There Are No Girls on the Internet - January 07, 2026


The Big AI Podcast Rejection

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00:00:37.600 More Americans listen to podcasts, then add supported streaming music from Spotify and Pandora.
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00:00:55.400 Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse.
00:01:04.060 Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions.
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00:01:14.080 Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:01:19.460 I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive
00:01:26.780 what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files.
00:01:32.380 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled,
00:01:38.200 and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
00:01:43.380 Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:01:52.340 We want to make sure people are at the root of all of this.
00:02:00.500 There Are No Girls on the Internet is a production of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative.
00:02:08.620 I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.
00:02:13.380 Happy New Year. So I wanted to start 2026 off on a hopeful note. I know that we often focus
00:02:20.820 on how technologies like AI are undermining human creative labor. Those concerns are very real,
00:02:26.980 and we will definitely keep talking about them in 2026. But this episode is about something
00:02:32.280 encouraging, a case where human creators are actually being centered and valued in an
00:02:37.880 increasingly automated industry. Because one of the questions I get asked a lot as a podcaster is,
00:02:44.100 aren't you worried that AI will one day replace you? The truth is, there actually are already
00:02:50.620 AI-generated podcasts and podcast hosts. And AI could actually replace my voice already.
00:02:57.920 But would anyone actually want to listen? Great questions. Hi. This is Bridget's AI-generated
00:03:04.980 vocal clone, generated by her podcast recording software. Listeners are really clear that even
00:03:10.720 though AI-generated voices like this one exist and are abundant and cheap and easy to create,
00:03:16.420 no one is tuning in to listen. Because humans want to engage with and build trust with creative work
00:03:21.900 they know is produced by other humans. Okay, so I won't lie, that vocal clone does sound a little
00:03:28.180 bit like me, I guess, but it also sounds weird as hell, right? And it's no wonder that iHeart is
00:03:34.340 keeping AI-generated voices like that one off their platform. So what does all this mean for
00:03:39.940 the future of creative work going forward? To get into all of that, I turn to Will Pearson,
00:03:45.840 because without his support, this very human podcast might never have existed. Will has been
00:03:51.320 making cool stuff on the internet since back before we really knew what any of that meant.
00:03:56.320 And today, he runs podcasts for iHeart and was one of the people behind this decision to only
00:04:01.560 feature human podcasters on the network, not AI. Will, people might not have heard you on Tangody
00:04:10.540 before, but you're kind of like, to quote swingers, like the guy behind the guy behind the guy of
00:04:16.060 iHeart's podcast is how I would put it. That may be fair. I'm happy to see you, Bridget. It's been
00:04:23.180 a minute. Great to be on. It has. It has. When people ask me what it's like working at iHeart,
00:04:28.900 I always say that one of the things I love about it is that the people who are making a lot of the decisions are also creatives themselves.
00:04:36.180 You have been hosting podcasts for a really long time.
00:04:39.340 Recent Signal Award winner, right?
00:04:41.960 Aw, thank you.
00:04:43.080 Yes, and congrats to you.
00:04:44.700 Oh, thank you.
00:04:46.100 So how did you first come to this work?
00:04:47.780 What brought you to podcasting?
00:04:50.000 So I have to back up to the first part of my career.
00:04:54.840 I say first part of my career.
00:04:56.000 I really only had like two different jobs. But in college with a classmate of mine, we started a magazine and then a small media company called Mental Floss and grew it and ran it for about 10 years before we before we sold it.
00:05:11.240 And then we were working for for that company that had acquired Mental Floss for a few years.
00:05:17.880 And toward the end of that time, someone reached out to us from Stuff Media or more publicly known as How Stuff Works with some of the best podcasts in the world.
00:05:28.100 You know, shows like Stuff You Should Know, Stuff You Missed in History Class, Stuff Mom Never Told You.
00:05:33.840 You might have heard of that show, Bridget.
00:05:35.380 I have.
00:05:36.620 Some other really, really good shows.
00:05:38.920 And there was sort of a shared spirit behind what was happening at HowStuffWorks and what we'd been doing at Mental Floss with this whole idea of people like to feel smart.
00:05:50.240 People like to feel well-informed.
00:05:52.460 But sometimes there's a block to that.
00:05:54.200 Sometimes learning can feel daunting.
00:05:56.020 Sometimes it can feel, you know, overwhelming to learn in categories that you may not be an expert in.
00:06:02.120 But our whole goal was to help people learn things across so many different subject areas.
