There Are No Girls on the Internet - August 15, 2025


Trump's DC Takeover is About White Supremacy, Not Crime – A Rant from DC

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00:01:54.160 As some of you might know, I live in Washington, D.C., our nation's capital.
00:01:58.480 And when I'm not making this podcast, I also co-host a podcast about local D.C. news called CityCast D.C.
00:02:05.220 So this has been a pretty difficult week for the country, but especially a difficult time for my city,
00:02:10.580 because Trump announced his administration is taking over D.C.'s police force and deploying the National Guard.
00:02:18.120 So I wanted to talk a little bit about what that means for D.C. from the perspective of someone who lives here.
00:02:24.060 There are obviously implications for the whole country from something like this.
00:02:28.020 Trump himself has even said that this is just the beginning and he wants to do similar power
00:02:32.520 grabs in cities across the country.
00:02:34.440 But I really want to talk about it from my perspective as somebody who lives in D.C.
00:02:38.860 and is experiencing the impacts of these recent changes.
00:02:42.320 There are definitely some tech and media implications for the kinds of issues that we cover on the
00:02:46.320 show, which I'll definitely get into.
00:02:48.000 But mostly, this just feels like an attack on my hometown, so it's pretty personal for
00:02:53.080 me.
00:02:53.340 By the way, if you hear sirens or helicopters while I'm recording, that's just my new reality now.
00:03:00.180 So not much I can do about it, but I'll do my best.
00:03:02.880 So this feels personal because, you know, D.C. is my home.
00:03:06.860 I've lived in other places.
00:03:08.200 I've lived in San Francisco and Brooklyn and a few other places.
00:03:10.900 But D.C. is really where I'm from.
00:03:13.680 My late mother, God rest her soul, did her medical residency here at Children's Hospital in D.C.
00:03:19.420 I taught English classes to undergraduates at Howard University.
00:03:22.380 I've made lifelong friends here.
00:03:23.800 I've worked a hundred different jobs here.
00:03:25.320 I fell in love here, had my heart broken here.
00:03:27.620 D.C. is where I have lived the longest and is where I will always return to because it's my home.
00:03:32.680 My situation is a little bit unusual because D.C. has a reputation as a transient city,
00:03:38.340 the kind of place where people move for a few years for a job or an internship or school and then leave.
00:03:43.880 People move to D.C. and might not have a ton of investment in the city long term,
00:03:48.120 Or they might move here and have no idea about D.C.'s very complex history, which you really need to understand to truly understand what is happening right now with Trump's threats to D.C.
00:03:59.360 One weird quirk about D.C. is that people who aren't from here or don't live here tend to really only think about it as a seat of national power.
00:04:07.280 They sometimes forget that there's about 700,000 or so people who live here who endure all of these national political issues really playing out in our backyard, yet who have less electoral power and less agency because we're not a state.
00:04:22.620 And it's a really big problem.
00:04:24.720 So where you live, if you're listening from the United States, assuming you don't live in D.C. like I do, decisions about how your state is run or how your local tax dollars are spent probably lie with your local and state leaders.
00:04:35.980 But that is not really the case for me and other residents of D.C.
00:04:40.020 We have this weird hybrid situation where there is some local control, but ultimately Congress has authority over everything.
00:04:46.900 That same Congress that could not even be bothered to pass the city's budget before going on a recess, causing chaos in every agency that has to plan for picking up garbage or fixing potholes or keeping the libraries and swimming pools open.
00:04:59.760 And all of this is made worse by the fact that D.C. residents are essentially disenfranchised.
00:05:04.780 We don't have representatives who can vote in either the House or the Senate.
00:05:08.920 Even though we pay taxes just like every other American,
00:05:12.660 we have less electoral power and less agency because we're not a state.
00:05:16.660 Our license plates here in D.C. say taxation without representation,
00:05:20.880 kind of a tongue-in-cheek reference to the Revolutionary War era rallying cry
00:05:24.660 against the British Parliament.
00:05:26.540 A not-so-fun fact about D.C. is that D.C. residents
00:05:29.680 only got the right to vote in presidential elections in 1961.
00:05:35.420 So when people say things like, call your representative or call your elected official to oppose XYZ, here in D.C., we have no one to call.
00:05:43.500 Our congressional representative, Eleanor Holmes Norton, cannot vote on bills being considered by the full House.
00:05:49.020 So we don't really have a say or a voice the same way that folks in other parts of the country do.
00:05:54.340 So all of this background matters for how Trump has been able to threaten D.C. even before this week. 0.79
00:05:59.920 He spent a lot of his campaign and first administration really just talking crap about my city.
00:06:06.880 And finally, earlier this week, he announced big plans to take over D.C. 0.94
00:06:11.880 He really likes to say that he has taken over D.C., but we know who's a serial liar, so no one should be surprised to find out that that isn't actually true.
00:06:20.500 The background of this is a little bit complicated, but the quick and dirty version is that D.C. has had what's called Home Rule, or the ability for D.C. to govern itself, since the 1970s thanks to the Home Rule Act.
00:06:31.780 So even though D.C. is not a state, our local government and leaders can still make decisions about what happens here in the district.
00:06:38.040 When the Home Rule Act passed, it was a win for local control and democracy.
