There Are No Girls on the Internet - November 09, 2022


On election day and after, disinformation is on the ballot

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00:02:10.000 So this is going to be a little bit of a weird episode.
00:02:13.680 Just right off the bat, I should say I have COVID.
00:02:17.600 So if I don't sound like my normal self,
00:02:21.620 it's probably because I've spent the last few days in bed with a fever.
00:02:25.180 And partly because I have COVID,
00:02:27.400 I am joined by my producer and chief science officer, Michael,
00:02:32.360 to just make sure that I don't say anything wildly out of pocket
00:02:36.100 while I'm feeling so feverish.
00:02:38.520 Michael, thank you so much for helping me out here.
00:02:40.660 Yeah, happy to be part of it.
00:02:41.840 You know, just keep a watchful eye, make sure everything stays on the right side of the science.
00:02:47.720 I mean, it's funny.
00:02:48.900 We were talking earlier off mic and I was not planning on making an episode today.
00:02:54.700 I partly because I am not feeling well, but also just because like there has been so much going on, you know, with Elon Musk buying Twitter,
00:03:04.300 which I have really come to see as our largest and perhaps most influential digital communication
00:03:12.700 platform when it comes to getting real-time news. And so I guess I was just feeling a little bit
00:03:19.060 strange. Here we are on the eve of election night, where you and I are recording this on Monday
00:03:23.620 evening, and I wasn't planning on doing an episode. And, you know, we were talking about
00:03:28.140 the election and sort of how we were thinking and where we were at. And I realized that I was
00:03:33.000 actually feeling quite anxious and that I was feeling, I don't know, just a lot of feelings.
00:03:38.280 And one of the ways that I process things is via podcasting, via having conversations with
00:03:43.720 the listeners and helping myself sort out how I'm feeling. And we figured, why not bring it to the
00:03:49.340 pod? So it's going to be a little bit of a different episode, but I did want to get on the
00:03:53.460 mic on this election day eve. Yeah. And thank you for having me here. I am excited to process it
00:04:00.780 with you. It's pretty understandable to imagine that you would feel a little anxious, unsure about
00:04:08.400 what's going to happen because it's a pretty big election and also other things happening.
00:04:13.660 Yeah, it's a pretty big election. And I think I had a moment of really thinking about what's at
00:04:19.180 stake for so many of us, particularly marginalized people. And as someone who has a background in
00:04:25.420 things like disinformation, digital communication, media, I thought it might be a good opportunity
00:04:32.720 to really have a conversation about the kinds of myths and dis and malinformation that I am
00:04:39.920 sure we are going to be seeing tomorrow. We've already seen a lot of it up until the elections
00:04:47.120 and what we're going to see in the aftermath of the elections. And I thought that might be a
00:04:51.240 helpful, just sort of level set for folks, and just generally talk through some of the ways that
00:04:56.160 we know inaccurate, misleading content is going to be showing up in this election. And so before
00:05:02.820 we start any of that, I do just want to level set on terms. I realize that I tend to throw around a
00:05:09.900 lot of terms that people maybe don't know. Maybe people do know these terms, and this is like old
00:05:13.940 news. But so three kinds of inaccurate or misleading information we're going to be talking
00:05:20.000 you back today are misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation. Mike, I know that you know
00:05:26.520 some of those terms from your work producing our series on disinformation called Disinformed about
00:05:31.980 a year ago. Do you want me to give you the definitions of those terms just as we go forward
00:05:38.100 in this episode? Yeah, well, I've been around for a little while while you've been producing
00:05:45.500 these podcasts about these different types of inaccurate information and i feel like i've got
00:05:51.180 a pretty good handle on misinformation being information that uh it's just not true but
00:05:57.560 somebody really doesn't have any malicious intent for spreading it uh disinformation i've heard is 0.96
00:06:04.100 a damn lie that's you that's you okay so you've been either popping into trainings i've done 0.93
00:06:11.900 because that's that's my little line about how to tell the difference between dis and misinformation 1.00
00:06:16.060 misinformation is misleading information disinformation that's a damn lie somebody 0.98
00:06:22.320 is trying to intentionally fuck with you by lying yeah right so i've heard that a couple of times 0.99
00:06:29.480 from me from you uh makes sense nice and clear disinformation it's a damn lie got it malinformation 1.00
00:06:37.380 is kind of a new one for me oh my god i'm so glad you asked so malin for i guess you didn't really 0.88
00:06:42.640 ask but it was a question yeah it was a statement malinformation yes malinformation is really
00:06:49.340 important it's one that we i guess for myself i do a lot of trainings on misinformation disinformation
00:06:54.780 how folks can combat it all of that one that i've only recently started adding more into the
00:07:01.460 conversation is malinformation malinformation is information that is technically correct
00:07:06.880 but it's taken out of context by somebody that probably has an agenda, right? And so
00:07:12.480 it's videos where the videos are not doctored. The person in the video said that thing,
00:07:19.840 but that thing is then taken out of context to make some larger point that is probably misleading.
00:07:26.640 And so you can really think of it as like misinformation is, if you're anything like me,
00:07:30.960 when your mom sends you, you know, things she saw on Facebook about how if you get into your car 0.86
00:07:37.860 and somebody has put a dollar bill under your wiper, don't touch it because that's how sex
00:07:44.920 traffickers get you. And it's a new way that sex traffickers are trying to get you by putting a
00:07:49.060 dollar bill on your windshield. And it also probably has fentanyl on it. And if you touch
00:07:52.480 that, you're definitely going to die. My mom, God lover, doesn't know if these things are true or
00:07:59.360 not necessarily. It just comes on her Facebook page and she's sharing it just in case. She's
00:08:05.140 not doing it out of malicious intent. She's doing it because, you know, let me just share this in
00:08:10.380 case it's true, right? And so misinformation, somebody is not trying to, not necessarily
00:08:14.780 trying to intentionally mislead you. Disinformation, a damn lie. They are trying to intentionally 1.00
00:08:21.000 lie to you knowingly to spread chaos or confusion or fear. And malinformation is technically
00:08:27.760 accurate content that is taken out of context or misrepresented to make a larger point that
00:08:33.200 is inaccurate or misleading.
00:08:35.200 So those are the sort of terms we're going to be throwing around in this episode when
00:08:38.600 we talk about some of the things that you should definitely be on the lookout for as
00:08:42.500 we go into election day tomorrow.
