There Are No Girls on the Internet - November 21, 2025


Meg Thee Stallion fights deepfakes; Wicked's weird press; Welder’s murder highlights dangers for tradeswomen; AI fetish bear – NEWS ROUNDUP!

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00:02:39.320 Welcome to There Are No Girls on the Internet, where we explore the intersection of technology, social media, and identity.
00:02:45.620 And this is another installment of our weekly news roundup, where we dig into all the stories that you might have missed on the Internet so you don't have to.
00:02:52.460 It has been too long. I am so excited to welcome back today's guest co-host, producer Joey.
00:02:58.540 Joey, thank you for being here.
00:03:00.700 Hey, Bridget. Thanks for having me on again.
00:03:03.260 I have to ask, what is capturing your attention on the internet right now? Anything? What do you got?
00:03:09.480 That's a great question, Bridget.
00:03:11.540 Actually, I've really been wanting to talk about, because this combines two of our favorite things.
00:03:16.820 So we'll see. I don't know what your personal relationship to the Broadway musical slash book slash now two-part movie Wicked is.
00:03:25.700 But I have been, and I can see your face, I have been obsessed.
00:03:33.440 There's been so much that has happened with that movie and their marketing campaign.
00:03:37.380 I'm supposed to see it tomorrow. So excited for that.
00:03:40.280 But I've been really obsessed with like the amount of brand deals that they've done.
00:03:46.820 Recently on TikTok, I got an ad for Crest, like the toothpaste company that was Wicked themed.
00:03:54.760 Of course you did. Of course that exist.
00:03:57.260 Right. And so I was curious.
00:04:00.520 I did look this up according to and it took me a lot of different articles to go through to finally find an actual number because there's so many articles right now that are like top 10, top 50 Wicked items to buy.
00:04:13.760 According to the International Business Times UK, there's 450 brand deals for this one movie.
00:04:20.700 This is record-breaking.
00:04:22.680 I was going to say that has to be more than any other movie ever.
00:04:25.740 Right.
00:04:26.240 They're breaking the record from the first movie, which was about 400.
00:04:30.020 And it looks like before that, like, the, like, Spider-Man movies were the most amount of money, which makes sense.
00:04:38.780 but yeah no I just I was curious because like I literally it's again I was like looking through
00:04:44.200 these articles and there were like dishwasher soap and like there was a Swiffer collab there
00:04:50.980 were laundry pots there was a mac and cheese one that would either turn pink or green I just like
00:04:58.060 all of the products are so like weird and random also they're so weird and then but like here's
00:05:04.100 the thing i'm not gonna lie again i i personally grew up with this musical like i'm a big wicked
00:05:10.460 fan i mean me and my sister are going to see tomorrow i i i have been falling for some of
00:05:15.200 these there are a couple that i'm like i i did buy the um the like pillsbury cookies that they
00:05:20.880 had uh i actually was going to get the like halloween cookies they usually have and they
00:05:25.880 had sold out this was for halloween they were out of them but they had wicked ones so i got those
00:05:30.600 instead they were fine they tasted like the cookies usually do um but the one that I keep
00:05:39.280 seeing that I haven't gotten any ads for but I just keep seeing on TikTok is the Chili's one
00:05:43.760 and I this happened before I left to California so I was still in New York I don't know if you
00:05:49.680 know this Bridget there is one Chili's in all of New York which first of all I didn't know wait
00:05:54.980 where is it it's not it's in queens it's no idea it's like so i meet a couple of our friends went
00:06:01.440 and we had it like it was a saturday but it was like we were like we're gonna go early we're
00:06:06.220 gonna go like 5 p.m uh we get there this one chilies do you want to guess how long the wait
00:06:13.800 was oh my god hell i can't even imagine it was an hour and a half to get into the wicked chilies
00:06:20.300 to get regular chilies and like i there was like a family in front of us in line that was also like
00:06:26.280 what the hell and i was like yeah we're like here to get the wicked drink they were like we are too
00:06:31.000 so i was like i clearly this advertising is working and again it's working i haven't actually 0.51
00:06:37.380 seen any chilies advertisements for wicked specifically i just keep seeing people making
00:06:42.100 tiktoks about going to chilies and like with their drinks and like making little jokes about the
00:06:47.660 margaritas and whatever i just wanted one of the i didn't even i don't even like margaritas like i
00:06:52.360 wanted just i was like i will go i just want the wand there's this little glinda wand you can get
00:06:58.040 but yeah i i was like i'm i'm sorry i'm not waiting an hour and a half for chili so i i have yet to
00:07:04.000 get my wicked drinks uh heartbroken i can't i'm so curious how this came to be how this wicked
00:07:12.440 Chili's collab came to be that at least kind of makes there's so many aspects of this like I'm
00:07:18.560 I'm still like how did the Crest one happen how did the Swiffer one happen like what happened
00:07:23.660 first these companies approach the Wicked marketing team or did the Wicked marketing
00:07:27.000 team approach them like what happened I have a question for you about this so you you self
00:07:33.840 identify as a theater kid I do I do a former theater kid I haven't actually done theater in
00:07:40.340 a long time i mean once you're in you're in you're in for life anybody wants to cast me in anything
00:07:45.580 you know for your consideration joey exactly you are in la i am you know someone will discover you
00:07:54.260 on the street okay so that i i let me just make it very clear all the caveats i love ariana grande
00:08:01.880 much respect i love cynthia arriva was my girl nobody has pipes like her nothing but respect
00:08:07.740 a queen i love wicked i saw it on broadway i saw the first movie love it no problems here i know
00:08:15.900 it's i know it's a deep fan base so i also really like it i do feel like when i watch the interviews
00:08:24.020 between ariana and cynthia i feel like i'm missing something and i don't understand what it is and
00:08:31.940 someone was like you just don't understand theater energy and i was like i feel like i get theater
00:08:36.820 energy but what am i am i way off base here do you know what i'm talking about like the thing is
00:08:42.920 you just have to go into it knowing that they're both kind of insane and uh i i've i'm no i i agree
00:08:50.740 with you though it is like something weird has been happening this entire press tour this was
00:08:55.080 happening year like last year because it is so we're having the same round of discourse that we
00:08:59.460 had a year ago so i'm like i'm ready again this is not what you guys can't see what i'm doing the
00:09:05.300 the thing where Cynthia was holding Ariana's finger or the other way around I can't remember
00:09:09.040 who was holding whose finger um fixing the necklace I will say though like I am in queer
00:09:13.460 media that interview moment that was if anybody follows me on Instagram my bio has been I am in
00:09:19.080 queer media for the past year from that interview I don't know I really don't know I wish I could
00:09:24.400 get a glimpse into both of their psyches I'm the same where I I love Ariana Grande I like
00:09:30.260 and listen to her music for years now i'm not like a a huge like she's not one of my top artists but
00:09:36.120 like i'll always listen to her she's fine um i really liked her new album that she put out that
00:09:41.580 was really good and same with cindy arrivo amazing voice um but no i i do and i i just was re-watching
00:09:48.480 the first movie uh before i left and watching it it was sort of i like me and my friend were
00:09:54.480 watching it we both kind of were talking about this too and and my point was kind of like you
00:09:59.340 know what here's the thing it is like the old Hollywood diva thing where I'm like but they're
00:10:03.320 so talented like they have such amazing voices that I'm kind of like yeah sure they can do
00:10:08.560 whatever they want yeah and I don't know Cynthia Erivo I just the the amount of like gifts that
00:10:14.380 we've gotten from insane um so yeah again like I think they both are just like they're like
00:10:22.440 Broadway type divas and we haven't gotten a lot of those like this famous in a while so maybe that's
00:10:28.120 maybe that's what they meant by like the theater kid thing i don't know i can see it i don't know
00:10:35.020 but it's fascinating to watch unravel in front of everybody i completely agree i also think part of
00:10:42.960 it is that so when i saw wicked in the theater i did not know it was going to be a two-part movie
00:10:48.900 until oh really yeah i was like oh there's a sequel okay also when i was in the theater i was
00:10:55.640 like i swear i respect the craft of theater and musical theater i was in a showing where everybody
00:11:02.600 around me was singing and i was the one person who was like wouldn't it be cool if we could hear
00:11:07.160 them sing though oh no was it one where it was like specifically like you're supposed to sing
00:11:11.440 in this one or was it just a normal showing so i think it was just a normal showing it was just a
00:11:16.120 very enthusiastic audience and i was the one that's rude who was like i agree with you i agree
00:11:22.520 with you i think that's not cool i think look listen there were plenty of screenings that were
00:11:25.700 like sing along like come here and and yeah like again i i went to one of this is a whole other
00:11:32.820 story but when the movie cats came out i went to one of the ones where you were supposed to like
00:11:36.640 yell at the screen um that was an experience um don't know if i would repeat that but you know
00:11:42.600 there are specific showings that are meant for you to sing along so why not just do anyway i don't
00:11:47.320 know i agree with you i hate it when people talk over movies don't do that i once almost came to
00:11:52.000 blows in a screening of the menu because a woman was watching full volume tiktoks right next to me 0.97
00:11:58.180 and i was like we're gonna have to physically fight in this theater oh my god you know bridget
00:12:04.440 speaking of music i've been seeing on tiktok a lot lately uh that i think really embodies this
00:12:12.580 moment have you just because this has been stuck in my head all week have you seen the like
00:12:18.180 we are charlie kirk song that's going around tiktok i have not you haven't okay because i
00:12:26.280 know i haven't been on tiktok it's so here's the thing i i heard this song because what people
00:12:32.620 were like oh my god this is insane i was like this has to be ai this sounds like it's ai i did
00:12:37.160 just look it up according to forbes yes it is ai um bridget i'm gonna send you this song because
00:12:44.480 oh my gosh this has been stuck in my head all week
00:12:48.680 we are charlie kirk we carry the flame we'll fight for the gospel we'll honor his name
00:13:03.380 we are charlie kirk his courage our own together unbroken we'll make we are charlie kirk oh my god
00:13:20.120 i'm keeping that sound bite of the episode oh my gosh um yeah that's all you need to listen to
00:13:28.100 But yeah, the We Are Charlie Kirk chorus has been, I have heard it way too many times over the past week.
