Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - Bonus： A Sicilian Road Trip With My Best Friend

00:00:00.000 hey all this does not sound like every other episode of under the influence but i thought

00:00:11.280 maybe you would like to be in a car with me and my best friend jackie driving on on the coastline 0.84

00:00:18.480 of sicily and uh so we just recorded some shit here it is okay so what's not to love about 0.97

00:00:28.740 two best college girlfriends 0.97

00:00:30.820 who have been

00:00:32.760 we've been joking about this for years

00:00:34.860 about how we're going to go on spring break

00:00:36.200 we're going to leave our children behind

00:00:38.360 and go on spring break

00:00:39.400 like an epic spring break

00:00:41.180 I think we were

00:00:44.840 imagining like a recreation of our

00:00:46.500 epic Key West spring break

00:00:47.920 but alas this is much better

00:00:50.620 this is better

00:00:51.220 less debauchery

00:00:53.180 so far

00:00:54.660 we did just hop a fence

00:00:57.800 We did hop the fence, which is not normally anything I would do.

00:01:01.540 I'm not really a fence hopper.

00:01:03.020 You're not.

00:01:03.580 You're not.

00:01:04.200 Risk taker kind of person, though you are.

00:01:06.240 You are not a risk taker.

00:01:08.280 Okay.

00:01:09.000 So what's not so love about friends from Best Friends in College coming together in their 40s to go on an epic adventure?

00:01:16.060 True.

00:01:16.740 Right?

00:01:17.720 Yeah.

00:01:18.140 No.

00:01:18.460 I love it.

00:01:19.240 I love it.

00:01:20.720 So, yeah, we're in Sicily, and I'm here reporting for the Sicilian Inheritance podcast.

00:01:27.800 i've got to solve this murder guys i am here i've been in the records in agrigento all day

00:01:32.980 the land records trying to figure out if my great-great-grandmother lorenza was murdered

00:01:37.400 for her land spoiler i really think she might be and i told jackie i was coming on this trip but i

00:01:42.760 was gonna come by myself with my translator and she was like all right i'll just i'll i'll just

00:01:47.800 book a ticket and i'll just come and crash your work trip and she did and she met me in rome and

00:01:53.480 we flew to palermo yesterday i was awake for like 24 hours and we've already packed like the

00:02:01.260 best i think the best part is actually just us being in the car together for sure it's my favorite

00:02:06.160 part um and the fact that i like i do feel like i'm being more adventurous than i mean i'm loving

00:02:12.240 it and um i'm ready for adventures i'm ready for it we are 43 we're 43 we've been best friends for

00:02:21.520 25 years we met what what's our meet cute um is our meet cute well we became oh was it when you

00:02:28.400 burped in my face no it was the bulldog in dc yes yes yes yes yes but okay so jackie and i were both

00:02:36.960 in a sorority called tri-delta and you know i thought that everyone in i didn't think everyone

00:02:45.680 in the sorority was going to be like snotty but everyone was way more put together than i was

00:02:51.360 and like jackie is real put together i mean she just like always looks ridiculously like done 0.91

00:02:59.400 i'm making a face right now fyi because it's look at look at this ridiculous town in front 0.54

00:03:04.360 of us by the way what is that oh i don't know i don't know on there's just a good

00:03:08.860 what if we'll get they're just climbing up a mountainside this is

00:03:14.880 there's a castello chiaramente coming up yeah it's pretty if i weren't so afraid of driving

00:03:25.340 this massive car up those tiny streets i would drive us up there right now that's beautiful so

00:03:31.200 all right so you know we go we were at mad for max this is when we became friends we were at

00:03:37.500 mad for mex for like an early you're veering left we were at mad for mex which was our mexican

00:03:45.200 restaurant on campus and i was like oh here's this like very put together girl from manhattan

00:03:52.260 um and then she burped in my face i do remember this belched in my face and i was like oh another

00:04:01.300 thing i rarely do you really bring out the fun in me i do i was like oh we can be best friends now

00:04:07.160 we can um and then we have been we have been ever since that day and we've traveled we've

00:04:12.620 traveled a bunch together we went on two spring breaks in college the first one was to madrid 0.82

00:04:18.940 of all places with our most pen early 2000s thing to fucking do it was that was my first time being 0.78

00:04:28.740 out of the country except for mexico um i didn't tell my parents remember i just went and then i 0.78

00:04:33.200 called them i do remember that i do remember that yeah and i was like hey i'm in spain and um

00:04:42.560 where did they think you were going no clue i don't even know if they knew it was spring break

00:04:47.620 and so then i we went to madrid for spring break we went to key west for senior year spring break 0.98

00:04:55.280 uh which that was dramatic that was dramatic everyone's fucking ex-boyfriend showed up 0.96

00:04:59.820 My friend showed up and then and I started dating. Oh, no, actually, we met him there. 0.98

00:05:06.060 I did. My favorite of your ex-boyfriends. We met there that during that trip.

