There Are No Girls on the Internet - What’s your favorite scary movie？ Scream, the 1996 horror classic, is a commentary on tech and media frights

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00:01:21.320 happy Halloween Halloween is my favorite holiday yes I am one of those people who starts preparing

00:01:31.100 for spooky season even while we're still solidly in summer I live for a horror movie and I think

00:01:37.820 there's just something about how horror is able to do sharp satire or social commentary against

00:01:42.680 the backdrop of a spooky story so when I sat down to re-watch the 1996 horror classic scream last

00:01:49.480 week, a movie that I have not seen since I was a kid, I realized this is a movie that is desperately

00:01:55.040 trying to tell us something about our collective frights around media and technology. I joined my

00:02:00.680 friend Samantha and Scream scholar in residence Annie over at the podcast Stuff Mom Ever Told You

00:02:06.640 to discuss how Scream is a commentary on all of our collective tech and media anxieties.

00:02:11.180 So listen, if you dare.

00:02:19.480 I do think that there's something about anxiety around technology, communication systems. How many scary movies had the trope of like, the phone's gone dead or like some bit of technology that we maybe don't fully understand or don't fully respect or appreciate coming back to get us?

00:02:39.720 Like, that is a common, I believe, like a common trope that is really related to our anxieties collectively around technology, particularly new technology, or like over reliance on technology that really sets us up for a kind of horror situation.

00:02:56.160 yeah uh and i i've noticed there's like a whole newish genre of like movies like unfriended or

00:03:05.240 movies about like social media and these kind of technologies that are part of our everyday lives

00:03:10.980 um it's also interesting to see other movies like missing or searching where they're trying to

00:03:15.460 explain because a lot of horror movies yeah it's like oh the phone's not working really

00:03:19.960 like trying to explain how technology can fit into that or how it doesn't and can't or yeah

00:03:26.920 that dependence on it yeah so I just watched on the plane to Berlin I watched Missing

00:03:42.740 and for folks who haven't seen Missing it takes place almost entirely through screens and so

00:03:48.200 you're watching someone's laptop you're watching like they're having a video chat with somebody

00:03:53.960 they're they're messaging somebody like you're watching security footage from a screen like

00:03:58.560 the whole thing takes place on a computer and I also there is like a thing that I'm really

00:04:04.000 interested in mostly because I really like cheesy movies that are kind of like trying to make a

00:04:09.180 social commentary but it's actually kind of funny just like scream so I watched this movie uh the

00:04:14.600 influencer recently which i thought i didn't love but like is about anxiety when it comes to people

00:04:21.280 who share their whole lives on social media another one that i watched that's kind of similar

00:04:25.940 to that is um sissy have you seen that we just did that okay what did you all think

00:04:32.880 it made me think a lot about uh it stuck with me i will say yeah uh yeah it was definitely

00:04:40.740 one of those where i left like oof uh that did not resolve how i would have wanted it to resolve

00:04:49.720 but you know um the kind of making money off drama thing which i know we're also going to

00:04:55.500 talk about in here uh left me unsettled yes i i agree and i will say like to set up this

00:05:02.480 conversation the reason why i wanted to talk about this today is that i watched scream the

00:05:06.960 first one, the original from 1996 yesterday. And I was like, wow, you know, this is a movie that is

00:05:12.000 really about the anxiety around technology and media, right? I had seen Scream. Maybe I saw it

00:05:18.860 when it first came out when I was like a child, but I've only seen it twice in my life. The first

00:05:23.240 time I saw it when it first came out, a lot of the commentary about media and technology and

00:05:29.420 tropes was really over my head because I was a child. Watching it yesterday, I was really struck

00:05:34.120 by how this movie is really a commentary

00:05:36.700 about the anxieties people were facing

00:05:38.500 in the 90s around media.

00:05:40.520 So I should say right off the bat,

00:05:42.580 I saw Scream 3 in the theater with my friends.

00:05:45.620 I think I must have seen Scream 2

00:05:47.820 like partially on television every now and then

00:05:51.100 because I remember the Jada Pinkett Smith part viscerally.

00:05:54.380 So, but I don't think I've seen the whole thing

00:05:56.580 because I'm looking at the plot on Wikipedia

00:05:58.360 and I'm like, none of this seems familiar to me.

00:05:59.980 Oh dear, I love Scream 2.

00:06:03.120 It was filmed in Georgia.

00:06:04.120 Agnes Scott. Oh! Made in Georgia! Have you ever seen that at the end of shows? No. Okay, it's what they say at the end of bad reality TV when they've been filmed in Georgia. Okay. Okay, well, yeah, I'm so excited to have this conversation. And the second one definitely plays into this. So does the fourth one. I'm excited. Let's, yeah, let's get into it. 0.96

00:06:30.540 Okay, so if you have not seen Scream, the first one, this conversation might have some spoilers, but like it came out in 1996. So, you know, what are you doing? But having watched it, I was just really struck by the ways in which it is like a commentary on the anxiety that that folks have around youth and media. So the rough plot outline of Scream, actually, Annie, as our Scream kind of sword, do you want to hit us with the plot, the plot outline?

00:06:58.240 Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. Yeah. So Scream is like many slasher movies. It follows a group of high school students. And the movie opens with a very violent death scene of Drew Barrymore, by the way, that traumatized me.

00:07:14.060 And introduces you to the killer who asks, like, what is your favorite scary movie? Quizzes Drew Barrymore's character, Casey, about what it is. And then from there, of course, we get various other deaths. The Rose McGowan's garage death also stuck with me.

00:07:31.760 um but yeah it's one of the things i love about scream is you're following this group of of kids

00:07:38.420 and they really make you suspect everybody but as the story kind of unfolds you learn that the

00:07:45.660 main character sydney her mom had been murdered and she had testified about it and it was this

00:07:52.740 guy caught weary the names are also great in this movie um they really are they really really are

00:07:59.700 And there's also some media happening around that. And Courtney Cox's character, Gail Weathers, who is this like really ambitious reporter, is in town and trying to ask her, ask Sydney, get an interview with her about all of that.

00:08:15.360 And then we have our character Dewey, played by David Arquette, who I had a crush on from this movie, who is like the deputy of the town. So you've got all these characters, and they're just sort of slowly dying off, or friends of theirs on the periphery are anyway.