00:06:42.400 But it was also an acknowledgment by Congress that the minutiae of running a city is best left to the folks who live there.
00:06:48.900 So to be clear, as of today, home rule for D.C. still stands.
00:06:54.480 It's still the law of the land.
00:06:56.000 So if you hear folks saying that Trump has taken over D.C., that's not exactly right.
00:07:01.320 And that distinction matters.
00:07:02.880 Trump has taken over D.C.'s police, our local police force, Metropolitan Police Department, or MPD, but not the city itself.
00:07:11.400 But even still, Trump just taking over MPD, our police force, is still very, very bad.
00:07:19.400 So let's talk about exactly what's going on here in D.C.
00:07:22.440 So here's the basics of what's going on.
00:07:25.280 On Monday, the Trump administration announced that they were federalizing D.C.'s police force, the Metropolitan Police Department, or MPD.
00:07:32.340 They also announced that the National Guard would be deployed in D.C.
00:07:36.200 Now, D.C. isn't a state, but it does have a National Guard that Trump and only Trump has authority over.
00:07:42.700 Trump is also sending in National Guard from other states into D.C.
00:07:46.700 To do this, Trump evoked Section 740 of the Home Rule Act, which allows for the president to take over MPD for 48 hours, with possible extensions to 30 days during times of emergencies.
00:07:57.820 To do it for any longer than 30 days requires congressional approval, which, let's be real, I honestly don't think would be difficult for Trump to achieve.
00:08:05.640 I cannot overstate how unprecedented this is.
00:08:09.560 No president has done this before, ever.
00:08:12.260 So all of this means that about 850 officers and agents took part in what they called a
00:08:16.940 massive law enforcement surge across D.C., with about 100 to 200 soldiers expected to
00:08:22.460 be out on the streets at any given time.
00:08:25.280 Why?
00:08:26.220 Well, if you take Trump at his word, he says this whole thing is about crime.
00:08:31.900 Honestly, I don't even really like to give a lot of credence to the claims about this whole thing being about crime
00:08:37.440 because anyone paying attention can probably see that that is not what this is about.
00:08:42.840 So it is true that D.C. did have a spike in crime in 2023, but since then, crime has steadily gone down in D.C.
00:08:50.260 But if you watched Trump's rambling, sprawling press conference where he talked about everything from repaving D.C.'s streets
00:08:57.480 to redoing the ballroom in the White House to trans youth in sports,
00:09:02.320 almost every stat that Trump threw out about crime in D.C. was a lie, misleading,
00:09:07.840 or extremely cherry-picked to paint a portrait of crime being out of control in D.C.
00:09:13.400 when it simply isn't.
00:09:14.960 It's almost not even worth calling out all the different instances that he misled people,
00:09:19.940 but here's just a few to give you a sense.
00:09:22.160 So Trump said that crime was getting worse in D.C.
00:09:25.140 That's a lie.
00:09:26.060 A recent Department of Justice report shows that violent crime is down 35 percent since 2023, returning to the previous trend of decreasing crime that puts the district's violent crime rate at its lowest in 30 years.
00:09:37.840 That report shows that when compared to the 2023 numbers, homicides are down 32 percent, armed carjackings are down 53 percent, and assaults with a dangerous weapon are down 27 percent.
00:09:47.840 He also said that the murders in 2023 in D.C. reached the highest rate, this is me quoting him, probably ever going back 25 years, but that they didn't know what that means because the data just goes back 25 years.
00:10:03.260 And so when I watched this presser in real time, I was thinking, oh, I guess he's trying to say that, you know, we've only been collecting this data for the last 25 years.
00:10:11.020 before then we don't really have records. But then when I actually sat down to think about it,
00:10:15.840 25 years ago was the year 2000. Does Trump think that crime data was not being collected in the
00:10:22.720 year 2000? It absolutely was. So that was just another lie. And if people know one thing about
00:10:29.400 D.C. is that D.C. in the 80s and 90s, crime was genuinely quite bad. This was during the crack
00:10:35.840 epidemic that hit D.C. very hard. The city's own crime statistics, which we have from the 1970s,
00:10:42.700 80s and 90s, show that back then when the population of D.C. was smaller, there were much
00:10:48.040 higher numbers of homicides. So not only is that all a lie, it's also a weird, obvious lie where
00:10:54.800 when you hear it, you think, OK, sure. But then when you think about it for just a couple of
00:10:59.840 seconds, you realize how strange and obvious and glaring of a lie that is. I almost wonder if Trump
00:11:06.960 really does think that crime statistics were not being collected in the year 2000.
00:11:12.980 And just anecdotally, I've lived here more or less my entire adult life. Crime ebbs and flows.
00:11:19.500 It is part of city life. I understand that. However, crime in D.C. right now is not out
00:11:26.300 of control. It just isn't. I go for walks by myself. I go out at night and I feel safe because
00:11:32.160 this is where I live. It feels safe to me. Let's take a quick break.
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00:14:40.340 Now, I've heard a lot of people say that this entire thing is a response to the attack on Edward Corustein, also known as the former staffer in Elon Musk's doge department, Big Balls.
00:14:55.520 Big Balls was allegedly attacked on the street in D.C.
