Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - February 09, 2024


A Quickie: The Right Wing's Travis and Taylor Conspiracy + Pay the Influencer Kids Already

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I'm a High Functioning Mess...How About You? Sunday Nice Things: Gratitudeology

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00:00:00.000 Hello, hello, hello. It is Friday, the Super Bowl is this weekend, the Eagles aren't playing
00:00:09.960 so I don't really care, but you might be going to a Super Bowl party and you may want
00:00:15.700 some things to talk about. You may want to catch up on the latest influencer news. So
00:00:21.500 we're trying something new on Fridays. We're just going to do a quick and dirty recap with
00:00:26.680 our coven of influencer and social media reporters about the big news that you may have missed this
00:00:32.560 week. It's like the daily, but with foul language and a lot more fun. First up, we have something
00:00:41.000 that is actually relevant for your Super Bowl party. What does Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's
00:00:47.240 relationship have to do with the latest right-wing conspiracy theory taking over the internets? 0.98
00:00:53.780 We have Glamour reporter Steph McNeil here to explain her story from this week. 0.57
00:00:59.820 So we all know that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey have completely taken over everyone's life, our entire culture.
00:01:08.240 We are now in a Taylor and Travis monoculture.
00:01:11.060 um and apparently it is not only a monoculture among those of us who like entertainment and
00:01:20.400 pop culture but it is now seeping in some of the worst parts of our culture the right-wing ecosystem
00:01:27.420 all of the hype around their relationship reached a fever pitch when the chiefs won the game that
00:01:35.060 got them into the Super Bowl a couple of weeks ago where it it was just kind of this magical
00:01:42.160 moment I assume until slash if they win the Super Bowl on Sunday where we had followed them this
00:01:49.520 whole season Taylor Swift is having the best year of her career she is dating Travis who is on this
00:01:56.460 team that is now going to the Super Bowl and it was just kind of the pinnacle of this almost reality
00:02:01.520 show we've been following for so long. It was that just kind of this being this peak of this
00:02:07.240 huge cultural moment combined with the fact that there has been some reporting that the Biden
00:02:12.940 campaign has really been hoping to get Taylor Swift as a surrogate going into the election,
00:02:18.660 hoping for her not only to endorse him like she did in 2020, but also to really come out and
00:02:26.340 fundraise for him and really kind of get her fans to vote for him essentially um and so I guess this
00:02:34.580 kind of broke something in the right-wing influencers brains and they started to speculate
00:02:41.440 that this all is planned like it's too much that Biden needs Taylor's endorsement or wants Taylor's
00:02:53.580 endorsement. And now all of a sudden, she's not only a super influential figure among her mostly
00:03:00.720 female audience and those who follow pop culture, but now she's become this hugely influential
00:03:05.840 figure among the NFL and sports and football. And they started speculating that, you know,
00:03:14.500 nothing's nothing happens by coincidence. So it has to be that Taylor and Travis are a huge
00:03:21.240 sigh up by the Biden campaign to get everyone to fall in love with them. And then when they
00:03:27.040 inevitably endorse Biden, they say, to just convince the entire country to vote for Biden.
00:03:35.100 If that doesn't make a lot of sense, it's not supposed to. I do think that Taylor Swift has
00:03:41.640 a huge amount of political power. And I think it's interesting because she's really only flexed 1.00
00:03:48.940 that muscle a few times. In the Miss Americana documentary, a big part of it is that she is
00:03:56.800 kind of debating whether she should essentially come out as a Democrat and whether she should
00:04:00.500 endorse a Democratic candidate in her home state of Tennessee. And since then, she has been somewhat
00:04:07.640 politically active. She's not the most politically active celebrity by far. She kind of comes out
00:04:13.220 for big things or it seems causes she she personally really cares about like I said
00:04:18.920 she endorsed Biden in 2020 um but even since 2020 her political or not her political power but her
00:04:29.760 cultural power is so huge now it's like I wasn't alive for the Beatles or Elvis but I have to think
00:04:36.980 it's kind of unlike anything I've ever seen in my lifetime and I think that if you know she got on
00:04:42.260 stage with Biden, I do think that I don't know if it would necessarily sway people who are going to
00:04:47.980 vote for Trump to vote for Biden, but I think it could make an impact. And I think Travis Kelsey
00:04:53.500 as well, you know, he has really stood firm on a couple of big political issues. He's been very
00:05:00.260 supportive of the vaccine, which obviously shouldn't be political, but he's been in commercials
00:05:04.060 encouraging people to get the COVID vaccine. So, I mean, yeah, I definitely think that if the two
00:05:09.760 of them came together and, you know, didn't just say on Instagram, oh yeah, by the way,
00:05:14.260 vote for Biden, but really like campaigned for him. I do think it would make a difference.
