There Are No Girls on the Internet - February 17, 2022


Revisiting Miss Estella's Brilliant Bus

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24 minutes

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3,740

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253

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00:02:06.380 I am so sad to report that one of my all-time favorite guests of all time on this podcast,
00:02:14.820 Ms. Estella Pyfram, passed away from leukemia at the age of 85.
00:02:19.440 Ms. Estella's story is incredible.
00:02:21.920 She was born in the 30s, grew up during the Dust Bowl, became a teacher,
00:02:25.680 and in her 70s spent her entire retirement to build a mobile learning lab equipped with computers
00:02:31.180 so kids and adults in her community who didn't already have access to computers could get online.
00:02:36.380 And she was still driving that bus when we talked last year as part of my birthday fundraiser for Estella's Brilliant Bus.
00:02:44.620 Now, I first heard her story when she was featured in a Super Bowl ad during the 2015 Super Bowl.
00:02:50.140 She quickly became one of my heroes.
00:02:52.640 And as our producer Mike can tell you, I've probably never been more nervous to speak to a guest. 0.99
00:02:57.140 Bridget, I have seen you prepare to interview some badass women who are, like, not to be fooled with. 0.92
00:03:04.180 And I've also seen you prepare to go on talk radio programs with, like, conservative assholes who are, like, hostile to your point of view. 0.70
00:03:17.500 And I have never seen you be more nervous than when you interviewed Miss Estella. 0.95
00:03:25.840 Oh, I mean, the woman is an icon. She's a legend.
00:03:29.860 And first of all, I mean, just being a Black woman who grew up in the South, when you're talking to a Black elder, there is a whole different level of respect and scrutiny that you need to show.
00:03:42.340 Notice how I only refer to Mrs. Stella as Mrs. Stella.
00:03:46.400 And so that was one reason why I was just right off the bat very nervous.
00:03:50.600 You know, this is an elder in our community, and so you really have to show a certain level of deference and respect.
00:03:56.160 And, you know, if I was interviewing somebody like a Mark Zuckerberg, I could do that in my sleep.
00:04:02.540 Interviewing Miss Estella was a completely different story.
00:04:06.380 And also just the fact that I get very nervous when I'm interviewing somebody that I deeply respect.
00:04:11.320 And I so deeply, deeply respect Miss Estella and her work and her legacy and just the incredible life that she lived.
00:04:18.600 And I felt such a deep responsibility to do her story justice because her story is incredible.
00:04:25.000 You know, this is somebody who really lived an important life.
00:04:28.020 So, yeah, I was pretty nervous.
00:04:30.280 What is it about her story that you respect so much and that inspires so much in you?
00:04:36.800 What a good question.
00:04:37.780 I think one of the things that struck me is reading her obituary, how her family talked about how a lot of people thought that her making The Brilliant Bus was her second act, but it was really more like her third or fourth act.
00:04:48.920 And so I just really respect that she was someone who never felt like she was too old to start something that she wanted to do, never felt like she was too old to impact her community, never felt like she was too old to really, like, live her legacy.
00:05:00.840 And so I just respect her story so much.
00:05:04.620 Yeah, you got to respect and love that third act.
00:05:07.500 Miss Estella's family says they're going to try to keep her brilliant bus alive to continue connecting residents of all ages to vital technology.
00:05:15.120 And you can go to tangody.com slash bus to donate.
00:05:18.480 Miss Estella leaves behind four children, three of whom are educators like their mama,
00:05:23.440 13 grandchildren, three great-grandchildren, and countless others that she touched, myself very
00:05:28.940 much included. Miss Estella, you are an icon. Let's listen to her story. So in true nerd fashion,
00:05:35.760 I have a birthday on Pi Day, this weekend on March 14th. And to celebrate, I wanted to honor
00:05:41.140 one of my heroes, Estella Pifrome. You might have seen her story in a Super Bowl commercial in 2015.
00:05:48.340 Ms. Estella spent 50 years in public education, serving low-income kids in a Title I school.
00:05:54.340 Now, while teaching, she saw that many of her kids couldn't always do their assignments 0.74
00:05:58.240 because they didn't have access to a computer or reliable internet at home. 0.63
00:06:02.320 So she created Estella's Brilliant Bus to bring the computers to them.
00:06:06.500 My name is Estella. I'm the owner, the creator, and founder of Estella's Brilliant Bus.
00:06:14.440 The Stella's Brilliant Bus is a mobile learning center where we provide education and technology for underserved communities, to children in underserved communities.