00:08:34.540 and our character randy is sort of our meta commentary guy he is the guy who has seen all

00:08:41.560 the horror movies and he is the one who lays out the rules of surviving a horror movie which at

00:08:48.220 this point there's a killer around so they're kind of joking that they're in one every screen

00:08:54.120 movie has a party in it so they go to this party even though there's a curfew even though there's

00:08:58.740 killer it like makes no sense like she's literally being stopped dewey as the deputy has been told

00:09:06.040 like by his higher up like make sure she stays safe so then in the next scene he's literally

00:09:11.160 dropping her off at a party and like being like okay we'll have fun right but he's trying to he's

00:09:20.320 got a crush on gail who he knows will be there um and they kind of form a duo married in real life

00:09:26.800 at the time at the time yes and gail leaves this camera inside the party to spy on the kids which

00:09:32.880 is really funny because it's like a 15 second delay or whatever becomes important later but

00:09:39.040 randy lays out the rules of like you can never have sex you can never do drugs uh you never say

00:09:44.420 i'll be back you won't be back you'll be dead and then we see kind of people drinking and dying 0.94

00:09:50.620 people having sex and then almost dying. 0.51

00:09:53.100 But all these things just build up.

00:09:55.240 And then it's kind of hinted that it's her dad who is the killer.

00:10:00.640 But there's been this through line of her boyfriend, Billy, 0.97

00:10:04.220 who's been pressuring her to have sex. 0.59

00:10:06.400 And no, you don't do that if you want to survive a horror movie.

00:10:10.240 And she also has a hang up around it because her mother, 1.00

00:10:12.980 after she died, all this commentary was she was a slut and deserved it. 0.99

00:10:17.220 So she has a real hang up about it. 0.99

00:10:18.940 understandably and she eventually is like okay i want to have sex i really want to 0.86

00:10:26.560 have sex and then it's revealed he is the killer along with his friend stew 0.83

00:10:32.720 matthew lillard and that they also killed her mom because they billy blamed sydney's mom 0.92

00:10:41.100 for why his parents got divorced uh so it wasn't cotton weary it was billy loomis

00:10:47.400 and then they say that we're gonna blame the movies we're gonna blame the movies

00:10:51.820 but then sydney like steals their little voice vocoder thing and comes out and basically kills

00:10:59.260 them with the help of gail who's returned after her cameraman was murdered uh and reports on the

00:11:06.480 whole scene as uh i think it's moby plays i've seen this movie way too many times

00:11:11.820 that was a really great rundown so i tell you i the character gail weathers when i first saw scream

00:11:21.620 as a young person i didn't really so i've always liked bad characters like not necessarily the

00:11:29.860 like the like ultimate villain like i didn't like billy and stew but like characters that are meant

00:11:34.900 to be bratty or annoying or i've always been like that's the character that i like and so i was

00:11:40.920 obsessed with her character. Her little

00:11:43.220 suit, I thought she was so cool. 0.96

00:11:45.140 I guess I, like, took away all of

00:11:47.240 the wrong messages from this movie

00:11:49.040 because I then grew up wanting to be, like,

00:11:51.600 a careerist, a career

00:11:53.260 woman journalist ball buster. 0.99

00:11:55.420 She also had a lot of the good lines 1.00

00:11:57.320 were hers. Like, she really had

00:11:58.760 good one-liners. So

00:12:01.180 that, you have set the scene beautifully. So

00:12:03.140 when Scream first debuted in

00:12:04.920 1996, the country was

00:12:07.060 really engaged in this, like,

00:12:08.820 national dialogue about the impact of violence in media on you. In 1996, President Clinton

00:12:15.440 signs the Telecommunications Act of 1996, legislation that has gone on to shape a lot

00:12:20.720 of our internet and media landscape even today. It was a huge change in the telecommunications law

00:12:25.380 because it was the very first time that the internet had been included in like broadcasting

00:12:30.360 allotment, right? Was being legislated of like how they were metering it out and how people

00:12:35.200 could access it and all of that. So as part of this legislation, the Clinton administration

00:12:39.280 rolled out technology called the V-chip. Do you remember the V-chip? I don't remember the V-chip.

00:12:44.960 It was kind of a blip in our, I guess, tech and media landscape. Like, I remember a lot of

00:12:51.740 conversation about it, like on television and in, you know, with lawmakers. But ultimately,

00:12:56.420 it had a pretty, a relatively like small impact, which we'll talk about in just a moment. So

00:13:01.120 if you don't know what the V-chip is, the V-chip was technology meant to allow parents to block

00:13:05.680 like racy or mature content from televisions. Televisions manufactured in the United States

00:13:10.560 market since January 2000 were required to have V-chip technology. So V-chips worked by allowing

00:13:17.280 your TV to receive a special code in the broadcast signal that was broadcasting shows and movies

00:13:22.500 that indicated a rating of what kind of program that was and like whether or not it was suitable

00:13:27.640 for different audiences. So, you know, when you watch TV now and you see up in the corner,

00:13:31.680 that little black and white logo, like TVMA or TVY, that is related to V-chips, right?

00:13:37.700 So like TVMA would be content that is mature. So if you had your V-chip programmed, there would

00:13:43.780 be a code in the programming that would allow you to block mature content from your household if

00:13:50.200 you were worried about your kids seeing it. So the phrase V-chip was purportedly coined by

00:13:55.700 then-representative Ed Markey of Massachusetts. According to him, the V stood for violence,

00:14:01.060 because they were really concerned about blocking out violence. But if you ask Tim Collings,

00:14:05.360 who is one of the people who claims to have invented V-chips, he says the V stood for

00:14:09.720 viewer control. What is the truth? I'm not sure. So parents at that time were really,

00:14:17.120 really had a lot of anxiety that violent movies and violent programming that kids were consuming

00:14:23.040 was linked to violent behavior.

00:14:25.700 There are like, I wanted to include here

00:14:28.140 like whether or not that is true.

00:14:30.700 There is way too much research out there

00:14:32.560 for me to summarize.

00:14:33.780 Like some people are like, oh, there's a clear link.

00:14:35.720 Most researchers are like, oh, the link is like

00:14:37.440 needs more studying, not clear.

