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00:01:17.180I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.
00:01:19.860welcome to there are no girls on the internet where we explore the intersection of identity
00:01:26.960technology and social media and this is another installment of our weekly news roundup where we
00:01:32.000break down and explain all the different news stories from the internet that you might have
00:01:36.260missed yes it has been a while since we've done one of these i took a little bit of a break from
00:01:40.620the news but now we are back and better than ever mike you are also back thanks for being here
00:01:46.200Thanks for having me, Bridget. It's great to be back. It has indeed been a minute.
00:01:51.200It's been a lot of tech news in that time, and it's great to be here talking with you again.
00:01:55.660I'm a little bit distracted because I'm scrolling through these polished Mark Zuckerberg pictures. Have you seen these?
00:02:04.780I have, yeah. It's like a whole new Zuck.
00:02:07.520Someone from Mark Zuckerberg or Meta PR is working overtime to try to convince us, the public, that Mark Zuckerberg is a more polished, more stylish, more refined kind of guy.
00:02:21.400And far be it of me to spend a lot of time talking about the sartorial choices of a tech leader.
00:02:26.240However, we know there is a ton of precedent for tech leaders using their fashion and style and hair to try to project things at us, the public.
00:02:35.080So it does kind of seem like their game to be talking about Mark Zuckerberg rocking a chain at his 40th birthday party, et cetera, et cetera.
00:02:43.620Clearly trying to signal to us that he's a little more polished, a little more refined, a little more stylish.
00:03:04.380I definitely did. I wrote a whole piece about Elizabeth Holmes' hair choices. If you remember her, she definitely was known for a certain type of hairstyle that I think was with intention. It did not look nourished or conditioned. And I think that was by choice. We'll throw the article in the show notes if you want more information. But she was definitely somebody who knew how to use her fashion and hair to signal a certain kind of thing to us.0.66
00:03:31.220yeah i think you're right that you know all of these tech leaders do that you know they get up
00:03:36.880on a stage there's a lot of photos of them uh it's all i think pretty deliberate it's and so
00:03:42.220like for this new zuckerberg rebrand do you think they brought in the rick perry guy the guy who
00:03:46.040brought us the smart rick perry the one who wears glasses oh that was my favorite like rebrand when
00:03:52.740it was like they they put him in glasses and it was like guess what y'all rick perry is smart now
00:03:58.560from the team that brought you smart rick perry comes zuckerberg glow up zuckerberg glow up the
00:04:05.760zuck glow up the zuck glow so basically in these pictures there's one he made a an announcement
00:04:11.160about meta ai and he was wearing like a like a silver like a silver cuban link chain and everyone
00:04:16.800was like oh nice chain and then somebody like used ai deepfix to put a little like one of those kind
00:04:23.520of thin beards on him so if you if you saw that picture the chain that was legit the the beard
00:04:29.540that was not legit but even though that picture wasn't real it really highlights my belief that
00:04:36.240what contouring makeup is for some women beards are for some men like a beard can completely
00:04:43.340change the way a man's face looks it can like it is like magic yeah absolutely beard really
00:04:50.560changes a man's face so it sounds like over the weekend zuckerberg had a birthday party where for
00:04:56.660the party his wife recreated all of the places that he lived when he was growing up so like
00:05:04.660his harvard dorm room where he created facebook and there are all these pictures of him wearing
00:05:10.440like a fitted black tee and a chain like in a fake dorm room kind of diorama like adult-sized
00:05:18.180diorama the whole thing is like i don't know it's clear to me that somebody wants us to think of
00:05:23.860mark zuckerberg as this affable guy with friends and family who love him you know what i mean that's
00:05:29.380that clear to me that that's what we're all supposed to be taking away from this god i have
00:05:33.240to look for those photos of him in the dorm rooms with the chain because that was definitely a type
00:05:37.420of guy in boston in like the early 2000s when he was there that's when i was in dorms in boston and
00:05:44.920like that was definitely type of guy like fitted black shirt chain uh usually not like you know a
00:05:50.76040 something year old zuckerberg uh what a nice and strange gift from his wife the pictures are
00:06:01.280unreal uh i did see someone comparing it to marie antoinette that apparently marie antoinette
00:06:08.700had built an entire fake village in Versailles that was equipped with a working farm and fake
00:06:17.660people to work it so that whenever she wanted to pretend to be a peasant girl on the farm,0.99
00:06:23.920she could do that. And somebody compared Mark Zuckerberg's fake set pieces of his college dorm
00:06:31.020and crappy first apartment to that, which I thought was kind of funny. That's actually a
00:06:35.960pretty good segue into what I want to talk about first, which is the digital guillotine movement,
00:06:40.700aka Digitine. If you don't know what that is, basically people on social media are using
00:06:45.920hashtags like hashtag let them eat cake, hashtag blockout 2024, and hashtag celebrity blocklist
00:06:52.100to rally people to boycott celebrities like Zendaya, Taylor Swift, and the Kardashians.