00:13:38.000 I didn't need to hear it once.
00:13:41.040 And yeah, now it's been stuck in my head.
00:13:43.660 Again, apparently it is AI generated.
00:13:46.180 I'm not surprised.
00:13:47.620 It does kind of sound like it's a, I've heard it compared to like Alex Warren, who I've been told is a musician.
00:13:56.760 i actually have not heard any of his songs i just know he's like a mormon music guy or like
00:14:02.240 imagine dragons or i want to do an investigative series at one point about like the mormon influence
00:14:07.580 on the music industry oh yeah mormons are very hot right now yes it's it is a thing you know
00:14:15.140 what i'm talking yeah but even like looking back mormons are really hot right now i don't know 0.98
00:14:20.220 what's going on with that but even like looking back i was like like i keep being like benz and 0.88
00:14:24.840 moon kind of reminds me of panic at the disco and i'm like oh yeah because they were ex-mormons
00:14:29.020 and like imagine dragons also ex-mormons there's too many like alt-rock bands that are ex-mormons
00:14:36.680 i didn't know imagine dragons are ex-mormons imagine dragons are ex-mormons yeah apparently
00:14:41.480 they left the mormon church because of their stance on like gay people so you know i guess 0.99
00:14:46.460 go imagine dragons uh allies imagine ally imagine dragons who fucking would have thought 0.98
00:14:54.840 um you know what um when I was like 12 radioactive slabs so I don't know it's still Canada's 1.00
00:15:05.620 actually they they have I I know they're so cringy but I have a soft spot I will be lying 1.00
00:15:11.320 if I said I didn't have a little bit of a soft spot for them right no I it's just like they're
00:15:15.780 they're like a nostalgic band I think I just yes like whenever I do hear their music I'm like oh
00:15:21.040 like this is kind of fun though yeah at the democratic national convention in like 20 whatever
00:15:27.300 the like 20 like the clinton one uh i straight up cried while on drugs during a performance of the
00:15:35.140 black eyed pieces where is the love and i was like bridget i have cried really crying not on drugs so
00:15:42.060 i i was just like they're so right where is the love like
00:15:49.020 well speaking of music we should talk about what is going on with the rapper meg the stallion
00:15:56.500 because she has been straight fighting racialized and gendered mis and disinformation online she's
00:16:02.980 been doing it for kind of a while uh during the criminal trial against rapper tori lanes
00:16:08.800 this is what a lot of this stuff started this week meg the stallion was in court
00:16:13.400 trying to fight ai generated deep fakes of herself so a little bit of backstory for folks
00:16:18.540 who don't remember. Canadian rapper Tory Lanez got sentenced to 10 years in prison after he was
00:16:24.020 found guilty of shooting rapper Meg Thee Stallion in the foot back in July of 2020 while they were
00:16:29.460 all in a car leaving a party at Kylie Jenner's house. So this trial, I followed it pretty closely
00:16:35.740 because it was one of those trials where it just really was like a wave of gendered and racialized
00:16:43.580 mis and disinformation, like basically lies to smear Meg, honestly, it quite reminded me of the
00:16:50.040 Amber Heard Johnny Depp defamation trial. The thing that stood out to me is how much like
00:16:56.020 content creators online and on social media, blogs, YouTubers, podcasters, they played such
00:17:02.860 a role in spreading just flat out incorrect information about this case in a way that 0.98
00:17:09.520 really discredited Megan as this like victim of violence. And it created this climate where 1.00
00:17:15.720 lies generated so much engagement that like ultimately it kind of didn't matter what the
00:17:21.220 truth in quotes was because there was so much smoke and noise and distortion, which ultimately
00:17:26.140 harms us all in the process. And so that trial, if folks remember it, I feel like it really
00:17:32.060 calcified, just flooding the zone as a tactic for abusers to avoid accountability. But honestly,
00:17:40.220 again, I really feel like Johnny Depp just perfected this and now we're all stuck with it.
00:17:44.060 But all of these online contact creators were able to create a lot of smoke and distortion and
00:17:49.440 distrust and lies and confusion. You know, it was this cottage industry of like bloggers and like
00:17:55.120 so-called body language experts and media personalities and TikTokers who, you know,
00:18:00.860 we just live in this climate where not everybody is going to recognize, oh, this random YouTuber
00:18:05.880 is not the same thing as NBC News or something, right? The body language experts were my,
00:18:12.200 I don't want to say were my favorite because it was just one of those things every, I think I was
00:18:16.920 a little bit more present for the Johnny.member, her trial, but for that one specifically, I mean,
00:18:22.140 like, and I know that the Megan and Sally one was kind of similar. Some of the stuff people were
00:18:26.820 saying online was insane also all of a sudden it was like everybody had a psychology degree all of
00:18:32.500 us i really had a criminal psychology degree also and this is me also kind of having my armchair
00:18:39.140 expert whatever i took one forensics class in high school because it was like the easiest science
00:18:44.340 class i could take but i literally remember and that they told us how they were like yeah a lot
00:18:49.620 of this like body language eye contact reading whatever stuff is is fake because it's
00:18:56.820 But there's so many other factors that can come in.
00:18:59.540 Anyway, I don't know.
00:19:00.240 It just was like one of those things where it's not only just people not really knowing
00:19:03.240 what they're talking about and claiming to because they're on TikTok and they're loud
00:19:06.920 about it, but also like the thing they're claiming to know a lot about isn't really
00:19:11.380 like a science or an exact science to begin with.
00:19:14.540 It's kind of just like an idea that sometimes works.
00:19:19.260 Exactly.