00:14:38.960 Do you have any like sense of this

00:14:40.340 as somebody who enjoys horror?

00:14:43.060 I am under the impression,

00:14:45.600 because I remember this too,

00:14:46.840 especially as somebody who plays video games.

00:14:48.140 This argument comes up all the time

00:14:49.300 about violent video games,

00:14:50.320 that there has not been any, like, definitive link proven.

00:14:56.000 And I think I found one that said, yeah, I mean, it's not like

00:14:59.860 a lot of us who see horror movies are, I'm not a murderer.

00:15:06.220 Like, I don't know.

00:15:07.640 Most of it has been kind of, yeah, there's not,

00:15:10.380 there hasn't been any science to really back that up.

00:15:13.340 But there is a lot of anxiety around it, like we were talking about before,

00:15:18.140 especially around kind of parenting

00:15:20.580 and like, what should I let my kids watch?

00:15:23.140 Is this going to make them more violent?

00:15:25.580 I'm much more, I have much more knowledge

00:15:27.460 about like how certain entertainment and games

00:15:31.080 actually help you work through stuff

00:15:33.060 or form some skills.

00:15:34.680 But yeah, it's a lot.

00:15:35.540 It's a lot of conversation happening

00:15:37.040 and a lot of back and forth for sure.

00:15:38.680 I know around this timeframe with all the movies,

00:15:41.760 as this was getting in conversation,

00:15:43.600 unfortunately, the Columbine shooting happened

00:15:45.900 And that was the biggest blame, not gun violence, not bullying, but that it was the violence on TV and the games that the kids played, the two perpetrators played.

00:15:57.180 And they focused on that really hard because it seemed to fit the narrative that they've been trying to set up since 1995.

00:16:02.760 So, like, four years later, 99, was when the shooting happened.

00:16:06.680 And, like, the conversations about bullying and the conversations about being outcasts, the conversations about gun control really was sidelined to violence on TV and violence for video games.

00:16:18.980 I remember that being a huge thing.

00:16:20.960 Yes, I've definitely seen that.

00:16:22.400 Do you remember how the musician Brian Warner, who you might be more familiar with as a stage named Marilyn Manson, like, he was really thrust into the national conversation about, like, what's wrong with our kids?

00:16:32.600 And looking back at that time, even though my research, you know, I'm not a researcher, but when I've looked into the link between violent media and violent behavior, that link does seem fuzzy at best.

00:16:49.620 Like, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of information out there that really proves a, you know, a correlation.

00:16:55.520 But I really understand how we still get so much, like, hand-wringing and anxiety about it.

00:17:01.540 Because if you're a parent and you're worried about your kids, you're worried about sending your kids to school, you can't really control the legislation around guns in the United States, right?

00:17:10.240 Like, we've just, like, lost the ability to really have any kind of, like, direct impact on that, I think.

00:17:15.280 You really can't control what's happening at your kid's school when you're not there.

00:17:18.940 I think one of the reasons why you see this anxiety around media is because it feels like something you can control. Like, even if that link is not really there between violent media and violent behavior, I think that in absence of feeling like they have something they can cling to, something they can control, something they can like, it just becomes a backdrop to project your anxieties onto.

00:17:43.820 that even if it's not really the appropriate thing

00:17:48.560 to hand-wring about,

00:17:49.840 I understand how it becomes like

00:17:51.420 in absence of anything that you feel like you can control,

00:17:54.640 you feel like you can control the kind of media

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00:18:53.420 I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them.

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00:19:47.040 and one of the things i find really interesting about scream is that in the end almost every

00:19:58.740 killer realizes this almost every killer comes out and says oh we're gonna blame the movies oh

00:20:06.620 i'm gonna blame this oh i was on reddit and now look at me like it's they know it um and they use

00:20:13.560 it and that's what their defense is going to be in several cases like actually the defense they're

00:20:19.660 going to use in court um so they they recognize that this is a thing and i think it becomes like

00:20:26.540 almost like a red herring where it's like if you're so busy focused on reddit or the movies

00:20:33.580 or the this or the that you're not actually focused on the real issue and the killers in

00:20:38.780 these movies they know that and they're using that as a way to evade their like accountability

00:20:43.300 for their crimes they're like i can just blame this and because of all that anxiety because of

00:20:47.260 all that hand-wringing my actual motives what i've how i've actually done this just goes overlooked

00:20:52.520 right and it's part of the fun of these movies is they are so meta so it's you're watching a

00:20:58.900 slasher movie that's basically telling you like yeah we know uh people are going to blame us for

00:21:06.420 stuff and we're going to talk about it which is one of the things I love about them right and so

00:21:11.820 the way that the scream movies really were a commentary on the conversation around violent

00:21:17.820 media that we were having at that time in the 90s plays into that so much because with technology

00:21:23.380 like the v-chip the burden was shifted off of like the government or tv people who make media

00:21:29.680 onto parents to be the sole controls of what kind of media their kids are consuming right and so like

00:21:36.120 if i'm stew and billy and i'm just blaming the violent movies really what that's actually saying

00:21:42.280 is like oh it's the parents the parents should have like used this v-chip to block their kids

00:21:47.820 from seeing prom night or halloween and they didn't and now he's a killer like it was just a

00:21:52.660 real way to like expertly shift the blame around that i think it mirrors the conversation that

00:21:58.900 folks were having in the 90s and so even though there was all this conversation and also public

00:22:04.100 support around technology like the v-chip that was rolled out in the end one of the reasons why

00:22:09.880 like annie you were like v-chip never heard of it is because it wasn't really being used that much

00:22:14.640 by parents a study that followed 110 families from 1999 to 2000 found that just nine families

00:22:21.740 regularly used their v-chip to control mature and violent programming i have my theories on why this

00:22:27.820 is i think setting it up was kind of cumbersome i think a lot of parents were like oh this is a

00:22:33.420 little bit complicated. I'm not going to do this. So I went back to check the different rating

00:22:37.360 systems. Like we're most familiar with like TVMA and things like that, but there's so many of them.