00:06:06.380 and HowStuffWorks was doing sort of the same.
00:06:09.360 And at that time, this was back in 2016, 2017,
00:06:14.040 they were thinking about spending off their podcast division
00:06:16.840 and seeing what could happen with that
00:06:19.420 because people kept talking about podcasts
00:06:22.240 and what these were going to be.
00:06:24.580 And you can remember that stage
00:06:26.720 where not everybody had listened to a podcast at that point.
00:06:29.940 Not everybody even heard about them,
00:06:31.560 but they started to hear about them.
00:06:33.400 And we were really intrigued,
00:06:34.700 the two of us that started Mental Floss together, and we had the opportunity to join the team.
00:06:41.700 And, you know, as you mentioned, first in the form of hosting a podcast, we have a podcast called
00:06:47.160 Part-Time Genius, but also in jumping in and the ability to help sort of strategize and figure out
00:06:54.200 how to grow what we were doing and how stuff works. And we had the good fortune of working
00:06:57.860 with some of the best shows in the business. They were just independent shows at that point.
00:07:02.600 and then about um a year or so after that in 2018 iheart media had come along obviously the biggest
00:07:10.680 player in radio in the u.s but at that point wasn't in podcasting but wanted to figure out
00:07:16.300 how to grow what they were doing and um and somehow they found us qualified to um to be a
00:07:22.740 part of that then it was it was a lot of fun i love building and i love building things um with
00:07:28.640 sort of a small business mentality at first, and then sort of scaling from there. And so we've had
00:07:34.600 the really good fortune of being part of the podcast division here at iHeart for the past
00:07:40.500 seven years, I guess now. And it's just been a blast to be able to grow this.
00:07:45.400 So I'm so glad that you mentioned Mental Floss. This is a show about the internet and technology
00:07:49.700 for people who are a bit younger than me, they might not remember, like Mental Floss has been
00:07:55.220 around since like the the very early aughts right and so when you think about the early days of
00:08:01.280 where you would go to feel cool they're smart on the internet mental floss was one of the big
00:08:06.080 players and so that's one piece that i i want to highlight but also so many people and things that
00:08:13.200 we think of as just ubiquitous online today like hank green right like i follow him on social media
00:08:18.820 he's like like got his start early days mental floss and so it's just interesting to me how
00:08:25.460 you all were really sort of building the architecture of what would become
00:08:30.120 you know how we just understand media and interesting content being online today even in
00:08:35.620 2025 oh that's nice of you to say that and it was you know it's with with any whether it's a
00:08:42.380 success story or just story of building a business there's always this combination of of course hard
00:08:48.360 work and, you know, having the skills to try to build a thing. But then there's also just a lot
00:08:53.560 of luck with timing and the kinds of things that happen in the world around you. Because we started
00:08:59.140 Mental Floss as a print magazine in 2001, right after we graduated from college, we had first
00:09:05.760 started as a campus publication. And then as you pointed out, in the years after that, of course,
00:09:12.540 the internet really blew up. Then social media comes along in a more meaningful way. YouTube
00:09:17.240 YouTube comes along in a more meaningful way. And you're really at the beginning stages of all of these game changing, communication changing medium and platform. And it was so exciting to be able to take this concept of helping people learn, but in a really entertaining way, and to be able to see what that felt like in social media and video and, you know, other medium that we could explore.
00:09:42.180 And and you're right to see to to have the good fortune to work with creators like Hank and John Green that helped write some of our early books that hosted and co-created our YouTube channel.
00:09:54.100 There were just a lot of creators coming up around that same time that were interested in exploring these spaces.
00:10:00.400 And it was it was a blast to get to do it all together.
00:10:03.160 Do you think that we're living in a time where folks can still do that, where folks can just start a publication just because they're interested in something and watch it turn into like a real meaningful thing?
00:10:14.400 Sometimes I worry that if you didn't start your cool project, you know, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, now it's just going to get kind of lost in the sauce.
00:10:22.160 What do you think?
00:10:23.320 You know, it's hard.
00:10:25.240 Do I ever have that worry?
00:10:26.940 Definitely.
00:10:27.340 I definitely have those kinds of concerns.
00:10:29.980 But then you look around and you realize that the ways of cutting through may be a little
00:10:36.060 bit different, but we're constantly watching the creator space and seeing who's coming
00:10:42.180 into it, how they're cutting through the clutter.