00:06:28.220 And that's what we've been doing since we started, but realizing that the children have other siblings and other relatives that need our service.
00:06:40.760 we have expanded our service to include not just children, but adults in underserved communities.
00:06:49.700 That's what the Brilliant Bus is all about. It's not just a tech center. It's a learning center
00:06:54.440 where we use the bus to provide the technology to accomplish the mission that we set out to do
00:07:01.400 in the communities. After retiring in her 70s, Mrs. Dallas spent her life savings on a bus
00:07:07.180 that she turned into a mobile learning center to help bridge the digital divide
00:07:11.080 and help bring technology to the communities who need it most.
00:07:14.140 Knowing that I was getting older and I was pretty much, I would say, well over seven through one,
00:07:21.940 I knew that if I was going to do anything other than work at the school,
00:07:27.680 I needed to look at what that option might be.
00:07:30.840 And when the hurricane devastated all the people in New Orleans and other places,
00:07:39.340 it sharpened my idea about going out into communities
00:07:44.480 and doing something that I thought would be worthwhile.
00:07:48.840 I had the idea of creating something to take out into communities,
00:07:54.320 but put it on hold because I wasn't really sure what I was going to do.
00:08:01.140 But after that hurricane, I thought about, this is it.
00:08:05.340 According to Pew, a quarter of lower-income teens don't have access to a home computer.
00:08:10.560 And one quarter of Black youth said they often or sometimes can't do their homework assignments
00:08:14.800 because they don't have reliable internet access or a computer.
00:08:18.180 Compare that to just 13% of white youth.
00:08:20.900 This is sometimes called the digital divide,
00:08:22.720 and it presents a big barrier to kids in all communities being able to succeed.
00:08:26.600 I figured if I could create a project that I could take out into the community,
00:08:33.220 because we knew that this was age of technology.
00:08:37.020 And I knew from working with Title I schools that there was that digital divide.
00:08:43.920 So I wanted to keep that going because I know as far as our communities are concerned, that we serve the children that attended the Title I school was missing at home the technology.
00:09:02.180 Mrs. Stella was relentless, and she also dreamed big. 0.74
00:09:05.220 Her first thought was to use her old minivan, and she even toyed with the idea of trying to get her hands on a semi-truck to turn that into a mobile computer lab.
00:09:13.920 So in putting my ideas together, the first thing I asked myself,
00:09:19.560 how can I provide technology to these underserved communities?
00:09:25.240 And I've been thinking about it a while.
00:09:28.600 I knew that the band that I had would not be enough
00:09:33.180 because it was just not big enough to serve more than four or five children
00:09:40.320 at one time, if that many.
00:09:42.940 So I decided, after thinking about it, what is it that I would be comfortable with,
00:09:49.400 knowing that I didn't have a lot of money, and how could I make it work?
00:09:53.720 Because I was of the failure is not an option mindset.
00:10:00.540 So I knew what I was going to do had to be successful, because failure was not an option.
00:10:09.000 So I thought about the band, and I ruled that out.
00:10:12.900 I thought about a semi-truck, and I said, I can't drive that.
00:10:18.120 I'm only back to one out for my lifetime.
00:10:21.980 But then the bus came up.
00:10:24.600 I said, now, if I use a bus, I have a lot more space.
00:10:29.100 And, of course, I can drive a bus because I learned to drive a bus during my childhood
00:10:34.740 because my daddy had no boys.
00:10:38.040 I had six girls, and I was the only girl that was brave enough to learn how to drive the truck and the bus.
00:10:49.040 So I figured I could save some money if I used a bus, because that was something that I could drive when I needed.
00:10:58.720 So I grabbed some paper and a pencil, sketched out a drawing, figured out what I wanted to do.
00:11:08.040 And I started working on it.
00:11:12.160 And it was an idea that I put together on paper.
00:11:17.560 And then I was successful in lifting that idea off the paper and put it into reality.
00:11:24.860 I didn't know that you actually drive the bus yourself.
00:11:27.920 My goodness.
00:11:29.220 Yes, I'm going to drive the bus.
00:11:31.300 And when we first got started, I drove the bus.
00:11:34.960 and most of the videos that's on the website or on YouTube,
00:11:40.900 they didn't believe I could drive the bus either.
00:11:43.640 They all made me drive the bus.
00:11:46.940 You see me driving, I'm driving the bus.
00:11:49.800 But I have someone to help me drive the bus.
00:11:52.400 The producers didn't want that.
00:11:54.280 They wanted me to drive the bus, I guess, to prove that.
00:11:58.500 My age, that I could drive that bus.