00:08:45.160 Well, I appreciate that.
00:08:45.940 And as the chief science officer, I appreciate that we have gone from two different types
00:08:50.060 of inaccurate information to three.
00:08:52.140 I mean, that feels like a 50% increase in our understanding of these lies.
00:08:58.480 Yeah, I mean, I really got to shout out Dr. Joan Donovan, friend of the show.
00:09:02.340 She uses the term media manipulation, which I think is a good one because, I don't know,
00:09:07.160 I feel like disinformation has almost kind of become like a buzzword a little bit where
00:09:12.420 people are just, the definition of it has become so watered down that it's become a
00:09:20.240 bit of a cliche. And so she likes to use the term media manipulation, which also counts for things
00:09:25.940 that you see on Twitter to sort of get back to the roots of the fact that we're talking about
00:09:30.120 a citizenry being manipulated via what they see on digital media. And so whether you're talking
00:09:34.660 about misinformation, malinformation, disinformation, that is really at the heart of what we're talking
00:09:38.600 about. And so I really wanted to get into some of the things to look out for as we go into our
00:09:44.240 election day today. And one, I guess the first bucket is just sort of general, I guess I'm
00:09:51.120 calling it sort of the general isms, racism, sexism, you know, homophobia, misogyny, essentially
00:10:01.420 the idea that because of someone's identity, that is going to impact what kind of leader they can
00:10:08.720 be. That's something that we have seen so much of in this election, I'm sorry to say. And
00:10:14.080 It can be kind of difficult to see. Some of it is very blatant, but some of it is a little bit more difficult to see. But some things to look out for that we've already seen in the midterms and we're definitely going to be seeing today on Election Day.
00:10:27.100 One, things like baselessly connecting Black candidates to crime or lawlessness.
00:10:35.140 I saw a pretty, I guess I'll say horrific example of this in the North Carolina, a hotly contested race in North Carolina with Ted Budd up against Sherry Beasley. 0.94
00:10:46.760 And in an ad that Ted Budd put out, they basically all but call her a pedophile. 0.95
00:10:53.360 Because Sherry Beasley struck down a bipartisan law requiring GPS tracking for child predators. 1.00
00:10:59.240 A monster.
00:11:00.500 I was able to hear that ad.
00:11:01.720 It's horrific. 1.00
00:11:02.420 She's a monster. 1.00
00:11:04.320 She wants to, like, rape and kill my child. 1.00
00:11:07.580 I mean, that ad definitely makes it seem that way. 1.00
00:11:12.800 I mean, how many people has she personally murdered?
00:11:14.940 It must have been dozens of children.
00:11:16.800 You would think, right?
00:11:17.780 Okay, so essentially this ad kind of blames Beasley for a decision from her time on the North Carolina Supreme Court.
00:11:25.120 And they blame this decision on the horrific attack by a three-time convicted sex offender named Tori Grady.
00:11:34.460 And so what actually is going on is that back in 2019, Beasley joined a four-to-two majority that struck down a law requiring automatic lifetime monitoring for anyone convicted at least twice for the same offense.
00:11:47.380 That decision concluded that such tracking violated the Fourth Amendment and emphasized that most states do not have any sort of lifetime tracking or monitoring.
00:11:57.660 And so essentially, you know, this is from the Carolina Journal.
00:12:00.940 The case was not whether or not Grady had committed the crime.
00:12:03.880 It was not whether or not he deserved forgiveness.
00:12:05.600 The case was about whether anyone who served his time and was no longer even on parole or probation could have their every move tracked and monitored and recorded for the rest of their life, right?
00:12:19.200 And so, essentially, Beasley joined a majority on this decision that, no, it is not constitutional that somebody who is not on parole, not on probation, is not in the system in any way at this point, should have their behavior monitored for the rest of their life.
00:12:35.700 And the ad really misleadingly claims that GPS tracking was instituted under a bipartisan law, quote, until Cherry Beasley struck it down, and that Beasley ruled that it violated the child predator's privacy.
00:12:50.000 But that's just not true, right?
00:12:52.260 There is that decision did no such thing.
00:12:55.880 If you are someone who is on parole, you absolutely can be monitored and tracked by the state.
00:13:01.420 Them saying that GPS tracking has been struck down is just not true. That's just a fabrication.
00:13:08.460 And so it's one of those situations where it is a little bit nuanced, right? I understand what
00:13:14.260 they're doing. They're completely flattening out what actually happened in this way to make it
00:13:19.860 sound very scary that, oh, Cherry Beasley decided that a child predator should have their privacy
00:13:26.840 protected and that child predator went on to attack a child in a horrific way. And it's so
00:13:33.580 savvy how they are able to reframe the facts and what actually happened in this way that it's just
00:13:40.720 misleading. It doesn't tell the whole truth. And I feel like it doesn't actually help North Carolina
00:13:47.420 voters get a better sense of what actually happened. It just completely misrepresents what
00:13:51.700 happened yeah that's absolutely right that ad is really it's like a great textbook example of
00:14:01.920 logical fallacies of uh i i guess deductive reasoning i don't know where they they
00:14:09.400 obviously she was weighing in on this case that had to do with general north carolina law and
00:14:19.820 fact that the entire population of North Carolina and whoever created this ad has chosen the single
00:14:27.680 one worst case scenario of what happened as a result of that decision. And that's just so
00:14:39.420 disingenuous. And there's like if that's the criteria by which any policy is going to be
00:14:45.620 judged. They will all fail. Everything will be horrible. Absolutely. And it's something that
00:14:50.300 we've seen quite a bit of. I remember we definitely saw this when Katante Brown Jackson was being
00:14:56.740 confirmed as the first Black woman Supreme Court justice. But if you remember, I think it was Josh
00:15:02.820 Hawley did almost the exact same thing where they were accusing Justice Jackson of being like soft
00:15:10.620 on pedophiles or soft on crime because of one decision that she had made in her career.
00:15:17.640 And it was like, you know, there was a whole thing where she was like, it's not my job
00:15:20.740 to, you know, it's not my job to interpret like sentencing.
00:15:24.740 That's not what I do.
00:15:25.600 But the way that they're able to create, I would argue, a really unfair playing field 0.51
00:15:34.180 for women of color, people who are marginalized that they can't possibly live up to.
00:15:38.900 So this is like a very common tactic of people who are interested in kind of doing these coded attacks on marginalized people who are running for public office.