00:06:57.640Here's how Mashable describes it. Labeled, quote, celebrity blackout 2024 and Digitine,
00:07:03.240aka the digital guillotine, the movement is a protest against celebrity culture, specifically
00:07:08.220blocking people of influence who have not yet used their power or privilege to take a stance
00:07:13.360on the humanitarian crisis that has devastated millions. So this all seems to have really been
00:07:19.080sparked by the Met Gala last week. The night at the Met Gala was also the night that airstrikes
00:07:23.960targeted Rafa in Gaza, which is an enclave on the border of the Gaza Strip, which is really key for
00:07:28.880transporting aid and supplies to Palestinians. So there has been a lot of chatter about the Met
00:07:34.640Gala as this symbol for out-of-touch, wealthy celebrities really reveling in their privilege
00:07:41.040and opulence while just a few blocks away, protesters are on the streets calling for a
00:07:46.720ceasefire in Palestine. People were even comparing this to the Hunger Games. And honestly, from like
00:07:52.140an optics perspective, it is kind of hard to disagree. I will say that for what it's worth,
00:07:57.860I don't really feel like I have a clear take here.
00:08:01.720On the one hand, I totally get how it looks very out of touch to have these celebrities
00:08:05.940like flaunting their wealth while so much is going on in the world.
00:08:09.900I don't say that to say that I'm like above paying attention to the Met Gala.
00:08:13.920In fact, I own a t-shirt that says Rihanna is my Pope, which is a reference to the time
00:08:18.040that Rihanna dressed as the Pope at the Met Gala.
00:08:20.220But I didn't even watch it this year and I didn't even really pay attention to any of
00:08:23.720the coverage or any of the like online posts about it.
00:08:27.140in part because Conde Nast staff were boycotting the Met Gala.
00:08:31.140So I was like, I'm not going to pay attention.
00:08:32.680And also it just seemed like kind of boring,
00:08:36.300like not in a like I'm above this kind of way,
00:08:39.480more in a like this just doesn't seem like a good use of my time
00:08:42.300to be paying attention to kind of way.
00:08:43.760I also really get the argument around how much money is spent at the Met Gala.
00:08:50.600I've seen people say things like, oh, well, the Met Gala is really expensive,
00:08:54.120But celebrities aren't actually paying to attend. And of course, all the proceeds from the Met Gala goes to the Metropolitan Museum of Arts Costume Institute, which is like a worthy cause. And that's true. But I also feel that like bringing that up feels like a bit of a dodge to what people are pointing out when they are talking about the Met Gala, which is like this dissonance between the Met Gala and what is going on in the world, which I think is like a valid point.
00:09:20.660and I don't think people should just be dismissing that.
00:09:22.940However, I also don't want this to be a conversation
00:09:50.660You know, I think there's an element of people scolding celebrities for partying while there's a big human rights crisis going on. But it seems to me that has been the dynamic for a very long time. And like, I don't know, it almost sort of reads like, how dare you go to a party when I have just started being more tuned into this situation in Palestine that has been ongoing for many years, which I'm not sure that is a useful stance.