00:05:20.360 Next up, we have Teen Vogue's for Tessa Latifi to talk about whether or not kid influencers
00:05:26.600 are actually going to start to get paid by their parents. And are we all sick of rich people and 1.00
00:05:34.440 fake rich people on TikTok. I'm so glad that you are on today because there's been a lot a lot of
00:05:42.460 news in the world of influencing and you've been reporting on a lot of this news and I just yeah
00:05:51.520 I want to I want to hear all the things you wrote a story about the states that are now trying to
00:05:57.880 require influencer parents to pay their kids, which I am here for. I am all for this. I'm going
00:06:07.980 to read the opening of this article because I think it is so important. Imagine that you're
00:06:13.420 the child of an influencer. Your parents pull in serious money in the multi-billion dollar industry
00:06:19.680 of family influencing, but it is your childhood and adolescence documented in this monetized
00:06:26.560 content. You participate in lucrative brand deals, appear in content that gains profits through
00:06:33.160 views, and help your family's platform. But when you reach the age of 18, there isn't a dollar
00:06:40.740 set aside for you. I mean, it's fucking dark, man. It's crazy. It's crazy in 49 states that's 1.00
00:06:51.400 legal. So which which state is it not legal in? Illinois. Fascinating. Fascinating. You'd think
00:07:00.280 it would be California or something. But Illinois, I'm here. I'm here for what Illinois is doing.
00:07:05.400 So, yeah, in Illinois, the earnings of child influencers are protected legally.
00:07:11.820 But it does seem like there is going to be a change in at least six other states. Talk to me
00:07:19.220 about that. Yeah, it feels like there's a reckoning. I mean, just in January of 2024,
00:07:24.480 Maryland, California, Georgia, Missouri, Ohio and Arizona all introduced legislation that would
00:07:30.520 mirror Illinois's legislation and even in some cases deal with privacy concerns. So it's really
00:07:36.200 a big deal because in 2023, only two states introduced it in the entire year. So it was
00:07:41.780 Washington State and Illinois. Illinois passed it. Washington State is still in the House of
00:07:47.340 representatives. And then in the first month of the year in 2024, we have six states joining.
00:07:54.000 Why do you think so many states are signing on now? What is changing?
00:07:57.960 I think the tide is just changing the way that we look at kid influencers and the way
00:08:02.960 that we think about them, especially relative to how child actors were so unprotected for so long
00:08:08.120 and in some states still are so unprotected. And people are like, wait, why are we not regulating
00:08:13.320 this industry at all when kids are the backbone of it. Absolutely. Absolutely. And this legislation
00:08:19.380 entitles child influencers under the age of 16 to at least 30 percent of the adult vloggers
00:08:27.460 compensated video content produced within a 30 day period, which includes the likeness, name or
00:08:34.900 photograph of the minor. That's I think that's that's pretty good language around a law.
00:08:39.980 yeah it is and you can see that they're trying to stretch it as much as possible because obviously
00:08:45.280 like there are posts that are monetized that are just like photo posts or there are ones that are
00:08:50.680 like they're talking about the kid the entire time but maybe the kid isn't shown but that's
00:08:55.060 their likeness name or photograph yeah i mean it's crazy and you have talked to a lot of adult
00:09:04.800 children of influencers who believe in laws like this and who believe in regulations around how
00:09:13.800 children can be used in videos. Talk to me about them. Yeah, I mean, I think they're very hopeful
00:09:20.120 on one hand that the the world and the country is finally like paying attention to their struggles.
00:09:25.880 But the other on the other hand, it's really sad because for a lot of them, it's too late, right?
00:09:30.520 Whatever we do now won't save the kids that this has already happened to. And I'm not sure how the laws will address when they go into effect. Does that mean that if a kid turns 18 before that, that they're not allowed remuneration? It's just so complicated. And it feels like no matter how far these laws go, they can't go far enough to save these kids' childhoods.
00:09:56.080 no no i don't i don't think they can but they can do some good i yes after reporting on this
00:10:04.200 for four years now i genuinely believe that any restrictions are good because it makes us pause
00:10:11.400 it makes us pause yes think about this world instead of it just remaining something that we
00:10:18.100 do and consume willy-nilly we need to think about it as both serious business and as something
00:10:25.180 addictive. And when we have these regulations, at least we have another layer of mindfulness.