00:22:41.860 There's TVY, TVY7, TVG, TVPG, TV14, TVMA. Then inside of that, there's different content

00:22:48.580 descriptors, right? D stands for sexual or suggestive dialogue. L stands for coarse or

00:22:54.300 crude language. S is sexual situations. V is violence. FV is family violence exclusive to the 0.55

00:22:59.960 TV Y7 rating. So it's complicated as hell is what I'm saying. And so I can understand why parents

00:23:05.660 were like, uh, this is way too many acronyms. I have work in the morning. I am not setting this

00:23:10.000 up. I also suspect like if your household was anything like my household, if you were a teen

00:23:15.840 at this time, the responsibility for setting up the technology and like telecommunications in your

00:23:20.920 home probably fell on your shoulders. Your parents were like, I don't know how to set this up. You do

00:23:25.340 it. So if you're the young person who is being asked to like, like you're not going to be setting

00:23:30.400 up parental controls on your own TV if you are the person who is responsible for setting up how

00:23:36.300 TV happens in your home. Right. So that's what I suspect might have been part of why this like

00:23:41.360 technology just did not take off. You know what I find funny, though, with that is, yes, I was

00:23:47.260 in that generation. I was a teenager when the Internet came out. Like I did not have the

00:23:51.920 access to internet until I left for college because my parents were not buying the new

00:23:57.540 things. And at this point, it was a new thing. And I would have to go to my aunt's house

00:24:01.480 to use AOL. Yes. And you immediately think of that sound when you connect and then immediately

00:24:06.880 know the sound when it hangs up and you get real pissed off because someone picked up

00:24:09.860 the phone. Yes, I was in that generation. I find it funny because, yes, we were part

00:24:14.880 of that. Me and my brother, who are around the same age, were the ones who had set it

00:24:18.660 up but even today for my boomer parents we have to set up anything with the smart stuff and the 0.66

00:24:24.220 likelihood that we know even more so than the younger generations because they're so used to

00:24:28.100 just having it around on how to get it connected because we're like the og of all of these things 0.84

00:24:33.900 it kind of makes me laugh because somehow the gen x slash millennials are the ones who know how to

00:24:40.020 set these things up more so even than most of the younger generations because they just always have 0.53

00:24:44.080 had it. Yes, I've actually read some really interesting research and commentary that suggests

00:24:49.680 that the younger generation like Gen Z, they might like because they've always had things like iPads

00:24:55.540 and smartphones that are so sort of like drag and drop, so sort of like intuitive. And if you've

00:25:00.180 always had them, the sort of inner machinations of like how they work and like what is being

00:25:05.680 represented when you do things might be a little bit vague, a little bit vaguer to them than they

00:25:10.940 are to somebody who was my age who like grew up having to understand that kind of thing just to

00:25:16.060 like make it work right like having to understand like when you save a file what that means and like

00:25:21.380 how to find it and all of that none of this stuff when I was first using computers was like easily

00:25:26.760 laid out through right user like easy to navigate user interface it was a lot of like squinting at

00:25:33.520 the screen and guess and check and like does this do that yeah we almost had no coding in order to

00:25:39.580 get access to specific sites you're like what the hell is i have to control alt b what f3 what

00:25:45.200 yes but i do find it funny coming back to that when you'd have most of these classics because

00:25:50.940 when i was growing up i watched a lot of the cheesiest 70s 80s uh horror movies because they

00:25:57.080 were amazing they were so bad the effects were so bad but it was so good because you still love that

00:26:03.640 idea i also loved uh the horror stories y'all know i'm talking about like the classic horror

00:26:08.840 stories appalachian horror stories that you know came back nine like the scariest stories like

00:26:13.600 those are the things that i grew up with um and haunted me still haunts me i was telling i think

00:26:19.200 annie i told you no i told my partner uh when i was in middle school so this was way before y'all

00:26:26.120 don't talk to me about age um we would go into like different theater companies coming perform

00:26:31.920 i think i was in the fifth grade and they were supposed to do a mark twain uh show and we're

00:26:37.260 like cool cool cool old school and then it flipped real quick to an edgar allen poe telltale heart

00:26:44.100 so for those of us who didn't know it was coming hearing because they would have like the surround

00:26:49.920 sound of the the beating heart and and it haunts me to this day that's scary like that story was

00:26:56.520 one of the scariest stories i've ever heard in my life and i'm thinking back into like back to like

00:27:02.880 would the kids today would that have scared them or would they have been like laughing because

00:27:06.680 They're like, what is that?

00:27:08.260 What is this?

00:27:09.040 Because in my mind, like, it was scary as hell.

00:27:11.280 But realizing how technology has quickly changed and how, like, the graphics have changed.

00:27:15.600 And again, yeah, people don't even understand what the phone is.

00:27:18.300 Like, why would you have to connect to what's a landline?

00:27:22.060 What do you have to do?

00:27:23.120 What is with the pressing?

00:27:24.120 Why can't they just, like, call a number to say, Siri, call this thing?

00:27:28.620 Like, it's quite funny to me that I'm like, yeah, y'all probably don't understand how scary it really was.

00:27:34.480 Oh, do you ever watch a horror movie?

00:27:36.100 like from like the 90s or beyond and you're like why doesn't she just use her cell phone to call

00:27:41.980 for help and you're like oh wait it's like a huge phone oh my gosh in scream there is that like the

00:27:49.720 scene where it sets the audience up to think that billy is the killer and a cell because a cell phone

00:27:55.280 drops out of his pocket and it's like a cell phone why and the cops are like why do you have a cell

00:28:00.980 phone and he's like a lot of people have them now how like it was so unusual for somebody to

00:28:06.980 just have a cell phone yes that means you're rich or you're up to no good it's kind of like the

00:28:12.260 pagers of the my generation like that would mean immediately you were you were no good exactly

00:28:18.740 oh my gosh Bridget you need to watch all the rest of the screen movies and just keep updating us

00:28:24.260 Because the newer ones have things with, like, Siri and your Ring camera and, like, using voice commands and all this stuff.

00:28:32.760 Would you say that Scream is one of the more tech-savvy horror franchises?

00:28:37.720 Yeah, I would say that.

00:28:40.940 But I also don't have that kind of stuff.

00:28:43.920 So I never talk to Siri and I don't use Ring.

00:28:46.360 But I think so.