00:10:13.340but that said counterpoint some of these people seem freaking insufferable and it kind of almost
00:10:20.620sounds like they were asking for it so i'm talking about people like influencer hailey bailey khalil
00:10:26.640who goes by hailey bailey on tiktok who posted a video of herself at the mechala pre-event
00:10:31.980lip-syncing to the alleged marie antoinette quote let them eat cake from the sofia coppola
00:10:37.960a 2006 movie, Marie Antoinette, which is a masterpiece. Go see it. However, I just learned
00:10:43.880this. Did you know that Marie Antoinette might not have actually even ever said, let them eat cake?
00:10:48.600I did not know that. I thought it was an actual quote.
00:10:51.600No, historians don't even think she ever actually said that.
00:32:01.340But when the merchant got the automated results of her ad campaign from Instagram, the opposite had happened.
00:32:06.740The ads had gone almost entirely to adult men.
00:32:09.920Perplexed and concerned, the merchant contacted the New York Times, which had recently published multiple articles about the abuse of children on social media platforms.
00:32:17.900In February, the Times investigated Instagram accounts run by parents for their young daughters and the dark underworld of men who have sexualized interactions with those accounts.
00:32:26.740With the photos from the jewelry ads in hand, the Times set out to understand why they attracted an unwanted audience.
00:32:34.080Test ads run by the Times using the same photos with no text not only replicated the merchant's experience,
00:32:40.100they drew the attention of convicted sex offenders and other men whose accounts indicated a sexual interest in children or who wrote sexual messages.
00:32:48.720So the Times was like, we're going to get to the bottom of this.
00:32:51.000They did an investigation where their reporters opened two Instagram accounts and promoted posts showing a five-year-old girl, her face turned away from the camera, wearing a tank top and a charm.
00:33:00.740Then separate posts showed the clothing and jewelry without the child model or with a black box kind of covering her up.
00:33:06.660All of the paid ads were promoted to people interested in topics like childhood, dance, and cheerleading, which Meta's audience tools estimated as predominantly women.
00:33:14.580What they found from this experiment is horrifying.
00:33:18.260Aside from reaching a surprisingly large proportion of men, the ads got direct responses from dozens of Instagram users, including phone calls from two accused sex offenders, offers to pay the child for sexual acts and professions of love.
00:33:35.220Ugh, that is gross. That seems like the sort of thing that police should be involved in.
00:33:43.340Well, yeah. And I guess what makes it even more horrifying is that all of this really suggests that the platform's algorithms are playing a role in directing these men to photos of children to sexualize and DM and reach out to.
00:33:57.100And so previously we had talked about this bombshell New York Times investigation about how Instagram was using a loophole to allow grown adult men to connect directly with children like as young as like five, six, seven on the platform by allowing men to subscribe to these like mommy run accounts that were set up on behalf of the children.
00:34:18.240because adults are not meant to be able to subscribe to the accounts of kids.
00:34:24.160But if the account is technically like a mom-run account,
00:34:27.580that is a loophole where adults can subscribe to the content of kids.
00:34:32.040And this New York Times investigation showed that people who worked at Facebook were like,
00:34:37.900oh, this seems to be a loophole that is allowing grown men to connect with children.
00:34:43.100So Facebook was certainly aware this was happening.
00:34:45.420Their own engineers were telling them this was happening.
00:34:47.380And so this new report says there is a lot of overlap between the men who are connecting to children via these mom-run accounts and the men for whom the algorithm is surfacing this paid ad content involving kids.
00:36:24.880Like, pedophiles are taking advantage of these unexamined corners of the platform to connect with kids.
00:36:31.160So even if they're saying, well, most people wouldn't get these results and most people wouldn't have this experience, that is exactly what these people are saying, is that pedophiles are taking advantage of the fact that this is a little bit under the radar to operate in plain sight.
00:36:45.260So the way that Facebook is responding, it makes me feel like they don't really understand what's actually the threat here.
00:36:50.760Yeah. And I think I totally agree that they it sounds a lot like that way, the way Twitter responded to that Media Matters investigation of like how easy it was to get to hateful comment through specific searches.