00:15:49.300 You mentioned that, you know, this is particularly particularly weaponized against the marginalized people.
00:15:54.860 Do you have other examples beyond Sherry Beasley?
00:15:57.820 Yeah, I mean, I think in the way that we've seen certain buzzwords be flung around to specifically Black candidates, Black women in particular, you know, buzzwords that are at this point essentially just dog whistles.
00:16:11.240 Biden, Warnock and Abrams are woke communist leftists who hate this country.
00:16:17.440 OK, so something that sticks out at me about this is the use of the word, the words communist and woke.
00:16:25.440 As far as I know, I don't believe that Warnock, Stacey Abrams, or Joe Biden have officially endorsed communism, like a very specific thing.
00:16:37.960 And I also think it's interesting how they say like, oh, woke gun laws.
00:16:43.520 What does woke mean, right? 0.53
00:16:44.960 Like at this point, when someone says, oh, their woke agenda, basically what they're meaning is that like that person is black.
00:16:52.460 They don't give you any specific, you know, thing that they think is woke. It's just the woke agenda. And so I've definitely seen an uptick in this when it comes to black candidates where just like, oh, if you want woke policies, that's what they give you.
00:17:09.960 Yeah, it was an interesting ad because I feel like the actual descriptions of the policies that Biden and Warnock and I guess Stacey Abrams, it's not really clear who the ad was against, but like the policies they were describing actually sounded pretty good, like banning AR-15s. 0.98
00:17:31.200 That kind of sounds like a good idea to me.
00:17:33.480 And there was one about like red flag laws.
00:17:36.720 Like, yeah, maybe some people, maybe there should be occasions where red flags disqualify
00:17:41.160 someone from gun ownership in an intensely concentrated, dense society.
00:17:48.540 Mike, it sounds like you're endorsing what we know are bogus mental health exams.
00:17:54.680 Well, that's the thing.
00:17:55.880 It's like the actual policies were totally reasonable sounding.
00:18:00.240 And it was only like they're woke. They're totally bogus. They're communist. They're far radical left. It's like they had to just layer on these descriptors because the actual policies themselves, I believe, are actually popular among most of the American people.
00:18:21.900 I guess I can't speak to the Georgia electorate, but I suspect most Georgians would be in favor of some sort of reasonable gun restrictions.
00:18:33.640 I don't know. Most people in most parts of the country are. I don't know Georgia in particular.
00:18:37.760 I mean, anything sounds unreasonable if you say it like this.
00:18:41.760 If you say it's communist.
00:18:43.100 okay so i have one more example for you and this is a this is an example that kind of pains me
00:18:50.280 because it's an issue that boy i hate to see how it's taken off under gretchen whitmer the radicals 0.60
00:18:59.000 want a drag queen in every classroom so there's a lot going on in this ad one they say that gretchen 0.99
00:19:06.080 whitmer who is running in michigan wants to put quote a drag queen in every classroom first of
00:19:12.620 a chicken i want to go to that school a drag queen in every classroom so first of all that's 0.98
00:19:19.360 not even something that gretchen whitmer said michigan democratic attorney general dana nestle
00:19:23.700 said that in a speech and she was like oh and she said this was in june she said that she was
00:19:28.880 joking and it was it was a joke about her frustration with politicians who focus on
00:19:33.660 these quote wedge issues that divide us right and so let's just try to get a teacher in every 0.91
00:19:39.540 classroom you know we don't have the funding for drag queens in there have you seen the makeup the 0.90
00:19:45.160 outfits the heels like it's a lot of money to put a drag queen in a classroom yeah we cannot afford 0.91
00:19:49.680 that let's just focus on teachers so this is not even something that gretchen whitmer says and and
00:19:54.720 yet in this attack ad it attributes that quote that she never said to her and even the person
00:20:00.780 who did say it says they were just joking and that line was taken out of context but even beyond
00:20:05.980 that, it's clear that this ad is really trafficking in identity-based attacks, right? That a vote for
00:20:13.200 Gretchen Whitmere is a vote for someone who wants to, quote, indoctrinate our kids with gender 0.99
00:20:18.940 theory. And it's really just more of what we've seen of attacks and further criminalization on 1.00
00:20:24.100 trans youth in schools, which I, you know, I hate that it has become a winning strategy for 1.00
00:20:31.940 extremists, to further marginalize a group that is already so marginalized, our fucking babies, 1.00
00:20:38.420 our youth. Yeah. And so not only does this ad include a completely incorrect attack on Gretchen 1.00
00:20:46.200 Whitmere, attributing something that she never said to her, but it also was just a further
00:20:50.400 attack on trans youth and anybody who would dare to support trans youth or be an ally to trans
00:20:56.320 youth. And it's meant to, it's not just an attack on them. I think it's meant to scare parents.
00:21:03.180 It's meant to scare parents that people like Gretchen Whitmere, who ostensibly want to be
00:21:09.880 allies to trans youth or support trans youth in schools, are coming to pervert and attack
00:21:18.240 your children. And you, parents, should be afraid. And it's so clear to me what this ad is meant to
00:21:24.280 do. They certainly are not talking to the parents of trans youth. They are trying to pit parents of
00:21:34.060 kids who are not trans against trans youth. And I think it's just disgusting. And so when we talk 0.97
00:21:40.420 about sort of the kinds of isms in the attacks that I know that we're going to see more of on 0.99
00:21:44.800 election day today that we've already seen in the lead up to the election, this is exactly what I
00:21:49.020 mean yeah it's like an ignorance based attack right like it it attacks gretchen whitmer for
00:21:57.180 wanting to push sex and gender theory on children uh but then also says boys and girls are different
00:22:06.000 i know the difference it's like well how do you know like right like maybe there's some theory
00:22:10.320 behind the difference like why is it so taboo to even talk about gender if it's like so crucial to
00:22:20.280 you that this dichotomous gender exists why is the very idea that somebody might like talk about it
00:22:29.700 and you know apply some evidence to inform theories of what it is why is that so deeply 1.00
00:22:36.320 threatening exactly and i i mean lady maybe you're not a doctor and maybe you should shut the fuck 0.96
00:22:43.980 up like that's like whatever like whatever whenever i hear that i'm just like maybe you don't know 0.99
00:22:49.120 anybody who is trans maybe you don't have any kind of educational background or expertise in this
00:22:55.420 maybe you have no idea what you're talking about and you should just stop talking about it like 0.99
00:23:00.460 like i'm to the point on this now where i'm like why are you positive like why are you on fucking 0.97
00:23:05.300 television talking about trans youth like like what do you even know about it right like why are 0.95
00:23:10.800 you attacking the very idea of talking about it investigating it understanding what gender is
00:23:20.360 it's yeah it's revealing what's so funny you're right on the money what's so funny is that it's
00:23:27.200 like in that ad she's like i don't think that we should be talking to our kids about gender
00:23:32.300 But I do believe that boys and girls are different, and that's very important to me.