00:14:59.500 Thanks to Elon Musk, a one-man misinformation super spreader, there has been a lot of inaccurate information about the facts of what exactly happened in that situation.
00:15:11.080 So I'm not going to really get into that.
00:15:13.460 However, this image of big balls bloodied on the streets of D.C. created a very visceral image of crime in D.C.
00:15:21.480 And I think this is the thing about crime, which is that it doesn't really matter if all of the stats, all of the data and all the evidence suggest, oh, crime is going down. 0.80
00:15:31.260 If you have one visceral image of a bloody 19 year old or one video, one viral video of like a looted out CVS, this has actually caused a bit of a, I don't know, a personal crisis of confidence.
00:15:46.640 Because as someone who has spent my entire career advocating for the importance of truth and facts and media, the whole thing just makes me wonder if we truly are like beyond facts.
00:15:58.140 If facts simply do not matter anymore, the crime rate can be going down by every measure, but people still have an emotionally charged photo or a video and whatever reality that piece of media affirms is the only reality that matters.
00:16:15.140 And I realized that I've really been trying to combat the truciness, I know that's not a word, but allow me that, of the emotions with actual facts.
00:16:26.480 And it's not working because those facts just don't work anymore.
00:16:30.240 It's been a whole thing I've been wrestling with.
00:16:32.480 So anyway, back to Big Balls.
00:16:34.540 So I totally get why people think that the attack on him is what sparked all of this. 0.95
00:16:40.600 I've seen this framing online a lot, that big balls got beat up by some girls and Elon Musk had to ask Daddy Trump to take over D.C. because of it.
00:16:49.260 But I will say that Trump has been talking about taking over MPD for a very long time before Elon Musk was ever even in the White House.
00:16:58.500 He referenced it some during his first administration.
00:17:02.000 But for the most part back then, he more or less ignored D.C.'s local issues.
00:17:07.220 And then he really kicked it up a notch during his second campaign.
00:17:11.260 He actually started out his second administration right when he was in office in January with threatening to take over D.C.
00:17:17.460 And MPD, our mayor, Muriel Bowser, did not make certain concessions, which we'll get into in a moment.
00:17:23.300 He also threatened to take over D.C. when another former Trump administration staffer, Mike Gill, was shot and killed during a carjacking back in February.
00:17:31.140 Trump made those same threats of taking over MPD.
00:17:33.540 So big balls might have been a convenient timing or a good excuse to actually move forward at a time when Trump was eager to talk about anything other than his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:17:45.220 But I guess I would say I would push back a bit on narratives that suggest that big balls got attacked and that's why Trump is taking over MPD, because I don't really think it paints the full story of the fact that this has been a long time coming to anybody paying attention to the conversation that Trump is having about D.C.
00:18:03.220 So if it's not really about crime, then what is it really about?
00:18:07.040 Well, these are my opinions.
00:18:08.740 First, I think with Trump, the overarching theme is always punishment.
00:18:14.400 Listen, nobody not votes for Republicans like D.C. does not vote for Republicans.
00:18:19.360 Like, if you've ever seen that map of who all voted for Ronald Reagan back in 1984,
00:18:25.520 the entire map is just one big blotch of full, solid red, which is so unusual.
00:18:30.880 And there's just two splotches of blue where they voted for Mondale and not Reagan, Minnesota and D.C., right?
00:18:38.880 And so rejecting Republicans has always been our thing in D.C., and especially so for Trump.
00:18:45.560 D.C. overwhelmingly did not vote for Trump.
00:18:48.480 Trump did not even win D.C.'s Republican primary, Nikki Haley, did.
00:18:52.960 We could not be making it any more clear that we do not like him here.
00:18:56.620 And so I think that that's one big reason why you have Trump taking such a hostile stance against this city from day one, because we didn't vote for him.
00:19:06.120 We don't like him. I think that that's also why you saw him start out his administration with these horrible attacks on federal workers.
00:19:13.700 I think a class of people that he senses as being overwhelmingly educated and also overwhelmingly not for him.
00:19:21.980 So I think the first and foremost thing with Trump is always going to be retribution.
00:19:25.600 But I also think it is clearly about mounting federal takeovers, starting with Democrat-run cities, and also, let's be real, cities with Black and brown political leadership and populations.
00:19:38.820 The cities that he called out by name during his rambling press conference on Monday as places that he was looking to take over next were cities like Baltimore, Chicago, you know, cities that have big, booming Black and brown populations and Black mayors.
00:19:54.860 It's just incredibly clear what is going on here, and it's not crime.
00:19:58.780 It's Black and brown leadership. 0.99
00:20:00.760 Trump hates it and wants to destroy it wherever he can. 0.86
00:20:04.040 And unfortunately, because D.C. is unlike any other place in the United States in not being a state,
00:20:09.600 Trump has a lot more authority here in D.C. than he would anywhere else in the country.
00:20:14.360 How else do I know this is not about crime?
00:20:16.060 Well, the Trump administration recently made drastic cuts to D.C. security funding.
00:20:21.220 FEMA's Urban Security Fund cut funds for D.C. to $25.2 million from the fiscal year 2025 Homeland Security Grant Program,
00:20:28.580 which is only a little more than half of what D.C. received in 2024.