00:12:02.160 Do you mind me asking how old you are?
00:12:03.800 You don't have to say if you don't want to.
00:12:05.880 No, I'm 84.
00:12:07.440 It was Mrs. Stella's father who instilled in her the importance of helping others
00:12:11.020 and sharing with your community, even if you didn't have a lot.
00:12:13.820 My father was a migrant contractor.
00:12:17.900 And we traveled from Florida to New York for 19 years to harvest produce,
00:12:26.760 chicken beans, corn, potatoes, and things of that sort.
00:12:31.460 And my dad was a very kind-hearted man who really enjoyed giving and helping people, even though he was a poor man.
00:12:43.280 And we would travel up north, leaving Florida during the month of May, mid-May, and sometime come, we would come back in October.
00:12:56.460 because if you don't have any skills,
00:13:02.000 then you have to do unskilled labor and jobs.
00:13:06.980 And that was what was going on with my parents.
00:13:09.260 Neither one of them ever finished elementary school,
00:13:13.100 so they didn't have skills,
00:13:14.540 but they were very smart and hardworking people.
00:13:18.820 Growing up poor in a government housing project,
00:13:21.560 Ms. Estella knew that not much was expected of her,
00:13:23.820 But the power of community helped her subvert those low expectations.
00:13:53.820 And a smaller percentage of us would probably not make it to college because we would be stuck in that rut and that government project.
00:14:06.640 But I'm proud to say that many of us who went to school out there, graduated from high school, went to college, and obtained advanced degrees.
00:14:22.420 Now, in the project where I lived, it was the ideal of it takes a village to raise a child.
00:14:33.620 And all of us were poor.
00:14:35.860 Most of our parents were working far away in the fields.
00:14:45.200 But there was always someone home in that project during that day.
00:14:50.200 and they would look out for each other.
00:14:53.420 If we got hungry during the day, we could go to that neighbor's house
00:14:57.560 and they'd give us some bread and cheese or bread and mayonnaise
00:15:01.540 or bread and peanut butter.
00:15:02.900 So it's one of those things where the village actually helped raise a child
00:15:09.040 and we learned to share whatever we had, whatever resources that we had.
00:15:15.520 So we just grew up with that mentality.
00:15:18.160 him. Do you feel that that's why you're inspired to give back to the kids in your community with
00:15:24.240 the bus to make sure that they have the same kind of village that helped raise you and your
00:15:28.900 sisters? I'm sure it has something to do with that. And that experience is, I think, what
00:15:35.640 transformed me into the person who I am today, giving and sharing with other people who need us
00:15:45.800 the most. Now summers can worsen the divide between low-income kids and kids whose families
00:15:51.460 can afford things like summer camp. The learning loss that students sometimes experience when
00:15:55.880 they're out for summer break is sometimes called the summer slide, and a John Hopkins study found
00:16:00.500 that by ninth grade, the summer slide makes up for two-thirds of the reading achievement gap
00:16:04.700 between low-income kids and middle-income kids. To combat this, Ms. Estella spent her summers 0.98
00:16:10.520 taking kids on educational trips in her bus. 1.00
00:16:13.900 She self-financed them, looking for deals on hotels and meals
00:16:17.060 so the trips wouldn't cost the families a dime.
00:16:20.360 But then, COVID hit.
00:16:22.800 And now, her bus is in Park.
00:16:25.160 We would go, take the bus, and go into communities.
00:16:30.820 We had worked with churches, community centers, schools, and county organizations.
00:16:37.480 and we would just schedule our activities and we would go out in the community
00:16:43.640 and make things happen.
00:16:45.700 There was no problem.
00:16:47.640 When COVID came along, everybody was afraid of everybody,
00:16:52.260 so business was shutting down.
00:16:54.880 People were afraid of their children and other family members,
00:16:59.260 and, of course, you know, they were dying.
00:17:01.920 So we adhered to what the community was doing.
00:17:06.960 When they shut down businesses, we parked the bus.
00:17:10.260 And now we have two buses now, and we would take these kids across the country
00:17:18.040 to travel the Freedom Trail and also get more exposure to technology,
00:17:23.760 education and technology.
00:17:25.640 And we would get on the road for 10 or 12 days with 100 teenagers,
00:17:31.220 going across country to get more exposure
00:17:35.320 because many of the kids who live in those low-income communities,
00:17:40.280 they don't get to go to town, so to speak,
00:17:44.320 because sometimes their parents can't afford to take them.
00:17:47.780 Many of them are working,
00:17:49.560 or they just can't afford the other expense that go along with it.