00:19:19.740 But when people are just fiending for any information that scratches the itch of telling
00:19:25.940 you this person who you don't like is in the wrong, they'll watch it. And so even like anybody
00:19:32.760 can claim to be a body language expert and get out of YouTube and say, because so-and-so held
00:19:38.400 their face like this, it means X, Y, Z. That kind of content, when you make it about somebody who is
00:19:44.060 the target of this kind of like mis- and disinformation campaign, is always going to do
00:19:47.980 numbers, right? It sort of like doesn't matter that it's a complete bunk science that's like
00:19:53.260 made up and anybody can say anything it's essentially like fan fiction that people
00:19:57.980 project onto people and there's always going to be an audience for it it's it's it really is i mean
00:20:03.860 like anybody can claim we can start a body language youtube channel tomorrow and it will
00:20:07.960 probably do numbers because people love it it's funny that you said fan fiction specifically
00:20:12.140 because this is making me realize that feels very similar to um right now the other big internet
00:20:18.160 news story or I guess not internet just politics news story of the week is uh the alleged Bill
00:20:23.860 Clinton Donald Trump affair and um and seeing some of the clips from that that people now are
00:20:31.800 posting and being like see like comparing clips from the 2016 presidential debates to like
00:20:37.660 challengers like it feels like it's that level of like investigation where it's like this is a funny
00:20:43.160 joke people are making in this situation but unfortunately this is a thing that people do
00:20:48.080 use in real life like i've seen when the like i've seen people do that with the joe biden and
00:20:53.400 trump like when you see them talking off camera people like try to be like lip reading here's
00:20:58.800 what they're saying it's like it's a joke like it's all stuff that's fake anyways yes bridget
00:21:03.540 back to megan the stallion yeah but it's so true that you but that people will people will and do
00:21:10.900 project anything onto public figures and there's always going to be an audience for that and like
00:21:16.860 during the whole meg the stallion tori lane's trial the the real meat of it was that people
00:21:25.500 online made it sound like it was meg against tori but in reality it was tori against the state of
00:21:31.660 california these were like state charges and so they were able to do this in a way that put meg
00:21:38.280 her reputation and her history and her credibility on trial, even though she was the one who had
00:21:43.500 been shot. Right. And so it created this legacy of all of these outright falsehoods about Meg
00:21:49.580 fueled by misogynoir and just sexism and racism, including Milagro Grams, who is a hip hop news
00:21:58.080 personality who was on YouTube, who pushed this theory that Meg was never actually shot, that she
00:22:03.420 just stepped on glass, even though a surgeon testified that they had found bullet fragments
00:22:08.500 in her foot. So she was definitely shot, no question about it. So Grams even testified that
00:22:13.800 she had been on a call with Tory Lanez and his father, who wanted her to essentially continue
00:22:19.120 to use her YouTube channel and social media presence to essentially make up stories about
00:22:24.920 Meg Thee Stallion on social media. When NBC News talked to Grams, she said, quote,
00:22:30.080 On my end, everything is not going to be something that was intended to be a factual statement.
00:22:35.280 It might have a comedic effect. 0.94
00:22:37.540 So when this happened, Meg vowed to sue bloggers who continued to spread false information about her during and after this trial.
00:22:44.660 And now Meg is taking this YouTuber, Milagro Grams, to court.
00:22:49.240 Good for her, as she should. 0.85
00:22:51.080 During the trial this week when Meg took the stand, per NBC, she was accusing Grams, this YouTuber, of encouraging her thousands of followers on X and Instagram to view an unauthorized, sexually explicit, deepfake video of Meg Vestalian that had been circulating on social media.
00:23:10.640 The testimony was like pretty emotional. Meg shared that, quote, I feel like to this day, I feel a little defeated, often sobbing when describing the image, the AI generated image of depicting her likeness.
00:23:23.560 She says, quote, because no matter what, no matter if the video was fake or not, Grams wanted it to be real.
00:23:31.260 And so, you know, this person has basically been making content about Meg Thee Stallion all through this trial.
00:23:38.920 And already the courts ordered this person to pay Meg Thee Stallion's legal fees.
00:23:45.380 Interestingly enough, the lawsuit does not accuse Grams of creating or posting the video,
00:23:50.220 but suggests that she, quote, willfully and maliciously promoted it to her followers, pointing them to a post that had directly shared it.
00:23:58.120 And so I do, this is something that I find I'm interested in, whether or not a YouTuber can be held accountable for spreading a fake video like this that they themselves did not create.
00:24:08.880 But I think it's, you know, bigger than this one content creator.
00:24:12.540 I think, like, Meg is right for trying to refuse to let this digital machine that we know is built on the misogynoir, sexism, degrading women, particularly women of color, letting this machine be the thing that decides the truth.
00:24:28.760 And I think that she is really trying to show what happens and how easily conspiracy, profit, online engagement, all of that can spread quickly online and drown out the facts when a black woman has been harmed.
00:24:43.740 And so I'm curious to see how this will shake out. But I think that we have to, as a society, kind of decide whether or not we're going to accept a world where using AI to violate a black woman who was already like publicly the victim of a shooting, like horrible abuse, whether or not that's just OK fodder for content. Right. Like, I think that's really kind of what's at stake here.
00:25:10.280 Yeah, absolutely agreed. I mean, Megan Thee Stallion is one of those celebrities that because she is so prominent in the public eye, a lot of our discussion around women and black women in particular, like she's going to kind of end up becoming the face of that, whether she wants to or not.
00:25:26.820 I mean, I don't think she wants to because I can't see why anybody would want to.
00:25:31.460 Again, so much love for her for, like, going through all of this and not shutting up and not taking a step back and actually fighting, like, for justice here.
00:25:43.400 Nobody should have to go through that.
00:25:45.060 I feel like every time I come on the show, there's a story about, like, AI nude deepfakes or porn deepfakes or something.
00:25:51.760 And it is, like, it's something, I mean, I have to think about. 0.97
00:25:54.620 it's something that I think most like non-cis men have to think about I grew up with the rhetoric 0.99
00:26:01.580 you know growing up of like never take nude photos never send nude photos it's gonna be 1.00
00:26:05.760 really bad they're gonna get leaked they're gonna be whatever at this point you don't need to be 0.99
00:26:10.960 the one doing it like it is sort of like I think that's bullshit to begin with like it's complicated 0.89
00:26:15.300 intimacy is complicated but also like we live in an era where it's like yeah it doesn't matter what 0.99
00:26:20.760 you do because somebody could easily leak fake like a fake sex tape or fake nudes of you so at
00:26:27.460 this point like it's it's who cares anymore and but also yeah no I mean I think like good for her
00:26:34.400 for for bringing this to court for making this for not just sort of letting it slide I think
00:26:40.800 I mean we've talked before about like I still stand by and my maybe I'm a little bit psychic
00:26:46.920 I did predict that Taylor Swift was going to be somehow related to this whole AI news thing.
00:26:52.720 And at the top of 2024, she did.
00:26:56.080 She was the victim of a lot of...
00:26:58.140 Bridget was there in the episode when I saw...
00:26:59.980 I was like, I have the dates on this notes app that say,
00:27:03.620 I wrote this as my 2024 prediction before it happened.
00:27:07.520 And then, yeah, like, I think Taylor Swift is another example of, like,
00:27:10.460 somebody who, regardless of how you feel about her,
00:27:13.460 the way we talk about her is very reflective of, like, how we think about women,
00:27:16.620 which has been discussed on the show before um i think it is really some like it is really
00:27:22.900 admirable to me and really worth noting that like all of these famous women have actually been kind
00:27:29.780 of like taking these issues to court because a it is like if it happens to them it can if it happens 0.99
00:27:33.700 to them it can happen to any of us like mega the stallion has way more money and resources than i
00:27:39.520 ever will have but also it's like if somebody's gonna have to do if somebody's gonna have to be
00:27:43.820 the one to like stand up and argue this in court like yeah good for her good for Megan Thee Stallion
00:27:48.800 for like standing her ground here I completely agree and it's one of the reasons I I always
00:27:54.940 worry when I talk about this that people are thinking oh this is like celebrity fluff but
00:27:58.480 to me it's not because if this is how they'll treat Meg Thee Stallion like someone people love
00:28:04.400 someone with lots of resources access money da da da this is how they treat Amber Heard how will
00:28:09.560 they treat a Bridget Todd? How will they treat a Joey Pat? How will they treat other people who do 0.99
00:28:15.940 not have the resources and the access? And so if someone with as much resources as Meg Thee Stallion
00:28:22.040 or Amber Heard have, will be treated this way in court when they get their day in court,
00:28:28.720 it does not bode well for any of us. And so I don't talk about it because it's a celebrity
00:28:34.300 fluff story, I talk about it because I think it does illustrate something for the rest of us that
00:28:40.400 do not have the privilege and access of celebrities. And if these celebrities cannot
00:28:44.340 escape this climate that is so toxic and is so full of lies, none of us will. And to your point
00:28:51.780 about, you know, I got the same guidance, don't take pictures of yourself, da-da-da-da.
00:28:56.880 And when there was the iCloud photo hack in 2014, so many prominent voices in tech echoed that.
00:29:06.140 They said, well, these starlets should have never taken those photos.
00:29:09.800 Never mind the fact that those photos were illegally hacked by a criminal and the hack of those photos was a sex crime.
00:29:16.620 We never really talked about it like that, but this person committed a crime.
00:29:19.440 Why you're blaming the victim for taking those photos? I don't know.
00:29:22.840 However, now, you know, 10 years later, we see how not sufficient of a public conversation
00:29:29.780 it was to just say, oh, well, it's their fault for taking these photos, because now
00:29:32.920 you don't have to take photos.
00:29:33.920 Now anybody can just get your yearbook photo and use AI to make sexualized deep, fake images 0.97
00:29:39.080 of you.
00:29:39.560 It doesn't matter if you're a 14-year-old New Jersey student or Meg the Stallion.