00:10:44.960 And I still do strongly believe that if people are creating something really meaningful and
00:10:50.420 if there is an audience that's eager to learn or just discover in those categories, that
00:10:57.320 there are ways to get in front of them.
00:10:58.960 It's a lot of work.
00:10:59.760 It takes a lot of, you know, for creators, the creators that know how to market to the audiences that want to consume their content are definitely going to have that leg up.
00:11:13.760 And that was the thing that we learned very early on with Mental Floss.
00:11:16.720 And I think those same rules apply today.
00:11:18.940 We couldn't just create a thing and put it out in the world and hope that people discovered it.
00:11:23.700 We had to create the thing and then we had to go around to as many like minded, you know, people and audiences and publications and websites and social media platforms and try to get what we were doing in front of them.
00:11:37.420 It was as much a part of the job as anything that we were doing.
00:11:41.560 So it was, you know, it took a lot to do that.
00:11:45.260 Of course, it's still a concern sometimes, you know, in a world where so many people are trying to create content, which I actually think is a very good thing. You know, everybody deserves the chance to try to create if they want to create. But it's a crowded space across podcasting, across any other form of content creation.
00:12:06.340 I still do believe that the creators that are making content that's really, really good have the opportunity to break through. I do think one of our realizations early on with Mental Floss was the marketing side of things was as time consuming and needed as much effort and consideration as the content creation.
00:12:29.660 And I think the creators that we see that learn that very early on and understand it's not just going to be the big marketing firms and the big companies that are going to do the marketing for them, that it requires a ton of hustle.
00:12:45.080 And we've seen a lot of creators.
00:12:46.600 There's a show that we have called The Psychology of Your 20s, which is this fantastic show that sort of came out of the, it really is, came out of the pandemic.
00:12:55.980 The name says it all, right?
00:12:57.380 It's a podcast focused on mental health for those primarily in their 20s.
00:13:03.060 And this was one creator, Gemma, out of Australia that just had this great concept.
00:13:08.800 And she was making something really meaningful.
00:13:10.580 And it started to find an audience.
00:13:12.180 And she really worked hard to get it in front of as many people as she could.
00:13:16.100 And, you know, you fast forward a few years later, we ended up bringing it on to our network so that we can help amplify that and get it in front of even more listeners and now viewers.
00:13:26.700 But yeah, I do believe that it is still possible for independent creators and, you know, sort of young creators to be able to cut through with show concepts.
00:13:39.940 There is truly nothing that fills my cup like doing creative work.
00:13:44.160 It's the thing I love the most.
00:13:45.440 And honestly, it's something I think I'm pretty good at.
00:13:47.700 But what they don't tell you is that if you want to be a full time creative, the job is not just creating things.
00:13:53.420 It's also contracts, taxes, juggling deadlines, communicating with stakeholders, selling your ideas to people who aren't creatives, people who don't always share your vision, let's just say.
00:14:04.920 It's also figuring out how to market your work so people actually find it, all while still trying to make the thing that you set out to make in the first place.
00:14:14.780 And honestly, these are the parts of the job that I've never really had much of a brain for.
00:14:19.760 But Will is someone who knows this dance very well.
00:14:23.420 Is it hard to balance sort of the creative like I'm someone who makes the thing side of your brain with the I am a decision maker part of your brain like marketing that I sometimes find it hard to be both.
00:14:39.020 And I can only imagine what that would be for someone in a position like yourself.
00:14:42.980 It can be. I mean, I think really what happens from time to time is sometimes there are show concepts or pitches that we see that I fall in love with.
00:14:53.420 And I might know at a gut level, those shows are never going to be huge just because maybe they're just super niche topics or for whatever reason.
00:15:03.000 But one of the things that I love about our, you know, our network here and one of the advantages in working of a network of this size is we have the opportunity to balance that out a little bit.
00:15:14.780 For every Jay Shetty and Las Culturistas and Chelsea Handler and, you know, The Breakfast Club and all of the other huge shows that we may have, we also have the opportunity to create content and shows for a more niche audience where that's relevant.
00:15:31.920 And I think that's important.
00:15:33.560 I think, you know, podcasting will really lose its way if it all becomes about just the mega creators.
00:15:39.580 I think the beauty of podcasting is there really is, you know, almost something for everyone right now.
00:15:46.620 The industry is still, I think, trying to address that and making sure that there's representation and content for all audiences.
00:15:54.160 And where there's not, I think we have the opportunity to jump in and try to fill those gaps.
