supporters show up at your elderly grandmother's home and try to
00:17:54.620 force their way in. All of this because Trump and his allies repeatedly lied. And his lies were
00:18:00.780 fueled by hatred and distrust of Black women. Now people are calling Ruby and Shay heroes. You know,
00:18:06.460 they served their community during a pandemic and the president put their lives at risk because of
00:18:10.920 it. And even in testifying and speaking up about what they experienced, they're sure to be at even
00:18:16.060 more risk. So what they did is indeed heroic. But here's the thing. Black women shouldn't have to be
00:18:22.940 put in such great danger for a country that is weaponized against them. Shea says that every
00:18:28.780 single election worker that she worked with at the polling center in 2020 in Georgia has now quit.
00:18:34.080 And honestly, I don't blame them. Who would want to open themselves up to these kinds of harassment
00:18:38.840 and attacks for just trying to serve the public and do their jobs? Ruby and Shea have sued the
00:18:44.480 right-wing website, The Gateway Pundit, and its owners for defamation for publishing stories that
00:18:49.720 quote, instigated a deluge of harassment, intimidation, and threats, and forced them to
00:18:54.540 change their phone numbers, delete their online accounts, and fear for their physical safety.
00:18:58.720 And they also settled a suit with One America News Network. And honestly, I hope they get every
00:19:04.280 last dime of these people's money. But no amount of money can make right what happened to them.
00:19:09.800 I think Lady Ruby really puts it best.
00:19:12.980 There is nowhere I feel safe.
00:19:15.940 Nowhere.
00:19:18.460 Do you know how it feels to have the president of the United States to target you?
00:19:26.980 The president of the United States is supposed to represent every American.
00:19:33.740 Not to target one.
00:19:36.280 But he targeted me, Lady Ruby.
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