00:23:38.440 Yeah. 0.95
00:23:39.200 So which is it?
00:23:40.440 Which is it?
00:23:41.440 Right.
00:23:41.740 Either gender is this important thing, or it's not an important thing.
00:23:45.040 It's obviously an important thing. 0.98
00:23:47.480 Maybe we should teach kids about it.
00:23:49.500 Exactly.
00:23:50.680 Yeah, but again, we digress.
00:23:52.560 Let's stay focused on the election, what we're going to be seeing on election day.
00:23:58.620 Let's take a quick break.
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00:25:39.840 When I was 14 years old,
00:25:42.100 I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months.
00:25:45.620 I survived, and I've spent my life exploring
00:25:48.320 how other people survive what should have destroyed them.
00:25:52.060 I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. 0.70
00:25:55.540 I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything.
00:26:04.120 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable.
00:26:08.380 I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me.
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00:26:24.200 But these aren't stories about what's taken from them.
00:26:27.860 They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
00:26:31.440 Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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00:26:43.560 Here's what you missed.
00:26:44.600 And the argument is, do you want to win?
00:26:48.580 If you don't win, you have no power.
00:26:52.340 It's real.
00:26:53.040 Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests
00:26:56.840 and they complain about the very thing they're receiving.
00:26:59.400 It's raw.
00:27:00.040 I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men.
00:27:08.420 Roland Martin unfiltered.
00:27:09.980 I went off.
00:27:10.820 I said, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
00:27:12.820 Y'all gonna scream at Chanel, but you don't want to see a black luxury company in the same vein. 0.95
00:27:20.060 Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary on the Black Information Network. 1.00
00:27:23.900 Twelve seats. Those are moving south.
00:27:27.200 So if you Democrats, you don't wait to 2030.
00:27:30.260 You better be hitting the ground going hard in the south now.
00:27:33.940 And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:27:46.380 And we're back.
00:27:47.300 So another topic that, frankly, I guess I feel comfortable saying should not be, quote, divisive.
00:27:55.420 I don't think that just the existence of trans youth trying to live their lives should be divisive.
00:28:01.100 But here we are.
00:28:02.100 Another topic that I know that we're going to be seeing a lot of disinformation and misinformation and malinformation around is abortion.
00:28:09.100 We have already seen incumbents who are up for the election really backtracking on their records on abortion.
00:28:17.300 I can absolutely understand why they are very invested in misrepresenting where they actually stood when it comes to Roe and protecting abortion rights, because it's incredibly, their stances are incredibly unpopular, right?
00:28:33.780 So, like, we've seen folks who are running for reelection talk about how, like, oh, well, you know, it really just sent the issue back to the states, things like that, trying to paint people who are interested and invested in protecting abortion rights, trying to paint us as the extremists.
00:28:53.360 We've seen candidates who are supportive of abortion access being accused of, quote, partial birth abortions or, quote, late term abortions, which I always say this.
00:29:04.880 Those are not real terms. They are not medical terms.
00:29:07.440 They are terms that are completely made up by anti-abortion extremists.
00:29:12.560 So in Oregon, Oregon Right to Life sent mailers making claims about what they call, quote, late term abortions in Oregon.
00:29:19.880 Their flyer that they sent out attacked Democratic candidate for the Senate, Mark Meek, who has been endorsed by Planned Parenthood.
00:29:25.560 The flyer has a picture of a baby, and it says babies have to watch their backs.
00:29:30.380 Radical Mark Meek wants to allow late-term abortions right up until the moment of birth at taxpayer expense.
00:29:38.040 Everything about that is incorrect.
00:29:39.200 Like, nothing in that statement is true.
00:29:42.680 Late-term abortions isn't a thing.
00:29:44.860 That's not a real medical phrase.
00:29:46.700 I feel like Pete Buttigieg nailed this when he went on TV a while ago and he he pointed out that, like, when you talk about somebody who's having an abortion at that period, it's because they intended to carry it to term and something terrible has happened.
00:30:06.840 Nobody is choosing to terminate their pregnancy at a late state like that.
00:30:14.320 Yeah, you are 1000% correct. And the fact that this mailer frames it as if Mark Meek endorses that, he's like, oh, I think that, you know, you should be able to, yeah, it's just not happening. And I understand what they're doing. It makes someone who maybe doesn't know much about, like, if you're like a low information voter on the issue, you might not have thought about the fact that like, somebody having to terminate a pregnancy
00:30:42.220 at the moment of birth,
00:30:44.560 like what the circumstances would actually be around that.
00:30:48.220 Maybe you haven't thought about it.
00:30:49.760 They're making it seem as though
00:30:51.320 doctors are essentially delivering babies 0.99
00:30:54.940 and then killing them. 1.00
00:30:56.700 Like out of the vagina into the garbage. 1.00
00:30:59.700 Correct. 1.00
00:31:00.040 So I think that the Oregon Right to Life
00:31:02.880 who put together these mailers
00:31:04.120 are just banking on people
00:31:05.860 not really thinking through
00:31:08.580 what the circumstances would actually be
00:31:11.640 for someone who would need to terminate a pregnancy right up to the moment of birth.
00:31:16.220 And that they're banking on them thinking, oh, that person is, you know, they're banking
00:31:22.520 on them having an intensely negative reaction.
00:31:25.520 And it just makes me sad because like, where is the empathy?
00:31:28.700 Where is the empathy for someone who would actually be in that situation?