00:16:01.620 Let's take a quick break.
00:16:02.740 We'll be right back.
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00:17:19.020 part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride
00:17:23.520 and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week,
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00:18:08.860 When I was 14 years old,
00:18:11.120 I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months.
00:18:14.640 I survived, and I've spent my life exploring
00:18:17.340 how other people survive what should have destroyed them.
00:18:20.920 I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. 0.70
00:18:24.560 I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything.
00:18:33.200 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable.
00:18:37.420 I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me.
00:18:41.980 I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming.
00:18:49.400 They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.
00:18:53.220 But these aren't stories about what's taken from them.
00:18:56.880 They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
00:19:00.480 Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:19:13.840 At our back.
00:19:14.840 late last year iheart the company that publishes this very podcast announced what they're calling
00:19:22.560 their guaranteed human initiative it's a company-wide policy committing to only airing
00:19:27.880 music and content that's performed and created by real people not ai that means no ai generated
00:19:35.460 podcast hosts no ai musicians on iheart radio stations and that network djs will actually
00:19:42.120 announce that they're guaranteed humans. Now, iHeart will use AI behind the scenes for things
00:19:47.220 like analytics and scheduling, but not for the voices and creative work that audiences hear.
00:19:53.000 And this move came directly in response to what audiences were saying.
00:19:57.240 We want human authentic connection, not AI-generated content in our media.
00:20:03.020 Now, yes, obviously, I will admit that I am biased as a human who hosts a podcast,
00:20:08.340 But this announcement made me deeply happy.
00:20:11.920 I don't want to be super clear that nobody at iHeart asked me to do an episode about this initiative.
00:20:16.820 I just personally really like it because I think that standing up for human creativity is so important, especially right now.
00:20:24.520 My producer, Mike, and I actually talked about this announcement when it first came out.
00:20:30.020 Is not going to try to replace us with robots?
00:20:33.380 Yes. And when people ask me, aren't you worried about AI taking your job as a podcaster? Honestly, I think that the more AI garbage that's out there and flooding the space, the more of a premium there's going to be on actual human connection and actual human art and content.
00:20:53.720 And so I am like, oh, that can only bode well for people, for humans who are still invested and interested in telling actual human stories through human voices.
00:21:05.480 And so, yeah, thank you for everyone listening for continuing to be part of like the human revolution.
00:21:13.980 We are putting a flag in the ground for the human, the human podcasters.
00:21:19.280 so this is what you've really given me a great segue into sort of what why i wanted to talk to
00:21:28.020 you on the show is the iheart announcement about guaranteed human so listeners may be hearing
00:21:33.440 the this is this podcast is guaranteed human before the show which they know i am a guaranteed
00:21:39.760 human yeah you know i feel as we've been having these conversations about ai ai generated content
00:21:45.240 This is really, to me, iHeart doubling down on human creators, right?
00:21:49.600 If more and more of our content becomes AI generated, I think it's a risk of exactly what you just described happening, where all the content kind of sounds the same.
00:22:00.120 You can sort of tune it out because it's all sort of the same.
00:22:02.340 by doubling down on human creators human voices perspectives people who like have a a meaningful
00:22:10.500 connection to the the reason why they want to tell you something you know yeah i i think it's really
00:22:15.860 i i guess it just feels like a very exciting moment in podcasting i the reason why i'm drawn
00:22:23.060 to this medium is that i'm a nerd i want to hear other nerds nerd out on something i want to hear
00:22:29.020 someone, obsess over something and be like, damn, that actually like, who knew this topic 0.75
00:22:34.340 was so interesting? You get that from humans. Yes, yes, exactly. And that was, you know, 0.99
00:22:41.020 beyond this being a thing that we felt like was the right business decision. It's also
00:22:47.620 overwhelmingly what audiences are looking for. When you think about the medium, especially in
00:22:53.600 audio, of podcasting, of radio, why people listen to podcasts and the nature and the experience of
00:23:02.700 listening will just stick with podcasts. Sometimes that word, you know, intimacy is overused a little
00:23:08.460 bit just in terms of explaining that, you know, experience of listening to a podcast. But it's
00:23:12.760 really true. Like it is when you're listening to podcasts, unlike when you're watching a TV show,
00:23:18.740 unlike when you're consuming many other forms of content you're usually on your own you're usually
00:23:24.280 you know exercising cooking doing you know in a commute whatever it may be and it's just you
00:23:30.840 and the podcast host or host and that's an incredibly intimate experience and when people
00:23:36.520 talk about the parasocial relationships that occur between a listener and their favorite podcaster or
00:23:43.380 radio host. And so that's really why people listen. We find that time and again, you know,
00:23:49.360 you can have great guests after great guests after great guests, but if the host isn't right,
00:23:55.180 the listeners won't come back. And so they're here for the host. And so as we started exploring
00:24:01.400 the tools available to us now and the tools that are emerging within AI technology,
00:24:08.140 we saw a lot of promise just in terms of,
00:24:11.580 oh, here are ways that may make production easier.