00:29:44.780 And so clearly that opportunity for a public conversation about our tech climate when it
00:29:49.860 comes to identity and gender we we did not have the conversation that we needed to have because
00:29:54.860 here we are 10 years later and it's like well it doesn't really matter if you take if you choose
00:29:57.840 to take your clothes off or not they're going to use ai to undress you anyway exactly exactly i mean
00:30:02.980 i do think that the google icloud hacking moment i will say i think that was like a radicalizing
00:30:10.780 feminist moment for like 15 year old me when that went down where that sort of like shattered
00:30:16.200 because yeah no exactly that was like the rhetoric and then it was all like oh my god like how dare 1.00
00:30:20.520 they take these pictures and I was like well you're talking about all these actresses that
00:30:25.700 I look up to and whatever I don't know it is like we're living in a time where people are trying to
00:30:31.280 police sexuality and particularly women and like non-sus men's sexuality and like we do also like
00:30:39.280 this is this is one aspect of that um i do always love to point to the the uh
00:30:46.840 schitt's creek episode where uh moira is like old uh nudes that she took got leaked and she's like 0.86
00:30:56.060 she has like she's talking to alexis and the what's her name stevie is that the other girl
00:31:00.680 in the show and she's like take pictures now while you're young and hot and i was like that
00:31:05.460 changed my that changed how i thought about it i was like you're right you're right because you
00:31:10.100 know what if you're gonna get leaked no matter what maybe we should all just be taking a hot
00:31:13.200 naked picture of ourselves like i don't know um maybe the solution all of this is we need to just
00:31:17.640 like become more chill with nudes being a thing moira tech icon ahead of her time ahead of her
00:31:25.780 time katherine o'hara if you want to come on the podcast please oh my god it will be it will be
00:31:32.240 Just bring that out there. 0.93
00:31:33.380 She can talk about anything she wants.
00:31:35.100 Anything.
00:31:36.260 Anything.
00:31:41.280 Let's take a quick break.
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00:32:48.720 If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality,
00:32:53.120 welcome home.
00:32:54.640 This is Prose Society,
00:32:56.420 the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters,
00:33:01.080 pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the
00:33:05.400 same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books,
00:33:10.820 the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm gonna have to look up
00:33:15.100 this story. I'm obsessed, so obsessed. From best-selling authors and your favorite book
00:33:19.840 talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can
00:33:24.980 hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a trojan horse whether
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00:33:36.940 who love to think a little too much you're in the right place listen to pro society on the iheart
00:33:42.760 radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts see you between the pages when i was 14
00:33:50.360 years old i was kidnapped and held captive for nine months i survived and i've spent my life
00:33:56.800 exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them i'm elizabeth smart and these
00:34:03.120 are the survivor files i just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up don't
00:34:11.500 say anything every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable i knew if he woke up
00:34:19.180 Without a doubt, he was going to hurt me.
00:34:21.880 I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming.
00:34:29.500 They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.
00:34:33.400 But these aren't stories about what's taken from them.
00:34:36.860 They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
00:34:40.480 Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:34:48.260 Hey, this is Hayes Davenport and Sean Clements.
00:34:51.740 We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook.
00:34:53.860 Every episode, we're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers.
00:34:59.680 The show is famously super accessible, so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes and understand what's going on.
00:35:05.800 We recommend some of our recent episodes with Ben Stiller.
00:35:08.280 The definition of what is a movie has kind of changed anyway, too, right?
00:35:11.740 What do you think it is now?
00:35:12.560 it's images and words being spoken captured by some sort of uh technology danny mcbride
00:35:20.160 oh that's fantastic and you make it on you make your own that's great i call him tarot reed
00:35:26.340 it's a good name they're all named after cast members of american pie yeah i call i don't
00:35:34.320 i never looked up if she was in this but i call him leechy sobieski yeah i don't think she was
00:35:39.560 an American Pie, but I still like that.
00:35:41.620 Haven't looked it up. She was prominent around 0.55
00:35:43.400 the same time. Then Mary Steenburgen.
00:35:45.820 Why are you guys talking to me like
00:35:47.540 why are you talking so
00:35:49.600 down to me that you think
00:35:51.680 I don't understand your little
00:35:53.460 play game?
00:35:55.080 I'm just really trying to set you up
00:35:57.600 for success here. Listen to Hollywood
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00:36:15.080 Well, speaking of AI,
00:36:18.160 I am really riled up
00:36:20.420 about this potential
00:36:22.140 AI executive order.
00:36:23.600 So we talked a while back
00:36:25.040 about how Republicans
00:36:26.040 were trying to unsuccessfully,
00:36:28.340 but did try,
00:36:29.980 to sneak a moratorium
00:36:31.120 on any state-level AI laws
00:36:33.620 into their so-called
00:36:35.440 Big Beautiful Bill.
00:36:36.360 Well, because we need more music,
00:36:38.020 Like I just showed you at the top, we need more songs honoring Charlie Kirk's legacy.
00:36:42.600 We can't curtail innovation.
00:36:44.900 Okay, so the White House is back on it.
00:36:48.420 They are trying to make sure that we get as many of these Charlie Kirk AI-generated songs as possible.
00:36:55.360 They're preparing to issue an executive order as soon as Friday that enlists the power of the federal government to block states from regulating AI.
00:37:03.580 This is according to four people familiar with the matter in a leaked draft order obtained by Politico.
00:37:09.420 The draft document, confirmed as authentic by three people familiar with the matter, would launch several efforts to challenge state-level AI laws, including forming an AI litigation task force run by the Department of Justice.
00:37:22.740 Now, this is a real problem for a lot of reasons.
00:37:25.060 The first of which is that the state level laws are a necessary step to get any kind of federal legislation, which let's be real, this administration seems very keen to avoid.
00:37:35.180 But if you have like a network of packed work state level laws, eventually that kind of thing historically can lead to some sort of meaningful federal legislation.
00:37:44.600 And it would be one thing if the federal government was trying to prevent state laws that address AI harms because they wanted like a more comprehensive federal approach.
00:37:53.680 Maybe. However, that is not what this is. Instead, this is the Trump administration
00:37:58.400 wanting to make sure that no one, not states nor the federal government, is doing anything that
00:38:03.760 might possibly impact the profits of AI companies. They're essentially all in on AI companies as the
00:38:09.240 future of the American economy, so they don't want them regulated in any way by anyone.
00:38:15.000 Here's how Politico describes it. The executive order would be a different approach than the
00:38:19.480 previous attempt because it is deploying the muscle of several federal agencies to quash state
00:38:23.780 AI regulations. Government lawyers would be directed to challenge state laws on the grounds
00:38:28.520 that they unconstitutionally regulate interstate commerce, are preempted by existing federal
00:38:33.520 regulations, or otherwise at the Attorney General's discretion. So this task force would consult with
00:38:39.600 administration officials from the White House, including Special Advisor for AI and Crypto,
00:38:44.600 which is a role that is currently occupied by investor comma hack all in tech podcaster David
00:38:52.320 Sachs, he would be in charge of determining which state AI laws would be worth challenging
00:38:58.080 according to this document. So if you're wondering, what does all this mean? Why do I care?
00:39:03.140 Think about it like this. Right now, several states have some kind of state level legislation
00:39:08.500 on the books to prevent the thing that we were just talking about with the Meg Thee Stallion
00:39:11.740 story. AI generated deep fakes and their spread. Pennsylvania, Washington, Michigan, Tennessee,
00:39:17.100 California. This executive order would threaten those kinds of laws or legislation that tells
00:39:23.340 job seekers that they have a right to be notified when AI is being used in the job application
00:39:28.720 screening process or legislation that outright prevents it from being used in the job application
00:39:33.200 process because no AI is biased. That states like New York, Colorado, Illinois, California
00:39:37.920 have laws pertaining to that right now. Or how just this week, Portland passed legislation
00:39:43.420 banning AI rent price fixing, which, by the way, just this week, North Carolina Attorney General
00:39:49.580 Jeff Jackson reached a $7 million settlement with North Carolina's largest landlord because that
00:39:55.600 company was using AI to illegally coordinate rent prices. So we currently, right now, have all kinds
00:40:02.380 of state-level AI legislation that dictates how institutions can use AI in ways that are meant to
00:40:11.280 help protect citizens and consumers. So if you zoom out and imagine what a landscape looks like,
00:40:17.140 if this executive order goes through and is meaningful, you know, executive orders are not
00:40:21.260 laws, but the Supreme Court and Congress seem very keen to just let Trump do whatever he wants,
00:40:25.260 so we'll see. But instead of states kind of experimenting and responding to the real harm
00:40:31.420 happening in their communities and building in some kind of guardrail against it that
00:40:35.860 Congress has here to four refused to build, the federal government is stepping in and
00:40:40.060 saying, wait, no, stand down, wait for us.