00:31:32.300 When it comes to abortion disinformation ahead of the midterms and in the midterms, the thing
00:31:36.360 that gets me is that we've allowed both candidates, elected officials, and in some cases our media,
00:31:43.360 not, you know, fringe media, I mean, like mainstream media outlets to frame abortion
00:31:49.740 as this divisive issue where, you know, oh, we have to do both sides because, you know, people
00:31:56.160 disagree when the reality is that 80% of Americans are supportive of abortion access. There is not
00:32:03.220 a pocket of America anywhere where the majority of people are anti-abortion, even in deep red
00:32:09.160 states. It is not a divisive issue. And the people who are against protecting abortion access,
00:32:17.720 they are the extremists. They are the ones who are widely out of step with the will of the
00:32:22.720 majority of the people. And so that's why you see elected officials having to really lie about
00:32:28.600 their stances on this because they know that those stances are wildly unpopular.
00:32:33.500 They know that most people do not agree with those stances and that the only way that they
00:32:36.860 can even talk about them in a way that would not have them run out of office is to lie and to
00:32:43.740 misrepresent them. And so I can understand why we see these folks backtracking on their records
00:32:48.760 saying like, oh, we're just leaving after the states. Because if they were to say the truth,
00:32:52.180 which is that we're attacking abortion access, they know that that's not what people want.
00:32:56.340 That is not what Americans want. It is not a divisive issue. Whoever decided to frame it that way really pulled a snow job on all of us because it's just not it's just not true.
00:33:05.260 Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. And I think the math changed underneath them in a really big way where it's their position has always been unpopular, right? Like most Americans, I believe, since the beginning of America until now have been supportive of abortion rights and access to abortion.
00:33:26.280 And most people support it. And so, like, people who starting in the 70s decided that it was going to be a winning wedge issue for them, they've always had that difficult challenge of trying to sell an unpopular opinion.
00:33:42.540 And it worked for them because it was intensely motivating to the subset of the population who like really intensely cared. And the majority of the voting populace did not have the same intense feelings.
00:34:01.540 And now following the Dobbs decision, they suddenly realize that they can't just continue to speak to this small group in these impassioned, over-the-top ways to rile them up because they realize that a much wider segment of the population is now listening.
00:34:22.940 And that wider segment of the population wants abortion access. That's something that it's just always been a given in society for like thousands of years.
00:34:38.220 and it's just this recent cadre of right-wing assholes who realized that they could like win 0.97
00:34:46.160 some elections uh by pretending like it's some radical position which it obviously isn't 0.99
00:34:53.700 yeah people need to have abortions it's just the it's just yeah we live in a society people
00:35:00.220 need to have abortions i'm sorry that people don't like it but like that's what it is people
00:35:04.520 need to have abortions. People are gonna have abortions. People been having abortions. Just 0.78
00:35:09.720 let people sort out their own shit. More after a quick break. 1.00
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00:36:02.920 part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks
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00:36:11.000 I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books,
00:36:14.680 the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having.
00:36:17.980 I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed.
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00:36:50.640 See you between the pages.
00:36:51.840 When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months.
00:36:58.620 I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them.
00:37:04.980 I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files.
00:37:08.680 I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, 0.99
00:37:14.100 Shut up. Don't say anything. 0.99
00:37:16.700 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable.
00:37:19.840 unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling
00:37:27.140 that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted,
00:37:34.640 stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them.
00:37:40.720 They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with
00:37:46.280 Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:37:52.920 Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin Unfiltered podcast?
00:37:56.480 Here's what you missed.
00:37:57.500 And the argument is, do you want to win?
00:38:01.500 If you don't win, you have no power.
00:38:05.260 It's real.
00:38:06.160 Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests
00:38:09.760 and they complain about the very thing they're receiving.
00:38:12.300 It's raw.
00:38:12.800 I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men.
00:38:21.340 Roland Martin unfiltered.
00:38:22.900 I went off.
00:38:23.720 I said, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
00:38:25.740 Y'all gonna scream at Chanel, but you don't want to see a black luxury company in the same vein. 0.95
00:38:33.080 Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary on the Black Information Network. 1.00
00:38:36.800 12 seats.
00:38:38.500 Those are moving south.
00:38:39.740 So if you Democrats, you don't wait to 2030, you better be hitting the ground going hard in the South now.
00:38:46.800 And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:38:59.160 Let's get right back into it.
00:39:01.720 So let's talk more about some of that myths and disinformation I know we're going to be seeing today on Election Day about voting more generally.
00:39:09.100 One is just sort of spreading fear, particularly fear to black and brown folks and marginalized voters.
00:39:17.640 You know, every election year we see, you know, oh, people are being arrested at the polls.
00:39:24.420 Oh, a picture that purports to show ICE agents doing arrests of undocumented folks at the polls.
00:39:31.000 Oh, I always see the little thing that's like, oh, they're checking for outstanding warrants or unpaid child support payments at the polls. Clearly, these are tactics meant to scare black and brown voters. 0.96
00:39:47.140 And they're so savvy because they're clearly tactics that play into the very rightful fear and baggage and trauma that black and brown folks have around being criminalized in the United States. 0.98
00:40:01.680 And so what's so fucked up is that oftentimes with disinformation and misinformation, it is the reason why it works is because there's a grain of truth to it. There is one aspect to it that is accurate. And that one aspect is sort of blown out of proportion or like misrepresented. 0.95
00:40:21.340 And so it makes me so sad because in reality, we know there are states where Black and brown voters are being criminalized, right? In Florida, folks with felonies on their records who were told that, who thought that they could vote, went to register to vote, and then the police showed up at their door for voter fraud, right?
00:40:42.820 And so we know that that happened, and we know that that is clearly meant to create a climate where folks who might have felonies on their records, folks who have served their time, paid their debt to society, are unclear on what's happening and are maybe just afraid.
00:41:02.140 And so I have to give it to DeSantis that it is such a savvy move to put fear in the hearts of people who are just trying to exercise their civic duty of voting.
00:41:11.540 And, I mean, if you were someone who had a felony on your record and you weren't sure whether or not you could vote, you've seen these viral videos of folks, Black and brown folks, who thought they could vote, were told they could vote, were given the paperwork to vote, and then were arrested.
00:41:30.080 I could understand why that would keep you from voting. I could understand why that would keep you from the polls. And it's sad to me that when I talk about sort of the lies around Black voters being criminalized, that folks like DeSantis have gone out of their way to make sure that that continues to be based in reality, to make sure that that continues to have that bit of truth. 0.56
00:41:53.660 And we really deserve so much better than leaders who are going to exploit our traumas and baggage and anxieties as marginalized people living in this country that are so real for us.
00:42:10.420 But this is what we have.