00:05:09.760 We met we met we met Dan Barry there, who is a felon. Favorite sociopath. He's a felon. 0.90

00:05:15.440 OK, he was allegedly I'm I don't think he's a felon. I'm pretty sure he was in prison, Jackie.

00:05:22.700 Hopefully we were dating. But after we did, I'm pretty sure he went to prison.

00:05:27.340 White collar. This is some white collar shit you're describing. 1.00

00:05:29.820 I don't know he is oh but he was so charming he was very funny and very charming um and so where 0.99

00:05:37.720 else we went we did that girls trip to Miami but all of this was before I had kids you had kids

00:05:42.060 young I had kids young well I got married when I was 25 which was young and then I had kids when

00:05:47.220 I was 30 also young because I got married when I was 35 and had kids very close to 40 so yeah so

00:05:55.740 now i don't think your door's shut the door there's a there's a good chance the door's open

00:06:03.260 we're we're just by the way we're driving along the coast to a town i'm gonna i'm gonna take your

00:06:08.500 your very precious backpack with all of your very important things and put it away from the door

00:06:12.940 okay we're driving on this ridiculously beautiful road right now with the ocean on one side

00:06:19.860 these like whitewashed rugged cliffs on the other and if you guys are following me on instagram

00:06:25.680 I'm pretty much live streaming this whole trip.

00:06:28.120 I've decided that I want to start an OnlyFans account of women eating pasta 0.98

00:06:33.000 and just see if we can get men to pay to watch me eat pasta all day. 0.91

00:06:38.320 It's a good idea. 0.77

00:06:39.660 It is a good, this is a good way to monetize whoever's kink is watching someone, 0.99

00:06:45.260 watching a lady eat some, a lady of a certain age eat some pasta. 0.79

00:06:49.180 So we're doing that.

00:06:50.500 We stayed right outside the Temple to Athena.

00:06:55.680 in Agrigento last night and our hotel was beautiful and had a private entrance to go see

00:07:01.940 the temple to athena which is 600 years old or no it's like 6 000 years old or something

00:07:10.260 no not 6 000 it's uh six six century bc so what 600 years before before jesus and uh

00:07:18.480 yeah there's a lot of you haven't jackie by the way guys jackie just started reading

00:07:23.820 Sicilian inheritance. And there's a lot of mythology in it because all of the Greek myths

00:07:28.860 are actually Sicilian myths. The Sicily flag has Medusa on it. And there's a joke in Sicilian

00:07:37.460 inheritance about Medusa. What do you think of the book so far, Jackie? I love it. And I'm really,

00:07:41.620 really enjoying it, like reading it here. Like, I think that's a really magical thing about it.

00:07:46.860 And I'm thinking about it. Like, I was thinking about it when I wasn't reading it. And that is,

00:07:51.640 to me the indication of a book that is fantastic because i read a lot i do i read a lot i love

00:07:56.200 historical fiction and when all i want to do is like get home to read my book that to me is you

00:08:03.040 know that's like my ding ding ding i have found a book that i'm loving um 10 out of 10 recommend

00:08:10.040 10 out of 10 recommend and i can't wait to see like what happens to sarah i know i know wait i

00:08:15.020 mean just wait for it it gets really i'm excited it gets crazy so um i do want to say i

00:08:19.780 traveling without my kids is so amazing so they're home Nick is obviously there my mom is there all

00:08:29.440 week and and we have another caregiver there all week so they're they're fine but traveling with

00:08:37.220 them it's so easy it's almost like doing nothing I mean I was saying yesterday how nimble I feel

00:08:43.640 like I feel so light like I can just do things so quickly I'm so nimble I'm so I mean you just

00:08:49.480 I woke up this morning and I, okay, there was a weird, there's weird statues that look like humans