00:40:42.980 And wait for what?
00:40:44.720 Because there is no current federal AI law on the table.
00:40:48.960 It's just a vacuum.
00:40:49.960 And in that vacuum, the White House is basically stepping in not to protect the citizens,
00:40:55.780 Americans, consumers, but to protect corporations.
00:40:58.880 And I think especially the we're probably going to see this be the kind of thing where it is corporations who are willing to play ball and let's keep it real, pay bribes to the Trump administration that will be able to continue to operate without this friction.
00:41:13.820 It's just it's just such a shocking, blatant disregard for what is good for your average American.
00:41:19.820 you know this is like i going back to like the celebrity culture element of it our last story
00:41:26.000 i do wonder because i i don't know if bridget you saw the kim kardashian video this week of her
00:41:31.360 crying because she failed the california bar exam because she claimed it was because of chat gbt and 0.89
00:41:39.980 because she was using chat gbt just can kim kardashian pull the fuck up and please become
00:41:47.600 Like if she becomes our anti like or like our pro AI regulation, if she becomes the champion for that, I will forgive you for everything else you have done in your career. 1.00
00:42:02.940 She could do it.
00:42:04.340 She could do it.
00:42:05.440 And I think it's I mean, this is a little bit above my pay grade, but I have to imagine it's related to, you know, AI essentially propping up our economy right now.
00:42:16.060 And I think the government is very invested, no pun intended, but appreciated in the idea that this AI bubble is not going to burst. And so I think being like, oh, what if we said that nobody can do anything to curtail this technology that might help foster this idea that it's not going to burst.
00:42:34.860 And yeah, just I hate how much of our democracy and our economy has just turned into fucking like casino gambling and robbing Peter to pay Paul shell games. 0.81
00:42:48.100 Just like I think this I think something about this executive order just really makes that clear how much it is just setting things up for bribes and scams and the American people. 0.97
00:42:59.180 we're the ones who are losing ultimately and it just pisses me off that there are still people
00:43:04.360 who will see this people who will never like they'll never see that white house ballroom
00:43:10.120 whatever whatever who are like yeah it's good that ai companies can illegally collude to raise
00:43:16.320 my rent using ai it's like in what way you're a renter babe in what like i don't see how your
00:43:21.720 average everyday american can see this and be like oh yeah this is going to be great for me
00:43:25.380 It's better if they can use AI to raise my rent.
00:43:27.780 I love paying more in rent.
00:43:28.980 Who doesn't?
00:43:30.180 I love paying more in rent, personally.
00:43:32.020 I want my life to be more expensive and with a, like, shittier result.
00:43:37.980 I don't know.
00:43:38.980 It is really weird.
00:43:40.460 Yeah, the whole conversation around AI is just, like, it's gotten to the point where, again, yeah, we have, like, Kim Kardashian of all people coming out here and being like, oh, my God, JoshGBT is the reason I failed my logs.
00:43:51.680 Whatever.
00:43:52.460 I'm like, why am I out here agreeing with Kim Martin?
00:43:55.220 You're getting people from all levels of society. You're getting people that work white-collar jobs talking about how they're frustrated with AI. You're getting people that are getting screwed over across the board because their rent is going up because of AI or because it's harder to just Google something and find an answer because of AI.
00:44:18.820 Like, I don't know. It is it is it is a really strange time to just be like, we all acknowledge this is bad.
00:44:26.380 We're just not doing anything about it here, here.
00:44:33.480 Let's take a quick break.
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00:45:41.220 When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months.
00:45:46.620 I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them.
00:45:53.000 I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files.
00:45:56.700 I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, 0.99
00:46:01.820 Shut up. Don't say anything. 0.99
00:46:05.120 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable.
00:46:08.460 So I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me.
00:46:13.920 I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming.
00:46:21.320 They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.
00:46:25.280 But these aren't stories about what's taken from them.
00:46:28.740 They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
00:46:31.860 Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:46:40.820 If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home.
00:46:46.740 This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse.
00:46:59.220 I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and
00:47:03.660 the conversations everyone can't stop having.
00:47:06.340 I'm going to have to look up this story.
00:47:08.240 I'm obsessed.
00:47:08.980 So obsessed.
00:47:09.920 From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture
00:47:13.840 moments, nothing is off the table.
00:47:15.860 It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is
00:47:22.280 a Trojan horse.
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00:47:28.240 community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to
00:47:33.360 Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:47:39.020 See you between the pages.
00:47:58.240 some of our recent episodes with ben stiller the definition of what is a movie has kind of changed
00:48:02.620 anyway too right what do you think it is now it's images and words being spoken captured
00:48:08.320 by some sort of uh technology danny mcbride he loves oh that's fantastic and you make it on
00:48:15.160 you make your own that's great i call him tarot reed
00:48:18.300 it's a good name they're all named after cast members of american pie yeah i call i don't
00:48:26.300 I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachie Sobieski.
00:48:30.360 I don't think she was in American Pie, but I still like that.
00:48:32.700 Haven't looked it up.
00:48:33.620 Haven't looked it up.
00:48:34.480 She was prominent around the same time.
00:48:36.620 Then Mary Steenburgen.
00:48:37.780 Why are you guys talking to me like, why are you talking so down to me
00:48:42.680 that you think I don't understand your little play game?
00:48:47.040 I just really am trying to set you up for success here.
00:48:50.640 Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
00:48:54.320 or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:48:56.300 at our back
00:49:03.080 so i do have to throw a little bit of a trigger warning on top of this one because it is a
00:49:12.400 very tragic story in minnesota a young welder named amber check who was only 20 was murdered
00:49:18.540 by her fellow employee at their equipment and systems design and fabrication factory worksite
00:49:24.680 She was bludgeoned to death by her male co-worker, David DeLong, who was 40 years old at the Advanced Process Technologies Manufacturing Facility in Minnesota, which specializes in services to the food and dairy industry.
00:49:38.760 So it is an absolutely heartbreaking story. It's already said that this guy had been probably planning on murdering Amber for a while because he said that he, quote, just didn't like her.
00:49:51.960 County attorney Brian Lutz said that DeLong felt that Amber had, quote, given him a bad look and that he was upset about that.
00:50:00.160 Now, mind you, Amber was 20 years old, and this man was 40. So someone half his age, he was upset, according to him, by just a, quote, bad look that somebody half his age gave him.
00:50:15.620 So he was reportedly charged with second-degree murder, but Wright County Attorney Brian Lutz told KARE, the Minnesota local news affiliate, in a statement that he plans to evaluate the case for a possible charge of first-degree premeditated murder, which requires convening a grand jury, which, again, I'm no lawyer, but somebody who officials say had been planning this murder for a while, I don't understand why that wouldn't be a first-degree murder, but I'm no attorney.
00:50:42.640 And so I wanted to talk about this both as just a terrible tragedy, but also to spotlight the roles of women in the trades like Amber.
00:50:54.020 You probably already know that women are very underrepresented in trade work like welding and electrical work. 0.99
00:51:00.220 According to the Institute for Women's Policy Research, tradeswomen were only 4.3 percent of all construction trade workers as of 2024. 0.90
00:51:08.300 And in certain trades, it's even lower. 3.2% of plumbers and pipe fitters and 2.9% of electricians 0.93
00:51:16.520 are women. So unsurprisingly, women face challenges in the trades like discrimination
00:51:23.100 and a hostile workplace culture. There is this viral post going around Reddit that I saw
00:51:28.860 claiming that Amber had actually made several complaints about this person to HR, but I could
00:51:33.920 not actually verify that myself or find a source for that claim other than the post itself. But
00:51:38.960 honestly, it would not surprise me. In a statement about Amber's death, the National Association of
00:51:45.080 Women in Construction President Rita Brown said, we must confront the truth that too many trades
00:51:50.120 women have endured hostility, intimidation, harassment, and threats on job sites where
00:51:54.400 warning signs were visible but unaddressed. This tragedy is not an anomaly. It is part of a
00:52:00.080 disturbing pattern that we as an industry can no longer deny and will no longer tolerate.