00:37:10.240but this actually feels substantially different from that when you were describing what the times
00:37:15.080did it sounded like a quite good experiment that was set up using paid ads to see what the algorithm
00:37:22.600would do and to you know who would surface this ad to so uh you know they can this spokesperson
00:37:31.980can say that the methodology was flawed and unsound but when you described it to me it
00:37:39.480Well, what's interesting is that the New York Times talked to like former Facebook engineers and then they talked to Peter Sapiensky, a research scientist at Northeastern University who specializes in testing online algorithms.
00:37:52.320And he basically said that, like, it sounds like these algorithms are working as intended and as designed by Facebook.
00:38:00.220So what's really interesting to me is that the potential algorithmic reason that this is happening, which is that most ads on Instagram are designed to reach women because women are more likely to be buying stuff from Instagram ads.
00:38:13.080And so we're like a more competitive audience.
00:38:15.740However, reaching men is a lot easier.
00:38:18.320Peter Sapiensky, that research scientist at Northeastern, put it this way.
00:38:22.300He said that advertisers compete with one another to reach women because they dominate U.S. consumer spending.
00:38:27.700He said as a result, the algorithm probably focused on highly interested, easier to reach men who had interacted with similar content.
00:38:35.220The men do engage, he said. The machine is doing exactly what you want it to do.
00:38:40.640Yeah, like on one level, that is what the machine is supposed to do.
00:38:45.240On another level, it seems pretty bad that that is what the machine is supposed to do.
00:38:52.080Like, there should probably be something to prevent that from happening.
00:38:57.840So as horrifying as all of this is, the Times also looked into the kind of men who were DMing and engaging with these accounts, some of whom use their real names or link to their real identities in their Facebook pages.
00:39:10.080And some of them have convictions for sex crimes against children.
00:39:14.060Now, per Metta's rules, people who are sex offenders or have been convicted of sex crimes against kids are not allowed to have Instagram accounts.
00:39:22.420However, these people did have Instagram accounts, and it's not clear how they did have Instagram accounts.
00:39:27.740Like, they're meant to be registering their email addresses, and Metta has a program that is meant to keep them from having these accounts.
00:39:35.160I don't know why or how, but that did not work.
00:39:37.580So when the New York Times used Meta's internal tool to flag these accounts and tell Facebook, like, hey, these people have been convicted of sex crimes against kids or, hey, these people are on sex offender registries, per your rules, they should not have Instagram accounts.
00:39:52.800They used Meta's own internal tools to flag these accounts and Meta did not remove them.
00:39:58.900According to the New York Times, the accounts remained online for about a week until the Times flagged them to a company spokesperson.
00:40:04.520And so I guess this is my point. If you have these rules in place, but then do nothing to make sure that they are followed, in what way is it a meaningful rule? The fact that your own tool that you internally use to flag accounts that should not be on your platform, that the New York Times could be flagging people who have been convicted of sex crimes against kids that you know are then using your platform to try to connect with children sexually,
00:43:03.200Okay, so we have to talk about what is being called on the internet, bumble fumble. So there
00:43:09.020is a ton going on in the dating app scene right now, namely that a lot of women are just fed up0.99
00:43:15.040with dating apps. As y'all might recall, Bumble, the dating app founded by Whitney Wolf Heard,
00:43:20.500used to have this thing where their whole sort of gimmick was that the women on the dating app
00:43:25.640would have to message first, and you couldn't talk to a woman without her being the first person to0.77
00:43:30.240initiate conversation. But last week, they announced they are not doing that anymore.
00:43:35.580According to NPR, women can now add prompts to their profiles for men to respond to.