00:10:33.320 Yeah, absolutely. And maybe it'll make the parents think, too, and think about it as,
00:10:37.500 OK, this is work. This is not just like this fun content, like whatever, like making content is
00:10:42.240 work. You and I know and we're adults. I know. I know. I mean, I'd be making so much content
00:10:47.100 for this for this hot Sicilian every day. Yes. And look, I mean, if I thought my kids would sell 0.51
00:10:54.800 books. I would totally put them in the videos. Well, listen, they probably would. Would they?
00:11:00.820 Would they? I mean, all of this money is already going into their college accounts anyway. So I'm
00:11:06.500 like, why don't why don't I make them work? See, it's a slippery slope, slippery slope, my friends.
00:11:12.680 It is. It is. But yes, we I mean, these I think these laws are such a good thing and you're doing
00:11:17.420 such great reporting on them.
00:11:20.620 Thank you.
00:11:21.540 Not just to protect children,
00:11:23.780 but also to prevent all of us
00:11:27.060 from the overconsumption of the social media,
00:11:30.200 which is something else you have written about this week.
00:11:32.780 You have another story.
00:11:34.200 You are very prolific right now, girl,
00:11:36.320 saying we are getting disillusioned
00:11:39.640 by overconsumption on TikTok.
00:11:43.940 Yes.
00:11:44.120 You know, we're not feeling as good as we used to anymore.
00:11:47.420 No, I really think that like the King Kylie era of influencers where we were just like wanted to see influencers and celebrities like flex their Cartier rings and Bentleys and like thousands of boxes like people are over it.
00:12:02.040 And I don't know if it's because people are like struggling to afford rent and there's so many layoffs and, you know, a trip to the grocery store is so expensive.
00:12:10.140 But people are just like, this is actually kind of gross.
00:12:13.000 yeah yeah it is it is actually kind of gross and i i feel yeah i feel yucky when i'm on the social
00:12:22.200 media too long i mean you're you're writing about how on tiktok there is just this storm brewing
00:12:31.080 brewing around the all too curated lifestyle and you know is it rich people getting richer
00:12:38.820 especially as we're living in this world of constant layoffs and inflation. So many people
00:12:44.760 are struggling right now. And now consumers of this content say, you know, I'm just I'm just
00:12:50.020 kind of sick at looking looking at rich people getting richer. Yeah, totally. And you see this
00:12:55.820 like it's really fascinating because what brought this to my mind is two things this week. So there's
00:13:01.300 this one influencer on TikTok whose name is Darcy McQueenie and she has millions of followers and 0.86
00:13:06.800 her whole thing is just like overconsumption. And just I mean, every day it's like, let's do a
00:13:13.000 Sephora haul. Let's do let's open packages, whatever. And she had this series of videos
00:13:17.800 where she was like, oh, let's open these boxes of PR gifts that have been waiting for me to open 0.55
00:13:24.760 them for months. And it was like literally like four massive box, no, four massive stacks of
00:13:30.580 boxes. Like I can't even it was like a whole room full of like gifts. Right. And she was like,
00:13:36.220 I have no idea what's in any of these two months of PR packages means four days of
00:13:40.240 unboxing and the stitches and duets and comments were like bananas that came out of it.
00:13:45.160 Like it was mostly people being judgmental either towards Darcy herself for having so
00:13:49.520 much stuff and like showing it off or the companies for sending that many gifts to one
00:13:53.780 person.
00:13:54.340 Like someone commented, this is worth more than my tuition.
00:13:58.280 Yeah, that is.
00:13:59.660 And it just like people just don't want to see it anymore.
00:14:02.100 And people are like, what do you do with all this stuff?
00:14:04.020 Like whatever.
00:14:05.260 And I mean, I don't know, this is kind of like a double edged sword, but Darcy did say she was going to donate most of the stuff back to fans.
00:14:13.140 But I haven't seen an update on that.
00:14:15.000 And I reached out to her management for a comment about the giveaway and haven't heard anything back.
00:14:19.040 So that's neither here nor there.
00:14:21.240 Just like a lot of celebrities who are getting paid for their baby photos back in the day from magazines, we're like, we're donating all this money.
00:14:30.220 And none of them ever did.
00:14:32.260 OK, it's an easy thing to say, you know.
00:14:35.060 So easy. And thank you for following up because not enough people follow up. And then, you know, these influencers and celebrities get away with it. And, you know, I do want to just throw out one real life example. This kind of content is damaging.
00:14:52.700 You know, I work with a lot of young women who consume this content and they get very depressed that their lives do not look like this, that they do not have these things.