00:24:14.300 Here are things that may make some part
00:24:16.680 of our process a bit easier.
00:24:18.500 But at the end of the day, through survey after survey,
00:24:21.440 whether it's ones we've done with listeners,
00:24:23.660 whether it's third party surveys that have been done,
00:24:27.160 you see more than 90% of listeners are saying,
00:24:31.180 I want to make sure that the person I'm listening to
00:24:34.080 or the people that I'm listening to are real people.
00:24:37.000 I want to have that connection. I have no interest in listening to something that is not just created by AI, but voiced by AI. And so it was sort of a no brainer for us. Now, I'll say when we rolled this out, we didn't really know what the reception would be. I mean, we didn't think it would be negative, but we didn't really know exactly how people would respond.
00:24:58.040 And to your point now, when you listen to an iHeart podcast or a lot, you know, on radio as well, you'll hear this is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed human.
00:25:08.900 And we just started doing that a couple of weeks ago.
00:25:11.540 And I know we communicated about this, but the number of listeners that we heard from almost immediately was pretty overwhelming in a very positive way.
00:25:21.860 And the other thing that we started seeing was creators like yourself also reaching out.
00:25:26.760 And across the board and saying, this is incredible. How can I do more to get this message out? And so now what we're starting to roll out across our shows, we have a big roster of shows, so it'll take some time to do this, is having each of the creators actually be the ones to voice that tagline, that messaging of guaranteed human.
00:25:48.180 And so now, you know, pretty soon here when you're listening to Jay Shetty, Chelsea Handler, Stuff You Should Know, and, you know, I'm hoping there are no girls on the internet, you'll actually hear the talent themselves saying that.
00:26:01.560 And it's a pretty cool experience.
00:26:02.760 I just heard the sample of it the other day from Chelsea.
00:26:05.980 And you understand how important these voices are.
00:26:09.400 You hear this is an iHeart podcast.
00:26:11.180 And then you hear Chelsea's voice say, guaranteed human.
00:26:14.160 And that's meaningful to know, like, this is her.
00:26:16.960 This is the listener.
00:26:18.180 that relationship. So weirdly in a moment like this, that sort of generates so much fear,
00:26:24.960 understandable fear on the part of consumers, listeners, viewers. Um, it actually has given
00:26:31.600 us a second to take a step back and say, what is it that really brings people to these shows
00:26:38.120 and, and gives us a reminder and a way to say, this is, this is a very special relationship
00:26:43.480 we've created. Don't screw this up. And so I think there's actually been a great moment and
00:26:49.380 a sort of a rallying moment through all of this. If you listen to this podcast, you probably
00:26:54.800 already know that when it comes to AI and technology and media, we are not often talking
00:26:59.740 about anything, even remotely happy. Usually it's quite the opposite, in fact. But when iHeart
00:27:05.340 announced this, listeners were actually really responding. Even in the corners of the internet
00:27:10.240 where i hang out where we're usually just tearing ai youth apart it was something we could be kind 0.94
00:27:16.080 of cheerful about i think when i emailed you i had three different people reach out to me about it and
00:27:21.880 now it's gone up to five and this has not been out for very long and yeah even to like one of my
00:27:26.960 favorite iheart podcasts is better offline there was a whole thread these are so ed has really
00:27:33.760 built a community of like people who are like i would say like skeptical right like yeah i i i
00:27:39.820 i would almost use the word like lovingly like haters these are people who are like
00:27:43.580 i have a lot of criticisms and i'm going to voice them the thread about guaranteed human it was like
00:27:49.100 positive comment after positive comment and i was like wow i love it i spend a lot of time in this
00:27:53.660 subreddit i've never seen such an overwhelming positive response to something yeah and i just
00:27:59.180 think that people yeah in a time where i think it just wading through content and digital content
00:28:08.220 And it just has gotten so fraught.