00:20:33.360 Doesn't really seem like the behavior of an administration that is super worried about the crime in the district
00:20:38.840 to almost half the amount of money that you spend on preventing crime in the district.
00:20:44.520 And also, if you were genuinely worried about effectively combating crime in the district
00:20:49.160 and not worried about, say, having big shows of military and police forces
00:20:54.860 and have it be a big, flashy thing,
00:20:56.640 if you genuinely were caring about combating crime,
00:21:00.220 you would probably not be using federal agents
00:21:02.840 who are trained to combat things like organized crime
00:21:06.060 and other kinds of federal concerns.
00:21:08.160 Those are not going to be the people who are most useful
00:21:10.960 as officers trying to stop the kind of crime that D.C. has,
00:21:15.340 like walking the streets as beat cops.
00:21:18.520 One of the points that our mayor, Muriel Bowser, has made is that Trump bringing in federal officers and military personnel who don't know D.C. law, because why would they?
00:21:27.340 They don't work here and are not trained in D.C.'s community policing protocols.
00:21:32.420 He is also bringing in military personnel.
00:21:35.680 They are not meant to be dealing with civilians and walking a beat on the streets of D.C., but that is exactly what they are doing right outside my apartment right now.
00:21:44.340 I mentioned our mayor, Muriel Bowser.
00:21:46.780 I feel like I should talk a bit about her.
00:21:48.700 If you don't live in D.C., you're probably like, who is this person?
00:21:52.140 This is not a name that I recognize.
00:21:53.900 I have been low-key kind of defending the mayor.
00:21:57.180 If you heard me on the Cool Zone podcast, It Could Happen Here.
00:22:00.700 I've actually taken a little bit of heat for some of my defenses of our mayor.
00:22:06.040 Listen, I have a lot of critiques about D.C.'s mayor, just like anybody would of their political
00:22:11.420 leaders.
00:22:12.260 If you want to know my thoughts on Muriel Bowser, I'll be happy to tell you.
00:22:15.240 However, the point that I have been making for the last few months is that Mayor Bowser is in a position that no other elected official in the country is in.
00:22:26.300 She is navigating something that no other elected official in the United States has to navigate because she is mayor of a city that is not a state. 0.88
00:22:33.640 She essentially has to navigate this public relationship with an unstable, lying, racist, fascist in such a way that it will hopefully end with what is best for our city taking place. 0.65
00:22:45.700 Which, in my defenses of her, I guess I basically just feel that we should own that that is a reality, right? 0.79
00:22:53.320 And that's a complicated thing to have to navigate.
00:22:55.580 During Trump's first administration, Bowser was really taking a defiant stance. 0.99
00:23:00.800 She did things like painting Black Lives Matter outside of the White House, for instance.
00:23:06.300 But this time around, we saw a very different public positioning from the mayor. 0.57
00:23:12.200 She took this stance of appeasement and contrition with Trump very early, I suspect in the hope
00:23:19.260 that they could play nice and Trump would just sort of ignore D.C.'s local issues.
00:23:24.160 When Trump returned to office in January, two of the early things that he demanded our mayor
00:23:29.000 do was tear up Black Lives Matter Plaza Boulevard outside of the White House and remove encampments 0.80
00:23:34.380 of unhoused people at Trump's direction, which she did very quickly. But none of that, none of that
00:23:41.500 whole song and dance that she did of appeasing Trump and doing what he wanted her to do avoided
00:23:46.400 the outcome that we are seeing this week of Trump federalizing the police force. She had this 0.97
00:23:51.620 strategy of appeasement and making concessions in an attempt to avoid this outcome, although to be 0.99
00:23:56.820 clear, D.C. still has home rule for now. So that horrible, horrible outcome has not yet come to
00:24:01.600 fruition. But I think it's a good example of why appeasing a fascist doesn't work. And it's
00:24:07.620 disappointing that we have to keep learning that lesson over and over and over again. And I have
00:24:13.700 to say, I've been a little disappointed with the way that the mayor is responding to the takeover
00:24:18.300 of MPD. She basically has been on record as saying this might be a good thing for the city to have
00:24:23.400 more police and have military personnel walking around. This could be a good thing. Something to
00:24:27.920 really note is that the first messages out of our mayor's office when this went down was that
00:24:32.900 they were saying they were not going to be mounting any kind of legal challenge to what
00:24:37.200 the Trump administration is doing in D.C. because they did not think they would be able to legally
00:24:41.720 challenge anything because the Trump administration did everything by the book. That is pretty
00:24:48.560 different from what we saw from Trump's actions earlier in the administration when it seemed like
00:24:53.340 they were just throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick and what would be challenged in
00:24:57.640 court. He did this takeover of D.C.'s police force legally to the elector, to the point where it was
00:25:03.660 not able to be challenged at all legally, which is pretty telling. It wasn't until I think yesterday
00:25:08.900 on some kind of a webinar about these changes that the mayor said anything really critical
00:25:13.600 about what was happening. She called it a, quote, authoritarian push, but really barely mentioned
00:25:20.080 Trump by name in any of her public comments. Now, it's possible that she might just be trying to
00:25:25.800 further appease Trump to stave off further threats on D.C.'s home rule, which, I don't know, maybe is
00:25:31.860 a strategy, but in my heart, the way that this is coming off to me, it just feels like we don't have
00:25:39.640 a voice championing us. And in a moment of crisis, that's really what you want. Whether that person
00:25:46.580 can actually do anything. You do want someone who seems to be like they have your back and