00:28:47.500 I mean, at least like it's definitely addressing the question of, oh, hey, this is the world we live in now.

00:28:55.520 I think the fifth one has a whole thing about like Netflix and Reddit and fandom in that way.

00:29:01.380 So, I mean, they are definitely at least engaging in this is the technology that we have.

00:29:06.800 And this is how we think it would impact or fuel this horror story that we're telling.

00:29:13.280 Yeah, I think it's really interesting when horror movies use technology as a way to like buttress whatever story or message, you know, they're trying to tell, which I feel like Scream definitely does.

00:29:26.320 So after this V-chip technology is put in place, television programs are then rated for how much like racy or mature content they contain. And so to give parents ostensibly the power to like block their kids from them, even though parents aren't really doing this.

00:29:43.280 However, the news, news programming was exempt from these ratings.

00:29:47.920 And so there was no way to block the news from your home using this technology, just sort of like giving it a pass to come into people's homes.

00:29:55.660 This coincided with news media becoming more and more solidified as a form of like always on entertainment, starting famously with CNN as like the first 24 hour news network, later with Fox News and MSNBC.

00:30:08.980 According to NPR media reporter David Fulkenflick, the subsequent arrival of Fox and MSNBC,

00:30:14.600 it made 1996 a seminal year for cable news.

00:30:18.120 Remember that in the 90s, you had these like big, splashy, gory crimes that played out

00:30:23.580 in the news.

00:30:24.340 1994, you get O.J. Simpson.

00:30:26.360 1993, you get Lorena Bobbitt.

00:30:28.280 The murder of Scott Amador in 1995, who folks don't know who that is.

00:30:32.120 He was shot and murdered after an appearance on the tabloid show, the Jenny Jones show,

00:30:36.740 where he revealed his secret crush on a man who later shot and killed him and used gay panic as

00:30:41.500 his defense during his trial in 1996. In a piece called How Scream Explored the Exploitative Nature

00:30:47.420 of Nightly News, the Smithsonian Magazine spoke to Jamie L. Flexin, a professor of criminology

00:30:52.880 and criminal justice at Florida International University, who said the onslaught of round

00:30:57.060 the clock coverage of bizarre outlier incidents powerfully shaped Americans' perceptions of crime,

00:31:02.500 saying, I believe because of this, society is much more afraid.

00:31:06.200 The boogeyman does exist in this way.

00:31:08.580 An interaction between the human condition and the business of media

00:31:11.520 amid a context of exploring rare situations to symbolize problems.

00:31:15.940 And honestly, despite all of the anxieties and hand-wringing about

00:31:19.640 violent media and violent crime and the anxieties around it,

00:31:23.340 violent crime was famously down in the 90s during this time

00:31:26.700 where people were so concerned about it.

00:31:28.420 Yeah, and I think one of the things Scream does also

00:31:32.500 is that it, this was before true crime had really taken off.

00:31:37.480 People were still fans of it, but there was no Netflix yet.

00:31:40.040 There was no like places where it could binge it yet.

00:31:42.760 But there's a point where as the daughter of this woman who had been murdered

00:31:48.920 that people are constantly talking about,

00:31:50.880 like constantly kind of sharing their theories like,

00:31:55.080 oh, no, you're wrong.

00:31:55.980 You lied about her.

00:31:57.840 there's a point where she like vocalizes this this fear that she has that if she says something

00:32:08.840 like out of place they will blame her dad because it's usually the like husband or that like she

00:32:14.680 has this in her head that there are people watching her her her story what has happened

00:32:21.800 and trying to dissect it

00:32:23.780 and having to like live with,

00:32:26.980 okay, I really don't want them to think it was my dad,

00:32:30.000 which feels like now watching it

00:32:32.700 almost like premonition or something.

00:32:35.200 Like it was very on point with that.

00:32:37.840 And then going back to something you said earlier, Bridget,

00:32:40.640 the second one, spoilers,

00:32:43.920 one of the killers is Billy Loomis's mother.

00:32:46.600 Oh.

00:32:47.180 Yes.

00:32:47.960 And she has a whole speech that's like,

00:32:50.380 they always blame the mother and she did do it well yeah that's why they're blaming her because

00:32:56.120 she did it but it was interesting because it's like they were it was her and then timothy

00:33:01.940 timothy oliphant's character mickey who was like i'm gonna blame the movies and she was like i

00:33:06.700 never believe that defense never once she kills mickey it's like no i just i'm so upset about

00:33:12.920 what happened to my son and that you did it but like that idea of you know that story that we

00:33:19.060 want to believe or that it's being told, um, that we're seeing in our media, uh, that they

00:33:25.200 really, uh, cause I, I mean, I could go on and on, Samantha knows like the fourth one

00:33:31.100 is all about true crime as well.

00:33:33.260 The fifth one's all about fandom.

00:33:34.680 And in fact, one of the actors went onto Reddit to learn about toxic fandom to play a role

00:33:40.620 in there.

00:33:41.600 But also like going back to the internet was just becoming really big for a lot of us around

00:33:47.140 the time this movie came out.

00:33:49.060 and uh just for a fun fact uh this is one of the first movies that had they were worried about

00:33:55.860 spoilers so they wrote different scripts after the first one because they got leaked online

00:34:01.780 and so it's really interesting in that way too of like and they even talk about it in the third

00:34:07.200 one about how they have multiple scripts and they don't know which one the murderer is following

00:34:11.080 as i said annie's a annie's an expert on all things scream you know back to she is

00:34:18.780 she don't don't think she doesn't already know she's already she's already read the article

00:34:23.820 i know i read this a while ago i was used as a source exactly

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00:36:25.640 But you know, one of the things coming back to how like news had become a whole thing,

00:36:30.040 I just remembered like the 80s, late 80s and 90s were filled with like unsolved mysteries.

00:36:36.320 Rescue 911 was regularly played at our house and that started in 1989.

00:36:41.580 And then you also had things like the top 10 most wanted, which was like talking about that boogeyman that comes around.

00:36:48.660 But there also had been that moment where news anchors were getting Pulitzers or being big storytellers.

00:36:55.320 So they could solve a crime and do it while on air.

00:36:59.620 They would get these accolades.

00:37:01.560 And I remember that being a huge thing. 0.92

00:37:03.160 Barbara Walters was huge at that point in time.