00:08:55.200 on the side of this tunnel. I, you know, woke up, I washed my face, I got in the car and I

00:09:01.840 went somewhere and nothing, like no one touched me. No one asked me for anything. I feel so

00:09:09.400 free, so much anxiety. And you know that I've been so anxious. Everyone knows that I've been

00:09:15.420 so anxious about this book going on sale because getting people to buy books is hard and book

00:09:20.920 marketing i'm competing with all of the fairy fantasies and the dragons and it's not easy to

00:09:27.900 compete with the dragons the fairy fantasies because those are good i mean yeah i love those

00:09:32.960 i know you do um so there's some staunch competition i mean the bestseller list right

00:09:37.680 now is mostly fairies and dragons amazing because they're written by women and i love that but

00:09:43.180 you know, can delicious food and Sicilian beaches beat fairies? 0.78

00:09:48.960 Yeah. Yes. I mean, one would hope. I also think it's a, I, I love reading and I love historical 1.00

00:09:56.060 fiction. Um, and I, I do love a good beach read, but I'll tell you something I hate when my

00:10:01.160 intelligence is insulted. Like I just don't want to read a book that makes me feel like I'm getting

00:10:07.800 dumber. I mean, there's some books that I fly through, but I'm like, this is just like McDonald's

00:10:11.740 for my brain and i feel like the sicilian inheritance is fascinating it's intriguing

00:10:17.280 and it's smart like i i just feel like it's um it's a smart read love that i'm not even i'm not

00:10:23.660 even paying you to say that yes and i mean it anyway i've my anxiety my anxiety has been at

00:10:28.580 a fever pitch it has been bad but he wrote the people who driving here driving here this is

00:10:35.660 next level insane driving here is gonza bananas i mean there are no rules on these roads no rules

00:10:44.140 and they will they will just like they will just pass you and then you will get to a roundabout

00:10:48.400 that has 15 turns merging into it and nobody yields but there's also no lights so it's just

00:10:54.100 like it's a it's a massive game of chicken oh that's in the sicilian inheritance too you haven't

00:10:57.940 gotten to that part it's gonna be very funny people that have recently been to sicily will

00:11:01.500 will just be laughing very hard um while they're reading the book they're like oh my god yeah it's

00:11:06.400 a constant game of chicken uh so my anxiety's been shitty being here i feel so much better and it's

00:11:12.900 not i mean yes i'm with my best friend and that's amazing but also because travel is hard and

00:11:17.580 traveling in a place like this is hard but hard in a way that you just figure it out right and like

00:11:22.880 so i think that traveling makes me feel capable again because i'm like i'm out of my comfort zone

00:11:30.420 I never drive because we're in Philadelphia and, you know, God bless Nick Astor.

00:11:34.580 He wants to save the planet.

00:11:36.300 And so we never drive the car.

00:11:37.660 We ride that electric cargo bike everywhere.

00:11:39.880 So I haven't driven in God knows how long.

00:11:41.980 And now I'm driving in Sicily, which is a constant game of Frogger on these streets here.

00:11:46.640 But I feel good.

00:11:47.800 I feel bold.

00:11:50.500 Do you remember when I was first getting to know Nick?

00:11:58.120 You're making a laugh.

00:11:59.080 You're keeping left.

00:11:59.680 yes you're doing you're keeping left and it was your baby shower oh yeah and we have 11 miles 0.76

00:12:06.240 oh that's beautiful some like fucking ruins up there okay so do you remember when i was just 0.61

00:12:14.340 getting to know nick it was your baby shower and i really hadn't spent that much time with nick i 0.84

00:12:20.380 really hadn't right and then we are for whatever oh we were in an airbnb in philly because you

00:12:26.500 I had a milk affiliate.

00:12:27.680 Yeah.

00:12:28.140 And I just carried over so much champagne for your baby shower.

00:12:32.920 And I look at you guys, the chewy you.

00:12:35.040 That's not true.

00:12:35.460 You just didn't want to look in heels.

00:12:36.640 No, no, wait for it.

00:12:37.280 And then I made a joke.

00:12:38.360 I said, I'm going to Uber.

00:12:42.300 And Nick said, Nick was like.

00:12:44.520 Very upset.

00:12:45.340 No, no, no, no.

00:12:45.860 Don't.