00:25:51.920 they're advocating for you. And personally, I have not felt like that at all right now. The
00:25:56.520 only thing I feel like we have is ourselves, is each other, is organizers. I feel like our
00:26:01.880 elected officials have kind of abandoned us. Both the mayor and the city council have been pretty
00:26:07.640 quiet on any criticism of this takeover. Our congressional representative Eleanor Holmes
00:26:12.660 Norton has also kind of stayed out of it. She has a long history of being a civil rights activist
00:26:18.560 going back decades who has really fought hard and championed D.C.'s autonomy. However, she is also
00:26:25.980 the second oldest member of Congress. And so there's lots of questions about whether or not
00:26:30.800 we actually have the leadership that can support D.C. at a time when we clearly need the support
00:26:36.300 and the backbone. And again, I get that some of this might be good strategy. I'm sure somebody
00:26:41.960 out there listening is like, oh, maybe this is all part of their strategy. But if I'm being honest,
00:26:48.060 it just feels really shitty. Part of this might be my own emotionality because this week has been
00:26:54.860 a doozy. It is a doozy to walk around your city and see military personnel harassing people. It's
00:27:01.500 a doozy to feel like you don't have a say in what's happening on your own streets, in your own
00:27:07.500 block on your own city. And so I want to own that like this could be just my own emotionality of
00:27:15.440 the situation. I do think that even if it's meaningless posturing, I would have liked to
00:27:21.580 have seen elected officials in D.C. who at least made me feel like they were standing up to Trump
00:27:28.280 if even if in reality there wasn't much they could do, if it was just words. It really made me
00:27:33.580 realize, even if words are just words, sometimes you want to hear the words. I don't know. Maybe
00:27:38.340 it sounds silly, but I was a little bit disappointed. Like, you are looking for a
00:27:42.600 message of strength and leadership, like somebody's got this, and then just hearing crickets doesn't
00:27:47.680 feel great. And I do also want to own that, unfortunately, the reality is that the mayor of
00:27:53.440 D.C. has a lot less power and protection than someone like Gavin Newsom, who has two senators
00:28:00.800 behind him when he took a defiant stance against Trump when Trump deployed the National Guard in
00:28:05.880 LA earlier this summer. Even folks like J.B. Pritzker or Wes Moore, they're all governors
00:28:10.740 of states, and that statehood gives them a lot more protection and autonomy. And here in D.C.,
00:28:17.160 we simply do not have that. And I think when we talk about the importance of stuff like statehood,
00:28:22.120 it is so easy to just get caught up in talking about it as a civil rights issue or a racial
00:28:27.020 justice issue or democracy issue, which it absolutely is, but statehood also really matters
00:28:32.460 for how we are able to combat this kind of chaos and hostility. Otherwise, D.C. residents like me
00:28:38.360 end up feeling like we are being held hostage by a madman.
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00:31:44.100 all of this just goes to show that dc needed full statehood yesterday we needed full statehood
00:31:51.520 before this ever before trump was ever even in the white house we've needed it since forever
00:31:55.880 and we don't have that and until we have that this kind of chaos that trump has been able to
00:32:01.480 unleash on our city is not going to end and i want to talk a bit about what i'm seeing as a dc
00:32:07.960 resident here on the ground because things in D.C. are chaotic and grim. We've seen Border Patrol,
00:32:15.600 ICE, DEA, FBI, and the National Guard walking the streets of D.C. Anecdotally, I can say I have seen
00:32:22.480 them in places that, to me, really don't make a ton of sense, like patrolling the super safe
00:32:28.580 Georgetown neighborhood at 10 o'clock at night when it's essentially a ghost town, or patrolling
00:32:33.760 the National Mall at 2 p.m. on a weekday. There was also an ICE raid at the Home Depot out in
00:32:39.440 Northeast this week, too. The D.C. police put out an executive order saying that the D.C. police
00:32:44.400 were now going to be coordinating with ICE so that even if they stop somebody and that stop
00:32:49.400 does not end with an arrest or anybody in custody, they would still be allowed to alert ICE about
00:32:55.460 that person and their whereabouts, which I think gives you a sense of the kind of coordination
00:32:59.080 they are building into all of this. Last night, there was a huge display of force and arrests
00:33:04.360 right on my block, which is essentially residential. I counted over a dozen police
00:33:08.780 vehicles, including unmarked SUVs and Border Patrol pickup trucks. They arrested people who
00:33:13.960 were just coming out of a grocery store. And a lot of these big shows of force have been around
00:33:19.360 arrests for very low-level offenses. Things like people smoking weed in public, which here in D.C.,
00:33:26.040 possession of marijuana is decriminalized or open containers like drinking in parks or fair evasions
00:33:32.780 on buses. The kinds of offenses that it makes absolutely no sense to have FBI agents arresting
00:33:39.980 people for. It seems like we now have a bit more information about the category of arrests that
00:33:45.020 were made, and they can kind of make sense of some of the facts and figures and stats coming
00:33:49.300 out of the White House about what they've been doing in D.C. this week. You know, they've been
00:33:52.640 putting out these big statistics about all of these arrests that they come into the city and
00:33:56.980 been able to make this week. So far, according to my sources, in total, since this went down on
00:34:02.100 Monday, they have made about 100 arrests. However, that is about average for the amount of arrests
00:34:07.900 that D.C. would have made without the Trump administration being in charge. So that means
00:34:11.840 after all of this, they are not even really getting more lawbreakers off the streets. So again,
00:34:17.640 if this whole thing is meant to be about crime, which Trump says it is, what exactly is the point?