00:37:05.660 60 Minutes, which is still going. 0.99

00:37:06.960 But like that was coming out huge because they they would follow people like O.J. Simpson and then have that exclusive interview and doing the behind the scenes.

00:37:14.880 Lorena Bobbitt, I remember this case specifically because the husband came on talking about his thing and had his huge thing of fame like so many things.

00:37:22.580 Now, like Lorena Bobbitt wasn't so bad in my mind back then.

00:37:26.600 Yeah, but today I'm like, oh, OK, I get it.

00:37:29.200 I don't condone what she did, but I'm just saying I get it.

00:37:31.900 But like the early 90s, which this is that high it is, if you look back, I didn't think about it then, obviously, but it was going after those reporters who were just willing to like crawl over all of the victims, which has become a circus today.

00:37:47.680 And there's a huge different whole different conversation. And now as a podcast, but that was really kind of that beginning of like, oh, they want to see the gory details.

00:37:57.320 They want to know the depth of depravity of men.

00:38:02.500 And then if we can say it's in a perfect story to haunt everyone, we're going to be famous.

00:38:07.780 And you even see that in Scream with Gail.

00:38:09.840 You know, she's writing a book about the death of Sidney's mom and has kind of gotten personally involved in the case, advocating for the innocence of Cotton, the person who's been charged with her mom's death.

00:38:19.820 And it's clear that she's not doing this because she, like, maybe she genuinely believes that he's innocent.

00:38:25.240 But when she's talking about it, she says, if I'm right, I could save this man's life. Do you know what that would do for my book sales? Again, iconic line from Gail Weathers on this one.

00:38:35.800 But I do think that that dichotomy that you're explaining, Sam, about how the news media felt then is what Scream is meant to be a commentary on.

00:38:45.780 So Scream's writers, Adam White and Michelle Delgado, said that Scream is meant to be an exploration of this exploitative nature of tabloid news that minds people's worst and most traumatic moments for entertainment, but doing so under the guise of informing the public through news.

00:39:01.520 And it highlights this kind of interesting inconsistency we saw in media at the time, that the news could cover the minutiae of these gory, splashy cases and do so in a way that was exempt from this government V-chip rating.

00:39:16.520 But had those plot lines been happening on an episode of like Melrose Place, they would be rated as mature.

00:39:22.000 I think this moral inconsistency that we saw in media was exactly what Scream was speaking to, you know?

00:39:29.000 Like, the Scream teens are scolded for watching too many gore slashy movies.

00:39:34.800 All of this happening while Gail Weathers and these other news anchors are really, like, essentially stalking and surveilling these teenagers to breathlessly and relentlessly cover the minutiae of this trauma they're experiencing

00:39:49.460 under the guise of being like,

00:39:51.240 well, the public has a right to know.

00:39:53.700 Right, and it's no,

00:39:55.920 we talk about this all the time

00:39:57.220 when it comes to horror movies,

00:39:58.960 kind of that,

00:39:59.960 how it reflects what we're anxious about as a society,

00:40:02.580 but also kind of that judgment of like,

00:40:04.240 who's going to be the victim here?

00:40:06.140 Those rules that Randy lays out of like,

00:40:07.940 don't have sex, don't do drugs, all that stuff.

00:40:10.280 So it also feels very like 0.95

00:40:12.060 these older people

00:40:13.980 are watching these younger people

00:40:16.440 and like, yeah, you should have listened to me.

00:40:18.480 You deserved that.

00:40:19.460 And now I'm going to put it on the news and make money about it.

00:40:22.540 Like, it's very, oh, you are a young person who's basically living their life, but you shouldn't have done that. 0.77

00:40:32.540 And now you're dead. 0.95

00:40:33.260 And that's your fault. 0.98

00:40:35.400 Yeah, it's very voyeuristic. 0.76

00:40:36.720 And I think Scream really does a good job also of, like, I don't know, asking the question of, like, sure, Gail Weathers is not out here murdering teens, but she is making money off of that. 0.97

00:40:48.080 She's profiting off of that personally.

00:40:49.460 So, like, sure, she may not be a murderer herself, but is she really that much better than whoever is murdering these teens? 1.00

00:40:57.520 Yeah, and I love, like, I love how every time Gail Weathers has this thing, there's something you have to appreciate as women, because we're always told, like, ambitious women are terrible.

00:41:08.380 it when you're watching gail weathers you're like yes go get it gail but like every movie ends with 0.98

00:41:13.600 her realizing like oh i've lost all of my friends maybe i should and then the next movie starts and

00:41:20.100 she's back i'm so glad you brought this up this is why i love this is why like i ride for gail

00:41:25.580 weathers in this movie and the other screen movies that i've seen is that i feel like the 1.00

00:41:29.780 movie is setting us up to be like wow what an annoying conniving she's gonna have a gory death 0.88

00:41:35.920 and really get hers, and won't that be great? 1.00

00:41:38.080 But Gail Weathers always comes out on top, 1.00

00:41:40.340 and not only does she come out on top, 1.00

00:41:41.960 she doesn't learn a damn thing.

00:41:44.040 By the next movie, whatever lesson you think

00:41:46.720 has been internalized by Gail,

00:41:48.500 she's back and worse, and I love that.

00:41:50.960 I love when, this is just like,

00:41:53.820 I mean, I wanted to try to connect this

00:41:56.360 to some larger moralistic thing of like, 1.00

00:41:58.700 it's feminist to like it when women are bitches. 1.00

00:42:02.200 Actually, I just think that's cool. 1.00

00:42:04.200 I just personally like to see 0.99

00:42:05.720 when a female character doesn't really learn anything. 0.99

00:42:08.720 And, like, you know, I don't know.

00:42:10.340 Like, is it so wrong that Gail Weathers wants her Pulitzer?

00:42:13.340 Like, is it so wrong that she cares about her career 1.00

00:42:16.620 and, like, is kind of going to exploit some teens to get there?

00:42:21.060 I mean, the few movies that I've actually, thanks to Annie,

00:42:24.440 I've seen more than...

00:42:26.060 I think you've seen everyone but the newest one.

00:42:28.440 But the newest one, yeah.

00:42:29.660 Annie has made that.