00:12:46.100 You wouldn't Uber.

00:12:46.680 He thought I was kidding.

00:12:47.460 He thought you were kidding.

00:12:47.920 Because it was like a three block walk.

00:12:49.180 Dark joke.

00:12:49.600 And I said, oh, no, I will not walk more than three blocks in heels.

00:12:55.060 And the look.

00:12:55.520 the look on his face the look on his face yeah i was like oh joe no i know and then you said you

00:13:04.380 were like seriously just he gets really really sensitive about that so you know it's so funny

00:13:08.680 because certain things he gets sensitive about you have to put that mic over near me sorry certain

00:13:13.460 things he gets sensitive about and it's because his world he wants the world to be better so bad

00:13:19.060 and so it's he doesn't blame you he blames like the world for being difficult i don't know i

00:13:26.420 really thought he blamed me at that moment the look he might have blamed you he blames me i mean

00:13:31.860 that was my carbon footprint is very high i'm sorry i mean he doesn't listen to my podcast

00:13:35.900 anyway so he won't find out but we have a giant car we live in tennessee we have a giant our car

00:13:40.400 is so big one of our one of our biggest fights when we first got married we were in san francisco

00:13:44.280 is that he wanted to walk everywhere and i'm like have you seen these hills have you seen this fog

00:13:49.700 and what this is going to do to my hair and you know back then that was before i gave up wearing

00:13:54.200 wearing heels and that's pregnant and so i was finally like if you ever judge me again for taking

00:14:00.580 an uber i want you for taking an uber i will divorce you um and so he doesn't judge me as

00:14:05.820 much but i can just see it i can see it he can't hide his judgment very well um so yeah no uh but

00:14:13.600 I mean, you have to drive everywhere in Sicily.

00:14:15.760 You can't, there's no getting around it.

00:14:18.080 But I, anyway, I feel great.

00:14:20.200 My anxiety is very low.

00:14:22.160 I feel, I feel very light and I feel free.

00:14:25.360 And it's just, you know, oh, so hey, you see that?

00:14:28.300 Jack, this is crazy.

00:14:29.720 This is a moment.

00:14:31.140 It's a moment.

00:14:31.660 All right.

00:14:32.160 When we get through this tunnel here,

00:14:33.860 you're going to look to the right.

00:14:35.300 There's a like mountain.

00:14:36.960 And then there's one rock that looks like a shark fin

00:14:39.660 that's coming up from the mountain.

00:14:42.080 I'm very excited to see it.

00:14:43.600 And that, my friend, is Caltabalota, which is the town where my family is from.

00:14:48.380 You see it right there?

00:14:49.820 In the middle.

00:14:50.920 There's three peaks.

00:14:51.900 There's one, two.

00:14:53.020 Yes.

00:14:53.720 I do.

00:14:54.100 I see that.

00:14:54.480 Yeah.

00:14:54.720 Yeah, that's Caltabalota right there.

00:14:56.260 Yeah.

00:14:56.720 We're going to stay there tomorrow.

00:14:58.720 Very exciting.

00:14:59.440 Yeah, that's where Lorenza was murdered.

00:15:01.720 Oh, my gosh. 0.91

00:15:03.260 Lorenza.

00:15:04.180 Lorenza.

00:15:04.360 Isn't that a cool name?

00:15:05.260 It's a very cool name.

00:15:06.400 When I was going through the archives, I mean, I'm sad that I'm finished naming my children,

00:15:09.600 but also not because I don't want any more kids. 0.93

00:15:12.000 But when I was going through the archives this morning, there were so many cool ass lady names.

00:15:19.440 Pellegrina was one that I really liked.

00:15:22.480 What was the name of the of the land?

00:15:24.360 Gristelda?

00:15:25.300 Oh, yeah.

00:15:25.960 Oh, so I was going through the land records to see what land Lorenza owned, because we think she may have been killed for this land.

00:15:34.160 Turns out she bought a plot of land three years herself in 1913, bought a plot of land before she was murdered.