00:34:22.640 As I'm recording this tonight, I've been reading up on updates about a checkpoint they set up on 14th and U Street, which is kind of a busy corridor with lots of bars and restaurants and shops, where they've apparently been stopping every car just trying to drive by.
00:34:37.520 I don't know what they're looking for, and honestly, they probably don't even either.
00:34:40.980 I did an interview with a local reporter from The Washington Post who told me that the majority of the stops were for things like folks not wearing seatbelts or broken taillights or having expired tags.
00:34:51.180 You know, real violent crime.
00:34:53.480 It just feels like a good old fashioned dragnet, which is meant to be illegal.
00:34:57.680 And I think that tonight, Wednesday night, was really the first look into what all of this is actually going to look like in D.C.
00:35:05.420 Things like checkpoints, disruption and a real general fear in citizens.
00:35:10.980 I also saw an image of a block totally blocked off by about six police cars, all trying to make an arrest of one person.
00:35:20.880 And oftentimes you have these intergovernmental federal level military personnel really just standing around.
00:35:28.340 I think they're meant to be, I don't know, intimidating or something.
00:35:32.680 They're just standing there.
00:35:33.980 And I always wonder, like, how much money are we paying to pay these people to stand around in an empty neighborhood at 10 o'clock at night?
00:35:42.360 I think the point of all of this is really to inflame tensions and have there be chaos on the streets.
00:35:47.940 Not for nothing, but we're also in the middle of a pretty bad heat wave here in D.C., so tempers are already hot.
00:35:54.240 Now you've got law enforcement, law enforcement that are not necessarily trained on D.C.'s protocols, some of whom are military and thus not even really trained on dealing with civilians. 0.76
00:36:04.540 And my biggest worry is that all of this is going to result in somebody doing something stupid and the whole thing will turn into a powder keg. 0.93
00:36:11.860 And I have to imagine that that is the outcome that Trump wants as well. 0.99
00:36:15.080 I think that is the point of all of this.
00:36:17.220 This is also a direct attack on the unhoused community here in D.C.
00:36:21.520 We have already seen horrible footage of unhoused people being taken away by police.
00:36:26.420 I'm not even sure to where.
00:36:28.360 Yesterday, the White House said that they were going to start forcibly removing unhoused people
00:36:32.260 and forcing them to go to either shelters, hospitals, or jail, or face fines.
00:36:37.740 Which, I don't know how fining somebody who is living on the streets works, but okay.
00:36:41.920 The issue is, D.C. does not have a ton of shelter beds,
00:36:45.520 and not every unhoused person is going to want to go to a shelter.
00:36:48.800 It doesn't make sense for every unhoused person to go to a shelter.
00:36:51.460 I get that.
00:36:52.460 This has been an issue long before Trump ever got involved.
00:36:55.620 But his solution is just a brute force removal of people.
00:36:59.360 He doesn't really have a clear plan for where these people will go.
00:37:02.720 My guess is that quite a few will end up in jail, a strategy that is not only incredibly
00:37:07.020 expensive, it's a strategy that has been proven over and over again to also be ineffective.
00:37:11.700 And I think that is a big part of the issue here.
00:37:14.640 D.C. is a city, and in any city, you're going to have issues like homelessness and crime,
00:37:19.360 and it's just the reality of life in a city.
00:37:21.860 Getting people housed takes time.
00:37:24.700 It is a process.
00:37:25.960 Just wanting to quickly move people who might not have anywhere else to go because they
00:37:30.200 look unseemly, as Trump said, is not solving the problem.
00:37:34.360 All you are doing is traumatizing people who are already extremely vulnerable and forcing
00:37:39.640 them to move someplace without a clear plan.
00:37:41.800 And the sad thing is, with the money that we're paying to have federal agents take away unhoused
00:37:47.620 people, we could probably house every unhoused person in D.C. But again, it is not really about
00:37:53.440 any of that. It is not about actually solving problems. It's about the show, the posturing.
00:37:59.180 Okay, so that is my rant. If you're listening and you're not in D.C., you might be thinking,
00:38:04.480 what can people do? What can I do? You're thinking that because you're a good person.