00:28:10.800 It's just nice to have that that understanding that, hey, you're listening to a real person who is a real voice.
00:28:16.680 You know, whatever trust that you that you would place in the voice of another human, you can place that trust here.
00:28:22.420 And that's there's just something about the medium of audio that I think that's that that is the currency.
00:28:28.220 Like that is why we do it.
00:28:30.140 Yes, I completely agree.
00:28:31.500 I love that you bring up Ed because, you know, what he's done is and I think you're right.
00:28:37.200 sort of like the playful haters.
00:28:38.780 That's such a great way to put it
00:28:39.940 because I don't think they're out there
00:28:41.840 to try to hurt anybody,
00:28:42.980 but I think they are out there
00:28:44.300 to really force us to think about
00:28:45.920 the things that we're doing as a society
00:28:47.980 and in the world of technology.
00:28:50.460 And so it's, and I love having that show
00:28:53.620 in our network and his team in our network
00:28:55.540 because they push us
00:28:57.340 to think about these things as well.
00:28:58.900 Any company, any group of developers,
00:29:03.280 anyone trying to build a thing
00:29:04.980 that doesn't have some checkpoints
00:29:07.080 here and there is probably not going to be the best version of itself.
00:29:11.300 And so I love that, you know, the work that you're doing, the work that Ed's doing to
00:29:15.840 really cause us to stop every once in a while and think through these things.
00:29:19.640 And also to acknowledge, you know, the world of AI and the technology there will be life
00:29:26.140 changing, can be game changing for this world if we do it right.
00:29:30.660 And I think there are moments like this that really do cause us to step back and say, okay,
00:29:35.960 yes we have access to these tools why do we want to use these tools like what is our real goal here
00:29:42.400 what are we actually trying to achieve and hopefully if it's in the service of making
00:29:48.320 lives better making the world better that will channel the way that we use these tools rather
00:29:53.440 than just saying the whole goal is just to make everything for companies cheaper and faster and
00:29:58.480 all of that because then you just end up in a world that's making really bad stuff and um and
00:30:04.220 And so I hope that this is just one example of many, many, many, many, many things happening across the corporate world, the tech world that that I hope causes to step back and really ask those questions before we continue to dive too much deeper into all of this.
00:30:20.120 yes and and i don't know if this is something that you can speak to or not but iheart is really you
00:30:26.440 know i made we're a major player we're like leading the way and i can't imagine that iheart
00:30:31.480 would have made a decision like this if they did not think it was also going to be like good for
00:30:35.720 business and i just something about like all of the the like warm fuzzy stuff that gets my head
00:30:41.800 tingling as a creator that you said i totally agree with but also affirming human creators in
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00:33:59.060 let's get right back into it i have a whole talk that i give about the importance of centering
00:34:11.340 humans in creative work i've delivered it to many different audiences over the last few years
00:34:16.060 and usually folks will assume that i'm going to affirm all the warm fuzzy squishy reasons
00:34:21.520 for why it's important to amplify humans in creative work that creativity is all about
00:34:26.500 humans connecting with other humans. And that is all true. I do feel that way. But it's not just
00:34:33.020 about feelings. There is solid data demonstrating that business types should also want to center
00:34:39.020 humans in creative work because doing so is good for business. Yeah, no, that's the I mean,
00:34:45.020 that's the whole point of you. You have these opportunities and I think they happen way more
00:34:50.920 than people want to, or sometimes think that when you really can find the intersection of
00:34:56.860 what is it that people actually want? What is it that actually can provide a very positive
00:35:02.120 service for people and be the thing that's very good for business? This is definitely one of those
00:35:07.860 cases. You know, if, if the overwhelming majority of people were like, I really want AI content for
00:35:13.700 some reason, then that would be a conversation we would have and a thing that we would explore,
00:35:17.860 But it's just not. And it's actually been kind of fun to see. And I have two teenage kids. It's actually really fun to see that generation that I think five years ago, it would have been easy to assume, oh, these are all kids that just were born with and have grown up with an incredible amount of technology at their fingertips.
00:35:38.800 all they're going to want to see and hear is AI content.
00:35:42.520 They're the most vocally opposed to all things AI from our experience
00:35:48.400 is what I could see.
00:35:49.540 My kids very actively seek things that they know are 100% human
00:35:55.540 and are up in arms when they see something that they feel is sort of
00:36:00.800 not just cheating the system.