00:42:31.100 This is her gift.

00:42:31.980 but I will say

00:42:34.060 when she's in crunch

00:42:35.780 she's going to help out

00:42:37.040 like she's going to be there

00:42:38.260 she's got her back

00:42:39.040 she's going to take 1.00

00:42:39.820 the perpetrator out 1.00

00:42:40.580 she's going to fight 1.00

00:42:42.040 so when it counts

00:42:43.780 she's there

00:42:44.560 and then she's going to get her 1.00

00:42:46.260 she saves 1.00

00:42:47.000 she like saves

00:42:47.900 saves the day 0.96

00:42:49.000 like

00:42:49.560 and also it really teaches you

00:42:51.520 don't count out

00:42:52.280 Gail Weathers

00:42:52.780 you might think 0.88

00:42:53.400 she's dead in that van 0.97

00:42:54.600 she might look dead 0.98

00:42:55.460 but don't count out

00:42:56.600 Gail Weathers 0.66

00:42:57.120 she'll be right back

00:42:58.320 she'll be right back 0.97

00:42:59.720 she's got nine lives 1.00

00:43:00.780 that's the joke

00:43:01.500 does she is she is she in the most recent scream yes oh thank god

00:43:08.440 yes i also like in the the fifth one it opens with dewey like drinking at 9 a.m and he's watching

00:43:16.980 good morning america and she's on there and she's like talking about how bad her hair used to be

00:43:21.320 and I'm like yeah good for you Gail you know honestly I as much as I love the like horror

00:43:30.800 women and horror movie tropes like final girl I I would read a deep dive analysis of like

00:43:37.020 you know character that we're supposed to hate but like actually we kind of love I you know if

00:43:45.280 you've ever like there's a I think there are a lot of them in horror movies like um if you've

00:43:48.920 ever seen it's not a horror movie i guess it's a thriller but the hand that rocks the cradle

00:43:52.740 i think it's julianne moore's character who's like the smart mouthed like bad real estate lady 0.97

00:43:58.920 in uh house of wax i remember famously that paris hilton is kind of the annoying friend

00:44:03.820 in house of wax and they really make a meal out of her murder in that movie they really like

00:44:08.220 are really excited to kill paris hilton in a gruesome way in that movie 0.53

00:44:13.660 because she's like the annoying girl in the movie one thing i do like about gail weathers though is 0.51

00:44:19.920 like i i like gail weathers that makes it sound like i don't but one thing i like about it is that

00:44:25.560 her and sydney have this really adversarial relationship they become friends and they

00:44:31.100 still fight and i like that they show that they still show like there's a because gail still

00:44:37.420 wants this story of sydney's and sydney's still like no that's but they are still friends so i i

00:44:44.440 like that it kind of plays out that way that eventually you're like oh no they're buddies

00:44:50.260 and they show up for each other and they have a complex relationship yeah i think like showing

00:44:55.860 they've been through a lot they've been through a lot together so they're not like braiding each

00:44:59.420 other's hair but when it matters they stick up for each other when it matters gail's out of that van

00:45:03.880 with a gun ready to save the day like yeah i'm sorry i'm like so like in deep in this conversation

00:45:11.620 i know i am too i told you from the beginning i told you from the beginning and he's ready

00:45:17.820 it's just a really i don't know i don't know where to go this i i think scream really they

00:45:24.380 were on to something about making a commentary about media anxieties and anxieties around

00:45:30.700 violence. And it's interesting to me that it's had such an enduring legacy of making commentary

00:45:35.760 for like a decade now. Like I guess Scream came out in 1996. The most recent one was what? 2022.

00:45:43.240 Yeah. So like like last year, a decades long legacy of commenting on our collective anxieties

00:45:50.380 around technology and media and violence and our behavior. And I think, you know, that iconic line

00:45:56.240 that Billy says in the first movie

00:45:58.640 where, I think it's Sydney,

00:46:00.120 like you've seen one too many movies

00:46:01.640 and Billy is like,

00:46:02.680 movies don't create psychos.

00:46:04.520 Movies make psychos more creative.

00:46:06.600 And to me, that's like the ultimate encapsulation

00:46:10.180 of the entire anxiety and conversation

00:46:13.020 of like, well, is it the movies?

00:46:14.440 Is it the media?

00:46:15.160 Is it the content?

00:46:16.040 Or is it something else

00:46:17.580 that these movies are just allowing

00:46:19.920 for more creativity

00:46:21.480 or more, you know, a smokescreen

00:46:23.500 to like have people do more crimes

00:46:26.100 and have more violent behavior like that line I think really reveals the ultimate anxiety that

00:46:31.020 I think scream is really commenting on yes and I think like every movie has some version of that

00:46:39.000 where it ends with oh I'm gonna blame the movies and it allows them to yeah I mean essentially

00:46:48.320 they're they've found that they can do this they believe they can get away with it through this

00:46:53.420 but it's so many other things like it is I think a lot of this also boils down to we can't just

00:47:01.840 give one reason there's not just one thing like maybe you did get on reddit and it didn't go well

00:47:09.040 for you but that can't be like the only thing like for that reddit has to have existed in the

00:47:14.720 first place and you also have a character like randy who is so into horror movies he's the one

00:47:21.960 that lays out the rules and he is not a killer at all like he he has consumed all of this stuff

00:47:28.500 maybe even more um and he he isn't a killer so i think it's interesting that they also have sort

00:47:35.200 of a foil for all of these like killers who are the movies made me did it and then you see randy

00:47:40.900 and he's not at all but also it is funny that they always have this laying out of the rules scene

00:47:48.480 and in the most recent one they were like oh no we're in a franchise like that's how big it's

00:47:56.660 gotten it used to be like it's a sequel it's a trilogy and now it's a franchise that's hilarious

00:48:05.900 yeah but it does it has endured to the point that yeah it's a franchise and I think ultimately like

00:48:14.380 that's my point is that violence is such a complex issue like we've been hand-wringing about how we

00:48:21.780 curb and combat violence for so long that these tidy explanations reddit violent movies violent

00:48:29.540 media watching the oj simpson trial on the news whatever just don't work and i think that ultimately

00:48:35.540 like that is what the film is trying to show that interpersonal violence is always more complicated