00:43:40.560for same-sex and non-binary users, either person can set and respond to these prompts
00:43:45.860called opening moves. This is all happening against a backdrop of, I guess, what you could
00:43:52.160call dating app fatigue. People are sort of sick of dating apps. I think that the idea that you
00:43:58.300would have to put so much work in to actually find a suitable mate, I also think there's some
00:44:03.780screen time fatigue happening where the idea that you would be on your phone, on your screen all
00:44:09.520the time and that that is the key to finding your mate. I think a lot of people are just fed up with
00:44:14.260that. So listen, I have to say, I am fascinated by the dating app Bumble as a company. When it
00:44:22.180first started, the creator, Whitney Wolf Heard, was working at Tinder. And in 2014, she was part
00:44:28.380of a team that launched Bumble after this pretty tumultuous departure from Tinder, which she also
00:44:34.120helped launch. According to NPR, she had this like string of bad relationships, one of which
00:44:39.400even involved a sexual harassment lawsuit against one of Tinder's co-founders, which was later
00:44:44.600settled. So she used all of this experience to build a platform that put more power in the hands
00:44:51.520of women. So all of that sounds great, right? Like more power and the women messaging first,
00:44:58.360That gives women a lot more autonomy, right? Sounds great. However, NPR spoke to Demona Hoffman, an online dating coach and the author of the book, F the Fairy Tale, who basically said this whole women message first thing just leaves a lot of women feeling like they have to do the bulk of the work on dating sites and the bulk of the work to keep the conversation going, keep things moving is on them.1.00
00:45:23.860Which, if you are already working a full-time job, who wants dating to feel like another job?
00:45:48.200It's a rough group to be in, the dud group.
00:45:50.860Yeah. I mean, your mileage may vary for what a dud is to you, but you know a dud when you see one. And algorithms know who the duds are, and those are the only profiles they surface to you unless you are willing to pay for premium. Then they might show you somebody that you might actually want to have sex with. But until you pay up, it's duds.
00:46:15.320So I think all of this is kind of adding to this backdrop of dating app fatigue that people, particularly women, are feeling with these apps.
00:46:25.280However, Whitney Wolfherd, the co-founder of Bumble, actually has suggested an answer.
00:46:32.620Your AI could just go on a date for you.
00:46:36.860If you want to get really out there, there's a world where your AI dating concierge could go on a date for you with other dating concierges.
00:46:43.440truly and then you don't have to talk to 600 people it will scan all of san francisco for you
00:46:49.480and say these are the three people you really ought to meet so for example you could in the
00:46:54.220near future be talking to your ai dating concierge and share your insecurities i've just come out of
00:46:59.420a breakup i've got commitment issues and it could help you train yourself into a better way of
00:47:04.060thinking about yourself sounds nice but also creepy and also like come on that's that's not
00:47:11.300going to work. I would be remiss if I did not mention there was literally a Black Mirror episode
00:47:15.460about two people's AIs dating each other within the framework of a dating app. And that's how
00:47:22.700they find each other and know they're compatible. So given the story that we talked about earlier
00:47:27.320about BetterHelp, about how they just give the most intimate data and information about us to
00:47:33.060Facebook and Snapchat and whoever else for money, I think we really should be wary of this kind of
00:47:39.660AI integration into our romantic and sexual lives. So I know that the idea of an AI dating
00:47:45.140concierge is very different from like an AI enabled chatbot or lovebot or sexbot or romantic
00:47:52.680partner, but Mozilla Foundation looked into it and found in an analysis of 11 romantic chatbot
00:47:58.820apps released in February that nearly every app tested, sells user data, shares it for advertising,
00:48:05.760or doesn't provide adequate information about any of these points in its privacy policies.
00:48:12.000So basically, it's just the wild, wild west already when it comes to AI and romance.
00:48:18.400And I think these kinds of things become even more concerning for like queer or gender expansive
00:48:24.080people. Like, are you someplace where it's safe to have AI offering up intimate information about
00:48:30.260who you are and your identity to a potential date that you yourself have not personally vetted?
00:48:35.760Like, are you safe if that information has pretty much no policies around who that platform is going to share it with, how they will share it with them, what third parties will have access to it?
00:48:48.060You know, I have said this before that when you're talking about connecting with people in ways that are intimate and happening IRL, safety and privacy isn't just a nice to have, like it genuinely does matter.
00:49:02.100And I'm just not sure that I would trust AI designed by, like, mostly white, straight, cis men that we know is, like, buggy and full of problems to do that for me if the stakes really were high.
00:49:14.700Yeah, the stakes definitely do seem pretty high.
00:49:18.020Yeah, especially if you're dating someplace where it's not safe to be your identity.
00:49:22.400If you're queer or trans or gay, like, this is real.
00:49:26.260So we have to talk about those Bumble ads, which are sort of being referred to as the Bumble Fumble.