00:36:02.460 I don't mean that those that aren't ever using AI tools
00:36:05.900 to sort of make the things that they do easier to do.
00:36:10.240 But whether it's the creation of art,
00:36:12.160 whether it's the creation of music,
00:36:13.760 whether it's, you know, whatever it may be,
00:36:15.900 knowing that these are things really created by people
00:36:18.380 is important to this younger generation,
00:36:21.600 which I find to be encouraging, for sure.
00:36:23.940 Oh, this has been my experience as well.
00:36:27.240 And I actually have a theory that we're going to see,
00:36:29.280 especially younger people, shifting more toward like,
00:36:32.080 because they value authenticity, right?
00:36:34.300 They really value like genuine connection. They can. Let me tell you, as a parent to teens, I'm sure, you know, they can sniff it out when somebody is not being authentic and they will roast you.
00:36:43.780 Yes. Yes. They I can. It has been my experience with young people as well.
00:36:48.820 Yeah, absolutely. And so that part is encouraging. So, you know, it's going to be really interesting to watch over the next three or four years to see, you know, there was just this mad rush over the past few years to get these tools and things out in the world.
00:37:02.640 and and I I actually think there is a movement here to try to help us slow that down a little
00:37:09.020 bit and just make sure we're really thinking through what are we trying to do and and maybe
00:37:13.000 I'm being overly optimistic but but I actually think this is this is an encouraging moment that
00:37:18.680 we're seeing here and voices that are stepping up to say collectively we want to make sure people
00:37:24.900 are at the root of all of this so definitely you know as we wrap up I I one of my favorite things
00:37:31.560 about both being a podcast creator and a listener of podcasts is those moments in a podcast where
00:37:37.660 you could never plan for it. You could never write it in. AI could never replicate it because
00:37:41.560 they're so dang human. Is this a thing that you feel like? Have you experienced moments like that
00:37:47.560 on shows where you're like, hey, I could never do that? Oh, 100 percent. And actually, I think
00:37:52.800 part of what it is, and I'm going to use the word flaw and imperfection, and I don't even know if
00:38:00.420 those are the right words, but they're still part of what makes us human. It's sort of like when,
00:38:05.560 to back up a little bit, when we used to listen to podcasts at the beginning and then editors came
00:38:09.980 along and would try to clean up things too much and remove the ums and ahs and stutters and
00:38:15.480 restarts and those kinds of things. And then you realize that that started feeling less human to
00:38:20.880 people. So that was sort of the early version of what this felt like. I think this is kind of the
00:38:26.280 same thing it's those moments of slip-ups it's those moments of again being human that cause us
00:38:31.880 to connect to somebody if we just hopped on and we were talking about this topic and it sounded
00:38:36.860 like we were reading from an encyclopedia people may get their information dip in and dip out but
00:38:41.820 there's no real connection to the people there so yeah i i completely agree and then when it comes
00:38:47.600 to humor i mean frankly this is just going to be a very interesting experiment and evolution of ai
00:38:53.680 just to see what that looks like.
00:38:55.480 But as you and I both know,
00:38:57.240 at the heart of humor is the element of surprise
00:39:01.340 and weirdness and things that throw people off in a way,
00:39:06.440 even from a minor to a more major scale of that.
00:39:10.580 And I think that's really hard for AI to replicate.
00:39:14.560 And the same thing with emotion,
00:39:17.200 to know what it feels like to be human,
00:39:19.580 I think is very difficult to replicate that.
00:39:22.540 So I'm encouraged by what we're hearing. I love that you're talking about this so much. I think it's incredibly important for us to be regularly talking about this to to do what we can to try to get it right.
00:39:33.500 You know, the reason I wanted to talk to you and sort of highlight this decision is that, you know, we talk about technology on this podcast and there is certainly a lot to be bummed out about.
00:39:44.240 And then also the podcasting space and just medium where generally can be tough.
00:39:48.400 We're often I'm often talking about things that are tough.
00:39:50.660 And so having an announcement that made me genuinely happy and proud to be with a network that gets it, I was like, oh, we should spotlight this.
00:39:57.460 But I guess my final question for you is like, given all that, when you think of the future of tech and the audio landscape, are you are you hopeful? Are you happy about what's on the horizon? Are you hopeful about what you think we'll see and hear next?
00:40:13.080 Yeah, I know. I definitely am.