00:42:12.140 yeah it's so disgusting and and sad to see people's right to vote attacked and like you
00:42:26.080 said there's like a germ of truth in all successful disinformation campaigns and 0.99
00:42:35.440 there's more than a germ of truth in the idea that like black and brown people have not had 0.99
00:42:40.820 the easiest time voting in the united states right like there's definitely like the right to vote 0.58
00:42:47.260 was just categorically denied to black people for the first hundred so years of the united states
00:42:54.680 and ever since then it's been a fight it's a constant fight it's a fight in this election
00:43:00.760 in 2022 and it's just so dispiriting uh to me and i can only imagine it's even more dispiriting
00:43:10.540 to others but it's like this is the core part of what it means to be like a participating citizen
00:43:15.920 in uh republic is like you get to vote you get to have a say in who leads the the county highway
00:43:27.220 department or like the state dot or like whatever or like the governorship or the presidency or like
00:43:32.920 passes the laws in congress you get to have a say all the citizens get to have a vote and to attack
00:43:39.320 that and undermine it is so antithetical to the the whole enterprise and i guess it's like not
00:43:48.700 surprising because they're so disingenuous and so hypocritical but it and it's almost like it feels 0.77
00:43:58.300 expected at this point like oh well of course republicans are going to try to suppress the vote 0.98
00:44:05.360 of like black and brown people and young people like that's just like what they do but like it's
00:44:11.320 it really like cuts to the core of american democracy being at risk well that's i 0.96
00:44:22.260 that's one of the reasons why i even wanted to have do this episode tonight because
00:44:29.100 I think I was just coming to terms with the weight of that feeling of that it feels I don't
00:44:39.900 and maybe this is going to sound Pollyanna-ish only in the last few years have I come to realize
00:44:48.200 how tenuous and fragile democracy is and you know seeing these these polls about how little
00:44:56.800 and who knows about polls, but I saw a couple of polls that were like, people are interested
00:45:01.640 in economic issues and they're not interested in like protecting our democracy. And speaking just
00:45:08.320 for myself, I don't know how anybody doesn't see those two things as linked. I don't know how
00:45:12.880 anybody doesn't see like just the ability to be a person who is free to try to make a better life
00:45:22.540 for themselves, free to try to start a family on their terms when they say how they say,
00:45:29.900 free to raise that family safely in a safe community with access to, you know, accessible
00:45:36.660 healthcare and food. Like, I don't see how, like, to me, those things are, the Venn diagram is a
00:45:42.740 circle that democracy in living in a democratic state also means, is also connected to being able 0.87
00:45:52.060 to be free to exercise your democratic will and fucking raise your family without, without fear 0.95
00:46:01.240 of, yeah, just being able to raise your family. I see those things. I mean, like, I feel like I'm 0.98
00:46:08.380 like spitting out talking about it, but reading polls that are like, oh, people don't care about
00:46:12.320 abortion. They care about putting food on the table and economic issues. People don't care
00:46:15.820 about democracy. They care about putting gas in their car. I see those things as all the same to
00:46:20.600 If I don't embody autonomy and people don't see that as part and parcel to economic freedom, what are we doing? If I'm not able to go vote free of lies and legit violence, political violence, what are we doing?
00:46:40.180 And so I see that like all these ways that the fabric of what it means to live in a healthy, functioning democracy is being so pulled apart. And I see all the little threads and it scares me. I'm scared. I mean, I usually try to be like optimistic and hopeful on the show. And generally I am, but I am scared.
00:47:01.980 And I hate that. I mean, I'm you know me, I'm not someone who is like very interested in electoral politics as the end all be all. But how the fuck did we get here where the only path to liberation is like, at this point, all we can do is fucking vote.
00:47:24.900 like if it's voting for the lesser of two evils do what you gotta do i want so much better for us 0.99
00:47:31.960 but it's it's do you know what i'm saying like it feels scary it feels like we are
00:47:36.520 it feels like something has been pulled apart and we're trying to scotch tape it back together
00:47:41.740 it is scary times i wish i had some nice words to make it less scary uh yeah it's tenuous
00:47:49.860 it's weird make it all better mike you know and on the eve of this election you know i just like
00:48:00.860 there's a winston churchill quote that i think about all the time about how democracy is the
00:48:08.160 absolute worst form of government except for all the others and it's actually pretty good it's 0.99
00:48:15.080 pretty good and i think it's accurate like it it's so stupid we're stuck in this union 1.00
00:48:23.080 with all these imbeciles who hate the idea of unionism and yet here we are it's difficult 0.99
00:48:31.520 i don't know that there's an answer i think we're all just like trying to get through it 0.99
00:48:35.840 as best we can people listening are like why did i tune into this now i'm bummed out
00:48:43.080 hey you asked me to be on this episode you knew the risks i know i know i know if i want to bum
00:48:50.660 everybody out just bring michael amato on the podcast all i see are risks no it'll be fine
00:48:58.320 everything's gonna be fine well let's i do want to talk about so it's election day i do want to
00:49:05.700 just sort of talk about what we are likely to see on election day and beyond that's why people tuned
00:49:10.620 into this episode. Let's get to that. I know. Y'all, I have COVID. I'm sorry.
00:49:20.640 Let's take a quick break.
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00:49:58.940 If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality,
00:50:03.340 welcome home.
00:50:04.880 This is Prose Society,
00:50:06.640 the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters,
00:50:11.300 pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the
00:50:15.620 same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books,
00:50:21.040 the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm gonna have to look up
00:50:25.320 this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk
00:50:30.240 creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can
00:50:35.200 hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a trojan horse whether
00:50:42.020 you're looking for literary deep dives smart pop culture conversations or a community of readers
00:50:47.160 who love to think a little too much you're in the right place listen to pro society on the iheart
00:50:52.960 radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts see you between the pages when i was 14
00:51:00.560 years old i was kidnapped and held captive for nine months i survived and i've spent my life
00:51:07.020 exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them i'm elizabeth smart and these
00:51:13.340 are the survivor files i just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up don't
00:51:21.720 say anything every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable i knew if he woke up
00:51:29.380 Without a doubt, he was going to hurt me.
00:51:32.100 I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming.
00:51:39.720 They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.
00:51:43.620 But these aren't stories about what's taken from them.
00:51:47.080 They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
00:51:50.700 Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:51:59.380 Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin Unfiltered podcast?
00:52:02.820 Here's what you missed.
00:52:03.840 And the argument is, do you want to win?