00:38:07.480 and you're listening to this podcast. I appreciate it. So as I have made clear, we do not have
00:38:13.260 meaningful congressional representation in D.C. So we need people who don't live in D.C. to be our 0.99
00:38:19.940 voice, to advocate on our behalf. So contact your representatives and advocate for full statehood
00:38:26.820 for D.C. Republicans like Mike Lee from Utah have introduced the Bowser Act. Yep, an act
00:38:34.720 disparagingly named after D.C.'s mayor that would strip D.C. of home rule. I don't have anyone that
00:38:41.440 I can call to make my opinions known about how bad that is. So if you are listening, call your
00:38:47.980 representative and advocate for the self-determination of folks in D.C. Also, follow local
00:38:54.460 organizations like Free D.C. Free D.C. is an advocacy organization that is advocating for
00:39:00.520 self-determination for folks in D.C. They've been around since the 60s, so very long history of
00:39:06.320 doing good work in D.C. I did an interview for CityCast D.C. with an organizer from Free D.C.,
00:39:11.500 and they told me they were very prepared for this outcome. They had a census was coming and
00:39:16.100 they've been preparing for it for a while. And what they're focused on right now is really making
00:39:20.240 sure that D.C. residents know their rights, know that they do not have to consent to certain
00:39:24.840 interactions with police, and running trainings on things like cop watching, you know, how to film
00:39:29.740 and how to watch police out in the streets.
00:39:32.040 Also, please make sure that you're sharing good, accurate information.
00:39:37.500 This is a little bit tricky because I get the impetus for wanting to share things
00:39:43.920 when you see them, if they scratch a part of your brain, whether they're true or not.
00:39:49.140 I totally get it.
00:39:50.720 However, I think in times of crisis, what people need is facts.
00:39:55.280 What people need is confirmation.
00:39:57.220 And I've just seen a lot of people, people that I trust, people that I respect,
00:40:00.740 playing a little fast and playing a little loose with the kind of information that they are amplifying right now.
00:40:05.980 So I think it is incredibly important to be precise right now in this time of chaos and confusion and change.
00:40:13.020 I have seen so much misinformation floating around about what is actually happening in D.C. right now.
00:40:18.600 And I guess I would say that what is happening in D.C. right now is very bad.
00:40:23.340 it is bad enough on its own, but Trump has not taken over D.C. Trump has specifically taken over
00:40:30.960 D.C.'s police. There is certainly a threat of Trump taking over D.C. because we are not a state,
00:40:36.660 but that has not happened. I think it is important, especially during times of confusion
00:40:40.380 and crisis, to amplify good information and resources, not rumors. Trump and his fascist 0.92
00:40:47.420 enablers, they want us scared. They want us confused. They want us to not know what the 0.93
00:40:52.700 truth is. And we don't have to help add to that kind of a climate for them. One of the narratives
00:40:58.660 I've seen floated a lot is that Trump is going to essentially give D.C. to billionaire Peter Thiel.
00:41:06.000 So the idea here is that Trump would sell or give D.C. to Peter Thiel to create a deregulated
00:41:11.640 so-called freedom city, which is a very constant talking point of people like Curtis Yarvin,
00:41:18.160 who is this far-right, pro-authoritarian voice
00:41:21.360 who is very cozy with the Trump administration.
00:41:24.360 I have seen this claim all over the internet.
00:41:27.740 I will just say this.
00:41:30.000 Telling people that you believe this is going to happen
00:41:33.460 is not a resource.
00:41:35.140 What people need right now is facts
00:41:37.060 and verified, substantiated information.
00:41:40.200 And I just don't think it helps people
00:41:42.440 to get on the internet and potentially spread panic
00:41:45.460 about something that just is not happening today.
00:41:48.160 when we are in a time of change and confusion and chaos already.
00:41:53.560 I don't think that there's never any value in speculating about what's next.
00:41:57.920 I think we should be keeping an eye on the future.
00:42:00.340 But I have seen this thing where I think people are really keen to be the first to amplify
00:42:07.000 a narrative or a claim that they think is going to get lots of engagement that feels
00:42:13.700 sexy and flashy.
00:42:14.960 And I completely get that.
00:42:16.760 However, people also need facts and resources.
00:42:19.620 And I understand that that's a lot less sexy and a lot less flashy, but that's what actually
00:42:23.620 was going to help people right now.
00:42:25.000 And that's what people should be amplifying.
00:42:26.800 So let's talk about that.
00:42:28.200 Let's talk about what could be next, what could be coming down the line.
00:42:32.420 So first, can Trump take over D.C.?
00:42:35.320 Trump has said time and time again that he wants to revoke D.C.'s home rule and have
00:42:40.300 the federal government dictate how D.C. is run as a city.
00:42:43.660 This would mean that D.C. would have no mayor, no city council, and the only people who would decide how D.C. is run are Trump and a small handful of commissioners that Trump personally appoints.
00:42:55.300 I think the last time that D.C. did not have home rule, it was three people.
00:42:59.140 None of those people lived in D.C.
00:43:01.040 In fact, the only person who lived in D.C. who could even potentially see the impact of their leadership was the president who lived in the White House.
00:43:11.500 So this would mean that all of D.C.'s services, public schools, social services, trash pickup, road services, D.C. public health, all of it would be run by Trump personally.
00:43:23.160 To even get a road repaved in D.C. would require congressional oversight.
00:43:28.560 And we have been through this once before.