00:15:42.000 um here but the land all had names um so the land that she bought was named gristella i think

00:15:51.560 or grisabella or grisostella and then there was another plot of land named benedetto like that

00:15:56.880 all the land there's no addresses in these records just just names grist gristella oh now we're in

00:16:04.000 wine country by the way so wow oh i love wine um so it i i i imagine it was not a normal

00:16:12.100 thing for a woman to buy land or yes oh actually apparently i think that it was and this is

00:16:18.300 because so many men had left like a million a million sicilian men had left and also while it

00:16:25.020 is such a patriarchal male-dominated society women did have control over family finances a lot of

00:16:33.320 times um in unexpected ways which is which is something a lot of people don't realize that

00:16:40.000 women had more power maybe than some women did in 1913 in the United States so yeah these are all

00:16:47.680 all right so there's wine here look at all these oh I love wine this is beautiful oh my gosh it's

00:16:53.220 gorgeous it's stunning I'm excited um so yeah so now you saw Cotabalota and then we're going to

00:17:01.300 shocker which was just on the coast um i've i am at a different stage of parenting than you are

00:17:07.200 so my my i have three girls and my my girls are older my oldest is 14 my middle is 10 my youngest

00:17:15.220 is seven and oh yeah next time we stop i'm gonna open it and close it um and i so i

00:17:25.820 i'm not gonna lie when i travel i it's it's a lot easier for me now to travel with kids

00:17:31.720 um because i it's i mean it's a hell of a lot better to travel without kids i'm not saying that

00:17:39.160 it's easy but but it really is but comparing the way it was when i had like a an infant i mean you

00:17:45.840 got a one-year-old right i mean so that's that is intense traveling with little kids um now it's a

00:17:52.980 lot easier i mean you know they don't they can they can handle themselves and they can and they

00:17:56.400 can go on their um ipads and whatnot but it's still intense i'm i'm still dealing with all of

00:18:00.820 them all the stuff all the things i have a carry-on for this yeah um but i was we were talking

00:18:09.660 yesterday about how i was so eager to have some alone time and i was so looking forward to i mean

00:18:17.300 i spend a lot of time especially in this interesting period i'm in i've spent a lot of time with the

00:18:21.160 kids recently which has been wonderful and i was so looking forward to leaving and having some 0.98

00:18:26.720 alone time and get you know getting away from the kids and then the minute i got to the fucking 0.95

00:18:30.140 airport i saw a child and i was like oh i miss my kids i miss my kids why does that happen why 0.90

00:18:37.360 um and that's like 30 mom guilt and then just you know 70 just like loving your children like

00:18:45.200 i love them and they're amazing um i like i like to try i like to i like to think i am but

00:18:51.000 um we're just we're all doing our working to prevent too much therapy in the future

00:18:59.620 oh here's my concern like like a good amount of therapy i don't i want i don't want them to have

00:19:04.520 too much to need too much therapy my concern is that my kids are so soft and that their life is

00:19:10.160 so easy compared to mine growing up with like two alcoholic parents that hated each other

00:19:15.560 that my kids aren't gonna have anything to like make like to give them any edge they're gonna

00:19:21.620 have no edge whatsoever i mean i think i actively try to encourage edge sometimes by like making

00:19:28.820 them watch space balls i do look at look look more vineyards more vineyards um also i do want

00:19:36.440 to note that in sicily jackie realized this yesterday the gas stations have full bars

00:19:41.640 all of them have a full bar um and they will serve you anything you want i mean i don't i

00:19:47.720 i do not drink and drive uh as one of the one of the few laws that i i one of the few laws that i

00:19:54.520 will not break um but you could it seems a lot of people are drinking and driving here um and

00:20:00.180 just the passengers well one would think one would think and full like uh espresso bar we had a where

00:20:06.620 you stand up and talk to the espresso we had the best espresso yesterday the gas station um where

00:20:10.860 you stand up and drink out of a china cup and talk to the barista and um they also have the

00:20:17.820 best cannoli they have really great cannoli in the gas stations so it's a thing and gas stations are

00:20:22.200 a gem they're a gem we i mean it's that's i also talk about that in the sicilian inheritance my

00:20:26.880 friend tc uh if she's listening shout out spursing in she um she was once at a gas station i think

00:20:33.840 in sicily where they filled up like one of those red plastic containers that you normally put in

00:20:38.520 gas put gas in with red wine burger yeah fabulous

00:20:43.740 20 23 kilometers to shaka yep 20 minutes okay we're almost there because we passed

00:20:53.580 gottelitos i know we're almost there uh we are gonna get to our seaside room just in time for

00:20:58.260 sunset and you know i was not planning i wasn't planning on having wine last night and i did do

00:21:04.520 Oh, I just hit the microphone. I did dry January and then damp February, and I felt awesome. I really liked it. I wasn't planning on having any wine last night, and then I was so punch drunk already from not sleeping on the plane and then not sleeping at all that we split a bottle of wine, and we did.