00:52:07.840 If you don't win, you have no power.
00:52:11.600 It's real.
00:52:12.500 Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests
00:52:16.100 and they complain about the very thing they're receiving.
00:52:18.640 It's raw.
00:52:19.140 I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men.
00:52:27.720 Roland Martin Unfiltered.
00:52:29.080 I went off, I said, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
00:52:32.080 Y'all gonna scream at Chanel, 1.00
00:52:34.580 but you don't want to see a black luxury company 1.00
00:52:37.720 in the same vein.
00:52:39.460 Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary
00:52:41.180 on the Black Information Network.
00:52:43.140 12 seats, those are moving south.
00:52:46.400 So if you Democrats, you don't wait to 2030,
00:52:49.520 you better be hitting the ground
00:52:51.080 going hard in the south now.
00:52:53.120 And download Roland Martin Unfiltered
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00:53:48.260 and we are back just talking about some things to look out for in terms of this and miss and
00:53:58.440 malinformation on and after election day and a big thing that we really have to talk about
00:54:04.340 on election day and after election day is people saying that because it's taking a long time to
00:54:10.440 count votes that that is somehow evidence of voter fraud or a stolen election now i've already seen
00:54:16.980 a lot of this happening so far. And I need to be really clear. It has always taken a long time to
00:54:22.820 count votes in elections because of things like the increased use of mail-in ballots and early
00:54:28.720 voting. In some places, counting votes cannot even start before polls close thanks to Republican
00:54:35.200 legislation. So in a lot of legislatures, it is very much by design that it takes a little bit
00:54:41.080 of time to count the votes. And people who say this, I would argue that they're actually just
00:54:45.780 lying. Because anybody who has worked in politics, political media, news media for a few years,
00:54:52.320 they know that it is totally normal for it to take a while for all the ballots to be counted
00:54:57.220 and to have a definitive winner. That is not a surprise. If you're somebody who hasn't followed
00:55:01.720 a lot of elections or hasn't followed a lot of this very closely, that's completely fine. You
00:55:06.780 might not know. But the people who go on Fox News and say that it's out of the ordinary,
00:55:12.420 that it takes a little while to count votes,
00:55:14.580 they know that's not true and they're deliberately lying.
00:55:17.320 In this election, we already know
00:55:20.380 that we're going to see contested elections
00:55:24.120 and contested races.
00:55:26.020 We are going to see it taking a little bit of time
00:55:29.520 to count votes in certain places in certain races
00:55:32.400 because of things like mail-in ballots.
00:55:34.660 Because of that weird, nebulous time,
00:55:37.360 that is the kind of time where bad actors can really run wild.
00:55:41.200 You're going to see a lot of claims about voter fraud or election fraud. And I just need to be like super clear. There is no widespread voter fraud in the United States. End of sentence. There might be voting irregularities. Sure, perhaps. Those are never to the scale to actually impact an election. It just does not happen.
00:56:05.780 And so I hate, as much as I hate Trump and his presidency, something that I cannot believe that he actually got into the lexicon that stuck was this idea of like, oh, count every legal vote.
00:56:22.360 I remember when Ivanka Trump tweeted that, like, this shouldn't be controversial. Count every legal vote. It's so insidious how it makes it seem as though there are lots of, so if you're saying count every legal vote, yeah, it sounds totally reasonable when you first say it or when you first hear it, but you're making it seem like there are lots of illegal votes.
00:56:46.000 And that's not true. So it's already kind of grounded in a situation that is not happening. And so I know that we're going to see, we've already seen so many claims about like, oh, it doesn't take a long time to count votes. Like there is something funny is going around.
00:57:03.580 I know that you're going to see it
00:57:06.320 I've already seen some of it
00:57:07.920 I hate that this has become part of our
00:57:11.140 National understanding of the voting process
00:57:14.040 Because it's just not reflective of reality
00:57:16.640 There is no widespread voter fraud in the United States
00:57:19.960 If anybody was going to find it 0.99
00:57:21.960 It would have been Trump in fucking 2020 0.99
00:57:23.620 And he didn't fucking find it 0.99
00:57:24.980 So there's just not any there 0.95
00:57:26.160 Yeah, I think you're absolutely right
00:57:29.600 We're going to see
00:57:33.580 so many claims about voter fraud uh people like making cases to various courts it's just
00:57:45.640 these people have had the past two years to just be like stroking their hard-ons and thinking about
00:57:53.640 how they're going to like yell voter fraud this time around and so they're going to be out there
00:57:59.560 they're going to be doing it yeah they're going to be doing it everywhere that they possibly can 0.53
00:58:04.900 they're probably going to burn arizona to the ground and will immediately burn because they
00:58:09.980 have no water anymore uh it's going to be everywhere though it's going to be everywhere
00:58:17.500 and that's kind of my point of making this episode is that you were talking about burning arizona to 0.99
00:58:23.940 the ground and i know you're kidding but well to be clear i i suggested that they were the arizonans
00:58:30.460 were going to burn it to the ground i was not suggesting that anyone else go there and burn 0.62
00:58:33.860 it to the ground it was a lament not a threat oh i shouldn't go to arizona and burn a town you
00:58:39.660 should not no there are no threats i'm not making any threats to arizona let me cancel my flight
00:58:45.220 here no i'm kidding i'm just concerned for their well-being based on some of the people inside the 0.94
00:58:50.240 Well, so, you know, we're kidding, but we are in this very weird time where shit is just weird.