00:48:39.900 than that always more complex than that so if somebody is trying to sell you like this is this

00:48:43.660 is the reason that person is is perhaps not bringing the nuance to the conversation that

00:48:48.340 it deserves i think that maybe like that is what scream is ultimately trying to tell us i agree i

00:48:53.680 absolutely agree because i feel again every every movie has this like moment like almost montage

00:48:59.780 where you believe it's every person at one right like oh it's you oh it's you because there are

00:49:05.200 all these complex reasons or or why people might do it and yeah just the like simple oh they've

00:49:13.100 watched a lot of horror movies it just it doesn't work and that is never how it is i've seen these

00:49:18.680 movies a lot and that's not how it goes resident scholar in residence annie reese yeah oh what a

00:49:28.080 day you've brightened my day bridget it's just so fun to talk about horror movies like everybody in

00:49:35.060 my life knows that like if you let me go off on like my my favorite piece of horror growing up

00:49:39.880 and still today is Tales from the Crypt.

00:49:42.120 I've seen every episode.

00:49:43.620 When I was a kid, I used to do,

00:49:45.860 I do an impression of the Crypt Keeper

00:49:47.440 that like my brother,

00:49:48.380 we would like die of laughter

00:49:50.320 impersonating the Crypt Keeper.

00:49:51.560 It's just so fun to talk about horror

00:49:53.060 and like, I don't know,

00:49:54.400 we should get more than one month,

00:49:55.780 a year to do it.

00:49:56.600 You are welcome back anytime

00:49:58.020 to talk about horror.

00:50:02.000 I feel bad.

00:50:03.100 I feel like I just went on and on,

00:50:04.660 but I have, you know,

00:50:06.800 I could keep going,

00:50:07.680 but then none of us would get out of here should we do we should do a part two on scream too

00:50:13.840 yes i think this is like third episode for us have on a scream fourth but there's something

00:50:23.540 to say about every one of them though second one's blame the mother third one's harvey

00:50:27.880 weinstein the fourth one is true crime and women and then the fifth one is fandom the sixth one is

00:50:34.580 trauma what's gonna be the seventh one trump i think i think the seventh one is gonna be um

00:50:42.760 oh because i think sydney prescott wasn't in the most recent one because of contracts

00:50:50.920 they didn't want to pay oh is that i think she's gonna be in the next one so i think it's gonna be

00:50:56.860 some kind of like oh she is gonna be in the next one there it sounds like it they haven't

00:51:02.260 finalize anything they got a lot of backlash for not having her on yeah maybe the next screen will

00:51:08.160 be that the real killer will be predatory contracts that lock you in for years i oh my god i would

00:51:18.920 love it i would find some way to talk about it on this show like oh honestly we haven't done the

00:51:25.640 second of the new

00:51:26.980 newer franchise.

00:51:29.300 Oh. I do have a lot

00:51:31.620 of thoughts about that one. That one has a lot of bait

00:51:33.440 and switches that I have a lot of thoughts about.

00:51:35.800 Like, oh, I know the killer.

00:51:37.400 Oh, okay. I don't.

00:51:39.820 I mean, we could do an emergency

00:51:41.240 episode next week where the three of

00:51:43.580 us watch one of the

00:51:45.500 other screams and go to town.

00:51:47.720 Oh, count me in. I'm here for that.

00:51:49.680 Are you ready, Bridget? We'll see you next week.

00:51:51.480 See you next week. Yes.

00:51:53.500 If we make it. I don't know.

00:51:55.640 Who's going to be the final girl? 0.86

00:51:57.360 Yeah, don't say the line.

00:51:59.700 You know what it is.

00:52:00.520 Don't do it.

00:52:01.040 Anyway, I'll be right back, y'all.

00:52:02.640 Most horror movies are racist, so...

00:52:04.940 I feel like the prediction would be Annie,

00:52:09.560 but, you know, whatever.

00:52:11.700 Oh, no.

00:52:13.460 Oh, wow.

00:52:14.460 I feel like I'd be the first one to go. 0.99

00:52:15.900 For some reason, like, Asian women are seen 1.00

00:52:17.960 as, like, really trashy Asian fetishist level. 0.98

00:52:21.440 So, unless it's an Asian horror movie, 1.00

00:52:24.740 then I'm the one that's killing everybody. 1.00

00:52:25.620 Yeah, and maybe you've got, like, one streak in your hair.

00:52:28.840 Like, ooh, she's got a red streak in her hair. 1.00

00:52:31.160 That's how you know she's a badass. 0.94

00:52:32.080 If it's not all, yeah, if it's not all pink or purple,

00:52:35.940 then I've definitely got the one streak,

00:52:37.420 and I've definitely become possessive.

00:52:38.860 Yes. 1.00

00:52:39.840 If we're doing an Asian level of horror movie. 1.00

00:52:43.520 Oh, man. 1.00

00:52:45.540 I'm so into this.

00:52:46.880 I'm into it.

00:52:48.620 However it works out,

00:52:49.820 I definitely want to hear your thoughts one way or another, Bridget,

00:52:52.520 when you watch the rest of them,

00:52:53.600 because perhaps, obviously,

00:52:57.240 I have a lot of thoughts.

00:52:59.820 I'm going to watch.

00:53:00.600 You have an assignment.

00:53:01.260 I think I'm going to watch them tonight.

00:53:02.220 On the next Wednesday.

00:53:03.260 Yes.

00:53:04.060 Oh, I'm like legitimately excited.

00:53:05.860 Oh, wow.

00:53:06.780 Yes, this was so delightful.

00:53:08.500 So thank you as always, Bridget,

00:53:10.400 for coming on.

00:53:11.840 We love having you.

00:53:13.740 Where can the good listeners find you?

00:53:16.380 You can find me on my pod. 1.00

00:53:17.920 There are no girls on the internet 0.99

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00:53:20.360 You can find me on Instagram

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00:53:22.420 You can find me on TikTok at Bridget Makes Pods.

00:53:26.900 Yes.

00:53:27.600 And definitely looking forward to the next time you come,

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There Are No Girls on the Internet - October 31, 2023

What’s your favorite scary movie？ Scream, the 1996 horror classic, is a commentary on tech and media frights

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