00:43:31.100 the last time that D.C. did not have home rule and it was run by the president and Congress,
00:43:36.580 it turned out that nobody actually wanted to be in control of the minutiae and everyday issues
00:43:41.840 of running a city. So guess what? They basically didn't. And D.C. was deeply neglected. It was not
00:43:48.880 a good time for the city. And that is what Trump has been saying he wants to do. And the thing is,
00:43:54.700 Trump hates cities, yet here he is clamoring to run one. And I think that is my big issue with
00:44:02.620 all of this. I hate how people on the left, myself very much included, are kind of playing
00:44:07.920 into Trump's narratives about cities and crime. I find myself being so reactive combating all of
00:44:15.140 the different lies that Trump tells about our city being this bombed out crime infested hell hole
00:44:21.220 that it's like he pulls me into playing his game
00:44:25.760 where the only thing I can do is combat all of these lies
00:44:28.580 and I'm not actually telling the truth of the reality
00:44:31.820 that I know to be true about my own city.
00:44:35.040 Our cities are not crime-infested hellholes.
00:44:38.800 Our cities are great.
00:44:40.520 Our cities are awesome.
00:44:42.220 Washington, D.C. is a great place to live.
00:44:45.060 People want to live in cities.
00:44:47.040 If D.C. was not a good place to live,
00:44:48.900 my rent would not be so expensive.
00:44:50.600 People obviously want to be here.
00:44:53.020 New York City is a great place to live.
00:44:55.240 People want to live there.
00:44:56.460 That's why their rent is expensive.
00:44:57.980 Public transport, subways, buses, the metro are safe and good and people use them and
00:45:03.980 rely on them because they make our lives better.
00:45:06.660 Chicago is a great place to live.
00:45:09.000 People go to these cities.
00:45:10.800 People who don't live in these cities get on planes and get in cars and get on buses
00:45:15.400 to visit these cities because they want to see them because those cities are good.
00:45:20.820 Millions of people choose to live in these cities every single day and keep moving there
00:45:25.700 despite sky-high rent, despite things like crime being a reality of living in a city
00:45:31.260 because they want to live there. 1.00
00:45:33.280 If you are an old racist fuck like Trump or a scared little boy like these pundits on Fox News 1.00
00:45:38.560 who make a living talking about how terrified they are when they step onto the asphalt in a city, 1.00
00:45:43.980 I can understand why being in a city might be unfamiliar and scary.
00:45:48.100 But those of us who live in cities and those of us who like cities and those of us who respect cities, see and understand how silly that is.
00:45:56.580 Right wing lawmakers and right wing influencers from red states get on TV or get on the Internet and talk about how terrified they are to walk down the streets of D.C., a city where me and the kinds of people that they would probably denigrate as my blue haired, queer, soy boy art school friends navigate every single day.
00:46:15.380 Like, I thought y'all were supposed to be tough.
00:46:17.020 Guys, so tough that you completely fall apart with fear when you step outside in the city
00:46:22.640 that I navigate every single day of my life.
00:46:25.420 We live in cities because we love culture.
00:46:27.940 We love the strangeness of strangers.
00:46:30.140 We love walking.
00:46:31.160 We love the rush of trying to make it in a place that is hard.
00:46:34.140 Yes, crime happens in cities, but crime happens everywhere.
00:46:38.100 And I refuse to be drawn into a debate that begins and ends about arguing crime statistics
00:46:43.220 because this whole thing has never been about crime.
00:46:46.400 It is and always has been about Trump denigrating cities as somehow un-American.
00:46:51.540 But our country was founded in cities, cities like Philadelphia, New York, and Boston,
00:46:57.140 by people who loved cities.
00:46:59.460 Cities are good.
00:47:00.600 Cities are part of how we understand America and how we have always understood America.
00:47:05.200 How many movies, books, and songs are about people heading out to the city
00:47:09.460 in search of something good and something better?
00:47:11.760 In that Velvet Underground song, Rock and Roll, it is a New York station that saves Jenny's life with the power of rock and roll from her town where nothing is happening at all.
00:47:22.460 Like, I'm not going to sit here and let Trump rewrite the narrative that cities are bad when we know that cities are good and have always been good, no matter how many times Republicans want to howl that they don't.
00:47:33.800 If you need any evidence of that, just look at real estate prices.
00:47:37.320 So that is my rant about this whole thing. 0.97
00:47:41.220 Honestly, it has been a fucking week here in D.C. 0.97
00:47:44.140 I've barely slept. 0.95
00:47:45.980 Things are not great here, but I love my city, even in a time where I feel like it is tough.
00:47:53.320 I don't know what's next for D.C., but this is still always going to be my home.
00:47:57.080 And I know that I will outlast Trump here.
00:48:00.700 You know, I know that.
00:48:02.060 And I just think that even at a time where it feels like our political leaders and elected officials maybe don't have our backs in the way that we would like them to have, the one thing I do know is that I believe in us.
00:48:16.700 I believe in the power of people.
00:48:19.700 You know, I was telling you about how on 14th Street, they had a checkpoint set up of military personnel taking people out of cars.
00:48:27.100 They also have lines of D.C. residents lined up that self-organized to stand around and boo those people and make their displeasure known.
00:48:35.760 I believe in the power of people like that.
00:48:37.880 And, you know, I know that things are weird and tough right now, but sometimes that's really all you have.
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