00:17:55.020 So three years in a row,
00:17:57.500 I was very successful in taking the kids across the country for 10 or 12 days,
00:18:04.600 giving them the exposure and not having to charge them one cent.
00:18:10.200 And then we were able to expose them through technology and address the summer slide.
00:18:18.560 But this past July, we did not, because we were right, going into or involved with COVID.
00:18:25.000 So, again, we didn't want to be responsible for exposing kids to COVID
00:18:34.500 because they were just learning a little bit more about it.
00:18:39.100 But they didn't know anything about it.
00:18:41.320 They didn't know very much, I would say, about it.
00:18:45.200 So we just decided we'll just stay here and close up like the other businesses
00:18:51.780 until they find out more how to keep people,
00:18:56.340 and I'm talking about adults and their children,
00:18:59.580 safe from the coronavirus.
00:19:03.100 COVID has only shown how important it is
00:19:05.020 for all kids to have access to technology.
00:19:07.520 If low-income kids didn't have computers
00:19:09.880 or reliable internet at home before,
00:19:11.880 how are they supposed to keep up
00:19:13.200 with remote learning during COVID?
00:19:15.500 Pew actually found that one in five parents
00:19:17.600 with kids at home because of COVID
00:19:19.020 say it is very or somewhat likely
00:19:21.040 that their kids won't be able to complete schoolwork
00:19:23.480 because they don't have access to a computer or internet.
00:19:26.660 It's so important to support community leaders like Miss Estella,
00:19:30.140 who won't let a generation of kids get left behind
00:19:32.700 because of their economic circumstances.
00:19:35.200 In Miss Estella's community,
00:19:36.760 they looked after little ones like a village,
00:19:39.120 sharing what little they had with one another.
00:19:41.540 She's a living legend,
00:19:42.560 and her work and legacy is a testament to the fact
00:19:45.880 that anyone can make a lasting difference.
00:19:48.940 Ms. Estella, what a life you have lived.
00:19:51.720 What an inspiration.
00:19:53.480 What do you want to say if somebody is out there and they think, gosh, I want to make a difference, but I don't know what I can do.
00:20:00.380 What's your message to them?
00:20:01.540 Because you've made, you're one woman and you've made such a big difference on your community.
00:20:06.300 What is your message to other people who might be listening who want to do what you're doing and make a difference in their communities?
00:20:13.380 Don't let age interfere with your dreams.
00:20:16.400 is one thing.
00:20:18.860 And the other thing is
00:20:20.740 if you can believe it
00:20:22.280 and willing to work,
00:20:23.820 you can achieve it.
00:20:25.380 I so appreciate it.
00:20:26.680 I appreciate you.
00:20:27.820 I appreciate all that you do.
00:20:29.960 Miss Estella,
00:20:30.740 you are an icon,
00:20:32.520 friend of Oprah Winfrey.
00:20:35.360 Yes, and she wrote the forward
00:20:37.720 in my book.
00:20:39.060 Oh, my goodness.
00:20:39.980 I have a book out there
00:20:41.920 that's called
00:20:42.580 The Legacy of a Humble Black Woman
00:20:45.360 from fear to factory to Estella's Brilliant Bus.
00:20:49.800 It's on the website too.
00:20:51.940 For my birthday, I hope you'll consider supporting
00:20:54.300 Miss Estella's vision for the future
00:20:55.760 by making a donation to Estella's Brilliant Bus 0.74
00:20:58.360 if you're able.
00:20:59.740 Go to tangoti.com slash bus to donate.
00:21:02.560 That's tangoti, T-A-N-G-O-T-I dot com slash bus.
00:21:07.480 If you're moved by Miss Estella's story
00:21:09.440 and want to donate but aren't in a position to do so right now,
00:21:12.580 hit me up at hello at tangoti.com
00:21:14.420 and we'll donate in your honor.
00:21:16.580 We keep us safe and we keep us strong.
00:21:19.700 So let's all keep striving to be the change we want
00:21:22.000 for our communities, just like Ms. Estella.
00:21:25.160 You are a living legend,
00:21:27.300 such an inspiration to me personally.
00:21:30.100 When I saw your Super Bowl ad, I cried.
00:21:32.760 Before we spoke today, I watched it again
00:21:35.180 and I had the same feeling.
00:21:36.860 There's just something so beautiful
00:21:38.420 about what you've done for your community.
00:21:40.220 So I'm so very grateful for you.
00:21:42.400 And at 84, I'm still doing everything that I can do to make a difference during the time that I'm here.
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