00:21:24.580 we did pass out but i mean i was at 10 o'clock but i was so silly tipsy at dinner last night

00:21:31.920 that i just spilled water and wine all over myself all over myself um in our restaurant

00:21:38.760 that where the decor was a hundred percent from 1993 i'm pretty sure sicily is just still

00:21:44.800 trapped in 1993 trapped in time it is like it's not like it's the 50s it's specifically 1993

00:21:52.160 Yeah, the decor is stuck there.

00:21:53.660 The decor is stuck there.

00:21:54.860 It's a lot of white leather and frosted.

00:21:56.820 We heard my Sharona.

00:21:57.880 My Sharona. 0.82

00:21:58.500 A lot of frosted glass where you're just like, oh my gosh, a bunch of guys with flip phones might come in here and murder us. 0.86

00:22:08.360 For sure.

00:22:09.040 Yeah.

00:22:09.840 But like, it's not going to be like the guys that murder us would definitely have flip phones.

00:22:13.880 It makes you think, like, there must have been some sort of vast influx of money into the Sicilian economy in the early 90s.

00:22:21.240 Like, I want to look into this.

00:22:22.340 Why?

00:22:22.960 Why was everything, like, upgraded and renovated in the early 90s and then stopped?

00:22:27.220 In the early 90s, it has not.

00:22:28.900 Well, I don't know.

00:22:29.900 Well, the truth is.

00:22:31.420 Oh, lovely.

00:22:31.960 It's lovely for 1993.

00:22:33.380 For 1993.

00:22:36.100 It looks like every American lawyer's house in 1993.

00:22:39.080 it is well covid was really hard for sicily because tourism is huge that's why i i want

00:22:49.020 everyone to come to sicily i hope everyone who loves the sicilian inheritance comes to sicily

00:22:52.760 but it's really it picked up a lot after white lotus the thing is white lotus is filmed on the

00:22:59.680 other side of the island this is the west coast white lotus is on the east coast i love the west

00:23:04.580 coast i love it over here one of my favorite places in the world is the island of maritimo

00:23:09.560 which is off the coast if we had had an extra day we would have gone there's no cars on the island

00:23:14.760 it's just there's one restaurant that just cooks the fish that the fishermen make like when they

00:23:21.640 catch it we had a really good octopus last night i was good it was good octopus a weird shrimp dish

00:23:27.000 it was a weird shrimp pizza that was not a pizza no no it was unacceptable they don't really they

00:23:35.400 don't serve pizza here in the way we think about pizza or even the mainland thinks about pizza

00:23:40.120 they'll have you can get like a roundabout coming roundabout you can kind of get a focaccia that

00:23:45.880 look at how fast that car that car just passed us you can get kind of a focaccia situation like at a

00:23:50.720 gas station in the middle of the day um because also everything closes from two o'clock to six

00:23:55.080 o'clock so there's got to below two again um so yeah if you don't eat at two we made a reservation

00:24:03.220 uh today because if you don't eat you're not eating again till dinner unless you want gas

00:24:07.360 station pizza and cannoli dinner is very late dinner dinner's like 8 p.m i normally eat at

00:24:12.300 six and i'm in bed by night i am usually in bed real early but tonight oh we don't even have we

00:24:17.720 don't say can i just comment that you actually are driving like at a normal speed today yesterday

00:24:24.540 yesterday you were not yesterday you were driving like 30 miles an hour on the highway so i understood

00:24:29.860 why people were passing you but you're actually driving i don't know probably like 60 miles an

00:24:34.380 hour i don't know what the kilometers convert to um but people are still passing you very fast

00:24:39.360 okay so you're gonna go on the roundabout piazza and you're basically going straight if that makes

00:24:44.040 sense you're gonna be yeah no i mean i'm not driving back doing better now so here's the

00:24:52.800 thing about sicily and you look at that building right there but you will see like some of the

00:24:55.700 most beautiful buildings you've ever seen right and then like a building that looks like it's

00:24:59.860 half burned down to the ground look at that road to get up to contavoletta is