00:49:33.400When I first saw this reported, I was like, wow, they're really missing an opportunity to like make Bumble Fumble a thing.
00:49:38.780But we got there eventually. So Bumble Fumble.
00:49:41.760Basically, Bumble released these billboards saying things like, you know, full well, a vow of celibacy is not the answer.0.54
00:49:50.120And thou shall not give up on dating and become a nun.
00:49:53.440The ads were criticized and Bumble apologized saying, we made a mistake. Our ads referencing
00:49:59.260celibacy were an attempt to lean into a community frustrated by modern dating. And instead of
00:50:04.200bringing joy and humor, we unintentionally did the opposite. So I actually saw a lot of the
00:50:12.040criticism of these billboards and people were saying like, oh, they're knocking celibacy as
00:50:16.940a lifestyle, all of that. Totally get that. But I actually have a different take. So I think that
00:50:23.620if anything, the problem that Bumble was actually like making light of in a way that was in poor
00:50:30.420taste is that Bumble is just no longer serving women who they say is their like main intended
00:50:37.340user base. So more and more women are just getting off of these platforms. And on top of that,
00:50:43.860more and more bots are on these platforms too like i recently watched the ashley madison
00:50:49.720documentary on netflix and it is so wild how they're basically like oh yeah on top of the0.92
00:50:55.660like cheating most of the time we were just like charging stupid men 20 a month to chat with bots
00:51:03.580and other men and themselves right so like dating apps are kind of a like house of cards where0.99
00:51:10.160women have been like, this sucks, we're leaving. And these platforms are like, oh God, we have to
00:51:16.100charge men who want to be in conversation with women for something. And a lot of that is bots.
00:51:21.580And so I actually see these ads as almost this like weird tone deaf plea to women to come back
00:51:30.720to these platforms, even though these platforms are kind of acknowledging that they failed them
00:51:35.580because the platforms need women on them to make money and so i totally see what people who are
00:51:41.940saying like oh this was a dig on celibacy are saying but i think it's actually more insulting
00:51:46.160than that i think what these platforms are saying is like listen women we need you on this platform0.94
00:51:52.400to make money so like what are you gonna do be celibate no way come back to our platform yeah0.66
00:51:58.220Yeah, it does feel a little like desperate and like trying to be edgy, but just coming off as desperate, which is definitely not a good look if you've ever been on a dating platform.
00:52:11.300Especially if you are the dating platform.
00:52:14.120And I think desperate is the right word for it.
00:52:16.720And I just feel like I wish we lived in a world where what these platforms were offering was functionally and meaningfully just something better, something that feels like respect and fun and exploration and excitement, not just fatigue.
00:52:46.000I'm glad they apologized. But I think the problem is deeper than just these billboards. I think that they are not serving women. Women are smart enough to not stick around where they are not having good experiences and where it's clear that they, you know, aren't wanted or aren't valued.
00:53:03.240And I think it's a real problem, not just for the women that they're failing to serve, but also for their business model. You can't just have a dynamic that women feel like they're being mistreated and not served and expect them to continue showing up for more of the same.
00:53:19.360Yeah. And maybe the problem is even broader and deeper that, you know, the problem they're trying to solve is people lacking human connection in their life.
00:53:35.020And there's just a fundamental tension of offering people a digital tool to solve that problem, where the financial success of that digital tool depends on people continuing to use that tool and continuing to engage with it and pay subscription fees month after month.
00:53:56.200You know, you can you can have one, but you can't have both.
00:53:58.480And I fundamentally believe, you know, later on in this conversation with Bloomberg that Wendy Wolf Heard had about the future of online dating, she was talking about this loneliness epidemic that we're all in.
00:54:13.940And that's very real, but I'm not sure that the people who have given us our current tech and digital landscape are the same ones that I would trust or want to be using technology to solve our current loneliness crisis.
00:54:32.080Like the people that got us into our current situation are not the people that I would trust to get us out of it.
00:54:37.060Like if you drove my car into a ditch, I don't think I would trust you to drive it out of the ditch.
00:54:42.140I might say, it's time for you to sit in the backseat
00:54:44.720and let somebody else take a turn at the wheel.
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