00:52:05.920 And so it is just something that I think, you know, we often talk about how people shouldn't
00:52:11.120 go to college and should go into the trades. And I'm very supportive of the trades. I have
00:52:15.520 often thought about going back and becoming an electrician. If I ever stopped podcasting
00:52:20.000 about technology, I would probably be an electrician. Yeah, this is just such a horrifying
00:52:24.960 story on its own. But yeah, I think to the point you were making about if we're saying, yes, more
00:52:32.140 people should go to trade school or encouraging people to go to trade school, like when you say
00:52:36.280 people, women are half of people. So it's like if you want people to do that, you need to make it 0.89
00:52:42.960 safe for everybody. Exactly. Yes. And I don't even really know how to talk about this because I don't
00:52:51.000 want to speculate on stuff i don't know but you know in looking at information about this case
00:52:56.320 amber was young she's only 20 and she had like short hair and all these pictures and
00:53:04.220 part of me wonders if that is part of what's going on here that people aren't really reporting on
00:53:10.600 that one i think that the fact that this guy was 40 and she was 20 there was a huge age discrepancy
00:53:17.240 there and so like i think that gen z in the workplace i think that like that might be part
00:53:24.540 of something that made her vulnerable in this workplace that i that like should have been
00:53:29.860 addressed and she should have been supported on and then too part of me wonders if this guy
00:53:34.580 perceived her as whether or not she was as like queer or lgbtq in some way because she had quite
00:53:41.420 short hair and so i i can't imagine yeah do you know what i'm saying like i don't want to speculate
00:53:46.440 but like no I agree I mean I I think even beyond like not speculating I'll say somebody who like
00:53:52.580 I have pretty short hair I am like Bridget you can see me where my hair is now like this is the
00:53:57.900 longest I've been this is usually like I'm probably gonna get a haircut in like a month like this is
00:54:01.760 but like I can tell that I when my hair is this even just a little bit longer where like it could
00:54:07.340 it's closer to like a bob I get treated so differently like when my hair is like as short
00:54:12.580 as I usually cut it that is a very different experience from when my hair is a little bit
00:54:16.140 longer and maybe I'm dressed a little bit more feminine um it's still uncomfortable it's still
00:54:21.280 sort of demeaning the way that I'm treated but it's like safer in a weird way like I know that
00:54:26.460 I'm like I don't know I've like had this conversation before about like if I'm going
00:54:30.760 into like a space I don't know if it's going to be super like queer friendly or whatever 0.99
00:54:33.680 if I if my hair is longer when that's happening I'm usually like okay yeah I can get away with 0.95
00:54:38.040 it if my hair is a little bit shorter I'll usually try to like fam it up a little bit to
00:54:41.400 you know not but yeah no I wouldn't be surprised if that also was part of this uh yeah no I going
00:54:50.980 back to the fact that he was 40 and she was 20 is crazy and I mean I think beyond that I'm sure
00:54:58.360 every uh as somebody who is a a fab person who has worked in male-dominated fields like my whole life
00:55:08.640 I mean it's uh yeah you will be you will have an uncomfortable experience with a man that's twice
00:55:18.000 your age and unfortunately that's kind of just a given it shouldn't be it shouldn't be I'm not 0.98
00:55:22.920 saying that's okay I'm not saying that that should be the norm but like I don't know having worked in
00:55:27.660 media, having previously worked in film, working in podcasting now, like I I've had plenty of
00:55:33.460 experiences of like men twice my age that have been really weird and uncomfortable. And, you know,
00:55:40.040 thank God nothing really bad has happened to me personally. But it's like this is a possibility.
00:55:44.800 This is something that you have to think about. It's true and it shouldn't be true. And in the
00:55:50.560 case of Amber, the National Association of Women in Construction and building trades unions are
00:55:55.960 all calling for like industry support and increased protections for women who work in key construction
00:56:01.800 site jobs. And, you know, I just think like it's just a reminder that with all the talk of going
00:56:09.160 into the trades, which I love the trades, I will never shit on the trades. However, the work, as
00:56:15.160 you said, the work has to be safe for everybody. The work has to be safe, whether you're queer,
00:56:19.580 whether you're a young woman, whether you're Gen Z, it has to be safe. You have to be able to show
00:56:23.580 up and feel like you're going to be protected. And if right now it doesn't sound like we're
00:56:27.780 creating that kind of a culture that is going to allow for everybody to show up. And, you know,
00:56:34.160 if there are any trades women listening, like it is tough. It's tough work. The people who do this
00:56:39.220 work, they work hard and they're a workforce that is very, very important. And too often,
00:56:44.920 especially for marginalized people in that workforce are doing this critical work without
00:56:50.660 the protections and support that they need.
00:56:52.720 And so I guess I'm heartened, as tragic as this is, I'm heartened to see these unions
00:56:58.220 and these organizations trying to at least use this tragedy to get a little bit of justice
00:57:03.840 and like use this, use Amber's legacy to really shine a spotlight on underrepresented
00:57:09.960 folks who are in the trade because it's important.
00:57:13.800 It genuinely is life or death.
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01:01:53.020 Well, switching gears a little bit, this is not the kind of story that we usually talk about,
01:01:58.460 but I was just sort of very intrigued by it because it has come to my attention
01:02:02.500 that parents out here might be getting scammed because I truly had no idea until there recently
01:02:08.740 how much money is involved in youth sports in researching this segment i came across
01:02:15.540 multiple people who use this term the youth sports industrial complex because if your kid
01:02:21.480 plays hockey especially hockey but other sports too basketball cheer really anything competitive 0.99
01:02:27.180 you are opening your fucking wallet because this shit is very expensive oh yeah did you know this 0.99
01:02:32.100 kind of so i i was a competitive dancer growing up so i and that is a whole other world of like 1.00
01:02:38.720 like dance industrial complex kind of thing but I I'm sure and I never was a sports person I never
01:02:47.940 really played competitive sports growing up but seeing my friends that did or friends siblings
01:02:53.500 that did I'm not surprised by all this and again yeah I was in the dance world which was
01:02:59.960 very similar as much as I though although they always would tell us because I but whenever
01:03:06.860 would be like oh this is a sport they would be like no we're artists this is an art we're not
01:03:11.440 it's an art form so i don't know i guess like artists can scam you i don't yeah yeah it's all
01:03:18.560 scams we were special we were artists we weren't like we weren't jocks that's so funny i was gonna
01:03:24.720 say is dance is competitive dance not a sport but i guess not it's an artistry well according to this
01:03:30.320 new report from the lever private equity is taking over youth sports and as part of that takeover
01:03:36.680 companies are even preventing parents from using their own cell phones to record their own kids
01:03:42.340 game so that they can squeeze even more money out of these families this is you know what this feels
01:03:48.420 like a full circle moment because the the the like finance people that are working for these private
01:03:54.200 equity firms that are moving out to the suburbs that are having kids that are having kids take
01:03:58.660 place in these they're like take part in these really competitive sports things or whatever
01:04:02.740 great now you can't record your kid playing soccer because of the thing that you started
01:04:08.580 using the machine that you were also in a cog in i'm generalizing here i'm sure not all of these
01:04:13.300 people are not part of the system but i have an image in my head of like the kind of couple that
01:04:20.500 is taking their kid to soccer practice and this is happening and i i feel like we're going in a loop
01:04:26.200 here. Yes, the machine. It's all the machine. So as this 40 billion with AB youth sports industry
01:04:35.040 is coming under private equity control, corporate owned facilities and leagues from hockey rinks to
01:04:40.880 cheer arenas have started banning parents from filming their own children. What are they supposed
01:04:45.740 to do instead? Well, instead, parents are required to subscribe to exclusive company owned streaming
01:04:53.020 services that can cost more per month than actual streaming of actual professional sports.
01:04:59.000 These private equity firms also lock in exclusive contracts that block any competing video
01:05:04.300 services from being used.
01:05:06.700 So when I first read this story, I was like, these people have never met Melvin Todd Sr.