00:25:06.360 hell is it going to be fun tomorrow it's a million switchbacks so we cannot drive that

00:25:11.320 road hungover okay noted you'll puke you'll you'll barf you don't want to do that i don't

00:25:19.060 want to do that we're actually we're going to meet this cool photographer who has all of these

00:25:23.180 vintage photos from the town and we're going to go through them and see if we can find any of

00:25:27.860 lorenza that is very cool yeah yeah it's called the whole the whole trip is cool the whole trip

00:25:34.040 is cool and yeah i mean i just i just feel good i think it i think it should be mandatory i think

00:25:39.800 we should have i think that mother's day i said this last mother mother's day but i think it

00:25:44.280 should be revamped to be a weekend where you go away on vacation like it's just a mandatory

00:25:50.240 vacation with your friends oh yeah my mother's day to do nothing to do with you being with your

00:25:55.640 children i think everyone should have to go away with their friends for mother i love that i've

00:26:00.160 been practicing something similar i just i i asked john to take the kids and get away from me

00:26:05.400 on mother's day like please take them and go away i would like to go to the spa i want to go to the

00:26:10.180 It's just oranges on the side.

00:26:12.680 But I've been consistently doing, like, Mother's Day is my day.

00:26:15.760 Thank you very much for your love and your presence, and I'm going to go have a day to myself.

00:26:19.200 Ooh, that was a—this is why we need euros, Jack, because they had, like, just massive cases of local olive oil right there.

00:26:26.920 And, see, this is probably the olive oil that my dad bought when he bought all that olive oil and thought he was going to sell it.

00:26:32.040 And spent my mother's entire life savings on Sicilian olive oil that he couldn't sell in America.

00:26:36.820 Okay.

00:26:38.940 You bought

00:26:39.500 Gravity Loft.

00:26:41.360 Do you remember when he wanted me to

00:26:42.520 be like a salesperson?

00:26:44.720 Do you remember that?

00:26:45.160 Yeah.

00:26:46.500 I think I just had Marina.

00:26:48.280 You just had Marina.

00:26:49.040 He's like, you'll sell my olive oil for me.

00:26:50.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:50.900 Go to the restaurants.

00:26:51.980 Go to restaurants around New Hope

00:26:53.720 and sell my olive oil.

00:26:54.840 Yeah, we're in Philly still at the moment.

00:26:57.320 Time for a quick break.

00:26:58.380 Be right back.

00:27:06.820 okay so we nearly died because we were cut off by another driver here but now we're going to

00:27:14.720 talk about jackie's career pause which has been so good for her and what she's doing next

00:27:20.500 okay so i'm currently taking a career little sabbatical that's what i'll call it i was an

00:27:32.520 attorney a while ago. And then I ended up working at law schools, um, being counselor. And then

00:27:38.280 just recently was at my kid's school in a counseling position and I'm in my early forties.

00:27:43.880 And it basically occurred to me that my kids are getting older. I have bandwidth to be doing

00:27:51.240 something that I am passionate about. The job I was in, I really enjoyed and I, and I loved my

00:27:58.140 co-workers but i wanted to pivot i felt i felt like it was a really good opportunity and time

00:28:05.440 for me in my life to pivot so that i could dig into something else okay so i'm in my early 40s

00:28:10.760 i'm thinking if i jump into something else and focus within 10 years i'll be in my early 50s

00:28:20.220 still very young please god i'll have a lot of life left um botox yes ma'am wants a botox

00:28:27.520 gotta gotta keep it keep it i don't know what's upkeep you know when i was doing original here

00:28:33.020 give me the mic when i was doing original under the influence with iheart botox was one of our

00:28:36.560 sponsors they should definitely be a sponsor of under the influence because i i love them i use

00:28:42.180 the audience yes i mean i'm not saying anyone should or have to but i mean i did just watch

00:28:48.000 that meg ryan um david dukovny romantic comedy on the plane and it's terrible yeah but that's also

00:28:53.120 filler that's too much filler that's filler because her face she her face looks like waxy

00:28:57.680 and puffy um and take it for me because i am the daughter of a dermatologist i do i i know skin

00:29:03.260 things uh botox all the way because you look like you you look like you just and and you know

00:29:08.840 hopefully just less less lined um i think filler i think fillers are addicting yeah i'm fear i'm

00:29:15.240 actually afraid to do fillers because i've i did them i did i did some fillers yeah um i did so