00:59:00.240 You know, election officials have been warning for the last few days of election-related violence on Election Day and after, which is scary and makes me so sad that that's just where we're at. 0.93
00:59:14.740 conspiracy theories about stolen elections and voter fraud have translated to extremist groups
00:59:20.580 getting trained to become, quote, poll watchers, which basically means they just harass and
00:59:25.960 intimidate voters and poll workers at the polls. Elon Musk owns Twitter. They've got a new
00:59:32.320 pay $8 to get verified verification process rolling out. Stuff is just weird. And so I think
00:59:41.240 in this moment where things feel weird tenuous scary like uh all the things the question is like
00:59:52.540 what can we do and i would say this i mean this is the spiel i always give but one whatever you do
01:00:02.000 don't share or amplify misinformation even if you're trying to like debunk it make a joke of
01:00:09.080 it, point out, like, look at this incorrect information. If you're on a platform where
01:00:13.580 you can report it, report it. But nine times out of 10, if you engage with incorrect information,
01:00:18.540 you're just going to help it spread. That's true for pretty much anything. And so if you
01:00:22.240 see something that is extremist or like a really bad tweet, don't engage with it. Don't
01:00:28.300 share things just in case. We had an interesting situation during early vote where somebody
01:00:34.000 shared that like oh i heard from a friend that if your ballot has writing on it then like a
01:00:41.260 signature on it that it's going to be voided and the election like the county election official
01:00:46.960 had to post on facebook saying actually we are legally required to sign each ballot and so like
01:00:52.900 if we sign it that's like that's actually required of us and so don't share things even if you're
01:00:59.340 sharing them just in case if you cannot verify that they're correct. And instead, focus on
01:01:05.060 sharing positive, accurate content about the election, the candidates, the issues and the
01:01:13.660 causes that are motivating you to vote. It is going to be so much better if you focus your
01:01:19.680 time on spreading that kind of information that is accurate and timely and positive and helpful
01:01:24.480 rather than engaging with information that is not true.
01:01:27.600 And also, if you want a little extra,
01:01:29.740 you can come to a training that I am doing
01:01:32.580 with the organization Women's March.
01:01:34.600 It is virtual.
01:01:35.680 It is on Zoom.
01:01:36.760 It is the Wednesday after election day.
01:01:39.640 It is free.
01:01:40.880 I would love to hang out with y'all there
01:01:43.360 and talk disinformation and the election.
01:01:45.880 I will put the information to join in the show notes.
01:01:48.520 But yeah, if you want a little,
01:01:50.100 if you're going to be like me on Wednesday,
01:01:53.360 probably feeling a little anxious come hang out with me on zoom on wednesday evening
01:01:58.660 hopefully we'll be feeling good on wednesday i mean hopefully i won't be feeling like feverish
01:02:04.420 with covid but also hopefully i'll be feeling better and then just a couple of like random
01:02:10.720 things i want to throw out there as our digital communications platforms like twitter become
01:02:18.160 more and more interesting,
01:02:20.560 we'll say.
01:02:22.920 Now, and given that
01:02:24.500 all this stuff is happening with Twitter
01:02:26.140 while an election is happening,
01:02:29.280 digital hygiene
01:02:30.040 is going to be more important than ever.
01:02:32.460 So if you're listening to this,
01:02:34.740 please, please, please
01:02:35.740 turn on two-factor identification.
01:02:37.740 It is a small step that you can take
01:02:39.700 to protect yourself
01:02:40.540 as this verification stuff rolls out.
01:02:43.500 We don't know how it's going to be.
01:02:44.740 I don't really have any insight
01:02:45.800 on how it's going to work.
01:02:46.960 All I know is
01:02:48.160 I would not be tweeting if I did not have two-factor authentication, so please enable it.
01:02:53.280 I mean, it's such a weird, it's so weird to even talk about it because this is such uncharted
01:02:55.920 territory. Usually I would say like, oh, check to see if there's a verified checkmark, but
01:03:00.900 I don't know if that's great advice anymore for Twitter. So just do, if you're going to be sharing
01:03:05.380 stuff on social media about the election in terms of results and races, just check before you share.
01:03:11.640 I have been fooled before and I do this for a living. They get the best of us. Just make sure
01:03:16.400 that you're checking. And just generally stay calm. Let's take comfort in each other. I know
01:03:25.060 things are weird right now. You might be feeling it. I'm definitely feeling it. Rushing to share
01:03:33.060 things on social media doesn't help anybody. Take a minute, take a beat, check your sources.
01:03:38.460 is let's just try to lean into the comfort of the collective that we all have together.
01:03:45.980 And I guess I would end by saying like, this episode is weird. I feel weird. I have COVID
01:03:52.640 also. But, you know, I just want to say like, we deserve a functioning, healthy democracy.
01:04:00.940 We deserve a healthy media ecosystem. We deserve to have platforms that amplify
01:04:07.900 accurate, honest, timely, helpful information and not extremism and lies. We deserve to have
01:04:14.700 leaders running those platforms who are not complete man-children, who are transparently
01:04:22.380 looking for sycophants and adoration and lashing out at any criticism they get,
01:04:29.780 even though they're really embarrassing and super easy to make fun of. And they let Azalea Banks 0.74
01:04:34.520 live in their house for a while and that didn't turn out well because they're not smart people
01:04:37.900 and they are really invested in people thinking they're really smart even though they're not
01:04:41.380 talking about Elon Musk um we deserve better we deserve better that's all I'm saying is like
01:04:47.780 I hate that we're in a situation where we have to like be working so hard at creating the creating
01:04:56.280 things that we deserve for ourselves frankly you know we don't we we deserve better and I want
01:05:01.820 better for us but i guess this is my plea for voting you know please vote why would people not
01:05:10.000 vote like why why would somebody not vote because there is an entire well-moneyed effective
01:05:16.820 machine invested in telling people that both can't all parties are the same your vote doesn't matter
01:05:24.960 no party is looking out for you they are invested in in having everybody just check out of the of
01:05:33.320 the democratic system just check out of voting and so i don't shame people who don't vote because i
01:05:37.880 know there is like an entire well-moneyed system invested in you being like it doesn't matter both 0.98
01:05:44.700 parties are the same it's so much noise i stay out of politics who gives a shit but there's so 0.90
01:05:50.220 much at stake that even if you feel that way just do it as a personal favor for me please at this 0.92
01:05:56.160 point fair all right well thank you Bridget for taking the time to take us all through this little
01:06:04.240 list of what to expect from the election returns tomorrow I know you got COVID I hope you rest up
01:06:13.840 after recording this um i know that i fought tooth and nail to prevent you from having to
01:06:19.520 record this but the executives at iheart were like we need rigid don't say that an episode for
01:06:27.080 the election so thank you for doing it no this was all voluntary and we're gonna have to do a
01:06:33.160 heavy edit on this because i feel like i sound ridiculous no well thanks for inviting me on uh
01:06:41.760 Thank you, listeners, for listening.
01:06:45.400 Yeah, Bridget, thanks for doing the thing. 0.98
01:06:48.880 Take us out.
01:06:49.600 Thanks for being here, Mike.
01:06:51.540 And thanks to all of you for listening.
01:06:53.620 Oh, I hope this episode doesn't sound awful.
01:06:55.560 I'm sorry in advance.
01:06:56.980 Sorry for making you listen to this.
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