01:05:11.300 In our town, my dad was like known for coming onto the field during our like, I have a very
01:05:17.360 particular memory of my of him coming onto the field to like i think my brother was being
01:05:23.320 unsportsmanlike or something like he was known in our town for like coming onto the field during
01:05:28.080 our games so i was like oh this would never fly with melvin todd senior so i'm thinking like okay 0.99
01:05:33.120 how are they going to enforce this what are they really going to do if parents are just like fuck 0.93
01:05:36.940 you i'm going to record anyway well according to the lever they will confiscate parents phones if 0.98
01:05:42.120 they record anyway parents can be blacklisted from attending their kids games and in some cases 0.99
01:05:47.200 the kids might face penalties if their parent is like, fuck you, I'm going to record on my phone 0.99
01:05:52.960 anyway. This actually happened to a sitting U.S. senator, Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut. 1.00
01:05:59.520 He said, quote, I was told this past weekend that if I live streamed my child's hockey game,
01:06:05.020 my kid's team would be penalized and lose a place in the standings. Why? Because a private equity
01:06:10.080 company has bought up the rinks. Can you imagine? This is getting like Black Mirror episode,
01:06:16.040 which i know is like every episode of this podcast but like for real this is giving black
01:06:21.540 weird episode also like i'm sorry i i just want to go back to the fact that like parents phones
01:06:26.920 can get confiscated like yes it feels like like are we putting the parents in detention
01:06:34.400 like what's going i feel like the state of the world right now is we are all stuck in like a bad
01:06:42.420 80s movie and like the villains of the bad 80s movie are all of the people in charge it's giving
01:06:48.180 like the breakfast club like the teacher from the breakfast club and being like like that is who
01:06:52.240 we're all under right now being like no you can't have your phones out you can't be filming this you
01:06:56.920 can't be celebrating your kids we need to stream this on youth soccer plus or whatever
01:07:07.400 yes this story about the the youth sports really shows what's at stake here like do you want this
01:07:17.800 private equity company to ban you as a parent from taking a video on your phone of your kids 0.93
01:07:23.340 youth sports that you already pay out the ass for them to be able to do not to mention you're 0.93
01:07:28.580 probably after work probably have to drive them halfway across town i don't even get me started 0.96
01:07:34.140 On top of that, do you want to have to be forced to pay for Black Bear Sports Group TV package just to watch your kid play hockey?
01:07:43.020 I don't think so.
01:07:44.840 So Black Bear Sports Group is the largest private equity youth hockey organization in the United States.
01:07:50.700 And basically, when asked by the lever about like this policy, why parents can't just record their own kids,
01:07:57.100 they said it was because of, quote, significant safety risks, like kids being filmed without their consent.
01:08:02.580 But when the lever pressed them and was like, OK, well, why would parents be punished for recording their own kids if you're worried about the safety risk of kids being filmed without their consent?
01:08:12.180 Lever was like, oh, we don't really have an answer to that.
01:08:15.200 No, no answer.
01:08:16.020 They didn't have anything to say.
01:08:16.800 So the Black Bear streaming package service costs between $25 and $50 a month, depending on the package.
01:08:25.440 They're also, on top of that, adding new fees, like a $50 registration and insurance charge on top of the normal fees that parents already pay.
01:08:34.220 The USA Hockey membership and the already sky high cost of the equipment.
01:08:39.460 It's the kind of price creep that makes hockey, which is already a very expensive and exclusionary sport, even less accessible for regular families who might want to participate.
01:08:49.840 I have a question about, so if they're worried about kids getting quote unquote filmed without their consent or whatever, but also this is a streaming service you can pay for, what's stopping like randos from watching?
01:09:06.700 like i almost feel like having a parent film your game and then post it on their instagram
01:09:13.340 their private instagram with like 90 followers that seems more private to me than just having
01:09:21.340 it out there and anybody who has 50 bucks can watch it um oh you think that sounds more private
01:09:26.780 than black bear tv the streaming service that black bear recently launched like just my opinion
01:09:34.200 And I know it's really out there.
01:09:36.800 So basically, through Black Bear TV, Black Bear, this company that runs most of the youth hockey in the United States, is going to be exclusively streaming service for every league game.
01:09:49.360 So basically, they're like literally monetizing children as content while also extracting more money from the parents who just want to watch their kids play the sport that they're paying tons and tons of money to sign their kid up for.
01:10:01.780 And it is not just hockey.
01:10:04.040 Varsity Brands, which is the dominant company in competitive cheer,
01:10:07.420 faced a massive antitrust lawsuit accusing it of locking out competitors
01:10:11.300 and forcing teams to buy only varsity uniforms, equipment, and tournament access.
01:10:16.200 The company, which, no surprise to anybody,
01:10:19.120 was also tangled up in a high-profile sex abuse scandal,
01:10:23.340 ended up settling a lawsuit for $82 million in 2024.
01:10:27.400 Similar to Black Bear, the hockey company,
01:10:29.900 Varsity also owns Varsity TV, the exclusive streaming platform for cheerleading competitions.
01:10:35.140 And if folks watch that docu-series on Netflix, Cheer, they shut the Netflix crew out because the venue was theirs and they were like, no, we have the exclusive filming rights here.
01:10:47.580 So it's just this grotesque situation where these private equity companies are just finding every little coin, every little dollar they can extract from these families who just want to have their kid play basketball or cheer or do hockey.
01:11:03.640 Yeah, this is.
01:11:06.560 This is insane.
01:11:07.680 Also, it's kids sports.
01:11:09.600 I am thinking back now, too, because I do remember.
01:11:12.400 So, like, again, I was a competitive dancer.
01:11:15.220 i do remember so they wouldn't let parents film our when we would have our big like end of the
01:11:20.480 year showcase where we would have like every like recital they wouldn't let parents film there but
01:11:26.380 they would like sell dvds that were like professionally shot which like so that it was
01:11:30.940 one thing though it was one thing every year and it was like these dance studios selling
01:11:36.300 these dvds and the money was going back to them it wasn't like some big private equity company
01:11:42.240 um das is weird this is a weird bleak dark story it is and i think anything involving
01:11:50.680 because it's not just sports it's it's youth sports right like yeah when you're when something
01:11:55.920 is involving your kids it's emotional it's highly monetizable environments where parents
01:12:01.260 probably feel pressured to pay anything to support their kids you know you've got
01:12:06.320 minors being used as content by corporations revenue streams is just it's not just that
01:12:13.300 these companies are squeezing these families financially which they are they are also
01:12:17.720 reshaping youth activities and youth sports into these paywalled digital products and content
01:12:24.320 one penalty and subscription at a time and I just think like we have to have spaces that are just
01:12:30.360 for joy and youth and community and childhood,
01:12:34.420 if those spaces just get turned into another place
01:12:37.860 of copyright policing and predatory monetization
01:12:40.980 and extraction, then what do we have?
01:12:43.680 Like, what is all of this for?
01:12:44.820 If you can't even get a grainy video
01:12:46.800 of your kid doing something cool and hockey
01:12:48.940 and post it on your Facebook for your mother-in-law
01:12:51.780 to be like, oh, they look so great.
01:12:53.260 What is this for, right?
01:12:54.500 Not every space needs to be extracted
01:12:58.800 for every single resource in this way especially when it involves you it's just it's you're so
01:13:03.960 right it's just like a very bleak story how did we get from like again i'm not a sports person so
01:13:10.480 i this is not i'm not going to give the most detailed description of this but whenever i
01:13:14.120 remember hearing the debate about like should college athletes be paid for because of the
01:13:19.160 fact that we're broadcasting these games they are like they're big money makers people are coming
01:13:24.880 in to pay to see these games or whatever how do we get from that conversation of like should these
01:13:29.080 like again also it's still at this point usually like sometimes teenagers sometimes 20 21 year olds
01:13:35.220 still pretty young should they be paid for this like labor they're putting in uh that can be very
01:13:41.060 dangerous by the way how do we get from that to your five-year-old playing soccer that is streamable
01:13:50.040 content yes okay sure should we like if you're gonna do that then start paying the kids that
01:13:57.980 you're making content I don't know it's it's it's so yeah this is such a I get I can't I the only
01:14:07.020 thing I can keep going back to is just being like this is such a bleak outlook and like
01:14:10.200 what is happening to our world very bleak stuff okay well the company that runs the youth hockey
01:14:17.960 in the States is Black Bear. And speaking of bears, hey, don't buy this AI bondage teddy bear
01:14:26.080 for your kid for the holidays. Or actually, I don't know, maybe do depending on your kid. I
01:14:31.240 don't know what your kid's into. If you live in D.C. like I do and you're like are the kind of
01:14:35.140 person who celebrates the holidays at our local leather and kink bar, the District Eagle, maybe
01:14:40.960 this is a good choice for you. I was going to say when I saw the headline and the outline you sent
01:14:46.140 me, I saw the words AI fetish bear, and I thought this was going in a very different direction.
01:14:52.560 I wish. Okay, so here's what's going on. Researchers at the Public Interest Research
01:15:02.560 Group found that an AI-powered teddy bear from the children's toy maker Folo Toy was giving kids
01:15:09.900 instructions on how to do things like light matches engage in knife play and even information
01:15:16.240 about sexual fetishes wait wait wait engage a knife play separate from the sexual fetishes
01:15:22.460 or the knife play was unrelated to the fetishes okay yeah it was like first of all nice to meet 0.97
01:15:28.600 you timmy go grab a knife second of all what are your kicks all right back in my day back in my
01:15:36.800 day we would i uh you learned all this from being on tumblr at too young of an age or on omegle or
01:15:43.220 whatever uh but uh whoa just wow all right sure yeah so this awesome bear was using open ai's
01:15:56.420 chat gpt4 model but after the public interest research group tested three different ai toys
01:16:01.560 They found that these toys can quickly veer into pretty not safe for kids territory, giving advice on sex positions, fetishes, how to find knives in the kitchen, how to start fires with matches.