00:40:15.200 I think sort of back to one of your earlier questions, what we always have to grapple with and think through is how do we make sure that that those that are creating really good stuff are able to get that in front of audiences?
00:40:29.580 Sometimes that's mass audiences.
00:40:31.080 Sometimes that's smaller audiences, but that really want and need what they're what they're hearing.
00:40:36.860 That part of it, that evolution is what I'm very interested in.
00:40:40.440 How does the world of search change to help audio content?
00:40:45.680 You know, as we've seen with whether it's websites or social or other things, these
00:40:49.880 are the challenges that I think we have to think through.
00:40:52.260 You know, we have the very good fortune at iHeart of having the kind of megaphone that
00:40:55.900 we do, but I still want to be able to root for the independent creator that's just doing
00:41:00.140 it all alone and has just started something in their garage and is putting it out in the
00:41:03.840 world to know that there is a path to be able to get their show, their content.
00:41:10.440 content in front of other people. Those are the kinds of questions I think as an industry we're
00:41:14.680 going to have to be asking is how do we improve all methods of discovery to make sure people can
00:41:21.400 find the really good stuff out there. But, you know, like any medium and any form of communication,
00:41:27.200 there are ways to do it. It will all evolve. I'm optimistic about it.
00:41:32.180 It makes me so happy to hear this. You know, I think it's important to note that this
00:41:37.360 This isn't just about podcasts. I mean, this is about all forms of art and expression that are out there. Part of what I was really pleased to see, you know, I have no decision-making ability when it comes to like the radio and music side of the business, but our friends over on the radio and music side of the business here at iHeart were also 100% aligned with this thinking.
00:42:00.060 And so you're seeing more and more music created that is not only AI created, but AI voiced as well. And from that, you're even seeing a few of these shows. You've seen headlines about shows hitting the charts and the country music category and the hip hop category.
00:42:15.740 And I love that iHeart on that side of the business as well also made that decision to say, look, if they want to create that, fine.
00:42:22.840 They should have the right to create that.
00:42:24.820 We're not here to play it.
00:42:26.060 We're not here to surface it.
00:42:27.240 We're here to focus on those that are truly, you know, human voiced, human created.
00:42:32.880 And when we know that to be the case.
00:42:35.800 So I was pleased to see that as well.
00:42:37.660 And I think other medium, other companies, others will join us in this effort.
00:42:43.280 And I think it'll be a very, very good decision on all of their parts when they do.
00:42:47.700 I could not agree more.
00:42:49.060 I think it's really about listening to your audiences and listening to what audiences
00:42:53.060 are saying that they want in their media.
00:42:55.480 I really could not agree more.
00:42:57.840 Yeah.
00:42:58.540 Well, I just want to say thank you for talking about this, for giving me a chance to come
00:43:02.980 on and talk about it.
00:43:04.040 But I appreciate the work that you're doing, Bridget.
00:43:07.020 We need more Bridget Todd's in the world, but thanks for doing what you're doing.
00:43:11.460 Thanks so much for being here, Will.
00:43:13.500 Where can folks keep in touch with you and your work?
00:43:16.540 Well, I hope you will check out.
00:43:18.500 We don't necessarily talk about AI and the work of what's happening in the industry that much
00:43:23.060 because we're sort of a nerdy, let's talk about the happy things across history and science and other stuff,
00:43:29.020 but to check out Part-Time Genius, but also to check out several other iHeart podcasts.
00:43:34.700 It's my favorite part of the job as we get to think about shows across pretty much every category in podcasting
00:43:40.740 And it's just a lot of fun to do it.
00:43:43.200 The way that I describe part time genius to folks who have not heard it is that if you
00:43:47.020 are in a relationship where your partner goes to sleep and you are awake on your phone being
00:43:53.060 like, let's go down our Wikipedia rabbit hole.
00:43:55.480 It is the show for you.
00:43:56.660 Like if you're a good Wikipedia page to just spend a couple hours on.
00:44:01.260 Yeah, this is the podcast for you.
00:44:03.220 Thank you.
00:44:03.780 I appreciate that.
00:44:04.720 We try to be really family friendly.
00:44:06.380 It's definitely more sort of youthful oriented in terms of the topics.
00:44:09.760 A lot of our listenership are actually, you know, teenagers and even some younger.
00:44:14.720 But we try to just take a very playful, nerdy style to all the things we want to learn about.
00:44:20.760 Thanks so much for being here, Will.
00:44:22.480 Thanks, Bridget. It was good to see you.
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