00:15:06.440 And in a perfect storm in the past year, they have been purchasing all of these things on those like Klarna payment plans.
00:15:16.120 Yes.
00:15:16.760 Because now it is so easy to purchase these things on a so-called payment plan without even a credit card or a credit history.
00:15:25.840 And now they're paying some like $3,000 a month on these payment plans because they wanted that Apple Watch and that Michael Kors purse and that new laptop.
00:15:36.000 And it made it seem so easy.
00:15:38.360 And also these TikToks make it seem like everyone else is doing it.
00:15:42.220 This is how to be happy.
00:15:43.180 And also this is what you deserve. 0.87
00:15:44.620 and it is just it is just a way to send young women into debt and i'm happy that we are seeing
00:15:51.960 seeing a backlash against it yeah and i'm glad we're talking about the that the basis of so much
00:15:57.100 of this is debt because you see this these people online you're like how are they buying so much
00:16:01.680 stuff and a lot of times the answer is either they come from family wealth they're influencers
00:16:06.240 already or debt debt debt debt debt like that makes my stomach hurt to think about a three
00:16:11.080 thousand dollar shopping bill every month like that legit makes my like teeth ache a three thousand
00:16:16.320 dollar shopping bill for someone who is trying to put themselves through school and is not making
00:16:21.580 very much money but it seems so easy at the time it's like oh my gosh i also invisalign like i'm
00:16:28.540 hearing about all of these things that you can pay you pay fifteen dollars a month for five years
00:16:34.460 for the rest of your life it's so it's so predatory and seeing the images on tiktok
00:16:41.540 i don't think it's as easy my husband dismisses it more than i do because he's like well they 0.94
00:16:46.540 shouldn't be watching that it's dumb and i'm like shut up everyone is watching it yeah what do you
00:16:50.760 mean the same as we were watching tv or i would read a magazine and be like i would love that 0.96
00:16:56.760 sweater but it wasn't possible for me to get that 700 christian dior sweater just by like looking
00:17:02.960 into your phone and back in yeah back in 1998 okay um it is like make no mistake all of this
00:17:11.420 is very predatory on young women and i'm just happy that we're seeing more we're seeing a lot
00:17:20.680 of de-influencing now can you talk to me about what de-influencing is yes so this cracks me up
00:17:26.700 there's this one creator who her at is depression.gov on TikTok. And I highly recommend that
00:17:32.920 everyone goes and follows her and watches her. She has over 115,000 TikTok followers last time 0.94
00:17:39.560 I checked. And she is so funny. She stitches other creators who are taking people in and out
00:17:45.380 through the ins and outs of their consumerism. So she'll just like comment on like a video of a
00:17:51.080 person buying a bunch of holiday specific decor at Target. And it's just like plastic like crap 0.99
00:17:56.300 that like you're going to throw out that's not going to last. And she's just like, garbage, 1.00
00:18:00.300 garbage, garbage. You don't need this. This is garbage. And she's like, it's so funny. And it's 1.00
00:18:06.000 also just like such a difference from what you see with it. Like, come shopping with me. Like,
00:18:10.060 come restock this with me. Come restock this with me. And it's like, that's not a normal way to live.
00:18:15.660 And I feel like these de-influencers are kind of bringing us back to reality a little bit where
00:18:20.860 they're like, no, this isn't how regular people live. These are all good things. You've been
00:18:27.740 reporting on good things this week. The government. Imagine. I know. I know. The government is finally
00:18:34.180 stepping in. People are finally admitting that all of this cheap shit available on the Internet 1.00
00:18:40.060 is exactly that cheap shit. Oh, you're making me feel better about humanity right now. 1.00
00:18:46.320 wow i'm so glad i feel pretty good about it too it's it's really good to see everything
00:18:51.760 kind of like taking not everything but some things taking a turn for the better for at once
00:18:56.740 it's nice to see some things are better i love it i love it well thank you for coming on i love
00:19:03.180 having you here and i will talk to you more soon my dear thanks for having me okay talk to you later
00:19:08.060 that's all we've got for today i hope it gave you some fun conversation starters
00:19:12.880 have a wonderful Super Bowl weekend. Go Eagles, even though you're not playing. And if you're
00:19:19.860 bored and just sitting around, pre-order the Sicilian inheritance. Did you think I wasn't
00:19:24.620 going to slip it in? Just one little nugget in this episode? Go have a great day. Do something
00:19:32.300 nice for yourself. You deserve it.
00:19:42.880 Thank you.