01:16:13.860 OpenAI then pulled the plug on FoloToy, suspending the company's access with AI models.
01:16:19.280 An OpenAI spokesperson told the research group, I can confirm that we've suspended this developer for violating our policies.
01:16:26.380 I'm sorry. Is this toy? Is this Megan?
01:16:29.340 Oh, my God. Unrelated.
01:16:31.140 i watched megan 2 on the plane so i i saw megan 1 in the theater and i fucking loved it i finally
01:16:36.480 saw megan 2 on the plane to barcelona have you seen it i actually haven't seen either of them
01:16:40.640 oh my god i do i need to watch them um i i've seen many of the memes i've seen many many many
01:16:48.280 like in halloween costumes so oh my gosh megan 1 i i absolutely loved megan 2 i will say like
01:16:57.200 it i kept saying so mike producer michael sitting next to me on the plane to barcelona and i was i
01:17:01.920 kept being like this is a movie for tango listeners and that's okay sometimes you should
01:17:10.260 i will be very curious for your thoughts maybe i'll watch i'll watch it sometime soon and let
01:17:14.300 you know my thoughts bridget because i i am curious also how this is because you know i love
01:17:19.460 like ex machina and like um i love that genre movie so i'm i'm very curious um also alice
01:17:29.760 williams so you know yeah she's i think this is her best movie since get out oh absolutely i
01:17:38.080 actually so the first time i saw her in something was get out so going back and watching i i had
01:17:42.700 like my experience watching girls was having seen alice williams and get out adam driver and star
01:17:47.680 wars uh actually i think those were the main two but like watching it that it was like weird to be
01:17:53.020 like no i know you for the role that like because of this show you got cast in and i can see why
01:17:58.840 but i this isn't right i feel like i yeah yeah that's so classic joey to be like i know i don't
01:18:06.420 know you from girls i know you from star wars yeah come on yeah anyways back to this uh fair
01:18:16.580 teddy bear was teaching kids about knife play uh yeah knife play bear actually voiced by adam
01:18:24.520 driver oh my god no no that's a toy that would be the hottest toy of the holiday season yeah i
01:18:30.880 don't know if kids would be buying that i would buy it i would need that so open ai was like we
01:18:38.100 can't have these bears telling kids to like do fetishes and play with knives so they were like
01:18:44.480 We kicked this company off of our platform, but it seems like that move might put more
01:18:49.960 pressure on OpenAI to police how their products are used, especially as it is trying to partner
01:18:55.640 with other kids' toy companies like Mattel, which it started a partnership with, I think,
01:19:00.720 earlier this year.
01:19:01.500 But here is really the kicker.
01:19:03.740 Other ChatGPT-powered toys are still very much available on Amazon.
01:19:08.720 So if you're looking for a memorable and potentially horrifying holiday gift, well, Amazon has you covered.
01:19:16.700 You know what? Actually, I was just talking to our friend who was trying to get me to watch the movie Chucky.
01:19:21.980 And I was like, I was terrified of Chucky when I was a kid. I refuse.
01:19:26.300 That is like I guess I am. I'm somebody I was scared of horror movies when I was a kid.
01:19:29.920 Now I'm making my way through all of them. But I'm like, that's one of the ones that I absolutely refuse.
01:19:33.760 I my cousins were obsessed with it and they used to like terrorize me with it.
01:19:37.900 And I know I was like, it's so scary. I was like this, this, this sounds like my worst nightmare when I was like eight years old.
01:19:45.500 Beyond just the weird grossness of it all. I'm like, I child me would be absolutely terrified by any of this.
01:19:54.560 This is nightmare fuel. Like, come on.
01:19:57.280 I also had a thing with Chucky. My brother was obsessed with Chucky and I was terrified of Chucky.
01:20:03.640 he's so creepy i don't get it yeah and i and i like horror movies and i could not handle chucky
01:20:10.720 really anything where it's like you might be too young do you ever watch the puppet master movies
01:20:16.280 anything where it's like little dolls or little toys come to life i don't like that that's too
01:20:21.240 scary no yeah i i was i did recently this might have been like a year ago actually not recently
01:20:27.120 whatever i a year ago i was making my way through all the conjuring movies and i skipped annabelle
01:20:32.620 because i was like i i can't anyway anytime it's like a doll
01:20:37.200 no i just no just i don't i don't want to think about that that's that's too much for me i don't
01:20:44.660 know what it is about having dolls coming to life that is too scary for me it keeps that away
01:20:50.260 uh-uh well if you're looking for a holiday gift for joey or myself oh my god maybe pick something
01:20:56.260 else we don't like the the dolls that could potentially come to life i'm okay with the
01:21:02.580 fetish talk for adults not necessarily in a bear for kids but let's just steer clear of the creepy
01:21:09.420 fucked up doll genre altogether i'm trying to think of like a a way there could be like a positive 0.84
01:21:17.640 like any way i can think of like a fetish um ai thing for adults that also doesn't end well though 0.69
01:21:24.000 too that's maybe we should just keep ai out of this you know yeah crazy crazy concept but if
01:21:31.020 you've ever seen any horror movie i think the takeaway is let's just keep ai out of this
01:21:35.720 i haven't you ever seen terminator oh my god literally the uh space audit
01:21:42.620 space odyssey i was about to say space oddity and then i was like that's the song that's not
01:21:47.580 I get them confused as well.
01:21:49.300 Yeah, yeah.
01:21:50.060 I was trying to argue with Mike because my dad uses Child GBC and I was like, I remember being like 16 and you making me watch this movie and me being like, this is really long.
01:22:01.680 I don't like it.
01:22:02.560 But I'm like, did you not take away the message from the movie that you made me watch?
01:22:09.400 I don't know.
01:22:10.440 Sounds like somebody needs to go back and rewatch it and get a crash course into what Hal is really capable of.
01:22:16.020 Maybe Hal and Megan can do a team up, you know.
01:22:18.580 Ooh, now that I will watch.
01:22:20.640 Here we go.
01:22:21.240 See, I'm in L.A. for one day and I'm like, next blockbuster, Hal versus Megan.
01:22:27.820 Let's go.
01:22:28.160 For your consideration, Joey.
01:22:32.360 Thank you.
01:22:33.840 Joey, thank you so much for running down these stories for me.
01:22:38.320 Where can people keep an eye on you?
01:22:40.820 If you don't become Hollywood's next big thing, where can folks keep an eye on you?
01:22:46.600 Yes. Well, of course, look for my feature film, Howl vs. Megan, coming out to theaters near you or actually Joey Plus streaming service.
01:23:00.060 My streaming service, you have to give me $50 a month to watch these amazing movies that I'm definitely making.
01:23:07.020 that's pretty that's good i think yeah um i might be on something here let's see uh but
01:23:16.100 you can follow me on instagram at pat not pratt that is p-a-t-t-n-o-t-p-r-a-t-t uh that's also
01:23:23.300 my twitter handle and my blue sky and other various other platforms but i really only use
01:23:29.400 instagram currently um and yeah you can also listen to some of my work on the show stuff mom
01:23:36.040 never told you i recently did an episode talking about the uh mom donnie win in uh new york city
01:23:42.740 um bridget i think you gotta mention that from being the first i i got a bunch of different
01:23:47.180 texts from people out of we were talking about how ever it was sort of like people outside of
01:23:51.200 new york were celebrating this too and i was like the first text i got was just bridget in all caps
01:23:56.300 sending me mom donnie and i was like yes you did it and excited i it's okay me too
01:24:05.940 I watched that election come in at a gay bar near me, and that was a beautiful moment.
01:24:13.000 That was a really, really great moment.
01:24:14.940 But if you want to hear about that, yeah, listen to this stuff I've never told you.
01:24:18.360 I also work on the show Outlaws with T.S. Madison and the show Afterlives, which is out wherever you get your podcasts.
01:24:28.960 Single award winner.
01:24:31.360 And speaking of single award winners, also the show Black 5FM, which is also on the Outspoken Network.
01:24:35.540 Well, thank you for being here, Joey.
01:24:39.080 And thanks to all of you for listening.
01:24:40.360 I will see you on the internet.
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