00:29:21.700 when i was working at the trashy magazines uh you were 30 why did you need filler when you

00:29:28.460 you were in your 30s i was doing jesus christ i was doing a story oh my god we nearly just died

00:29:35.360 we are okay we're okay i was doing a story with kim kardashian's dermatologist like the guy who

00:29:41.220 gave her the vampire facial and he was doing a bunch of stuff for free and in la they tell you

00:29:47.660 you need everything if you're like 19 years old so he was like you need this and this and this

00:29:53.320 i was like all right do it and i look good but everyone looks good when they're 25 but i also

00:30:00.700 i mean i also looked good without them so yeah and i haven't done yeah i haven't done fillers

00:30:05.160 i have i've never done fillers um i love botox that is my jam botox is my jam i haven't had i

00:30:12.140 haven't had it in a really long time i got it right after the baby was born um and you look

00:30:17.140 fabulous you don't need it okay in two and a half miles you're making a right okay you require you

00:30:22.420 require a lot of upkeep i do indeed um i mean i mean you have eyelashes i do eyelashes i do lash

00:30:28.480 extensions um i have gray hair now so i i mean i need to go to the salon that's beautiful um i do

00:30:37.000 not know um but i also don't like i don't i want to grow old gracefully but i also want to look like

00:30:43.660 me and i want to like how i look so i have no problem whatsoever with getting my lashes done

00:30:47.420 with the botox um with the hair i mean and that's and that's and that goes back by the way that goes

00:30:53.740 back to what i was saying about the career stuff right like i want to be um financially independent

00:30:58.920 um i am very happily married i love my husband so much we've been married almost 20 years

00:31:04.320 god for god forbid something happens to him um i told a story about how rob thomas was at your

00:31:10.040 wedding you you can tell us don't worry about okay so rob thomas was at jackie's wedding

00:31:14.520 of of matchbox 20 fame and um jackie was 25 years old and everyone was so excited that rob thomas

00:31:23.560 was at this wedding that they were all just paying attention to rob thomas he kind of stole my thunder 0.87

00:31:28.280 at my fucking wedding well that's exactly what you said you were like you came up to me and you're 0.97

00:31:31.540 like rob thomas is stealing my wedding thunder i'm like why is everyone talking about this i want 0.99

00:31:36.460 and talking about this like i'm the bride rob thomas is stealing my wedding thunder and i was

00:31:41.980 like i'll make rob thomas leave your wedding and i did not he did like i think he realized that he

00:31:46.500 was because at the time joe was a gossip columnist so she did have the power to scare celebrities

00:31:51.640 away i did i did but no uh he left on his own but yeah rob thomas i met p diddy slash puff daddy

00:31:57.700 slash whatever he is now at um at at the alicia keys concert you invited me to at

00:32:05.220 uh shoot what was the name of that restaurant slash venue uh downtown chipiani chipiani yes

00:32:14.640 okay in the half under a mile you are making a right um he diddy i think he diddy again does he

00:32:22.340 okay i think he's been canceled i think he has been as well i can't i can't keep track

00:32:29.360 i don't yeah head is happily in the sand yeah don't know don't know don't care don't know

00:32:35.220 um oh we're we're we're cruising into town we're oh look at the ocean cruising into town right at

00:32:42.360 sunset over the sea over the sea this is beautiful and we're getting there just as town is opening

00:32:49.540 back up again because it's 1746 that means it's 546 um and so yeah so we're gonna see the sunset

00:32:56.740 the town is gonna open back up and then we have some more pasta and cannoli for dinner pasta

00:33:01.460 cannoli and wine the key to my survival here is to my thriving here is not thinking about what time

00:33:07.420 it is back in nashville because i think it's like 10 in the morning think about it i you know what

00:33:14.420 i really like i really like waking up and not getting emails or anything for a while uh that's

00:33:20.940 nice yes um it's gonna be exiting oh wait was i supposed to exit we're supposed to exit i'm so

00:33:28.220 sorry you weren't paying attention no well i didn't think it was gonna be so okay so we're

00:33:33.780 fine we need to stop we're fine we're getting up in point four point four trying to stop the

00:33:39.020 podcast okay point four we i this was fun signing off this was fun look at that castle

00:33:44.700 we see that castle before no that's a different castle

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Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - March 06, 2024

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